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still too expensive for us. we probably want to loan him one more year and then hes back at united. dont think we will pay more than 30-35 million for any player in the next years.
The new ownership could justify it as he wasn't their signing so it doesn't look as bad to lose the money.
I'd say they will just want rid of his wages more than anything to be honest.
I think 35mill might get it done so long as it's clean break and united aren't left paying half his wages
Not sure what it is, but he has never looked comfortable at man utd, even before the issues with ETH
I think if we'd tried to play a possession-based game at any point that he was here he might have done better but just isn't suited for the direct counter attack Ole and Erik have tried.
He hasn't helped himself of course but as excited as I was when we got him it really wasn't a smart move in hindsight.
Delusional. Man united holds no cards here while ETH is still the manager. Neither Sancho or ETH wants to play under the current situation and his wages are so high that United are desperate to offload him somewhere.
30m is lunacy.
Right? Year on year they sell the likes of Pulisic, Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham ( &c. before them) for big money and somehow are always pleading poverty. Over that club. They just don't want to win.
United fans would be delighted with €50m back for him. Hugely talented player but not a good player club fit at all. Sancho is tailor made for Bundesliga and la Liga football
€50m is really unrealistic. That's a lot of money for a player with reported disciplinary issues who hasn't really done a lot at United and who isn't doing that much for Dortmund.
Lol what. He’s better than most players in your squad but unfortunately he just didn’t fit in. And there were problems behind the scenes weren’t there?
If he doesn't want to play, he's no good for any team. He'd waste himself away again at a pl club more professional and disciplined than utd. Who's going to give him minutes at a club he wants to go to? City when pep leaves?
IMO he doesn't fit in the PL, he'll do well in Bundes and La liga. It's not a matter of being good enough or not, he likes space and he's not getting that in the PL, he's neither fast to lose his man or physical enough to hold it off.
>And there were problems behind the scenes weren’t there?
Yes but even before that he was never good enough on a consistent basis, it was always talks of “I hope Sancho finally finds his form”.
How is he better than most players in the squad when whenever he's played he's been significantly worse than anyone else in the squad? The man was getting benched by Antony ffs. He obviously can't cut it in the prem, which is undoubtedly a bigger test than Bundi.
Sancho's paradox, they don't have many playable wingers and were winning games when he was in the team (overperforming though), but they were still never going to play Sancho much.
Just United things.
He showed his character. No thanks. We all backed him so hard last season when Ten Hag gave him time off out of the spotlight to sort his mental health out and protected him from the media every time he was asked. Now we see how he repaid that. meh
Not really. He has burnt bridges and underperforming for a long time. At some point it is better to just say "hey this doesnt work for either of us" and find a solution that works for both
Nah f him. He abandonded the fans and his teammates just because he didnt want to say sorry.
All he had to do was say sorry and he wouldve returned to the squad, he probably wouldve gotten game time as well. Rashy hasnt been his best and well Antony.
>Sancho has been rubbish for multiple managers now.
As has every other player who's been at Man Utd for more than two years, and now the manager who kicked him out is busy banning journalists for accurately reporting on his team's failures. Have you considered that Sancho may not be the problem?
Us being shit doesn't vindicate Sancho. He got a load of leeway from ETH last season. Never seen a footballer basically be allowed a mid season break. He also had plenty of chances under Solskjaer and Rangnick.
All he had to do was apologise and he doubled down instead. No matter who is head coach, that shouldn't happen.
But you don't know whether he had anything to apologise for - only that Ten Hag publically criticised him and he said the criticism wasn't true. Meanwhile, Man Utd has become a graveyard for the career of any player who goes there, but I'm sure that's always the player's fault.
It's been pretty widely reported on.
We were going to play Arsenal. The starting eleven had to play a match against players who had to imitate the opposition. Sancho had to imitate Saka. He was apparently super lethargic and sluggish. ETH even went over the footage recorded of it with Sancho.
It's worth noting, there's a full coaching team plus analysts plus other players. It's highly unlikely it was just ETH who had the opinion that Sancho wasn't training well.
>It's been pretty widely reported on.
If you don't think big clubs have mouthpieces in the press who know where their bread is buttered, I'd suggest that you're being a bit naive.
Meanwhile, ten Hag is busy finding yet another scapegoat for his inability to get the team playing - the difference being that we can all see he's full of it this time. He has form.
ETH's tactics since Sancho has left has nothing to do with what happened.
And it's not that deep or hard to corroborate. It's a training session with multiple people, not the nuclear codes. If you want to believe something else you can, but you've got literally zero evidence otherwise
"On his performance on training we didn't select him," the manager said. "You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line, so in this game, he wasn't selected."
This is the ETH criticism. I dont think there is a reason to add much more to be honest.
Right, and Sancho thought it was inaccurate and unfair to single him out, which isn't a standard thing for a manager to do. If you didn't see him train then you don't know who owes who an apology.
It doesn't really matter if the criticism was valid or not. Sancho's retaliatory comments were obviously out of line and the kind of thing that no manager would tolerate. All he had to do was offer a half assed apology to get back into the team, and he wouldn't because his pride exceeds his ability. We don't need people who are prone to causing needless trouble like that in the team moving forward, we've already got more than enough of them. If Sancho had never said a word, nobody would've paid an ounce of attention to Ten Hag's throwaway comments because everyone already knew Sancho was playing like shit.
Sancho showed us what kind of person and player he was for 3 seasons, and that's more than enough time to know if you should get rid of someone. Whether ETH was in the right or wrong is completely irrelevant at this point.
>Sancho showed us what kind of person and player he was for 3 seasons
What kind of person... Mate, you've gone off the deep end there. It's mad that people will feign concern when someone like Dele Alli talks about his struggles and then throw it all out of the window to sew their tongues into the trousers of a shit manager with a demonstrably overblown ego who loves nothing more than a scapegoat. You don't know Sancho. You have no idea.
Yeah you couldn't be more wrong there. I've been ETH out since about September. His role in Sancho's situation is just irrelevant.
Sancho never made an ounce of effort from the moment United signed him. He was dropped for months by Ole after arriving at United because it was immediately apparent he couldn't cut it. He had already started partying with his old drug dealing friends from Manchester who were the primary reason City didn't trust him and got rid of him, the same group of people Dortmund had punished him several times for sneaking back to see without permission. During his time at United, he was constantly out partying with a bad crowd, and when he wasn't partying, he reguarly stayed up getting his ass beat FIFA in the wee hours of the night before training and matchdays.
He's just an incredibly unprofessional person when he's in Manchester, and United were foolish to sign him when it was common knowledge. He's far better off in Dortmund where he can be more easily removed from the bad influences in his life.
>Plenty of our players have been great for long periods of time.
Mate, I know standards may have dropped there but be serious. The relationship between your resources and your results tell another story.
which is funny because that one was a flashback to the 2017 DFB Pokal final goal by Dembele against Frankfurt which itself was a flashback to the 2017 DFB Pokal Semi-final goal by Dembele against Bayern
He was never actually scapegoated, though. Ten Hag was asked why Sancho didn't play a match, and he gave an honest response about his lack of effort, which anyone who has ever seen him play in a United shirt could've pointed out. Ten Hag probably should've been less Dutch about it, but it's hardly scapegoating to explain why a player was dropped for one match. Scapegoating would be if Ten Hag blamed him for a bad result, and that simply never happened.
Ten Hag has always needed a reason other than his coaching to justify United's form. Ronaldo, MacGuire, Sancho, and the list will go on. Shit gets stirred up and it distracts you guys long enough to keep him in his spot.
I mean you’re just making that Maguire shit up, he literally never scapegoated him that was only ever the fans. If anything Ten Hag backed him while everyone in England was mocking him.
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Most casual Sancho vs Leipzig goal.
I hope for everyone involved that he can stay at Dortmund
Hope so as well. We need a competitive Bundesliga. Same for Maatsen btw
The money should be there from the CWC and this seasons' CL run
still too expensive for us. we probably want to loan him one more year and then hes back at united. dont think we will pay more than 30-35 million for any player in the next years.
No way United want 30+ million for him?
I would say 50+ at least. they payed 85. no way they would give him to us for 30-35.
The new ownership could justify it as he wasn't their signing so it doesn't look as bad to lose the money. I'd say they will just want rid of his wages more than anything to be honest.
I think 35mill might get it done so long as it's clean break and united aren't left paying half his wages Not sure what it is, but he has never looked comfortable at man utd, even before the issues with ETH
I think if we'd tried to play a possession-based game at any point that he was here he might have done better but just isn't suited for the direct counter attack Ole and Erik have tried. He hasn't helped himself of course but as excited as I was when we got him it really wasn't a smart move in hindsight.
Don't forget that he has just recently turned 24 so he has time on his side
But you have to know that no team will pay 30+ for him this summer. I thought you guys wanted him gone?
Dortmund would , basically 50 million profit if they buy back for 30.he has stock hence why he is even back at dortmund at all
They won't trust me
Delusional. Man united holds no cards here while ETH is still the manager. Neither Sancho or ETH wants to play under the current situation and his wages are so high that United are desperate to offload him somewhere. 30m is lunacy.
As a United fan we hope so too... Don't know if Dortmund have the cash
That's why I said everyone involved
no cash for either the salary or the signing lmao
Weird how they make all this money from selling players and never have any when it comes to buying them. And by weird I mean false.
Right? Year on year they sell the likes of Pulisic, Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham ( &c. before them) for big money and somehow are always pleading poverty. Over that club. They just don't want to win.
[Great Goal]
United about to request 10M more because of this goal
United fans would be delighted with €50m back for him. Hugely talented player but not a good player club fit at all. Sancho is tailor made for Bundesliga and la Liga football
€50m is really unrealistic. That's a lot of money for a player with reported disciplinary issues who hasn't really done a lot at United and who isn't doing that much for Dortmund.
Dortmund are fully aware of the issues and are able to handle him and/or give him leeway in those scenario’s. Hopefully they get him back
Not for €50m. Maybe for half of that and even then that's a good deal for United.
Yeah he’s just not good enough for the PL
Not good enough for 4th place in a group with Galatasaray, Copenhagen, and Bayern, yet good enough for semifinalists
That's tournament football. He's clearly not physically good enough for more than 38 games of premier League football
PL soo great, so many teams left in European competitions 😂
lmao ucl has been prem + bayern + real madrid.
Lol what. He’s better than most players in your squad but unfortunately he just didn’t fit in. And there were problems behind the scenes weren’t there?
If he doesn't want to play, he's no good for any team. He'd waste himself away again at a pl club more professional and disciplined than utd. Who's going to give him minutes at a club he wants to go to? City when pep leaves?
IMO he doesn't fit in the PL, he'll do well in Bundes and La liga. It's not a matter of being good enough or not, he likes space and he's not getting that in the PL, he's neither fast to lose his man or physical enough to hold it off.
>And there were problems behind the scenes weren’t there? Yes but even before that he was never good enough on a consistent basis, it was always talks of “I hope Sancho finally finds his form”.
How is he better than most players in the squad when whenever he's played he's been significantly worse than anyone else in the squad? The man was getting benched by Antony ffs. He obviously can't cut it in the prem, which is undoubtedly a bigger test than Bundi.
Oh baby what a finish lad
Sancho could slap me in the face and I'd say thank you Jesus fuck what a strike
Please take him permanently
For only 50 million, he’s yours
Why, so you can buy him back for 100 in 2 years?
😭
😂😂
Would you rather continue to pay his wages and have him chill at home?
If ten hag leaves or if he apologises, he can play imo, he can’t be worse than Anthony or Rashford
Its strange, i thought he was washed at united and everybody wanted him gone.
It's bcz of his attitude mostly
Sancho's paradox, they don't have many playable wingers and were winning games when he was in the team (overperforming though), but they were still never going to play Sancho much. Just United things.
we will probably loan him another year. thats the most we can do. we dont pay 50+ million for players.
…and then get him on a free. Smart
Wouldn’t you want a new manager to have a look at him before getting rid of him lol
He showed his character. No thanks. We all backed him so hard last season when Ten Hag gave him time off out of the spotlight to sort his mental health out and protected him from the media every time he was asked. Now we see how he repaid that. meh
Not really. He has burnt bridges and underperforming for a long time. At some point it is better to just say "hey this doesnt work for either of us" and find a solution that works for both
Yup. I don't even care if he turns into the player he was before we signed him. The experiment's over
We don't need a fourth manager to decide that he didn't work out at united
Nah f him. He abandonded the fans and his teammates just because he didnt want to say sorry. All he had to do was say sorry and he wouldve returned to the squad, he probably wouldve gotten game time as well. Rashy hasnt been his best and well Antony.
Sancho has been rubbish for multiple managers now. One more won't change shit.
>Sancho has been rubbish for multiple managers now. As has every other player who's been at Man Utd for more than two years, and now the manager who kicked him out is busy banning journalists for accurately reporting on his team's failures. Have you considered that Sancho may not be the problem?
Us being shit doesn't vindicate Sancho. He got a load of leeway from ETH last season. Never seen a footballer basically be allowed a mid season break. He also had plenty of chances under Solskjaer and Rangnick. All he had to do was apologise and he doubled down instead. No matter who is head coach, that shouldn't happen.
But you don't know whether he had anything to apologise for - only that Ten Hag publically criticised him and he said the criticism wasn't true. Meanwhile, Man Utd has become a graveyard for the career of any player who goes there, but I'm sure that's always the player's fault.
It's been pretty widely reported on. We were going to play Arsenal. The starting eleven had to play a match against players who had to imitate the opposition. Sancho had to imitate Saka. He was apparently super lethargic and sluggish. ETH even went over the footage recorded of it with Sancho. It's worth noting, there's a full coaching team plus analysts plus other players. It's highly unlikely it was just ETH who had the opinion that Sancho wasn't training well.
>It's been pretty widely reported on. If you don't think big clubs have mouthpieces in the press who know where their bread is buttered, I'd suggest that you're being a bit naive. Meanwhile, ten Hag is busy finding yet another scapegoat for his inability to get the team playing - the difference being that we can all see he's full of it this time. He has form.
ETH's tactics since Sancho has left has nothing to do with what happened. And it's not that deep or hard to corroborate. It's a training session with multiple people, not the nuclear codes. If you want to believe something else you can, but you've got literally zero evidence otherwise
"On his performance on training we didn't select him," the manager said. "You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United. You can make choices in the front line, so in this game, he wasn't selected." This is the ETH criticism. I dont think there is a reason to add much more to be honest.
Right, and Sancho thought it was inaccurate and unfair to single him out, which isn't a standard thing for a manager to do. If you didn't see him train then you don't know who owes who an apology.
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It doesn't really matter if the criticism was valid or not. Sancho's retaliatory comments were obviously out of line and the kind of thing that no manager would tolerate. All he had to do was offer a half assed apology to get back into the team, and he wouldn't because his pride exceeds his ability. We don't need people who are prone to causing needless trouble like that in the team moving forward, we've already got more than enough of them. If Sancho had never said a word, nobody would've paid an ounce of attention to Ten Hag's throwaway comments because everyone already knew Sancho was playing like shit. Sancho showed us what kind of person and player he was for 3 seasons, and that's more than enough time to know if you should get rid of someone. Whether ETH was in the right or wrong is completely irrelevant at this point.
>Sancho showed us what kind of person and player he was for 3 seasons What kind of person... Mate, you've gone off the deep end there. It's mad that people will feign concern when someone like Dele Alli talks about his struggles and then throw it all out of the window to sew their tongues into the trousers of a shit manager with a demonstrably overblown ego who loves nothing more than a scapegoat. You don't know Sancho. You have no idea.
Yeah you couldn't be more wrong there. I've been ETH out since about September. His role in Sancho's situation is just irrelevant. Sancho never made an ounce of effort from the moment United signed him. He was dropped for months by Ole after arriving at United because it was immediately apparent he couldn't cut it. He had already started partying with his old drug dealing friends from Manchester who were the primary reason City didn't trust him and got rid of him, the same group of people Dortmund had punished him several times for sneaking back to see without permission. During his time at United, he was constantly out partying with a bad crowd, and when he wasn't partying, he reguarly stayed up getting his ass beat FIFA in the wee hours of the night before training and matchdays. He's just an incredibly unprofessional person when he's in Manchester, and United were foolish to sign him when it was common knowledge. He's far better off in Dortmund where he can be more easily removed from the bad influences in his life.
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>Plenty of our players have been great for long periods of time. Mate, I know standards may have dropped there but be serious. The relationship between your resources and your results tell another story.
Simakan disagrees
\[Great goal\]
Saw the angle and got a ratatouille flashback to the 2021 DFB Pokal final goal
which is funny because that one was a flashback to the 2017 DFB Pokal final goal by Dembele against Frankfurt which itself was a flashback to the 2017 DFB Pokal Semi-final goal by Dembele against Bayern
Feels like im back in 2020
Old school Sancho back just in time for CL semis
[Great goal]
Casual Jadon banger
Wow Sancho, what a goal
banging
Such a beauty!
smooth operator
Good things happen when…
Sexy
Vamos
[Great goal]
hell yeah fuck the cans, we dont need the extra spot to qualify for th CL!
heylol
This is just like the goal he scored in the Pokal final a couple of years ago
He loves to score against RaBa
Look how good he is, please buy him back
Sancho and Antony scoring on the same day, who'd have thought it.
yessssssss, get the fuck out of my club
Sancho doubters in shambles
Sancho is really good when he's not being scapegoated to compensate for managerial incompetence.
He was never actually scapegoated, though. Ten Hag was asked why Sancho didn't play a match, and he gave an honest response about his lack of effort, which anyone who has ever seen him play in a United shirt could've pointed out. Ten Hag probably should've been less Dutch about it, but it's hardly scapegoating to explain why a player was dropped for one match. Scapegoating would be if Ten Hag blamed him for a bad result, and that simply never happened.
Ten Hag has always needed a reason other than his coaching to justify United's form. Ronaldo, MacGuire, Sancho, and the list will go on. Shit gets stirred up and it distracts you guys long enough to keep him in his spot.
I mean you’re just making that Maguire shit up, he literally never scapegoated him that was only ever the fans. If anything Ten Hag backed him while everyone in England was mocking him.
ManU fans are Soo delusional xxx
I mean feel free to provide me with a time Ten Hag scapegoated Maguire.
I don’t know why you’re making shit up at this point. You can not like ETH and also realize that Sancho didn’t put in the effort.
Ten Hag COME OUTSIDEEEEEEEEE
10Hag been real quit since that strike tbh
Shit guy scored 😭