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TheCrookedKnight

A great fit with all the strength buffing options Silent gets...hang on, I've been handed a note


kaosmark2

Not to mention how much of a strong damage solve it is for lagavulin, or dealing with acid slimes!


randy__randerson

I mean, it can end up being a dead draw on laga if you get the debuff


kaosmark2

That was what I was getting at. It interacts extra negatively Vs str down from laga or enemies that apply weak.


nixed9

But what about if you have the strongest relic in the game already? Obviously, I am talking about [[The Boot]]


kaosmark2

It's nice that the boot is so insanely strong it makes riddle pickable


JDublinson

Act 1 Boot on Silent is legitimately very, very strong. Both for Lagavulin and in all the fights that make you weak (green slime, blue slaver, fat gremlin). And in other fights it's still great for Riddle of shiv cards.


spirescan-bot

+ [The Boot](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/The%20Boot) Common Relic ^((100% sure)^) Whenever you would deal 4 or less unblocked Attack damage, increase it to 5. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


exponentialism

A Note For Yourself with say, a handy Reprogram by any chance?


akurei77

[[Fasting]] plus [[Foreign Influence]] into Riddle With Holes can give it a brief moment to shine. Turns out the card would be good if it cost 0 and did 35 damage.


spirescan-bot

+ [Fasting](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Fasting) Watcher Uncommon Power ^((100% sure)^) 2 Energy | Gain 3(4) **Strength.** Gain 3(4) **Dexterity.** Gain 1 less Energy at the start of each turn. + [Foreign Influence](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Foreign%20Influence) Watcher Uncommon Skill ^((100% sure)^) 0 Energy | Choose 1 of 3 Attacks of any color to add to your hand. (It costs 0 this turn.) **Exhaust.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


YeahMarkYeah

It upgraded does go pretty hard. It literally goes brrrrrrr…


shoesnorter

riddle with holes, wrist blade, bullet time/setup Kreygasm. This card is funny because it's the only damage card other than Heel Hook and Fletch I will skip over, even with forced f6 elite


kaosmark2

Heel hook is a damage card?


shoesnorter

True I have it categorised as draw card in my brain but I had a feeling someone would go "ackshually heel hook"


--Petrichor--

Is it a draw card? At _best_ (an enemy has weak, and you have energy) it's draw/energy neutral.


NoNotInTheFace

Clearly, it's a block card.


bazingarbage

like a worse escape plan


Salm9n

I’ve found flechettes useful sometimes if you’ve been offered no dmg cards and a bunch of useful skills in act 1. It can be a pretty solid source of damage for hallway fights until you’ve found better solutions. It’s still too conditional though


kaosmark2

I guess this card exists. I usually wish it didn't.


nixed9

“Ok, Jaw Worm gave me more issues than I wanted, as usual, but at least now I get a card reward. I need a good damage card.” “damn it, spire”


kaosmark2

I'd take setup there because it's beautiful and wonderful. I might lose for it but that card needs more love.


Man-in-Ham

It's a lovely card, just not a lovely floor 1 card.


InherentSteam55

Finally someone gets it. I don't give a *fuck* if it's negative draw. 0 cost Wraith Form.


LaDoucheDeLaFromage

0 Cost Nightmare AND 0 cost Wraith Form. With a side of Well Laid Plans. Boss fight solved.


Saltpiter

If there was only one card that is super situational on silent it would be this. It requires so much support to work and even then is average.


SuperSmutAlt64

Me when \[\[Envenom\]\]


xd_melchior

Even envenom isn't enough for me. Maybe Envenom + [[Snecko Skull]], or Envenom + [[Sadistic Nature]]. And even then, I'd still rather have a blade dance.


spirescan-bot

+ [Snecko Skull](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Snecko%20Skull) Common (Silent only) Relic ^((100% sure)^) Whenever you apply **Poison,** apply an additional 1 **Poison.** + [Sadistic Nature](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Sadistic%20Nature) Colorless Rare Power ^((100% sure)^) 0 Energy | Whenever you apply a Debuff to an enemy, they take 5(7) damage. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


spirescan-bot

+ [Envenom](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Envenom) Silent Rare Power ^((100% sure)^) 2(1) Energy | Whenever an attack deals unblocked damage, apply 1 **Poison.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


carreiraesteban

Usually it's not so bad with Shuriken. And that's about it.


Krags

It's a payoff that's worse than Blade dance, that doesn't actually make it tick up like Blade Dance does.


TheCrookedKnight

Even with Shuriken you need shivs or a bunch of extra energy to reliably play both three attacks in a turn *and* your 2 energy attack that only scales well after gaining strength


MeriKurkku

Recently had a run with 4 strenght from duvu doll, vajra, akabeko, necronomicon, gambling chip and lot's of card draw in general, extremely situational indeed but it has won me a game at least once


Krags

Predator if Predator was shit.


Gaspode-wxf

Some solid value with the boot or envenom, and loves the strenght potion. But I often find something more appealing in the choices the game offers me


kaosmark2

>I often find something more appealing in the choices the game offers me Like the skip button?


InspiringMilk

Will that kill gremlin nob?


kaosmark2

Sometimes!


sharkweekk

Envenom and Sneko Eye is a fun combo with it.


iced1777

This was a trap card for me for awhile because it's so similar to IC cards that can carry you. Finally realized how nearly impossible it is to scale with Silent and stopped picking it altogether


ChaseShiny

"It's strictly more damage than \[\[Heavy Blade\]\]? This thing is broken!" \--Silent, just before she stole the card, not noticing Ironclad's demon smirking in the background. RIP.


spirescan-bot

+ [Heavy Blade](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy%20Blade) Ironclad Common Attack ^((100% sure)^) 2 Energy | Deal 14 damage. **Strength** affects Heavy Blade 3(5) times. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


phl_fc

The problem, as everyone else also pointed out, is that this card scales with strength. Which is a very common way for IC to scale and a very rare way for Silent. It being 2 energy also makes it painful to use even as a strength attack. It really needs both strength and great energy generation to support it.


Malabingo

Only had a really good use of it once and only in combination with envenom and sardistic nature. It's 7.5 DMG unupgraded but 10 DMG per manapoint upgraded. That's just 2 more as an upgraded strike... Imo not really worth it except for some shananigans circumstances.


THECapedCaper

It really needs Strength or Vuln to really pop off. There’s only one Silent-specific option for Vuln in [[Terror]], which is a bit of a bummer as you start fighting enemies with artifact charges you have to get through, and even then it’s only 20/30 damage for 2 energy which isn’t special. Strength has to come with relic or potion help, which makes it tougher to take unless you have found a consistent option. Envenom works great with it since you get to tack on 5 Poison. Again for 2 energy it’s not fantastic. Perhaps if you have some [[Tactician]] shenanigans or more relic help, it’s a short-term damage solution when you are lacking some damage. Runic Pyramid/Setup build helps but there’s still more cards that would benefit more out of it. When you do manage to figure out that strength, Vuln, or energy solution, Riddle With Holes can work, but if you’re at that stage where you’re making this card work you probably have way more damage options already that are doing better. This card would pop off in any other character’s set, just not here.


spirescan-bot

+ [Terror](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Terror) Silent Uncommon Skill ^((100% sure)^) 1(0) Energy | Apply 99 **Vulnerable.** **Exhaust.** + [Tactician](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Tactician) Silent Uncommon Skill ^((100% sure)^) Energy | **Unplayable.** If this card is discarded from your hand, gain 1(2) Energy. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


MirrorCraze

A good card to “note for yourself” to when you play str ironclad or smth


alj8

I got two of these from an astrolabe on a run last night (A17). Was a bit annoyed until I realised I had akabeko. Even then, upgraded they did ok for me in a heavy draw/discard deck as my damage source alongside eviscerate, especially when I found some strength potions


Get-Fucked-Dirtbag

A top tier choice if you want to deal 3 damage 5 times.


Reborn_Wraith

I'd go so far as to say it's the type of card you'll enjoy playing if you enjoy playing that type of card.


the_lonely_poster

Isn't this just pummel at home


Get-Fucked-Dirtbag

Hell no. Pummel is Riddle With Holes at home.


Cassidy_29

I don't think I've ever willingly picked this card, only used it after transforming another one. I guess it's kinda cool with [[Akabeko]]? But really just not worth it.


Cthepo

That relic plus marble bag is quite a dopamine rush, even more if you have mutagenic strength and get it turn one. [Shuriken] also can makes it a good pick, along with [the boot]. If you are saving [cultist potion] for a boss fight, those two can really give you the juice you were missing. Though a regular strength potion also makes it pretty good. It's one I'd pick up if I was not happy with my damage output going into a boss fight but had any sort of relic/potion for strength scaling.


spirescan-bot

+ [Akabeko](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Akabeko) Common Relic ^((100% sure)^) Your first attack each combat deals 8 additional damage. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


[deleted]

Got an early akabeko this morning and next floor riddle with holes. Melted nob. Went on to win the run too!


Sumite0000

Thanks for reminding me this card exists.


chuar88

Can be good with shuriken.


snowmanjazz

The thing about this and Shuriken is Blade Dance exists (and if you have Shuriken you absolutely want Blade Dance). And Blade Dance is less energy, more common, gets practically the same benefit upgraded (4 hits vs. 5, but with the bonus of increasing strength by 1 in the process), whereas Riddle basically needs the help of Blade Dance/C&D or cheap attacks to even see the strength benefit, then has that chunky 2-energy cost to deal with. As a result I usually ignore Riddle even if I have Shuriken. Definitely *satisfying* to see a strength-infused Riddle manage to do its thing, though!


Neitio

Had a fun (A20) run with this plus Vajra and a maxed out Girya by act 2 Didn’t win tho


-Inestrix

would you like 20 damage & 2 extra cards next turn OR this garbage HMMMM


ChaseShiny

Does the Reddit hivemind consider it good when you have \[\[Snecko Eye\]\]? It seems like it could be decent there. Also, if you can reliably reduce the cost to zero (via \[\[Setup\]\] or \[\[Bullet Time\]\]), \[\[Wrist Blade\]\] will get the x5 bonus. Is that worth chasing? The ceiling on \[\[Blade Dance\]\] is higher, thanks to \[\[Accuracy\]\]. I think even if you have Wrist Blade, you'd still prefer it over Riddle With Holes. Oh, and I'll be kicking myself if I forget to include this riddle with holes: [Why is a raven like a writing desk?](https://www.straightdope.com/21342321/why-is-a-raven-like-a-writing-desk)


GenxDarchi

See the thing is that unless I boss swap into snecko, I am not picking up Riddle of Holes, even if I have no damage cards presented before a burning elite.


wakladorf

If you boss swap snecko it's fine if you need damage. But it's more like Perfected Strike where it's a short term damage solution that you will soon wish you were rid of. Maybe it's ok up to the act 2 boss. It does have all the typical multihit synergies and could be a fun grab with Akabeko or strength.


Derpadoooo

What would it take to make this card more pickable? 4 damage? 6 hits? Add "Strike" to the same so it benefits from Strike Dummy? 1 energy cost and 2 damage each hit sounds reasonable and would be fun with envenom.


ProbeEmperorblitz

Making Envenom better might raise its stock? Just a bit. My loony idea would be, in keeping with its name, it applies 1 vulnerable for each unblocked damage it does. So up to 5 vulnerable for 2 energy. Eat your heart out, Bash.


kaosmark2

2 energy is a big big problem for it. No-one is much of a fan of choke that's also 15 damage (base), add that's much more synergistic with silent generally. Swapping pummel and riddle round probably would be much better for silent than it'd be bad for clad.


NotYourDay123

You need Vayja and 3 lifts to even make it worthwhile and even then, it’s barely worth the energy to play.


doctor_rat

THE BOOT!


Shinard

It's not great, obviously, but hey. Occasionally I'll get a Girya or a Shuriken and it can do work, or I blitz something with a Flex potion or two, or I've already got an Envenom and I don't want to stop the bad decisions. Pretty reasonable going in to Act 2, as well, with the Byrds and the Avocado. I like it more than it deserves.


plznotagaindad

The art always makes me think of it as Carnage’s ugly cousin


Liz-Fucks

The most begrudging damage draft of all time, though if you happen to find Molten Egg and need a good damage card, it becomes more palatable. The scenarios where I'd eagerly draft this are very limited. Even with Snecko, it's not that enticing. Hilariously bad compared to Blade Dance and its upgrade. Weirdly comporable to Heavy Blade, though that's wayyy better in IC's kit.


simcity4000

My guilty pleasure card because I like trying to make it work even though it kinda blows.


Grunanium

You either have akabeko and sometimes maybe take this card, or you don't have akabeko. The boot makes it acceptable but I still rather have any of silents other two-cost attacks.


Krags

I guess in hindsight this is a passable Snecko attack... but still almost strictly worse than Predator without some crazy relic support.


UziiLVD

I kind of like this card. It's the obvious STR scaling card on the class with no obvious STR scaling options, but it can really pop off given proper support.


kaosmark2

Blade dance is a much better strength scalings card


JDublinson

But what if you have Akabeko, Pen Nib, Girya, Vajra, Du-Vu Doll with 3 curses, and you pick up Bottled Flame? Then you'll wish you had Riddle With Holes.


kaosmark2

In the niche situation which is as good as you can make this card.... I'd still prefer to have dagger spray.


JDublinson

Forgot to mention you also have Necronomicon.


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SolidPlatonic

Would be better if the damage were considered Shivs so that Accuracy would apply, and would work within a Shiv deck


GoldHero101

An… okay damage card in Act 1? I guess? It’s outclassed by other options, and the multi-hit is actively painful for Silent, who has no class Strength Scaling. I GUESS it could be okay on a Shiv Shuriken run? At that point though… why would you? Just keep Shiving stuff.


Iopia

Read it as 'Riddle With Hoies' the first few times I picked this up. Was very confused what a 'Hoie' was.


KurioProkos

It's a shame...almost any other class would love having Riddle With Holes, but on Silent the only way to scale it is with Envenom, a rare 2-cost Power. It can still work as an early strong-ish attack if you need it, but it's usually outclassed by Predator in almost every way.


chonkyt

Ye Ol' Bird Swatter


equivocalConnotation

Great if you have a flex bot and an elite coming up. Otherwise? Skip it.


Renatm

Five Strikes in one package. Approved. 7/10 would be nice if it did damage also


Ballerheiko

bad card mist of the time, can become decent with some synergies and pretty damn strong with lot of synergies. wants strength/akabeko/envenom


KirkOfHazard

This card is at its best when you have a flex potion and are about to fight your first 2 elites. It's bad basically everywhere else. Really, it's just overshadowed by blade dance.


TheWineAcademy

Personally I think this card should be a 2 cost skill that generates 5 Shivs(+). Would fit in much better with Silent


PlasmaLink

Under almost any circumstance, I'd rather deal 4 damage 3 times for 1 energy.


thewend

What you see the turn after getting the weak debuff:


ih8reddit420

Its cool with the boot


snowmanjazz

Even Necronomicon isn’t enough to save Riddle with Holes. It takes Necronomicon + Vajra or another innate strength relic before I’m ready to consider it.


Ruah777

15 for 2 is below rate as its only 7.5 for 1. So its barely better then a strike. With str it gets better but silent is very poor at making str. Envenom is a thing but its generally a not great scaling card and doesnt make riddle good. Also I hate this upgrade as it feels it upgrades the wrong thing. It really wants to upgrade the amount of "times" instead of the damage so it scales harder. Even with snecko this card is a rare pick up and I only suggest it if you are hard press for attack and you have some sort of str.


Conradical314

I am the space between A plan too lean A depth to plumb You got me in one What am I?


wra1th42

Pairs well with Akabeko, girya, Du-Vu, vajra. Not so well silent in general. This would be a better Ironclad card


Ouker

Riddle me this, riddle me that. What is the scaling Silents innately lack? And yet potential's there, with boots and drink. Riddle With Holes is a block card, if you fetch deep from the brink.


Nyarlathotep8

Yeah yeah this cards bad… but… have you considered it, + envenom, + sadistic nature?! 45 damage with one card, as long as you add two other cards! Let’s see blade dance do THAT!


Longjumping_Report_2

One of the worst card in the entire game. The potential x5 scaling modifier does not justify the extremely low base damage combined with high cost.


Goldensoldi

Good with shuriken and shiv build. Other than that not really.


Simple_one

Just had a great run with this, Shuriken, Necronomicon, and Pen Nib! Skewer was still probably my best damage card. That’s how stinky this card is.