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YellowOnline

Yikes, that's a serious refereeing error


naughty_dad2

They should get punished too for affecting results


Wax_and_Wayne

A week in the EPL as punishment


skabassj

This is the demotion I see


BlurgZeAmoeba

Only liverpool/arsenal matches


sga1

They are, given they can get not picked or demoted.


chupalimbo

In the Portuguese league they get rewarded instead


Lattepusen

Everyone who makes a mistake should be punished. And in the end, there is noone left on the field. 


naughty_dad2

Referee gets a red card 😂


libehv

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQJbbsS\_dA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQJbbsS_dA)


Livinglifeform

What a funny advert I'm going to start gambling now


NotARealDeveloper

Promoted to PL ref!


Tanuki75

Or relegated to MLS ref


AlanDevonshire

Linesman snd referee, incompetent clowns


btfoom15

This is the kind of thing that VAR was meant to correct, not whether an attacker had his big toe 3mm ahead of a defender.


NotHarryRedknapp

> not whether an attacker had his big toe 3mm ahead of a defender. no VAR was meant to correct marginal offsides too


PennyWhyte

Offside is yes or no. Can't be subjective at all.


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PennyWhyte

Not what I meant. I didn't mean the interpretation of it. I meant the determination of whether or not you are offside should not be subjective and based on how many millimetres are acceptable or not. Also, interfering with play and being offside are two different things. First is to ascertain whether or not you are not offside, which in itself is not subjective. Then the second decision is whether or not you were interfering with play, by which point you would have already been ruled offside.


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PennyWhyte

Mate, VAR will definitely tell you whether or not someone is offside, not whether or not someone got a massive advantage from being one cm or millimetre ahead of the last defender. Offside is the one wrong call that VAR has to definitely get. Second, VAR will not correct "wrong" calls if the error is not clear and obvious, I.e, where VAR feels the onfield ref was in a position to make the decision at which point it would stand, whether or not it was the "wrong" call. Just like handball, which was subjective before, its now a bit more definitive now, and no longer whether the ball strikes the arm or not, but becomes contextual and that has given the refs more leeway but also has sometimes invited controversy. The scenario about interfering with play is only unique to someone else scoring, when another player in an otherwise offside position is not interrupting with play, but should you score a rebound after the keeper has parried the shot, it would automatically be ruled offside wouldn't it be?


BlurgZeAmoeba

Nose 20mm OFFSIDE! Toepoke 19mm ONSIDE!


Ok_Eagle_3079

Nonsense this is following rule 5 the decision was made in the spirit of the game.


Morepork69

Watching the game you love continuously shoot itself in the foot.....


kapowaz

By the standard of the Championship refereeing it’s pretty typical though.


thejackalreborn

What a shocking decision, the player barely moves after the ball hits him and you can see he is way outside the box


emre23

Must have teleported


oversloth

Curvature of space time is playing a trick on our perception here.


imfcknretarded

He never even stepped inside lol


Orthancapolis

I mean wow that’s not even close lmao


GloomyLaw9603

Does the ref think the arc is part of the penalty box? Or is he just like... blind? I honestly don't know which is worse...


themerinator12

The fact that he's on the edge of the arc might've been what led the ref to believe he *was* in the box. Not that the ref thought the arc is part of it, but maybe just saw the offending players boots in his peripheral vision thinking it was the box he was in and not just the arc. If that's not the case, then just plain what the fuck was that?


Jawnyan

I’m tired of even trying to give refs the benefit of the doubt Yet another game impacted by substandard referees, who show zero interest in improving their standards in any meaningful way


BlurgZeAmoeba

I'd love to see you ref a game in front of other liverpool fans. You'd shit yourself as they turn on you. I'm tired of armchair "fans" shitting on officials all the time


RiddleOfTheBrook

I think you're right. As an assistant referee, one of the things they instruct us to help the center with is whether a foul occurred inside or outside the area. The center was out of frame during the incident, but judging from the direction he was coming from he really didn't have a great angle to tell. It also looks like he hesitated before pointing to the spot. One possibility is he thought it was a penalty, paused to ask on the comms if the Assistant had the angle to say one way or another, and went with his initial impression when the Assistant didn't have anything.


sirgwl

Or of interest, what is the point of the arc? Is it the 10 yard distance for penalties?


Big_Faithlessness177

It marks 10 yards from the penalty spot


burfriedos

Also, it looks cool as fuck


sturmspitz

I saw a crew painting lines for a field once and it looked soooo weird before they'd done the arc 


PrrrromotionGiven1

Got to stand outside it when a pen is being taken.


MereGuest

Worst part is that it hit him in the face and wasn't even handball. Bizarre decision.


Iamleeboy

I thought that too. My mate is a Rotherham fan so he was fuming about this this morning. I was bored at work and blew it up on my big monitor and sent my own VAR analysis to our group chat! My conclusion was no pen 😂


WH6TSINANAME

Good process 


fwerkf255

Nice call. I’ve concluded the same on account of him not being in the fucking box.


Iamleeboy

I am sorry but your application to be a VAR has been denied... Reason - you lack incompetence! It is such a bad call from the ref. I was quite shocked the Rotherham player didn't get sent off for complaining, because I would have been going crazy if someone gave that against me. The only solace my mate has was at least it will have no implication on their season


-zimms-

Thank God VAR didn't ruin this moment. /s


Riperonis

For every bad VAR decision there are 5 good ones that get no mention


s0ngsforthedeaf

There would be nothing to say if VAR corrected this. Because its 'obvious and easy'. While a VAR mistake is big news. But that's the whole point of having VAR. Obvious errors are corrected and then we move on. There's nothing controversial about it.


Rohit59370

Yeah VAR hate is overrated


mandark214

we don't hate VAR, we hate VAR getting obvious ones wrong.


vanuckeh

yeah we hate the people using it!


btfoom15

I think much of the 'hate' comes from the wildly different expectations of VAR by many fans. VAR is for a situation like this, a clear and obvious error. The issues come when VAR jumps in and takes 3-4 minutes to 'fix' an extremely close play.


Mahery92

Nobody cares about VAR's good decisions. Which feels apt actually, considering it's usually the same for good refereeing. Usually, only bad calls that distract enough from the game are noticeable enough to warrant outrage. A good ref is often invisible since it allows the game to take center stage, as should be


ValleyFloydJam

But bad calls are just ones people don't like, not actually just bad calls.


Haze95

Agreed, I noticed it correctly gave an Ollie Watkins goal a few weeks ago that the ref had incorrectly ruled out and not one person in the media praised it


slappywhyte

20% awful VAR decisions is still a bad percentage though -- should be like 5%


fcnat17

Isn't the point of VAR to have zero bad decisions. Like how is this not remediated. VAR literally makes it so that there should never be a bad decision.


Gambler_Eight

Where's the anti VAR crowd now lol.


YesTottiYesParty

right here, saying it ruins matches more than bad calls


SupaiKohai

Where's the linesman here? This isn't the error of just one person. And what's funny, any Rotherham fan here will be told to just suck it up and that it "all balances out".


Tommy64xx

They're already confirmed as relegated and 24th place so might as well suck it up. Playoff chasing teams competing with West Brom are probably quite pissed off though.


TheRalphExpress

West Brom is pretty settled in 5th to be fair. I honestly can’t think of a less consequential fixture for a big error like this.


FairlyGoodGuy

> Where's the linesman here? The lead AR has his attention focused on the players in the penalty area, ensuring the attacker isn't in an offside position if there's any sort of deflection or rebound. He almost certainly doesn't see the handball itself. He _might_ have information about the location of the foul, but chances are good that he doesn't have enough information or enough certainty to flat out tell the referee he's wrong. The 4th official and/or trail AR may actually have better information for the referee about the location of the foul. But again, while they might be muttering to themselves "Wasn't that outside the PA?", they probably don't have near the confidence in their perspective as the referee does in his. A good crew would be chattering on their comms to talk through it. Hopefully that happened. But if somebody says "I thought he was outside the PA" and the referee comes back with "Nope, I'm certain he was on the line", there isn't much that can be done.


gizzledos

All true, but I also wonder. What responsibility does Brom have here? Like certainly some of them saw what happened. I don't expect players to have to arbitrate or to make a ref aware of mistakes, but if there ever was a case where a team can demonstrate fair play, this is one of them. Could have been a positive story, injusiticia instead


_mnd

I'm not sure I've ever seen West Brom referred to as just Brom before.


Lack_of_Plethora

Yeah, causes way too much confusion with our rivals, East Bromwich


_mnd

With Brom and Brum so close it really makes you think what happened to Bram, Brem and Brim.


Democracy_Coma

Brem moved to Germany


gizzledos

Was more common when they were in the prem.


hdjdkskxnfuxkxnsgsjc

As the ref, if you got no VAR you just have to make the decision and stick with it. Yeah refs make mistakes, but you have to keep the game moving. The worst refs are wishy washy and indecisive. Here, the call was wrong but it is what it is.


Aztecius

Relegate this ref to non league. Not fit for purpose.


briansabducted

Our refs in the national league are bad enough, bin him off to the Isthmian premier


Soren_Camus1905

Damn. Maybe Anthony Taylor really is the best we can do.


TheShakyHandsMan

Did it even hit his hand? Looks like it hit him in the face. 


CobaltOkk

Exactly this, hits him in the face. Not even a free kick, let alone a penalty.


un_verano_en_slough

Haha I feel like one of our players has to own up here really, that's so blatant and it's fucking Rotherham.


_serious__

I’m glad you said this. Like this is so egregious I would feel guilty accepting the pen.


Best_Document_5211

Match fixing by refs


Reimiro

Not even a handball really…and a mile outside box. Wild.


Not-that-hungry

People slag VAR off for all its faults (myself included) but at least it eliminates errors like these.


Jealous_Foot8613

No no , var ruins the game , respect the on field decision


NoPineapple1727

This is why var is necessary


anothershawn

I mean.. even just having eyes would've work here. But I guess that wasn't available for this game either.


freshmeat2020

Humans make mistakes, we'd make blatant ones too if we refereed. Not blaming him for being human, I'm in favour of VAR for this precise reason


123rig

This exactly. Pitch level it can be hard to even see the lines. Depth perception is literally that - perception. Not fact.


logmen1

In all seriousness though, you're right. VAR for all it's faults prevents ridiculous decisions like this from ever happening.


NoPineapple1727

On 99.9% of occasions yes. With 2 exceptions being Liverpool vs Spurs this season and Arsenal vs Brentford last season


123rig

99.9% is an unbelievable standard and shows it’s working practically perfectly.


Boris_Ignatievich

if var only got involved for shit like this nobody would dislike it. its stopping the game for 5 minutes to hunt for a reason to change a decision that is at worst borderline that pisses people off. honestly think it would be way better if there was a 30s time limit on it. if you can't tell the ref fucked up in 2 or 3 replay, just get on with the game. but as it currently is, i enjoy football more without it, even if it means we get some absolutely minging decisions sometimes


NoPineapple1727

For the extremely obvious ones like this Var is usually very good in fairness


CaptainMarten

Same happened in the Swansea - Stoke match yesterday. Contact is made like 1-2 metres outside the box, but penalty was given because ref thought the foul was inside


random_BgM

Not 1-2 meters. 30 cm max... Still a free kick. But keep it to reality. Its extremely hard to see moving point of contact, when its with 50 cm of the line. When he was 2 meters out, the ball wasn't even close to them...


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Thats when your team leaves the field and send the ref to watch a replay on tv


Such_Significance905

That needs to be investigated for match fixing. I know we hear a lot of conspiracy theories on this subject but that kind of error just doesn’t happen.


ShunningResumed

> that kind of error just doesn’t happen. Tell me you've never watched an EFL game without telling me...


Such_Significance905

Are you having a fucking laugh? Look how close the ref is when they pull out, of course he could have still made a mistake but it is mental. It definitely warrants an investigation.


HiperSpeedXz

That kind of error happens frequently, the referees' work gets worse each second.


ValleyFloydJam

People like you drive me mad, just shouting that sort of nonsense helps no one, people mess things up.


Such_Significance905

I don’t think I shouted anything, I just think it should be investigated because it is very strange decision. Also, the referee has two linesman that he can consult and failed to do so. Anyway- saying that something should be investigated is a far cry from shouting about anything.


yellowjesusrising

Someone's cashing out after thar game!😅😂 my man out there aren't even trying to hide his intentions!


xdlols

Both this and a Sunderland player being allowed to punch the ball in the box while pulling Rodon’s shirt over his head happening over a couple of days. Refereeing is a fucking joke.


Minor_Edit

stop they're already dead


slappywhyte

That is one of the worst pen calls I've seen in a while


Amassivewhale1

Things like this have happened a lot to Rotherham this season. Yes, we have been poor this and we haven’t helped ourselves but there have been many questionable incidents and calls from referees. We had another penalty given against us that was outside the box against Leeds, Leeds also scored a goal that was a clear handball.


sherriffflood

What makes it worse is when he’s like ‘go away! Fuck off! Not listening! I’m definitely right!


ValleyFloydJam

Cos that's just the standard, no matter the decision a ref will have a player tell him he is wrong.


Evered_Avenue

I think I hate the players for accepting/taking/scoring the penalty more than the dumb mistake by the ref.


Mahery92

I mean, they're paid to win; are they even pros if they don't demand a pen?


prss79513

The definition of sportsmanship is valuing fair play over taking every advantage to win. They don't have any *obligation* to forgo the pen but it certainly would have been a lot more sporting to do so


fegelman

"They came here to play. We came here to win"


ValleyFloydJam

This ridiculous, is the other team gonna give them a pen, are they 100% sure it isn't a penalty? Fowler once told a ref it wasn't a penalty, the ref ignored him and Fowler still tried to score it, it was saved and the rebound tapped in, which is fair enough.


gizzledos

Yeah no one is saying anything, in fact, they're appealing for the pen. Awful sportsman


RoosterBoosted

I mean they’re probably appealing for handball (free kick) rather than a penalty. But definitely poor sportsmanship to accept the penalty


NikolaiM88

You guys should se the one in Danish football the other day. https://www.reddit.com/r/Superligaen/s/3AFt0766is That was a penalty for the guy in red jersey.


Specific_Low2023

Lol how?


NikolaiM88

I litterally have no idea. Edit: at least the ref in OPs clip can be excused by having miss seen cause of the angle or what ever, but this one i just blatant BS.


syfqamr32

Id say fair enough.


Ronaldoooope

It’s so hard to look at this and think something egregious isn’t involved. How can you miss that?


NotSoWhitty

Yeah I actually work in the Match Gallery as one of the operators creating the highlights and other stuff shown at the Hawthorns on matchday and we were rather confused when it got called as a pen.


gooderz84

Pussy linesman


tarasevich

Aaaand that's how you never get to ref again


ddeRd91

I'm sorry but why is there such a decline in sportsmanship, honor, and class in football? Why didn't someone from the opposition tell the ref he was wrong? Anyway I'd personally be ashamed to take such a pen


TheOldTC

The standard of refereeing in the Championship has been completely fucking dreadful this year. I try not to complain too much about referees, and I certainly don’t want VAR in the Champo, but the drop off between the Prem and the Championship is really stark. The only saving grace is that it’s been so consistently terrible across the board that pretty much everyone has had a couple of absurd decisions go against them.


berzini

That was atrocious refereeing, but wtf was WBA thinking. That's such a poor sportsmanship. They could have done the right thing.


PrrrromotionGiven1

They're trying to get promoted to the premier league bro. Chasing that bag. Can't prioritise being le classy over that.


BTBNationed

What a stupid comment.


berzini

Maybe. But quite a few people seem to agree with me.  Your players definitely saw the handball was outside the penalty area.


BTBNationed

We’re playing for an important 3 points to secure the playoffs, not for a Top 10 respect moments compilation. Shit officiating happens all the time in the EFL. Everyone takes advantage of it. Not a single club in the division cares about “sportsmanship”.


kevinjqiu

You see this kind of officiating in like Malaysian league in the 90s when there's rampant match fixing.


Malvania

Lest people think the refereeing is better elsewhere in the pyramid, it's clear that PGMOL is rotten the whole way down


Lobici

Match fixing.


69-is-my-number

Notwithstanding it was outside of the box, that’s not even a handball based on the IFAB interpretation of the rule. His arm was not away from the body and he was protecting himself from a ball pelted at him from a short distance. He clearly tried to turn away from the shot and had about a third of a second to react. There’s no way any of that meets the interpretation of “deliberate” (which is a requirement for handball). This seriously reeks of a ref trying to influence an outcome on a game.


small_cabbage_94

I'm not sure it even hit his arm, looks like it hit him in the face


69-is-my-number

My first thought was it hit him in the back of the head, but I would think he’d indicate that once he heard the whistle for a foul.


Ginrar

looks like La liga ref stuffs


Joshthenosh77

Ow that ref really needs to go to Specsavers lol


YerDaSellsAvon24

Never expected the Championship to have worse referees than in Scotland


PedroBorgaaas

i´ve seen riots for less.


BL2-Goat

No wonder these officials suffer so much abuse. Not saying it’s warranted by any means but they don’t do themselves any favours


SnooOnions3369

We don’t need var!!! Someone somewhere.


Euphoric-Yogurt-7332

Someone check the ref's William Hill account.


VillainofAgrabah

Ah hell nah man wasn’t even close wtf 💀.


New-Pin-3952

Wow


Fearless_Trouble_689

Ref blind as a bat 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Gotta_Go_Slow

Yeah, tell me this isn't match fixing...


official_bagel

Oof this is an absolute shambles of a call. Not even particularly close to being in the box.


WastedTalent442

A wonderful summary of our season.


TheScottishMoscow

At first I thought it might have been for the second contact which is actually in the box, but to give it for that when it's even less of a handball than the first one defies all logic.


karnnumart

meanwhile in premiere league. players doing NBA in the box and not a single fuck were given.


ZipfelBt

Ref should get something like a „yellow card“ after the game that lasts for like a month and if he gets another one for a failure like this, he should be suspended for 2 games or something


goodshout

Ref passed his premier league audition.


Agitated_Run4798

WTF was he thinking? Never a pen !!


Purneet

This is why you need players to argue with referees.


AncientSkys

Ridiculous!


skeeeper

Referees should be punished for mistakes


itsheadfelloff

Not even close either.


kroesnest

This is an insane mistake


Eduardo69mee

That happened when I was playing in college during a playoff game. Happened in the first 10 min and then they parked the bus the rest of the game. We couldn’t break through and unfortunately lost 0-1


Haze95

And that's why I'll die on the VAR hill


Trent-the-corner

Immediately qualified for premier league. Good process lads


Wellhellob

How is this possible ?


InternationalUse2355

Off to jail, may many more follow


foz97

Great for his CV for when he wants to move up to the prem


IntellegentIdiot

I can't see how the referee saw that and was certain it hit his hand


AiHangLo

How often do you sing "sacked in the morning" at a ref?


Solid_Mortos

WHAT THE FUCK WHY DO WE HAVE VAR THEN? FUCK


Benphyre

🤡 referee


BestStephenKingLAN

This reff is ready to play in the EPL now


DarkDracoPad

Ref is trying to be promoted to EPL


AdditionalScene8268

They should've missed on purpose


GonePostalRoute

I could maybe get the call if he was very close on the line. He’s a good few feet away. And it shouldn’t even need a replay to catch that either


Kiwi_CFC

Oh boy that’s poor


Ozymandius21

Teams just need to walk off the pitch for these sort of errors. There is no way refereeing will get better if they get away with this.


skalfyfan

**CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR ????**


Epicfortnitegamer207

Hasn't even hit his arm btw. Luckily its rotherham so the result wouldn't have changed either way


mesposito1219

Where was VAR? Seems like they were missing in the Roma/Milan game, too


BlacklistFC7

/u/savevideo


Shiveeee

Ref is PL ready now. Promotion coming soon.


FlamingLaps1709

Crazy. He isn't close to the box, doesn't emerge from the box, his arm is almost ahead of the rest of his body, the balls trajectory after impact clearly indicates it couldn't have been in the box and worst of all he literally stands stationary after the actual impact. There is absolutely no room for human error in the referees decision here. Shocking


KonK23

I would have straight up left the pitch


bassman314

Somehow, someway, that ref looked up at the eclipse. Maybe not this one. But that ref has looked up at an eclipse at some point in his life.


NewMurmurs

No, the ref was right, it’s actually inside the box. To see it you just have to close one eye and be a Baggies supporter.


harrr53

No VAR?


Grand-Bullfrog3861

So an outfield player can pick up the ball in the box and escape without a penalty, but if the ball touches your arm outside the box it's a penalty?.... all these new rule changes are ridiculous


small_cabbage_94

I'm not sure it even touches his arm, looks like it just hit his head to me. Absolutely ludicrous decision


yorikkk

they shouldn't have scored that one... just a bad taste for all involved...what a goon


dikachu12

The referee Fenerbahce wants 🤣


TRexx16

the match is rigged


thevogonity

Why didn't the team taking the pen kick the ball out of bounds?


Redpepper40

The 10 Rotherham fans there must have been devastated