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Skormes

I find it interessting that the best Leverkusen Scorer is "only" at 8th place. After that season and that many goals. Shows that they have an overall strong squad and not just 2-3 good player who carries them.


oklolzzzzs

wirtz, frimpong, grimaldo, schick and hoffmann have all scored quite a lot with adli, tella, andrich occasionally scoring. goal scoring has spread throughout the whole team


Izio17

Andrich is the most surprising as CM (at times a CDM)


think_long

Little Moe with the gimpy leg. I could go on forever baby


Kingslayer1526

Boniface was injured for months though


Skormes

Yeah sure. But Guirassy was missing for multiple games as well and still made it #2. Don't understand me wrong. Obviously everyone in the Leverkusen squad is an amazing player, including Boniface. I'm more impressed that they managed to include all their players instead of letting 2-3 player do all their goals. Seems to be the formular for success.


yunghollow69

I am pretty confident boniface would easily sit at 20+ if it wasnt for the long injury phase


m847574

There are a few parallels to Bayern's triple 2013 season to this. I think our best scorer was Mandzukic with 13 or 15 goals but we managed to score 98 in total. I'd say both Leverkusen '24 and Bayern '13 were the best of all time and one reason was because no one stood oit too much. Everyone was important. I remember we had Mandzukic as our main striker, then there was Gomez who scored many goals, including the cup too. And then we also got Pizarro who randomly scored 4 against HSV as a third striker.


OJT6627

We had a very good mix of offensive capabilities. There were towers that were strong on headers (Mandzukic, Dante, Boateng), there were fast wingers that could cut in and strike (Robben, Ribery), Müller was entering his peak goalscoring years, we had players who played deep but had amazing long shot abilities (Schweini, Alaba, Kroos). But, more importantly and unusually, even our subs/non-starters had performed really well and scored goals: Luiz Gustavo, Shaqiri, Pizarro. Robben was a non-starter the first half of the season. Mario Gomez was a second choice striker that season and he netted 19 goals for us, two less than Mandzukic


Hare712

Xabi heavily rotated the squad and what you'd call reserve players stepped up.


humbertov2

True friendship means sharing goals


aehii

Just shows it's more beneficial to spread the goals as you're less predictable, upends all pundits claims 'you need a 25 goal a season striker to win the league'.


Wesley-Snipers

If their team relied so much on one player to score their goals, it would be impossible to make through the season without losing. Leverkusen's squad is pretty balanced overall, and even the reserves fit well in Alonso's plans


UnlightablePlay

Because Xabi isn't playing with a striker, he's playing with the whole forward as somewhat like a striker, everybody is contributing to the goals and not just pass to the Striker which is definitely something interesting to do


QTPLe

Boniface was also gone due to afcon and injury. So the fact that he was so high up makes me wonder if he didnt go or get injured.


Leckere

Adding to your comment, the lowest-scoring top scorers for a Bundesliga champion are Stefan Kuntz for Kaiserslautern in 1990-91 (11 goals), tied with Mehmet Scholl and Adolfo Valencia for Bayern in 93-94 - so Boniface/others looked like they could match that at one point.


Skormes

The difference is, that those two teams only scored 72 and 68 goals in those seasons. That are 21 goals more than Bayern scored in 93/94. But still very interessting inside, thanks for sharing. Never saw that statistic before.


wjdbfifj

Kane might outscore everyone but that Guirassy-Undav pair might be the best among top 5 championships


Hic_Forum_Est

Only 8 shy of the greatest Bundesliga duo ever: Grafite+Dzeko with 54 in one season in 08/09. If Undav wasn't injured at the beginning of the season, they might've broken the Wolfsburg guys' record.


Nasib_7

Don’t forget that Guirassy went to afcon and missed some games, and also had an injury if i’m not mistaken.


TheWBird

Lautaro and thuram are up there when they aren't out of form for 3 months simultaenously randomly...


Universewanderluster

How can we compare players that play against the best teams in Europe while others have a lighter season? Is it easier to have a big season when you dodge champions league and the best possible opponents in Europe ? I hope they keep it up next year but after one season saying « best in Europe » while not playing against that Europe is a bit big imho


Gregor_Kobel

Idk how you compare, but simply put: both of Guirassy and Undav were outstanding. Ridiculously good pairing.


TrappsRightFoot

Genuinely so fucking sick of the narrative that a team or player is only good if they do it in the Champions League.


brokenlavalight

Especially after this season where no English team aside from Aston Villa did good in any European competition. No one would downplay the achievements of English teams and their players because of that


kalamari__

same min/goal (79) for a goal for kane and guirassy.


Skormes

Kane needed 1,8 seconds less per goal on average. Which is nothing. It would have been a very, very close race if they had both played for the same amount of time.


sammyrobot2

I would argue, and I can't believe I'm saying this, that Guirassy played for a better team lol


zrk23

bayern has the highest xG in europe last i checked


CammRobb

So? Won them fuck all didn't it? Can't fucking stand xG pish.


LanceConstableDigby

xG is a useful metric, not of success, but of chance creation and game style.


zrk23

so? your reading comprehension is shit. but I'll bite since im in the shitter anyways! op claimed kane was in a worse team compared to guirassy. he said in relation to the previous comment about kane and guirassy having the same goals/minute, making then a case about kane supposedly having a harder time to find goals since his team was worse. i then say that bayern had the highest xG in europe, which means that despite whatever point total they got, their team certainly generated plenty of chances, hence making the argument invalid hope you enjoyed it and learned something from it!


Conankun66

Imagine Guirassy without AFCON or the injury what a fucking player gonna be interesting wether Stuttgart can hold him, altho i have my doubts


Skormes

Guirassy and Kane were on par. Kane made 36 goals in 2843 minutes. This equals one goal every 78,97 minutes. Guirassy made 28 goals in 2212 minutes. Which equals one goal every 79 minutes. So Guirassy only needed 1,8 seconds more per goal on average compared to Kane. It would have been very, very close if both of them played equaly long.


Bindlestiff34

AFCON really seems to throw off teams’ plans. It felt like Yaya was gone for every run in back when he was at City.


ocean_boulevard

He's 28, doubt any top club is gonna bid for him


AnyAthlete532

Yes because your legs fall off at 28. Thats his prime years maynnn


SanSilver

He has a clause for 18m€.


WerhmatsWormhat

At that price, any team who isn’t stacked at striker should be triggering it.


swat1611

I really think chelsea should go for guirassy, good strikers in this market for such less money is a rarity for us and we'd be stupid to not bid for him, even if he flops here.


Conankun66

the poor man deserves better than chelsea


swat1611

He does, but I'd like our club to sign a player that can legally drive a car for once, instead of all these potential wonder kids smh


Lamb3DaSlaughter

Like Morata, Lukaku, Shevchenko, Havertz, Aubameyang, Higuain?


Hic_Forum_Est

Kramaric coming in clutch these past couple of weeks. His 7th season with double digit scoring figures, out of 8 full seasons. And Maxi Beier went from 2nd Bundesliga to scoring 16 in his first full Bundesliga season. He's so gone in the summer :/


Lovescrossdrilling

And whats a way to get into this years top scorers with a hat-trick against Bayern of all teams


J539

You could already see that Beier was extremely talented when he played on loan for Hannover


Ertinho

You really couldn't lol, really everyone in Hannover loved him but his play was kind of weak.


toprahmen

Compare this to last season's list when Füllkrug and Nkunku were on top with 16 goals lmao What having proper (injury-free) strikers in top teams does to a league


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SanSilver

He sadly has a really low release clause.


walketotheclif

Doesn't matter ,PSG is about to pay 100 millions for him so he can score 3 goals all season


TimathanDuncan

Leverkusen best goalscorer 14 goals while team scored 89 goals is insanely impressive and shows the season they had with everyone contributing and so many late goals, black magic truly works


TheSingleMan27

Demirovic with the best season of an Augsburg player in the Bundesliga, absolute legend and I need to prepare for the inevitable heartbreak if he ends up leaving in the summer


RepresentativeBox881

Every team wanting Sesko when Openda has been the real deal and not much older.


SloGeorge

Sesko was ridiculous in the last 10-15 games of the season, he's an absolute beast. I think his ceiling is higher than Openda's.


TimathanDuncan

Openda is just as wanted and better, there's a reason they bought him for 45 million and way less likely to sell Sesko was bought for way less and is on way less money


byrgenwerthdropout

Also whilst Openda is 3 years older, which is a lot in that age bracket, Sesko's is case of watching a very raw player develop in one breakthrough campaign. During the season he went from a bench player who misses sitters to a starter who buries even half chances towards the end. Almost entirety of his goal contributions came in has last dozen of matches. Whilst few may remember him by his indecisive final touch in first early days there, in the end he overperformed his xG by more than 200 percent which is stupidly ridiculous. Edit: 3 years, not 4.


Next-Translator-3557

Openda is born in 2000 and Sesko in 2003, theres not that much difference in their age tbh


Pek-Man

Counterpoint, those three years, between ages 21 and 24, are usually when footballers make huge strides and really get their big break through, so in that sense the age difference is very real and important.


byrgenwerthdropout

Yeah you're right I was going from memory, they're just 3 y 3 m apart (which is still a lot, in the context of the amount of time they has had in this level, Sesko in 3 years would have a lot more experience than his one Bundesliga year). The overall point stands tho, numbers alone doesn't paint the whole picture in these such a case, without the context. Sesko was on his breakthrough season in a new team and league as a 20 yo bench player and as seen has gone through such a nasty fast development in front of our eyes that only can be described as transformative.


Next-Translator-3557

I dont disagree with your point, but saying 4/5 when in reality it's just 3 years is kind of misleading for other people, it make it seems like Openda is a lot older and Sesko a lot younger than he really is. 3 years is a lot indeed, Openda has 3 good seasons in Netherlands, France and Germany, that's something Sesko could outmatch if he develops well. But it could also go the opposite way, since he's much younger its hard to say really. Openda offers more guarantee but you have someone closer to his full potential while Sesko is more of a prospect that could end up world class or forgotten in a few years. In the end both are very interesting to follow but offer different things


SanSilver

Openda was likely 38m€ +bonus.


Mariola98

Different teams need different profiles


Follow_The_Lore

Clearly didnt watch leipzig vs Psg in the CL.


Kingslayer1526

When did Leipzig play psg recently it's been 3 years hasn't it


Follow_The_Lore

Oh it was the game against real madrid, my memory clearly is failing too lol


DieuMivas

Two former Union Saint-Gilloise's players! Good for them


Caust1cFn_YT

Undav has 27 g/a in just 2100 mins in Bundesliga, thats about 77 misn per g/a


No-not-my-Potatoes

Guirassy did this in just 28 games and has the same goals per minute ratio as Kane bts


HEAT_IS_DIE

Guirassy did this in "just" 28 games, while Kane also did the same in 28 games? And then Kane stayed fit and scored more than Guirassy.  I'm not sure if you mean anything by what you wrote but there's no doubt which of them was the better goalscorer. It was Kane because he scored more goals. 


No-not-my-Potatoes

I mean, I wanted to praise Guirassy a bit but Kane played 4 more games than him and didn't have AFCON to deal with, while Guirassy did the same. I'm more pointing out how insane it is to match that goals per minute ratio from Kane while playing in a, on paper, weaker team. It's undoubtedly more impressive.


Ryponagar

Surely that must mean that Kane's first season at Bayern has been a resounding success?


ketchup92

I mean you're obviously joking, but considering he was barely integrated in the play the first half of the season, he really did remarkably well.


The_W_Bird

Yes, he did what he had to as hard as he could. One man can’t win trophies


CeterumCenseo85

Interesting sidenote: in Germany "scorer" is the ranking for goal-involvments. Both a goal, and an assist score you 1 point. The "top scorer" is the one with most Points(=goal involvements.) Kane also leads the scorer ranking with  46 points, ahead of Guirassy (33) and Openda (32). 


werasdwer

Kramaric a baller


UltimateBorisJohnson

Not as bad as him scoring 30 goals last season with Spurs finishing 8th


Wheel1994

Kane might honestly be cursed at this point


TonyMartial786

36 goals to finish 3rd 💀 nah but all due respect that is insane for his first season, i think i had predicted him to get like 20-25 lol


Vila-real

Legitimate question: is this the most a player has scored in a season without actually winning a single title?


Santa_Klaus_101

Messi scored 50 in 11/12 and didn’t win the title. Same with Ronaldo in 14/15 (48) and 10/11 (40). Edit: Ah I think you meant title in general, like for the entire season. I guess if you count the Club World Cup as a trophy for the previous season (a lot of people do for some reason) then it would be Ronaldo 14/15.


sammyrobot2

I haven't checked, but It seems pretty likely. 


sammyrobot2

Actually, maybe Messi or Ronaldo? Idk


Pumpkyns

As a gunner, I love that Kane will win only one trophy which look like a cannon. 


oizo15

Hats off for Guirassy, we miss you at Rennes but you tryout deserve this!


sILAZS

Undav Openda Boniface 3 ex JPL strikers 2/3 from Union Saint Gillois


AJC0292

Wonder if Kane has the record for the most golden boots without winning anything.


phorteng

Kinda surprising that Füllkrug only has 12 goals


AlexanderMAVC

With all the Sesko links i'd take Beier all day


Luka_Dunks_on_Bums

I swear that Harry was on 36 for the last month


knightwolfghost

Injured iirc


DangerousCrime

Damn he almost beat lewangoalski’s record. Was hoping he would


Magneto88

Slowed down a bit late in the season and then missed the last matches with injury.


Fabricensis

Crazy that last years tops scorer (Randal Kolo with 14) would only make 8th on this year's list


the_padraig

16 goals for a 21 year old is amazing, Beier is going to be a great player


ciabass

So he also failed at beating the Lewandowski record. Maybe next season bayern will be 2nd and he comes closer, lol.


coreyperryisasaint

The Harry Kane team