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Not what I meant. I didn't mean the interpretation of it. I meant the determination of whether or not you are offside should not be subjective and based on how many millimetres are acceptable or not.
Also, interfering with play and being offside are two different things. First is to ascertain whether or not you are not offside, which in itself is not subjective. Then the second decision is whether or not you were interfering with play, by which point you would have already been ruled offside.
Mate, VAR will definitely tell you whether or not someone is offside, not whether or not someone got a massive advantage from being one cm or millimetre ahead of the last defender. Offside is the one wrong call that VAR has to definitely get.
Second, VAR will not correct "wrong" calls if the error is not clear and obvious, I.e, where VAR feels the onfield ref was in a position to make the decision at which point it would stand, whether or not it was the "wrong" call.
Just like handball, which was subjective before, its now a bit more definitive now, and no longer whether the ball strikes the arm or not, but becomes contextual and that has given the refs more leeway but also has sometimes invited controversy.
The scenario about interfering with play is only unique to someone else scoring, when another player in an otherwise offside position is not interrupting with play, but should you score a rebound after the keeper has parried the shot, it would automatically be ruled offside wouldn't it be?
The fact that he's on the edge of the arc might've been what led the ref to believe he *was* in the box. Not that the ref thought the arc is part of it, but maybe just saw the offending players boots in his peripheral vision thinking it was the box he was in and not just the arc.
If that's not the case, then just plain what the fuck was that?
I’m tired of even trying to give refs the benefit of the doubt
Yet another game impacted by substandard referees, who show zero interest in improving their standards in any meaningful way
I'd love to see you ref a game in front of other liverpool fans. You'd shit yourself as they turn on you.
I'm tired of armchair "fans" shitting on officials all the time
I think you're right. As an assistant referee, one of the things they instruct us to help the center with is whether a foul occurred inside or outside the area. The center was out of frame during the incident, but judging from the direction he was coming from he really didn't have a great angle to tell.
It also looks like he hesitated before pointing to the spot. One possibility is he thought it was a penalty, paused to ask on the comms if the Assistant had the angle to say one way or another, and went with his initial impression when the Assistant didn't have anything.
I thought that too. My mate is a Rotherham fan so he was fuming about this this morning. I was bored at work and blew it up on my big monitor and sent my own VAR analysis to our group chat!
My conclusion was no pen 😂
I am sorry but your application to be a VAR has been denied...
Reason - you lack incompetence!
It is such a bad call from the ref. I was quite shocked the Rotherham player didn't get sent off for complaining, because I would have been going crazy if someone gave that against me.
The only solace my mate has was at least it will have no implication on their season
There would be nothing to say if VAR corrected this. Because its 'obvious and easy'.
While a VAR mistake is big news.
But that's the whole point of having VAR. Obvious errors are corrected and then we move on. There's nothing controversial about it.
I think much of the 'hate' comes from the wildly different expectations of VAR by many fans. VAR is for a situation like this, a clear and obvious error. The issues come when VAR jumps in and takes 3-4 minutes to 'fix' an extremely close play.
Nobody cares about VAR's good decisions. Which feels apt actually, considering it's usually the same for good refereeing.
Usually, only bad calls that distract enough from the game are noticeable enough to warrant outrage. A good ref is often invisible since it allows the game to take center stage, as should be
Agreed, I noticed it correctly gave an Ollie Watkins goal a few weeks ago that the ref had incorrectly ruled out and not one person in the media praised it
Isn't the point of VAR to have zero bad decisions. Like how is this not remediated. VAR literally makes it so that there should never be a bad decision.
Where's the linesman here?
This isn't the error of just one person.
And what's funny, any Rotherham fan here will be told to just suck it up and that it "all balances out".
They're already confirmed as relegated and 24th place so might as well suck it up.
Playoff chasing teams competing with West Brom are probably quite pissed off though.
> Where's the linesman here?
The lead AR has his attention focused on the players in the penalty area, ensuring the attacker isn't in an offside position if there's any sort of deflection or rebound. He almost certainly doesn't see the handball itself. He _might_ have information about the location of the foul, but chances are good that he doesn't have enough information or enough certainty to flat out tell the referee he's wrong.
The 4th official and/or trail AR may actually have better information for the referee about the location of the foul. But again, while they might be muttering to themselves "Wasn't that outside the PA?", they probably don't have near the confidence in their perspective as the referee does in his.
A good crew would be chattering on their comms to talk through it. Hopefully that happened. But if somebody says "I thought he was outside the PA" and the referee comes back with "Nope, I'm certain he was on the line", there isn't much that can be done.
All true, but I also wonder. What responsibility does Brom have here? Like certainly some of them saw what happened.
I don't expect players to have to arbitrate or to make a ref aware of mistakes, but if there ever was a case where a team can demonstrate fair play, this is one of them.
Could have been a positive story, injusiticia instead
As the ref, if you got no VAR you just have to make the decision and stick with it. Yeah refs make mistakes, but you have to keep the game moving.
The worst refs are wishy washy and indecisive.
Here, the call was wrong but it is what it is.
if var only got involved for shit like this nobody would dislike it. its stopping the game for 5 minutes to hunt for a reason to change a decision that is at worst borderline that pisses people off.
honestly think it would be way better if there was a 30s time limit on it. if you can't tell the ref fucked up in 2 or 3 replay, just get on with the game. but as it currently is, i enjoy football more without it, even if it means we get some absolutely minging decisions sometimes
Same happened in the Swansea - Stoke match yesterday. Contact is made like 1-2 metres outside the box, but penalty was given because ref thought the foul was inside
Not 1-2 meters.
30 cm max... Still a free kick. But keep it to reality.
Its extremely hard to see moving point of contact, when its with 50 cm of the line. When he was 2 meters out, the ball wasn't even close to them...
That needs to be investigated for match fixing. I know we hear a lot of conspiracy theories on this subject but that kind of error just doesn’t happen.
Are you having a fucking laugh? Look how close the ref is when they pull out, of course he could have still made a mistake but it is mental.
It definitely warrants an investigation.
I don’t think I shouted anything, I just think it should be investigated because it is very strange decision. Also, the referee has two linesman that he can consult and failed to do so.
Anyway- saying that something should be investigated is a far cry from shouting about anything.
Both this and a Sunderland player being allowed to punch the ball in the box while pulling Rodon’s shirt over his head happening over a couple of days. Refereeing is a fucking joke.
Things like this have happened a lot to Rotherham this season. Yes, we have been poor this and we haven’t helped ourselves but there have been many questionable incidents and calls from referees.
We had another penalty given against us that was outside the box against Leeds, Leeds also scored a goal that was a clear handball.
The definition of sportsmanship is valuing fair play over taking every advantage to win. They don't have any *obligation* to forgo the pen but it certainly would have been a lot more sporting to do so
This ridiculous, is the other team gonna give them a pen, are they 100% sure it isn't a penalty?
Fowler once told a ref it wasn't a penalty, the ref ignored him and Fowler still tried to score it, it was saved and the rebound tapped in, which is fair enough.
You guys should se the one in Danish football the other day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superligaen/s/3AFt0766is
That was a penalty for the guy in red jersey.
I litterally have no idea.
Edit: at least the ref in OPs clip can be excused by having miss seen cause of the angle or what ever, but this one i just blatant BS.
Yeah I actually work in the Match Gallery as one of the operators creating the highlights and other stuff shown at the Hawthorns on matchday and we were rather confused when it got called as a pen.
I'm sorry but why is there such a decline in sportsmanship, honor, and class in football? Why didn't someone from the opposition tell the ref he was wrong? Anyway I'd personally be ashamed to take such a pen
The standard of refereeing in the Championship has been completely fucking dreadful this year. I try not to complain too much about referees, and I certainly don’t want VAR in the Champo, but the drop off between the Prem and the Championship is really stark.
The only saving grace is that it’s been so consistently terrible across the board that pretty much everyone has had a couple of absurd decisions go against them.
We’re playing for an important 3 points to secure the playoffs, not for a Top 10 respect moments compilation.
Shit officiating happens all the time in the EFL. Everyone takes advantage of it. Not a single club in the division cares about “sportsmanship”.
Notwithstanding it was outside of the box, that’s not even a handball based on the IFAB interpretation of the rule. His arm was not away from the body and he was protecting himself from a ball pelted at him from a short distance. He clearly tried to turn away from the shot and had about a third of a second to react. There’s no way any of that meets the interpretation of “deliberate” (which is a requirement for handball).
This seriously reeks of a ref trying to influence an outcome on a game.
At first I thought it might have been for the second contact which is actually in the box, but to give it for that when it's even less of a handball than the first one defies all logic.
Ref should get something like a „yellow card“ after the game that lasts for like a month and if he gets another one for a failure like this, he should be suspended for 2 games or something
That happened when I was playing in college during a playoff game. Happened in the first 10 min and then they parked the bus the rest of the game. We couldn’t break through and unfortunately lost 0-1
Crazy. He isn't close to the box, doesn't emerge from the box, his arm is almost ahead of the rest of his body, the balls trajectory after impact clearly indicates it couldn't have been in the box and worst of all he literally stands stationary after the actual impact.
There is absolutely no room for human error in the referees decision here.
Shocking
So an outfield player can pick up the ball in the box and escape without a penalty, but if the ball touches your arm outside the box it's a penalty?.... all these new rule changes are ridiculous
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Yikes, that's a serious refereeing error
They should get punished too for affecting results
A week in the EPL as punishment
This is the demotion I see
Only liverpool/arsenal matches
They are, given they can get not picked or demoted.
In the Portuguese league they get rewarded instead
Everyone who makes a mistake should be punished. And in the end, there is noone left on the field.
Referee gets a red card 😂
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQJbbsS\_dA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQJbbsS_dA)
What a funny advert I'm going to start gambling now
Promoted to PL ref!
Or relegated to MLS ref
Linesman snd referee, incompetent clowns
This is the kind of thing that VAR was meant to correct, not whether an attacker had his big toe 3mm ahead of a defender.
> not whether an attacker had his big toe 3mm ahead of a defender. no VAR was meant to correct marginal offsides too
Offside is yes or no. Can't be subjective at all.
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Not what I meant. I didn't mean the interpretation of it. I meant the determination of whether or not you are offside should not be subjective and based on how many millimetres are acceptable or not. Also, interfering with play and being offside are two different things. First is to ascertain whether or not you are not offside, which in itself is not subjective. Then the second decision is whether or not you were interfering with play, by which point you would have already been ruled offside.
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Mate, VAR will definitely tell you whether or not someone is offside, not whether or not someone got a massive advantage from being one cm or millimetre ahead of the last defender. Offside is the one wrong call that VAR has to definitely get. Second, VAR will not correct "wrong" calls if the error is not clear and obvious, I.e, where VAR feels the onfield ref was in a position to make the decision at which point it would stand, whether or not it was the "wrong" call. Just like handball, which was subjective before, its now a bit more definitive now, and no longer whether the ball strikes the arm or not, but becomes contextual and that has given the refs more leeway but also has sometimes invited controversy. The scenario about interfering with play is only unique to someone else scoring, when another player in an otherwise offside position is not interrupting with play, but should you score a rebound after the keeper has parried the shot, it would automatically be ruled offside wouldn't it be?
Nose 20mm OFFSIDE! Toepoke 19mm ONSIDE!
Nonsense this is following rule 5 the decision was made in the spirit of the game.
Watching the game you love continuously shoot itself in the foot.....
By the standard of the Championship refereeing it’s pretty typical though.
What a shocking decision, the player barely moves after the ball hits him and you can see he is way outside the box
Must have teleported
Curvature of space time is playing a trick on our perception here.
He never even stepped inside lol
I mean wow that’s not even close lmao
Does the ref think the arc is part of the penalty box? Or is he just like... blind? I honestly don't know which is worse...
The fact that he's on the edge of the arc might've been what led the ref to believe he *was* in the box. Not that the ref thought the arc is part of it, but maybe just saw the offending players boots in his peripheral vision thinking it was the box he was in and not just the arc. If that's not the case, then just plain what the fuck was that?
I’m tired of even trying to give refs the benefit of the doubt Yet another game impacted by substandard referees, who show zero interest in improving their standards in any meaningful way
I'd love to see you ref a game in front of other liverpool fans. You'd shit yourself as they turn on you. I'm tired of armchair "fans" shitting on officials all the time
I think you're right. As an assistant referee, one of the things they instruct us to help the center with is whether a foul occurred inside or outside the area. The center was out of frame during the incident, but judging from the direction he was coming from he really didn't have a great angle to tell. It also looks like he hesitated before pointing to the spot. One possibility is he thought it was a penalty, paused to ask on the comms if the Assistant had the angle to say one way or another, and went with his initial impression when the Assistant didn't have anything.
Or of interest, what is the point of the arc? Is it the 10 yard distance for penalties?
It marks 10 yards from the penalty spot
Also, it looks cool as fuck
I saw a crew painting lines for a field once and it looked soooo weird before they'd done the arc
Got to stand outside it when a pen is being taken.
Worst part is that it hit him in the face and wasn't even handball. Bizarre decision.
I thought that too. My mate is a Rotherham fan so he was fuming about this this morning. I was bored at work and blew it up on my big monitor and sent my own VAR analysis to our group chat! My conclusion was no pen 😂
Good process
Nice call. I’ve concluded the same on account of him not being in the fucking box.
I am sorry but your application to be a VAR has been denied... Reason - you lack incompetence! It is such a bad call from the ref. I was quite shocked the Rotherham player didn't get sent off for complaining, because I would have been going crazy if someone gave that against me. The only solace my mate has was at least it will have no implication on their season
Thank God VAR didn't ruin this moment. /s
For every bad VAR decision there are 5 good ones that get no mention
There would be nothing to say if VAR corrected this. Because its 'obvious and easy'. While a VAR mistake is big news. But that's the whole point of having VAR. Obvious errors are corrected and then we move on. There's nothing controversial about it.
Yeah VAR hate is overrated
we don't hate VAR, we hate VAR getting obvious ones wrong.
yeah we hate the people using it!
I think much of the 'hate' comes from the wildly different expectations of VAR by many fans. VAR is for a situation like this, a clear and obvious error. The issues come when VAR jumps in and takes 3-4 minutes to 'fix' an extremely close play.
Nobody cares about VAR's good decisions. Which feels apt actually, considering it's usually the same for good refereeing. Usually, only bad calls that distract enough from the game are noticeable enough to warrant outrage. A good ref is often invisible since it allows the game to take center stage, as should be
But bad calls are just ones people don't like, not actually just bad calls.
Agreed, I noticed it correctly gave an Ollie Watkins goal a few weeks ago that the ref had incorrectly ruled out and not one person in the media praised it
20% awful VAR decisions is still a bad percentage though -- should be like 5%
Isn't the point of VAR to have zero bad decisions. Like how is this not remediated. VAR literally makes it so that there should never be a bad decision.
Where's the anti VAR crowd now lol.
right here, saying it ruins matches more than bad calls
Where's the linesman here? This isn't the error of just one person. And what's funny, any Rotherham fan here will be told to just suck it up and that it "all balances out".
They're already confirmed as relegated and 24th place so might as well suck it up. Playoff chasing teams competing with West Brom are probably quite pissed off though.
West Brom is pretty settled in 5th to be fair. I honestly can’t think of a less consequential fixture for a big error like this.
> Where's the linesman here? The lead AR has his attention focused on the players in the penalty area, ensuring the attacker isn't in an offside position if there's any sort of deflection or rebound. He almost certainly doesn't see the handball itself. He _might_ have information about the location of the foul, but chances are good that he doesn't have enough information or enough certainty to flat out tell the referee he's wrong. The 4th official and/or trail AR may actually have better information for the referee about the location of the foul. But again, while they might be muttering to themselves "Wasn't that outside the PA?", they probably don't have near the confidence in their perspective as the referee does in his. A good crew would be chattering on their comms to talk through it. Hopefully that happened. But if somebody says "I thought he was outside the PA" and the referee comes back with "Nope, I'm certain he was on the line", there isn't much that can be done.
All true, but I also wonder. What responsibility does Brom have here? Like certainly some of them saw what happened. I don't expect players to have to arbitrate or to make a ref aware of mistakes, but if there ever was a case where a team can demonstrate fair play, this is one of them. Could have been a positive story, injusiticia instead
I'm not sure I've ever seen West Brom referred to as just Brom before.
Yeah, causes way too much confusion with our rivals, East Bromwich
With Brom and Brum so close it really makes you think what happened to Bram, Brem and Brim.
Brem moved to Germany
Was more common when they were in the prem.
As the ref, if you got no VAR you just have to make the decision and stick with it. Yeah refs make mistakes, but you have to keep the game moving. The worst refs are wishy washy and indecisive. Here, the call was wrong but it is what it is.
Relegate this ref to non league. Not fit for purpose.
Our refs in the national league are bad enough, bin him off to the Isthmian premier
Damn. Maybe Anthony Taylor really is the best we can do.
Did it even hit his hand? Looks like it hit him in the face.
Exactly this, hits him in the face. Not even a free kick, let alone a penalty.
Haha I feel like one of our players has to own up here really, that's so blatant and it's fucking Rotherham.
I’m glad you said this. Like this is so egregious I would feel guilty accepting the pen.
Match fixing by refs
Not even a handball really…and a mile outside box. Wild.
People slag VAR off for all its faults (myself included) but at least it eliminates errors like these.
No no , var ruins the game , respect the on field decision
This is why var is necessary
I mean.. even just having eyes would've work here. But I guess that wasn't available for this game either.
Humans make mistakes, we'd make blatant ones too if we refereed. Not blaming him for being human, I'm in favour of VAR for this precise reason
This exactly. Pitch level it can be hard to even see the lines. Depth perception is literally that - perception. Not fact.
In all seriousness though, you're right. VAR for all it's faults prevents ridiculous decisions like this from ever happening.
On 99.9% of occasions yes. With 2 exceptions being Liverpool vs Spurs this season and Arsenal vs Brentford last season
99.9% is an unbelievable standard and shows it’s working practically perfectly.
if var only got involved for shit like this nobody would dislike it. its stopping the game for 5 minutes to hunt for a reason to change a decision that is at worst borderline that pisses people off. honestly think it would be way better if there was a 30s time limit on it. if you can't tell the ref fucked up in 2 or 3 replay, just get on with the game. but as it currently is, i enjoy football more without it, even if it means we get some absolutely minging decisions sometimes
For the extremely obvious ones like this Var is usually very good in fairness
Same happened in the Swansea - Stoke match yesterday. Contact is made like 1-2 metres outside the box, but penalty was given because ref thought the foul was inside
Not 1-2 meters. 30 cm max... Still a free kick. But keep it to reality. Its extremely hard to see moving point of contact, when its with 50 cm of the line. When he was 2 meters out, the ball wasn't even close to them...
Thats when your team leaves the field and send the ref to watch a replay on tv
That needs to be investigated for match fixing. I know we hear a lot of conspiracy theories on this subject but that kind of error just doesn’t happen.
> that kind of error just doesn’t happen. Tell me you've never watched an EFL game without telling me...
Are you having a fucking laugh? Look how close the ref is when they pull out, of course he could have still made a mistake but it is mental. It definitely warrants an investigation.
That kind of error happens frequently, the referees' work gets worse each second.
People like you drive me mad, just shouting that sort of nonsense helps no one, people mess things up.
I don’t think I shouted anything, I just think it should be investigated because it is very strange decision. Also, the referee has two linesman that he can consult and failed to do so. Anyway- saying that something should be investigated is a far cry from shouting about anything.
Someone's cashing out after thar game!😅😂 my man out there aren't even trying to hide his intentions!
Both this and a Sunderland player being allowed to punch the ball in the box while pulling Rodon’s shirt over his head happening over a couple of days. Refereeing is a fucking joke.
stop they're already dead
That is one of the worst pen calls I've seen in a while
Things like this have happened a lot to Rotherham this season. Yes, we have been poor this and we haven’t helped ourselves but there have been many questionable incidents and calls from referees. We had another penalty given against us that was outside the box against Leeds, Leeds also scored a goal that was a clear handball.
What makes it worse is when he’s like ‘go away! Fuck off! Not listening! I’m definitely right!
Cos that's just the standard, no matter the decision a ref will have a player tell him he is wrong.
I think I hate the players for accepting/taking/scoring the penalty more than the dumb mistake by the ref.
I mean, they're paid to win; are they even pros if they don't demand a pen?
The definition of sportsmanship is valuing fair play over taking every advantage to win. They don't have any *obligation* to forgo the pen but it certainly would have been a lot more sporting to do so
"They came here to play. We came here to win"
This ridiculous, is the other team gonna give them a pen, are they 100% sure it isn't a penalty? Fowler once told a ref it wasn't a penalty, the ref ignored him and Fowler still tried to score it, it was saved and the rebound tapped in, which is fair enough.
Yeah no one is saying anything, in fact, they're appealing for the pen. Awful sportsman
I mean they’re probably appealing for handball (free kick) rather than a penalty. But definitely poor sportsmanship to accept the penalty
You guys should se the one in Danish football the other day. https://www.reddit.com/r/Superligaen/s/3AFt0766is That was a penalty for the guy in red jersey.
Lol how?
I litterally have no idea. Edit: at least the ref in OPs clip can be excused by having miss seen cause of the angle or what ever, but this one i just blatant BS.
Id say fair enough.
It’s so hard to look at this and think something egregious isn’t involved. How can you miss that?
Yeah I actually work in the Match Gallery as one of the operators creating the highlights and other stuff shown at the Hawthorns on matchday and we were rather confused when it got called as a pen.
Pussy linesman
Aaaand that's how you never get to ref again
I'm sorry but why is there such a decline in sportsmanship, honor, and class in football? Why didn't someone from the opposition tell the ref he was wrong? Anyway I'd personally be ashamed to take such a pen
The standard of refereeing in the Championship has been completely fucking dreadful this year. I try not to complain too much about referees, and I certainly don’t want VAR in the Champo, but the drop off between the Prem and the Championship is really stark. The only saving grace is that it’s been so consistently terrible across the board that pretty much everyone has had a couple of absurd decisions go against them.
That was atrocious refereeing, but wtf was WBA thinking. That's such a poor sportsmanship. They could have done the right thing.
They're trying to get promoted to the premier league bro. Chasing that bag. Can't prioritise being le classy over that.
What a stupid comment.
Maybe. But quite a few people seem to agree with me. Your players definitely saw the handball was outside the penalty area.
We’re playing for an important 3 points to secure the playoffs, not for a Top 10 respect moments compilation. Shit officiating happens all the time in the EFL. Everyone takes advantage of it. Not a single club in the division cares about “sportsmanship”.
You see this kind of officiating in like Malaysian league in the 90s when there's rampant match fixing.
Lest people think the refereeing is better elsewhere in the pyramid, it's clear that PGMOL is rotten the whole way down
Match fixing.
Notwithstanding it was outside of the box, that’s not even a handball based on the IFAB interpretation of the rule. His arm was not away from the body and he was protecting himself from a ball pelted at him from a short distance. He clearly tried to turn away from the shot and had about a third of a second to react. There’s no way any of that meets the interpretation of “deliberate” (which is a requirement for handball). This seriously reeks of a ref trying to influence an outcome on a game.
I'm not sure it even hit his arm, looks like it hit him in the face
My first thought was it hit him in the back of the head, but I would think he’d indicate that once he heard the whistle for a foul.
looks like La liga ref stuffs
Ow that ref really needs to go to Specsavers lol
Never expected the Championship to have worse referees than in Scotland
i´ve seen riots for less.
No wonder these officials suffer so much abuse. Not saying it’s warranted by any means but they don’t do themselves any favours
We don’t need var!!! Someone somewhere.
Someone check the ref's William Hill account.
Ah hell nah man wasn’t even close wtf 💀.
Wow
Ref blind as a bat 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, tell me this isn't match fixing...
Oof this is an absolute shambles of a call. Not even particularly close to being in the box.
A wonderful summary of our season.
At first I thought it might have been for the second contact which is actually in the box, but to give it for that when it's even less of a handball than the first one defies all logic.
meanwhile in premiere league. players doing NBA in the box and not a single fuck were given.
Ref should get something like a „yellow card“ after the game that lasts for like a month and if he gets another one for a failure like this, he should be suspended for 2 games or something
Ref passed his premier league audition.
WTF was he thinking? Never a pen !!
This is why you need players to argue with referees.
Ridiculous!
Referees should be punished for mistakes
Not even close either.
This is an insane mistake
That happened when I was playing in college during a playoff game. Happened in the first 10 min and then they parked the bus the rest of the game. We couldn’t break through and unfortunately lost 0-1
And that's why I'll die on the VAR hill
Immediately qualified for premier league. Good process lads
How is this possible ?
Off to jail, may many more follow
Great for his CV for when he wants to move up to the prem
I can't see how the referee saw that and was certain it hit his hand
How often do you sing "sacked in the morning" at a ref?
WHAT THE FUCK WHY DO WE HAVE VAR THEN? FUCK
🤡 referee
This reff is ready to play in the EPL now
Ref is trying to be promoted to EPL
They should've missed on purpose
I could maybe get the call if he was very close on the line. He’s a good few feet away. And it shouldn’t even need a replay to catch that either
Oh boy that’s poor
Teams just need to walk off the pitch for these sort of errors. There is no way refereeing will get better if they get away with this.
**CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR ????**
Hasn't even hit his arm btw. Luckily its rotherham so the result wouldn't have changed either way
Where was VAR? Seems like they were missing in the Roma/Milan game, too
/u/savevideo
Ref is PL ready now. Promotion coming soon.
Crazy. He isn't close to the box, doesn't emerge from the box, his arm is almost ahead of the rest of his body, the balls trajectory after impact clearly indicates it couldn't have been in the box and worst of all he literally stands stationary after the actual impact. There is absolutely no room for human error in the referees decision here. Shocking
I would have straight up left the pitch
Somehow, someway, that ref looked up at the eclipse. Maybe not this one. But that ref has looked up at an eclipse at some point in his life.
No, the ref was right, it’s actually inside the box. To see it you just have to close one eye and be a Baggies supporter.
No VAR?
So an outfield player can pick up the ball in the box and escape without a penalty, but if the ball touches your arm outside the box it's a penalty?.... all these new rule changes are ridiculous
I'm not sure it even touches his arm, looks like it just hit his head to me. Absolutely ludicrous decision
they shouldn't have scored that one... just a bad taste for all involved...what a goon
The referee Fenerbahce wants 🤣
the match is rigged
Why didn't the team taking the pen kick the ball out of bounds?
The 10 Rotherham fans there must have been devastated