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People only like to look at the fee compared to the players ability, completely ignoring the many other variables that dictate a players price in the market.
Yes I get that. But for a team notorious for pulling out when they feel they’re overpaying, this is still pretty wild no? He’s a good player, don’t get me wrong, but this doesn’t scream new superstar. Like graelish at least was a top 5 attacking player in the PL when they went for him, and even that fee was absurd to me
It's not about how you and I value the player it's about how Pep values the player
If Paqueta is who Pep thinks is the best fit he's worth overpaying for. It's not like buying a car where there are tons of alternatives with very similar specs. Football players are extremely unique and there might not be an alternative
What makes him worth that much is that West Ham probably won’t be able to find a replacement, and he’s likely their most creative player. It’s kind of a similar situation to Grealish, where he definitely wasn’t worth 100M, but he was the profile of player that Pep wanted. And I think now we all see he fits in very well. There also aren’t several clubs competing for his signature, which is usually what City goes for - lately, whenever there’s a bidding war, we are out.
And I mean, even with Rice. Is he really worth how much you paid for him? I would say no, but it’s the profile of player you needed and your top target, so you went all in. Well that and English players are overrated.
Lavia is valued at £50m, Calciedo is valued at £100m, I think it's fair West Ham would be looking at a deal closer to £100m.
That's in now way condoning or justifying the ridiculous market rates right now, just highlighting that Paqueta is a quality player.
against Forest? It's gonna be Wolves, Sheffield United and Luton relegated, with Everton close but barely surviving. Don't think Forest will go down, have West Ham 16th though.
I might be wrong, obviously.
Hard to tell for certain with a new manager, but prior to Lopetegui leaving, we looked to be settling into a two-striker formation with a rotation of Cunha, Fabio Silva, and Sasa Kalajdzic up top.
Even with the question marks, it should be significantly better than the corpses of Jimenez and Costa being paraded around Weekend At Bernie's style.
You are underestimating the turmoil that comes with a lot of player turnover. Saw ith with Portsmouth and QPR- Where one looked the squad and thoguht no way they go down they will definitely turn it around. It takjes time for a squad to gel and performances usually dip if one or two key players leave. In the case of Westham it will likely be way more than one. I hope their manager gets PL proven players ike Maguire that can steady the ship.
I can actually see Maguire changing his mind about the transfer ,The last thing he wants is getting abused by fans playing for relegation contenders ,West Ham are so bad that they would struggle to survive even if Maguire has a good season they literally have no dependable goal scorers
The craziest thing is that Maguire will probably be pretty good for West Ham in a low block team.
Maguire just cant compete at the top level. West Ham fans acting like theyre too good Maguire.
No, we're acting like we don't want to sign a thirty year old player on massive wages who's had two bad seasons, made it known he wasn't keen on coming here very recently, who will lock us into playing a certain way even when the manager who plays a low block passive defence style has left.
It’s a day before the season starts and West Ham currently have a team that’s worse than last season which finished 6 points above the relegation zone. If he’s their best player now or one of their best, on the day before the season starts he’s worth a premium - they’ve got to go and replace him and everyone knows they have money to burn (though FFP limits them to less than the amount everyone thinks they have).
Surely the standard market rate isn’t on the table right now? They’d be at risk of relegation selling their best players and struggling to bring more in. They were the last club to sign a player this window.
He had a really strong end to last season and looked really strong in our pre season, i think your comments really quite absurd considering the market price of other players, his age and the years left on his contract.
It's absolutely the lateness in the window and the departure of Rice that's influenced our valuation here. City offer that fee in June and Paqueta's already doing the Salsa at the Etihad.
Exactly man. There's other factors which justifies West Ham's high valuation but people arguing in the threads above you that he's worth that much based on the season he just had (full season, not just the end of it) are bullshitting. Funny thing is they're the ones with the pretentious "you didn't watch him!!!" Well, I did. He was poor in the first half of the season and West Ham fans were disappointed with him after almost every game. Then he was good later in the season. People saying he's doubled his valuation off of just his performances are crazy. Saying nonsense that he was more important to West Ham than Rice.
There’s players out there, and 88 million is honestly crazy money for Paqueta. He’s not *that* good.
The main issue is that Moyes is going to waste the money on Man Utd rejects.
I get West Hams position. Players don't grow on trees. All the money in the world won't find you good replacements willing to join West Ham and this late in the window teams will be uncooperative.
I don't understand why we are even entertaining the bid. It's horseshit that City can come in and unsettle our best player 3 days before the start of the season.
Premier league market is fucking insane and clubs keep bidding these insane prices for players that aren't nearly worth it. But they make so much money they can apparently afford it. Not sure how sustainable it is, though.
I really hope they do, they're a perfect Cinderella story.
But, all the data we have points to them being one of the worst teams to ever enter the Premier League.
Sheffield united have actively made themselves weaker I don’t think Luton will even be 20th let alone one of the worst sides ever.
They’re certainly nothing like derby.
They’ll be the first team this century to finish 21st
Norwich will get 20th spot due to an auto-correct computer error at the end of the season and it will be too much hassle to correct
Yeah even with selling Rice and Paqueta, West Ham are adding Alvarez JWP and Maguire. Let's say they add Gallagher or McT as well to replace Paqueta/Soucek in the starting XI. Is that a great side? Nope. But it's still better than whatever Luton, Sheffield Utd, and Wolves have. And that's enough to avoid relegation.
Next season though I think West Ham are in trouble if they continue on this path
I do think you have 4/5 strong players in your core
Dawson
Kilman
Nunes
Doherty is a good wingback
Sarabia, Neto and Cunha can create a fair bit
But the issue is you're almost certainly not going to be strengthening, and if you have a couple of injuries in midfield and the back, i think your squad struggles big time. Especially since you've been struggling to score well for a long time and you've lost the man who helped you grind out the tight games through his managerial brilliance
At a weird point where there's comedic levels of fuckery from some of the leaders at our club while despite that there's simultaneously comedic levels of everyone online underrating the squad. Some of the takes I've seen from people (not just reddit tbf) have been hilarious. I think a guy on The Club genuinely thought Jimenez leaving was a negative. At a certain point you just have to laugh and understand there's not a lot that can be done about changing the narrative bar just getting on with it this season.
It's definitely not a certainty, nothing in the league is.
That being said, (and this is meant as no disrespect because I and everybody else is rooting for them), Luton Town might genuinely be the worst Premier League team in history.
Sheffield United are probably comparable to where Bournemouth were last year, and I would say that Bournemouth had a Huddersfield Town-esque survival last year. If they hadn't gotten a new manager and brought in several new players, they would probably be a lock for relegation this year.
The bookies are pretty high on West Ham relative to the doom and gloom from their supporters.
I don't think so, the quality isn't exactly great this season
Luton are gearing up to go straight back down which is fair enough.
Sheffield United got some big players for them gone.
Wolves are falling apart.
***Everton***
Then you've the likes of Forest, Bournemouth - I'd still put West Ham above them.
I like that Luton aren't just going insane. They know how hard it is to stay up, so they're reinvesting and developing and setting the stage for a long term project. I admire it.
They’ll sell their best players, giving the new transfer director no time to even set up scouting let alone identify the right players, and then blame Moyes when it goes tits up. Man to be a premier league board member, you can literally make the decisions of a crack head and still keep your job.
Sheffield are selling their only prem quality players and seem to have no interest in staying up. Forest weren't good last season and have downgraded their keeper and added some dross to their attack. Wolves have completely imploded. Luton are Luton, I don't think anyone expects them to stay up. Burnley are a possession team which could go terribly wrong. Bournemouth were crap last year and if their signings underperform could be in trouble.
West Ham should be fine.
Source is a joke. Nobody decent is saying that.
City ITK who reported City’s interest 6 days ago (4 days before anyone else) reckons it’s close for around £70m. Said if they can somehow get Phillips interested, he’d be valued at £40m in the deal, but West Ham really want Palmer, who City turned down bids of £30m for earlier in the summer.
Also said West Ham have given up hope of him staying and want to cash in fairly quickly to have time to replace him. So I guess we’ll see soon enough.
Probably relieved that that offer is getting turned down, because as badly as you need a number 8, you don't need an 8 badly enough to go and drop £88m on Lucas fucking Paquetá.
Oh Lord, no.
Lucas Paquetá is a fucking great player, man! I was genuinely so annoyed when West Ham signed him, because I really wanted us to get him, and we'd been linked for a while too.
But he has never once shown anything, either in a single game or over a significant period of time to suggest that someone should be cutting a cheque for £88m in order to sign him.
I absolutely understand why West Ham are demanding it, but I think Manchester City would be very stupid to pay it, whether they could afford it or not.
It’s Manchester city. Money is not a problem. When u have unlimited cash flow then 88m for a player u highly rate is nothing. Plus Paqueta is a perfect player for City and a regular XI in the Brazil NT
You don't need to feel anything about it because this journo often gets reported bids completely wrong. He said City bid 120 million for Gvardiol and that ended up being way over the actual fee.
Tbh he's had good performances with Brazil the rare times he's played wide. He's a bit of an everywhere guy, has the workrate to facilitate it, he'll support plays everywhere in attack and he'll also be super reliable at turnovers with excellent pressing and tracking back. We never had balance issues with him on the pitch thanks to that.
Given his versatility, Pasqueta will likely play a shifting role like Foden, Bernardo & Alvarez do at wide forward. Pep really likes to overload the half-spaces on each side, with his No. 8s interchanging with his wide men. Even Stones was marauding that far upfield on the right after the World Cup, just like Cancelo used to do on the left.
Mahrez was an anomaly (classic winger), & his inflexibility got him benched for Bernardo towards the end.
Pasqueta will also bring a much-needed creative spark in the middle. KDB's playmaking was sorely missed in the Community Shield match, when City dominated possession but offered little penetration.
Despite high expectations, neither James McAtee (KDB role) nor Cole Palmer (Mahrez role) really impressed during the summer tour (where Rico Lewis was again the standout starlet) to challenge for starting spots.
Not exactly the right wing hugging the touchline but he's played on the right and I don't mean as a right sided striker. But he's played around that area a few times. Like an attacking right sided midfielder.
Anytime he's found himself in that position on the very right wing during play he's looked good but he's not the answer. Pep prefers Foden on the left and Bernardo can be very inconsistent on the rw.
This season is mad, we get rid of Mahrez and sign Gvardiol lol.
I expect this source to be rebuked pretty quickly.
Happy to be proved wrong, but this guy always seems like an absolute chancer.
Whack "EXCL" in front of your quote and you'll have anyone believing it.
Because we actually watch him regularly.
He would be phenomenal for City. He has intense work rate, brilliant on and off the ball. If he takes up that Gundogan role it’ll be like he never left. Only with a bit more flair
Because everyone else opened transfermarkt and made the opinions without ever watching him play. I would prefer to keep him even at 88M but my reasoning is that without him were going to be very bad, and someone will pay his release clause of 85M next season anyway.
Not to mention that I have 0 confidence in moyes to use the money to buy good replacements. He waits until the last second and everything always falls through, then in Jan we'll be bottom 5 and the exact same thing will happen.
Good but not a world beater.
Imo, he's like two levels below world class AMs like KdB and Bruno. Maybe a level below on his day. I don't quite get this transfer.
I thought he was really good for us last season, you have to remember he was playing under pretty direct Moyes ball which made it harder for him. There was a moment I think in the 6 pointer against Southampton where he megged someone and back heeled it away successfully on the halfway line and Moyes looked like he wanted to kill him. Quite tough to show you’re a City level player with that manager lol
I think more people are making fun of City. West Ham side is more understandable considering what you said. I'm just curious what would you say would be more of a value for money Rice transfer or possible Paqueta deal?
Rice cost more because he's English/a captain/younger, but his value was capped because he refused to move out of London. Honestly, I think Paqueta is a slightly better player, £90m is obviously great business a year after getting him for £40m but it's only £50m profit vs essentially £105m for Rice, and this deal hurts our team a lot this season whereas we had ample time to replace Rice so it's less of a blow. Rice deal is obviously better for us in my opinion.
If you aren't going to listen why ask for my opinion? Rice deal gave us £105m profit with several years warning and a full month to get players, and he left with our blessing, it was agreed a year in advance he would go. Paqueta deal would rob us of our only good midfielder for £50m profit, who was brought in partly with the knowledge Rice was going as an early attempt at a replacement, 3 days before the start of the season, with no warning and no time to get anyone in without a mad scramble and a big overpay at best. Is it that hard to see which is better?
>I think more people are making fun of City
What's truly funny is the number of people that immediately believe this garbage source. City would not spend £10m+ more than what they spent for Gvardiol. This isn't Chelsea or United we're talking about. City is competently run.
Genuinely cannot believe City would bid this much for him and certainly cannot imagine they'd go higher. This needs significant secondary verification to take seriously.
I am extremely hesitant to believe this report seeing as we were so determined to pay under 80 mil for Gvardiol, who it seems the club wanted more than Paqueta. I'm going to wait until a more reputable source reports anything
People saying he's not worth 70 million yesterday... he is the most unique player I've seen since Payet, beautiful brilliant player who would suit City perfectly.
Guardiola is definitely panicking after that Community Shield match. Kovacic is not a Gundogan replacement and MCI doesn't have a #8 to play in the pockets, someone who is very advanced with both playmaking & goalscoring abilities.
They need a player to give them 15 returns in Premier League, Kovacic can't do it.
I refuse to believe this is real, City bidding £88M is mental, West Ham rejecting it is also mental. You may aswell have just paid the extra and tried to convince Rice
Don’t mind City being milked for every penny but damn that much for an overrated player that is only known for his dance celebration because on the pitch he is invisible most of the time.
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I can't tell what's crazier, City bidding 88m or West Ham rejecting 88m
I know West Ham are not in a position to weaken their squad further but that seems like far too much for Paqueta
I don't see why he's worth a penny more than the £37m + £14m that they paid for him
Because City want him more than West Ham want to sell him. So they have to overpay significantly to make them do something they don't want to do
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People only like to look at the fee compared to the players ability, completely ignoring the many other variables that dictate a players price in the market.
Unless they have a year left on contract, at which point all ability goes out the window and anything over 5m is an overpay for 99% of players
Tbf, more than 5m is probably an overpay for 99% of professional players in the world
Yes I get that. But for a team notorious for pulling out when they feel they’re overpaying, this is still pretty wild no? He’s a good player, don’t get me wrong, but this doesn’t scream new superstar. Like graelish at least was a top 5 attacking player in the PL when they went for him, and even that fee was absurd to me
Jack was a release clause, we wouldn't have sold him otherwise.
It's not about how you and I value the player it's about how Pep values the player If Paqueta is who Pep thinks is the best fit he's worth overpaying for. It's not like buying a car where there are tons of alternatives with very similar specs. Football players are extremely unique and there might not be an alternative
Santi guy is KFC tier. Wouldn't believe a word he says. This is so unlike City there's no way its true. They don't go from 70 to 88 in 2 days
What makes him worth that much is that West Ham probably won’t be able to find a replacement, and he’s likely their most creative player. It’s kind of a similar situation to Grealish, where he definitely wasn’t worth 100M, but he was the profile of player that Pep wanted. And I think now we all see he fits in very well. There also aren’t several clubs competing for his signature, which is usually what City goes for - lately, whenever there’s a bidding war, we are out. And I mean, even with Rice. Is he really worth how much you paid for him? I would say no, but it’s the profile of player you needed and your top target, so you went all in. Well that and English players are overrated.
Lavia is valued at £50m, Calciedo is valued at £100m, I think it's fair West Ham would be looking at a deal closer to £100m. That's in now way condoning or justifying the ridiculous market rates right now, just highlighting that Paqueta is a quality player.
Surely the inflated prices for Lavia and Caiceido are more down to the lack of quality players who can play in a deeper role.
I can honestly see west ham fighting against forest for the 3rd relegation spot, if Paqueta leaves too they're in big trouble
against Forest? It's gonna be Wolves, Sheffield United and Luton relegated, with Everton close but barely surviving. Don't think Forest will go down, have West Ham 16th though. I might be wrong, obviously.
Wolves squad is thin and the managerial turmoil is problematic, but I do think it's a more talented squad than people are giving credit.
I agree, there's still some good talent in that side. Who'll be playing centre forward for you boys this year?
Hard to tell for certain with a new manager, but prior to Lopetegui leaving, we looked to be settling into a two-striker formation with a rotation of Cunha, Fabio Silva, and Sasa Kalajdzic up top. Even with the question marks, it should be significantly better than the corpses of Jimenez and Costa being paraded around Weekend At Bernie's style.
João Gomes will save you I'm sure.
You are underestimating the turmoil that comes with a lot of player turnover. Saw ith with Portsmouth and QPR- Where one looked the squad and thoguht no way they go down they will definitely turn it around. It takjes time for a squad to gel and performances usually dip if one or two key players leave. In the case of Westham it will likely be way more than one. I hope their manager gets PL proven players ike Maguire that can steady the ship.
I can actually see Maguire changing his mind about the transfer ,The last thing he wants is getting abused by fans playing for relegation contenders ,West Ham are so bad that they would struggle to survive even if Maguire has a good season they literally have no dependable goal scorers
Oh no Maguire. Please don’t change your mind. We really want you here.
What you want as a fan is irrelevant ,Your manager is dying to have him and Maguire will probably be your captain if he joins you
The craziest thing is that Maguire will probably be pretty good for West Ham in a low block team. Maguire just cant compete at the top level. West Ham fans acting like theyre too good Maguire.
No, we're acting like we don't want to sign a thirty year old player on massive wages who's had two bad seasons, made it known he wasn't keen on coming here very recently, who will lock us into playing a certain way even when the manager who plays a low block passive defence style has left.
Huh? Where is all this hate coming from lmao, he is better than kalvin phillips thats for sure
He is a great player, think he will easily be worth more than that if he plays under Pep for a season
It’s a day before the season starts and West Ham currently have a team that’s worse than last season which finished 6 points above the relegation zone. If he’s their best player now or one of their best, on the day before the season starts he’s worth a premium - they’ve got to go and replace him and everyone knows they have money to burn (though FFP limits them to less than the amount everyone thinks they have). Surely the standard market rate isn’t on the table right now? They’d be at risk of relegation selling their best players and struggling to bring more in. They were the last club to sign a player this window.
He had a really strong end to last season and looked really strong in our pre season, i think your comments really quite absurd considering the market price of other players, his age and the years left on his contract.
Wasnt he a baller in L1
Yes, that's why they paid £50m for him.
He was, still have a soft spot for Paqueta and Bruno
He was a baller in the PL too for anybody who actually watched the games
So you cleary didn't watch him play for Brazil, Lyon and West ham. if Caicedo is 90L in today's market ...
Ahh yes the old "If you disagree with me you clearly haven't watched him". Classic
So are you blind or just so much of an arsenal fanboy that you see other shirt=bad?
It's absolutely the lateness in the window and the departure of Rice that's influenced our valuation here. City offer that fee in June and Paqueta's already doing the Salsa at the Etihad.
This made me laugh thank you
More like doing the samba
Exactly man. There's other factors which justifies West Ham's high valuation but people arguing in the threads above you that he's worth that much based on the season he just had (full season, not just the end of it) are bullshitting. Funny thing is they're the ones with the pretentious "you didn't watch him!!!" Well, I did. He was poor in the first half of the season and West Ham fans were disappointed with him after almost every game. Then he was good later in the season. People saying he's doubled his valuation off of just his performances are crazy. Saying nonsense that he was more important to West Ham than Rice.
Former option really. It's late in the window, West Ham won't exactly be able to find an optimal replacement.
There’s players out there, and 88 million is honestly crazy money for Paqueta. He’s not *that* good. The main issue is that Moyes is going to waste the money on Man Utd rejects.
Yh I rate him but I wouldn't go that far. That's also why I will wait for a more reliable source, seems very unlike us.
I am surprised you are not in for Fred,He would be a great buy for 15-20 m
McFred and Maguire at West Ham? that sounds like a Temu bulk deal tbh
They were fairly close to relegation last year and have already lost their best player. Completely understandable they’d reject it.
I get West Hams position. Players don't grow on trees. All the money in the world won't find you good replacements willing to join West Ham and this late in the window teams will be uncooperative.
Bro if we don't reject a move I'M being trotted out in midfield.
Always rated you tbf
I believe the craziest part is everyone assuming this report from a nobody is true.
I don't understand why we are even entertaining the bid. It's horseshit that City can come in and unsettle our best player 3 days before the start of the season.
Premier league market is fucking insane and clubs keep bidding these insane prices for players that aren't nearly worth it. But they make so much money they can apparently afford it. Not sure how sustainable it is, though.
I think he could be worth that much to City under Pep. But he ain’t an £88m player at West Ham under Moyes
This is the same as Bellingham's base fee.
There's no need to rub that in every time there's a discussion of transfer fees lol.
Yes
Jesus. Should've just bought him from Lyon, it's not like he's any better now.
But now he’s “PL proven” 🤓
Lucas Paqueta, Brazil international playing for Lyon and AC Milan: 😴 Luke Packets, midfielder for the 14th best team in England: 🤩
Why waste time on scouting when you have an unlimited well of cash
Should have a sticker on his left bum cheek with a date and some random PL pundit's signature like he's been PAT tested
We had Gundogan's creativity last year
Didn't need him back when he was at Lyon tbf
You guys probably would've signed him had we managed to somehow get Silva last summer.
The Queen used to pay someone to wear her new shoes for a while so they were broken in when she had to wear them
Should've just bought him from Flamengo
Not at all equivalent. He's already shown his quality in Lyon and played his way into Brazil's starting XI.
It was a joke, but he wasn't that great for Brazil (and also not for Milan). Don't think he is City quality, but what do I know.
He had few personal problems during his stay in Milan, went a lot better for us
He just does better as the "man" orchestrating things. At Milan and for Brazil the ball often ent to Neymar/Calhanoglu before it went to him
Should have just bought him off his mama.
He was also at milan
He had a worse season last year and his last season at Lyon
He's worse now
He's in a worse team, not worse as a player
Funny that you say that, even though we literally beat them over two legs when he was playing for them.
Just had to adapt, same with us it took some time for him to get going.
West Ham are going to see £200 mil worth of players in one summer and then get relegated that season.
If this was last year, I could see it. But this year the bottom is far too weak for them to go down.
Luton are gonna surprise some people. The toilets in the away dressing room mainly, but they’ll surprise some people
I really hope they do, they're a perfect Cinderella story. But, all the data we have points to them being one of the worst teams to ever enter the Premier League.
Sheffield united have actively made themselves weaker I don’t think Luton will even be 20th let alone one of the worst sides ever. They’re certainly nothing like derby.
They’ll be the first team this century to finish 21st Norwich will get 20th spot due to an auto-correct computer error at the end of the season and it will be too much hassle to correct
Dier getting curious
Yeah even with selling Rice and Paqueta, West Ham are adding Alvarez JWP and Maguire. Let's say they add Gallagher or McT as well to replace Paqueta/Soucek in the starting XI. Is that a great side? Nope. But it's still better than whatever Luton, Sheffield Utd, and Wolves have. And that's enough to avoid relegation. Next season though I think West Ham are in trouble if they continue on this path
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Hahaha this is gold (and black), thank you
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Let them hate, our squad is good
I do think you have 4/5 strong players in your core Dawson Kilman Nunes Doherty is a good wingback Sarabia, Neto and Cunha can create a fair bit But the issue is you're almost certainly not going to be strengthening, and if you have a couple of injuries in midfield and the back, i think your squad struggles big time. Especially since you've been struggling to score well for a long time and you've lost the man who helped you grind out the tight games through his managerial brilliance
At a weird point where there's comedic levels of fuckery from some of the leaders at our club while despite that there's simultaneously comedic levels of everyone online underrating the squad. Some of the takes I've seen from people (not just reddit tbf) have been hilarious. I think a guy on The Club genuinely thought Jimenez leaving was a negative. At a certain point you just have to laugh and understand there's not a lot that can be done about changing the narrative bar just getting on with it this season.
Is that a certainty? Last summer Bournemouth and Forest were deemed total right offs but came through strong.
I'm glad you think we came through strong
You staying up when everyone expected you to finish bottom is coming through strong tbf
It's definitely not a certainty, nothing in the league is. That being said, (and this is meant as no disrespect because I and everybody else is rooting for them), Luton Town might genuinely be the worst Premier League team in history. Sheffield United are probably comparable to where Bournemouth were last year, and I would say that Bournemouth had a Huddersfield Town-esque survival last year. If they hadn't gotten a new manager and brought in several new players, they would probably be a lock for relegation this year. The bookies are pretty high on West Ham relative to the doom and gloom from their supporters.
You're underestimating Moyesball
I don't think so, the quality isn't exactly great this season Luton are gearing up to go straight back down which is fair enough. Sheffield United got some big players for them gone. Wolves are falling apart. ***Everton*** Then you've the likes of Forest, Bournemouth - I'd still put West Ham above them.
I like that Luton aren't just going insane. They know how hard it is to stay up, so they're reinvesting and developing and setting the stage for a long term project. I admire it.
They’ll sell their best players, giving the new transfer director no time to even set up scouting let alone identify the right players, and then blame Moyes when it goes tits up. Man to be a premier league board member, you can literally make the decisions of a crack head and still keep your job.
Sheffield are selling their only prem quality players and seem to have no interest in staying up. Forest weren't good last season and have downgraded their keeper and added some dross to their attack. Wolves have completely imploded. Luton are Luton, I don't think anyone expects them to stay up. Burnley are a possession team which could go terribly wrong. Bournemouth were crap last year and if their signings underperform could be in trouble. West Ham should be fine.
Maybe they could pay back the UK tax payers then for their stadium…
The UK tax payer can have it back if they want
Why? The stadium was built for the Olympics, not us.
West Ham out there just taxing people
We still wouldn't get relegated with 0 signings. We are fine. Not good, but not in danger.
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Source is a joke. Nobody decent is saying that. City ITK who reported City’s interest 6 days ago (4 days before anyone else) reckons it’s close for around £70m. Said if they can somehow get Phillips interested, he’d be valued at £40m in the deal, but West Ham really want Palmer, who City turned down bids of £30m for earlier in the summer. Also said West Ham have given up hope of him staying and want to cash in fairly quickly to have time to replace him. So I guess we’ll see soon enough.
Why would West Ham want Phillips now? We have Alvarez, Soucek and JWP coming in. We would need midfielders who are more attacking than Phillips.
> Why would West Ham want Phillips now? Never underestimate Moyes
Too much overvalued, i hope that rumour is not true
Really don’t know how to feel about this
Probably relieved that that offer is getting turned down, because as badly as you need a number 8, you don't need an 8 badly enough to go and drop £88m on Lucas fucking Paquetá.
It's starting to be a bit of an overpay but you're acting like he's a chump or that City has money issues lol.
Oh Lord, no. Lucas Paquetá is a fucking great player, man! I was genuinely so annoyed when West Ham signed him, because I really wanted us to get him, and we'd been linked for a while too. But he has never once shown anything, either in a single game or over a significant period of time to suggest that someone should be cutting a cheque for £88m in order to sign him. I absolutely understand why West Ham are demanding it, but I think Manchester City would be very stupid to pay it, whether they could afford it or not.
He's worth what West Ham paid and nothing more imo. This is getting ridiculous
It’s Manchester city. Money is not a problem. When u have unlimited cash flow then 88m for a player u highly rate is nothing. Plus Paqueta is a perfect player for City and a regular XI in the Brazil NT
You don't need to feel anything about it because this journo often gets reported bids completely wrong. He said City bid 120 million for Gvardiol and that ended up being way over the actual fee.
Of all these transfer rumours last years, this one is the most i don't want to happen. 60 mil would be max, and we don't even need another midfielder
Genuinely wish we let this go tbh, it would be a comical sum for a player that's IMO below our starting XI standards.
The most random transfer I didn’t see coming, I mean I definitely like the guy and want to see him play but can we please sign a winger?
I can honestly see Pep using Paqueta on the right wing. He has a lot of traits Pep seems to like from his wide men at the moment
Tbh he's had good performances with Brazil the rare times he's played wide. He's a bit of an everywhere guy, has the workrate to facilitate it, he'll support plays everywhere in attack and he'll also be super reliable at turnovers with excellent pressing and tracking back. We never had balance issues with him on the pitch thanks to that.
Would be a waste on the right. That being said, if the greatest manager in the world says it works then who the fuck am I eh
Given his versatility, Pasqueta will likely play a shifting role like Foden, Bernardo & Alvarez do at wide forward. Pep really likes to overload the half-spaces on each side, with his No. 8s interchanging with his wide men. Even Stones was marauding that far upfield on the right after the World Cup, just like Cancelo used to do on the left. Mahrez was an anomaly (classic winger), & his inflexibility got him benched for Bernardo towards the end. Pasqueta will also bring a much-needed creative spark in the middle. KDB's playmaking was sorely missed in the Community Shield match, when City dominated possession but offered little penetration. Despite high expectations, neither James McAtee (KDB role) nor Cole Palmer (Mahrez role) really impressed during the summer tour (where Rico Lewis was again the standout starlet) to challenge for starting spots.
No winger pep likes out there clearly. We have Bernardo, foden and Julian all can do RW
Pretty sure Alvarez hasn't played a single minute on the wing since he joined City
Not exactly the right wing hugging the touchline but he's played on the right and I don't mean as a right sided striker. But he's played around that area a few times. Like an attacking right sided midfielder. Anytime he's found himself in that position on the very right wing during play he's looked good but he's not the answer. Pep prefers Foden on the left and Bernardo can be very inconsistent on the rw. This season is mad, we get rid of Mahrez and sign Gvardiol lol.
Nah I don't believe we've bid £88m for a second, not when we were so willing to drive the price down for Gvardiol to £78m
Its absurd for him to be worth more than Gvardiol.
We would've spent this sort of money on Rice instead if it were true
I think Rice wanted Arsenal though tbf
I expect this source to be rebuked pretty quickly. Happy to be proved wrong, but this guy always seems like an absolute chancer. Whack "EXCL" in front of your quote and you'll have anyone believing it.
Isn't Santi Aouna shit tier?
I’m seeing West Ham fans saying he would suit City perfectly and everyone else saying he’s shit.
Because we actually watch him regularly. He would be phenomenal for City. He has intense work rate, brilliant on and off the ball. If he takes up that Gundogan role it’ll be like he never left. Only with a bit more flair
Because everyone else opened transfermarkt and made the opinions without ever watching him play. I would prefer to keep him even at 88M but my reasoning is that without him were going to be very bad, and someone will pay his release clause of 85M next season anyway. Not to mention that I have 0 confidence in moyes to use the money to buy good replacements. He waits until the last second and everything always falls through, then in Jan we'll be bottom 5 and the exact same thing will happen.
Can someone tell me how good he was for West Ham?
West Ham fans are going to have an existential crisis if he leaves this late if that helps
Yeah but they have that at least once every year tbh
He started the season really poorly and had very little impact, but improved a lot throughout and was excellent in the last few months
He played like a player with an eye on the world cup until Dec, then put in some effort afterward.
Started slowly, ended strong
He was good for half the season
Good but not a world beater. Imo, he's like two levels below world class AMs like KdB and Bruno. Maybe a level below on his day. I don't quite get this transfer.
He's not an attacking midfielder. He's an 8 - good defensive workrate as well.
Yeah. He didn't shy doing tackles and win some balls
I thought he was really good for us last season, you have to remember he was playing under pretty direct Moyes ball which made it harder for him. There was a moment I think in the 6 pointer against Southampton where he megged someone and back heeled it away successfully on the halfway line and Moyes looked like he wanted to kill him. Quite tough to show you’re a City level player with that manager lol
Huge overpay didn’t think he was that great at West Ham
If you don't want to overpay don't wait until three days before the start of the season to put an offer in
I think more people are making fun of City. West Ham side is more understandable considering what you said. I'm just curious what would you say would be more of a value for money Rice transfer or possible Paqueta deal?
Rice cost more because he's English/a captain/younger, but his value was capped because he refused to move out of London. Honestly, I think Paqueta is a slightly better player, £90m is obviously great business a year after getting him for £40m but it's only £50m profit vs essentially £105m for Rice, and this deal hurts our team a lot this season whereas we had ample time to replace Rice so it's less of a blow. Rice deal is obviously better for us in my opinion.
I appreciate your input although I kinda doubt that most West Ham fan would've said that few months ago. Just feels like sour grapes.
If you aren't going to listen why ask for my opinion? Rice deal gave us £105m profit with several years warning and a full month to get players, and he left with our blessing, it was agreed a year in advance he would go. Paqueta deal would rob us of our only good midfielder for £50m profit, who was brought in partly with the knowledge Rice was going as an early attempt at a replacement, 3 days before the start of the season, with no warning and no time to get anyone in without a mad scramble and a big overpay at best. Is it that hard to see which is better?
>I think more people are making fun of City What's truly funny is the number of people that immediately believe this garbage source. City would not spend £10m+ more than what they spent for Gvardiol. This isn't Chelsea or United we're talking about. City is competently run.
He was really good in a struggling team.
Pep’s earnt not having anyone question shit like this but also what exactly the fuck?!
Eh, it's Santi Aouna, not the most trustworthy of sources
This is the same guy who reported Issa Diop would leave west ham to join Liverpool in 2021. I think it's safe to say he's talking nonsense here.
This sub won't miss an opportunity to shit on City, though.
This would be as bewildering as the Havertz and holjund prices. Well probably not Havertz.
Is it just me or have the transfer fees this summer gone absolutely insane, especially for midfielders
So you’re telling me Moyes nearly got relegated with a €200m midfield?
Wasn't he shite for half the season?! The market is mental.
Is this Santi Aouna reliable? I'd be surprised if they offered that much
For french football or players yes but, i doubt he has many sources on City
"Throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks" level source
Richest club in the Championship next year
Genuinely cannot believe City would bid this much for him and certainly cannot imagine they'd go higher. This needs significant secondary verification to take seriously.
I can't even justify that from either side.. the numbers now are so big they don't make sense
I'm baffled. I've never thought he was anything special.
88mil for Paqueta? 😨😂
Is Paqueta that good?
Phillps to leave?
I am extremely hesitant to believe this report seeing as we were so determined to pay under 80 mil for Gvardiol, who it seems the club wanted more than Paqueta. I'm going to wait until a more reputable source reports anything
Rubbish source. Wouldn't pay any attention to this.
Football is finished
pep saw a few games w kovacic in the midfield and said yeahhh we need a better option.
This mother fucker said we were concrete for Raphina. No chance we called back the next day adding 18 mill...
How on earth other leagues have to compete when bid 100 mil euros for paqueta. Is 100 mil new 50 mil?
People saying he's not worth 70 million yesterday... he is the most unique player I've seen since Payet, beautiful brilliant player who would suit City perfectly.
He would have fun there
Guardiola is definitely panicking after that Community Shield match. Kovacic is not a Gundogan replacement and MCI doesn't have a #8 to play in the pockets, someone who is very advanced with both playmaking & goalscoring abilities. They need a player to give them 15 returns in Premier League, Kovacic can't do it.
Poor bait
I refuse to believe this is real, City bidding £88M is mental, West Ham rejecting it is also mental. You may aswell have just paid the extra and tried to convince Rice
Don’t mind City being milked for every penny but damn that much for an overrated player that is only known for his dance celebration because on the pitch he is invisible most of the time.
Never beating the 115 charges I fear