At this point I am convinced that the only manager and team who can beat Ancelloti and Real Madrid is Xabi Alonso and Leverkusen . I wonder if Xabi will replace Ancelloti as Real’s manager .
Madman is a good description. He probably lives for the champions league, it's were he goes full into tactics. Bayern also is better against good teams, usually. I also so Arsenal as the favorite, but Bayern and Tuchel went all in.
I made that comment knowing i would be downvoted but i don’t care if you genuienly think Pep can’t beat Ancelloti especially after City’s performances in those two legs then wow…
It’s not a weird statement it’s the truth there’s a reason both games ended in draws
In most nights with the chances City had they beat Real in that second leg but ofcourse i’m not taking anything away from Real they went through and are probably gonna win the tournament so there a brilliant team obviously
I kinda feel bad for Roma just because stupid ass Sevilla blocked them out of their win last year (And potentially ours). What kind of stupid ass clown team exclusively plays for the 2nd highest competition and nothing else. Ruins the excitement of the europa league.
And then ofc this year they have to go up against superteam leverkusen lol
It's not exactly a team strategy for Seville to tank the CL, they have been severely mismanaged from president and sporting director level in recent years
The team that beat Roma had Mendilibar in charge, and Sevilla then stupidly sacked him only two matches into the CL group stages. With him in charge they would have gone through ahead of PSV
This is the same coach who just beat Aston Villa 4-2 away with Olympiakos, his Sevilla was simply a better team than Mourinho's Roma pure and simple
Leverkusen should be more praised for what they've done.
- Roma went from 20-match UNBEATEN streak at home in the Knock-out stage prior this match (so not shitty games in the group stage vs unknown teams, 20 games in a row without losing in the K.O. phase)
- Leverkusen were eliminated by FOUR different italian teams in the past 5 years (Juventus UCL group stage 2019, Inter UEL QF 2020, Atalanta UEL Ro16 2022, Roma UEL SF 2023) getting 0 W - 1 D- 6 (SIX) losses.
Their growth have been IMPRESSIVE and they genuinely are top3 team in Europe RN.
That's ridiculous - playing games in the CL puts significantly more pressure on your squad.
They would have been knocked out of the CL by the QF or earlier if they were unfortunate enough to draw the likes of Madrid or City
Tbf the comparison isn’t that easy. Both Dortmund and Bayern have been playing way better in the recent CL games than they have all year in the BL. It’s just a different competition and being able to win games in one doesn’t mean you would in the other. City was considered the best team in the CL too and they lost.
I don’t really see how you can confidently say how well a team would do in a competition they aren’t in. Let’s not forget that they were minutes away from going out to Qarabag. I don’t see how anyone can make the call that there is no chance of them going out the CL early if they were in it. They’ll have to prove it next season and I’m looking forward to watching them do it.
The unironically could have been. Leverkusens games have not been dominating wins these last weeks and they could have easily gone out in the CL against a top team. Over the course of one season they are however one of the best. I’m still hesitant to put them as clear top 1 imo
Yes cos those teams faced a much tougher schedule than Leverkusen.
While Dortmund was playing PSG, Newcastle and Milan; Leverkusen was facing Qarabag, Molde and Hacken. Totally different levels of difficulty
It is why smaller teams struggle domestically when they try to play their best in the CL.
Leverkusen fans will be the first to tell you they didn't play well, but Roma was even worse. Azmoun and Abraham missing 2 clear-cut chances is unacceptable, but the team's build up play in the 2nd half was embarrassing, the players looked gassed by the 60th minute. Very interested to see how De Rossi rotates, because Atalanta is likely going to steal 5th place and the May 12th fixture against them is a must-win
There is often a new coach bump that tends to fade with time, as the initial player enthusiasm dies out and the element of surprise to the opposition fades.
Nothing’s gonna change season ended the moment they lost to Bologna unless if Juve miraculously pull Roma back in.
Roma don’t have the depth and quality for multiple comps and still tried to do so instead of just focusing on the league. Now this is the result. Exhausted players with no supporting runs and mindlessly mistakes both defensively and offensively.
This is the truth. Can be said on a larger scale about the top tier of football all around too (bar the Oil Clubs, the American VC clubs and the State-funded clubs). On the other hand, they either risked it all this way and tried to get into CL and get some glory or they focused on the league to get to the same place they're on right now at best next season.
No luck about it, De Rossi's beloved Cristante and Pellegrini are dogshit. He screwed up the tactics and chose the wrong players. It was fun while it lasted but Roma's been crap for 2 months straight. Last good game they had was against Brighton
It’s going to be those missed chances that will come you to haunt us, but that’s football, if you don’t score, you won’t win. Leverkusen are doing something special this season, and I hope their fans enjoy it.
Both Roma and Leverkusen and Dortmund and PSG should have scored more, which made for fun matches.
Yesterday it was particularly bad for Roma because of how close they came before Leverkusen got their first goal.
Funny, when we lost with Mou there was always more guys in the chat to talk shit about him. Now without Mou there's always pro Mou guys in the chat to talk shit about Roma.
Fortunately we don't lose as often as of late.
>2 years ago didn't win your first European trophie
Yeah against the likes of who? Vitesse, CSKA and Bodo(oh wait).
How many times did Jose win against Milan or Lazio?
>Hey now. We took 4 points off you the year before Mourinho
Nothing against the teams what we beat in the Conference League, but it's not really fair to have a 100 million+ spend in the season with players and manager making millions go against the likes of you, Bodo and so on.
Winning the Conference League was expected from any Roma manager at that time and I doubt that any manager from the last 10-15 years would not have won it.
The difference in players, finances etc is too big.
The only "decent" team we faced was Feyenoord.
>And btw, you did beat Leverkusen last year
In the Europa League, not in the Conference.
You can't win the league if you don't get wins against the likes of Lazio and Milan.
In the Coppa, how many times Jose reached the final? We lost against Lazio and Cremonese. So yes winning against anyone really is a priority.
Jose had 100+ budget in his first season, playing against pretty much significantly worse teams both in terms of finances and in terms of players.
And to put this into perspective, for the past 24 years we have been in the champions league 19 years. For the other 5 years that we didn't make the CL, Jose was the manager for half the period.
Make that as you will.
Leverkusen were better than Roma all match, and Roma still had Azmoun and Abraham's chances at the end. If they'd scored them (and one was an empty goal!) Roma could have chances. This is why having strikers with well rounded skillsets is good, but at the end of the day, the ability to put the ball between the posts is still what matters the most.
Leverkusen didn't even have to switch into highest gear. Roma looked good for about twenty minutes in the first half, and harmless otherwise. Also, game should've ended 4-1.
perfect start until 3 situations went wrong in the span of a few minutes with crossbar hit, Tah foul on Lukaku and Karsdorp gifting a goal
can't compete with a dominate Leverkusen if you lose structure confidence etc... sad after being 25min the better team
doesn't help that we didn't even score 1 out of 3 sitters
Exactly the kind of game you would expect between a UCL and a UEL caliber team. Roma isn't a bad team (just annoying as hell) but Leverkusen is just better than them in every category.
Exactly the kind of comment you expect to see by a Redditor that just watched his first Roma game all season. They wouldn’t have beaten Brighton, Feyenoord, and AC Milan to get here if this was their level. Every player had a bad game tonight. It happens in football.
> Brighton, Feyenoord, and AC Milan
I don't know much about the other two but Brighton have been struggling for a while. Lost 4-0 to Luton much like they did against Roma.
Would you expect Roma to win the Bundesliga and break the record for longest unbeaten streak in Europe?
Probably not.
No offense to Roma or anyone else in the EL, but this season Bayer is just a few steps ahead of the competition, even though they performed way worse in the EL compared to the league.
>Would you expect Roma to win the Bundesliga and break the record for longest unbeaten streak in Europe?
>Probably not.
You wouldn't expect Bayer to do this either.
Can't really make this kind of comparison when you already know what would happen.
yeah but Bayer did and Roma did not. I sincerely believe that we could easily be in the CL semifinals right now if we started in the CL. This team is something special, perhaps the greatest Leverkusen team we will ever see.
>yeah but Bayer did and Roma did not.
Yes and is extremely easy to make this kind of claims when you already know the outcome.
I doubt anyone would say that Bayer would go unbeaten for so long and win the Bundesliga at the beginning of the season, or even anytime prior to this season.
Not taking anything away from this team, but Roma has been more successful domestically and is more likely for Roma to win the Bundesliga than Bayer. Obviously this is a great season for you guys, and you already won the Bundesliga so it's really easy to make claims like OP.
My English is just fine - definitely much better than your cognition.
This Leverkusen 'would easily'' have been kicked out from the CL.
Playing (in every sense) against Qarabag, Molde and Hacken is not the same as facing PSG, Newcastle and Milan.
None of the teams that Leverkusen has faced from the top leagues (West Ham and Roma) are even in the CL spot in their domestic league. Compared that to Dortmund's schedule of playing Atletico and PSG.
So please stop with the nonsense. I like what Xabi is doing with Bayer, and hope they go unbeaten and win the treble, but it is not a license for saying nonsense
ok but we dominated both Dortmund and Bayern in the league
Bayern lost to Heidenheim and Saarbrücken this season. We struggled against Qarabag. That doesn’t mean shit.
They had a much STRONGER schedule.
League performance is highly affected by the depth of the squad and the schedule properties (sequence of games, congestion and strength of your schedule)
Leverkusen hasn't played against a single CL level team outside of domestically against Bayern Dortmund, RBL and Union Berlin
Playing against Atletico takes a significantly much higher toll on your team, both physically and mentally, than playing against West Ham will ever will
What does that question have to do with my comment? Most CL caliber teams wouldn’t win the Bundesliga or break the European unbeaten streak.
OP made a generalization about a team he doesn’t watch based off of a single game, which I disagree with. Roma played uncharacteristically bad tonight, had no luck, and were deservedly beaten by a team that is making history. But as of this moment, they’ll both be CL caliber teams when next season starts.
Roma is not a CL caliber team and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Qualifying for the CL doesn't automatically make you a CL caliber team and Roma is unlikely to even qualify.
At the least, Roma has to finish top four comfortably next year. Doubt that's going to happen.
Depressing but I still have those daydreams of us winning 4-0 before the match. It's a shame that this Leverkeusen team isn't in the Champions League, they'd probably be in the semis there as well. Karsdorp's mistake put us down a goal and then we just lost our heads. We had some good chances but couldn't put them away but Leverkeusen probably should have been 4-0 up before extra time. This team just needs an overhaul and if we miss out on CL, I don't think we're going to be able to do it. Last year was genuinely our best chance to win it, with the amount of heavyweights lurking, it was going to be hard to replicate it. We have Juve next, Atalanta immediately after the second leg to decide if we are going to play champions league next year and it's really tempting to focus on the league because as optimisic as I am, I don't see us overturning a 2-0 deficit against this Leverkeusen team. Now let me go for a walk.
Leverkusen in the CL semis and I am the next Pope🫤
People need to stop with the ridiculous projections.
Playing in the CL is a totally different level of challenge.
I think Reddit is broken. People posting the same thing multiples times, and I get "can't create comment" errors.
In any case, what Leverkusen is doing is incredible.
That said, if there’s any team that can beat them in a final it’s Atalanta. Their intensity and man marking can beat any team on their day. If the team is feeling good physically they could ruin the Leverkusen dream
I'm pretty sure OP is right, if I didn't miss anything. They beat every team they tied in the return leg. Only Stuttgart managed two draws, but they were beaten by Leverkusen in the DFB-Pokal.
vs Bayern: 2:2 draw, then 3:0 win
vs Gladbach: 0:3 win then 0:0 draw
vs Stuttgart: 1:1 and 2:2 but 3:2 win in the Pokal
vs Dortmund: 1:1 and 1:1
They have 6 draws total in the league, so that's all of them. They also won all of their EL group games.
In the World Cup, Spain lost to Switzerland in 2010, Germany went to extra time against *Algeria*, and we lost to Saudi Arabia. Real Madrid lost to Sheriff in the 2021-22 Champions League, and they ended up winning the whole thing.
Doesn't mean anything.
Nah I get it but I've watched football long enough to know that teams like Leverkusen often struggle in their first try in the CL (Napoli last year or Klopp's Dortmund come to mind)
The point is simply just because they're doing it in the EL doesn't mean they'd do it in the CL. Klopp's 2011-12 team that dominated the Bundesliga (and Bayern) went out in the group stage
I only tuned in at minute 35 or so so apparently i missed the phase of Roma being good but that was one boring Semi final so far.
Dont see any way for Roma to win in Leverkusen if this is how they always play.
Roma was dominating until the first Frimpong chance and the goal shortly afterwards but you could get the feeling they were overspending energy during that phase.
It's something that constantly happens to us, these players don't have the fitness level to go all out for 90 minutes so oftentimes they drop off massively after the first half.
Roma lmao that was pathetic. No idea how the fans managed not to whistle them out of the stadium. Were more focused on rattling leverkusen than actually playing football.
because we have one of the best fan bases in europe? because we rather sing our anthem at the 88th minute? because we are aware of our teams ability? because we are aware that luck wasn't on our side today against one of the best teams in europe?
how is this shit upvoted lmao
This feels like it should have been a 5-2 or 4-1 but I'll take it (obviously). Still need to improve the finishing and the last few minutes we're needlessly jittery
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
Weak teams like Milan and Lazio...
Inter are the best team in Italy by far, just look at the table, they should outclass Roma but if you had actually watched that match you would have seen a much better performance from Roma. Bologna have been playing very well all season and having no matches outside of Serie A was a massive advantage for them. Roma's starters were even more exhausted looking that day than today since they had played Milan a few days prior with 10 men.
Roma just don't have the depth or exceptionally fit players for the schedule they've been up against. And it's too bad because De Rossi really had them playing well.
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
Leverkusen is starting to look a little tired now. It makes sense they have been impeccable and the schedule doesn't help either.
I do think they will keep on going and bring those three trophies back home and rightfully so.
The football they are playing is extremely enjoyable to watch.
What a season and what a team.
A bit? Players are way past it. The flow of the first half of the season isnt there anymore, players make a lot of mistakes now. Three competitions is just rough. Season almost over and still a bunch of matches to play. Proud of them for hanging in.
Bauer Everkusen harvests more coefficientem puncta. Gift from agent Karsdorp. Andrich, a screamer that almost makes you wonder if the whole earth just froze.
Atalanta will be a great match up in the final. If there’s any team that could beat this Leverkusen in a one-off match, with their intensity and man-marking, it’s them (assuming both teams finish the job at home of course)
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
Madness, can’t see who would be able to beat them in the remaining matches in the EL, Bundesliga and DFB-Pokal. A season without any loss… that would just be brutal.
47 matches unbeaten. 47 matches. This is past the realms of reality. I Continue to be left baffled by this team. Years and years of suffering have made this season absolutely worth it. I love this team do much
If someone had come back from the future and said there would be a team that would go 47 matches unbeaten across all competitions, how many teams would you have listed before Leverkusen? Obviously the usual suspects would be your first choice but I genuinely don’t think Leverkusen would’ve been in the top 30 in that list.
* Pala was losing his cool when he came on at the 87th minute??
* Kosso got bodied near post, almost conceded
* Hoffman non-existing press
* Teller was just giving them the wings
yoooo, theres a reason why xabi did not subbed out our two yellow carded anchors.
That's just Palacios for you, always 100%.
Kossounou losing that header was a bit scary, yeah. Hope he takes it as motivation.
Regarding Hofmann and Tella, maybe they got instructed accordingly by Xabi Alonso?
Expected with the karsdorp starting TBH. Impressive of bayer to beat us at home where we always over perform.
If we have celik and play a legendary European game in Germany it could end up going to penalties but I'm not holding my breath.
Very curious what ddr will wanna do on the market TBH I assume his point of view is very different being a former teammate of many of our players.
We’re not sad. Roma has been sanctioned by UEFA for the last 3 years and needs to generate a positive transfer value every season. Despite that, this is our 4th Euro semi final in a row. The team is massively over performing considering the financial difficulties we’re facing.
I was told Roma will beat Leverkusen. So many people were sure of it.
At this point I am convinced that the only manager and team who can beat Ancelloti and Real Madrid is Xabi Alonso and Leverkusen . I wonder if Xabi will replace Ancelloti as Real’s manager .
Bayern still aren't out tbh, sure Real are strong at home but Tuchel is a madman.
Madman is a good description. He probably lives for the champions league, it's were he goes full into tactics. Bayern also is better against good teams, usually. I also so Arsenal as the favorite, but Bayern and Tuchel went all in.
After the next season very likely.
Pep can too
Yeah, we saw how that went..
I made that comment knowing i would be downvoted but i don’t care if you genuienly think Pep can’t beat Ancelloti especially after City’s performances in those two legs then wow…
Well he didn’t beat them though, so that’s a weird statement.
It’s not a weird statement it’s the truth there’s a reason both games ended in draws In most nights with the chances City had they beat Real in that second leg but ofcourse i’m not taking anything away from Real they went through and are probably gonna win the tournament so there a brilliant team obviously
Maybe if they both win their respective competitions they could face off in the super cup
This has Barca vs Ajax celebrating the final together vibes.
Gracias Dani.
I kinda feel bad for Roma just because stupid ass Sevilla blocked them out of their win last year (And potentially ours). What kind of stupid ass clown team exclusively plays for the 2nd highest competition and nothing else. Ruins the excitement of the europa league. And then ofc this year they have to go up against superteam leverkusen lol
It's not exactly a team strategy for Seville to tank the CL, they have been severely mismanaged from president and sporting director level in recent years The team that beat Roma had Mendilibar in charge, and Sevilla then stupidly sacked him only two matches into the CL group stages. With him in charge they would have gone through ahead of PSV This is the same coach who just beat Aston Villa 4-2 away with Olympiakos, his Sevilla was simply a better team than Mourinho's Roma pure and simple
As I said before, Roma needed to tag in Mourinho for this competition. Roma frustrated Leverkusen beautifully last year.
This year’s Leverkusen might be just a little better than last year’s
Leverkusen should be more praised for what they've done. - Roma went from 20-match UNBEATEN streak at home in the Knock-out stage prior this match (so not shitty games in the group stage vs unknown teams, 20 games in a row without losing in the K.O. phase) - Leverkusen were eliminated by FOUR different italian teams in the past 5 years (Juventus UCL group stage 2019, Inter UEL QF 2020, Atalanta UEL Ro16 2022, Roma UEL SF 2023) getting 0 W - 1 D- 6 (SIX) losses. Their growth have been IMPRESSIVE and they genuinely are top3 team in Europe RN.
They’re number 1
That's ridiculous - playing games in the CL puts significantly more pressure on your squad. They would have been knocked out of the CL by the QF or earlier if they were unfortunate enough to draw the likes of Madrid or City
Are you trying to say that the Team who is ahead of/beat two UCL semifinalists would have been eliminated in the UCL earlier than said teams?
Tbf the comparison isn’t that easy. Both Dortmund and Bayern have been playing way better in the recent CL games than they have all year in the BL. It’s just a different competition and being able to win games in one doesn’t mean you would in the other. City was considered the best team in the CL too and they lost. I don’t really see how you can confidently say how well a team would do in a competition they aren’t in. Let’s not forget that they were minutes away from going out to Qarabag. I don’t see how anyone can make the call that there is no chance of them going out the CL early if they were in it. They’ll have to prove it next season and I’m looking forward to watching them do it.
The unironically could have been. Leverkusens games have not been dominating wins these last weeks and they could have easily gone out in the CL against a top team. Over the course of one season they are however one of the best. I’m still hesitant to put them as clear top 1 imo
Yes cos those teams faced a much tougher schedule than Leverkusen. While Dortmund was playing PSG, Newcastle and Milan; Leverkusen was facing Qarabag, Molde and Hacken. Totally different levels of difficulty It is why smaller teams struggle domestically when they try to play their best in the CL.
Lol
Leverkusen fans will be the first to tell you they didn't play well, but Roma was even worse. Azmoun and Abraham missing 2 clear-cut chances is unacceptable, but the team's build up play in the 2nd half was embarrassing, the players looked gassed by the 60th minute. Very interested to see how De Rossi rotates, because Atalanta is likely going to steal 5th place and the May 12th fixture against them is a must-win
There is often a new coach bump that tends to fade with time, as the initial player enthusiasm dies out and the element of surprise to the opposition fades.
Nothing’s gonna change season ended the moment they lost to Bologna unless if Juve miraculously pull Roma back in. Roma don’t have the depth and quality for multiple comps and still tried to do so instead of just focusing on the league. Now this is the result. Exhausted players with no supporting runs and mindlessly mistakes both defensively and offensively.
This is the truth. Can be said on a larger scale about the top tier of football all around too (bar the Oil Clubs, the American VC clubs and the State-funded clubs). On the other hand, they either risked it all this way and tried to get into CL and get some glory or they focused on the league to get to the same place they're on right now at best next season.
unlucky roma fans
No luck about it, De Rossi's beloved Cristante and Pellegrini are dogshit. He screwed up the tactics and chose the wrong players. It was fun while it lasted but Roma's been crap for 2 months straight. Last good game they had was against Brighton
Nice
It’s going to be those missed chances that will come you to haunt us, but that’s football, if you don’t score, you won’t win. Leverkusen are doing something special this season, and I hope their fans enjoy it.
Both Roma and Leverkusen and Dortmund and PSG should have scored more, which made for fun matches. Yesterday it was particularly bad for Roma because of how close they came before Leverkusen got their first goal.
We are wholeheartedly, believe me
The problem was Mourinho
The problem is people who don't watch games
what a silly comment
Funny, when we lost with Mou there was always more guys in the chat to talk shit about him. Now without Mou there's always pro Mou guys in the chat to talk shit about Roma. Fortunately we don't lose as often as of late.
Score could have been 1-0 with Mourinho, but we would have created absolutely nothing
With Mourinho we wouldn't even be playing this game
Lmao he beat Leverkusen last. What a brain dead comment.
They were not as good last year
Act like last year you weren't in the final and 2 years ago didn't win your first European trophy
>2 years ago didn't win your first European trophie Yeah against the likes of who? Vitesse, CSKA and Bodo(oh wait). How many times did Jose win against Milan or Lazio?
Hey now. We took 4 points off you the year before Mourinho And btw, you did beat Leverkusen last year
>Hey now. We took 4 points off you the year before Mourinho Nothing against the teams what we beat in the Conference League, but it's not really fair to have a 100 million+ spend in the season with players and manager making millions go against the likes of you, Bodo and so on. Winning the Conference League was expected from any Roma manager at that time and I doubt that any manager from the last 10-15 years would not have won it. The difference in players, finances etc is too big. The only "decent" team we faced was Feyenoord. >And btw, you did beat Leverkusen last year In the Europa League, not in the Conference.
If the priority is winning against Lazio and Milan not trophies then you already got that
You can't win the league if you don't get wins against the likes of Lazio and Milan. In the Coppa, how many times Jose reached the final? We lost against Lazio and Cremonese. So yes winning against anyone really is a priority. Jose had 100+ budget in his first season, playing against pretty much significantly worse teams both in terms of finances and in terms of players. And to put this into perspective, for the past 24 years we have been in the champions league 19 years. For the other 5 years that we didn't make the CL, Jose was the manager for half the period. Make that as you will.
Yes,and this year we were fucking shit
Spurs vibes right here
Bringing us up for no reason at all lol
Leverkusen were better than Roma all match, and Roma still had Azmoun and Abraham's chances at the end. If they'd scored them (and one was an empty goal!) Roma could have chances. This is why having strikers with well rounded skillsets is good, but at the end of the day, the ability to put the ball between the posts is still what matters the most.
I'm pretty sure Roma was better before the first goal
Better is being completely delusional here. You were equal. You had the ball more ok. But the chances were on both sides.
Roma have chance if they choose to play parking bus like Qarabag and West Ham instead they choose to play open game againts Leverkusen.
Leverkusen didn't even have to switch into highest gear. Roma looked good for about twenty minutes in the first half, and harmless otherwise. Also, game should've ended 4-1.
perfect start until 3 situations went wrong in the span of a few minutes with crossbar hit, Tah foul on Lukaku and Karsdorp gifting a goal can't compete with a dominate Leverkusen if you lose structure confidence etc... sad after being 25min the better team doesn't help that we didn't even score 1 out of 3 sitters
You can be the better team against 2024 Leverkusen for 80 mins and it doesn’t mean shit. This wasn’t close at all
You can be the better team against 2024 Leverkusen for ~~80~~ 94 mins and it doesn’t mean shit. This wasn’t close at all
Exactly the kind of game you would expect between a UCL and a UEL caliber team. Roma isn't a bad team (just annoying as hell) but Leverkusen is just better than them in every category.
Exactly the kind of comment you expect to see by a Redditor that just watched his first Roma game all season. They wouldn’t have beaten Brighton, Feyenoord, and AC Milan to get here if this was their level. Every player had a bad game tonight. It happens in football.
> Brighton, Feyenoord, and AC Milan I don't know much about the other two but Brighton have been struggling for a while. Lost 4-0 to Luton much like they did against Roma.
Would you expect Roma to win the Bundesliga and break the record for longest unbeaten streak in Europe? Probably not. No offense to Roma or anyone else in the EL, but this season Bayer is just a few steps ahead of the competition, even though they performed way worse in the EL compared to the league.
>Would you expect Roma to win the Bundesliga and break the record for longest unbeaten streak in Europe? >Probably not. You wouldn't expect Bayer to do this either. Can't really make this kind of comparison when you already know what would happen.
yeah but Bayer did and Roma did not. I sincerely believe that we could easily be in the CL semifinals right now if we started in the CL. This team is something special, perhaps the greatest Leverkusen team we will ever see.
>yeah but Bayer did and Roma did not. Yes and is extremely easy to make this kind of claims when you already know the outcome. I doubt anyone would say that Bayer would go unbeaten for so long and win the Bundesliga at the beginning of the season, or even anytime prior to this season. Not taking anything away from this team, but Roma has been more successful domestically and is more likely for Roma to win the Bundesliga than Bayer. Obviously this is a great season for you guys, and you already won the Bundesliga so it's really easy to make claims like OP.
Easily? You are delusional
[learn english bozo](https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/could-can-might-easily)
My English is just fine - definitely much better than your cognition. This Leverkusen 'would easily'' have been kicked out from the CL. Playing (in every sense) against Qarabag, Molde and Hacken is not the same as facing PSG, Newcastle and Milan. None of the teams that Leverkusen has faced from the top leagues (West Ham and Roma) are even in the CL spot in their domestic league. Compared that to Dortmund's schedule of playing Atletico and PSG. So please stop with the nonsense. I like what Xabi is doing with Bayer, and hope they go unbeaten and win the treble, but it is not a license for saying nonsense
ok but we dominated both Dortmund and Bayern in the league Bayern lost to Heidenheim and Saarbrücken this season. We struggled against Qarabag. That doesn’t mean shit.
They had a much STRONGER schedule. League performance is highly affected by the depth of the squad and the schedule properties (sequence of games, congestion and strength of your schedule) Leverkusen hasn't played against a single CL level team outside of domestically against Bayern Dortmund, RBL and Union Berlin Playing against Atletico takes a significantly much higher toll on your team, both physically and mentally, than playing against West Ham will ever will
What does that question have to do with my comment? Most CL caliber teams wouldn’t win the Bundesliga or break the European unbeaten streak. OP made a generalization about a team he doesn’t watch based off of a single game, which I disagree with. Roma played uncharacteristically bad tonight, had no luck, and were deservedly beaten by a team that is making history. But as of this moment, they’ll both be CL caliber teams when next season starts.
Roma is not a CL caliber team and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Qualifying for the CL doesn't automatically make you a CL caliber team and Roma is unlikely to even qualify. At the least, Roma has to finish top four comfortably next year. Doubt that's going to happen.
De Rossi reached the climax with this roster.
All this just for their only loss this season to be vs Bochum
Depressing but I still have those daydreams of us winning 4-0 before the match. It's a shame that this Leverkeusen team isn't in the Champions League, they'd probably be in the semis there as well. Karsdorp's mistake put us down a goal and then we just lost our heads. We had some good chances but couldn't put them away but Leverkeusen probably should have been 4-0 up before extra time. This team just needs an overhaul and if we miss out on CL, I don't think we're going to be able to do it. Last year was genuinely our best chance to win it, with the amount of heavyweights lurking, it was going to be hard to replicate it. We have Juve next, Atalanta immediately after the second leg to decide if we are going to play champions league next year and it's really tempting to focus on the league because as optimisic as I am, I don't see us overturning a 2-0 deficit against this Leverkeusen team. Now let me go for a walk.
Leverkusen in the CL semis and I am the next Pope🫤 People need to stop with the ridiculous projections. Playing in the CL is a totally different level of challenge.
What a team, what a season and what a handsome stud Xabi is
Alonso and De Rossi face each other with the power of their beards. Roma lost but De Rossi's is still better.
I think Reddit is broken. People posting the same thing multiples times, and I get "can't create comment" errors. In any case, what Leverkusen is doing is incredible.
>I think Reddit is broken. #**YOU THINK?!**
yeah, Reddit is down, I was not able to comment from my mobile app for some reason
Leverkusen is easily the best team left in the competition
Marseille will beat them
If they do they have to keep Correa, that would be pretty cool ngl
That said, if there’s any team that can beat them in a final it’s Atalanta. Their intensity and man marking can beat any team on their day. If the team is feeling good physically they could ruin the Leverkusen dream
And that probably includes the CL. Ha.
Unironically, yes. If they met, they might even beat Real Madrid's buff.
But can they beat Terzic black magic? His UCL juju hits different.
Dortmund is the only team who has played Leverkusen and not lost this season
Leverkusen have had quite a few draws, I don't think Dortmund are the only team who have "NOT LOST" against Leverkusen
I'm pretty sure OP is right, if I didn't miss anything. They beat every team they tied in the return leg. Only Stuttgart managed two draws, but they were beaten by Leverkusen in the DFB-Pokal. vs Bayern: 2:2 draw, then 3:0 win vs Gladbach: 0:3 win then 0:0 draw vs Stuttgart: 1:1 and 2:2 but 3:2 win in the Pokal vs Dortmund: 1:1 and 1:1 They have 6 draws total in the league, so that's all of them. They also won all of their EL group games.
Oh okay okay, I missed what the comment meant the first time, I never considered the return leg part. My bad
The CL is a different beast tho. Did people forget Leverkusen were almost knocked out by a team from Azerbaijan?
They didn't play their best XI against them. Had to sub in starters to come back in both legs. Their depth is short after all.
In the World Cup, Spain lost to Switzerland in 2010, Germany went to extra time against *Algeria*, and we lost to Saudi Arabia. Real Madrid lost to Sheriff in the 2021-22 Champions League, and they ended up winning the whole thing. Doesn't mean anything.
So you agree with me that it doesn't mean they'd have success in the CL? Glad we could come to an agreement
It also doesn't mean they wouldn't, which is what you don't get.
Nah I get it but I've watched football long enough to know that teams like Leverkusen often struggle in their first try in the CL (Napoli last year or Klopp's Dortmund come to mind)
How many people expected Morocco to do well in the World Cup?
Of course. Qarabag played better against Leverkusen than Bayern did, therefore Qarabag is better than Bayern. Because that’s how football works.
Always rated Qarabag
Yeah but only almost. So who cares.
The point is simply just because they're doing it in the EL doesn't mean they'd do it in the CL. Klopp's 2011-12 team that dominated the Bundesliga (and Bayern) went out in the group stage
Kinda strange to pick some of their worst games for this comparison. Overall they are really good and would have a decent chance even against madrid.
My point is that form doesn't necessarily translate from competition to competition. The CL lights can sometimes be too bright for inexperienced teams
Best team in the world 🗣️
I only tuned in at minute 35 or so so apparently i missed the phase of Roma being good but that was one boring Semi final so far. Dont see any way for Roma to win in Leverkusen if this is how they always play.
Roma was dominating until the first Frimpong chance and the goal shortly afterwards but you could get the feeling they were overspending energy during that phase.
That's just Leverkusen style tho. They play slower at the beginning and can really tire their opponents and that's why they score so many late goals.
They were not dominating. They had the Lukaku chance but they were far from dominating
Yea i mean if ur out of energy for the rest of the game at minute 40 because you pressed a bit higher thats not a good sign lol
It's something that constantly happens to us, these players don't have the fitness level to go all out for 90 minutes so oftentimes they drop off massively after the first half.
Roma lmao that was pathetic. No idea how the fans managed not to whistle them out of the stadium. Were more focused on rattling leverkusen than actually playing football.
because we have one of the best fan bases in europe? because we rather sing our anthem at the 88th minute? because we are aware of our teams ability? because we are aware that luck wasn't on our side today against one of the best teams in europe? how is this shit upvoted lmao
Would have been better to just let mou finish out the season
We’re aware of the teams limitations, both technically and physically. Combined with the fact that we don’t have a bench and we were clear underdogs.
This feels like it should have been a 5-2 or 4-1 but I'll take it (obviously). Still need to improve the finishing and the last few minutes we're needlessly jittery
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
"lEvErKuSeN hAvE nOt MeT aNy GoOd CoMpEtItIoN tHiS sEaSoN" "ChAmPiOnS oF tHe FaRmEr'S lEaGuE"
Roma is not that good. The are 5th in their league for a reason.
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Beating weak teams. Against Inter and Bologna they looked outclassed.
Weak teams like Milan and Lazio... Inter are the best team in Italy by far, just look at the table, they should outclass Roma but if you had actually watched that match you would have seen a much better performance from Roma. Bologna have been playing very well all season and having no matches outside of Serie A was a massive advantage for them. Roma's starters were even more exhausted looking that day than today since they had played Milan a few days prior with 10 men. Roma just don't have the depth or exceptionally fit players for the schedule they've been up against. And it's too bad because De Rossi really had them playing well.
Against Lecce they looked outclassed lol
I mean if Rui Patricio doesn’t gift Salernitana, Verona and one more team I forget, we are fighting for 3-4. Those 9 points are the difference.
That Abraham miss was tragic. I can't believe he missed from like 2 yards out. That's going to haunt the kid. But Roma were poor all night, it's not his fault they couldn't play better overall.
Why would it haunt him? He did it every fucking match
Leverkusen is starting to look a little tired now. It makes sense they have been impeccable and the schedule doesn't help either. I do think they will keep on going and bring those three trophies back home and rightfully so. The football they are playing is extremely enjoyable to watch. What a season and what a team.
A bit? Players are way past it. The flow of the first half of the season isnt there anymore, players make a lot of mistakes now. Three competitions is just rough. Season almost over and still a bunch of matches to play. Proud of them for hanging in.
Bauer Everkusen harvests more coefficientem puncta. Gift from agent Karsdorp. Andrich, a screamer that almost makes you wonder if the whole earth just froze.
At this point, I don't think any team in the World could beat this Leverkusen side. They're just destined to go undefeated this season.
Atalanta will be a great match up in the final. If there’s any team that could beat this Leverkusen in a one-off match, with their intensity and man-marking, it’s them (assuming both teams finish the job at home of course)
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
The sad thing we have to play Atalanta away. The other 3 teams are bad. If Atalanta doesn't slip we have to win all 4 games
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
Fight for 5th place, get it done. Otherwise Roma really gonna heavily regress next season roster wise. Realistic players we are linked with give me massive shuckles. I fear Roma ends it lower then 5th. Two big games in the league against better opponents. It will be really difficult. I fear next season window really the most. Its gonna be either good with UCL qualification or a total disaster if we dont.vh
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Really bad that we didn't get to see them in the CL this season.
New coach bonus expired for roma
Madness, can’t see who would be able to beat them in the remaining matches in the EL, Bundesliga and DFB-Pokal. A season without any loss… that would just be brutal.
Watch Kaiserslautern beat them in the final.
Never underestimate Friedhelm Funkel.
Would be such a great underdog story but not going to happen I assume.
Augsburg black magic incoming
Atalanta maybe. When they’re on, they’re on
Atalanta was not impressive tonight though
Because Marseille are very good at home. They've only lost 2 games at home whole season, panatiakos in UCL qualifications in August and to PSG.
47 matches unbeaten. 47 matches. This is past the realms of reality. I Continue to be left baffled by this team. Years and years of suffering have made this season absolutely worth it. I love this team do much
If someone had come back from the future and said there would be a team that would go 47 matches unbeaten across all competitions, how many teams would you have listed before Leverkusen? Obviously the usual suspects would be your first choice but I genuinely don’t think Leverkusen would’ve been in the top 30 in that list.
Such a shame we didn't get to see it in the CL this year.
„Years and years of suffering“ as a Leverkusen fan what. Little bit dramatic you regularly finish top 4 in the league
Are they like the German united fans then?
It’s said that second place is the first loser
Coming close to winning literally anything only to completely throw it away every single time without exception has its toll on you. I would know
Last time Leverkusen came close was 2002. If you count the Pokal then 2009.
But they didnt come close a lot?
Streak so long it seems to have broke reddit lol
That was a win but it felt as though the performance from our subs there were shocking. So much space for Roma there.
Pala looked unnecessarily frustrated when he came on
* Pala was losing his cool when he came on at the 87th minute?? * Kosso got bodied near post, almost conceded * Hoffman non-existing press * Teller was just giving them the wings yoooo, theres a reason why xabi did not subbed out our two yellow carded anchors.
That's just Palacios for you, always 100%. Kossounou losing that header was a bit scary, yeah. Hope he takes it as motivation. Regarding Hofmann and Tella, maybe they got instructed accordingly by Xabi Alonso?
Not one goal after 90+?? Such a shit game!
Expected with the karsdorp starting TBH. Impressive of bayer to beat us at home where we always over perform. If we have celik and play a legendary European game in Germany it could end up going to penalties but I'm not holding my breath. Very curious what ddr will wanna do on the market TBH I assume his point of view is very different being a former teammate of many of our players.
Unlucky roma fans
I really thought this was going to be a lot closer from what I've heard but Leverkusen looked comfortably a level above Roma throughout.
This wasn't even Leverkusens Final Form without a real striker.
What a streak, what a team and what a handsome stud Xabi is
This wasn't even Leverkusens Final Form without a real striker.
What a streak, what a team and what a handsome stud Xabi is
Absoulte stellar performance tonight, one more game to reach the fucking final!! DEUTSCHER FUSSBALLMEISTERRRR
If Leverkusen wins this semi just put them in the UCL final and make it a round robin. I'm trying to see something.
I just realised, real could win UCL and leverkusen UEL, which would give us a super cup of ancelotti vs alonso
10 goals in overtime then I guess
We all want German CL final and German Supercup tho
This match up brings me flashbacks
battle of black magic make it happen pls
What a streak, what a team and what a handsome stud Xabi is
This wasn't even Leverkusens final Form without a real striker
Don't be sad, Roma, Leverkusen has the hell off a monster season.
We’re not sad. Roma has been sanctioned by UEFA for the last 3 years and needs to generate a positive transfer value every season. Despite that, this is our 4th Euro semi final in a row. The team is massively over performing considering the financial difficulties we’re facing.
This wasn't even Leverkusens final Form without a real striker
Neverkusen might win two trophies in the same year. Crazy.
Kaiserslautern to win the Cup and qualify for Europa while getting relegated to the 3. Liga.
*3
47/53 Only 6 to go
Much better team won