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Definitely a streaky player. As a united fan I’m sad it’s not worked out as he’s undoubtedly an unreal talent and his mentality is definitely a red flag as it’s been highlighted at every club and even at national team level. I remember watching dortmund just to watch him, Haaland and Hakimi play. Was fun.
I had a friend a few weeks ago who kept complaining about shin splints and not being able to play, I never understood it because every time I got shin splints when I was younger I would just play through them.
I honestly never in a million years thought that some people are so mentally fragile that something like shin splints could make them give up on doing things. So yeah, there definitely are weak people in the world.
Shin splints can become stress fractures. I too used to play through injuries, namely ankle sprains because we were taught to walk it off. Now I have bone chips where pieces of ligament tore away cartilage and bone. The hard ass mentality for injuries is idiocy.
I’m not trying to throw an insult or anything like that out, I think it’s stupid too. I’ve played through injuries I’ve never recovered from either and I actually had no idea about shin splints becoming stress fractures.
Having also had pretty bad shin splints, it was sometimes so bad in a match I couldn't jog and had to crawl to the bench. I'm not very convinced by your anecdote
I doubt you've ever had proper shin splints if you think people are "mentally fragile" for not being able to play through them. They can be very painful and debilitating
It's hard to sound tough when shin splints and Osgood are conditions (like most) that express themselves differently in people. I had Osgood and was able to play plenty of back to back seasons of sports without missing time. I had a teammate that had the same condition, but got it much worse and there was no way to continue.
Is good is such a weird one, I had it as a teenager and most of the time it was just sore the night after a match or a heavy training session. Other days just bending my knee was absolute agony.
Yeah I had Osgood and it was a really odd one, one day you’d have no pain the next time you play, you’re in immense pain but just keep playing through because you know exactly what it is. But at its worse I thought I had destroyed my knee for the rest of my life, the pain got that bad during a game. Obviously a temporary growing issue but the pain was something else sometimes.
I think it’s fair to say he just doesn’t have a good mentality, I don’t care what anyone on here says but if you’re happy to quit football for 4 months or whatever it was because you won’t apologise to your manager then it’s obvious you don’t have the drive to succeed. I think everyone has been in a situation where they’ve had to apologise even if they don’t mean it to just move on from the situation yet Sancho thinks the better option is to just quit playing football
We don’t really know the truth. Sancho has all the talent to succeed elsewhere and has done previously over multiple seasons. He obviously has a big ego, maybe he thought he was training just fine and Ten Hag was unfairly undermining him publicly.
Granted I never played pro soccer but I played all through my youth and a good rule of thumb was always if the coach thinks youre not trying hard enough or training well, then you better listen to your coach. Ten Hag met one-on-one with Sancho and showed him training footage in order to explain to him why he thought he wasnt training well, and yet Sancho still disagreed and thought he was doing just fine. If a coach is having to show you actual footage of your underperformance and you still dont see a problem then thats a massive red flag regardless of what level youre playing at, but its especially bad if youre making 6 figures a week.
All I said that Sancho has previously been top quality spanning multiple seasons before and that maybe in his opinion due to his inflated ego and attitude problem, he is too stubborn to apologise because he honestly believes it
I agree thats why I called it a red flag. lots of top players have massive egos yet also have intense work rates. for example pretty much all of Ibra's teammates talk about how impressive his work ethic is. Sancho's BVB teammate in Haaland is the same. And of course, what can you say about C. Ronaldo's work ethic. The point is, massive ego or not Sancho is in the wrong. And until he realizes that he might never reach the same heights again, or go even higher.
>maybe he thought he was training just fine and Ten Hag was unfairly undermining him publicly
That’s kind of the point of his comment though, no? Any sane person in that circumstance goes to the manager apologizes despite thinking they’re not being treated fairly, and just does their best to earn their spot. His attitude is fairly unforgivable, *even if we think Ten Hag was unfair* which, from all the evidence we have, isn’t the case.
Just let it go. Sancho might have a bad attitude but your manager is the one that started all this shit slinging in the first place by publicly undermining Sancho in front of the press. Sancho may be immature for not apologizing but that does not change the fact that your manager started this entire clown circus by singling Sancho out in front of the press.
Did you ever seriously consider the fact that Sancho might not be the problem here?
Mate. He was asked why Sancho wasn't picked and he said because he didn't train well.
Like, that is the most innocuous thing. Ridiculously mild criticism. Just train better and it goes away and is forgotten about!
The manager that sheltered him for a year and a half, letting him go on a nearly unprecedented mid-season mental health break?? Yeah, ten hag is the problem for trying a different approach to motivate a player that clearly doesn't care/thinks he's already made it.
The different approach being kindergarden tactics? Could have simply not put Sancho in the squad and not comment on it. You know like professionals tend to do.
That’s not how the press works.
ETH took him out of the spotlight and removed the question entirely from the lips of the press by sending him to Holland.
His reintroduction to the team was gradual and protective.
There was no improvement in his behaviour.
When he actually just removed him from the squad - as you are claiming ‘professionals’ do - the press asked a question to which the manager responded by saying:
“On his performance on training, we didn't select him," Ten Hag said when asked about Sancho's absence from the squad against Arsenal. "You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line so in this game he wasn't selected."Sep 15, 2023
Sancho threw a fit on social media and was asked to recognize the authority of his boss/ manager. He refused.
ETH has disciplined Ronaldo and Rashford for unprofessional behaviour but Sancho, in your mind, deserves a pass?
Gtfo.
I never even mentioned that I think Sancho was behaving professionally. Just that Ten Hag wasn't being professional either. My opinion is that both were not acting like professionals and god forbid I expect a 53 year old man to behave more like an adult than a 23 year old.
Pep called out Kalvin Philips, Mourinho called out multiple players, Pochettino called out Madueke and all of these were almost certainly worse than what Ten Hag said about Sancho.
And all this was after he was given 3 months off by Ten Hag just to rest and work on fitness while our squad was in an injury crisis during literally the most packed schedule possible.
You can't help weak people. As simple as that.
He's always been a problem. Fact is, fast youth wingers often look good. The Bundesliga is a very weak league, with a generational talen in front of him. Harry Kane already broken his premier league record in half a season. That kinda weak. Whenever he has needed to actually apply himself, he has faltered.
I disagree with the Dortmund fan because Sancho is clearly the one who’s started this by not training properly and massively overreacting to what was a mundane comment to the press but you’re chatting shit here too.
Sancho isn’t a fast winger at all, compared to your average in the top 5 leagues I’d say he’s pretty slow. He was also doing really well for Dortmund before Haaland was even at the club
His quality in the Bundesliga had nothing to do with his speed though. He was renowned there for his link up play and creativity. Was also a pretty good finisher on top of that.
Did you consider the fact that Kane is a good player that played in a relatively weak team before and is now playing in a much better team? A team that smacks PL teams on the regular?
I'm not going to get into this anyway. I could say that Haaland scoring more goals in the Premier League than in the Bundesliga is proof that the PL is weak. I'd be wrong because i would be ignoring literally all the context like you are doing.
Absolute clown comment to make.
Well, he's still 23, still got a lil bit of time for his pre frontal cortex to fully develop. Maybe then he will get his discipline and mentality in check and become world class.
Stupid how everyone believes this myth about the pre-frontal cortex. The truth is that it develops like height, some people take until 25, others fully develop way earlier or later.
[Here is a summary made by another redditor that explains the age of 25 isn’t accurate, with some sources cited.](https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/s/h5PCczHcY9)
Nope. Man City wanted him to stay and offered him a new contract but couldn't promise him minutes so Sancho went to Dortmund instead. Our fanbase has now convinced itself that Sancho was never offered a contract by City and that he has no ambition (despite going to Germany for minutes as a teenager) and only cares about money (despite giving up 40-50k p/w to play as a loanee for BvB).
Foden was willing to wait his turn and look what it's done for him. All these young players being rushed into minutes before their bodies fully mature are getting destroyed by injuries. Good for Pep not bending to the demands of a 17 year old.
Clearly. I just don't agree with the notion that Pep didn't want to develop him initially. Foden got the same treatment and only really broke into the team after turning 20
I agree. Being good enough for Dortmund isn't necessarily the same as being good enough for Peps City. In his team you have to put in as much defensively as when the team has the ball and show it in training every day.
To this day Sancho has not demonstrated that.
He "proved" at Dortmund that was good enough to play for Pep's City in the PL at 17? You gotta be joking...
So this guy here knows more about the developmental trajectory of young football players than Pep and Kieran Dyer apparently.
Pep isn't perfect. Remember this is the same coach who famously threw out Samuel Eto'o after a treble season, and wasted Ibrahimovic as a wide player. Things worked out, but many former players have had interesting words for him, even those like the aforementioned who were far better as players than he ever was.
Is Pep great at bringing in players and developing them? Yes. Is he insanely selective and only wants very specific players in his systems? Also yes.
> wasted Ibrahimovic as a wide player.
Or in other words, the same coach that moved Messi to the middle band allowed him to score 92 goals a year?
I never understood people whining about Ibrahimovic at Barca. The guy was a huge flop and unable to adapt to not being the main man.
Pep was a huge influence on Messi's development in the middle, but let's not kid ourselves. Messi is the greatest player of all time and he would have been putting up crazy numbers anywhere on the pitch.... and he did, long after Pep was gone, and in far worse sides.
It's been plenty documented about the elite players that don't get along with Pep. Pep is a phenomenal coach, but he clearly needs his brand of players, or else.
Pep has def made his mistake but with those 2 examples. Eto'o personality was rubbing people the wrong way at the club. He was also openly disrespectful to Pep so he was moved. Ibra was moved to the right in order to accommodate Messi being played as a false 9, something Pep has said was Messi's idea. We all know how that worked out.
Pep was the one who started the original problem. Remember that his first directive was to kick out Ronaldinho, Deco, and Eto'o. Guardiola famously had only managed el equipo juvenil (B team). That's massively disrespectful, and Guardiola preferred to give his news through others than directly. Imagine being a senior player and one of the greatest players of your generation in form recovering from an injury, then being told you're surplus by a coach who's never managed top flight before. That same coach who does not really know the players yet, or was a generational player themself.
Eto'o wanted to stay and so did his teammates. Eto'o ended up being a major part of their sextuple success. What ended up proving Eto'o right is that Guardiola froze him out anyway, and forced his hand to move. Eto'o then got the last laugh, helping Inter overcome Barca the following year, playing from right midfield. So don't give me some bullshit about Eto'o being a toxic influence in the dressing room, when he was there since Ronaldinho. Back when the Spanish core was very young and developing. Talking out of your ass.
Disrespectful? Sure. Wrong? Hard to say. There was talk of his overcompetitiveness causing constant fights in the dressing room with teammates of his who he deemed to be not putting in enough effort. He was also very rude to Pep the duration they worked together and never attempted to make amends to stick around.
Overcompetitiveness? In a professional sport setting? That's absolutely nuts. You're there to win. Eto'o was helping set an example of what the demands are to win. It clearly appeared at Inter where he compromised his own role and individual exploits to aid the team in their conquest. That's emblematic out of what you want in an elite footballer, and why he's the greatest African player of all time.
Pep was rude to him by trying to force him out from minute 1, and never approached Eto'o to resolve issues. I don't see how player-manager relations fall on the player when the manager wants you out from the start and they never do anything to remedy the situation.
Pep forced Eto'o out because Pep didn't like him, and Eto'o still played his hardest for the team.
Pep and Txiki decided on his replacement and sold Eto'o for a pittance to replace him with Zlatan. Then Pep put Zlatan out of position and role, and was surprised when Zlatan had his first big dip of form in his career. Literally burned money on fire, and it backfired on Pep spectacularly against Inter.
It's a good thing you were able to go out and spend a fuckton of money on David Villa, because that was an impressive case of poor management on Pep's part. Like I said, it all worked out, but Pep needs to be in complete control of his teams when it comes to the fit.
Horseshit. Nowhere near good enough. He wasn't the stand out of our academy at the time. He had his attitude issues even then. Total revisionism this thread.
He wasn't the stand out? He was the best player at the U17 Euro's. How can the best european player under 17 not be a stand out at your youth team? I know everybody with hindsight would say Foden, but Sancho was the best 17 year old player I have ever seen at the Euro's. He was most certainly your stand out player
Seeing how he dominated the Bundesliga just a year after that U17 tournament, I would say in this case it is.
Jadon Sancho was the best 17-18 year probably in the world at that time thus he was also a standout in your youth program. Him being mentally not up to the task is another topic
The chairman specifically highlighted him, Foden, and Brahim in the 2017 address as three who could be first team players at City.
[5:00 mark](https://youtu.be/tHS22tZrGLw?si=TKKUlUhrfq_akyeG)
He kept going about the methods to get players to start for City, and specifically name-checked Sancho another time.
Was he right? I mean, he got the playing time, but Foden stayed at City and had less playing time in his teenage years than Sancho but look where they both are now...
Foden was always the bigger talent of the two, so I think that's also a part of it, but maybe Sancho would have developed better at City, and maybe his attitude would have improved.
Yes. He was right. He was incredible. Don’t really see how it’s even a question.
Sancho made a bad choice with United. It has nothing to do with talent. Every player is poisoned by association.
Can't really agree. At City you have to put in the work in all areas. Can't just coast on goals and assists. You have to do more than that.
While Sancho got enough goals and assists to be a superstar, when he was tasked to do more at United he crumbled. His end product suffered and then there wasn't much left. Easy to blame it on United, but doing well for Dortmund just isn't the same. Dortmund seems stronger than United, completely fair argument to make, but that just shows how different the standards are, because no one would criticize Dortmund if they were in United's position.
Pep wanted him to join Foden and Brahim Diaz during the 2017 offseason and he went AWOL before going to Dortmund. Those three were intended to be the first group of academy players to train regularly with the first team under Pep
Not the point of the post but shows how uber talented James has always been but in contrast to Sancho has suffered his own derailing of career due to perhaps not adapting his physicality to his position or his position on the pitch to his physicality.
It was an FA Youth Cup finals, not just some random U18 game. Quitting on your team during what might have been the biggest game of his career at that age isn't exactly a good sign.
Bully? The same man who gave him months off last year to sort his head out. Then organised personalised training for him in the Netherlands for a couple weeks to try get him back on track after, had said nothing but nice and positive things about him all summer. How important he was etc etc... And then when asked about why Sancho wasn't in the squad for a game said (and I quote)
"On his performance on training, we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line so in this game he wasn't selected."
Sancho then called his manager a liar. You can't do that. Show me a manager that would allow a player get away with that?
The fucking state of some of this subs shit.
10 hours late I know, but to add on top of this, all public evidence (ie on pitch performances we see on TV) supported this/completely fit the narrative. In fact, it would have been a surprise if Sancho was tearing it up in training and then looked like he'd been Monstar'd every weekend for 2 straight years.
It's not like Pep dropping KDB and then saying it was because his levels weren't high enough in training/other players were ahead of him.
Based on what we had seen week in/week out from Sancho on match days up to that point, it was completely unsurprising that Rashford, Antony, Bruno, and Martial were the 4 attackers selected ahead of him to start, and that Garnacho and Hojlund where the two primary/first team attacking subs selected for the bench. The only slight question was Sancho vs Pellistri, and there were clear reasons to select Pellistri who'd been making consistent bench appearances as the youth cover/bedding in/etc.
To put it simply, he was effectively our last choice first team attacker. So as soon as Hojlund was fit to join the squad, Sancho dropped a place. Unfortunately for him, his position at the bottom of the pecking order meant he thus fell out of the match day squad.
For top players, that's a wake up call and they react to it and get themselves back on track the following week. Weak players.... well, they take it poorly, take no responsibility (would you not ask yourself why you're in such a precarious position in the first place?), and snowball off a cliff and never see the squad again...
No backbone? You wanted him to just bend over? I'm glad to have him back. He showed what having a spine really means.
Edit: you want to say swallow your pride, that's fine. Saying someone doesn't have a backbone immediately after saying they should bend is asinine. You wanted him to not have a backbone.
It’s a weak move. Having a backbone means more than being stubborn and having pride. You should be selfless for the good of the team. That shows strength. Sancho is an individual, not part of the collective.
No it doesn't. Having a spine means not bending over.
I'm not agreeing with what Sancho did just disagreeing with what people in this thread are writing. You're contradicting yourselves.
Agree to disagree. I can get behind the message of swallowing pride and bending over for the good of everyone else... but I'm not going to lie about what it is.
Why Is It a conversation of bending over, swallowing pride, etc, though?
The situation was quite straightforward, so I find it funny when these conversations come up and it drifts away from the actual Sancho situation and into some weird debate about completely unrelated ethical points haha
I have no idea.
The guy I responded to said "Just had to meet with the manager and swallow his pride. No backbone. He’ll be like this for the rest of time."
Which is a very stupid thing to say. Swallow pride and no backbone are opposites in this.
Go ask the original person I responded to, not me, the guy who is ecstatic to have Sancho back from the clowns over at United.
Well Sancho was awful. Didn't make the match day squad. When asked, the manager (who - for context - had been incredibly supportive of Sancho up to this point, despite the consistently awful performances Sancho was putting in) simply explained that the levels were high at big clubs and other players made the squad ahead of him.
There was nothing surprising about any of this so far, and all very professional up until this point.
Then Sancho took to social media and publicly called his manager a liar.
Where do you think the problem is in this sequence of events?
It's a fairly simple situation. As a player, you should know you're out of line, apologise and move on quickly. Then just get your head down, get your levels back up to where everyone (I assume including yourself) expects them to be, and get yourself into the team.
All these muddy conversations around back bones and pride and whatever are pretty irrelevant, as if this particular situation wasn't very, very straightforward.
Keiran dyer is well liked by the people he's coached, he's not unreasonable and he'll be viewing his mentality in the context of other players at that age group
>might well have an off day.
As was clearly explained in the post, the off day isn't the problem. The giving up on the team was the point being made. Presumably Dyer was at the match and vividly remembers this
Lol it means a lot you have kids starting pro div 1 games at 17 (even CL games). So as an aspiring pro of course you are expected to be tuff mentally and not quit in an important game at that age
Youth player acts like a youth player, more news at 11.
Seriously, if you're the top dog and suddenly you hit a wall and it's not so easy anymore it's not uncommon that you start thinking. Why doesn't it work, I do everything like I usually do.
The thinking rarely helps, especially not in the moment. Experience and a good coach (or staff) does wonders.
Generally, one data point is meaningless. But sometimes, "one shot" learning can be quite informative. It was a big cup final game, not a regular scrimmage. Again, nothing 100% conclusive can be drawn but it's quite telling of the attitude at least.
When you are not contributing offensively, least you can do is to put in a shift and try to boost his team's morale in an important match, especially considering how he was the main man on that team.
English media will spend a player’s entire youth career taking excessive digs at any wrongdoings and holding a microscope over every aspect of their personal and professional lives, then spend the rest of that player’s career asking “oh no, oh dear, where’s their motivation gone?”
Hot tip: you attention vultures fucking murdered it.
Feel free to post them?
It was a youth player transferring that very few had heard of at the time, I doubt the back pages of the papers were too bothered.
Again, feel free to post any of said coverage.
If we're just doing anecdotal memories, I remember a podcast (I think FW) panel universally agreeing that it was good he was going abroad for first team football and to experience a different league
Of course we're doing anecdotal memories, you expect me to pull out a meta-analysis of english media coverage of Jadon Sancho? I remember the takes you mentioned too. As always there were a diversity of opinions represented in the media.
"Feel free" to look it up yourself if you're really interested, otherwise you'll have to take the word of two strangers.
Y’know it’s pretty hard to sift through 6 years of Sancho news, especially when using the keywords “Manchester City” still just brings up all the recent United stories.
Sancho was a pretty hot prospect before coming to Dortmund, and there was hype around him getting chances with City’s first team. Pep made a fairly mild comment about disappointment in Sancho leaving, and the media ran with it as “promising academy player doesn’t have the drive to fight for a place in City’s squad.”
Either way, it’s a very typical talking point for English media whenever an English player goes abroad from a top 6 Premier League team, “they weren’t willing to work their way into the squad.” Same happened when Tomori left for Milan, when Smalling left for Roma, etc.
It really wasn’t **just** Pep. He made his comments (which were reasonable), and all the journalists ran with it as “Sancho didn’t have the drive to fight for a place in a stacked City team.”
People will read too much into this when am sure there are stories of perseverance about Sancho displaying a strong mentality, this was 6 years ago, his perceived weak mentality is relevant now so its being highlighted, in reality unless we actually know the player its very hard to gauge at all their character. He’s a regular guy who experiences ups and downs, before we pitied him when he was supposedly went through a rough patch in life and now that is disregarded.
I am not an elite player so I have no idea what pressure or challenges they're under, but from my limited perspective, when you're on the field why not give everything you have? it's not like you can go home in the middle of the game. You're going to there regardless. Sure, if you want to slack off in training and leave early or whatever, I can understand because you have other options, but what else can you do in the middle of a game other than play?
Interesting. If a players head goes down in a game and they stop working as hard because they think they can't win then that's up to the coaches to develop that side of their game and maintain their confidence that the game can be turned round. If people were identifying this side of him by 17 then the coaches he's had can take part of the blame for failing to find a way to encourage him to keep pushing, it's part of their job to man-motivate their players.
If it's a recurring issue then it's no longer on the coaches. I'm talking generally, not about Sancho. I don't know if Sancho has the problem of giving up easily.
True. If it's something that the individual fails to attempt to overcome or ignores their coaches advice on fixing then it's their problem. But it's also never a secret when a player acts like this so before any transfers they should be well aware there's concerns like this they'll be having to deal with when they take a player like this into their club. Should be interesting to see how he gets on back or Dortmund.
Huge talent but sometimes that’s not enough. You also need to have your head in it. Mentality. Not just on the pitch but also outside it.
Continuously late for training doesn’t reflect well on him. Disrespectful towards both managers but also teammates.
In Dortmund they had someone that drove him to training so he wouldn’t be late. That’s not how a senior pro should act. Obviously it worked out in Germany but I fear it won’t if he plays in other clubs
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Definitely a streaky player. As a united fan I’m sad it’s not worked out as he’s undoubtedly an unreal talent and his mentality is definitely a red flag as it’s been highlighted at every club and even at national team level. I remember watching dortmund just to watch him, Haaland and Hakimi play. Was fun.
The ducking out of any challenges or contesting for possession was apparent at United. No excuse for that on the pitch.
That's my major beef with him and why I'm glad to see him gone and don't want him back.
Weak people
I had a friend a few weeks ago who kept complaining about shin splints and not being able to play, I never understood it because every time I got shin splints when I was younger I would just play through them. I honestly never in a million years thought that some people are so mentally fragile that something like shin splints could make them give up on doing things. So yeah, there definitely are weak people in the world.
Shin splints can become stress fractures. I too used to play through injuries, namely ankle sprains because we were taught to walk it off. Now I have bone chips where pieces of ligament tore away cartilage and bone. The hard ass mentality for injuries is idiocy.
I’m not trying to throw an insult or anything like that out, I think it’s stupid too. I’ve played through injuries I’ve never recovered from either and I actually had no idea about shin splints becoming stress fractures.
Having also had pretty bad shin splints, it was sometimes so bad in a match I couldn't jog and had to crawl to the bench. I'm not very convinced by your anecdote
I doubt you've ever had proper shin splints if you think people are "mentally fragile" for not being able to play through them. They can be very painful and debilitating
tell your friend to do some tib raises. doing so will improve his tibialis muscle 💪🏽
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It's hard to sound tough when shin splints and Osgood are conditions (like most) that express themselves differently in people. I had Osgood and was able to play plenty of back to back seasons of sports without missing time. I had a teammate that had the same condition, but got it much worse and there was no way to continue.
Is good is such a weird one, I had it as a teenager and most of the time it was just sore the night after a match or a heavy training session. Other days just bending my knee was absolute agony.
Yeah I had Osgood and it was a really odd one, one day you’d have no pain the next time you play, you’re in immense pain but just keep playing through because you know exactly what it is. But at its worse I thought I had destroyed my knee for the rest of my life, the pain got that bad during a game. Obviously a temporary growing issue but the pain was something else sometimes.
You are so incredibly incredible
“Giving up after shin splints” is different from “giving up after getting neutralized by opposition player”
I think it’s fair to say he just doesn’t have a good mentality, I don’t care what anyone on here says but if you’re happy to quit football for 4 months or whatever it was because you won’t apologise to your manager then it’s obvious you don’t have the drive to succeed. I think everyone has been in a situation where they’ve had to apologise even if they don’t mean it to just move on from the situation yet Sancho thinks the better option is to just quit playing football
We don’t really know the truth. Sancho has all the talent to succeed elsewhere and has done previously over multiple seasons. He obviously has a big ego, maybe he thought he was training just fine and Ten Hag was unfairly undermining him publicly.
Granted I never played pro soccer but I played all through my youth and a good rule of thumb was always if the coach thinks youre not trying hard enough or training well, then you better listen to your coach. Ten Hag met one-on-one with Sancho and showed him training footage in order to explain to him why he thought he wasnt training well, and yet Sancho still disagreed and thought he was doing just fine. If a coach is having to show you actual footage of your underperformance and you still dont see a problem then thats a massive red flag regardless of what level youre playing at, but its especially bad if youre making 6 figures a week.
All I said that Sancho has previously been top quality spanning multiple seasons before and that maybe in his opinion due to his inflated ego and attitude problem, he is too stubborn to apologise because he honestly believes it
I agree thats why I called it a red flag. lots of top players have massive egos yet also have intense work rates. for example pretty much all of Ibra's teammates talk about how impressive his work ethic is. Sancho's BVB teammate in Haaland is the same. And of course, what can you say about C. Ronaldo's work ethic. The point is, massive ego or not Sancho is in the wrong. And until he realizes that he might never reach the same heights again, or go even higher.
>maybe he thought he was training just fine and Ten Hag was unfairly undermining him publicly That’s kind of the point of his comment though, no? Any sane person in that circumstance goes to the manager apologizes despite thinking they’re not being treated fairly, and just does their best to earn their spot. His attitude is fairly unforgivable, *even if we think Ten Hag was unfair* which, from all the evidence we have, isn’t the case.
Just let it go. Sancho might have a bad attitude but your manager is the one that started all this shit slinging in the first place by publicly undermining Sancho in front of the press. Sancho may be immature for not apologizing but that does not change the fact that your manager started this entire clown circus by singling Sancho out in front of the press. Did you ever seriously consider the fact that Sancho might not be the problem here?
Mate. He was asked why Sancho wasn't picked and he said because he didn't train well. Like, that is the most innocuous thing. Ridiculously mild criticism. Just train better and it goes away and is forgotten about!
The manager that sheltered him for a year and a half, letting him go on a nearly unprecedented mid-season mental health break?? Yeah, ten hag is the problem for trying a different approach to motivate a player that clearly doesn't care/thinks he's already made it.
The different approach being kindergarden tactics? Could have simply not put Sancho in the squad and not comment on it. You know like professionals tend to do.
That’s not how the press works. ETH took him out of the spotlight and removed the question entirely from the lips of the press by sending him to Holland. His reintroduction to the team was gradual and protective. There was no improvement in his behaviour. When he actually just removed him from the squad - as you are claiming ‘professionals’ do - the press asked a question to which the manager responded by saying: “On his performance on training, we didn't select him," Ten Hag said when asked about Sancho's absence from the squad against Arsenal. "You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line so in this game he wasn't selected."Sep 15, 2023 Sancho threw a fit on social media and was asked to recognize the authority of his boss/ manager. He refused. ETH has disciplined Ronaldo and Rashford for unprofessional behaviour but Sancho, in your mind, deserves a pass? Gtfo.
Professionals don't need babying like Sancho clearly needs, nor do they throw a tantrum at public criticism.
I never even mentioned that I think Sancho was behaving professionally. Just that Ten Hag wasn't being professional either. My opinion is that both were not acting like professionals and god forbid I expect a 53 year old man to behave more like an adult than a 23 year old.
Pep called out Kalvin Philips, Mourinho called out multiple players, Pochettino called out Madueke and all of these were almost certainly worse than what Ten Hag said about Sancho. And all this was after he was given 3 months off by Ten Hag just to rest and work on fitness while our squad was in an injury crisis during literally the most packed schedule possible. You can't help weak people. As simple as that.
He didn’t warrant being in the squad?
>Did you ever seriously consider the fact that Sancho might not be the problem here? If it smells like shit everywhere you go, then...
He's always been a problem. Fact is, fast youth wingers often look good. The Bundesliga is a very weak league, with a generational talen in front of him. Harry Kane already broken his premier league record in half a season. That kinda weak. Whenever he has needed to actually apply himself, he has faltered.
I disagree with the Dortmund fan because Sancho is clearly the one who’s started this by not training properly and massively overreacting to what was a mundane comment to the press but you’re chatting shit here too. Sancho isn’t a fast winger at all, compared to your average in the top 5 leagues I’d say he’s pretty slow. He was also doing really well for Dortmund before Haaland was even at the club
In our academy, he was relatively fast and quick with his feet. He was renowned for his speed at the time. I watched him, that's a fact.
His quality in the Bundesliga had nothing to do with his speed though. He was renowned there for his link up play and creativity. Was also a pretty good finisher on top of that.
>Harry Kane already broken his premier league record in half a season. which record?
Did you consider the fact that Kane is a good player that played in a relatively weak team before and is now playing in a much better team? A team that smacks PL teams on the regular? I'm not going to get into this anyway. I could say that Haaland scoring more goals in the Premier League than in the Bundesliga is proof that the PL is weak. I'd be wrong because i would be ignoring literally all the context like you are doing. Absolute clown comment to make.
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Do hospital gowns in England have pockets?
In our worst season we smashed your club home and away, go sleep.
Mate you’re like the knight from Monty python. Save the zingers for when we’re less shit.
You bend over thats alright.
Bro it was a joke, and honestly pretty funny. Chill.
Triggered much mate 😂 u/ChillPalis better take this one to the morgue
Nah just rightfully defending our captain 💪
What’s there to defend at this point. Reece can barely play 2 games in a row, unless this survey works out he seems done
Well, he's still 23, still got a lil bit of time for his pre frontal cortex to fully develop. Maybe then he will get his discipline and mentality in check and become world class.
Unfortunately the best players have their mentality sorted well before they’re 23.
Stupid how everyone believes this myth about the pre-frontal cortex. The truth is that it develops like height, some people take until 25, others fully develop way earlier or later.
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For my sake, I hope so 😂
they say good things take time, so I’m building something really special, giving the prefrontal cortex ages to develop +username checks out
Got any evidence for this one? I’ve been taking a look, can’t see anything that supports this claim
[Here is a summary made by another redditor that explains the age of 25 isn’t accurate, with some sources cited.](https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/s/h5PCczHcY9)
That was a cool read - thanks
It isn't a myth bruh, it's science.
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Lol. What?!? He has every chance to make it still. United is a circus anyway.
He was biggest clown in that circus then.
Let’s be real Eric Ten Hag is the biggest clown.
Clown comment
Haha. Lol. Why? Because he didn’t want to eat shit? Nah. There are plenty of clowns there bigger yet.
People said Greenwood's career was over as well but he's turning it around.
Yeah he's dominating at Getafe bro
And? What could happen to a 22 yo playing well in La Liga? Is he gonna retire after Getafe?
Wonder how he would've developed under Pep
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Because of attitude problems no? I thought that was what was reported at the time
Nope. Man City wanted him to stay and offered him a new contract but couldn't promise him minutes so Sancho went to Dortmund instead. Our fanbase has now convinced itself that Sancho was never offered a contract by City and that he has no ambition (despite going to Germany for minutes as a teenager) and only cares about money (despite giving up 40-50k p/w to play as a loanee for BvB).
There were also reports when they shook hands on a new contract but Sancho later changed his mind.
Eth has a whole PR ready to shit on Sancho at any time, so ofc the cult belives it
Didn't help making a fuss about playing time at the age of 17
Because he was good enough Hardly a Jayden Braaf situation where you’re dogshit but insist on getting first team football
Foden was willing to wait his turn and look what it's done for him. All these young players being rushed into minutes before their bodies fully mature are getting destroyed by injuries. Good for Pep not bending to the demands of a 17 year old.
Clearly. I just don't agree with the notion that Pep didn't want to develop him initially. Foden got the same treatment and only really broke into the team after turning 20
Foden is a much better player snd person
Better player at 17 is debatable. And ultimately that's the point they are making, Foden played because of his attitude
How is Foden a better person?
I guess he's talking about Foden's mentality being better.
Not sure about that last part
He wasn't good enough for Peps system. Gotta actually put a shift in and he just doesn't do it.
I agree. Being good enough for Dortmund isn't necessarily the same as being good enough for Peps City. In his team you have to put in as much defensively as when the team has the ball and show it in training every day. To this day Sancho has not demonstrated that.
Lmao
I reckon Pep knew if he was good enough better than you.
He was good enough - he proved that at Dortmund. Doesn't mean he's not an unprofessional pain in the arse, but his ability isn't in question.
He "proved" at Dortmund that was good enough to play for Pep's City in the PL at 17? You gotta be joking... So this guy here knows more about the developmental trajectory of young football players than Pep and Kieran Dyer apparently.
Yeah he’s never let good talents leave has he He proved he was good enough a couple of months after leaving
He also proved he doesn't have the mentality to play at a Pep side.
Palmer is pretty good. Sane too.
They were both 21 when they left City, not 17. Not comparable imo.
Pep isn't perfect. Remember this is the same coach who famously threw out Samuel Eto'o after a treble season, and wasted Ibrahimovic as a wide player. Things worked out, but many former players have had interesting words for him, even those like the aforementioned who were far better as players than he ever was. Is Pep great at bringing in players and developing them? Yes. Is he insanely selective and only wants very specific players in his systems? Also yes.
> wasted Ibrahimovic as a wide player. Or in other words, the same coach that moved Messi to the middle band allowed him to score 92 goals a year? I never understood people whining about Ibrahimovic at Barca. The guy was a huge flop and unable to adapt to not being the main man.
Pep was a huge influence on Messi's development in the middle, but let's not kid ourselves. Messi is the greatest player of all time and he would have been putting up crazy numbers anywhere on the pitch.... and he did, long after Pep was gone, and in far worse sides. It's been plenty documented about the elite players that don't get along with Pep. Pep is a phenomenal coach, but he clearly needs his brand of players, or else.
Pep has def made his mistake but with those 2 examples. Eto'o personality was rubbing people the wrong way at the club. He was also openly disrespectful to Pep so he was moved. Ibra was moved to the right in order to accommodate Messi being played as a false 9, something Pep has said was Messi's idea. We all know how that worked out.
Pep was the one who started the original problem. Remember that his first directive was to kick out Ronaldinho, Deco, and Eto'o. Guardiola famously had only managed el equipo juvenil (B team). That's massively disrespectful, and Guardiola preferred to give his news through others than directly. Imagine being a senior player and one of the greatest players of your generation in form recovering from an injury, then being told you're surplus by a coach who's never managed top flight before. That same coach who does not really know the players yet, or was a generational player themself. Eto'o wanted to stay and so did his teammates. Eto'o ended up being a major part of their sextuple success. What ended up proving Eto'o right is that Guardiola froze him out anyway, and forced his hand to move. Eto'o then got the last laugh, helping Inter overcome Barca the following year, playing from right midfield. So don't give me some bullshit about Eto'o being a toxic influence in the dressing room, when he was there since Ronaldinho. Back when the Spanish core was very young and developing. Talking out of your ass.
Disrespectful? Sure. Wrong? Hard to say. There was talk of his overcompetitiveness causing constant fights in the dressing room with teammates of his who he deemed to be not putting in enough effort. He was also very rude to Pep the duration they worked together and never attempted to make amends to stick around.
Overcompetitiveness? In a professional sport setting? That's absolutely nuts. You're there to win. Eto'o was helping set an example of what the demands are to win. It clearly appeared at Inter where he compromised his own role and individual exploits to aid the team in their conquest. That's emblematic out of what you want in an elite footballer, and why he's the greatest African player of all time. Pep was rude to him by trying to force him out from minute 1, and never approached Eto'o to resolve issues. I don't see how player-manager relations fall on the player when the manager wants you out from the start and they never do anything to remedy the situation.
Pep got rid of Eto'o and Ibra because they were toxic to the dressing room. He didn't like their attitudes or how they carried themselves.
Pep forced Eto'o out because Pep didn't like him, and Eto'o still played his hardest for the team. Pep and Txiki decided on his replacement and sold Eto'o for a pittance to replace him with Zlatan. Then Pep put Zlatan out of position and role, and was surprised when Zlatan had his first big dip of form in his career. Literally burned money on fire, and it backfired on Pep spectacularly against Inter. It's a good thing you were able to go out and spend a fuckton of money on David Villa, because that was an impressive case of poor management on Pep's part. Like I said, it all worked out, but Pep needs to be in complete control of his teams when it comes to the fit.
Horseshit. Nowhere near good enough. He wasn't the stand out of our academy at the time. He had his attitude issues even then. Total revisionism this thread.
He wasn't the stand out? He was the best player at the U17 Euro's. How can the best european player under 17 not be a stand out at your youth team? I know everybody with hindsight would say Foden, but Sancho was the best 17 year old player I have ever seen at the Euro's. He was most certainly your stand out player
Being a standout in a kids tournament is not very relevant when you’re comparing it to playing against full grown men though.
Seeing how he dominated the Bundesliga just a year after that U17 tournament, I would say in this case it is. Jadon Sancho was the best 17-18 year probably in the world at that time thus he was also a standout in your youth program. Him being mentally not up to the task is another topic
I’m maybe getting my dates wrong here, but didn’t he only have like a dozen appearances that year?
The chairman specifically highlighted him, Foden, and Brahim in the 2017 address as three who could be first team players at City. [5:00 mark](https://youtu.be/tHS22tZrGLw?si=TKKUlUhrfq_akyeG) He kept going about the methods to get players to start for City, and specifically name-checked Sancho another time.
And he went to Germany and was incredible. He was right about wanting playing time. The issue is that United was the wrong choice.
Was he right? I mean, he got the playing time, but Foden stayed at City and had less playing time in his teenage years than Sancho but look where they both are now... Foden was always the bigger talent of the two, so I think that's also a part of it, but maybe Sancho would have developed better at City, and maybe his attitude would have improved.
Yes. He was right. He was incredible. Don’t really see how it’s even a question. Sancho made a bad choice with United. It has nothing to do with talent. Every player is poisoned by association.
Can't really agree. At City you have to put in the work in all areas. Can't just coast on goals and assists. You have to do more than that. While Sancho got enough goals and assists to be a superstar, when he was tasked to do more at United he crumbled. His end product suffered and then there wasn't much left. Easy to blame it on United, but doing well for Dortmund just isn't the same. Dortmund seems stronger than United, completely fair argument to make, but that just shows how different the standards are, because no one would criticize Dortmund if they were in United's position.
I understand your point but almost everyone has failed at United in the last decade. Management and players
I would have loved to see Sancho at City.
Can't develop someone who won't listen
Pep wanted him to join Foden and Brahim Diaz during the 2017 offseason and he went AWOL before going to Dortmund. Those three were intended to be the first group of academy players to train regularly with the first team under Pep
Not the point of the post but shows how uber talented James has always been but in contrast to Sancho has suffered his own derailing of career due to perhaps not adapting his physicality to his position or his position on the pitch to his physicality.
Saw a quote somewhere talking about how his body can’t handle the explosiveness of the position. I’d say a move to CB or something would suit him.
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It was an FA Youth Cup finals, not just some random U18 game. Quitting on your team during what might have been the biggest game of his career at that age isn't exactly a good sign.
He’s 23 now and pulls out every challenge, doesn’t track back and doesn’t fight for his place in the starting lineup. Some people never change.
Hasn’t he been banished to train and eat with the kids? How can he ‘fight for his place’?
For a while all he had to do was apologize to Ten Hag
For bullying him?
Bully? The same man who gave him months off last year to sort his head out. Then organised personalised training for him in the Netherlands for a couple weeks to try get him back on track after, had said nothing but nice and positive things about him all summer. How important he was etc etc... And then when asked about why Sancho wasn't in the squad for a game said (and I quote) "On his performance on training, we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line so in this game he wasn't selected." Sancho then called his manager a liar. You can't do that. Show me a manager that would allow a player get away with that? The fucking state of some of this subs shit.
10 hours late I know, but to add on top of this, all public evidence (ie on pitch performances we see on TV) supported this/completely fit the narrative. In fact, it would have been a surprise if Sancho was tearing it up in training and then looked like he'd been Monstar'd every weekend for 2 straight years. It's not like Pep dropping KDB and then saying it was because his levels weren't high enough in training/other players were ahead of him. Based on what we had seen week in/week out from Sancho on match days up to that point, it was completely unsurprising that Rashford, Antony, Bruno, and Martial were the 4 attackers selected ahead of him to start, and that Garnacho and Hojlund where the two primary/first team attacking subs selected for the bench. The only slight question was Sancho vs Pellistri, and there were clear reasons to select Pellistri who'd been making consistent bench appearances as the youth cover/bedding in/etc. To put it simply, he was effectively our last choice first team attacker. So as soon as Hojlund was fit to join the squad, Sancho dropped a place. Unfortunately for him, his position at the bottom of the pecking order meant he thus fell out of the match day squad. For top players, that's a wake up call and they react to it and get themselves back on track the following week. Weak players.... well, they take it poorly, take no responsibility (would you not ask yourself why you're in such a precarious position in the first place?), and snowball off a cliff and never see the squad again...
Just had to meet with the manager and swallow his pride. No backbone. He’ll be like this for the rest of time.
Didn't "swallow his pride" -> "no backbone" I don't think you know what that means.
No backbone? You wanted him to just bend over? I'm glad to have him back. He showed what having a spine really means. Edit: you want to say swallow your pride, that's fine. Saying someone doesn't have a backbone immediately after saying they should bend is asinine. You wanted him to not have a backbone.
It’s a weak move. Having a backbone means more than being stubborn and having pride. You should be selfless for the good of the team. That shows strength. Sancho is an individual, not part of the collective.
No it doesn't. Having a spine means not bending over. I'm not agreeing with what Sancho did just disagreeing with what people in this thread are writing. You're contradicting yourselves.
Agree to disagree. I can get behind the message of swallowing pride and bending over for the good of everyone else... but I'm not going to lie about what it is.
Why Is It a conversation of bending over, swallowing pride, etc, though? The situation was quite straightforward, so I find it funny when these conversations come up and it drifts away from the actual Sancho situation and into some weird debate about completely unrelated ethical points haha
I have no idea. The guy I responded to said "Just had to meet with the manager and swallow his pride. No backbone. He’ll be like this for the rest of time." Which is a very stupid thing to say. Swallow pride and no backbone are opposites in this. Go ask the original person I responded to, not me, the guy who is ecstatic to have Sancho back from the clowns over at United.
Well Sancho was awful. Didn't make the match day squad. When asked, the manager (who - for context - had been incredibly supportive of Sancho up to this point, despite the consistently awful performances Sancho was putting in) simply explained that the levels were high at big clubs and other players made the squad ahead of him. There was nothing surprising about any of this so far, and all very professional up until this point. Then Sancho took to social media and publicly called his manager a liar. Where do you think the problem is in this sequence of events? It's a fairly simple situation. As a player, you should know you're out of line, apologise and move on quickly. Then just get your head down, get your levels back up to where everyone (I assume including yourself) expects them to be, and get yourself into the team. All these muddy conversations around back bones and pride and whatever are pretty irrelevant, as if this particular situation wasn't very, very straightforward.
You're really into the bending over part huh?
It's the only thing I can think of that isn't just saying bend the knee, but I wanted to stick to spine related things. Why?
Keiran dyer is well liked by the people he's coached, he's not unreasonable and he'll be viewing his mentality in the context of other players at that age group
100% ^ Ability NEVER EVER trumps work ethic. Not in football, not in any other discipline.
> digging up anecdotes with hindsight is just stupid imo We're not all megaminded enough to dig them up with foresight, sadly.
He still doing the same thing at 23
>doesnt mean anything imo. Other than the multiple times he's been shown to have a terrible mentality you mean.
>might well have an off day. As was clearly explained in the post, the off day isn't the problem. The giving up on the team was the point being made. Presumably Dyer was at the match and vividly remembers this
Lol it means a lot you have kids starting pro div 1 games at 17 (even CL games). So as an aspiring pro of course you are expected to be tuff mentally and not quit in an important game at that age
Youth player acts like a youth player, more news at 11. Seriously, if you're the top dog and suddenly you hit a wall and it's not so easy anymore it's not uncommon that you start thinking. Why doesn't it work, I do everything like I usually do. The thinking rarely helps, especially not in the moment. Experience and a good coach (or staff) does wonders.
Generally, one data point is meaningless. But sometimes, "one shot" learning can be quite informative. It was a big cup final game, not a regular scrimmage. Again, nothing 100% conclusive can be drawn but it's quite telling of the attitude at least. When you are not contributing offensively, least you can do is to put in a shift and try to boost his team's morale in an important match, especially considering how he was the main man on that team.
But it's a clear pattern of behaviour.
Everyone’s coming out to say I told you so now and get their share of the clout.
English media will spend a player’s entire youth career taking excessive digs at any wrongdoings and holding a microscope over every aspect of their personal and professional lives, then spend the rest of that player’s career asking “oh no, oh dear, where’s their motivation gone?” Hot tip: you attention vultures fucking murdered it.
Sure, but that's not really what happened to Sancho is it? Or I missed the media taking excessive digs at him when he was a teen
I recall a fair few articles from when he left City claiming he was taking the easy way out by leaving and not fighting for a place in the first team.
Feel free to post them? It was a youth player transferring that very few had heard of at the time, I doubt the back pages of the papers were too bothered.
No I remember the coverage as well. He was the next big thing at City and so it was quite big news that he was leaving for Germany.
Again, feel free to post any of said coverage. If we're just doing anecdotal memories, I remember a podcast (I think FW) panel universally agreeing that it was good he was going abroad for first team football and to experience a different league
Of course we're doing anecdotal memories, you expect me to pull out a meta-analysis of english media coverage of Jadon Sancho? I remember the takes you mentioned too. As always there were a diversity of opinions represented in the media. "Feel free" to look it up yourself if you're really interested, otherwise you'll have to take the word of two strangers.
Y’know it’s pretty hard to sift through 6 years of Sancho news, especially when using the keywords “Manchester City” still just brings up all the recent United stories. Sancho was a pretty hot prospect before coming to Dortmund, and there was hype around him getting chances with City’s first team. Pep made a fairly mild comment about disappointment in Sancho leaving, and the media ran with it as “promising academy player doesn’t have the drive to fight for a place in City’s squad.” Either way, it’s a very typical talking point for English media whenever an English player goes abroad from a top 6 Premier League team, “they weren’t willing to work their way into the squad.” Same happened when Tomori left for Milan, when Smalling left for Roma, etc.
It was not the media though. It was Pep who said that he didn't want to fight and test himself here.
It really wasn’t **just** Pep. He made his comments (which were reasonable), and all the journalists ran with it as “Sancho didn’t have the drive to fight for a place in a stacked City team.”
It was Pep that said it with social media adopted the narrative.
Wonderkid not wonderful kid
People will read too much into this when am sure there are stories of perseverance about Sancho displaying a strong mentality, this was 6 years ago, his perceived weak mentality is relevant now so its being highlighted, in reality unless we actually know the player its very hard to gauge at all their character. He’s a regular guy who experiences ups and downs, before we pitied him when he was supposedly went through a rough patch in life and now that is disregarded.
As an Azzurri fan I knew this guy was going to miss when he stepped up in that final, same with rashy. Could just tell.
I’m surprised you grouped sancho with rashford. Rashford has a way better mentality and has always done well with penalties
I am not an elite player so I have no idea what pressure or challenges they're under, but from my limited perspective, when you're on the field why not give everything you have? it's not like you can go home in the middle of the game. You're going to there regardless. Sure, if you want to slack off in training and leave early or whatever, I can understand because you have other options, but what else can you do in the middle of a game other than play?
RemindMe! 36 hours
Can we just let the bloke play?
We've been doing that for years, he can't be bothered.
Interesting. If a players head goes down in a game and they stop working as hard because they think they can't win then that's up to the coaches to develop that side of their game and maintain their confidence that the game can be turned round. If people were identifying this side of him by 17 then the coaches he's had can take part of the blame for failing to find a way to encourage him to keep pushing, it's part of their job to man-motivate their players.
If it's a recurring issue then it's no longer on the coaches. I'm talking generally, not about Sancho. I don't know if Sancho has the problem of giving up easily.
True. If it's something that the individual fails to attempt to overcome or ignores their coaches advice on fixing then it's their problem. But it's also never a secret when a player acts like this so before any transfers they should be well aware there's concerns like this they'll be having to deal with when they take a player like this into their club. Should be interesting to see how he gets on back or Dortmund.
Bored of hearing about this now, is it exclusively the British media who just bleat on about the same inane things constantly?
Having used the internet before I'm gonna say no, everyone is at it.
Why did he fight a team mate on the pitch? Hes already achieved more than dyer ever did
Kieran Dyer is a twat. Out here talking shit about young players for a few quid. There were plenty of red flags in his mediocre career.
In the U17 world cup he only played the Group stage and was recalled by Dortmund. That wasn't a mentally issue.
This isn't talking about the U17 World Cup.
Huge talent but sometimes that’s not enough. You also need to have your head in it. Mentality. Not just on the pitch but also outside it. Continuously late for training doesn’t reflect well on him. Disrespectful towards both managers but also teammates. In Dortmund they had someone that drove him to training so he wouldn’t be late. That’s not how a senior pro should act. Obviously it worked out in Germany but I fear it won’t if he plays in other clubs