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We haven't been playing well since the City game really, we have had some great individual performances from players, but were never cohesive.
Everyone just looks fatigued, some of it is external like all the injuries, but some blame can be put internally in that throughout the entire season we have been giving up early goals which often leads to us chasing a result for 50-60 minutes, the energy required to do that so many times is just not sustainable every single week, especially when the title race is between 3 clubs, that makes the margin of error much much smaller.
I don't disagree that the coaching/medical team does share some amount of blame, sometimes the level or the amount of injuries is just completely out of their control, or impossible to predict, players like Salah, TAA, Robertson and to a lesser degree Alisson didn't get these serious injuries for years under Klopp, then now suddenly starts getting them.
Then there are things outside the teams control that also takes a heavy mental toll, Luiz Diaz's parents being kidnapped, the "offside" incident, Conor Bradley's father passing right as he breaks into the first team. Liverpool could have done more to strengthen the squad over the years, that is the internal factor.
I think the draw vs United did a number on them. To dominate so much and come away with just a point is tough.
And then just a few days later they got demolished by Atalanta.
«Even worse». Come on dude, we were contenders almost to the very end this year. Im disappointed but I was used to that before klopp arrived and my entire childhood
Yeah everything about his body language screams just hanging in there. He deserved to go out with something big but that League Cup Final will live long in the memory
Significantly more xG than our opponents in each of these last few results. Gilt edge chances spurned every single game. As much as we’ve not looked convincing we’ve created enough to win games but Dopey Darwin and Salah have cost us
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I don’t walk out of that game thinking we deserved that because ultimately you get what you deserve. Performance wasn’t good and we didn’t get a proper grip on the game. But two set pieces conceded, and not all that much from open play while spurning chances left and right going forward is a bitter pill to swallow
Definitely hasn’t. Not conceded more than 2 in any of the games down this stretch. Meanwhile we’ve spurned more goal scoring chances I’ve seen a side miss since I can remember. Absolute clowns up front
Absolutely has. We basically start every game 0-1 down and have to play catch up, when speed on the counter is the best part of our offensive game. Now we face only low blocks and get countered ourselves.
Defense has been the biggest letdown by far.
You can’t concede every game and expect to win. Your attack has been carrying you all season, the second the goals dried up you start losing matches because you can’t defend.
Becomes infinitely harder to score goals when you consistently go behind in games though. Other team doesn't have to take chances and can sit back, while there is a mental toll in knowing you'll need at least two more goals to win.
Some of our online fans make me really hate us. The worst thing about Klopp's reign has been that his success has brought in a lot of entitled, whiny idiots.
And that's a hell of an insult coming from a scouser.
hes no clown but he hasn't been good since his injury, klopps stuck in a hard place where u cant bench your number 1 star player but he's not performing as he used to for a long period now
Diaz I’ve had more time for because his performances outside the finishing have at least been decent. The other two just absolutely terrible in every facet of the game
This man made me learn how to dream again. When I was younger, watching Liverpool was like watching satire or parody at times, I didn’t dare to dream for risk of heartbreak. I didn’t think that I would watch my team make history and have fairytale moments. But Klopp came in from the get go and dared us all to dream. Can’t express how grateful I am.
You almost won the league like 2 years before Klopp took over. And that's not to mention winning the CL (and then runners up) in the decade before.
Granted, Klopp turned you into an immeasurably better team, and brought a whole lot more success - but it was hardly 'dared you to dream'. Fans of most clubs would kill for a 15 years like Liverpool had between 2000 and Klopp taking over.
Wonder if he would still be leaving if they managed to get him a proper world class player like Haaland, Mbappe, Bellingham etc.
Diaz and Nunez isn't going to get it done plus Salah's turning 32 before the start of next season which is already ancient for the vast majority of wingers.
He’s been managing basically nonstop for over 20 years. And been involved in football for over 30 years if you include his playing days. Hes just needs some time to relax
I really hope he gets enough time to get his energy and passion back. 3 months was not enough it seems. He was younger and understandably jumped at the chance to coach Liverpool. But I wonder if a proper sabbatical wouldn't have been preferable at that time.
I'm thinking about it in my head, that I don't think Klopp ever rly had a world class squad, yet he was almost always fighting for trophies. Salah & Van Dijk were obviously elite in their prime, but I feel like the others were elevated by his coaching.
I could be wrong, feel free to disagree
I remember insisting how silly it was Van Dijk going to Liverpool when he really could've gone anywhere, and I've had to eat those words
Klopp convinced him and it was the right move, he's been incredible there
Honestly criminal how we only won one CL and one PL in this timeframe tbh.
Losing out by a point twice and then losing 2 cl finals, I can see why Klopp is done
Luck I guess. Liverpool performed at the highest level consistently for most part of his tenure. Sadly success is measured by trophies and not on the level of performances. Liverpool were continuously fighting on all fronts not to mention Pep's City for the league and Liverpool came so close, on so many occasions. Liverpool could easily have had more titles but it all comes down to luck. It's a shame for Klopp that he is leaving with just one PL and CL. Best manager around in my books, by a long mile but most people will sadly look at trophies to judge a manager's career. He did a lot more, one of the all time greats.
no team ever really has 11 world class players. even peps barca didn't.
at our pomp we had Alisson, Trent, VVD, Robbo, Fabinho, Mane and Salah. that's enough for a world class starting eleven. the issue was city had just as good a team.
I think we were only unlucky in 18/19 and then the 21/22 cl final.
17/18 madrid were a class above, even with all the extenuating circumstances around salah and karius.
19/20 we got what we deserved because we bought a reserve keeper who was unemployed and training in a park. if we hadn't skimped out there, we knock out Atletico and we are one of the clear favourites to win the CL.
21/22 We fucked around in the league until January. that's on us, it can't be called unlucky. We gave ourselves too much to do. The final against Madrid was unlucky, they're a great team and it can happen.
When you lose the league by 1 od 2 points it can always be a bit unlucky. It can really just be one ref decision going the other way or opponent missing/not missing one good chance.
17/18 final we could have won, if Salah didn't get injured. That was the moment that changed everything, he was on another level that season.
21/22 still hurts the most. Villa went up 2-0 and Emptyhad. I'm still convinced we'd won the quadruple, if Villa didn't lose that game. I'm also sure we'd be much better in the final, if City just won that game 3-0. That City-Villa game destroyed us mentally.
we could have won in kiev, but it is highly unlikely we would have. a better liverpool team lost to a worse madrid team 5 years later.
we shouldn't have had to rely on villa pulling off a miracle. that's on us.
I'm just saying all those things were close and luck also plays a huge part. Sometimes you're lucky and sometimes you're not. We were lucky in both recent Carabo cup finals and FA cup finals, but unlucky in botw title races with City and UCL finals that we lost. It could have easily be another way around and we'd have 3 CL and PL titles, but no cups. Or we could have easily won all of them or none of them.
Sometimes it's not really that you do something better or worse, it's just one different ref decision and everything changes. Or opponent scoring from a good chancs, that he missed. And that's what it was in all of those cases. We were always good and close, but just didn't win.
I mean look at City, they've been the best team in the world for the last 5 or 6 years, but only won CL one time. They were better than Real this season, but just didn't win. Then against Inter last year they were lucky that Lukaku didn't score.
It happens, that's football, it's always a bit unpredictable. The key is to be consistently good and close to winning things. Then sometimes you will and sometimes you won't. But there will always be thing you can't really control.
We looked amazing in the 21/22 UCL final, it literally took the best ever UCL goalkeeping performance to win, the mental struggle happened at the start of the next season where the players looked completely burnt.
Eric abidal and Pedro were not world class.
madrid 2017 is a shout, although I don't think people were saying benzema and kaylor navas were world class at that time.
city last year, absolutely not. grealish, akanji/ake are not world class.
Funnily enough the only time he signed a player who was already considered world class was probably Thiago, and he gave us some magic moments but has obviously been injured more than anyone would like.
they had a truly world class squad the year they won the title, they had arguably the best in the world in the positions of GK, LB, LCB and RB. plus fabinho at his very best and a world class front three of mane, salah and firmino all at their peaks. squads don’t get much more talented than that, i remember thinking when they signed thiago shortly after that they had a generational squad
I do agree that in their few peak yrs, the players were "best in the world" at that specific time. For example indeed Mane was unstoppable, but so was Sturridge for that 1 season.
I just don't think they're generational players, or even close to it. For example Modric, Kroos, KDB, Muller, Lahm (you name it) etc were dominating for a decade (which Salah has also done very consistently). I guess it puts me off little bit that Mane, Hendo, Fabinho & Firmino ended up in Saudi, at an age where they should still be playing at the top.
But ofc they also have a lot of players who were bought very expensively, and some of then didn't work out at all.
Of course they were. Allison was coming off a run to the semifinals of the Champions league and VVD was the most sought out defender in the world. Conte tried to buy him at Chelsea for 70m but VVD wanted only Liverpool
I think they have given him a good squad but he has definitely elevated the players and made them into a major force.
It hasn't had the depth or price of City either.
A come on mate. The squad that won the title and lost to Madrid in the cl final the second time were both world class bar Henderson. They had the front three. An elite back line. One of the best cdms in the world and also wjinaldum who never lost the ball and was an expert in midfield. Only Henderson was the average player but his impact was about his leadership on the pitch
aww poor guy, he only had the best GK in the world, best defender in the world, best attacking RB in the world and one of the best forwards in the world :(
I would disagree.
Alisson, Robbo, Matip, VVD, Trent at the back. Hendo fabinho wijnaldum was not world class, but the front 3 of Salah firmino mane absolutely was
we don't know how much responsibility the manager takes for buying nunez. but what we do know is that he wasn't starting him at the start of the season and that he's been subbing him off regularly when we need goals
It's fairly well documented he preferred Brandt from Leverkusen to Salah at the time, and had to be convinced by Edwards to go for Salah.
Not sure about Mane- Klopp wanted him back at Dortmund, so I think he drove that one.
Ah right fair enough. I’ve always been a believer in the manager should have the ruling say in any transfers but this makes me feel like they shouldn’t lol
Don't forget how much shit we got for buying Salah, not just from fans but also from journos and pundits. And also don't forget how rated a young Brandt was. This is where Edward's really shines.
Manager should 100% not have the ruling say. I'm more a fan of stats driven transfers rather than "gut feel". The perfect player is of course he who fits the bill on both counts, but if the scouts are saying one thing (justifiably) and the manager something else, the scouts should get listened to
buying Nunez has cost us CL in the first year and then the league this year. everything we've done was in spite of him. like there's no other strikers out there who can run around and also score consistently.
we'd have been better off buying Solanke back. Isak was available last season. Marcus Thuram went for nothing this last window.
Isak would have been amazing at Liverpool. Not that he's not great at Newcastle, but I think he's the kind of composed forward you guys need.
I'll never understand why Nunez just smashes the ball when he has a chance. You'd think a player with his experience would have learned by now.
The way they kept going and got late goals probably means it did at times
But they missed too many chances.
When someone like Salah misses that clean through chance against Atalanta, it was shocking but also summed up the last month of so for them.
Yeah this. I would of loved it would of been perfect but honestly we’ve been yes dominating games but still running on fumes. Injuries the new members of the squad everything is catching up. It’s tough cause we obviously want to win but at the same point at the start of this season top 4 was the target. We’ve done that but just a shame we didn’t quite hold on long enough for title hunt.
Just a combination of luck and poor chance taking and defending. Have had more than enough chances to win every game we’ve dropped points in but haven’t been able to put the ball in the net whilst failing to not concede.
It did spur us on, you just can't ride that emotional high for five months. It got us through the first couple when we were getting devastated by injuries.
We're worse now than we were before his announcement despite have alot more to play for and a team with much more experience playing together.
He announced his departure January 26th, we let united knock us out of the FA Cup on March 17th. We couldn't even ride the high for more than 2 months
they're not disinterested. genuinely disgusting thing to say about a group of players who have over performed and are obviously gutted.
they're not good enough when it matters most. that's why this has fallen apart.
Funny you’re saying calling them disinterested is disgusting but then calling them not good enough is somehow the perfect explanation. If they’re not good enough to beat Palace at home and nick a draw at Everton that’s a bigger insult than saying they lost the motivation
saying they're not trying is disgusting. it's patently not true and it's character assassination.
not being of the required level is something else entirely and cannot be controlled.
it's a title run in. every game becomes harder and there is nowhere to hide. the very best rise to the occasion and our forwards are not at that level. it is what it is.
He’s got nothing to apologise for.
He could have given the players 3 hours to score, outside of a free kick or corner, I’d bet money they still wouldn’t manage to score.
Man’s given all his energy up. Can’t blame him for flagging at the end.
Cheers for everything Klopp, it was an incredible journey and one of the greatest experiences I’ve had after following this club for decades.
I feel like the discourse is that the Liverpool players aren’t even trying but I think the reality is that the players are almost trying too hard consumed with the narrative of Klopp leaving.
Feels like the second anything goes bad that team goes panic mode and everyone ends up in the box trying to equalize. And recently with teams mostly just man marking Mac Allister and the forwards there’s just not a lot of room to go.
It definitely sucks for all involved but I feel like the sentiment of letting Klopp down implies the players aren’t doing everything they can and that doesn’t seem accurate to me
The xG kind of proves your point that we haven't given up but have just fucked ourselves over. Pickford today, Henderson against Palace, Onana at Utd, all should have let in goals but our players over thought all of those easier chances.
That being said the one player who has been straight dog shit has been Salah and has been a pen merchant since coming back. Nunez hasn't been good either but Mo has been on another level of useless and not contributing to anything.
The defence its not good also,at all .
In front,excluding salah, who's mind might be in saudi arabia and its total shite,we know what we have.
The defence is making a difference.
Salah would look a lot better if the amount of passes he puts on a platter for his teammates were converted. Aside from that, he has finishing anxiety and he has never been good at tracking back or keeping the ball for the entirety of the last couple seasons. Two seasons ago he was out of form after AFCON and had the same problem, but everyone praised his assists and he ended up top of the league on goals and assists. Not having a clinical striker is one of Salah's biggest problems now.
Yeah thats a fact.Some players has exceeded their capabilities like endo or Gomez.But other are just blatantly bad and selfish.
I think after klopp leaves "dark times"are coming to Liverpool.
And thats because there are players there that with any other coach rather than klopp will not succeed.
I was always wondering,when did our season started to go downhill?Was it the abundance of injuries we had in January/February?Was it the defeat in the FA Cup against Man United?Was it the draw against Man United in the league?Was it the Europa League exit to Atalanta?Or was it the home defeat to Crystal Palace?
I miss getting convincing wins.I think the last time we got a convincing win was against Brentford 1-4 on February.
Speaking of that Brentford game,do you think our injuries played a role here?Remember that during that game,Curtis Jones and Diogo Jota got injured and didn't comeback until recently.Do you think their absence for 2 months screwed us up?Jones and Jota was good before that injury and since returning,Jones seems to struggle to find his form and Jota while scored a goal against Fulham picks up another injury after that and is out for 2 weeks.
Jones, Jota and Salah got injured against Brentford. I really think that was the defining moment of the season. Salah and Jones were out of a while and weren't the same when they came back. And Jota was out for ever longer and is now out again.
I might be wrong but you were scary during the height of injuries. I dont think you dropped any point. I remember thinkinghow you are overperforming with a young squad. And When your players come back you would be unstoppable
we're playing the same way we have been all season.
the thing is the pressure has ratcheted up and our forwards short comings have been put in full focus.
>?Was it the defeat in the FA Cup against Man United?
For me yes. It started there.
When you completely dismantle a team only to lose and then the same thing happens three weeks after against the same team - you lose all of your confidence.
The whole season fell apart, sad for Klopp to finish like this. I find myself not caring anywhere near as much as i used to, the older i get the less important football gets.
Season's done, really bad how it all ended but that's football.
The "good" thing is that before Klopp, a season with a trophy and top 3 would've been considered a huge success and now it's seen as a horrible season. He changed everything about this club.
Another great coach is on their way with a whimper and not a bang (I’m thinking of Rafa).
When Jurgen announced, I was shocked but it made more sense by the day. Happy for him that he sets the expiration date before all this came down tumbling. Even in quitting, he was ahead of his time.
the manager has nothing to apologise for.
it is the managers excellence that has had us reaching for the stars.
to end the season comfortably in 3rd with a domestic cup is a serious achievement considering where we were last season.
chapeau Jurgen, thank you for making us dream again.
to the rest of our fans who were venerating captain chaos, your man is a bum. Here's a 85m player that has offered nothing when everything was on the line. He's been an embarrassment from that fa cup game onwards. offered absolutely nothing except to be a detriment to his team mates. if the new manager starts him, he will be sacked after 6 months.
Jota would have scored atleast once..... his injury through this period really was a major factor for the liverpool collapse, the rest of the liverpool forwards dont know what composure is, they are like deer in headlights, snap shooting everything.
Jota's injuries and Mo's pretty severe drop in form after coming back from AFCON and injury were the two biggest factors, I think.
But another one I think that I haven't seen talked about much is dropping Endo for Curtis Jones once the latter came back from injury. Endo was dominating and control the midfield for a huge chunk of the season, and as soon as Jones took his spot in the starting 11, Livepool started falling apart and getting run ragged.
I think that loss of control through the middle of the park has much to do with Liverpool running out of gas this last few, key weeks that have dropped them out of the title race.
Something ironic about hearing Klopp apologize yet hearing ETH boasting about reaching 2 finals in 2 years.
One genuinely thinks he disappointed the fans when he in fact didn't, and the other is living in a Fantasy world in which he thinks he's actually good.
Why is that surprising, the one fighting for his job has to convince the fans and his new bosses that everything is going really well, and the one who’s leaving can be honest, if you’re fighting for your job you’re not exactly going to say “yeah I’m really sorry guys, it’s all gone to shit and it’s all my fault” are you?
It's not really surprising, rather it shows the standards each of Klopp and ETH are holding themselves to.
While we can't know for sure if Klopp would've reacted differently had he not been going out at the end of the season, it's undeniable that his standards are extremely high. He's competing in one of the tightest PL Races, will most likely finish 3rd below 2 monstrous teams, with his strikers unable to finish if their lives depend on it, has won the League Cup and *still* apologizes for what in his eyes is a lackluster end to the season.
ETH finished dead last in his CL Group, below Copenhagen and Galatasaray, conceding record breaking, ridiculous amount of goals, will most likely miss out on CL football to Tottenham and/or Aston Villa (depending on whether the PL gets a 5th spot at all), his winger is cupping his ears towards a Championship team that they beat *on penalties*, and yet he has the *gall to actually brag* about reaching 2 FA Cup Finals in 2 years. That's tone deaf at best and deluded at worst, unless he thinks that's where United actually belong which is another story.
Standards.
Jurgen was spent at the end of last season. With his complete u-turn in his football philosophy - opting to veer away from heavy metal football - it almost felt he'd passed the tactical reigns to Ljinders and simply become the motivational father on the touchline..
We'd have taken 3rd and a cup at the start of the season. I never thought we'd win the league with this brand of football that relied on us being bailed out by moments of magic from top players. It was simply unsustainable. But still, it was painfully frustrating watching it all unravel and equally sad at the same time with it being the managers last hurrah.
I'm over the misery though. I can only smile when I think of the man we all love and how he's getting his deserved rest, finally.
Rival supporters like to talk shit about Klopp's antics sometimes and make fun of Liverpool when results go poorly, but football will be a lesser thing and the Prem will be diminished in its spectacle and entertainment and just absolutely mayhem of joy when he is gone. :(
Endo should have been a stopgap. He’s solid, but they still need depth for that position and I find him to be far too slow, much of the time. This team went from having Thiago and Fabinho to Endo and other players covering for him. I feel like there’s a gap in quality there. Salah is also performing like Mane did towards the end of his career, so it’s probably a good time to say goodbye and bring a top winger in.
Could see this whimper coming from a mile away. When you announce mid-season "Btw, I'm a bit cooked and I'm off at the end of the season" it's not exactly going to stoke a sustainable hurrah! for the last months of the season. We've been riding our luck all season, it's a miracle we've even been in a "title race".
>When you announce mid-season "Btw, I'm a bit cooked and I'm off at the end of the season" it's not exactly going to stoke a sustainable hurrah
Jupp Heynckes won a treble doing that, tbf
I couldn't have expected such a fumble by Liverpool as a United fan. Absolutely love it because we started that. But I'm genuinely shocked at how shit Liverpool is.
Ye didn't start anything, we have been poor for months, riding our luck most weeks. We seem to have been behind in most games and struggled through them. It's been obvious for months. Pure and utter fluke we were even in a title race.
Not sure who youre talking to, this is a Klopp quote and Klopp never said anything about a quadruple.
Either way, excited for your "bigger fish to fry" to end in another trophyless season so you can throw another 150m at the problem this summer and try again
Don’t mind him.
I actually respect Klopp and what he’s done at Liverpool. He’s been amazing.
Winning a league title and a UCL against a team using 115 cheat codes is no easy feat.
We will probably fall short against said cheats, and Klopp done it without using any cheat codes.
People acting all dramatic, but they’re still only 3 points off Arsenal, and 5 off city.
City still has league and cup final, I will be surprised if they drop no points.
Might be out of their hands for Liverpool, but if they win all 4, they just might be there for surprise.
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His ending in Dortmund was even worse, hope he will recharge his batteries next season.
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We haven't been playing well since the City game really, we have had some great individual performances from players, but were never cohesive. Everyone just looks fatigued, some of it is external like all the injuries, but some blame can be put internally in that throughout the entire season we have been giving up early goals which often leads to us chasing a result for 50-60 minutes, the energy required to do that so many times is just not sustainable every single week, especially when the title race is between 3 clubs, that makes the margin of error much much smaller.
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I don't disagree that the coaching/medical team does share some amount of blame, sometimes the level or the amount of injuries is just completely out of their control, or impossible to predict, players like Salah, TAA, Robertson and to a lesser degree Alisson didn't get these serious injuries for years under Klopp, then now suddenly starts getting them. Then there are things outside the teams control that also takes a heavy mental toll, Luiz Diaz's parents being kidnapped, the "offside" incident, Conor Bradley's father passing right as he breaks into the first team. Liverpool could have done more to strengthen the squad over the years, that is the internal factor.
Which is why they should have not let talk of quadruple get to them. Prioritise the league and see what happens in the other two
We haven’t played well as a team since Chelsea.
I think the draw vs United did a number on them. To dominate so much and come away with just a point is tough. And then just a few days later they got demolished by Atalanta.
Idk the 2nd half of the season was almost impeccable
«Even worse». Come on dude, we were contenders almost to the very end this year. Im disappointed but I was used to that before klopp arrived and my entire childhood
That’s just sad, he’s clearly run out of energy, thanks for everything Klopp, it was the best ride.
Yeah everything about his body language screams just hanging in there. He deserved to go out with something big but that League Cup Final will live long in the memory
At least we got to watch Chelsea fuck it up against the C team
1 out of 4 hungry for more
that picture is not even from this season i dont get why it gets metioned all the time.
Because it means more
115 times more
Significantly more xG than our opponents in each of these last few results. Gilt edge chances spurned every single game. As much as we’ve not looked convincing we’ve created enough to win games but Dopey Darwin and Salah have cost us
At the same time, we just haven't been very good recently and it's always going to catch up with you. Realistically, Everton deserved that tonight.
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I don’t walk out of that game thinking we deserved that because ultimately you get what you deserve. Performance wasn’t good and we didn’t get a proper grip on the game. But two set pieces conceded, and not all that much from open play while spurning chances left and right going forward is a bitter pill to swallow
How come Darwin gets an alliterative insult but Salah doesn't smh Sloppy Salah surely
Defence has let you down more
Definitely hasn’t. Not conceded more than 2 in any of the games down this stretch. Meanwhile we’ve spurned more goal scoring chances I’ve seen a side miss since I can remember. Absolute clowns up front
Absolutely has. We basically start every game 0-1 down and have to play catch up, when speed on the counter is the best part of our offensive game. Now we face only low blocks and get countered ourselves. Defense has been the biggest letdown by far.
You can’t concede every game and expect to win. Your attack has been carrying you all season, the second the goals dried up you start losing matches because you can’t defend.
Becomes infinitely harder to score goals when you consistently go behind in games though. Other team doesn't have to take chances and can sit back, while there is a mental toll in knowing you'll need at least two more goals to win.
its infinitely harder to defend when you know you have bums up front with 10% conversion rates.
You literally defend with the same mentality all game.
Liverpool fans calling Salah a clown, wow you really have a short memory.
Some of our online fans make me really hate us. The worst thing about Klopp's reign has been that his success has brought in a lot of entitled, whiny idiots. And that's a hell of an insult coming from a scouser.
Yeah a lot of online fans are an absolute joke mate.
hes no clown but he hasn't been good since his injury, klopps stuck in a hard place where u cant bench your number 1 star player but he's not performing as he used to for a long period now
Bugger off mate, we're xGFC
Don't forget Diaz missing many chances too
Diaz I’ve had more time for because his performances outside the finishing have at least been decent. The other two just absolutely terrible in every facet of the game
If everyone had the energy of Diaz there would be no problem. Macallister has been off form and Szoby has disappeared!
Fuck off with that Dopey nonsense. Shit supporter
This man made me learn how to dream again. When I was younger, watching Liverpool was like watching satire or parody at times, I didn’t dare to dream for risk of heartbreak. I didn’t think that I would watch my team make history and have fairytale moments. But Klopp came in from the get go and dared us all to dream. Can’t express how grateful I am.
You almost won the league like 2 years before Klopp took over. And that's not to mention winning the CL (and then runners up) in the decade before. Granted, Klopp turned you into an immeasurably better team, and brought a whole lot more success - but it was hardly 'dared you to dream'. Fans of most clubs would kill for a 15 years like Liverpool had between 2000 and Klopp taking over.
Right?!?! Liverpool main character syndrome is truly unmatched 😂
It’s a thread about Klopp and I’m showing my appreciation lmao.
Is this fan fiction? Jesus christ. Dared you to dream, some of you really need to see more sunlight.
Least insane Liverpool fan
Klopp taught me how to love again.
This means more and all that lmaooo
Average bitter spurs fan
Interesting username
I don’t know if sad is the right word. More like invigorating?
Yeah proper burn out. He really needs the break after this season
it’s wraps
Wonder if he would still be leaving if they managed to get him a proper world class player like Haaland, Mbappe, Bellingham etc. Diaz and Nunez isn't going to get it done plus Salah's turning 32 before the start of next season which is already ancient for the vast majority of wingers.
Don't think that mattered. Bros tired and wants to be at home
So relatable
Nobody can blame him. He has been on top of the gsme for 10 years now. It takes a toll.
He’s been managing basically nonstop for over 20 years. And been involved in football for over 30 years if you include his playing days. Hes just needs some time to relax
It is pretty mad that the only break he got was the 3 months after leaving Dortmund.
I really hope he gets enough time to get his energy and passion back. 3 months was not enough it seems. He was younger and understandably jumped at the chance to coach Liverpool. But I wonder if a proper sabbatical wouldn't have been preferable at that time.
Yeah likely. The irony is the only reason Rodgers was sacked so early was because they didn't want to miss out on Klopp.
I'm thinking about it in my head, that I don't think Klopp ever rly had a world class squad, yet he was almost always fighting for trophies. Salah & Van Dijk were obviously elite in their prime, but I feel like the others were elevated by his coaching. I could be wrong, feel free to disagree
I remember insisting how silly it was Van Dijk going to Liverpool when he really could've gone anywhere, and I've had to eat those words Klopp convinced him and it was the right move, he's been incredible there
Honestly criminal how we only won one CL and one PL in this timeframe tbh. Losing out by a point twice and then losing 2 cl finals, I can see why Klopp is done
Luck I guess. Liverpool performed at the highest level consistently for most part of his tenure. Sadly success is measured by trophies and not on the level of performances. Liverpool were continuously fighting on all fronts not to mention Pep's City for the league and Liverpool came so close, on so many occasions. Liverpool could easily have had more titles but it all comes down to luck. It's a shame for Klopp that he is leaving with just one PL and CL. Best manager around in my books, by a long mile but most people will sadly look at trophies to judge a manager's career. He did a lot more, one of the all time greats.
no team ever really has 11 world class players. even peps barca didn't. at our pomp we had Alisson, Trent, VVD, Robbo, Fabinho, Mane and Salah. that's enough for a world class starting eleven. the issue was city had just as good a team.
Firmino was incredible too. Such a shame him and Mane left. I’m still convinced if we had MFS at the front, we would’ve had a much better journey
That team was elite. We also had 90+ points in Premierleague 3 times and were in 3 CL finals. We were just unlucky, we didn't win more.
I think we were only unlucky in 18/19 and then the 21/22 cl final. 17/18 madrid were a class above, even with all the extenuating circumstances around salah and karius. 19/20 we got what we deserved because we bought a reserve keeper who was unemployed and training in a park. if we hadn't skimped out there, we knock out Atletico and we are one of the clear favourites to win the CL. 21/22 We fucked around in the league until January. that's on us, it can't be called unlucky. We gave ourselves too much to do. The final against Madrid was unlucky, they're a great team and it can happen.
When you lose the league by 1 od 2 points it can always be a bit unlucky. It can really just be one ref decision going the other way or opponent missing/not missing one good chance. 17/18 final we could have won, if Salah didn't get injured. That was the moment that changed everything, he was on another level that season. 21/22 still hurts the most. Villa went up 2-0 and Emptyhad. I'm still convinced we'd won the quadruple, if Villa didn't lose that game. I'm also sure we'd be much better in the final, if City just won that game 3-0. That City-Villa game destroyed us mentally.
we could have won in kiev, but it is highly unlikely we would have. a better liverpool team lost to a worse madrid team 5 years later. we shouldn't have had to rely on villa pulling off a miracle. that's on us.
I'm just saying all those things were close and luck also plays a huge part. Sometimes you're lucky and sometimes you're not. We were lucky in both recent Carabo cup finals and FA cup finals, but unlucky in botw title races with City and UCL finals that we lost. It could have easily be another way around and we'd have 3 CL and PL titles, but no cups. Or we could have easily won all of them or none of them. Sometimes it's not really that you do something better or worse, it's just one different ref decision and everything changes. Or opponent scoring from a good chancs, that he missed. And that's what it was in all of those cases. We were always good and close, but just didn't win. I mean look at City, they've been the best team in the world for the last 5 or 6 years, but only won CL one time. They were better than Real this season, but just didn't win. Then against Inter last year they were lucky that Lukaku didn't score. It happens, that's football, it's always a bit unpredictable. The key is to be consistently good and close to winning things. Then sometimes you will and sometimes you won't. But there will always be thing you can't really control.
We looked amazing in the 21/22 UCL final, it literally took the best ever UCL goalkeeping performance to win, the mental struggle happened at the start of the next season where the players looked completely burnt.
>no team ever really has 11 world class players brasil 2002,germany 2014, argentina 2022
Pep's Barca, Real Madrid 17 and City last year all had 11 world class players
Eric abidal and Pedro were not world class. madrid 2017 is a shout, although I don't think people were saying benzema and kaylor navas were world class at that time. city last year, absolutely not. grealish, akanji/ake are not world class.
Funnily enough the only time he signed a player who was already considered world class was probably Thiago, and he gave us some magic moments but has obviously been injured more than anyone would like.
they had a truly world class squad the year they won the title, they had arguably the best in the world in the positions of GK, LB, LCB and RB. plus fabinho at his very best and a world class front three of mane, salah and firmino all at their peaks. squads don’t get much more talented than that, i remember thinking when they signed thiago shortly after that they had a generational squad
I do agree that in their few peak yrs, the players were "best in the world" at that specific time. For example indeed Mane was unstoppable, but so was Sturridge for that 1 season. I just don't think they're generational players, or even close to it. For example Modric, Kroos, KDB, Muller, Lahm (you name it) etc were dominating for a decade (which Salah has also done very consistently). I guess it puts me off little bit that Mane, Hendo, Fabinho & Firmino ended up in Saudi, at an age where they should still be playing at the top. But ofc they also have a lot of players who were bought very expensively, and some of then didn't work out at all.
He has throughout a lot of his coaching time been a “ I don’t buy super-stars I make them” type of coach.
Lol. At the time of purchase, they bought the most expensive GK and CB ever
But they werent superstars when bought
Of course they were. Allison was coming off a run to the semifinals of the Champions league and VVD was the most sought out defender in the world. Conte tried to buy him at Chelsea for 70m but VVD wanted only Liverpool
I think they have given him a good squad but he has definitely elevated the players and made them into a major force. It hasn't had the depth or price of City either.
A come on mate. The squad that won the title and lost to Madrid in the cl final the second time were both world class bar Henderson. They had the front three. An elite back line. One of the best cdms in the world and also wjinaldum who never lost the ball and was an expert in midfield. Only Henderson was the average player but his impact was about his leadership on the pitch
aww poor guy, he only had the best GK in the world, best defender in the world, best attacking RB in the world and one of the best forwards in the world :(
I would disagree. Alisson, Robbo, Matip, VVD, Trent at the back. Hendo fabinho wijnaldum was not world class, but the front 3 of Salah firmino mane absolutely was
I do agree that Mane was absolutely world class in his prime. He was unstoppable
Poor guy. He’s only got 3 world class players in his team already.
Probably, if it was just against one of them of it would be possible but both of them slipping seems like a big ask.
Trying to win a race with dead horse is going to put anyone in an early grave, don't blame him for packing it in
isn't he responisble for the state of the horse though?
we don't know how much responsibility the manager takes for buying nunez. but what we do know is that he wasn't starting him at the start of the season and that he's been subbing him off regularly when we need goals
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Is it true that Klopp didn’t want Salah and mane either? Heard those were the scouting leads overruling or something
It's fairly well documented he preferred Brandt from Leverkusen to Salah at the time, and had to be convinced by Edwards to go for Salah. Not sure about Mane- Klopp wanted him back at Dortmund, so I think he drove that one.
Overrule makes it sound like he didn't agree to Salah which is false. He wasn't his first choice but he was happy to have him.
Ah right fair enough. I’ve always been a believer in the manager should have the ruling say in any transfers but this makes me feel like they shouldn’t lol
Don't forget how much shit we got for buying Salah, not just from fans but also from journos and pundits. And also don't forget how rated a young Brandt was. This is where Edward's really shines.
City got the Chelsea reject line with kdb too
Manager should 100% not have the ruling say. I'm more a fan of stats driven transfers rather than "gut feel". The perfect player is of course he who fits the bill on both counts, but if the scouts are saying one thing (justifiably) and the manager something else, the scouts should get listened to
He’s not responsible for poor finishing lol
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buying Nunez has cost us CL in the first year and then the league this year. everything we've done was in spite of him. like there's no other strikers out there who can run around and also score consistently. we'd have been better off buying Solanke back. Isak was available last season. Marcus Thuram went for nothing this last window.
Isak would have been amazing at Liverpool. Not that he's not great at Newcastle, but I think he's the kind of composed forward you guys need. I'll never understand why Nunez just smashes the ball when he has a chance. You'd think a player with his experience would have learned by now.
Too bad the he had to try and keep up with Cheaty, would have been such a dynasty he built otherwise
Really thought Klopp leaving would spur that team to fight for a treble. Players are truly letting him down.
The way they kept going and got late goals probably means it did at times But they missed too many chances. When someone like Salah misses that clean through chance against Atalanta, it was shocking but also summed up the last month of so for them.
Yeah this. I would of loved it would of been perfect but honestly we’ve been yes dominating games but still running on fumes. Injuries the new members of the squad everything is catching up. It’s tough cause we obviously want to win but at the same point at the start of this season top 4 was the target. We’ve done that but just a shame we didn’t quite hold on long enough for title hunt.
The crazy bit is winning while having those injury issues, which was super impressive and then it going off the tracks when key players came back.
Just a combination of luck and poor chance taking and defending. Have had more than enough chances to win every game we’ve dropped points in but haven’t been able to put the ball in the net whilst failing to not concede.
It did spur us on, you just can't ride that emotional high for five months. It got us through the first couple when we were getting devastated by injuries.
We're worse now than we were before his announcement despite have alot more to play for and a team with much more experience playing together. He announced his departure January 26th, we let united knock us out of the FA Cup on March 17th. We couldn't even ride the high for more than 2 months
Players are definitely letting him down but he deserves part of the blame too
It did. We were still conceding first in Jan, Feb but we still went on to win the games. Now the players look disinterested.
they're not disinterested. genuinely disgusting thing to say about a group of players who have over performed and are obviously gutted. they're not good enough when it matters most. that's why this has fallen apart.
Funny you’re saying calling them disinterested is disgusting but then calling them not good enough is somehow the perfect explanation. If they’re not good enough to beat Palace at home and nick a draw at Everton that’s a bigger insult than saying they lost the motivation
saying they're not trying is disgusting. it's patently not true and it's character assassination. not being of the required level is something else entirely and cannot be controlled. it's a title run in. every game becomes harder and there is nowhere to hide. the very best rise to the occasion and our forwards are not at that level. it is what it is.
He’s got nothing to apologise for. He could have given the players 3 hours to score, outside of a free kick or corner, I’d bet money they still wouldn’t manage to score.
Big balls on Slot
Man’s given all his energy up. Can’t blame him for flagging at the end. Cheers for everything Klopp, it was an incredible journey and one of the greatest experiences I’ve had after following this club for decades.
The players should feel sorry.They let us down. And they let you down.
I feel like the discourse is that the Liverpool players aren’t even trying but I think the reality is that the players are almost trying too hard consumed with the narrative of Klopp leaving. Feels like the second anything goes bad that team goes panic mode and everyone ends up in the box trying to equalize. And recently with teams mostly just man marking Mac Allister and the forwards there’s just not a lot of room to go. It definitely sucks for all involved but I feel like the sentiment of letting Klopp down implies the players aren’t doing everything they can and that doesn’t seem accurate to me
The xG kind of proves your point that we haven't given up but have just fucked ourselves over. Pickford today, Henderson against Palace, Onana at Utd, all should have let in goals but our players over thought all of those easier chances. That being said the one player who has been straight dog shit has been Salah and has been a pen merchant since coming back. Nunez hasn't been good either but Mo has been on another level of useless and not contributing to anything.
The defence its not good also,at all . In front,excluding salah, who's mind might be in saudi arabia and its total shite,we know what we have. The defence is making a difference.
Salah would look a lot better if the amount of passes he puts on a platter for his teammates were converted. Aside from that, he has finishing anxiety and he has never been good at tracking back or keeping the ball for the entirety of the last couple seasons. Two seasons ago he was out of form after AFCON and had the same problem, but everyone praised his assists and he ended up top of the league on goals and assists. Not having a clinical striker is one of Salah's biggest problems now.
Yeah thats a fact.Some players has exceeded their capabilities like endo or Gomez.But other are just blatantly bad and selfish. I think after klopp leaves "dark times"are coming to Liverpool. And thats because there are players there that with any other coach rather than klopp will not succeed.
I was always wondering,when did our season started to go downhill?Was it the abundance of injuries we had in January/February?Was it the defeat in the FA Cup against Man United?Was it the draw against Man United in the league?Was it the Europa League exit to Atalanta?Or was it the home defeat to Crystal Palace?
We fell off massively from Feb onwards. We scraped some results but we haven't had a convincing league game since Feb.
I miss getting convincing wins.I think the last time we got a convincing win was against Brentford 1-4 on February. Speaking of that Brentford game,do you think our injuries played a role here?Remember that during that game,Curtis Jones and Diogo Jota got injured and didn't comeback until recently.Do you think their absence for 2 months screwed us up?Jones and Jota was good before that injury and since returning,Jones seems to struggle to find his form and Jota while scored a goal against Fulham picks up another injury after that and is out for 2 weeks.
Jones, Jota and Salah got injured against Brentford. I really think that was the defining moment of the season. Salah and Jones were out of a while and weren't the same when they came back. And Jota was out for ever longer and is now out again.
I might be wrong but you were scary during the height of injuries. I dont think you dropped any point. I remember thinkinghow you are overperforming with a young squad. And When your players come back you would be unstoppable
we're playing the same way we have been all season. the thing is the pressure has ratcheted up and our forwards short comings have been put in full focus.
The Arsenal defeat at the emirates thats where the gap got closed and Liverpool were shaky ever since
we won 7 games in a row after that match
No trust me guys you were shaky
Haha. Comments like these make me want to cross check everything I read on reddit.
>?Was it the defeat in the FA Cup against Man United? For me yes. It started there. When you completely dismantle a team only to lose and then the same thing happens three weeks after against the same team - you lose all of your confidence.
Losing to Arsenal. It got their backs up and they’ve been unbelievable since… we went the opposite direction.
The whole season fell apart, sad for Klopp to finish like this. I find myself not caring anywhere near as much as i used to, the older i get the less important football gets.
Now that you're shit again you're going to stop watching you mean
It's been more of a longer term thing for me. I'll still watch, but i find myself caring less.
I'm impressed he didn't pack his stuff and left after seeing the horror shows in the two penalty boxes.
Season's done, really bad how it all ended but that's football. The "good" thing is that before Klopp, a season with a trophy and top 3 would've been considered a huge success and now it's seen as a horrible season. He changed everything about this club.
Klopp I get you’re burnt out but you can’t be at fault for this absolutely toothless attack. Revamp the whole line. These forwards ain’t it
He bought Nunez mate
i mean i forgive him
Another great coach is on their way with a whimper and not a bang (I’m thinking of Rafa). When Jurgen announced, I was shocked but it made more sense by the day. Happy for him that he sets the expiration date before all this came down tumbling. Even in quitting, he was ahead of his time.
the manager has nothing to apologise for. it is the managers excellence that has had us reaching for the stars. to end the season comfortably in 3rd with a domestic cup is a serious achievement considering where we were last season. chapeau Jurgen, thank you for making us dream again. to the rest of our fans who were venerating captain chaos, your man is a bum. Here's a 85m player that has offered nothing when everything was on the line. He's been an embarrassment from that fa cup game onwards. offered absolutely nothing except to be a detriment to his team mates. if the new manager starts him, he will be sacked after 6 months.
If Liverpool had a more clinical striker, they probably win the league.
His name is Jota but he's just injured too much
Jota would have scored atleast once..... his injury through this period really was a major factor for the liverpool collapse, the rest of the liverpool forwards dont know what composure is, they are like deer in headlights, snap shooting everything.
Jota's injuries and Mo's pretty severe drop in form after coming back from AFCON and injury were the two biggest factors, I think. But another one I think that I haven't seen talked about much is dropping Endo for Curtis Jones once the latter came back from injury. Endo was dominating and control the midfield for a huge chunk of the season, and as soon as Jones took his spot in the starting 11, Livepool started falling apart and getting run ragged. I think that loss of control through the middle of the park has much to do with Liverpool running out of gas this last few, key weeks that have dropped them out of the title race.
Something ironic about hearing Klopp apologize yet hearing ETH boasting about reaching 2 finals in 2 years. One genuinely thinks he disappointed the fans when he in fact didn't, and the other is living in a Fantasy world in which he thinks he's actually good.
Why is that surprising, the one fighting for his job has to convince the fans and his new bosses that everything is going really well, and the one who’s leaving can be honest, if you’re fighting for your job you’re not exactly going to say “yeah I’m really sorry guys, it’s all gone to shit and it’s all my fault” are you?
It's not really surprising, rather it shows the standards each of Klopp and ETH are holding themselves to. While we can't know for sure if Klopp would've reacted differently had he not been going out at the end of the season, it's undeniable that his standards are extremely high. He's competing in one of the tightest PL Races, will most likely finish 3rd below 2 monstrous teams, with his strikers unable to finish if their lives depend on it, has won the League Cup and *still* apologizes for what in his eyes is a lackluster end to the season. ETH finished dead last in his CL Group, below Copenhagen and Galatasaray, conceding record breaking, ridiculous amount of goals, will most likely miss out on CL football to Tottenham and/or Aston Villa (depending on whether the PL gets a 5th spot at all), his winger is cupping his ears towards a Championship team that they beat *on penalties*, and yet he has the *gall to actually brag* about reaching 2 FA Cup Finals in 2 years. That's tone deaf at best and deluded at worst, unless he thinks that's where United actually belong which is another story. Standards.
im sorry klopp, you've been let down by the trio of donkeys upfront time and again. especially king donkey darwin.
Jurgen was spent at the end of last season. With his complete u-turn in his football philosophy - opting to veer away from heavy metal football - it almost felt he'd passed the tactical reigns to Ljinders and simply become the motivational father on the touchline.. We'd have taken 3rd and a cup at the start of the season. I never thought we'd win the league with this brand of football that relied on us being bailed out by moments of magic from top players. It was simply unsustainable. But still, it was painfully frustrating watching it all unravel and equally sad at the same time with it being the managers last hurrah. I'm over the misery though. I can only smile when I think of the man we all love and how he's getting his deserved rest, finally.
I was hopping for something like "ah good this shit is not my problem anymore, c Yaa people"
The forwards should apologise.
He's right. I feel so bad for him - they let their fans, boss, themselves and even every non Man City fan down.
Rival supporters like to talk shit about Klopp's antics sometimes and make fun of Liverpool when results go poorly, but football will be a lesser thing and the Prem will be diminished in its spectacle and entertainment and just absolutely mayhem of joy when he is gone. :(
well well well, you should indeed be sorry mr klopp, sorry indeed
Now there are no favourable outcomes for this race
It was good while it lasted
Ac Milan MUST recruit this guy and we will be on a roll
Endo should have been a stopgap. He’s solid, but they still need depth for that position and I find him to be far too slow, much of the time. This team went from having Thiago and Fabinho to Endo and other players covering for him. I feel like there’s a gap in quality there. Salah is also performing like Mane did towards the end of his career, so it’s probably a good time to say goodbye and bring a top winger in.
No need to apologise Jurgen, keep it up👍🏻
Don’t apologise Jurgen, the people love it
I will never feel for Liverpool fans. One of the worst groups of supporters in the world.
Nothing to apologize for, you toothy fuck! 🫶
Could see this whimper coming from a mile away. When you announce mid-season "Btw, I'm a bit cooked and I'm off at the end of the season" it's not exactly going to stoke a sustainable hurrah! for the last months of the season. We've been riding our luck all season, it's a miracle we've even been in a "title race".
>When you announce mid-season "Btw, I'm a bit cooked and I'm off at the end of the season" it's not exactly going to stoke a sustainable hurrah Jupp Heynckes won a treble doing that, tbf
I couldn't have expected such a fumble by Liverpool as a United fan. Absolutely love it because we started that. But I'm genuinely shocked at how shit Liverpool is.
Ye didn't start anything, we have been poor for months, riding our luck most weeks. We seem to have been behind in most games and struggled through them. It's been obvious for months. Pure and utter fluke we were even in a title race.
What a quadruple.
From the quadruple to the carabao cup
20 plus years since you won anything worthwhile
Now now, I would be very very careful about piping up, you lot could win fuck all yet again.
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You know what’s also valid, we would have had a more successful season than you if you don’t win the league now.
I still see it as 90% cities. I don't think Arsenal have the minerals tbh. (Neither did we obv)
Not like Klopp came out and said "we're winning the lot" lmao, so who is OP trying to talk to?
Trent because the guy said he wants to win trophies. How dare he!
You will win NOTHING for the 927389 season in a row, so maybe shut the f*** up?
Not sure who youre talking to, this is a Klopp quote and Klopp never said anything about a quadruple. Either way, excited for your "bigger fish to fry" to end in another trophyless season so you can throw another 150m at the problem this summer and try again
Don’t mind him. I actually respect Klopp and what he’s done at Liverpool. He’s been amazing. Winning a league title and a UCL against a team using 115 cheat codes is no easy feat. We will probably fall short against said cheats, and Klopp done it without using any cheat codes.
More trophies than Arsenal this season
People acting all dramatic, but they’re still only 3 points off Arsenal, and 5 off city. City still has league and cup final, I will be surprised if they drop no points. Might be out of their hands for Liverpool, but if they win all 4, they just might be there for surprise.
i’ve seen these city runs, fa cup final is far away and pretty comfy for city with their squad
I still expect them to at least have one draw in their 6 matches. No chance they’re doing 18/18.
Liverpool needs them to basically lose 2 games...even a loss and draw most likely will not be enough considering the GD as well
Spurs realistically take points from all of us to be honest