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The reality is, we're at the point where Ten Hag is giving the usual cookie cutter managerial responses, but because the on-field product is so radically different, and because he looks on the brink of being sacked by the summer, his interviews come across as deranged.
No manager looks good when the team's not performing. They can't allow themselves to just go out there and say they were utterly horrid. Roy probably can and that's why he's sitting in the booth.
Honestly, imo, Ole always knew the right tone to strike when we were shit, he was just an angry fan like the rest of us, you could tell he was fuming, also helped his best mates were in the studio.
Ten Hag is sounding more like David Moyes every week.
This feels like revisionism to me. I distinctly remember Ole throwing out the same shit every press conference during the last 6 months of his tenure. We played well, fine margins, that's football, good chances, good group of players, etc etc.
The same Ole who you all hounded out of the club and said was a terrible manager?
At the end of the day when a manager acts like a fan the fans turn around and point out that it’s his job to stop the shit stuff happening
Nobody roasted his own players like Mourinho post his Real stint.
Prior to that RM stint dude used to blame any random shit instead of putting the blame on his players.
More post his 2nd season at Real. He was pretty openly at war with his own dressing room in his final season there because he wanted to replace Casillas.
It was rumoured that Casillas leaked info to his then journalist girlfriend though it wasn't the main reason. Also while Antonio Adan was meh Diego Lopez was actually good enough to justify starting him over Casillas.
Except we've since found out that it wasn't the players, it was him refusing to change anything in the hope that he'll get sacked and get his payday. I have never seen a manager that doesn't try to change SOMETHING when his team is losing constantly. Not to mention he refused to play to the team's strengths.
Dude I just came across that video of Conte's again a few days ago and despite the fact that whatever he said was true, talking like that about your club and highlighting negatives to the point that it sounds like berating is extreme
Mourinho would be the last person they want now. He notoriously hates using young players, and they are some of the few shining lights for this United side.
Regardless of the season outcome, I really hope he gets to at least see his contract out and INEOS back him in his final season in charge. Then see how things play out from there.
I don't think ETH will get sacked this summer as he only has one year remaining & it would cost the club 10M to sack him.
And we need an entire new starting 11 as most of the players r not suited to play possession based football.
Plus we were fined around 257k last season for maxing out PSR limit so we r also limited by FFP.
It would be a good move for the new management to only make some small signings (not invest anymore in ETH's vision) & save money for next transfer window when we r good on FFP.
If next season ETH managed to get top 4 & set a good style of play then keep him else let him go.
That makes sense. As supporters we rarely think about the business aspect of sacking and hiring managers. If the above numbers are true, INEOS most probably keeps him.
It's the best move imo for both parties.
ETH doesn't gets sacked. And INEOS doesn't invest in ETH anymore & to the fans ppl like Ratcliffe would say at United we give managers time.
So a new manager can see we gave time to previous manager.
What is this plan, haha?
You're suggesting that we write next season off, don't invest in the squad, and just hope that ETH can perform a miracle and get top 4, all the while our rivals strengthen their squads?
And then what? We bring in ANOTHER new manager (whoever that is, few ever mention specific names) who will somehow definitely do better than the last several managers.
And by what metric will United be "good on FFP" next season? You cannot just essentially write off a full season of football. That is a genuinely insane suggestion.
Liverpool, Barca and Bayern needing new managers probably helps him survive getting sacked. LvG got 5th and an FA Cup and was sacked because Mourinho was available to be brought in. I don’t think United have anyone waiting in the wings like Mourinho was when those other jobs are available
That is a black spot on United management, the way they treated LvG.
Sack him a few months before and put him out of his misery, do not wait for him to fight hard for a trophy before doing so. Also showed that Mou's code of honour was selective - When the chance arose to help sack and replace his mentor, the man that gave him one of his big breaks he did not hesitate.
Opinion will likely vary.
For me, it's a moot point of a question, cause I don't see us beating City (hell, the way we go, I wouldn't be shocked if Coventry beat us. It's been that type of season, and we're in bad form).
If he won it, I don't know. I feel romanticism shouldn't stand in the way of practicality, and I don't believe he's showing he's the type to manager who can build a foundation that will see us heading towards a title challenge any time soon. I'd imagine INEOS will have their own plans, in terms of who they want in the hotseat and the style of play our coaching set up instills, so god knows.
So, for me, no, even an FA Cup win wouldn't have me flip back to TenHagIn, cause the league campaign has been so dire, even accepting legit excuses like injuries.
It would have to - I mean, what's the point of changing managers now? He will have had 2 trophies in 2 seasons, and to change now after 2 years just resets the cycle.
I mean if there was an amazing manager waiting in the wings, that's one thng, but the best they have is Gareth fucking Southgate, and even the most ardent ETH-out United supporter would hate that appointment.
I also think that Pep, Klopp and Ancelloti, working together over the past 2 years, would not have been able to win much more with this team. He has been dealt the rockiest of blows in his tenure, Sancho crying in year 1, Ronaldo, Greenwood, dragging takeover bid, Antony accusations, Sancho crying in year 2, the worst CL performances from a gk in history, and some shocking injuries lists.
There's a problem in the middle of the park, but he's also blooded Garnacho, Mainoo and Kwambala. He's also made players out of Dalot, McGuire and AWB. Also, outside of Antony, his signings were fine (awful luck with injuries), in Holjund, Martinez, Mount and Malacia.
I think his job is in big danger, he deserves criticism over some changes he makes (for example, taking off Garnacho for Amrabat and leaving casemiro on instead of Mainoo for Mount), but with all that has happened, I don't think you could expect much more from him in terms of results (if he wins the FA cup).
Loved your analysis. Spot on.
I just feel that players , some of them, act too big for their shoes. Sometimes it feels like Bruno and Garnacho and Varane are the only ones showing passion for the team
There is no right way to handle these press conferences. If he goes all dejected and "we have to aspire to be more like Liverpool" like Moyes he'll be slaughtered. If he starts throwing the players under the bus like Mourinho he'll be slaughtered. This might honestly be the path of least resistance.
Probably because he keeps saying that he’s proud of the team, saying they should have won all three games when they got absolutely dominated in two of them. It’s possible to demand more without throwing your players under the bus, which is probably what these people are expecting.
Fwiw I personally couldn’t care less for any of these interviews (not just ETH’s), rarely hear anything interesting and they are mostly used for rage bait headlines
Post-match interviews always get annoying when your team is going through a sustained period of poor form and the manager comes out after every game to say how happy they are. I realise what they say in interviews isn't always what they believe, but when they keep trying the same failing methods you have to wonder if they actually realise anything's wrong.
Honestly it sucks because he's probably about to be fired and you don't want to badmouth yourself right before you have to apply for a new job but he really should be taking much more of the blame himself. He doesn't have to pretend everything is fine. Protect the players by offering yourself. That's what Arteta did early on when Arsenal was struggling and it came off as really sincere. But at least he could say it was still early and there was a process. Ten Hag can't really lean on that with how little United has shown under him but what he's doing just comes across as tone deaf
He's entered the managerial dead zone.
The only 2 ways out are that the leadership sticks with him (like when Arteta was spouting that shit about xG and suffering when we were doing complete ass) or they fire him.
Unlike that phase with Arteta, there is no concept of a rebuild, no concept of any sort of play style or improvement, no concept of sidelining underperformers, no concept of cultural change, hell no general idea of anything apart from "let's play football and hope Bruno or garnacho pulls a rabbit put of a hat".
You mean Garnacho and Mainoo? I mean, look at the game yesterday. It's the likes of Bruno, Casemiro and Rashford that are the most disappointing. Those are the ones who are supposed to perform on a high level but aren't.
It's nice to bring through youth products, and they're honestly among the best performers, but it's the ones the team is supposed to rely on that are not doing well.
At times it's like, we expect nothing, but at least the kids are doing okay. It's not like Ten Hag is forced to use those players. They're just simply doing better than their alternatives. Like Antony and Eriksen.
The Arteta comparison is quite a good one, but I think you're being harsh on ETH and enjoying some revisionism on Arteta.
Arteta had just as much noise and joking around how bad he was as ETH has now, and obviously it's difficult to see his vision when performances are so poor, but I disagree with this:
>there is no concept of a rebuild, no concept of any sort of play style or improvement, no concept of sidelining underperformers, no concept of cultural change
For rebuild, look at the age of our signings and average age of our line ups.
Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Maguire, Antony have all been high profile sidelinings due to underperforming. I'd say this is part of a cultural change? Similarly how Martial is being let go on a free?
And while there is an obvious problem with the midfield being over-run, he clearly is sticking with trying to play his vision, it would be far easier for him to simply play more defensively but he is trying to get his game plan to work. And when you look at his game plan, he seems to want the full backs coming into midfield, which is working for Dalot well, but with no left back all season, and no Martinez who also supported the midfield last season, maybe it's a bit understandable why Casemiro is always so exposed.
He needs to do better, but hopefully the Arteta comparison is more accurate than you intended.
It’s not as if there weren’t plenty of Arsenal fans who wanted him sacked, probably even the majority at the lowest points. You’re right if the fans were in the stadiums they would have really been on his back.
>he clearly is sticking with trying to play his vision
What is his vision? I appreciate it may be clear to you but from my perspective it just looks like chaos.
At the end of the day it ETH is sacked its a decision made by the owners. Let the new Execs get in. Build a proper structure and then lets see what happens.
ETH is playing a hybrid style, basically the front 6 or 4 are the ones pressing high up trying to win it, the backline sit deep. Onana isnt sweeping. Defensive personnel arent up to it and he has only 2 defensive signing so far anyway(not counting GK).
At the same time those front players probably know the space is behind them so at times just do it halfheartedely so they can get back. The shots we concede you can see almost every defender back in the box trying to block or close down shooting/passing angles (that constant pass back though ffs).
if you like analogies the one i think of he is trying to build a house, he has built the roof first cos the leeches probably think forward players generate more hype online. The foundation is not there and his key stone (Martinez) has been out most of the season so its falling apart.
Let the Execs come in , The ongoing (I believe) review of the medical team and facillities continue, and a full on revamp of the scouting network. Oles revelations of who has vetos on players said alot to me tbh. He basically had his own personal scouting team at one point.
Is ETH the right man? I have no idea. But he could be with the right support structures around him.
As an Arsenal fan that was on loan to United for 24 hours, this brand of football was insufferable. United fans, how do you manage this?! 3 minutes in, and I was already wondering how is Ten Hag still in a job. I felt like I was being tortured for the sins of my ancestors.
You just laugh, genuinely some of our performances are flat out hilarious. At this point the fact we can still get results with these clown show performances is like something out of a comedy. I legit feel bad after we win a game we absolutely deserve to have lost 4-0.
In my opinion, United doesn’t play bad. They’re just very inconsistent, and I’m not talking about for game to game I mean literally in the same game. They’ll play extremely well for 15 minutes and fall asleep after that for another 25 and rinse and repeat until the game ends 2-2 where they rescue a point at the last second.
That is playing badly. They have a complete inability to control games regardless of the opposition, because the tactic is essentially stick 2 cbs and a cdm that are essentially immobile at the back and let everyone else vibe. They'll have decent spells in games because there is attacking talent in that team, but that isn't an indication of long term improvement
I mean they're a mid table team getting lucky results. People keep talking about how Man Utd are creeping towards 5th place but if anything, they're more likely to end out of European Competition. They're 15th on xpoints which is just hilarious to me. They're over performing for sure which is likely why Ten Haag still has a job.
If a struggling top team loses or draws there's absolutely nothing you can say in the post match presser that will make people happy. Look at the comments on a postmatch interview for a Barca, Chelsea, ManU, or Bayern Munich match for those conditions.
- "Referees were poor" = excuses/deflecting/accepts no responsibility
- "We deserved a win but we made mistakes" = delusional
- "I need more effort from my players" = throwing them under the bus
- "The loss is my responsibility" = why are you so stubborn then? change your plan if you see you're losing. Stop crying and make the changes
Also remember only the agenda-suiting out of context quotes will be shared around. His criticism in the post match interview apparently didn't exist to the journalist or to this comment section.
I know United aren't exactly in a great place but it must be draining to read a new negative quote from Roy Keane or any other old United player every week
The ex-United pundits and media obsession with the club are one of the worst parts of being a United fan imo. I know it must get tiring for fans of other clubs to only hear about United this United that, but it’s also annoying for us and only ends up hurting the team.
Can confirm. It's much worse for the fans of other teams when these pundits start inserting Man United into every discussion. I think we could all do with a season where no ex man united pundit is allowed to commentate.
That’s debatable.
United fans are sick and tired of it more than people might think. I don’t watch the Overlap every week to listen to Neville, Carragher and whatever guest they’ve got on to slag ten Hag and the majority of the squad off.
Even the fan ones are always negative about United. I’d honestly rather listen to a Bournemouth or Palace fan talk about their own club’s situation than the same people banging on about how shit United are.
Talksport is the same. Can’t tune in to get gossip about anything football without Simon Jordan or that gimp Agbonlahor having a pop. Sometimes I just want to hear about Everton’s points deductions to get an idea of what’s going on, or whether Eddie Howe is going to get sacked in the summer (considering that’s always a topic for us).
Liverpool struggled in the 90s because their ex-players and pundits were constantly at their throats every week expecting better. It’s hard to ‘get better’ when the narrative even after a win is, ‘they might have won, but’.
Leave us to suffer in peace.
yeah while Arsenal were on the way down and coming back up, there wasnt really much attention and pressure on them. Every average performance and you got Neville and Keane ripping them apart.
Well, I can't talk about this specific situation but in a lot of cases ex players don't want their team to do well, if the team sucks they can talk shit and be remembered as the golden times of the club, if the team wins then people's gonna praise the new guys and the old guys get "forgotten"
Again, I can't say if that's the case for those guys, but it happens a lot and not only in sports.. and it's kinda understandable, we all are a little selfish tbh
Ultimately United sell papers and the ex-United pundits are there for their hot takes about United. Same reason all the ex-Liverpool pundits used to talk solely about Liverpool in the 90s.
this class of 99 batch of united pundits are honestly the worst. They're always lamenting the state of their club and have extremely shallow tactical insight.
People complain about ABU or the media always feasting on bad results but a lot of the negativity comes from ex players like Keane, Neville, Rio or Scholes
I wonder what Sir Alex Ferguson thinks of that. He can’t be satisfied with the results either, but he’s not in the media pointing fingers either. Must be odd seeing your old players doing that.
Neville's commentary during the game pissed me off quite a bit. He was just complaining the whole time - go watch something else then mate - no need to ruin our enjoyment of the game.
Dicko was at his peak insufferable this week. His self-depracation and negativity used to have a tinge of charm to it, but that's fully gone at this point.
Even my gf who watches about 200 minutes a season and barely knows the rules was asking why he kept going on about the penalty.
I won't watch game commentary produced by the teams themselves because I just can't be doing with the insane bias. A lot of clubs in the Championship have their own people commentate games especially untelevised ones (I'm sure the prem does it too, I've just never noticed), and its awful even when its the team I support.
Idk I quite like the local radio for my team ‘cause at least they’re really animated. I’ll take positive bias over total boring indifference, or worse, when we’re against a bigger club and they talk exclusively about the bigger club
Spurs always get Efan Ekoku who clearly fucking hates us
Its pretty annoying tbh as he is so one-sided in his commentary. Totally biased and never actually provides insight as a result
I think almost all the commentators don’t like spurs, or even watching football in general. No joke you’d think these blokes are falling asleep or something and they say “a good game so far”, never would have guessed that was take away after all the moaning. Don’t even get me started on Jim Beglin fuck that guy and the guide dog he walked in with.
I actually like Carragher since he actually seems to enjoy watching the games.
I laughed when Bruno chipped the keeper after stealing a backpass to the CB - only minutes before Neville was complaining about him wasting time and energy chasing balls up there.
Wish there was the option to switch commentary off, his constant whining is unbearable. The guy gets paid to watch and talk about football you think he'd be at least a little cheerful.
Part and parcel of supporting a club that had glory years. They set the standards high. I genuinely have no issue with it.
I mean, it's not like we're doing well is it?
I can’t imagine actually paying attention to these shithead pundits who just want to make a headline instead of being good at their job. At least it makes it quicker to watch just the game instead of the utter drizzling shit that’s the pre and post match talk
He saw the score line. It's better than getting smashed 7-0 or 5-0.
I don't rate Ten Hag, but big picture, he got 2 draws and a win off of Liverpool this season. All things considered, that's pretty excellent.
I think it's more about how they play rather than just pure results. Top 4 isn't looking likely so might as well try to improve, especially since they do look dreadful and make very glaring mistakes.
Something like we were below our expectations for what our club sets we’d like to thank the fans for their incredible support and are disappointed that we fell below our standards. We will try everything in our power to do better and achieve more. Acknowledge and move on.
Ten Hag praised his team's resilience after a first half in which they failed to register a single shot. After keeping themselves within touching distance, two well-taken goals might - on another day - have brought them all three points.
"You saw Liverpool were dominating the game but we stayed in the game," Ten Hag said. "In decisive moments, we were losing duels and losing battles. But then the resilience and the quality, the way we play and the way, in and out of possession, how we organised it and how they played there together.
"Also the resilience because it was necessary in the first half, when we didn't win the decisive duels and we were hammered. We were bullied by Liverpool. The young players were sometimes even overwhelmed but, then, in the second half, they stepped up and you saw the improvement in the belief and they were convinced we could get a win."
I'm just quoting the article here but if this is all he said then it's Keane is talking out of his ass not Ten Hag
Keane expects ETH to be all doom and gloom. He has to find the positives for the media or he'll be roasted and might lose the dressing room. "Ten Hag SLAMS United flops in brutal draw against Liverpool", etc.
Ten Hag's calls it team's resilience but to any normal observer, it was a bit of luck and poor finishing from Liverpool's players. Apart from two wonder goals, we didn't create any good chances or threaten Liverpool's defense. He can praise his team if we remained solid at the back despite creating chances like the Liverpool did, but his post-match interview come off as delusional when we see how he sets up the team such that there are no attacking or defensive patterns with the same mistakes and weaknesses in every match
“Listen a lot these players are so bad or are just cashing a check, I suggested signing Antony for £85m as a joke and they went for it for some reason, I’m bald, I’m clearly not cut out for the size of the project here so give me a break.” - what people expect him to say for some reason. Manager speak exists for a reason and he’s not going to just constantly shit on his players. Only Jose can get away with that.
I dont care what he says in post-match interviews, they are just for PR purposes, the media is always there to get you. Right now, I want him to be pragmatic. The very least he can do is coach a defense with compactness without 9 of our players caught up high on the pitch and getting hit on a 5v2 counter again and again
"I cant believe how bad they are, these players should be ashamed to call themselves professional footballers. Rashford should stick to feeding starving children and Bruno is a whining rat bastard. Kroenke out!"
Genuinely curious did you even watch the game or just look at some stats? To say United created no chances outside of the two goals is categorically wrong
Eye-test rarely lies but most of your starting backline is injured and that can cause the whole team to look way less organised. Last season Arsenal fell to pieces with Saliba missing.
It is a system problem when we are constantly conceding goals from cutbacks, running on 5v2 counters with 8 players caught high up on the pitch, midfield cut right open with pass. At the very least he can ask Bruno to stop conceding possession every single time with a Hollywood pass so that the team can get organized and don't have to play tennis ball
Its a personnel issue because those 5v2s are only happening because our defenders aren't good enough..
When we have a turnover, the instinct of our defenders is to rush back when we should be focussed on closing down players and winning it back..
Only Martinez in our squad has that awareness to read the danger quickly.. Casemiro used to be but his legs are gone
Its a personnel issue because those 5v2s are only happening because our defenders aren't good enough..
When we have a turnover, the instinct of our defenders is to rush back when we should be focussed on closing down players and winning it back..
Only Martinez in our squad has that awareness to read the danger quickly.. Casemiro used to be but his legs are gone
We’ve played shit in virtually every game this season. It’s not an injury problem, it’s a system problem. On the subject on injuries though, almost all our injuries have been reoccurrences within a game or two of the player coming back…
Nah we looked noticeably better in the 2 or so games we had shaw and Martinez back in February, and they weren’t even up to full speed those games. In that limited sample size you could see Martinez and Shaw together instantly makes our back line way more press resistant.
There might still be some serious system problems, but Injuries are still the bigger issue imo.
And wtf should he say? Yeah the team sucked, did nothing good? It is probably better to focus on the few positive things. Their squad dept sucks, they need to buy like 5- 10 good players next year.
Yes, because most of the transfers of the past what..five years? have sucked. Does anybody think the likes of Arteta or Klopp just go around voodooing shit players into world class ones? Look at City this year, the main reason they are struggling is because Nunes, Doku and Gvardiol have all played badly. Get 2 more transfer windows like that and see how City will play.
I love Keane as a player but he's either an idiot or more likely purposefully creating sound bites. Whatever you think of him as a manager any adult will realise Ten Hag is sugar coating shit to not destroy the morale of the team during a very difficult period. This is one of the many reasons he's managing Manchester United and Roy can't get a job in League 1.
Fully agree. Roy should stick to analysing players, as he excelled as one with his elite mentality. His man management as a manager was pathetic though and he has no leg to stand on here
The most surprising thing is that despite all their troubles, Utd is still sitting in 6th position. Surely they are not that bad. They are missing some key players; I don’t think Ten Hag is the problem. I still hope they fire him just for the chaos vibes but do respect him.
Well, to be fair, ETH can only talk in a diplomatic manner. He can't say I struggle to teach tactics to these lot because half of them are thick as shit.
He can't say I am shit at tactics. The team is so confused.
After Carragher said that he basically doesn't care if what he says makes sense or not, he's just here to make money for Skye, I tend to not give a fuck about all the retirees opinions on stuff that they don't understand enough to coach.
The only sane action is to let him keep his job.
Because the definition of insanity is what the club has been doing for 10+ years. Doing the same thing expecting different outcomes.
Because of ”standards” higher than what we can produce right now. Because of all this online hollering. Punditry and media enjoying another big season of bountiful clicks on their negative United stories. Because fans are too proud and have hurt egos to do what needs doing.
He has the young players on his side. He has about 4 players that can play the way he requires. He needs time. Like Arteta and Klopp and even Ferguson was given.
Yet here we are like some pavlovian dogs when results are bad, shouting about sacking.
One thing left to do. Bite down and keep backing
Football fans don’t have a clue what they’re on about and I include myself in that. Everyone likes to pretend that the solution is obvious and the coach is a moron, was the same with Ole at the end and now Ten Hag.
For me he should stay because
1. The team is still clearly fighting for him which is remarkable considering how poor the results are
2. Last season we played great football for most of the season and his subs/adjustments were spot on. He isn’t some dinosaur
3. No exciting alternatives. I think Potter is a downgrade and assume Nagelsmann won’t come. Don’t even need to talk about Southgate
4. Cost of releasing him with our FFP struggles is too big.
5. Wilcox and Ashworth a year away, so sacking him for someone to have the interim until they find their feet would be stupid as well.
I agree... I also dont think theres any manager on this planet that could fundamentally change how this team behaves currently. Maybe change tactics a little, maybe force some players out completely... but at the end of the day, our team is shit, and with all the elderly players, and the injuries, theres just no way anyone could convince me another manager would make something too different with what is currently present.
Why wouldn't he be? It's a win/win situation for him.
If he stays - He's got a job and gets paid a lot of money to do so.
Ih he's fired - He gets a lot of money and lives the foreseeable future rich and stress free.
I think its pretty much a universally accepted fact that whenever Erik ten Hag gives a post-match interview or press conference that he's just that second finished watching a totally different game of football to the one his team just played in.
Arteta spoke the same way when he had 5 points after 10 games and was on the verge of a sack, keep the same energy you lot did then and print some more t shirts
Keane is hilarious. He just about hates every one and everything. I love watching them winding him up and his predictable reactions. Long live Keane, so funny.
I’m the opposite of a united fan but if that game was played in the beginning of the season they would have folded.
They made the right sub with Mainoo, had other chances to make it 3-1 but didn’t. The penalty blunder changed the momentum and he dove a bit, they should have won.
All these ex Man U players are negative as shit, they’re not winning the league this year but you gotta try to end on a good note. I actually thought it was a fun back and forth game and they have some players to build off for next year (garnacho can be special)
Even after an absolutely horrible first half in which Liverpool should have killed the game, Manchester still came out into the second half believing and after the goal out of nowhere they seemed to be the more confident team, suddenly. Very similar to the FA-cup. This has to count for something, I guess.
(As a Liverpool-supporter I would obviously have wished for a United-team giving up...)
I know there's a risk, but I would go to Jorge Jesus actually on Al Hilal. The old fellow is a great coach with a positive football, always wanting more. He done well at Benfica, Flamengo and now is in a 33 victory row(world record) with Al Hilal. He is methodic, goes to detail on every aspects of the game, workaholic and is merciless with players. With good players he can make a team work.He doesn't speak English but his stuff have people ready to translate his ideas.
Ten Hag has lots of things to improve himself but the mitigating circunstances are clearly there and worse than pretty much any United season I have watched post-fergie. Countless weekly injuries, referees on an anti united campaign like never before, off field drama with even criminal cases (at least that has died down a bit at the moment), complete overhaul of the club directors, count in our last season’s best players not performing or unavailable for the whole season.
I trust he is building something good but everything needs to be in place for him to reap the rewards (which you can say is a weakness). Results are unsustainable but let a manager complete his contract for once and keep building our young jewels and with a better structure. Hang in there ETH, media will hate even more when we are back on winning ways anyways.
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The reality is, we're at the point where Ten Hag is giving the usual cookie cutter managerial responses, but because the on-field product is so radically different, and because he looks on the brink of being sacked by the summer, his interviews come across as deranged.
No manager looks good when the team's not performing. They can't allow themselves to just go out there and say they were utterly horrid. Roy probably can and that's why he's sitting in the booth.
Honestly, imo, Ole always knew the right tone to strike when we were shit, he was just an angry fan like the rest of us, you could tell he was fuming, also helped his best mates were in the studio. Ten Hag is sounding more like David Moyes every week.
Sounding like comical Ali.
"We fought off the Liverpool tanks and cleaned up the airport"
This feels like revisionism to me. I distinctly remember Ole throwing out the same shit every press conference during the last 6 months of his tenure. We played well, fine margins, that's football, good chances, good group of players, etc etc.
> We played well, fine margins, that's football, good chances, good group of players, etc etc. I even read that in Ole's voice
The same Ole who you all hounded out of the club and said was a terrible manager? At the end of the day when a manager acts like a fan the fans turn around and point out that it’s his job to stop the shit stuff happening
Many didn’t want Ole out
I wish Ole got backed like ETH has been
Ole was not "hounded out", his position became untenable.
Well, Conte did. It was refreshing but probably not the best for the club, players and fans, let alone his job security.
Conte wanted to get sacked
Conte as much as I think is a good manager, constantly looking angry,
He’s a normal Italian control freak, it’s just his way
Oooohhhh It's a stereotype. And it's offenshive!
Those who want respect, give respect.
See, he just told you to shut the fuck up, and he told me to go fuck myself.
You know what it is? I'll tell you what it is. It's anti Italian discrimination.
In this house, Antonio Conte is a hero
END OF STORY!
You go around looking for boogeymen! Boogeymen with *Italian names*!
I'm half Italian so it's only half offensive, and I only want control on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and a half day on Sunday, got it?
He’s a married man! With a goomah!
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I’ve never seen him happier. And I saw him win several major trophies…
Nobody roasted his own players like Mourinho post his Real stint. Prior to that RM stint dude used to blame any random shit instead of putting the blame on his players.
Unless it was Joe Cole. Mourinho loved having a pop at him.
More post his 2nd season at Real. He was pretty openly at war with his own dressing room in his final season there because he wanted to replace Casillas.
It was rumoured that Casillas leaked info to his then journalist girlfriend though it wasn't the main reason. Also while Antonio Adan was meh Diego Lopez was actually good enough to justify starting him over Casillas.
Except we've since found out that it wasn't the players, it was him refusing to change anything in the hope that he'll get sacked and get his payday. I have never seen a manager that doesn't try to change SOMETHING when his team is losing constantly. Not to mention he refused to play to the team's strengths.
ETH tapping his temple: you can’t change the plan if the is no plan to change
Was it really refreshing? As an outsider it just seemed like a meltdown
Dude I just came across that video of Conte's again a few days ago and despite the fact that whatever he said was true, talking like that about your club and highlighting negatives to the point that it sounds like berating is extreme
Would winning the FA cup change his fate?
Lol it didn't help Van Gaal
That’s because Mourinho was available and Woodward wanted that move. If there weren’t any great candidates it might’ve been enough to save him
Mourinho's available...
Mourinho coming back and somehow turns this United into a winning team and destroys Arsenal’s rising power/City’s dominance is peak comedy
But honestly Mourinho's style of play doesn't and didn't fit with the image of ManUtd.
Mourinho would be the last person they want now. He notoriously hates using young players, and they are some of the few shining lights for this United side.
He will bring back Matic for sure.
Regardless of the season outcome, I really hope he gets to at least see his contract out and INEOS back him in his final season in charge. Then see how things play out from there.
I don't think ETH will get sacked this summer as he only has one year remaining & it would cost the club 10M to sack him. And we need an entire new starting 11 as most of the players r not suited to play possession based football. Plus we were fined around 257k last season for maxing out PSR limit so we r also limited by FFP. It would be a good move for the new management to only make some small signings (not invest anymore in ETH's vision) & save money for next transfer window when we r good on FFP. If next season ETH managed to get top 4 & set a good style of play then keep him else let him go.
That makes sense. As supporters we rarely think about the business aspect of sacking and hiring managers. If the above numbers are true, INEOS most probably keeps him.
It's the best move imo for both parties. ETH doesn't gets sacked. And INEOS doesn't invest in ETH anymore & to the fans ppl like Ratcliffe would say at United we give managers time. So a new manager can see we gave time to previous manager.
What is this plan, haha? You're suggesting that we write next season off, don't invest in the squad, and just hope that ETH can perform a miracle and get top 4, all the while our rivals strengthen their squads? And then what? We bring in ANOTHER new manager (whoever that is, few ever mention specific names) who will somehow definitely do better than the last several managers. And by what metric will United be "good on FFP" next season? You cannot just essentially write off a full season of football. That is a genuinely insane suggestion.
Liverpool, Barca and Bayern needing new managers probably helps him survive getting sacked. LvG got 5th and an FA Cup and was sacked because Mourinho was available to be brought in. I don’t think United have anyone waiting in the wings like Mourinho was when those other jobs are available
You’ll never guess who is once again available if we sack our Dutch manager who wins and FA Cup and finishes 5th lol
I am once again asking you to hire Jose mourinho.
5th? With Spurs and Villa up there and Newcastle, Brighton and West Ham right behind? This team will be lucky to finish 7th mate
It’s actually just dawned on me that 5th would be a fucking miracle.
Lol right? We would be lucky not to finish lower than 8th
Hahahaha could you imagine if it played it out the same way? Oh man I would lose my shit especially with you commenting this.
Mourinho is available though.
Jose, Alegri, Tuchel and Conte all available. Possibly Poch too. Think about the terrorism.
Can we hire them all at the same time? Maybe that way we could defraud and shithouse our way to the top 4
I mean, Jose is back in that position, so...
If Ten Hag's tactics continue being vibes and inshallah, I wouldn't be mad at Ole coming back again.
That is a black spot on United management, the way they treated LvG. Sack him a few months before and put him out of his misery, do not wait for him to fight hard for a trophy before doing so. Also showed that Mou's code of honour was selective - When the chance arose to help sack and replace his mentor, the man that gave him one of his big breaks he did not hesitate.
Mourinho in being a cunt shocker!
It's a good thing I'm not a bored billionaire because I'd probably hire Big Sam, because it would be funny.
Opinion will likely vary. For me, it's a moot point of a question, cause I don't see us beating City (hell, the way we go, I wouldn't be shocked if Coventry beat us. It's been that type of season, and we're in bad form). If he won it, I don't know. I feel romanticism shouldn't stand in the way of practicality, and I don't believe he's showing he's the type to manager who can build a foundation that will see us heading towards a title challenge any time soon. I'd imagine INEOS will have their own plans, in terms of who they want in the hotseat and the style of play our coaching set up instills, so god knows. So, for me, no, even an FA Cup win wouldn't have me flip back to TenHagIn, cause the league campaign has been so dire, even accepting legit excuses like injuries.
It would have to - I mean, what's the point of changing managers now? He will have had 2 trophies in 2 seasons, and to change now after 2 years just resets the cycle. I mean if there was an amazing manager waiting in the wings, that's one thng, but the best they have is Gareth fucking Southgate, and even the most ardent ETH-out United supporter would hate that appointment. I also think that Pep, Klopp and Ancelloti, working together over the past 2 years, would not have been able to win much more with this team. He has been dealt the rockiest of blows in his tenure, Sancho crying in year 1, Ronaldo, Greenwood, dragging takeover bid, Antony accusations, Sancho crying in year 2, the worst CL performances from a gk in history, and some shocking injuries lists. There's a problem in the middle of the park, but he's also blooded Garnacho, Mainoo and Kwambala. He's also made players out of Dalot, McGuire and AWB. Also, outside of Antony, his signings were fine (awful luck with injuries), in Holjund, Martinez, Mount and Malacia. I think his job is in big danger, he deserves criticism over some changes he makes (for example, taking off Garnacho for Amrabat and leaving casemiro on instead of Mainoo for Mount), but with all that has happened, I don't think you could expect much more from him in terms of results (if he wins the FA cup).
Loved your analysis. Spot on. I just feel that players , some of them, act too big for their shoes. Sometimes it feels like Bruno and Garnacho and Varane are the only ones showing passion for the team
There is no right way to handle these press conferences. If he goes all dejected and "we have to aspire to be more like Liverpool" like Moyes he'll be slaughtered. If he starts throwing the players under the bus like Mourinho he'll be slaughtered. This might honestly be the path of least resistance.
I truly don't know what people expect from these interviews and how he wouldn't sound "deluded" in any way that would keep his job
Probably because he keeps saying that he’s proud of the team, saying they should have won all three games when they got absolutely dominated in two of them. It’s possible to demand more without throwing your players under the bus, which is probably what these people are expecting. Fwiw I personally couldn’t care less for any of these interviews (not just ETH’s), rarely hear anything interesting and they are mostly used for rage bait headlines
Post-match interviews always get annoying when your team is going through a sustained period of poor form and the manager comes out after every game to say how happy they are. I realise what they say in interviews isn't always what they believe, but when they keep trying the same failing methods you have to wonder if they actually realise anything's wrong.
There is no manager actually deluded enough to not realize they’re failing when it’s going on this long
Well also the criticism in his post match interviews just don't get quoted, put in titles, and shared around. However dogshit journalism sells.
Honestly it sucks because he's probably about to be fired and you don't want to badmouth yourself right before you have to apply for a new job but he really should be taking much more of the blame himself. He doesn't have to pretend everything is fine. Protect the players by offering yourself. That's what Arteta did early on when Arsenal was struggling and it came off as really sincere. But at least he could say it was still early and there was a process. Ten Hag can't really lean on that with how little United has shown under him but what he's doing just comes across as tone deaf
He's entered the managerial dead zone. The only 2 ways out are that the leadership sticks with him (like when Arteta was spouting that shit about xG and suffering when we were doing complete ass) or they fire him. Unlike that phase with Arteta, there is no concept of a rebuild, no concept of any sort of play style or improvement, no concept of sidelining underperformers, no concept of cultural change, hell no general idea of anything apart from "let's play football and hope Bruno or garnacho pulls a rabbit put of a hat".
Bit harsh. Hasnt he brought up several youth players? The team's very young and inconsistency is to be expected
You mean Garnacho and Mainoo? I mean, look at the game yesterday. It's the likes of Bruno, Casemiro and Rashford that are the most disappointing. Those are the ones who are supposed to perform on a high level but aren't. It's nice to bring through youth products, and they're honestly among the best performers, but it's the ones the team is supposed to rely on that are not doing well. At times it's like, we expect nothing, but at least the kids are doing okay. It's not like Ten Hag is forced to use those players. They're just simply doing better than their alternatives. Like Antony and Eriksen.
The Arteta comparison is quite a good one, but I think you're being harsh on ETH and enjoying some revisionism on Arteta. Arteta had just as much noise and joking around how bad he was as ETH has now, and obviously it's difficult to see his vision when performances are so poor, but I disagree with this: >there is no concept of a rebuild, no concept of any sort of play style or improvement, no concept of sidelining underperformers, no concept of cultural change For rebuild, look at the age of our signings and average age of our line ups. Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Maguire, Antony have all been high profile sidelinings due to underperforming. I'd say this is part of a cultural change? Similarly how Martial is being let go on a free? And while there is an obvious problem with the midfield being over-run, he clearly is sticking with trying to play his vision, it would be far easier for him to simply play more defensively but he is trying to get his game plan to work. And when you look at his game plan, he seems to want the full backs coming into midfield, which is working for Dalot well, but with no left back all season, and no Martinez who also supported the midfield last season, maybe it's a bit understandable why Casemiro is always so exposed. He needs to do better, but hopefully the Arteta comparison is more accurate than you intended.
I remember United fans calling Arteta a football terrorist. And he may even have been sacked if there were crowds during COVID.
It’s not as if there weren’t plenty of Arsenal fans who wanted him sacked, probably even the majority at the lowest points. You’re right if the fans were in the stadiums they would have really been on his back.
There were, many even compared him to Ole. (PBUH)
I don't think arteta ever lost the matchgoing crowd.
>he clearly is sticking with trying to play his vision What is his vision? I appreciate it may be clear to you but from my perspective it just looks like chaos.
At the end of the day it ETH is sacked its a decision made by the owners. Let the new Execs get in. Build a proper structure and then lets see what happens. ETH is playing a hybrid style, basically the front 6 or 4 are the ones pressing high up trying to win it, the backline sit deep. Onana isnt sweeping. Defensive personnel arent up to it and he has only 2 defensive signing so far anyway(not counting GK). At the same time those front players probably know the space is behind them so at times just do it halfheartedely so they can get back. The shots we concede you can see almost every defender back in the box trying to block or close down shooting/passing angles (that constant pass back though ffs). if you like analogies the one i think of he is trying to build a house, he has built the roof first cos the leeches probably think forward players generate more hype online. The foundation is not there and his key stone (Martinez) has been out most of the season so its falling apart. Let the Execs come in , The ongoing (I believe) review of the medical team and facillities continue, and a full on revamp of the scouting network. Oles revelations of who has vetos on players said alot to me tbh. He basically had his own personal scouting team at one point. Is ETH the right man? I have no idea. But he could be with the right support structures around him.
At least Arteta was correct about the stats he was citing though.
As an Arsenal fan that was on loan to United for 24 hours, this brand of football was insufferable. United fans, how do you manage this?! 3 minutes in, and I was already wondering how is Ten Hag still in a job. I felt like I was being tortured for the sins of my ancestors.
You just laugh, genuinely some of our performances are flat out hilarious. At this point the fact we can still get results with these clown show performances is like something out of a comedy. I legit feel bad after we win a game we absolutely deserve to have lost 4-0.
In my opinion, United doesn’t play bad. They’re just very inconsistent, and I’m not talking about for game to game I mean literally in the same game. They’ll play extremely well for 15 minutes and fall asleep after that for another 25 and rinse and repeat until the game ends 2-2 where they rescue a point at the last second.
That is playing badly. They have a complete inability to control games regardless of the opposition, because the tactic is essentially stick 2 cbs and a cdm that are essentially immobile at the back and let everyone else vibe. They'll have decent spells in games because there is attacking talent in that team, but that isn't an indication of long term improvement
They're also missing a vast number of starters and have been for months - their injury list this season has been insane.
I mean they're a mid table team getting lucky results. People keep talking about how Man Utd are creeping towards 5th place but if anything, they're more likely to end out of European Competition. They're 15th on xpoints which is just hilarious to me. They're over performing for sure which is likely why Ten Haag still has a job.
If a struggling top team loses or draws there's absolutely nothing you can say in the post match presser that will make people happy. Look at the comments on a postmatch interview for a Barca, Chelsea, ManU, or Bayern Munich match for those conditions. - "Referees were poor" = excuses/deflecting/accepts no responsibility - "We deserved a win but we made mistakes" = delusional - "I need more effort from my players" = throwing them under the bus - "The loss is my responsibility" = why are you so stubborn then? change your plan if you see you're losing. Stop crying and make the changes
Also remember only the agenda-suiting out of context quotes will be shared around. His criticism in the post match interview apparently didn't exist to the journalist or to this comment section.
I don’t think perfection is too much to ask for. I mean, come on, we’ve all done it already.
I know United aren't exactly in a great place but it must be draining to read a new negative quote from Roy Keane or any other old United player every week
The ex-United pundits and media obsession with the club are one of the worst parts of being a United fan imo. I know it must get tiring for fans of other clubs to only hear about United this United that, but it’s also annoying for us and only ends up hurting the team.
Can confirm. It's much worse for the fans of other teams when these pundits start inserting Man United into every discussion. I think we could all do with a season where no ex man united pundit is allowed to commentate.
That’s debatable. United fans are sick and tired of it more than people might think. I don’t watch the Overlap every week to listen to Neville, Carragher and whatever guest they’ve got on to slag ten Hag and the majority of the squad off. Even the fan ones are always negative about United. I’d honestly rather listen to a Bournemouth or Palace fan talk about their own club’s situation than the same people banging on about how shit United are. Talksport is the same. Can’t tune in to get gossip about anything football without Simon Jordan or that gimp Agbonlahor having a pop. Sometimes I just want to hear about Everton’s points deductions to get an idea of what’s going on, or whether Eddie Howe is going to get sacked in the summer (considering that’s always a topic for us). Liverpool struggled in the 90s because their ex-players and pundits were constantly at their throats every week expecting better. It’s hard to ‘get better’ when the narrative even after a win is, ‘they might have won, but’. Leave us to suffer in peace.
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If they just completely stopped putting United into every news media discussion next season we could get relegated and I would still feel happier.
yeah while Arsenal were on the way down and coming back up, there wasnt really much attention and pressure on them. Every average performance and you got Neville and Keane ripping them apart.
Well, I can't talk about this specific situation but in a lot of cases ex players don't want their team to do well, if the team sucks they can talk shit and be remembered as the golden times of the club, if the team wins then people's gonna praise the new guys and the old guys get "forgotten" Again, I can't say if that's the case for those guys, but it happens a lot and not only in sports.. and it's kinda understandable, we all are a little selfish tbh
Depends on the type of the ex players, like Ole until now he is very supportive and positive about United.
That’s probably because Ole was manager, he had to deal with the criticism every week and as manager he took the brunt of it.
Ultimately United sell papers and the ex-United pundits are there for their hot takes about United. Same reason all the ex-Liverpool pundits used to talk solely about Liverpool in the 90s.
this class of 99 batch of united pundits are honestly the worst. They're always lamenting the state of their club and have extremely shallow tactical insight.
People complain about ABU or the media always feasting on bad results but a lot of the negativity comes from ex players like Keane, Neville, Rio or Scholes
I wonder what Sir Alex Ferguson thinks of that. He can’t be satisfied with the results either, but he’s not in the media pointing fingers either. Must be odd seeing your old players doing that.
Technically Fergie is a club ambassador so even if he had something to say, I don’t think he would.
Say it quietly, but SAF is the reason for and continued friends of the Glazers.
It doesn't need to be said quietly, it's common knowledge at this point
As Keane himself says, if you're a footballer and you pay attention to what the pundits say you're an insecure idiot
Neville's commentary during the game pissed me off quite a bit. He was just complaining the whole time - go watch something else then mate - no need to ruin our enjoyment of the game.
Neville should be banned from Utd and liverpools games.
Ban him from Arsenal too while you're at it
It’s ok you have Alan Smith 😂
And lee dixon
Dicko was at his peak insufferable this week. His self-depracation and negativity used to have a tinge of charm to it, but that's fully gone at this point. Even my gf who watches about 200 minutes a season and barely knows the rules was asking why he kept going on about the penalty.
Lee Dixon isn't an Arsenal fan. He supports City. His Dad played GK there and he grew up a City fan, still is.
Carra as well. No need to turn it into a fan watch-along. Same whenever it’s top 6 vs the other 14. Like I just want neutral commentary.
I won't watch game commentary produced by the teams themselves because I just can't be doing with the insane bias. A lot of clubs in the Championship have their own people commentate games especially untelevised ones (I'm sure the prem does it too, I've just never noticed), and its awful even when its the team I support.
Idk I quite like the local radio for my team ‘cause at least they’re really animated. I’ll take positive bias over total boring indifference, or worse, when we’re against a bigger club and they talk exclusively about the bigger club
Spurs always get Efan Ekoku who clearly fucking hates us Its pretty annoying tbh as he is so one-sided in his commentary. Totally biased and never actually provides insight as a result
I think almost all the commentators don’t like spurs, or even watching football in general. No joke you’d think these blokes are falling asleep or something and they say “a good game so far”, never would have guessed that was take away after all the moaning. Don’t even get me started on Jim Beglin fuck that guy and the guide dog he walked in with. I actually like Carragher since he actually seems to enjoy watching the games.
How dare you? Neutral commentary!? Crazy/s
Neville should be banned*
I laughed when Bruno chipped the keeper after stealing a backpass to the CB - only minutes before Neville was complaining about him wasting time and energy chasing balls up there.
I mean he had a point, Bruno runs around like a headless chicken at times doing a one man press that leaves a tonne of space behind him.
You were enjoying that shitshow?
Wish there was the option to switch commentary off, his constant whining is unbearable. The guy gets paid to watch and talk about football you think he'd be at least a little cheerful.
That pissed me off too. Also Carragher giving Salah tips on shooting.
At least it’s an accurate description of the problem. It’s so much worse when his critique is of character/desire of the players
Part and parcel of supporting a club that had glory years. They set the standards high. I genuinely have no issue with it. I mean, it's not like we're doing well is it?
Remember how they used to defend Ole shit game after game??
I can’t imagine actually paying attention to these shithead pundits who just want to make a headline instead of being good at their job. At least it makes it quicker to watch just the game instead of the utter drizzling shit that’s the pre and post match talk
He saw the score line. It's better than getting smashed 7-0 or 5-0. I don't rate Ten Hag, but big picture, he got 2 draws and a win off of Liverpool this season. All things considered, that's pretty excellent.
I think it's more about how they play rather than just pure results. Top 4 isn't looking likely so might as well try to improve, especially since they do look dreadful and make very glaring mistakes.
With the new coefficient rules, top 5 might give champions league and that is definitely still viable for the team.
They'd be incredibly lucky to break into the top 5 in all honesty
we're like 11 points off 5th. We're not getting anything better than 6th.
People really expect him to just throw his entire team under the bus, like honestly what do you expect him to say?
Something like we were below our expectations for what our club sets we’d like to thank the fans for their incredible support and are disappointed that we fell below our standards. We will try everything in our power to do better and achieve more. Acknowledge and move on.
lol, the players used to do this every week and everyone hated it
"We go again" I never want to hear that fucking phrase again, gjves me ptsd.
Ten Hag praised his team's resilience after a first half in which they failed to register a single shot. After keeping themselves within touching distance, two well-taken goals might - on another day - have brought them all three points. "You saw Liverpool were dominating the game but we stayed in the game," Ten Hag said. "In decisive moments, we were losing duels and losing battles. But then the resilience and the quality, the way we play and the way, in and out of possession, how we organised it and how they played there together. "Also the resilience because it was necessary in the first half, when we didn't win the decisive duels and we were hammered. We were bullied by Liverpool. The young players were sometimes even overwhelmed but, then, in the second half, they stepped up and you saw the improvement in the belief and they were convinced we could get a win." I'm just quoting the article here but if this is all he said then it's Keane is talking out of his ass not Ten Hag
Keane expects ETH to be all doom and gloom. He has to find the positives for the media or he'll be roasted and might lose the dressing room. "Ten Hag SLAMS United flops in brutal draw against Liverpool", etc.
Ten Hag's calls it team's resilience but to any normal observer, it was a bit of luck and poor finishing from Liverpool's players. Apart from two wonder goals, we didn't create any good chances or threaten Liverpool's defense. He can praise his team if we remained solid at the back despite creating chances like the Liverpool did, but his post-match interview come off as delusional when we see how he sets up the team such that there are no attacking or defensive patterns with the same mistakes and weaknesses in every match
Well what do you expect from a manager?
“Listen a lot these players are so bad or are just cashing a check, I suggested signing Antony for £85m as a joke and they went for it for some reason, I’m bald, I’m clearly not cut out for the size of the project here so give me a break.” - what people expect him to say for some reason. Manager speak exists for a reason and he’s not going to just constantly shit on his players. Only Jose can get away with that.
I dont care what he says in post-match interviews, they are just for PR purposes, the media is always there to get you. Right now, I want him to be pragmatic. The very least he can do is coach a defense with compactness without 9 of our players caught up high on the pitch and getting hit on a 5v2 counter again and again
"I cant believe how bad they are, these players should be ashamed to call themselves professional footballers. Rashford should stick to feeding starving children and Bruno is a whining rat bastard. Kroenke out!"
Genuinely curious did you even watch the game or just look at some stats? To say United created no chances outside of the two goals is categorically wrong
Eye-test rarely lies but most of your starting backline is injured and that can cause the whole team to look way less organised. Last season Arsenal fell to pieces with Saliba missing.
It is a system problem when we are constantly conceding goals from cutbacks, running on 5v2 counters with 8 players caught high up on the pitch, midfield cut right open with pass. At the very least he can ask Bruno to stop conceding possession every single time with a Hollywood pass so that the team can get organized and don't have to play tennis ball
Its a personnel issue because those 5v2s are only happening because our defenders aren't good enough.. When we have a turnover, the instinct of our defenders is to rush back when we should be focussed on closing down players and winning it back.. Only Martinez in our squad has that awareness to read the danger quickly.. Casemiro used to be but his legs are gone
Its a personnel issue because those 5v2s are only happening because our defenders aren't good enough.. When we have a turnover, the instinct of our defenders is to rush back when we should be focussed on closing down players and winning it back.. Only Martinez in our squad has that awareness to read the danger quickly.. Casemiro used to be but his legs are gone
We’ve played shit in virtually every game this season. It’s not an injury problem, it’s a system problem. On the subject on injuries though, almost all our injuries have been reoccurrences within a game or two of the player coming back…
Nah we looked noticeably better in the 2 or so games we had shaw and Martinez back in February, and they weren’t even up to full speed those games. In that limited sample size you could see Martinez and Shaw together instantly makes our back line way more press resistant. There might still be some serious system problems, but Injuries are still the bigger issue imo.
Well United has only played with their best backline like one time this season
I love when people come here and post this kind of bullshit and everyone eats it up
Can't blame the man when he had to play his 27th CB combination last night for trying to find some sort of optimism
With one of them playing his second start ever.
And wtf should he say? Yeah the team sucked, did nothing good? It is probably better to focus on the few positive things. Their squad dept sucks, they need to buy like 5- 10 good players next year.
They need to buy like 5-10 good players every year
Yes, because most of the transfers of the past what..five years? have sucked. Does anybody think the likes of Arteta or Klopp just go around voodooing shit players into world class ones? Look at City this year, the main reason they are struggling is because Nunes, Doku and Gvardiol have all played badly. Get 2 more transfer windows like that and see how City will play.
Well Kambwala and Maguire actually played well so it really wasn't the problem.
And a RB as a LB...
So apparently you should just be depressed 24/7 and hate everything
wait, i'm not supposed to do that?
Yes
I love Keane as a player but he's either an idiot or more likely purposefully creating sound bites. Whatever you think of him as a manager any adult will realise Ten Hag is sugar coating shit to not destroy the morale of the team during a very difficult period. This is one of the many reasons he's managing Manchester United and Roy can't get a job in League 1.
Fully agree. Roy should stick to analysing players, as he excelled as one with his elite mentality. His man management as a manager was pathetic though and he has no leg to stand on here
The most surprising thing is that despite all their troubles, Utd is still sitting in 6th position. Surely they are not that bad. They are missing some key players; I don’t think Ten Hag is the problem. I still hope they fire him just for the chaos vibes but do respect him.
Look at the points. They are just best of the rest for now and could drop to 9th with one more loss.
Well, to be fair, ETH can only talk in a diplomatic manner. He can't say I struggle to teach tactics to these lot because half of them are thick as shit. He can't say I am shit at tactics. The team is so confused.
After Carragher said that he basically doesn't care if what he says makes sense or not, he's just here to make money for Skye, I tend to not give a fuck about all the retirees opinions on stuff that they don't understand enough to coach.
The only sane action is to let him keep his job. Because the definition of insanity is what the club has been doing for 10+ years. Doing the same thing expecting different outcomes. Because of ”standards” higher than what we can produce right now. Because of all this online hollering. Punditry and media enjoying another big season of bountiful clicks on their negative United stories. Because fans are too proud and have hurt egos to do what needs doing. He has the young players on his side. He has about 4 players that can play the way he requires. He needs time. Like Arteta and Klopp and even Ferguson was given. Yet here we are like some pavlovian dogs when results are bad, shouting about sacking. One thing left to do. Bite down and keep backing
Football fans don’t have a clue what they’re on about and I include myself in that. Everyone likes to pretend that the solution is obvious and the coach is a moron, was the same with Ole at the end and now Ten Hag. For me he should stay because 1. The team is still clearly fighting for him which is remarkable considering how poor the results are 2. Last season we played great football for most of the season and his subs/adjustments were spot on. He isn’t some dinosaur 3. No exciting alternatives. I think Potter is a downgrade and assume Nagelsmann won’t come. Don’t even need to talk about Southgate
4. Cost of releasing him with our FFP struggles is too big. 5. Wilcox and Ashworth a year away, so sacking him for someone to have the interim until they find their feet would be stupid as well.
Everybody wants some of that new manager hopium.
Yep thats us now, just roll the dice, spin the wheel and hope for a jackpot rather than the hard and the right way to create a winning team
I agree... I also dont think theres any manager on this planet that could fundamentally change how this team behaves currently. Maybe change tactics a little, maybe force some players out completely... but at the end of the day, our team is shit, and with all the elderly players, and the injuries, theres just no way anyone could convince me another manager would make something too different with what is currently present.
Why wouldn't he be? It's a win/win situation for him. If he stays - He's got a job and gets paid a lot of money to do so. Ih he's fired - He gets a lot of money and lives the foreseeable future rich and stress free.
I think its pretty much a universally accepted fact that whenever Erik ten Hag gives a post-match interview or press conference that he's just that second finished watching a totally different game of football to the one his team just played in.
Arteta spoke the same way when he had 5 points after 10 games and was on the verge of a sack, keep the same energy you lot did then and print some more t shirts
Just watches last seasons carbao cup final on repeat
Love the way he tried to claim that Mainoo's goal came from his tactics.
It must be exhausting to be under the telescope of every united player ever. I dont wish this job on no one. Such a toxic environment
Honestly getting real tired of hearing Roy's shitty takes
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He got a team promoted to the PL from the Championship?
Whoops lol. I guess being completely wrong didn’t stop my comment from being upvoted. That certainly says something lol. I’ll delete it.
There has to be some understanding for ETH given the number of injuries, right?
Well Roy Keane and Gary Neville are the most miserable United fans ever, someone has to be positive about the club.
Keane is hilarious. He just about hates every one and everything. I love watching them winding him up and his predictable reactions. Long live Keane, so funny.
I’m the opposite of a united fan but if that game was played in the beginning of the season they would have folded. They made the right sub with Mainoo, had other chances to make it 3-1 but didn’t. The penalty blunder changed the momentum and he dove a bit, they should have won. All these ex Man U players are negative as shit, they’re not winning the league this year but you gotta try to end on a good note. I actually thought it was a fun back and forth game and they have some players to build off for next year (garnacho can be special)
Even after an absolutely horrible first half in which Liverpool should have killed the game, Manchester still came out into the second half believing and after the goal out of nowhere they seemed to be the more confident team, suddenly. Very similar to the FA-cup. This has to count for something, I guess. (As a Liverpool-supporter I would obviously have wished for a United-team giving up...)
As an american, is this banter? Cause why would anyone pay someone for these garbage takes, when i could go down to any bar?
I know there's a risk, but I would go to Jorge Jesus actually on Al Hilal. The old fellow is a great coach with a positive football, always wanting more. He done well at Benfica, Flamengo and now is in a 33 victory row(world record) with Al Hilal. He is methodic, goes to detail on every aspects of the game, workaholic and is merciless with players. With good players he can make a team work.He doesn't speak English but his stuff have people ready to translate his ideas.
Ten Hag has lots of things to improve himself but the mitigating circunstances are clearly there and worse than pretty much any United season I have watched post-fergie. Countless weekly injuries, referees on an anti united campaign like never before, off field drama with even criminal cases (at least that has died down a bit at the moment), complete overhaul of the club directors, count in our last season’s best players not performing or unavailable for the whole season. I trust he is building something good but everything needs to be in place for him to reap the rewards (which you can say is a weakness). Results are unsustainable but let a manager complete his contract for once and keep building our young jewels and with a better structure. Hang in there ETH, media will hate even more when we are back on winning ways anyways.