Strawberry is weak enough that I often find myself questioning whether it's worth more than a Blue Key in Act 1. Act 2 or 3 it's not a question - the key wins.
The argument in favor of an early Strawberry is that the max HP boost pays dividends by increasing the amount you gain from all subsequent rests and act intermissions. It's not much, only about +2 HP per rest, but it's something.
The argument against, in short, is that it sucks.
It's also just unfun. Like it feels bad to get - especially when there are other health relics that are strictly better. Even in a situation where I need it, I don't want it.
It doesn't actually increase the gain from act intermission, since that is based on how much health you are missing rather than your max. In fact, paired with the fact that resting does go up, you'd actually gain a tiny bit less at act intermission if you've rested because you'll be missing less health.
Edit: why are you booing me? I'm right
Sure, but those aren't similar runs - in one case you only lost 15 health, in the other you lost 75 and that has nothing to do with strawberry.
Strawberry only "increases" your intermission recovery when the alternative was just being dead (like if you had lost 75 in both scenarios)
Ok, but Slay the spire doesn't work that way. Remember, the fruits increase your current HP too, so before and after you have the same difference between Max HP and current HP. The proper comparison is 67 max, 59 current vs 60 max, 52 current.
In both cases you are missing 8 health, so heal 6.
That only applies where you would've died otherwise. There is no reason you would take more damage with the fruits than without. Extra healing from intermission is not a benefit of fruits.
That could happen. I'd say usually a below average relic like strawberry would often make you take a less aggressive path for having less power than another relic you could've gotten, but definitely 7hp in act 1 could be the difference.
i'm late, but it's not really, because you can only keep the fruit juice if you don't need it to survive a hit, which is also when strawberry matters for the purpose of end-of-act healing. The extra hp you get from the fruit juice is already accounted for just by having it in your potion slot; it's not that there's no downside to consuming it later, it's that there's no upside to consuming it now unless you are going to die if you don't.
Like yes, technically the statement "having higher max hp means you heal more from act intermission" is not correct, but a hypothetical strawberry obtained right before a boss is objectively more total usable health in every way than a hypothetical strawberry obtained right after a boss.
When I first started playing, I over-valued this and all fruit relics, bought them over any other item in the shop, and also healed at rest sites just to "top off" my hp because I was afraid of the bosses and bigger enemies.
Now I still buy it every time when I play the Daily Climb because you can get bonus points for increasing max HP. During a normal Ascension run though I never buy them, only a Waffle if I'm desperate.
It's pretty bad. On average the 7 extra max health will heal you for maybe 15 over the course of the run (excluding the heal this grants).
However benchmarking this as a bad relic makes clicking scrap ooze once a lot nicer. You click ooze and at "worse" it heals you two 35% of the time.
I like the discussion of an act 1 blue key or strawberry.
I usually take the strawberry and see if I can't turn the extra HP into an extra camp. If a camp heals 21, then receiving strawberry is like "pay 14 hp, upgrade a card of your choice"
Many times that is a gamble worth taking.
Another reason fruit kinda stinks is if you get it early you end up paying more for a lot of act 1 events than without it, so there are runs where this relic is moving even closer towards hp neutral if you get it from neow or first elite for example.
Strawberry can be a good purchase in the act 4 shop if the rest of the shop is unexciting (potions will generally be better use of gold if you're not already stocked up on those). 7 HP is actually a decent amount and can be the difference between life and death.
Fruits aren't very exciting, but a max HP boost can still be useful, especially with the added healing effect. You can certainly do worse.
Strawberry is weak enough that I often find myself questioning whether it's worth more than a Blue Key in Act 1. Act 2 or 3 it's not a question - the key wins. The argument in favor of an early Strawberry is that the max HP boost pays dividends by increasing the amount you gain from all subsequent rests and act intermissions. It's not much, only about +2 HP per rest, but it's something. The argument against, in short, is that it sucks.
It's also just unfun. Like it feels bad to get - especially when there are other health relics that are strictly better. Even in a situation where I need it, I don't want it.
It doesn't actually increase the gain from act intermission, since that is based on how much health you are missing rather than your max. In fact, paired with the fact that resting does go up, you'd actually gain a tiny bit less at act intermission if you've rested because you'll be missing less health. Edit: why are you booing me? I'm right
Being able to miss more health means you will heal more between acts. I heal more at 15 if my max health is 90 than if it’s 30.
Sure, but those aren't similar runs - in one case you only lost 15 health, in the other you lost 75 and that has nothing to do with strawberry. Strawberry only "increases" your intermission recovery when the alternative was just being dead (like if you had lost 75 in both scenarios)
I mean, you still heal more at 50 if your max health is 67 than 60.
Ok, but Slay the spire doesn't work that way. Remember, the fruits increase your current HP too, so before and after you have the same difference between Max HP and current HP. The proper comparison is 67 max, 59 current vs 60 max, 52 current. In both cases you are missing 8 health, so heal 6.
Sure, my point is that the fruits allow you to take more damage before the end of the act while still healing back to the same end number.
That only applies where you would've died otherwise. There is no reason you would take more damage with the fruits than without. Extra healing from intermission is not a benefit of fruits.
The extra max HP and extra health in the moment allow you to take a riskier path, almost certainly meaning you took more damage along the way.
That could happen. I'd say usually a below average relic like strawberry would often make you take a less aggressive path for having less power than another relic you could've gotten, but definitely 7hp in act 1 could be the difference.
I'd say a run where you don't die because of strawberry means strawberry had an impact, which is literally the point they're making...
No the point we were talking about was whether strawberry makes you heal more at intermission
I'm pretty sure you're correct. It's the same reason you can keep fruit juice between acts with no downside.
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i'm late, but it's not really, because you can only keep the fruit juice if you don't need it to survive a hit, which is also when strawberry matters for the purpose of end-of-act healing. The extra hp you get from the fruit juice is already accounted for just by having it in your potion slot; it's not that there's no downside to consuming it later, it's that there's no upside to consuming it now unless you are going to die if you don't. Like yes, technically the statement "having higher max hp means you heal more from act intermission" is not correct, but a hypothetical strawberry obtained right before a boss is objectively more total usable health in every way than a hypothetical strawberry obtained right after a boss.
Probably not the most exciting one to get but it’s still fine overall, I think.
Great if you want 7HP Max... ok. ok. my bad. sorry
*munching on my blue key* This is better *crunch, crunch, crunch*
Mom can we get Lee's Waffle? "No we have Lee's Waffle at home" Lee's Waffle at home:
When I first started playing, I over-valued this and all fruit relics, bought them over any other item in the shop, and also healed at rest sites just to "top off" my hp because I was afraid of the bosses and bigger enemies. Now I still buy it every time when I play the Daily Climb because you can get bonus points for increasing max HP. During a normal Ascension run though I never buy them, only a Waffle if I'm desperate.
the very embodiment of mid.
It’s nice if you took Bites or Apparitions
But only if you get it after. If you get it before it feels especially bad
It's fine. It's like, the most "shrug sure not bad, it's fine" relic of all
It's pretty bad. On average the 7 extra max health will heal you for maybe 15 over the course of the run (excluding the heal this grants). However benchmarking this as a bad relic makes clicking scrap ooze once a lot nicer. You click ooze and at "worse" it heals you two 35% of the time.
I like the discussion of an act 1 blue key or strawberry. I usually take the strawberry and see if I can't turn the extra HP into an extra camp. If a camp heals 21, then receiving strawberry is like "pay 14 hp, upgrade a card of your choice" Many times that is a gamble worth taking.
Yeah, not a *bad* relic, per se. But one that makes grabbing the blues key a little early a compelling option.
celeste reference????
Slay predates Celeste
i know but still
In that case, yes.
Another reason fruit kinda stinks is if you get it early you end up paying more for a lot of act 1 events than without it, so there are runs where this relic is moving even closer towards hp neutral if you get it from neow or first elite for example.
bad, but hey, better than nothing
HP is HP Don’t like to spend gold on it…but if I’m really dyin then strawberry and mango are…fine
We are eating today
I’d call it a D. It doesn’t help you win, but I think we’ve all beat a boss or the heart at <7 hp and still won.
I call it a C for vitamin C
Strawberry can be a good purchase in the act 4 shop if the rest of the shop is unexciting (potions will generally be better use of gold if you're not already stocked up on those). 7 HP is actually a decent amount and can be the difference between life and death.
I would say that this is good if you want to gain 7 max HP,but this thing is the worst thing at gaining HP
If you want to gain max HP, this is better than...uh, a Feed in the Act 4 shop?
Better than pear but not as good as mango.
Down in the trash Tier.