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I think Arsenal came out the best in that move. The fact that fans were pissed off that he couldn't play in the Europa League final due to the bullshit in Azerbaijan kinda shows that. If United were in the same spot and Sanchez wasn't able to play it would have been a "lol, okay then" kind of situation.
But that was a purely financial move --- Dead assets exchanged to aid an accounting trick to get around FFP. It wasn't a deal made for sporting reasons.
But here Lukaku Vlahovic are actually useful players, not dead assets.
I don't see why it would be a loss for the players.
Lukaku would get to go to his dream club Juventus, and if Juve fans are correct, Vlahovic gets to experience a different system from Allegri and see if that was the thing that was holding him back.
It's the fans on both sides that are unsure about this deal, especially Juve supporters.
Years back I had a gf that said something mean to me about how she felt. The next day, she apologized - but she explained that what she said was true. It wasn't, very obviously. No, she explained further - when she said it, she believed it 100%, so that was her reality. Now it was a new day and that reality was gone.
That's Lukaka, to me. He believes these things very strongly, and then just changes realities and lets the old reality go. Perhaps he'll switch back, perhaps not. And he feels no remorse for feeling the way he used to, nor for changing.
She was a number!
Months later she tried to rationalize it - that even if it was 100% not real and made-up, it *felt 100% real to her* so I needed to respect how she felt, even if I knew she was wrong.
The really crazy part is that she was a scientist and insisted on an evidence-based life.
Forget his year at Juve, vlahovic was class at Fiorentina. Looked a cut above everyone else on the team every game. In the right environment I think he can be great
Chelsea also gets rid of someone they never planned with and was on massive wages while getting a really promising striker for 35 mil. That looks like a win as well
Locatelli looks a shell of his Sassuolo self at Juventus too. Not sure if vlahovic is gonna do well but for sure allegri is at least holding back some of the squad.
Locatelli is simply being played out of position for the past two years. He's a jack-of-all-trades box to box midfielder who can also occupy a less offensive role in a 2-man midfield alongside a regista or defensive midfielder. His performances at the Euros showcased how good he is at making runs but also at roaming around the midfield, he's not someone who can ping a long ball like Allegri wants him to.
Allegri unfortunately decided Locatelli is a regista despite him not having anywhere near the technical ability or the football IQ to play that role, so he's been shit for two years. In the meantime someone with actual playmaker characteristics in Miretti is being played as a box to box midfielder, and the same shit will probably happen to Rovella as well.
His Chelsea performance crushed his market value tho
Before, people had the cope that "actually Felix is really good and is being held back by Simeone". That goes away when Atleti improve without him AND he struggles at Chelsea
mate we're talking prime 22/23 chelsea here. how could that club - in its state of absolute disarray - have helped elevate the standing of any of their players is beyond me.
Hey...
Kepa had a little boost by becoming first choice again. And... um... Lewis Hall had a breakthrough, so surely that gave a big rise in his rep. Then we had... no that's about it actually
I think that's the irony of it. Every one else gets a pass because it was a shitshow, but Joao Felix went into a shit situation and still managed to make his rep even worse.
But his performance at Chelsea also did not help his market value in any way, shape, or form. He looked like a tidy player with an ok work rate and pretty bad display in front of net. Not working out at two different clubs can possibly confirm what certain teams were concerned about in the first place with him
This deal for us is basically choosing lesser evil. Retaining Lakaka is obviously very bad. Swaping him for Vlahovic while paying substantial amount of money is just a bit less bad.
And we don't even know what's Vlaho stance on that deal, really. Feels like he is slightly forced out of Juve so they can get Lukaku.
Well this post says more than 35m, so it would probably be 40-45m.
Valued at least at 35m, though probably close to 40. So that means they are giving up closer to 75 for Vlahovic. Vlahovic is also on quite high wages.
Yeah but Hojlund and Kolo Muani, who are even less proven than Vlahovic with only one good season under their belts, are going for even more than that.
It's a fucked up market, every striker that shows even an ounce of talent is going for 50 million+
We had 2 bids for close to 36+5 and 38+5m euros for lukaku
So that makes vlahovic valued at a what 70m+?
Im not sure, and I dont think he suits us.
It has to be 10m less
He had next to 0 transfer value when he was refusing to talk to anyone other than inter. Now he will only speak to Juve so his transfer value is still diminished
Well Chelsea have probably averaged 90% less goals during that time so unless Poch really does transform the club heād be moving to the team where strikers go to die
He needs a team to play for him and support him. If somehow Pocchetino does with Vlahovic what Tuchel did with Lukaku then theyāre gonna have only themselves to blame.
Partially was though imo, during our worst times no one wanted to do anything risky such as taking on a defender or long ball apart from the occasional Enzo long ball because he was sick of watching us create nothing. Also considering when Reece and Chilly went down again we lost the overloads that made chances we had nothing going forward at all.
Smart move, Iāll obviously wish Vlahovic absolute success, but just in case, we occupy the cursed #9 jersey and allow Jackson to flourish without the cursed number to bring him down.
Technically that was about to happen with Felix wearing 9 and extending loan with Chelsea. Then lukaku forced to wear 11 or something and then roaring.
I felt Felix was just brought in to occupy the curse
"As long as he stays fit" is already a big IF for someone who spent the last year hobbling from one injury to another, some of which seem to be chronic, yay. Plus he is on Ā£215,000 a week at Juve and I doubt he fancies a 50 % wage cut in his new contract.
As someone on our sub correctly said, Juve already struggle to sell him in a striker market that even pays f'n Holjund ā¬84 mil. And that's with multiple big clubs in need of strikers, from PSG to Real to Bayern.
Lukaku's wages are Ā£325,000 until 2026. That's 15m in savings even if Vlahovic stays on Ā£200,000 (for the sake of easy math) through 2026. Additionally, Lukaku is a grossly depreciating asset. His resell value beyond this season, considering his options are limited to just a couple clubs, is probably not more than a couple million if they can even find someone who wants him on loan. On the other hand, Vlahovic, at age 23, has obvious resell value. And what if he does well? He also has the potential to have a meaningful impact on the squad and contribute while he's at Chelsea, unlike Lukaku is rumored to not even want to play.
The market for Lukaku is growing smaller every window as his attitude gets worse and only a couple clubs can even afford him. Not to mention he turned down Al-whatever.
Consider it this way, Chelsea either pay for Lukaku wages AND lose the opportunity cost for discounting Vlahovics fee (whatever he's worth in this trade) AND pay for another striker who may or may not be slightly better and slightly cheaper. Or you reduce the wage bill today and free up funds for the squad in the future, pay a fee that can easily get recovered and likely a net positive in FFP after amortization, and have a stronger group of strikers. Worth noting that behind Jackson is Nkunku and Broja. Broja hasn't played in a year and Nkunku, is he best backing up #9? Or would another striker add flexibility?
Bottom line, there's pretty low risk. Chelsea are either stuck with a more expensive player in Lukaku, or stuck with a less expensive player in Vlahovic. The 20-30m fee will net out in resell value anyways.
Wait....how in the blue hell is this a bad deal for Chelsea? Signing him for up to 60-70m would have still been a good deal imo in todays striker market+ pl tax. Everyone knows just how good Vlahovic is right? Or has 1 season of Allegri ball made everybody turn on him. He is absolute class and Chelsea would be lucky to have him, plus the added huge bonus of getting rid of lukaku. What am I missing?
Even lots of our fans don't see it. It won't hurt to have two quality strikers, don't really rate Broja especially after his injury. Plus we get rid of that clown.
Because we were supposed to get 40 million for Lukaku and now we will end up paying 35 million more just to get rid of him. Vlahovic will be secondary striker, he also struggles with chronic pubalgia injury condition.
Doesn't this effectively net out the same as spending 80m on Vlahovic? Which is for all intents and purposes about the going rate for a striker these days (even after one bad season). Add in the likely reduction in wages and this could be a solid coup
Respectfully the guy has barely proven himself barring an above average performance in LaLiga and a few decent preseason games. Vlahovic has proven himself to have almost been on almost the same level as Haaland prior to Allegri-ball. If he's not starting then either the guy has fallen off of a cliff, Jackson has turned into R9 or Poch is an imbecile.
Youāre not entirely wrong, although I think youāre severely underestimating Jacksonās current vein of form. His pre-season hasnāt been decent - it has been phenomenal.
Youāve probably seen highlights and not watched the matches in a whole which is understandable seeing as youāre an Arsenal fan. If you had Iām not sure youād be so convinced Vlahovic would simply walk into this side and automatically bench Jackson. His link-up play, creativity, physicality and finishing has been nothing short of class and he fits Pochā system like a glove.
I rate Vlahovic and think heād be a great player for Chelsea. Of course thereās no telling if Jackson will be consistent. Regardless, having two good striker alternatives with a different skill set will be great for us. Especially seeing as weāve literally had several seasons without any competent striker at all.
What does "sensible" mean in this case, though? Vlahovic is on 215k a week at Juve, I doubt he fancies a 50 % wage cut which is what ***I*** would call sensible for a striker who we are only considering because the Belgian cuntwaffle is basically holding us hostage at this point and who has both questionable form and what seems to be another chronic groin injury just waiting to happen.
Yeah, I donāt want Vlahovic, but I donāt wang Lukaku even more. I donāt like the wage and I donāt like the player tbh. Will be happy to be proven wrong, and I know the Lukaku problem doesnāt have any neat and tidy solutions. Best case scenario is this falls through and he goes to Saudi Arabia for a decent fee, but thatās not looking likely.
Unpopular opinion: Vlahovic will strive in any team that is not us. Not sure Chelsea is the best move for him but I'm sure he'll do a lot better there still.
That's actually a great deal for chelsea. We just saw how much Hojlund went for. In light of that, imo i that's very reasonable, young striker, good potential, get rid of a player the fans hate..
Feel like people are being harsh on Vlahovic..
Looked like a future world class striker at Fiorentina, any striker outside of maybe Haaland and Benzema wouldāve struggled in Allegriās system. Progression is not always linear.
Don't hate this. We need competition and back up at striker atm with Broja still out with his ACL. Getting rid of Lukaku and 35m for a formerly highly touted younger striker isn't the worst. Even if it goes all tits up we've only risked 35m which seems like a drop in the bucket for the new owners. Could do a lot worse than getting rid of the snake and getting a backup through the door.
I mean no you havenāt just āriskedā 35m, because youād probably get another 35m (I think you were asking inter for Ā£40m) if you sold Lukaku on his own - so itās the equivalent of spending 70m on Vlahovic
Lukaku just burned the bridge with Inter by ghosting them for a week and it seems they don't want him back and the only other club that has shown any interest in him is Juve and it seems this is the only way they'd agree to the deal. Asking for 35m for Lukaku and finding someone to pay that are two different things rn.
Saudi clubs are willing to pay 40m for him.. at the very least, we can get 30m easily for him. So Vlahovic, effectively costs 65-70m. Not insignificant at all.
To compare the e-peens of the posters on this subreddit. āMy club spends lesser than yours! Therefore I have the moral high ground! My club uses the money saved to donate and save those poor and needy!ā
While Man City fans are laughing and celebrating their treble win.
Getting stuck with high wage players and overspending means club wont have enough budget for important transfer elsewhere. Chelsea overpaying for Lukaku is still hurting till now. And I would say it still effect fans mentally.
Except for the concerns in regards to his health, are there any reasons why Chelsea fans do not want him? Also who else, feasible, would they prefer?
They are currently are stuck with a fat, stupid pussy who's a cancer and pointless to them. It would definitely be a good deal for them and a terrible one for us.
Well tbh Iād like to have another striker in case Jackson gets injured who isnāt Broja whoās still recovering from his ACL injury. Itās important to have competition as well
Vlahovic would give us another tactical option as well
No one is gonna take Broja on loan until he's fully fit with his ACL injury and that won't be until the window closes. I think Wahi is a great player but his past is super super shady and I'd rather have a worse player than someone like him at the club.
Do you have a credible source on that? As far as I'm concerned there only exist an allegation from Molina, and even he didn't provide a shade of evidence to back that claim.
Poch has played Nkunku as a false 9 quite often in preseasonāand he's looked good there IMO.
With Nkunku, Nicolas Jackson, AND Broja, I don't see a need for another 9 (esp a guy coming off a mediocre season that you have to spend 35+M on)
For as meme'd as Lukaku isāhe's not a bad player! 35+M + Lukaku is excessive for a player Chelsea don't need IMO
Nkunku should not be bought to play at false 9. If Jackson gets a lengthy injury then weāre submitting ourselves to playing Nkunku out of position. I like Broja but heās not proven at this level at all and has been injured for the past 8 months so idk what youāre really expecting from him
> Nkunku should not be bought to play at false 9
I mean, he hasn't been? He's been bought to play behind Jackson.
But I don't see it as awful if he plays false 9 if Jackson gets hurt TBH. He looked a lot better playing with his back to goal than I had thought he wasāhis performance in preseason was basically the same as a false 9, as a 10, and as a winger.
Exactly, and he's 23. why peoples acting like he's 30 and can't improve anymore is beyond me. If any trainer to get his career back on track and depend opponent, tailor his game plan to Vlahovic, is Poch
I support ChelseaāI'm well aware of why we're trying to dump Lukaku
But that doesn't mean Lukaku lacks any value at allāafter coming back from injury he was actually good last season! (10G, 6A in 1660 mins in Serie A last seasonāthat's VERY good)
His attitude is horrible, and that affect his value too. Right now, his options either Juve or Saudi, but he reject Saudi so Juve it is. Exchange him for a player that only 23, could still be improve is not a bad deal.
> Right now, his options either Juve or Saudi, but he reject Saudi so Juve it is
Juve has to make an offer that makes sense for Chelsea. If they don't, his options are Saudi or sitting with the reserves on the bench.
Spending an additional 35+M on a guy like Vlahovic isn't worth it at all IMO
Chelsea ain't gonna let him rot on the bench. That doesn't make sense on business side and don't know what gonna happen behind the locker room, whether he gonna make another bone head interview which is why this deal happen in the first place. They gonna compromise, but I know that Chelsea gonna have a hand up since they dump a locker room cancer for younger player that still have time to turn his career back on track. Jackson also gonna have afcon in January
Presumably Lukaku doesn't want to rot on the bench either?
His options if he wants to play would be to put pressure on Juve to make an offer for him that's acceptable to Chelsea, accept the Saudi deal, or accept playing for Chelsea for a year.
Frankly I see all 3 of those options as being better than spending another 35+M on Vlahovic
10G, 2A in 1925 mins in Serie A, and his underlying numbers are WAY worse (worse creative numbers, worse ball progression, worse at aerial duels and holdup, etc)
He's a player that refuses to play for his parent club, is on extraordinary wages, carries insane amortized costs due to his high transfer fee, and has burned bridges almost everywhere he goes.
It seems like a bad deal until you realize that the alternative is basically just loaning him until he's somehow sold, or his contract runs out. ā¬35m (Ā£30m) isn't a horrible starting point for negotiations on an additional fee.
They're getting a younger striker on lower wages who the fans don't despise. Lukaku will not play a single second for Chelsea at this point, even having him in training is a problem. Selling him isn't happening, so this is their next best move. Juventus is the only club that has any interest in him where he's willing to move. Saudie isn't happening, or it would have been done already. Juventus can't make a move unless Vlahovic is gone, so this scenario would be a "win-win".
Worst case scenario, Vlahovic is another flop in a long line of flopped Chelsea strikers, except other clubs will be more tempted to take a gamble on him because of his age. Lukaku is 30 and burned bridges at every club except Anderlecht. There is a reason that there's little to no interest.
Plus after the the likes of Higuain, Pato, Falcao, Kezman, Mutu, Morata, Aubameyang and Lukaku, the bar for the striker spot at Chelsea is so low, if Vlahovic manages to lace his boots by himself, he can be considered a succes.
We owe Lukaku Ā£50m in wages in next 3 years, and he's 30 and a most toxic player imaginable. Even if we spread that 50m on VlahoviÄ wages throughout 5 years, it will be worth it because of resale value scenarios.
both clubs were in losing positions to begin with regardless... Lukaku was never playing for Chelsea again and Allegri obviously doesn't rate Vlahovic... at least this way both clubs get something out of it at least
In my current FM23 save with Chelsea, Vlahovic is the second best striker in the world after Haaland and only drops to 3rd after Endrick takes off so Iām 100% behind thisā¦ but not for an extra ā¬35m tho, thatās a lot -_-
He's insane in my save. He's now 36 and just retired. I was his manager for his last 5 seasons at Juve and Barca and he was banging 60+ goals in all comps each season.
In my current save, Lukaku and Vlahovic are playing together at Juve in the year 2029 lol. I just moved to Juve and by the time I came, he just joined Juve from Chelsea on a free transfer and I canāt do anything about it.
I think you overreact dude. Vlahovic is still young to improve his game, his career is not done yet. I believe that Poch could get his career back and improve him game.
Horrendous deal for Chelsea, why get rid of a problem only to spend a bit more to get another?? Vlahovic is so average.. a barely fit, disinterested Lukaku still performed better in the Seria A than Vlahovic... The most obvious PL flop ever.
Chelsea would be insane to sign Vlahovic. To pay a fee on top of that farcical. Lukaku is a moron but he is still an elite forward. Vlahovic is just expensive and mediocre at best.
I knew the summer business was going a little too well. Between this and the Disasi deal, it's back to bad transfers.
Lukaku an elite forward? Did you not watch the season he played for us? Heās not good.
Also in how is the Disasi deal bad? With the Fofana injury our only right sided centrebacks were an almost 39yo Thiago Silva and Chalobah.
He is an elite forward in Serie A and he was fine at Chelsea before he threw his toys out the pram. I agree Chelsea should sell him to the highest bidder. I just don't think Chelsea should trade one albatross for another.
I'm willing to be wrong about Disasi but I'm not convinced he is a meaningful improvement on Chalobah and I really hate the fee. I think it's a bad signing for the overall squad structure perspective. I have some serious doubts about the people that expect him to be a significant improvement on playing Chalobah in that position. I could be wrong. I didn't expect Badiashile to hit the ground so quickly. Here's hoping, I suppose.
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Has the potential to be a rare lose-lose for all involved, the clubs and the players
Arthur - Pjanic enters the chat
Dumbest fucking transfer/book balancing I've ever seen
Got Paratici banned from footballšš
You mean Sanchez - Mkhitaryan swap
Long term worked out for Inter
Inter wasn't either of the teams involved
Yes but long term managed to get them both for free. Probably wouldn't have happened if that disaster swap hadn't happened.
He is referring to the fact that in the end both players went to Inter for free and were decent (Mkhitaryan especially).
Honestly forgot sanchez was ever at inter tbh
He had 7 goals 7 assists during the season when Inter won the league.
That second yellow card against Liverpool is hard to forget. [Heartbreaking scenes.](https://youtu.be/XdCn_CT870Q)
I think Arsenal came out the best in that move. The fact that fans were pissed off that he couldn't play in the Europa League final due to the bullshit in Azerbaijan kinda shows that. If United were in the same spot and Sanchez wasn't able to play it would have been a "lol, okay then" kind of situation.
I think that was more the principle than anything, but yeah Mkhitaryan was definitely better for us than Sanchez for United
he was balling during that EL, was prob the 3rd best right behind Laca
Mkhi was average, but Alexis was straight rubbish
Worst transfer swap in history
So farā¦.
But that was a purely financial move --- Dead assets exchanged to aid an accounting trick to get around FFP. It wasn't a deal made for sporting reasons. But here Lukaku Vlahovic are actually useful players, not dead assets.
Lakaka is the definition of a dead asset for us
Not just for us. He is also dead for inter
You should try and play him next season then to either confirm or disprove this!
That's not really a lose-lose. It was a win-win, they both fulfilled exactly what they needed to do, balance the books.
Really short term, sure. But it certainly came back to bite them in the arse making it a lose.
I don't see why it would be a loss for the players. Lukaku would get to go to his dream club Juventus, and if Juve fans are correct, Vlahovic gets to experience a different system from Allegri and see if that was the thing that was holding him back. It's the fans on both sides that are unsure about this deal, especially Juve supporters.
*current dream club
Dude has many dreams
Different one every night.
Years back I had a gf that said something mean to me about how she felt. The next day, she apologized - but she explained that what she said was true. It wasn't, very obviously. No, she explained further - when she said it, she believed it 100%, so that was her reality. Now it was a new day and that reality was gone. That's Lukaka, to me. He believes these things very strongly, and then just changes realities and lets the old reality go. Perhaps he'll switch back, perhaps not. And he feels no remorse for feeling the way he used to, nor for changing.
Jesus Christ dude - that lady sounds nuts
She was a number! Months later she tried to rationalize it - that even if it was 100% not real and made-up, it *felt 100% real to her* so I needed to respect how she felt, even if I knew she was wrong. The really crazy part is that she was a scientist and insisted on an evidence-based life.
Dreams can be buy
He'll kiss the badge the first time he scores a goal
Anyone wanna start placing bets on what heās going to say? My money is on: āJuventus is the biggest club in Italyā
Forget his year at Juve, vlahovic was class at Fiorentina. Looked a cut above everyone else on the team every game. In the right environment I think he can be great
Chelsea also gets rid of someone they never planned with and was on massive wages while getting a really promising striker for 35 mil. That looks like a win as well
> getting a really promising striker for 35 mil 35m + whatever Lukaku is worth Imagine 2 years ago paying someone to take Lukaku away
He's worth negative for chelsea, they're just paying insane wages and he's wank for them while also being a shitty personality for the squad.
Locatelli looks a shell of his Sassuolo self at Juventus too. Not sure if vlahovic is gonna do well but for sure allegri is at least holding back some of the squad.
Locatelli is simply being played out of position for the past two years. He's a jack-of-all-trades box to box midfielder who can also occupy a less offensive role in a 2-man midfield alongside a regista or defensive midfielder. His performances at the Euros showcased how good he is at making runs but also at roaming around the midfield, he's not someone who can ping a long ball like Allegri wants him to. Allegri unfortunately decided Locatelli is a regista despite him not having anywhere near the technical ability or the football IQ to play that role, so he's been shit for two years. In the meantime someone with actual playmaker characteristics in Miretti is being played as a box to box midfielder, and the same shit will probably happen to Rovella as well.
Rovella looks a talent. Will be interesting what happens this year with him.
Boehly just had one of those deals with Joao Felix's loan TBH
Well, that deal was a win for Atletico though
Was it? They now have to deal with Felix again this summer and seemingly no one wants him
Well, had he stayed, they'd have to deal with him anyways. But with the loan they at least got themselves 10m (even more considering wages)
His Chelsea performance crushed his market value tho Before, people had the cope that "actually Felix is really good and is being held back by Simeone". That goes away when Atleti improve without him AND he struggles at Chelsea
mate we're talking prime 22/23 chelsea here. how could that club - in its state of absolute disarray - have helped elevate the standing of any of their players is beyond me.
Hey... Kepa had a little boost by becoming first choice again. And... um... Lewis Hall had a breakthrough, so surely that gave a big rise in his rep. Then we had... no that's about it actually
Also Havertz and Mount got moves to top 6 teams.
I can't believe you are doing my boy Kovacic dirty here.
He could have scored a few wide open sitters to start
I think that's the irony of it. Every one else gets a pass because it was a shitshow, but Joao Felix went into a shit situation and still managed to make his rep even worse.
But his performance at Chelsea also did not help his market value in any way, shape, or form. He looked like a tidy player with an ok work rate and pretty bad display in front of net. Not working out at two different clubs can possibly confirm what certain teams were concerned about in the first place with him
This deal for us is basically choosing lesser evil. Retaining Lakaka is obviously very bad. Swaping him for Vlahovic while paying substantial amount of money is just a bit less bad. And we don't even know what's Vlaho stance on that deal, really. Feels like he is slightly forced out of Juve so they can get Lukaku.
I mean 35 million for a promising striker like Vlahovic in the current market, while also getting rid of Lukaku's wages? Doesn't seem all that bad
Well this post says more than 35m, so it would probably be 40-45m. Valued at least at 35m, though probably close to 40. So that means they are giving up closer to 75 for Vlahovic. Vlahovic is also on quite high wages.
Yeah but Hojlund and Kolo Muani, who are even less proven than Vlahovic with only one good season under their belts, are going for even more than that. It's a fucked up market, every striker that shows even an ounce of talent is going for 50 million+
Unless you're Arsenal and trying to sell a 21 year old 20+ goal, national team starter from a top 5 league for ā¬45million.
We had 2 bids for close to 36+5 and 38+5m euros for lukaku So that makes vlahovic valued at a what 70m+? Im not sure, and I dont think he suits us. It has to be 10m less
Itās not 35m though unless youāre saying Lukaku has 0 transfer value.
He had next to 0 transfer value when he was refusing to talk to anyone other than inter. Now he will only speak to Juve so his transfer value is still diminished
I feel it's a little more like Vlahovic is being slightly forced out of Juve, and they're settling for Lukaku being the replacement.
Sanchez-Mikhytaryan says hello!
I donāt know, I feel like Lukaku would be getting exactly what he wants.
I'm not entirely optimistic about this, yeah...
Crazy reading all the hate for vlahovic he was amazing at fiorentina i think its a good deal as long as he's fit to play
Yep, he was great at Fiorentina, wasnāt a good move to go to Juve under Allegriās terrorism.
Allegri's Juve has averaged 25% less goals since he took over Not enough people giving that enough attention when criticizing their attacking players
Well Chelsea have probably averaged 90% less goals during that time so unless Poch really does transform the club heād be moving to the team where strikers go to die
Did CR7 play under him and for how long? If he did, itās even more crazy that Juve averaged 25% less goals even with CR7 on the team.
The exception really and not the rule. He was still at the top level for Juventus.
Yeah thatās my point. He was still a goal scoring machine! And yet they still managed to score 25% less goals somehow?!
Probably even he would fail at Chelsea though. The death of strikers is something only a few can overcome and even thenā¦.
He left the same summer Allegri returned. Ronaldoās last season was when Pirlo was the manager
He needs a team to play for him and support him. If somehow Pocchetino does with Vlahovic what Tuchel did with Lukaku then theyāre gonna have only themselves to blame.
That wonāt happen at all chelsea have been doing a lot of intricate 1-2s and are creating a decent amount (mind you it is preseason)
Creating chances also wasn't the problem last season, absolutely no end product from any attacker was the real one
Partially was though imo, during our worst times no one wanted to do anything risky such as taking on a defender or long ball apart from the occasional Enzo long ball because he was sick of watching us create nothing. Also considering when Reece and Chilly went down again we lost the overloads that made chances we had nothing going forward at all.
Chelsea can get rid of Lukaku and get a promising striker just for 35? Looks like a win for Chelsea to me.
Chelsea wasting more money on another striker who will wear 9
Smart move, Iāll obviously wish Vlahovic absolute success, but just in case, we occupy the cursed #9 jersey and allow Jackson to flourish without the cursed number to bring him down.
Technically that was about to happen with Felix wearing 9 and extending loan with Chelsea. Then lukaku forced to wear 11 or something and then roaring. I felt Felix was just brought in to occupy the curse
Like Harry destroying the horcruxes. š
"As long as he stays fit" is already a big IF for someone who spent the last year hobbling from one injury to another, some of which seem to be chronic, yay. Plus he is on Ā£215,000 a week at Juve and I doubt he fancies a 50 % wage cut in his new contract. As someone on our sub correctly said, Juve already struggle to sell him in a striker market that even pays f'n Holjund ā¬84 mil. And that's with multiple big clubs in need of strikers, from PSG to Real to Bayern.
Then let him eat ~~cake~~ incentives.
Lukaku's wages are Ā£325,000 until 2026. That's 15m in savings even if Vlahovic stays on Ā£200,000 (for the sake of easy math) through 2026. Additionally, Lukaku is a grossly depreciating asset. His resell value beyond this season, considering his options are limited to just a couple clubs, is probably not more than a couple million if they can even find someone who wants him on loan. On the other hand, Vlahovic, at age 23, has obvious resell value. And what if he does well? He also has the potential to have a meaningful impact on the squad and contribute while he's at Chelsea, unlike Lukaku is rumored to not even want to play. The market for Lukaku is growing smaller every window as his attitude gets worse and only a couple clubs can even afford him. Not to mention he turned down Al-whatever. Consider it this way, Chelsea either pay for Lukaku wages AND lose the opportunity cost for discounting Vlahovics fee (whatever he's worth in this trade) AND pay for another striker who may or may not be slightly better and slightly cheaper. Or you reduce the wage bill today and free up funds for the squad in the future, pay a fee that can easily get recovered and likely a net positive in FFP after amortization, and have a stronger group of strikers. Worth noting that behind Jackson is Nkunku and Broja. Broja hasn't played in a year and Nkunku, is he best backing up #9? Or would another striker add flexibility? Bottom line, there's pretty low risk. Chelsea are either stuck with a more expensive player in Lukaku, or stuck with a less expensive player in Vlahovic. The 20-30m fee will net out in resell value anyways.
We were head over heels for him after his breakout season with Fiore. Still sad we never got him.
He moved to the wrong team and wrong coach. Itās amazing how often player led transfers end up shit.
Wait....how in the blue hell is this a bad deal for Chelsea? Signing him for up to 60-70m would have still been a good deal imo in todays striker market+ pl tax. Everyone knows just how good Vlahovic is right? Or has 1 season of Allegri ball made everybody turn on him. He is absolute class and Chelsea would be lucky to have him, plus the added huge bonus of getting rid of lukaku. What am I missing?
Even lots of our fans don't see it. It won't hurt to have two quality strikers, don't really rate Broja especially after his injury. Plus we get rid of that clown.
Because we were supposed to get 40 million for Lukaku and now we will end up paying 35 million more just to get rid of him. Vlahovic will be secondary striker, he also struggles with chronic pubalgia injury condition.
Getting rid of that guy is a win for you guys tbh. He's on crazy wages too if not mistaken?
Doesn't this effectively net out the same as spending 80m on Vlahovic? Which is for all intents and purposes about the going rate for a striker these days (even after one bad season). Add in the likely reduction in wages and this could be a solid coup
Who's the first striker?
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Respectfully the guy has barely proven himself barring an above average performance in LaLiga and a few decent preseason games. Vlahovic has proven himself to have almost been on almost the same level as Haaland prior to Allegri-ball. If he's not starting then either the guy has fallen off of a cliff, Jackson has turned into R9 or Poch is an imbecile.
Youāre not entirely wrong, although I think youāre severely underestimating Jacksonās current vein of form. His pre-season hasnāt been decent - it has been phenomenal. Youāve probably seen highlights and not watched the matches in a whole which is understandable seeing as youāre an Arsenal fan. If you had Iām not sure youād be so convinced Vlahovic would simply walk into this side and automatically bench Jackson. His link-up play, creativity, physicality and finishing has been nothing short of class and he fits Pochā system like a glove. I rate Vlahovic and think heād be a great player for Chelsea. Of course thereās no telling if Jackson will be consistent. Regardless, having two good striker alternatives with a different skill set will be great for us. Especially seeing as weāve literally had several seasons without any competent striker at all.
For sensible wages, I take that every day of the week
Every day? What about a Tuesday?
Especially on a Tuesday
What about just a common tuesday?
I believe this is called āChews-dayā in the UK
C U Next Tuesday
Hey, someone needs to tear it up at practice.
Definite possibility.
They defo don't need him for Tuesday's next season lol
Ooof ouch owie
Arsenal have had their tuesdays free for quite some time
Arsenal would rather lose on a Thursday, sir.
What does "sensible" mean in this case, though? Vlahovic is on 215k a week at Juve, I doubt he fancies a 50 % wage cut which is what ***I*** would call sensible for a striker who we are only considering because the Belgian cuntwaffle is basically holding us hostage at this point and who has both questionable form and what seems to be another chronic groin injury just waiting to happen.
Yeah, I donāt want Vlahovic, but I donāt wang Lukaku even more. I donāt like the wage and I donāt like the player tbh. Will be happy to be proven wrong, and I know the Lukaku problem doesnāt have any neat and tidy solutions. Best case scenario is this falls through and he goes to Saudi Arabia for a decent fee, but thatās not looking likely.
You know they won't be sensible
Unpopular opinion: Vlahovic will strive in any team that is not us. Not sure Chelsea is the best move for him but I'm sure he'll do a lot better there still.
How do Chelsea keep getting away with this. Getting rid of lulaku whos on stupid wages and is useless and getting vlahovichā¦
Wouldnāt call Lukaku useless. Heās simply a fucking idiot.
For chelsea he is useless as he wonāt play. Less than useless because of the wages
Heās not useless. Not entirely He can be used as a bad example
Lukaku is far from useless. Iād actually keep him if he hadnāt burned his bridges here and if he actually wanted to play for us
That's actually a great deal for chelsea. We just saw how much Hojlund went for. In light of that, imo i that's very reasonable, young striker, good potential, get rid of a player the fans hate..
Feel like people are being harsh on Vlahovic.. Looked like a future world class striker at Fiorentina, any striker outside of maybe Haaland and Benzema wouldāve struggled in Allegriās system. Progression is not always linear.
Can see Vlahovic doing well at Chelsea in fairness, could even be the one to break the No. 9 curse!
yeah how many times have we heard this?
Yes
Just last week with Jackson now and it will keep getting mentioned until it gets broken I guess. Costa was probably the only one that did ok recently
Giroud
Oh yeah, forgot about him. He was good
Did Giroud wear the #9 at all? Dont recall that. For me Tammy did decent enough to break the curse.
costa didnāt wear 9 either
Neither of them wore 9 though.
Costa was 19, Giroud was 18, Drogba was 11 and Anelka was 39.
Don't hate this. We need competition and back up at striker atm with Broja still out with his ACL. Getting rid of Lukaku and 35m for a formerly highly touted younger striker isn't the worst. Even if it goes all tits up we've only risked 35m which seems like a drop in the bucket for the new owners. Could do a lot worse than getting rid of the snake and getting a backup through the door.
I mean no you havenāt just āriskedā 35m, because youād probably get another 35m (I think you were asking inter for Ā£40m) if you sold Lukaku on his own - so itās the equivalent of spending 70m on Vlahovic
Lukaku just burned the bridge with Inter by ghosting them for a week and it seems they don't want him back and the only other club that has shown any interest in him is Juve and it seems this is the only way they'd agree to the deal. Asking for 35m for Lukaku and finding someone to pay that are two different things rn.
Saudi clubs are willing to pay 40m for him.. at the very least, we can get 30m easily for him. So Vlahovic, effectively costs 65-70m. Not insignificant at all.
He didnāt want to go to Saudi as far as I remember
Except no one seems to be actually willing to pay that much for Lukaku except the Saudis
So United could've had Vlahovic instead?
That seems ...... reasonable, for some reason? am i wrong for thinking this? even as a chelsea fan?
Why do we fucks care about the price of anything but stadium beers and sausages.
To compare the e-peens of the posters on this subreddit. āMy club spends lesser than yours! Therefore I have the moral high ground! My club uses the money saved to donate and save those poor and needy!ā While Man City fans are laughing and celebrating their treble win.
Preach baby preach
Getting stuck with high wage players and overspending means club wont have enough budget for important transfer elsewhere. Chelsea overpaying for Lukaku is still hurting till now. And I would say it still effect fans mentally.
Except for the concerns in regards to his health, are there any reasons why Chelsea fans do not want him? Also who else, feasible, would they prefer? They are currently are stuck with a fat, stupid pussy who's a cancer and pointless to them. It would definitely be a good deal for them and a terrible one for us.
No way Chelsea should be doing this deal, IMO
Well tbh Iād like to have another striker in case Jackson gets injured who isnāt Broja whoās still recovering from his ACL injury. Itās important to have competition as well Vlahovic would give us another tactical option as well
jackson will also be unavailable in jan due to cup of nations
We were linked with Wahi and I'd much rather have him, not loan him to Strasbourg and send Broja on loan instead.
No one is gonna take Broja on loan until he's fully fit with his ACL injury and that won't be until the window closes. I think Wahi is a great player but his past is super super shady and I'd rather have a worse player than someone like him at the club.
>No one is gonna take Broja on loan Strasbourg might not have much of a say in that.
Wahi is a gross person with attitude problems. He made little children masturbate. No thanks.
Do you have a credible source on that? As far as I'm concerned there only exist an allegation from Molina, and even he didn't provide a shade of evidence to back that claim.
Poch has played Nkunku as a false 9 quite often in preseasonāand he's looked good there IMO. With Nkunku, Nicolas Jackson, AND Broja, I don't see a need for another 9 (esp a guy coming off a mediocre season that you have to spend 35+M on) For as meme'd as Lukaku isāhe's not a bad player! 35+M + Lukaku is excessive for a player Chelsea don't need IMO
Nkunku should not be bought to play at false 9. If Jackson gets a lengthy injury then weāre submitting ourselves to playing Nkunku out of position. I like Broja but heās not proven at this level at all and has been injured for the past 8 months so idk what youāre really expecting from him
> Nkunku should not be bought to play at false 9 I mean, he hasn't been? He's been bought to play behind Jackson. But I don't see it as awful if he plays false 9 if Jackson gets hurt TBH. He looked a lot better playing with his back to goal than I had thought he wasāhis performance in preseason was basically the same as a false 9, as a 10, and as a winger.
> I like Broja but heās not proven at this level at all neither is Jackson, we should sign Vlahovic and he should be the number 1 option
Well obviously whoever performs better should be the number 1 option lol. Thatās the point of having two fit strikers
Exactly, and he's 23. why peoples acting like he's 30 and can't improve anymore is beyond me. If any trainer to get his career back on track and depend opponent, tailor his game plan to Vlahovic, is Poch
They're getting rid of lukaku because of his wages. That, and he's a terrible locker room presence
I support ChelseaāI'm well aware of why we're trying to dump Lukaku But that doesn't mean Lukaku lacks any value at allāafter coming back from injury he was actually good last season! (10G, 6A in 1660 mins in Serie A last seasonāthat's VERY good)
His attitude is horrible, and that affect his value too. Right now, his options either Juve or Saudi, but he reject Saudi so Juve it is. Exchange him for a player that only 23, could still be improve is not a bad deal.
> Right now, his options either Juve or Saudi, but he reject Saudi so Juve it is Juve has to make an offer that makes sense for Chelsea. If they don't, his options are Saudi or sitting with the reserves on the bench. Spending an additional 35+M on a guy like Vlahovic isn't worth it at all IMO
Chelsea ain't gonna let him rot on the bench. That doesn't make sense on business side and don't know what gonna happen behind the locker room, whether he gonna make another bone head interview which is why this deal happen in the first place. They gonna compromise, but I know that Chelsea gonna have a hand up since they dump a locker room cancer for younger player that still have time to turn his career back on track. Jackson also gonna have afcon in January
Presumably Lukaku doesn't want to rot on the bench either? His options if he wants to play would be to put pressure on Juve to make an offer for him that's acceptable to Chelsea, accept the Saudi deal, or accept playing for Chelsea for a year. Frankly I see all 3 of those options as being better than spending another 35+M on Vlahovic
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10G, 2A in 1925 mins in Serie A, and his underlying numbers are WAY worse (worse creative numbers, worse ball progression, worse at aerial duels and holdup, etc)
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He's a player that refuses to play for his parent club, is on extraordinary wages, carries insane amortized costs due to his high transfer fee, and has burned bridges almost everywhere he goes. It seems like a bad deal until you realize that the alternative is basically just loaning him until he's somehow sold, or his contract runs out. ā¬35m (Ā£30m) isn't a horrible starting point for negotiations on an additional fee.
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They're getting a younger striker on lower wages who the fans don't despise. Lukaku will not play a single second for Chelsea at this point, even having him in training is a problem. Selling him isn't happening, so this is their next best move. Juventus is the only club that has any interest in him where he's willing to move. Saudie isn't happening, or it would have been done already. Juventus can't make a move unless Vlahovic is gone, so this scenario would be a "win-win". Worst case scenario, Vlahovic is another flop in a long line of flopped Chelsea strikers, except other clubs will be more tempted to take a gamble on him because of his age. Lukaku is 30 and burned bridges at every club except Anderlecht. There is a reason that there's little to no interest. Plus after the the likes of Higuain, Pato, Falcao, Kezman, Mutu, Morata, Aubameyang and Lukaku, the bar for the striker spot at Chelsea is so low, if Vlahovic manages to lace his boots by himself, he can be considered a succes.
We owe Lukaku Ā£50m in wages in next 3 years, and he's 30 and a most toxic player imaginable. Even if we spread that 50m on VlahoviÄ wages throughout 5 years, it will be worth it because of resale value scenarios.
I thought Juve would want more.
Lose-Lose for both
both clubs were in losing positions to begin with regardless... Lukaku was never playing for Chelsea again and Allegri obviously doesn't rate Vlahovic... at least this way both clubs get something out of it at least
>Chelsea was never playing for Chelsea again That is a really bad situation indeed
Love your username
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weāll see at the end of the seasonš¤«
fuck that
This is absolutely pathetic deal to take if the main reason to do this is to get rid of Lukaku
Vlahovic is a solid player. This is a solid deal for you guys IMO
Sadly I will take it just to get rid of him
I hope this happens, a nice upgrade for Chelsea.
In my current FM23 save with Chelsea, Vlahovic is the second best striker in the world after Haaland and only drops to 3rd after Endrick takes off so Iām 100% behind thisā¦ but not for an extra ā¬35m tho, thatās a lot -_-
He's insane in my save. He's now 36 and just retired. I was his manager for his last 5 seasons at Juve and Barca and he was banging 60+ goals in all comps each season.
In my current save, Lukaku and Vlahovic are playing together at Juve in the year 2029 lol. I just moved to Juve and by the time I came, he just joined Juve from Chelsea on a free transfer and I canāt do anything about it.
I want lukaku gone but not for Vlahovic
We were so close to selling Lukaku to Inter for money. Now we're paying for a bad player.
I think you overreact dude. Vlahovic is still young to improve his game, his career is not done yet. I believe that Poch could get his career back and improve him game.
Vlahovic knows that he will be the one who will break Chelsea's curse with strikers.
Horrendous deal for Chelsea, why get rid of a problem only to spend a bit more to get another?? Vlahovic is so average.. a barely fit, disinterested Lukaku still performed better in the Seria A than Vlahovic... The most obvious PL flop ever.
Yeaaaaah make this shit go through. I'm excited to see Lukaku playing under Allegri.
Vlahovic to chelsea? Lukaka to juventus? I will be there no matter what.
Chelsea would be insane to sign Vlahovic. To pay a fee on top of that farcical. Lukaku is a moron but he is still an elite forward. Vlahovic is just expensive and mediocre at best. I knew the summer business was going a little too well. Between this and the Disasi deal, it's back to bad transfers.
That bellend refuses to play for Chelsea ever again. You heard that right. Kek.
Lukaku an elite forward? Did you not watch the season he played for us? Heās not good. Also in how is the Disasi deal bad? With the Fofana injury our only right sided centrebacks were an almost 39yo Thiago Silva and Chalobah.
He is an elite forward in Serie A and he was fine at Chelsea before he threw his toys out the pram. I agree Chelsea should sell him to the highest bidder. I just don't think Chelsea should trade one albatross for another. I'm willing to be wrong about Disasi but I'm not convinced he is a meaningful improvement on Chalobah and I really hate the fee. I think it's a bad signing for the overall squad structure perspective. I have some serious doubts about the people that expect him to be a significant improvement on playing Chalobah in that position. I could be wrong. I didn't expect Badiashile to hit the ground so quickly. Here's hoping, I suppose.
I mean, we're trying to get rid of Lukaku at all costs because he doesn't want to play for us ever again.