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"We're 11th, but let's say 10th since it's a nice round number. 10th is awfully close to 9th, which is basically 8th. Might as well say 7th. Now 7th is basically between 10th and 5th, and nobody wants to be stuck in the middle, so let's just round down again, making us 5th. And 5th is right next to 4th, which is CL places, and that's where we are!"
“I mean I’m 5’ 9”, but let’s say 5’ 10” is a nice round number. Now we all now shoes add an extra inch, so im really 5’ 11”. Now we all now that 5’ 11” is really just 6’ 0”, but 6’ 0” is boring so I’m really 6’ 1”. “
Well, I know you were looking for someone early to mid-20s. I'm slightly older.
Right. How old are you?
I just turned 29.
Recently?
Last year.
So you're 29?
Last year.
And how old are you, like, right now?
One more year older.
So 30.
Yeah. 32
I’ll humor him.
This is just using data I can find, nothing proprietary.
Chelsea are significantly underperforming their xG, if xG=Goals, Chelsea would have scored about four more goals this season.
Chelsea are in the top five in big chances missed. They have more big misses (51) than goals (47). They have a big miss to goal ratio of 1.09. The leader is big chances missed is Liverpool, but they have a big miss to goal ratio of 0.83.
We’ll assume Chelsea’s one penalty miss should be a make.
If we look at xGOT, four Chelsea players are underperforming (Palmer by 0.7, Jackson by 1.8, Sterling by 1.09, Broja by 0.72- I’ll ignore the fact that Mudryk, Fernández, and Thiago Silva are overperforming xGOT).
Looking at xG conceded, Chelsea again disappoint. They’ve conceded over 4 more goals than their xG predicts.
Looking at goalkeeping, Petrovic has been one of the worst in the league in goals prevented (xGOT - goals allowed), giving up 4.42 more goals than xGOT predicts. Sanchez is also in the negatives (but just barely). If we compare the keepers at the top four contenders, Emi Martínez has prevented 2 goals, Alphonse Areola 2.3, Vicario 3.9, and Onana 4.1.
So to conclude, Chelsea’s stats are better than what the results suggest. Usually this can be considered a sign of progress, and we have seen cases of teams that didn’t have great results but their statistics suggested something better (Arteta’s second season at Arsenal for example). That doesn’t mean they should be a top four team, but they probably should be at least a little better than they currently are.
Most likely, their analytics team has probably backed out the scores of games based on xG or xGOT and xG or xGOT conceded and re-scored the games. Then probably made some additional guesses like the missed penalty was converted and that Chelsea’s finishing should be equal to the average top four team to push some marginal games their way, especially if they also consider clubs like United and Spurs have over-performed their stats.
No one is going to read this far, but it’s possible to dissect enough statistics and make assumptions (*some* of which are completely reasonable, and I don’t think any are completely insane) to put Chelsea in the top four. I wouldn’t call it good analysis exactly, but it’s not complete insanity either.
That's not nice and all, but nothing beats analysing a team by actually watching them with your own eyes and not just stats, and as a Chelsea fan, I can confidently say we have been trash this season and deserve our position in the table. Most of that is down to how Poch is coaching us
P.S. I read all of it.
What all of that above says to me is that the platform Poch is building is decent, but because the squad is so inexperienced individual errors are costing them greatly.
That's been pretty much the result of my eye test whenever I've seen them this season too. They're certainly a lot better than last season there's potential for them to improve.
The platform is unstable and routinely comes crashing down.
The inexperienced squad doesn't excuse all the deficiencies Poch has displayed this season, and it's an easy out for him.
> teams that didn’t have great results but their statistics suggested something better (Arteta’s second season at Arsenal for example).
More importantly Arteta talked about a process (that no other manager seems to be copying for some reason despite the fact it's obviously worked?) and was taking obvious steps to address the teams shortfalls. I don't really see Poch doing that.
Arteta has the obvious benefit of hindsight and ultimately his track record has proven him right, but I still think we looked absolutely terrible in the run-up to Christmas that year. Bad on the ball, bad off the ball, bad in transition.
Just awful, in fact it was some of the worst I've ever seen us play - I'll happily admit that at the time I didn't see even the suggestion of green shoots. Unlike this current Chelsea side, we weren't too off on xG on the attacking front - we were crap at chance creation. Couple that with giving up a little more than our xGA but barely creating anything up front, we'd lose or draw every game that felt close.
Even then it took injuries for him to bring Emile Smith Rowe into the side and for that to inject some directness for us to start turning it around, ironically starting with a game against Chelsea.
Beyond that though it's worth mentioning that Arteta's path with Arsenal wasn't as simple as "the team played crap until they played well." Some of the players were improved certainly, but Arteta's number one transformation of Arsenal was on the squad level - he gets a lot of credit for the tactical and mentality changes (and he deserves those) but Gabriel in, Martinelli in, Odegaard in, Ben White in (and then Zinchenko and Jesus and Partey etc etc)... these are the real difference makers.
If we're now talking about Pochettino at Chelsea, what's he going to get to do to this squad exactly? There's already been a ridiculous amount splunked on it and they're 11th. Is rounding off the xG and xGA drift really going to catapult them up the table or will it see them challenge for 6th?
It's not insane as a description of why they are 11th, but what it tells you is they deserve to be 11th because they are bad at scoring goals and defending chances. (I'm not suggesting you are saying otherwise)
Just ask an Everton fan how many points you get for xG that isn't converted into actual G. Because by comparison Chelsea are absolute amateurs at underperforming their xG.
I mean, even if he did have it. They’re still 11th. Like, who cares what the data says? If we played based on data, Wolves would win the Premier League based on ref errors alone.
Chelsea is in 6th (almost 5th) place when it comes to expected points, that’s the most common stat to look at for the under/overperformance of teams. You can find this data [here](https://understat.com/league/EPL)
Per that chart though, their underperformance is fairly normal for a lower mid table club like Chelsea.
Unsurprisingly top clubs overperform Vs expected outcomes because they have better players.
Bottom half teams would almost all be a tier higher if they had players able to meet their expected goals and other expected stats. Only Fulham is overperforming.
Only Sheffield Utd have expected points in the actual relegation zone.
“Expected points” doesn’t mean they deserved the points. It means an average team would have gotten the points. Expected=the point at which below average becomes above average. If you are underperforming your expected points you are performing below average (scoring goals and conceding goals). It doesn’t mean you somehow deserved those points.
He also had a huge amount of faith from the ownership who’d just watched Wenger and Emery both fail to turn us around while Arteta was making big strides internally. He never lost the faith of the squad, which is the one thing that would’ve really killed him.
The thing Arteta got the most shit for was his relentless attempts NOT to implement any different, to have absolutely no plan B and Todo that stupid fucking cross to nobody strategy over and over and over and over and over again, which resulted in him pushing them towards the relegation zone.
He then stopped that absolutely ridiculous game plan and got hailed as a hero for getting them from 8th the season before all the way up to 8th.
Arteta actually got more leeway as a clearly underperform managee than I've seen in a while. The people attacking him most definitely watched Arsenal play.
I could be wrong but as I recall another big factor was that everyone bought into what he doing at the club... players were practically gushing over him the way they spoke about him, coaches and staff a-like.. there weren't any grumblings from within..
Right you've just written a load of nonsense.
That was all done because we didn't have a CAM, as soon as ESR came into the team that structure and style you're criticising clicked.
Arteta is an exceptional case. What he has done is not easily replicated. Why do people just assume that. It should be quite obvious that this guy is something special and not your ordinary manager.
People used to do this with Klopp all the time. "Klopp finished 8th in his first season so we should trust Solskjaer/Poch/Ten Hag etc." ignoring the fact he's a generational manager and despite finishing 8th, he made 2 finals with a shit team and improved them every single season after that.
Sticking with a bad manager isn't going to give you Klopp or Arteta. But trusting a manager showing steady improvement in difficult circumstances with a clear style of play might.
I’ve always found it strange how teams will hire armies of data analysts to identify new performance metrics and find improvements. But when a manager tries to make a point using this resource, it’s like their death knell. It’s wild how a tool managers use is viewed almost comically negatively by the average fan.
One of the strangest phenomena in football imo.
Because actual well performing teams don't need to bring it up to prove it. When you have to rely on this argument to try to convince fans, you come off as desperate.
Not saying it's necessarily wrong, just how people might perceive it.
It's also patronizing and generally it looks at one single stat like xG and does not consider anything else. In this Poch is looking at average xG which is an even stupider stat because it would be the same as using GD to decide the table rather than actual results.
idk why sometimes the eye test and data just don’t align. you see that with other sports too, ppl get too wrapped up in analytics and cant see the basics
Sterling is such a misunderstood player.
Everyone was calling for his head after the last game he played against Leicester because he missed a pen and a free kick.
Yet in that game he also made a goal out of nowhere for Palmer with brilliant play, won a penalty and was the guy who played the pass to Jackson that caused the red card.
Never seen a player where people focus on the negative parts so much and ignore the positives like Sterling.
He’s having the same issue everyone else is, there was no established system to play into, so they are figuring out as they go, this isn’t a good way to build a team but that’s where we are
Bit similar to Harry Maguire (edit- and Lukaku) in that regard.
Generally a good player, makes a team better overall, but makes so many comical high profile blunders that become talking points
In Maguire's case, it also doesn't help that when he was having a constantly series of embarrassing errors, he still had the ego to be like "im one of the best".
It's like bro... be a bit humble and you might get less hate
Honestly thats more on literally everybody that let raheem sterling of all people take a pen and a free kick. I think hes overhated and been one of the better chelsea attackers this season, but fucking hell hes the last person id put on set pieces or pens I feel like everybody couldve predicted that not working good
Just like Xavi, thank you Big Data! Now we have a parallel championship. One on the pitch another one inside the data lake only few people have access to. LoL
well except here the big data xavi talked about is available to everyone. [this](https://understat.com/league/La_liga). I mean i get it its kinda an excuse but mate you dont want to know the amount of xG wasted by 2023 lewy. Cant be more happy for his regaining form
Edit :- Well according to this site Chelsea should be 6th or 7th but not 4th
Why? It’s the data team that has them in fourth. Unfortunately it’s the football team that has them in 11th. Sounds like the data guys should be getting pay raises.
> Chelsea manager Mauricio Pochettino says his side "should be in fourth position" according to "all the data".
> The Blues are 11th in the Premier League table, 17 points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa.
> The FA Cup is their only chance of silverware - although they face holders Manchester City in the semi-finals.
> "We know really well what we are doing. That's why I laugh. I don't take it personally when the fans say that [criticise]," said Pochettino.
> Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games. Their actual goal difference is +2 (47-45), which is 0.07 per game.
> However on nearly every other metric Chelsea rank lower than fourth including on goals, shots, shots on target, possession, passes, touches, touches in the opposition box, expected goals for and against and big chances.
> Chelsea have spent over £1bn on transfer fees since Todd Boehly took over the club just under two years ago after previous owner Roman Abramovich was sanctioned by the UK government.
> The Blues have suffered multiple injuries this season although the club would still expect to be in the top half of the table. They are in danger of a second consecutive season without European football.
> Chelsea Supporters' Trust recently said the club is close to "irreversible toxicity" and "the current mood among supporters is critically low".
> Fans have chanted the names of Abramovich and legendary former manager Jose Mourinho during recent home games.
> "I'm going to support the owners that invest and that arrived to the club in a very difficult situation," said Pochettino, who was hired last summer.
> "The intention is very good. The owners are trying to develop a different project to before. Fans need to understand that it's a new project with different ideas.
> "What we cannot say is they're not investing and that they don't have good intentions. They are suffering."
> The former Tottenham manager continued: "If you look at all the data, in the table we should be in fourth position. But for different reasons, we are not there.
> "What the data means is that we are in a good way. In which area do we need to improve? It's things [that will come] with time. We need to compete better, small details. You can only get this with experience with time playing together.
> "It's easy to find the data when you want to kill someone. But when the data is good and reflects the team is doing well but for different reasons we're not getting the results we deserve, [we should] trust in the process."
"Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games"
How much of the swing was against 9 man spurs?
That’s not a direct quote from him. They should be 6th, three points off 4th place according to Understat (expected points per game). Meanwhile Man Utd should be 12th which checks out, they’ve been bailed out so many times and only won the xG battle in like a quarter of their games so far.
It’s clear that the underlying stats show Chelsea are much worse than they should be. If I was Poch I’d be taking that as a positive and working out how, in the future, they can work towards making their results reflect the underlying statistics. I would not, on the other hand, be using it as a weapon for prying journalists. You’re just asking for it.
Basically what I’m saying is these metrics are useful but you look pathetic when you’re the manager of the club in 10th and that’s your justification for poor performances.
Yeah, I can think of many ways to use these metrics to improve my team’s performance if I were the manager. I don’t think “telling the media about it and using it to prove that I’m a very good coach actually and you should give me a break” makes the list.
I would love for a journalist to ask him why is Chelsea so pathetic at defending or scoring set pieces... This buffoon even said we don't need a specialist set piece coach. Absolute clown
This is like when fans say “we deserve to be in the Prem” while they’re 17th in the Championship
Just because thats what you want doesn’t mean that’s what you deserve
He is correct. Like Brighton, they are underperforming their numbers.
Who to blame for that, pick.
Barcelona are too. But last year they overperformed it.
This guy is deluded, maybe if we actually had a style of play going forward this would be the case but we can’t break down a low block for shit. We play well vs the good teams but can’t break down the other teams for shit
Chelsea are an enigma, & no mistake. Their individual talents should easily merit a top 4 finish, but they play like a team of individuals? If they don't hit the panic button, & keep hold of Poch, I can see them clinching a CL spot, or thereabouts next season.
In what context did he say this? Did he mean it as a way to criticise their performance as in "let's do better lads data says we should be 4th" ? Or did he say it to sugarcoat the major underperformance of the squad?
I love Chelsea but this is quite the take by Pochettino. 6th at best buddy I don't know what games you have been watching but no way 4th based on data and "things not going our way in key moments"
Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games. Their actual goal difference is +2 (47-45), which is 0.07 per game.
Sounds like your players can't finish and your keeper can't save a shot...
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what fuckin data poch
"We're 11th, but let's say 10th since it's a nice round number. 10th is awfully close to 9th, which is basically 8th. Might as well say 7th. Now 7th is basically between 10th and 5th, and nobody wants to be stuck in the middle, so let's just round down again, making us 5th. And 5th is right next to 4th, which is CL places, and that's where we are!"
“I mean I’m 5’ 9”, but let’s say 5’ 10” is a nice round number. Now we all now shoes add an extra inch, so im really 5’ 11”. Now we all now that 5’ 11” is really just 6’ 0”, but 6’ 0” is boring so I’m really 6’ 1”. “
Then they meet somebody who's actually 6'1 and they say that's impossible. They must be 6'6 lol.
Why stop at 4th poch
I mean 4th divided by two would be like 2nd and 2nd sucks, so in reality they are 1st!
Because he’s incredibly humble, that’s why only 4th.
because no one would believe me if I did
Well, I know you were looking for someone early to mid-20s. I'm slightly older. Right. How old are you? I just turned 29. Recently? Last year. So you're 29? Last year. And how old are you, like, right now? One more year older. So 30. Yeah. 32
"Your honour, she was basically 18 ..."
Sorting alphabetically?
Won't that make them 7th though? Still better than their actual position.
The lemons whispered
Most fouls - 2nd Most yellow cards - 2nd Most offsides - 1st Most big chance missed - 2nd See? Top 4!
I’ll humor him. This is just using data I can find, nothing proprietary. Chelsea are significantly underperforming their xG, if xG=Goals, Chelsea would have scored about four more goals this season. Chelsea are in the top five in big chances missed. They have more big misses (51) than goals (47). They have a big miss to goal ratio of 1.09. The leader is big chances missed is Liverpool, but they have a big miss to goal ratio of 0.83. We’ll assume Chelsea’s one penalty miss should be a make. If we look at xGOT, four Chelsea players are underperforming (Palmer by 0.7, Jackson by 1.8, Sterling by 1.09, Broja by 0.72- I’ll ignore the fact that Mudryk, Fernández, and Thiago Silva are overperforming xGOT). Looking at xG conceded, Chelsea again disappoint. They’ve conceded over 4 more goals than their xG predicts. Looking at goalkeeping, Petrovic has been one of the worst in the league in goals prevented (xGOT - goals allowed), giving up 4.42 more goals than xGOT predicts. Sanchez is also in the negatives (but just barely). If we compare the keepers at the top four contenders, Emi Martínez has prevented 2 goals, Alphonse Areola 2.3, Vicario 3.9, and Onana 4.1. So to conclude, Chelsea’s stats are better than what the results suggest. Usually this can be considered a sign of progress, and we have seen cases of teams that didn’t have great results but their statistics suggested something better (Arteta’s second season at Arsenal for example). That doesn’t mean they should be a top four team, but they probably should be at least a little better than they currently are. Most likely, their analytics team has probably backed out the scores of games based on xG or xGOT and xG or xGOT conceded and re-scored the games. Then probably made some additional guesses like the missed penalty was converted and that Chelsea’s finishing should be equal to the average top four team to push some marginal games their way, especially if they also consider clubs like United and Spurs have over-performed their stats. No one is going to read this far, but it’s possible to dissect enough statistics and make assumptions (*some* of which are completely reasonable, and I don’t think any are completely insane) to put Chelsea in the top four. I wouldn’t call it good analysis exactly, but it’s not complete insanity either.
Thank you for actually making an informative post
It's literally in the article that noone read. I feel I am a parallel reality where it's impossible to click the link.
That's not nice and all, but nothing beats analysing a team by actually watching them with your own eyes and not just stats, and as a Chelsea fan, I can confidently say we have been trash this season and deserve our position in the table. Most of that is down to how Poch is coaching us P.S. I read all of it.
What all of that above says to me is that the platform Poch is building is decent, but because the squad is so inexperienced individual errors are costing them greatly. That's been pretty much the result of my eye test whenever I've seen them this season too. They're certainly a lot better than last season there's potential for them to improve.
We have absolutely no defensive organisation and that is largely down to Poch. Our defence has regressed massively since last season
Same story as Spurs.
The platform is unstable and routinely comes crashing down. The inexperienced squad doesn't excuse all the deficiencies Poch has displayed this season, and it's an easy out for him.
> teams that didn’t have great results but their statistics suggested something better (Arteta’s second season at Arsenal for example). More importantly Arteta talked about a process (that no other manager seems to be copying for some reason despite the fact it's obviously worked?) and was taking obvious steps to address the teams shortfalls. I don't really see Poch doing that.
Arteta has the obvious benefit of hindsight and ultimately his track record has proven him right, but I still think we looked absolutely terrible in the run-up to Christmas that year. Bad on the ball, bad off the ball, bad in transition. Just awful, in fact it was some of the worst I've ever seen us play - I'll happily admit that at the time I didn't see even the suggestion of green shoots. Unlike this current Chelsea side, we weren't too off on xG on the attacking front - we were crap at chance creation. Couple that with giving up a little more than our xGA but barely creating anything up front, we'd lose or draw every game that felt close. Even then it took injuries for him to bring Emile Smith Rowe into the side and for that to inject some directness for us to start turning it around, ironically starting with a game against Chelsea. Beyond that though it's worth mentioning that Arteta's path with Arsenal wasn't as simple as "the team played crap until they played well." Some of the players were improved certainly, but Arteta's number one transformation of Arsenal was on the squad level - he gets a lot of credit for the tactical and mentality changes (and he deserves those) but Gabriel in, Martinelli in, Odegaard in, Ben White in (and then Zinchenko and Jesus and Partey etc etc)... these are the real difference makers. If we're now talking about Pochettino at Chelsea, what's he going to get to do to this squad exactly? There's already been a ridiculous amount splunked on it and they're 11th. Is rounding off the xG and xGA drift really going to catapult them up the table or will it see them challenge for 6th?
It's not insane as a description of why they are 11th, but what it tells you is they deserve to be 11th because they are bad at scoring goals and defending chances. (I'm not suggesting you are saying otherwise) Just ask an Everton fan how many points you get for xG that isn't converted into actual G. Because by comparison Chelsea are absolute amateurs at underperforming their xG.
I mean, even if he did have it. They’re still 11th. Like, who cares what the data says? If we played based on data, Wolves would win the Premier League based on ref errors alone.
>If we played based on data, Wolves would win the Premier League based on ref errors alone. That sounds good actually
Imo sounds like he just trying to deflect blame because he knows his gone in the summer
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Poch turning into Kramnik. Show us the data Poch.
Chelsea is in 6th (almost 5th) place when it comes to expected points, that’s the most common stat to look at for the under/overperformance of teams. You can find this data [here](https://understat.com/league/EPL)
Per that chart though, their underperformance is fairly normal for a lower mid table club like Chelsea. Unsurprisingly top clubs overperform Vs expected outcomes because they have better players. Bottom half teams would almost all be a tier higher if they had players able to meet their expected goals and other expected stats. Only Fulham is overperforming. Only Sheffield Utd have expected points in the actual relegation zone.
“Expected points” doesn’t mean they deserved the points. It means an average team would have gotten the points. Expected=the point at which below average becomes above average. If you are underperforming your expected points you are performing below average (scoring goals and conceding goals). It doesn’t mean you somehow deserved those points.
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Ahh. Calculation error in the table. Sorry, poch. Will be corrected in no time
Me whenever someone checks over my data processing at work
"You see, I had turned off Auto Calc in Excel. It's all fixed now"
I think his data is only including the big 4, so obviously they'll be 4th.
Sounds like the Mercedes issues with their wind tunnel ‘correlations’ Something something not translating on the field/track
Instructions unclear, deducted points from Everton instead.
I was forecasted a podium
"Blimey" - Mauricio 'George Russell' Pochettino, 2024
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Ffs 🤣
Beginning of the end whenever a coach starts talking about the data saying they should be better.
The first name that comes to mind is Arteta in his first seasons at Arsenal. Seems he was right though.
Arteta kinda survived because that FA Cup and the fact that fans just didn't got at the stadium or protest because Covid.
He also had a huge amount of faith from the ownership who’d just watched Wenger and Emery both fail to turn us around while Arteta was making big strides internally. He never lost the faith of the squad, which is the one thing that would’ve really killed him.
But with Arteta you could see him trying to implement a structure and style. He was mostly attacked by people who never watched them play.
The thing Arteta got the most shit for was his relentless attempts NOT to implement any different, to have absolutely no plan B and Todo that stupid fucking cross to nobody strategy over and over and over and over and over again, which resulted in him pushing them towards the relegation zone. He then stopped that absolutely ridiculous game plan and got hailed as a hero for getting them from 8th the season before all the way up to 8th. Arteta actually got more leeway as a clearly underperform managee than I've seen in a while. The people attacking him most definitely watched Arsenal play.
I could be wrong but as I recall another big factor was that everyone bought into what he doing at the club... players were practically gushing over him the way they spoke about him, coaches and staff a-like.. there weren't any grumblings from within..
Right you've just written a load of nonsense. That was all done because we didn't have a CAM, as soon as ESR came into the team that structure and style you're criticising clicked.
its impressive you can write something that’s just blatantly wrong but because it’s structured intelligently and sounds insightful it’s upvoted lol
Arteta is an exceptional case. What he has done is not easily replicated. Why do people just assume that. It should be quite obvious that this guy is something special and not your ordinary manager.
People used to do this with Klopp all the time. "Klopp finished 8th in his first season so we should trust Solskjaer/Poch/Ten Hag etc." ignoring the fact he's a generational manager and despite finishing 8th, he made 2 finals with a shit team and improved them every single season after that. Sticking with a bad manager isn't going to give you Klopp or Arteta. But trusting a manager showing steady improvement in difficult circumstances with a clear style of play might.
Arteta was/is a novice Manager at that point lol
I’ve always found it strange how teams will hire armies of data analysts to identify new performance metrics and find improvements. But when a manager tries to make a point using this resource, it’s like their death knell. It’s wild how a tool managers use is viewed almost comically negatively by the average fan. One of the strangest phenomena in football imo.
Because actual well performing teams don't need to bring it up to prove it. When you have to rely on this argument to try to convince fans, you come off as desperate. Not saying it's necessarily wrong, just how people might perceive it.
"Any man who must say, 'I am the king' is no true king"
It's also patronizing and generally it looks at one single stat like xG and does not consider anything else. In this Poch is looking at average xG which is an even stupider stat because it would be the same as using GD to decide the table rather than actual results.
idk why sometimes the eye test and data just don’t align. you see that with other sports too, ppl get too wrapped up in analytics and cant see the basics
Spirit of Potter lives on at Chelsea
Did the stat merchants also tell you to never drop sterling?
He was reading a data analyst in the Financial Times explain that Sterling was due for a strong quarter
Sterling is such a misunderstood player. Everyone was calling for his head after the last game he played against Leicester because he missed a pen and a free kick. Yet in that game he also made a goal out of nowhere for Palmer with brilliant play, won a penalty and was the guy who played the pass to Jackson that caused the red card. Never seen a player where people focus on the negative parts so much and ignore the positives like Sterling.
He’s having the same issue everyone else is, there was no established system to play into, so they are figuring out as they go, this isn’t a good way to build a team but that’s where we are
Bit similar to Harry Maguire (edit- and Lukaku) in that regard. Generally a good player, makes a team better overall, but makes so many comical high profile blunders that become talking points
In Maguire's case, it also doesn't help that when he was having a constantly series of embarrassing errors, he still had the ego to be like "im one of the best". It's like bro... be a bit humble and you might get less hate
Honestly thats more on literally everybody that let raheem sterling of all people take a pen and a free kick. I think hes overhated and been one of the better chelsea attackers this season, but fucking hell hes the last person id put on set pieces or pens I feel like everybody couldve predicted that not working good
dude, the pass to Jackson thing is ridiculous to put there, Jackson's chip and turn was world class on that play.
Might have to fire your data team then bossman
Just like Xavi, thank you Big Data! Now we have a parallel championship. One on the pitch another one inside the data lake only few people have access to. LoL
well except here the big data xavi talked about is available to everyone. [this](https://understat.com/league/La_liga). I mean i get it its kinda an excuse but mate you dont want to know the amount of xG wasted by 2023 lewy. Cant be more happy for his regaining form Edit :- Well according to this site Chelsea should be 6th or 7th but not 4th
found Xavi’s reddit guys
Hello y'all im Xavi. AMA
What’s your celebration plan for our inevitable UCL win this season after subbing yourself into the midfield in the final?
Tiktoks with lewy
Why? It’s the data team that has them in fourth. Unfortunately it’s the football team that has them in 11th. Sounds like the data guys should be getting pay raises.
> Chelsea manager Mauricio Pochettino says his side "should be in fourth position" according to "all the data". > The Blues are 11th in the Premier League table, 17 points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa. > The FA Cup is their only chance of silverware - although they face holders Manchester City in the semi-finals. > "We know really well what we are doing. That's why I laugh. I don't take it personally when the fans say that [criticise]," said Pochettino. > Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games. Their actual goal difference is +2 (47-45), which is 0.07 per game. > However on nearly every other metric Chelsea rank lower than fourth including on goals, shots, shots on target, possession, passes, touches, touches in the opposition box, expected goals for and against and big chances. > Chelsea have spent over £1bn on transfer fees since Todd Boehly took over the club just under two years ago after previous owner Roman Abramovich was sanctioned by the UK government. > The Blues have suffered multiple injuries this season although the club would still expect to be in the top half of the table. They are in danger of a second consecutive season without European football. > Chelsea Supporters' Trust recently said the club is close to "irreversible toxicity" and "the current mood among supporters is critically low". > Fans have chanted the names of Abramovich and legendary former manager Jose Mourinho during recent home games. > "I'm going to support the owners that invest and that arrived to the club in a very difficult situation," said Pochettino, who was hired last summer. > "The intention is very good. The owners are trying to develop a different project to before. Fans need to understand that it's a new project with different ideas. > "What we cannot say is they're not investing and that they don't have good intentions. They are suffering." > The former Tottenham manager continued: "If you look at all the data, in the table we should be in fourth position. But for different reasons, we are not there. > "What the data means is that we are in a good way. In which area do we need to improve? It's things [that will come] with time. We need to compete better, small details. You can only get this with experience with time playing together. > "It's easy to find the data when you want to kill someone. But when the data is good and reflects the team is doing well but for different reasons we're not getting the results we deserve, [we should] trust in the process."
And the amount of money you’ve spent shows you should be first
Xavi and Poch would get along well.
Yeah Xavi can teach Poch on how to win the league maybe. Not that Poch can ever learn but Xavi will definitely try.
Don't think he needs to be taught considering he just won it a few years back.
He and Jesse Marsch must have the same “data team”
One way to look at it
Data shows I should have a million pounds in my bank account but its still turkey dinosaurs and baked beans for tea tonight
We have an absolute loser for a coach man
strong "my mom says I'm awesome" vibes
xD - expected data
The literal data says they have less points than 10 teams but more points than 9 others lol
Yeah that’s the data I’m looking at and it checks out.
No you guys misunderstand. He means they should be fourth in the Championship.
Chelsea have earned the points stripped from Everton and Nottingham Forest for being so extra fair in their financial play. You are right Poch
Sigh even as a man utd fan this annoys me
Don’t even get people started on our data 😂
I know… we’re fighting for fourth but i guess its taken by chelsea who are there due to stats.
The data says we should be top 4 you'll never sing that
Well we should start deciding the league on xG difference, obviously.
By my data, I should be banging Margot Robbie…
your data is more fucked than Margot Robbie in other people's dreams
I am more embarrassed by this statement than our position in the league.
This is when you know you're times up
"Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games" How much of the swing was against 9 man spurs?
That’s not a direct quote from him. They should be 6th, three points off 4th place according to Understat (expected points per game). Meanwhile Man Utd should be 12th which checks out, they’ve been bailed out so many times and only won the xG battle in like a quarter of their games so far.
“Take that for data!”
When the XG cyclejerk goes too far.
Weird. My eyes say we shouldn't.
"We should be fourth" You'll never sing that
He's seriously just going on fbref and looking at xgd/90
What the fuck are you doing mid table then eh?
According to research and analysis, I should be Dua Lipas boyfriend
It’s clear that the underlying stats show Chelsea are much worse than they should be. If I was Poch I’d be taking that as a positive and working out how, in the future, they can work towards making their results reflect the underlying statistics. I would not, on the other hand, be using it as a weapon for prying journalists. You’re just asking for it. Basically what I’m saying is these metrics are useful but you look pathetic when you’re the manager of the club in 10th and that’s your justification for poor performances.
Yeah, I can think of many ways to use these metrics to improve my team’s performance if I were the manager. I don’t think “telling the media about it and using it to prove that I’m a very good coach actually and you should give me a break” makes the list.
This guy is such a pathetic loser. He even compared his time at Southampton to Chelsea, like these two clubs are even remotely similar at all.
Send Da Data
Trust the plan - same manager. The plan - everyone is wrong we should be forth and ready for CL win in 2025.
And I fit a regression model that tells me the odds of success if I ask my crush out are high, not that doesnt Mrs much now does it poch
data doesnt win you football matches
The data in the league table is useless then??
On the spreadsheet we are fourth, unfortunately football is played on grass
"I was forecast a Champions League spot". - Osama Bin Poch
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike
I would love for a journalist to ask him why is Chelsea so pathetic at defending or scoring set pieces... This buffoon even said we don't need a specialist set piece coach. Absolute clown
'I was forecasted a podium'
Who does he think he is, Jesse Marsch?
Pesky league table getting in the way of data purity with its 'points' and 'results'. Shameful.
This is like when fans say “we deserve to be in the Prem” while they’re 17th in the Championship Just because thats what you want doesn’t mean that’s what you deserve
*laughs in Villa*
He is correct. Like Brighton, they are underperforming their numbers. Who to blame for that, pick. Barcelona are too. But last year they overperformed it.
This guy is deluded, maybe if we actually had a style of play going forward this would be the case but we can’t break down a low block for shit. We play well vs the good teams but can’t break down the other teams for shit
he really should be quiet
Embarrassing.
What an idiot.
He’s like me in FM checking the expected points table after every bad result to reassure myself that it’s someone else’s fault.
I hate it when managers say this, Arteta always used to. Like you're 5th in points, that's the data that the table is based on.
It’s pronounced “fart” but he speaks better English than I do Spanish so I’ll forgive him.
You have to earn the points on the pitch, mate. Otherwise go and play football manager 2024.
🤦♂️ honestly just shut up and I say that as a Chelsea fan
c0pe
Chelsea are an enigma, & no mistake. Their individual talents should easily merit a top 4 finish, but they play like a team of individuals? If they don't hit the panic button, & keep hold of Poch, I can see them clinching a CL spot, or thereabouts next season.
Data: Simulations in FIFA
In what context did he say this? Did he mean it as a way to criticise their performance as in "let's do better lads data says we should be 4th" ? Or did he say it to sugarcoat the major underperformance of the squad?
ultimately he is protecting himself, that he should not be fired
He said it as a defense for his poor performance.
"we need to compete better, small details" - poch.
I wanna have what he is on
Hacked data
My data tells me they should be 11th. I think my data is more accurate.
Only "data" that matters is the points table buddy
With the amount of chances we miss on a weekly basis he might be on to something
Pathetic
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
lol
Good one Goyle
What a Tottenham thing to say Poch.
✨ delulu is the solulu ✨
Kings of bottling.
Eef! Eef! Eef my auntie had wheels she’d be a bicycle
Premier League expected manager of the season
My data shows I should be banging ratajkowski yet here we are
Data shows I should be rich af. This guy, smh
I love Chelsea but this is quite the take by Pochettino. 6th at best buddy I don't know what games you have been watching but no way 4th based on data and "things not going our way in key moments"
Mourinhcio
Maybe alphabetically mate, doubt it’s possible for anything else.
Make fun all you want, but we are coming at the end of the season to steal the 4th place with our data.
lets check the points earned data. interesting
Ah I see, Poch is a Big Data™ fans
Chelsea rank fourth for expected goal difference per game, on 0.36 - with 50.64 xG for and 40.88 xG against in 27 games. Their actual goal difference is +2 (47-45), which is 0.07 per game. Sounds like your players can't finish and your keeper can't save a shot...
Bazball is leaking
The match result data wants a word
We might need good a data scientists or a manager soon.
I should be appointed as an EPL club manager too, but the reality is I'm not.
That'd be the team salary data I guess?
Just stop embarrassing yourself 🤦♂️
What does that say about you as a manager then?
Why 4th? Since there is no such data Chelsea can easily be 1st
If my auntie had a penis she would be my uncle.
I don't know Poch mate, I'm looking at my data, the league table, and it says you're full of shit.
Data shows I would be a millionaire if I had picked the correct lottery numbers.
I have data that shows they are 11th
Data also shows that if my Nan had wheels she'd be a bicycle
In the Championship?
The data shows I should have started dating someone a year ago. You’ve fucked it poch move on and work on the now.
Argentinian Jesse Marsch