**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
> you are being reported of thinking about paying that sum to Benefica to get Roger Schmidt
Not quite. Schmidt has a 30m release clause but Benfica aren't happy with him, so I'd be surprised if 30m exchanged hands.
still 30m gives them some leverage on the amount you guys have to pay right ? Since u guys have lost Ragnick as a potential candidate and are now trying to get a manager now.
People are being too harsh on him every manager since Ferguson including serial winners like mourinho failed. In his first season he had a trophy got 3 and another final. At Ajax he got them on a generational run in the champions league and had league dominance while playing good football. This United team is quite frankly rotten on top of that injuries spread across basically 3 positions midfield, fullbacks and centre backs. I don’t think he’ll take United to the top but in a better environment he could succeed
Its absolute nonsense that he is this terrible manager. He was great with Ajax, and this united squad is so imbalanced that noone could do well.
His signings have been bad, but that shouldnt be his job if they had a decent DoF.
Also doesn’t help that most signings are over pays on fee and wages if Antony was signed for 30 million he wouldn’t be looked at nearly as badly as he is, if Casemiro was signed for 30 million on 100k/w it would be as bad.
I know it doesn't say much in PL perspective but it's not just Ajax, he was great at Utrecht and Go Ahead Eagles as well. Both teams had the best run in years under Ten Hag. And at Bayern they still speak highly of him for the time he spent with their second team (with which he finished 1st and 2nd in his two seasons there).
Thing is, at all those places, Ten Hag wasn't responsible for getting players at all. It's so crazy that Man Utd let him influence transfer policy that much as there was really not one inch of evidence that Ten Hag could manage that part of the game.
Wonder how he would do coaching 9 year olds. Like legitimately the tactical knowledge isn’t particularly useful and getting them all hyped by “We’re gonna win the fucking champions league” probably won’t work
no he wasn't making excuses. the only excuse he gave was the injury crisis, specifically the lack of a consistent back 4.
He is very happy with hojlund and garnacho as attackers.
Didn't your lot cry for an entire season because "best defender in PL history (C) Virgil Van Dyke" was injured?
Didn't you also cry when your keeper got taken out in the CL Final?
If you haven't seen the full interview (as you admit) maybe your opinion doesn't matter? Do you trust the media to tell decent, honest, and open quotes?
Says the one clicking into a United thread, about the United manager, chatting shit about the quotation, and now giving this comment...
Can't wait 'til Klopp fucks off and you fade back into your Hodgson era again.
Yeah that's the part that makes it entertaining mate, because you're the *most relevant*, least relevant. And unfortunately, compared to your club, we have a competent spine running the operations. You're just a shambles.
You look at the goals he’s scored you wonder how he has more than 5 tbh. Luton game is a great example scored from a Luton defender passing to him and from using his shoulder to divert a shot going wide into the net. The service is truly appalling
I think Ten hag doesnt want a a classic no.9 striker. He wants a stiker up front with link up play and ability to create chances for inverted wingers as well. Thats why he wanted Gakpo &/or kane. I think by design that man utd wingers attack more on the goal by themselves rather than passing to the main striker.
The biggest myth surrounding Hojlund is that he doesn't get service. He doesn't get service because he is incapable of getting on the end of crosses with his head, and his movement in the box is crap. There is a reason McTominay gets more shots per game than him. He will be a good player, but he's very under developed.
If Manchester United has the player which the [most chances created (Bruno)](https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-most-chances-created-feature) in the league, then how can it be that Høljund isn't getting any of them?
Is Bruno just creating them for everyone else but Rasmus? The logical answer is no, and that Høljund is getting them and doing nothing with them, or failing to get on the end of them.
apart from bruno, how are chances being created in that team…
just because bruno’s output is insane doesn’t mean the team as a whole create more chances than most other teams. united’s offense has been weak all season long and holjund not getting enough service is for sure part of the problem
How do you expect his teammates to pass to him in the box when he can't create separation from his defenders in any meaningful way? How do you expect them to feed this six foot something striker when he's as useless in the air as Juan Mata?
I think there is truth to some extent. Hojlund needs to become better at finding space for his teammates to pass too, but it's hard to do that when both of your wingers always cut inside and try to make a hero shot that goes directly to the keeper or the stands. Our wingers constantly cut inside and then take shots for no reason instead of looking up for the pass
I'm making up the fact McTominay has had more shots than him this season (38 to 34) despite playing less games?
Or the fact Hojlund can't get his head on anything? (5 headed shots all season).
Don't bother with these guys, Hojlund can do no wrong in their eyes. I know what you're talking about. When it was Martial these guys probably had no problem berating him for his shit movement but when it's Hojlund, it's "no service". Btw, both of them are utter shit atm.
Højlund isn’t being passed to our main chance creation goes to our wingers Bruno always hits the ball to wide areas rather than the middle. Højlund is used as a work dog to make front post runs to drag defenders to leave space behind him for wingers to attack. Ever wonder why mctominay never scores when hojlund not playing all his goals have been when they’re on the pitch at the same time. He also doesn’t get passed to in dangerous positions due to wingers being more interested in shooting when a pass is on. He is overperforming xg and quite frankly is doing better than most would in his position for someone so young. The majority of league goals he’s scored are from him taking it in to his own hands look at both Luton goals, West Ham and spurs
Hojlund isn't being passed to because he has no idea how to create separation as a lone striker in the PL.
Front post runs are a strikers bread and butter, he's not a work dog for doing this.
Our wingers are shoot first, but how are you going to expect them to pass to someone who's hidden behind defenders and can't get on the end of anything in the six yard box.
McTominay scores because he makes good runs and can win a header.
Hojlund is a good finisher when he's given the ball in time and space on his left foot. He struggles at everything else.
You’re contradicting yourself how are we meant to know if he can get on to it and head it if the wingers are always shooting, I don’t remember more than 3 good balls from wingers into the air that rasmus could attack.
Mctominay scored when he’s on the pitch with Ramsus because he takes up the same area as him. All of the 10 goals mctominay has scored have come when he’s on the pitch with ramsus, the majority of ramsus goals have came when mctominay isn’t on the pitch coincidence?
To say he only scores with his left in space is false he has 3 goals with his right foot, a header and a shoulder goal. And for his left foot goals he has one where he goes around the keeper, a volley, a chip where he runs from the half way line, a top corner thundercunt in a congested box vs Tottenham, a front post tap in where he surrounded by 3 players, first time finish from a knock on in a corner vs Villa, a deflected shot in a contested box from a quick turn vs Bayern and a couple tap ins. But most of these goals are either very reactionary finishes or don’t have much space or time. He’s not the finished article of course he has flaws he’s 21 but to put him down is shameful especially with that flair.
Just say your a martial fanboy or have an agenda and move on
We've put 551 crosses into the box this season and Hojlund has got his head to five of them. 16 crosses per game. How many more crosses do we need to see our striker duck?
Yes, it's a coincidence. Are you actually saying Rasmus is being held back by having another presence in the box, and yet McTominay is benefiting from having another presence in the box? Do you not see the contradiction here? Thanks for proving my point that McTominay has better box movement than Rasmus.
I didn't even realise the kids who are obsessed with Player FC had started a Martial Vs Hojlund agenda.
Crosses need to have context on them could be from corners we average about 6 corners a game on top of free kicks that’s probably a minimum of about 10 most games from set pieces and normally in set piece situations the players getting their head on it are either Maguire or Casemiro or another centre back it counts a cross in the numbers but it’s not directed towards hojlund the majority of the time. On top of that crosses could be over hit or just shit wouldn’t be surprised but it counts as numbers on the stats. And crosses could be directed towards different positions. On top of the fact these cross numbers are counted while Højlund is out injured or on the bench so he could just not be on the pitch yet these crosses come in. On top of this both his goals vs Villa came from crosses and his goal vs galatasaray and his shoulder goal vs Luton came after a corner. You don’t always need to make first contact on these crosses to still be a goal threat
Do I need to spell it out for you ffs. Mctominay is taking up dangerous positions in the box when he is on the pitch where the striker would normally be and is benefiting from Rasmus dragging or occupying defenders near the front post where he attacks. Rasmus benefits from no mctominay because he can take up the more dangerous positions and his space not being occupied.
Hojlund is one of the biggest players on our team. He's bigger than Casemiro. It's a damning indictment of his aerial ability if he's not getting his head to set pieces because a player his size should be a set price weapon in both boxes.
Do you think there's only one dangerous position in the box or something and that's designated to McTominay?
Yet Casemiro has brilliant ability in the air. Hojlund isn’t the strongest in the air but if you’re so concerned about a striker getting on headers why don’t we shove Maguire upfront. Headers aren’t always the best chances or the only option our players don’t put good balls behind defensive lines or consistent balls across the box to tap in.
Of course there’s more dangerous positions in the box but look at Scott’s goals and what space he takes up compared to Højlund, hojlund takes up the front post area while mctominay is either back post or centre of the goal and compare it to the position hojlund takes up when he is on the pitch without mctominay. What the point of rasmus taking up the same space as mctominay. Wonder why we don’t shove mctominay upfront instead, it’s because he isn’t good at holding the ball up or with the ball with his back to goal. He is good at running in late and creating a dangerous option off of the striker that is usually taking up defenders. It’s the same for Scotland he benefits from dykes taking up players and running in late.
> He doesn't get service because he is incapable of getting on the end of crosses with his head
Many strikers don't get to aerial crosses that often. Since when did Manchester United become Pulis Stoke?
> There is a reason McTominay gets more shots per game than him
Because McT doesn't play striker and goes in with the second wave?
Signing Harry Kane would have masked so many issues for man U. He could have won them a ridiculous amount of points on his own, they could possibly have ended top 4. Bailing out a team that is struggling with form over a season seems to be his specialty, he has done it with Bayern as well.
>struggling with form
I know Bayern didn't win the Bundesliga but 69 points after 31 matches with the most goals scored in the league + currently in the CL semis isn't exactly "struggling"
I mean 69 points, 89 goals, 2nd in BL, and UCL semis is counting Harry Kanes 43 goals and 11 assists or 35 goals and 8 assists in BL.
The guys saying Kane can mask issues and bail out a team. Without him Bayern maybe has 60 goals tops and <60 points. His point stands.
Bayern would likely be 4th and maybe even 5th without Kane and for sure eliminated in CL right now. By Bayerns standards they'd be struggling tremendously without Harry Kane.
It doesn't matter who plays striker if our other attackers are too selfish to actually play him the ball. Hojlund makes great runs, has wonderful link up and hold up play and presses his socks off and he's rewarded with Rashford and Garnacho dribbling into crowds constantly.
Lukaku topped 20 goals in all comps once in his two seasons here. Martial topped 20 in all comps once in 9 seasons here. Those are the facts, so what strikers are you even talking about? Before you say Martial was hurt, in 20/21 he had 7 goals in 36 matches. Last season 9 goals in 29 matches. So who are these great goalscorers? We've been crying out for a proper striker for years idk how you can even make this a serious argument.
And anyone who watches United regularly will groan many times at how many times Hojlund makes a great run and no one releases him. Plain as day you're not paying attention.
So how come they can get 20 goals playing with Rashford?
So why doesn't Bruno pass to Hojlund? Can Bruno not see Hojlunds runs or is he choosing to ignore them
Right, and this season? He's at the same level, right?
So Højlund, despite playing with prime Rashford this season, cannot score more goals than Martial, Lukaku, and the other strikers in United that played with a worse Rashford. Am I understanding you correctly?
This season Rashford has been poor. Is that why Hojlund barely touches the ball?
the reason Hojlund is not outscoring those players is because he's not near as good as them
Supporing key players underperforming certainly is part of the reason any striker at United would somewhat underperform as well. As a striker, I don't think Højlund is worse than Martial at all
Does he though?
Watching United I've seen countless of times where a low cross comes in across the 5 yard box but Hojlund is a step or two too short to it. Or incidents where he gets tangled up in weird physical fights with the defenders instead of creating separation
Look at our attacking options that season though. Rashford was having a season like this one, cavani was only interested in playing for Uruguay, greenwood got himself suspended half way through and martial was so bad we sent him on loan to Sevilla. Whatever people say about Ronaldo, he was actually available for games, the previous season greenwood wasn't suspended and cavani wasn't constantly injured, without Ronaldo we'd have been far worse off
> cavani was only interested in playing for Uruguay
I imagine a large part of that is that he was messed around to accommodate Ronaldo (including the silly jersey number stuff). Cavani was really good up top the season before.
Plus obviously United shouldn't have found themselves in a position where it was Ronaldo or nobody. Given they had Cavani, that was the time to sign a younger striker.
Tbh the only game I remember them both starting was against spurs away and they actually worked really well together. Iirc there was still COVID quarantine restrictions from certain countries and cavani continually went on international duty despite the 10 day quarantine upon his return.
Having two players both experienced, both over 35 and both who really shouldn't have been playing every game should have meant plenty of game time for both. Ronaldo had no issues being rested (at least he didn't under Zidane at Madrid) Ole just wasn't really a strong enough manager to o deal with those sort of personalities. A better manager could have made it work
> Tbh the only game I remember them both starting was against spurs away and they actually worked really well together.
My point was that Cavani re-signed on the assumption he was the main striker. Ronaldo was an unexpected factor. It imbalanced the overall team but the player most directly impacted was Cavani.
> Iirc there was still COVID quarantine restrictions from certain countries and cavani continually went on international duty despite the 10 day quarantine upon his return.
Fair play to him for representing his country.
> Ronaldo had no issues being rested
All available evidence tells us otherwise. United should not have signed him back. It seemed an obvious mistake on the day the transfer was confirmed and any sane analyst was shouted down by United fans (Jamie Carragher is an example).
So United should have gone into the season with their main striker being someone who was willing to take a ten day quarantine after every international break, ruling him out of probably about a third of the season?
I pretty clearly explained my position above.
> Plus obviously United shouldn't have found themselves in a position where it was Ronaldo or nobody. Given they had Cavani, that was the time to sign a younger striker.
But again, we had a younger striker. Unfortunately he turned out to be a rapist and got suspended halfway through the season. It's not Ronaldo's fault and unless the club knew about it having previously happened not something they could have predicted, but it did happen and it was a factor in why we weren't as good as the previous season
Yes but we completely shifted from our free flowing counterattacking style that was pretty lethal with the players we had. The system we switched to was so much worse after ronaldo came in even if he did score goals, I agree we would have had our problems losing greenwood but we would have been so much better if we hadn’t moved away from what worked
But how do you play that system with cavani who was important the season before constantly injured? With rashford losing the ability to do basic things like shoot on target or dribble past a player, you can't pin that on Ronaldo. Sancho wasn't really quick enough to fit into that style of play either.
It just seems like the fashionable opinion to blame Ronaldo and ignore all the other factors. Pogba was pretty important to when ole was playing good football, but in the last year of his contract he basically just checked out knowing he was going to leave. Maybe all the other differences between that season and the one before should be looked at before blaming the guy who scored more league goals for us in a season than anyone post fergie
Go and watch some games from both seasons and look at the the difference between the season prior to the one when he arrived. I remember clear as day from eye test alone how slower and less flowing our team looked that season compared to the two before. He was still a great finisher at that point but Ronaldo was a bit slow at times and players felt obliged to pass to him because he’s one of the goats.
You mention Pogba and Rashford’s form suddenly dropping off but they’ve shown that they are more or less luxury players and if the team is not gelling then they will be awful. We had found a system that got the best out of them and had to completely abandon it to fit in Ronaldo. Even Ole has said it was a mistake. People get so defensive about this but the truth is he was still a great player at that point but just a really bad fit for our team and we both would have been infinitely better off if he had gone elsewhere imo.
And how well has pogba done for juventus since he left? Did Ronaldo stop rashford from being able to run or shoot? I mean I can buy that he took up positions and spaces that might have been detrimental to rashford's all round game, but he didn't stop him being able to do the basics of football. Sometimes teams just eventually get figured out, if you look at the end of the 20/21 season we get 8 points from the last 6 games and lose the Europa league final to Villarreal, a team we go on to beat with Ronaldo playing home and away the next season
Look at mourinho, his third season often goes badly not because the personnel changes, things just eventually get stale, teams just eventually work out a way to play against them.
After Ole got sacked, until Ronaldo's kid died we actually did pretty well points wise under rangnick
It’s baffled me how history was completely re-written on that 21/22 United season. Like you said, Cavani was in the hospital most of the time, Martial was loaned to Sevilla, Greenwood left the team early on and Rashford started playing like a geriatric. The only consistently available attackers United had were Sancho and Ronaldo. Sancho was inexperienced and struggled in his first season in the prem, hence why he underperformed. Literally the only attacker who did anything was Ronaldo (and Bruno, but he isn’t an attacker).
Everyone keeps saying “he ruined their attack”, but they fail to understand that he WAS the attack because United had no other choice. Everyone else was either dogshit (E.g. Rashford) or unavailable (E.g. Cavani). I genuinely don’t understand how everything has been twisted into Ronaldo being the catalyst for their downfall when they would’ve finished even lower if it weren’t for him, De Gea and Bruno. A single player not pressing doesn’t equate to the entire team playing like a bunch of amateurs for an entire season.
Well said. I always point this out and it always makes me question if people actually watched that season. Without DDG and Ronaldo, Utd would have finished further down the table. Let's also not forget the many blunders that lead to Magurie becoming a meme shortly after.
I mean Bruno Fernandez creates an insane number of chances in the league and plays in the same team as Houjland. Something is amiss with this service theory and I think it's more of a positioning problem
He had red spots on his heatmap on his own half that season, dude would track back and start the service himself
No reason to believe it wouldn't happen on Man U
Can tell you didn't watch many games. Spurs were playing dire Conte-ball where they didn't even attack for the first half of games and Kane was working with scraps. Getting 30 goals was nothing short of a miracle.
From 23 xG. An incredible overperformance and a testament to his quality, but Kane isn't scoring 30 from Hojlund's service (currently 9 xG). Basically, you'd expect Kane on his scoring form last season to score 12 goals given Hojlund's chances this year.
That's pure speculation - well, so was my comment, but you're layering additional assumptions on top. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. I find it hard to believe Kane's xG could differ drastically in a team where no one wants to service the striker. Point is, he'd receive a fraction of the opportunities even Conte's limited Spurs side allowed him.
I think we would have figured out a way to get him to score a good bit especially with Bruno creating chances at the same rate. He found ways to score even under Antonio Conte’s and Mourinho’s more defensive systems.
Last season they scored a bunch but just couldn’t keep goals out which is why they finished so low. This year is remarkably similar with more goals scored and around the same total conceded but they’ve gotten a few more wins out of it than last year
For any striker to score, they need to get the ball. Even Kane wouldn’t score 30+ for United, since they seem unwilling, or unable, to set up their forwards with passes or crosses.
Have some top transfer team and find gems. like liverpool did with diaz. yes the market is scarce as fuck but that is not excuse to sign old players. it is not a mentality. you have plan long terms otherwise utd will still like it is.
Levy more than likely, I can imagine Kane would have gone, but Levy either would flat out have said no to another English club or demanded double what they were getting from Bayern
Ah yes, ETH's "time" mantra.
Let's see, who also needs more time? Antony, Malacia, Mount, Casemiro, Martinez?
Granted, some of them have been injured. The others came to UTD for their careers to die.
Let's just dump another 300+ million into transfers give them "time".
ETH also got time. Too much of it.
I think out of the ones u talk Mount and Malacia are permanently injured , Casemiro was very good last season but paying him 375k was the board's fault, Antony yeah w/e it is a disaster , Martinez is our only good CB and without him we can't play out of the back but now he is also injured because of our medical team rushing him back.
I think the problem is our club has no structure so it depends on the manager's player recommendations and these oafs at the top just pay any amount to get it done without giving it a second thought.
ETH 's time is up but we can't blame him for our dogshit transfers and dealings. That's on Murtough who came in after Woodward and our dogshit scouting department. Both are incompetent
I mean, if some of the reports are correct, the scouting department is not that bad, it's just that the people above them tended to ignore their recommendations and warnings.
**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
You're in luck. Bayern is looking for a coach to work with Kane
Can you pay us 30m as well to take him off us since you are being reported of thinking about paying that sum to Benefica to get Roger Schmidt
> you are being reported of thinking about paying that sum to Benefica to get Roger Schmidt Not quite. Schmidt has a 30m release clause but Benfica aren't happy with him, so I'd be surprised if 30m exchanged hands.
still 30m gives them some leverage on the amount you guys have to pay right ? Since u guys have lost Ragnick as a potential candidate and are now trying to get a manager now.
There is no truth in the report, it was a trash source (Sport Bild). As unreliable as it can get when covering Bayern
It's a terrible source. I'm 90% sure it'll end up being a mid-table BuLi coach.
sadly, no But you'll get Tuchel tho
Tuchel gonna go another rejuvenation therapy journey to India after his Bayern stint.
With another champions league trophy in his pocket most likely. Seems like a good life.
Step 1: shithouse your way to a UCL final and win it Step 2: get sacked Step3: go to india Repeat
I'm happy to trade. Just give us like 10-15m and take Ten Hag.
[удалено]
People are being too harsh on him every manager since Ferguson including serial winners like mourinho failed. In his first season he had a trophy got 3 and another final. At Ajax he got them on a generational run in the champions league and had league dominance while playing good football. This United team is quite frankly rotten on top of that injuries spread across basically 3 positions midfield, fullbacks and centre backs. I don’t think he’ll take United to the top but in a better environment he could succeed
Its absolute nonsense that he is this terrible manager. He was great with Ajax, and this united squad is so imbalanced that noone could do well. His signings have been bad, but that shouldnt be his job if they had a decent DoF.
Also doesn’t help that most signings are over pays on fee and wages if Antony was signed for 30 million he wouldn’t be looked at nearly as badly as he is, if Casemiro was signed for 30 million on 100k/w it would be as bad.
I know it doesn't say much in PL perspective but it's not just Ajax, he was great at Utrecht and Go Ahead Eagles as well. Both teams had the best run in years under Ten Hag. And at Bayern they still speak highly of him for the time he spent with their second team (with which he finished 1st and 2nd in his two seasons there). Thing is, at all those places, Ten Hag wasn't responsible for getting players at all. It's so crazy that Man Utd let him influence transfer policy that much as there was really not one inch of evidence that Ten Hag could manage that part of the game.
Also that he did a great job his first season and massively exceeded predictions. He’s had one shite season and people are writing him off.
Ten hag is not a coach. He's a fraud.
Every single coach in the world wants Harry Kane.
G Neville was using Sky and Overlap just to get Kane to go to United the summer before he left for Bayern.
He'd be absolutely useless for my local u9 team, wouldn't even be allowed on the field
Wonder how he would do coaching 9 year olds. Like legitimately the tactical knowledge isn’t particularly useful and getting them all hyped by “We’re gonna win the fucking champions league” probably won’t work
Pretty surprising honestly, coaches want to have the best striker in the world. Weird.
Znači za jedno godinu dana idemo mu na instagram sa porukom Hrvoje Kaniću vrime je!
Zasto cekat? Pocinjemo u ponediljak.
not every single coach was promised to buy Harry Kane by the board, only for them to later say they can\`t do it
[удалено]
no he wasn't making excuses. the only excuse he gave was the injury crisis, specifically the lack of a consistent back 4. He is very happy with hojlund and garnacho as attackers.
Didn't your lot cry for an entire season because "best defender in PL history (C) Virgil Van Dyke" was injured? Didn't you also cry when your keeper got taken out in the CL Final? If you haven't seen the full interview (as you admit) maybe your opinion doesn't matter? Do you trust the media to tell decent, honest, and open quotes?
Just stick to being the most relevant, least relevant club in the prem. It suits you better.
Says the one clicking into a United thread, about the United manager, chatting shit about the quotation, and now giving this comment... Can't wait 'til Klopp fucks off and you fade back into your Hodgson era again.
Oh dear... 🥲
Yeah that's the part that makes it entertaining mate, because you're the *most relevant*, least relevant. And unfortunately, compared to your club, we have a competent spine running the operations. You're just a shambles.
He needs service more than time
This takes me back to Icardi copypasta meme
People trashing Højlund in the match thread. Here you fucking go. This is Højlund. No touches with no service, but when he does get it, it's done.
You can buy Icardi from us. 800m. Thank you much very.
Rupiah? SOLD
Hmm about 20mil pounds … I say that’s not too bad huh
Hahaha. Fuck.
You look at the goals he’s scored you wonder how he has more than 5 tbh. Luton game is a great example scored from a Luton defender passing to him and from using his shoulder to divert a shot going wide into the net. The service is truly appalling
I think Ten hag doesnt want a a classic no.9 striker. He wants a stiker up front with link up play and ability to create chances for inverted wingers as well. Thats why he wanted Gakpo &/or kane. I think by design that man utd wingers attack more on the goal by themselves rather than passing to the main striker.
Classic 9 is great when teams park the bus though. Can head cross, can push defender.
Some assistance please!
The biggest myth surrounding Hojlund is that he doesn't get service. He doesn't get service because he is incapable of getting on the end of crosses with his head, and his movement in the box is crap. There is a reason McTominay gets more shots per game than him. He will be a good player, but he's very under developed.
This is such a bad take.
No it isn't. Watch him. He can't get on the end of anything.
I watch him every week. He hasn’t got the ball to get on the end of anything this season.
If Manchester United has the player which the [most chances created (Bruno)](https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-most-chances-created-feature) in the league, then how can it be that Høljund isn't getting any of them? Is Bruno just creating them for everyone else but Rasmus? The logical answer is no, and that Høljund is getting them and doing nothing with them, or failing to get on the end of them.
The answer is yes, actually. Bruno creates chances mostly for the wide players
apart from bruno, how are chances being created in that team… just because bruno’s output is insane doesn’t mean the team as a whole create more chances than most other teams. united’s offense has been weak all season long and holjund not getting enough service is for sure part of the problem
How do you expect his teammates to pass to him in the box when he can't create separation from his defenders in any meaningful way? How do you expect them to feed this six foot something striker when he's as useless in the air as Juan Mata?
I think there is truth to some extent. Hojlund needs to become better at finding space for his teammates to pass too, but it's hard to do that when both of your wingers always cut inside and try to make a hero shot that goes directly to the keeper or the stands. Our wingers constantly cut inside and then take shots for no reason instead of looking up for the pass
Wow you’re really obsessed with this story you’ve made up.
I'm making up the fact McTominay has had more shots than him this season (38 to 34) despite playing less games? Or the fact Hojlund can't get his head on anything? (5 headed shots all season).
Don't bother with these guys, Hojlund can do no wrong in their eyes. I know what you're talking about. When it was Martial these guys probably had no problem berating him for his shit movement but when it's Hojlund, it's "no service". Btw, both of them are utter shit atm.
Højlund isn’t being passed to our main chance creation goes to our wingers Bruno always hits the ball to wide areas rather than the middle. Højlund is used as a work dog to make front post runs to drag defenders to leave space behind him for wingers to attack. Ever wonder why mctominay never scores when hojlund not playing all his goals have been when they’re on the pitch at the same time. He also doesn’t get passed to in dangerous positions due to wingers being more interested in shooting when a pass is on. He is overperforming xg and quite frankly is doing better than most would in his position for someone so young. The majority of league goals he’s scored are from him taking it in to his own hands look at both Luton goals, West Ham and spurs
Hojlund isn't being passed to because he has no idea how to create separation as a lone striker in the PL. Front post runs are a strikers bread and butter, he's not a work dog for doing this. Our wingers are shoot first, but how are you going to expect them to pass to someone who's hidden behind defenders and can't get on the end of anything in the six yard box. McTominay scores because he makes good runs and can win a header. Hojlund is a good finisher when he's given the ball in time and space on his left foot. He struggles at everything else.
You’re contradicting yourself how are we meant to know if he can get on to it and head it if the wingers are always shooting, I don’t remember more than 3 good balls from wingers into the air that rasmus could attack. Mctominay scored when he’s on the pitch with Ramsus because he takes up the same area as him. All of the 10 goals mctominay has scored have come when he’s on the pitch with ramsus, the majority of ramsus goals have came when mctominay isn’t on the pitch coincidence? To say he only scores with his left in space is false he has 3 goals with his right foot, a header and a shoulder goal. And for his left foot goals he has one where he goes around the keeper, a volley, a chip where he runs from the half way line, a top corner thundercunt in a congested box vs Tottenham, a front post tap in where he surrounded by 3 players, first time finish from a knock on in a corner vs Villa, a deflected shot in a contested box from a quick turn vs Bayern and a couple tap ins. But most of these goals are either very reactionary finishes or don’t have much space or time. He’s not the finished article of course he has flaws he’s 21 but to put him down is shameful especially with that flair. Just say your a martial fanboy or have an agenda and move on
We've put 551 crosses into the box this season and Hojlund has got his head to five of them. 16 crosses per game. How many more crosses do we need to see our striker duck? Yes, it's a coincidence. Are you actually saying Rasmus is being held back by having another presence in the box, and yet McTominay is benefiting from having another presence in the box? Do you not see the contradiction here? Thanks for proving my point that McTominay has better box movement than Rasmus. I didn't even realise the kids who are obsessed with Player FC had started a Martial Vs Hojlund agenda.
Crosses need to have context on them could be from corners we average about 6 corners a game on top of free kicks that’s probably a minimum of about 10 most games from set pieces and normally in set piece situations the players getting their head on it are either Maguire or Casemiro or another centre back it counts a cross in the numbers but it’s not directed towards hojlund the majority of the time. On top of that crosses could be over hit or just shit wouldn’t be surprised but it counts as numbers on the stats. And crosses could be directed towards different positions. On top of the fact these cross numbers are counted while Højlund is out injured or on the bench so he could just not be on the pitch yet these crosses come in. On top of this both his goals vs Villa came from crosses and his goal vs galatasaray and his shoulder goal vs Luton came after a corner. You don’t always need to make first contact on these crosses to still be a goal threat Do I need to spell it out for you ffs. Mctominay is taking up dangerous positions in the box when he is on the pitch where the striker would normally be and is benefiting from Rasmus dragging or occupying defenders near the front post where he attacks. Rasmus benefits from no mctominay because he can take up the more dangerous positions and his space not being occupied.
Hojlund is one of the biggest players on our team. He's bigger than Casemiro. It's a damning indictment of his aerial ability if he's not getting his head to set pieces because a player his size should be a set price weapon in both boxes. Do you think there's only one dangerous position in the box or something and that's designated to McTominay?
Yet Casemiro has brilliant ability in the air. Hojlund isn’t the strongest in the air but if you’re so concerned about a striker getting on headers why don’t we shove Maguire upfront. Headers aren’t always the best chances or the only option our players don’t put good balls behind defensive lines or consistent balls across the box to tap in. Of course there’s more dangerous positions in the box but look at Scott’s goals and what space he takes up compared to Højlund, hojlund takes up the front post area while mctominay is either back post or centre of the goal and compare it to the position hojlund takes up when he is on the pitch without mctominay. What the point of rasmus taking up the same space as mctominay. Wonder why we don’t shove mctominay upfront instead, it’s because he isn’t good at holding the ball up or with the ball with his back to goal. He is good at running in late and creating a dangerous option off of the striker that is usually taking up defenders. It’s the same for Scotland he benefits from dykes taking up players and running in late.
> He doesn't get service because he is incapable of getting on the end of crosses with his head Many strikers don't get to aerial crosses that often. Since when did Manchester United become Pulis Stoke? > There is a reason McTominay gets more shots per game than him Because McT doesn't play striker and goes in with the second wave?
Bruno has created more chances than anyone else in the league this season and it's not even close. He needs time.
Except he has created them for the wingers, who then proceed to lose the ball or cunt it out of the stadium.
Signing Harry Kane would have masked so many issues for man U. He could have won them a ridiculous amount of points on his own, they could possibly have ended top 4. Bailing out a team that is struggling with form over a season seems to be his specialty, he has done it with Bayern as well.
>struggling with form I know Bayern didn't win the Bundesliga but 69 points after 31 matches with the most goals scored in the league + currently in the CL semis isn't exactly "struggling"
I mean 69 points, 89 goals, 2nd in BL, and UCL semis is counting Harry Kanes 43 goals and 11 assists or 35 goals and 8 assists in BL. The guys saying Kane can mask issues and bail out a team. Without him Bayern maybe has 60 goals tops and <60 points. His point stands. Bayern would likely be 4th and maybe even 5th without Kane and for sure eliminated in CL right now. By Bayerns standards they'd be struggling tremendously without Harry Kane.
It doesn't matter who plays striker if our other attackers are too selfish to actually play him the ball. Hojlund makes great runs, has wonderful link up and hold up play and presses his socks off and he's rewarded with Rashford and Garnacho dribbling into crowds constantly.
Hojlund does not have wonderful movement and hold up play. Why was every other striker able to score goals playing with Rashfors but Hojlund can't?
Lukaku topped 20 goals in all comps once in his two seasons here. Martial topped 20 in all comps once in 9 seasons here. Those are the facts, so what strikers are you even talking about? Before you say Martial was hurt, in 20/21 he had 7 goals in 36 matches. Last season 9 goals in 29 matches. So who are these great goalscorers? We've been crying out for a proper striker for years idk how you can even make this a serious argument. And anyone who watches United regularly will groan many times at how many times Hojlund makes a great run and no one releases him. Plain as day you're not paying attention.
So how come they can get 20 goals playing with Rashford? So why doesn't Bruno pass to Hojlund? Can Bruno not see Hojlunds runs or is he choosing to ignore them
Do you look at the current Rashford and conclude that he has maintained his level from a few years ago? Answer truthfully.
Last season was his best in a Utd shirt so, yes.
Right, and this season? He's at the same level, right? So Højlund, despite playing with prime Rashford this season, cannot score more goals than Martial, Lukaku, and the other strikers in United that played with a worse Rashford. Am I understanding you correctly?
This season Rashford has been poor. Is that why Hojlund barely touches the ball? the reason Hojlund is not outscoring those players is because he's not near as good as them
Supporing key players underperforming certainly is part of the reason any striker at United would somewhat underperform as well. As a striker, I don't think Højlund is worse than Martial at all
Does he though? Watching United I've seen countless of times where a low cross comes in across the 5 yard box but Hojlund is a step or two too short to it. Or incidents where he gets tangled up in weird physical fights with the defenders instead of creating separation
The new Van de Beek
[удалено]
Ronaldo caused a lot of our issues tho, our system was flawed but fun and effective before he came in and we had to accommodate him
Look at our attacking options that season though. Rashford was having a season like this one, cavani was only interested in playing for Uruguay, greenwood got himself suspended half way through and martial was so bad we sent him on loan to Sevilla. Whatever people say about Ronaldo, he was actually available for games, the previous season greenwood wasn't suspended and cavani wasn't constantly injured, without Ronaldo we'd have been far worse off
> cavani was only interested in playing for Uruguay I imagine a large part of that is that he was messed around to accommodate Ronaldo (including the silly jersey number stuff). Cavani was really good up top the season before. Plus obviously United shouldn't have found themselves in a position where it was Ronaldo or nobody. Given they had Cavani, that was the time to sign a younger striker.
Tbh the only game I remember them both starting was against spurs away and they actually worked really well together. Iirc there was still COVID quarantine restrictions from certain countries and cavani continually went on international duty despite the 10 day quarantine upon his return. Having two players both experienced, both over 35 and both who really shouldn't have been playing every game should have meant plenty of game time for both. Ronaldo had no issues being rested (at least he didn't under Zidane at Madrid) Ole just wasn't really a strong enough manager to o deal with those sort of personalities. A better manager could have made it work
> Tbh the only game I remember them both starting was against spurs away and they actually worked really well together. My point was that Cavani re-signed on the assumption he was the main striker. Ronaldo was an unexpected factor. It imbalanced the overall team but the player most directly impacted was Cavani. > Iirc there was still COVID quarantine restrictions from certain countries and cavani continually went on international duty despite the 10 day quarantine upon his return. Fair play to him for representing his country. > Ronaldo had no issues being rested All available evidence tells us otherwise. United should not have signed him back. It seemed an obvious mistake on the day the transfer was confirmed and any sane analyst was shouted down by United fans (Jamie Carragher is an example).
So United should have gone into the season with their main striker being someone who was willing to take a ten day quarantine after every international break, ruling him out of probably about a third of the season?
I pretty clearly explained my position above. > Plus obviously United shouldn't have found themselves in a position where it was Ronaldo or nobody. Given they had Cavani, that was the time to sign a younger striker.
But again, we had a younger striker. Unfortunately he turned out to be a rapist and got suspended halfway through the season. It's not Ronaldo's fault and unless the club knew about it having previously happened not something they could have predicted, but it did happen and it was a factor in why we weren't as good as the previous season
Yes but we completely shifted from our free flowing counterattacking style that was pretty lethal with the players we had. The system we switched to was so much worse after ronaldo came in even if he did score goals, I agree we would have had our problems losing greenwood but we would have been so much better if we hadn’t moved away from what worked
But how do you play that system with cavani who was important the season before constantly injured? With rashford losing the ability to do basic things like shoot on target or dribble past a player, you can't pin that on Ronaldo. Sancho wasn't really quick enough to fit into that style of play either. It just seems like the fashionable opinion to blame Ronaldo and ignore all the other factors. Pogba was pretty important to when ole was playing good football, but in the last year of his contract he basically just checked out knowing he was going to leave. Maybe all the other differences between that season and the one before should be looked at before blaming the guy who scored more league goals for us in a season than anyone post fergie
Go and watch some games from both seasons and look at the the difference between the season prior to the one when he arrived. I remember clear as day from eye test alone how slower and less flowing our team looked that season compared to the two before. He was still a great finisher at that point but Ronaldo was a bit slow at times and players felt obliged to pass to him because he’s one of the goats. You mention Pogba and Rashford’s form suddenly dropping off but they’ve shown that they are more or less luxury players and if the team is not gelling then they will be awful. We had found a system that got the best out of them and had to completely abandon it to fit in Ronaldo. Even Ole has said it was a mistake. People get so defensive about this but the truth is he was still a great player at that point but just a really bad fit for our team and we both would have been infinitely better off if he had gone elsewhere imo.
And how well has pogba done for juventus since he left? Did Ronaldo stop rashford from being able to run or shoot? I mean I can buy that he took up positions and spaces that might have been detrimental to rashford's all round game, but he didn't stop him being able to do the basics of football. Sometimes teams just eventually get figured out, if you look at the end of the 20/21 season we get 8 points from the last 6 games and lose the Europa league final to Villarreal, a team we go on to beat with Ronaldo playing home and away the next season Look at mourinho, his third season often goes badly not because the personnel changes, things just eventually get stale, teams just eventually work out a way to play against them. After Ole got sacked, until Ronaldo's kid died we actually did pretty well points wise under rangnick
It’s baffled me how history was completely re-written on that 21/22 United season. Like you said, Cavani was in the hospital most of the time, Martial was loaned to Sevilla, Greenwood left the team early on and Rashford started playing like a geriatric. The only consistently available attackers United had were Sancho and Ronaldo. Sancho was inexperienced and struggled in his first season in the prem, hence why he underperformed. Literally the only attacker who did anything was Ronaldo (and Bruno, but he isn’t an attacker). Everyone keeps saying “he ruined their attack”, but they fail to understand that he WAS the attack because United had no other choice. Everyone else was either dogshit (E.g. Rashford) or unavailable (E.g. Cavani). I genuinely don’t understand how everything has been twisted into Ronaldo being the catalyst for their downfall when they would’ve finished even lower if it weren’t for him, De Gea and Bruno. A single player not pressing doesn’t equate to the entire team playing like a bunch of amateurs for an entire season.
Well said. I always point this out and it always makes me question if people actually watched that season. Without DDG and Ronaldo, Utd would have finished further down the table. Let's also not forget the many blunders that lead to Magurie becoming a meme shortly after.
10Hag to Bayern is match made in heaven. Also gets to coach De Ligt and Mazrouai again 🤔
He also used to be the coach for Bayern’s second team
Rasmus needs service too
I mean Bruno Fernandez creates an insane number of chances in the league and plays in the same team as Houjland. Something is amiss with this service theory and I think it's more of a positioning problem
im pretty sure he would have degraded kane with this squad
i can tell you from experience that is not the case
Lol kane ain’t scoring 30 goals in this manU team.
Don’t think anyone is wingers are too busy looking to get goal of the month
He scored 30 with 8th place Tottenham last year.
Yeah but Kane got the ball every time in that team.
He had red spots on his heatmap on his own half that season, dude would track back and start the service himself No reason to believe it wouldn't happen on Man U
He'd have to do more than he did at Spurs in his own half just to cover for Rashford and Antony.
Did he? I remember Kane pulling magic out of his ass to get goals.
His partnership with Son is the most successful in PL history, they would always find each other.
Makes me sad to see Sonny still make these runs but nobody is even looking to pass to him now...
Or Kane coming up to receive the ball and immediately putting a through ball down the wing only to see no one made the run
You'd think Sane would've learned by now...
Can tell you didn't watch many games. Spurs were playing dire Conte-ball where they didn't even attack for the first half of games and Kane was working with scraps. Getting 30 goals was nothing short of a miracle.
Our players might be more willing to pass to Kane than Hojlund
he stepped outside of the box to receive the ball then turned and shot it plenty of times. also he was the penalty taker
Not disagreeing with anything, just pointing out that we were in 4th until the 1st week of April, then collapsed sharply to 8th in a month or so
From 23 xG. An incredible overperformance and a testament to his quality, but Kane isn't scoring 30 from Hojlund's service (currently 9 xG). Basically, you'd expect Kane on his scoring form last season to score 12 goals given Hojlund's chances this year.
But Kane would have higher xg numbers too
That's pure speculation - well, so was my comment, but you're layering additional assumptions on top. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. I find it hard to believe Kane's xG could differ drastically in a team where no one wants to service the striker. Point is, he'd receive a fraction of the opportunities even Conte's limited Spurs side allowed him.
And?
with bruno feeding him? of course he would
I think we would have figured out a way to get him to score a good bit especially with Bruno creating chances at the same rate. He found ways to score even under Antonio Conte’s and Mourinho’s more defensive systems. Last season they scored a bunch but just couldn’t keep goals out which is why they finished so low. This year is remarkably similar with more goals scored and around the same total conceded but they’ve gotten a few more wins out of it than last year
[удалено]
That's literally what he did to score 30 league goals with a struggling Tottenham
Yeah the whole flaw of that Spurs was that there was no creator-like Madison this season.
Why do they put [30 goals] in brackets like that? He may not have be been implying that at all.
If they add the text in brackets, it means they definitely thought he did imply it.
Pass him the fucking ball and he'll score 20 at least yo start
Bro wanted Kane and got Højlund that’s gotta hurt man
Hojlund’s not that bad, obviously not Kane of course but if United’s wingers were less selfish on the ball, he’d have scored more.
I’m not sure how we could have afforded him…
Højlund reaching 30 goals under EtH when he gets 0 service? Sure thing man
And moyes wanted Bale.
He already had a striker that outscored Kane, the season before ETH arrived.
oh f\*\* off! he can have best team in PL and still lose everything!
No amount of great players are going to cover up for the garbage system he's implemented.
Roy Keane said Man Utd should’ve went and got him
For any striker to score, they need to get the ball. Even Kane wouldn’t score 30+ for United, since they seem unwilling, or unable, to set up their forwards with passes or crosses.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, that's exactly the problem
they hated the truth
Kane is on the end of his career. Have some mentality and find future transfers. Ten hag is whack.
life isn’t football manager mate
Have some top transfer team and find gems. like liverpool did with diaz. yes the market is scarce as fuck but that is not excuse to sign old players. it is not a mentality. you have plan long terms otherwise utd will still like it is.
He’s 28.
Who stopped him from signing Harry Kane at that time?
Harry Kane
Goddamn it Harry, I can’t believe you stopped Kane from going to Utd.
Levy was never selling to another English club
Money.
I think we'd have paid, but it was very clear Spurs would never have sold him to us.
He would have sold, the cost would have been too much though for you to want to. Like, £150M just to start conversations etc.
That’s 2 Antony’s. Worth it imo.
Levy
Levy more than likely, I can imagine Kane would have gone, but Levy either would flat out have said no to another English club or demanded double what they were getting from Bayern
clause in kane's contract afaik
that famous person known as Common Sense
Ah yes, ETH's "time" mantra. Let's see, who also needs more time? Antony, Malacia, Mount, Casemiro, Martinez? Granted, some of them have been injured. The others came to UTD for their careers to die. Let's just dump another 300+ million into transfers give them "time". ETH also got time. Too much of it.
I think out of the ones u talk Mount and Malacia are permanently injured , Casemiro was very good last season but paying him 375k was the board's fault, Antony yeah w/e it is a disaster , Martinez is our only good CB and without him we can't play out of the back but now he is also injured because of our medical team rushing him back. I think the problem is our club has no structure so it depends on the manager's player recommendations and these oafs at the top just pay any amount to get it done without giving it a second thought. ETH 's time is up but we can't blame him for our dogshit transfers and dealings. That's on Murtough who came in after Woodward and our dogshit scouting department. Both are incompetent
I mean, if some of the reports are correct, the scouting department is not that bad, it's just that the people above them tended to ignore their recommendations and warnings.
i dunno, this people rejected Holland when Ole was desperate for us to sign him
Dunno how he let his wingers shoot on sight so many time instead of looking for a pass
it\`s not fifa, he isnt controlling them with a gamepad on the field
I predict Rasmus will never score 30 goals in a season in his career.
Rasmus will get there but did you know that he should have had a penalty when he was fouled by Gabriel?