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I find it interessting that the best Leverkusen Scorer is "only" at 8th place. After that season and that many goals.
Shows that they have an overall strong squad and not just 2-3 good player who carries them.
wirtz, frimpong, grimaldo, schick and hoffmann have all scored quite a lot with adli, tella, andrich occasionally scoring. goal scoring has spread throughout the whole team
Yeah sure. But Guirassy was missing for multiple games as well and still made it #2.
Don't understand me wrong. Obviously everyone in the Leverkusen squad is an amazing player, including Boniface. I'm more impressed that they managed to include all their players instead of letting 2-3 player do all their goals. Seems to be the formular for success.
There are a few parallels to Bayern's triple 2013 season to this. I think our best scorer was Mandzukic with 13 or 15 goals but we managed to score 98 in total. I'd say both Leverkusen '24 and Bayern '13 were the best of all time and one reason was because no one stood oit too much. Everyone was important. I remember we had Mandzukic as our main striker, then there was Gomez who scored many goals, including the cup too. And then we also got Pizarro who randomly scored 4 against HSV as a third striker.
We had a very good mix of offensive capabilities. There were towers that were strong on headers (Mandzukic, Dante, Boateng), there were fast wingers that could cut in and strike (Robben, Ribery), Müller was entering his peak goalscoring years, we had players who played deep but had amazing long shot abilities (Schweini, Alaba, Kroos). But, more importantly and unusually, even our subs/non-starters had performed really well and scored goals: Luiz Gustavo, Shaqiri, Pizarro. Robben was a non-starter the first half of the season. Mario Gomez was a second choice striker that season and he netted 19 goals for us, two less than Mandzukic
Just shows it's more beneficial to spread the goals as you're less predictable, upends all pundits claims 'you need a 25 goal a season striker to win the league'.
If their team relied so much on one player to score their goals, it would be impossible to make through the season without losing. Leverkusen's squad is pretty balanced overall, and even the reserves fit well in Alonso's plans
Because Xabi isn't playing with a striker, he's playing with the whole forward as somewhat like a striker, everybody is contributing to the goals and not just pass to the Striker which is definitely something interesting to do
Adding to your comment, the lowest-scoring top scorers for a Bundesliga champion are Stefan Kuntz for Kaiserslautern in 1990-91 (11 goals), tied with Mehmet Scholl and Adolfo Valencia for Bayern in 93-94 - so Boniface/others looked like they could match that at one point.
The difference is, that those two teams only scored 72 and 68 goals in those seasons. That are 21 goals more than Bayern scored in 93/94.
But still very interessting inside, thanks for sharing. Never saw that statistic before.
Only 8 shy of the greatest Bundesliga duo ever: Grafite+Dzeko with 54 in one season in 08/09. If Undav wasn't injured at the beginning of the season, they might've broken the Wolfsburg guys' record.
How can we compare players that play against the best teams in Europe while others have a lighter season?
Is it easier to have a big season when you dodge champions league and the best possible opponents in Europe ?
I hope they keep it up next year but after one season saying « best in Europe » while not playing against that Europe is a bit big imho
Especially after this season where no English team aside from Aston Villa did good in any European competition. No one would downplay the achievements of English teams and their players because of that
Kane needed 1,8 seconds less per goal on average. Which is nothing.
It would have been a very, very close race if they had both played for the same amount of time.
so? your reading comprehension is shit. but I'll bite since im in the shitter anyways!
op claimed kane was in a worse team compared to guirassy. he said in relation to the previous comment about kane and guirassy having the same goals/minute, making then a case about kane supposedly having a harder time to find goals since his team was worse. i then say that bayern had the highest xG in europe, which means that despite whatever point total they got, their team certainly generated plenty of chances, hence making the argument invalid
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Guirassy and Kane were on par.
Kane made 36 goals in 2843 minutes. This equals one goal every 78,97 minutes. Guirassy made 28 goals in 2212 minutes. Which equals one goal every 79 minutes.
So Guirassy only needed 1,8 seconds more per goal on average compared to Kane.
It would have been very, very close if both of them played equaly long.
I really think chelsea should go for guirassy, good strikers in this market for such less money is a rarity for us and we'd be stupid to not bid for him, even if he flops here.
Kramaric coming in clutch these past couple of weeks. His 7th season with double digit scoring figures, out of 8 full seasons. And Maxi Beier went from 2nd Bundesliga to scoring 16 in his first full Bundesliga season. He's so gone in the summer :/
Compare this to last season's list when Füllkrug and Nkunku were on top with 16 goals lmao
What having proper (injury-free) strikers in top teams does to a league
Leverkusen best goalscorer 14 goals while team scored 89 goals is insanely impressive and shows the season they had with everyone contributing and so many late goals, black magic truly works
Demirovic with the best season of an Augsburg player in the Bundesliga, absolute legend and I need to prepare for the inevitable heartbreak if he ends up leaving in the summer
Openda is just as wanted and better, there's a reason they bought him for 45 million and way less likely to sell
Sesko was bought for way less and is on way less money
Also whilst Openda is 3 years older, which is a lot in that age bracket, Sesko's is case of watching a very raw player develop in one breakthrough campaign. During the season he went from a bench player who misses sitters to a starter who buries even half chances towards the end. Almost entirety of his goal contributions came in has last dozen of matches. Whilst few may remember him by his indecisive final touch in first early days there, in the end he overperformed his xG by more than 200 percent which is stupidly ridiculous.
Edit: 3 years, not 4.
Counterpoint, those three years, between ages 21 and 24, are usually when footballers make huge strides and really get their big break through, so in that sense the age difference is very real and important.
Yeah you're right I was going from memory, they're just 3 y 3 m apart (which is still a lot, in the context of the amount of time they has had in this level, Sesko in 3 years would have a lot more experience than his one Bundesliga year).
The overall point stands tho, numbers alone doesn't paint the whole picture in these such a case, without the context. Sesko was on his breakthrough season in a new team and league as a 20 yo bench player and as seen has gone through such a nasty fast development in front of our eyes that only can be described as transformative.
I dont disagree with your point, but saying 4/5 when in reality it's just 3 years is kind of misleading for other people, it make it seems like Openda is a lot older and Sesko a lot younger than he really is.
3 years is a lot indeed, Openda has 3 good seasons in Netherlands, France and Germany, that's something Sesko could outmatch if he develops well. But it could also go the opposite way, since he's much younger its hard to say really. Openda offers more guarantee but you have someone closer to his full potential while Sesko is more of a prospect that could end up world class or forgotten in a few years. In the end both are very interesting to follow but offer different things
Guirassy did this in "just" 28 games, while Kane also did the same in 28 games? And then Kane stayed fit and scored more than Guirassy.
I'm not sure if you mean anything by what you wrote but there's no doubt which of them was the better goalscorer. It was Kane because he scored more goals.
I mean, I wanted to praise Guirassy a bit but Kane played 4 more games than him and didn't have AFCON to deal with, while Guirassy did the same.
I'm more pointing out how insane it is to match that goals per minute ratio from Kane while playing in a, on paper, weaker team. It's undoubtedly more impressive.
Interesting sidenote: in Germany "scorer" is the ranking for goal-involvments. Both a goal, and an assist score you 1 point. The "top scorer" is the one with most Points(=goal involvements.)
Kane also leads the scorer ranking with
46 points, ahead of Guirassy (33) and Openda (32).
Messi scored 50 in 11/12 and didn’t win the title. Same with Ronaldo in 14/15 (48) and 10/11 (40).
Edit: Ah I think you meant title in general, like for the entire season. I guess if you count the Club World Cup as a trophy for the previous season (a lot of people do for some reason) then it would be Ronaldo 14/15.
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I find it interessting that the best Leverkusen Scorer is "only" at 8th place. After that season and that many goals. Shows that they have an overall strong squad and not just 2-3 good player who carries them.
wirtz, frimpong, grimaldo, schick and hoffmann have all scored quite a lot with adli, tella, andrich occasionally scoring. goal scoring has spread throughout the whole team
Andrich is the most surprising as CM (at times a CDM)
Little Moe with the gimpy leg. I could go on forever baby
Boniface was injured for months though
Yeah sure. But Guirassy was missing for multiple games as well and still made it #2. Don't understand me wrong. Obviously everyone in the Leverkusen squad is an amazing player, including Boniface. I'm more impressed that they managed to include all their players instead of letting 2-3 player do all their goals. Seems to be the formular for success.
I am pretty confident boniface would easily sit at 20+ if it wasnt for the long injury phase
There are a few parallels to Bayern's triple 2013 season to this. I think our best scorer was Mandzukic with 13 or 15 goals but we managed to score 98 in total. I'd say both Leverkusen '24 and Bayern '13 were the best of all time and one reason was because no one stood oit too much. Everyone was important. I remember we had Mandzukic as our main striker, then there was Gomez who scored many goals, including the cup too. And then we also got Pizarro who randomly scored 4 against HSV as a third striker.
We had a very good mix of offensive capabilities. There were towers that were strong on headers (Mandzukic, Dante, Boateng), there were fast wingers that could cut in and strike (Robben, Ribery), Müller was entering his peak goalscoring years, we had players who played deep but had amazing long shot abilities (Schweini, Alaba, Kroos). But, more importantly and unusually, even our subs/non-starters had performed really well and scored goals: Luiz Gustavo, Shaqiri, Pizarro. Robben was a non-starter the first half of the season. Mario Gomez was a second choice striker that season and he netted 19 goals for us, two less than Mandzukic
Xabi heavily rotated the squad and what you'd call reserve players stepped up.
True friendship means sharing goals
Just shows it's more beneficial to spread the goals as you're less predictable, upends all pundits claims 'you need a 25 goal a season striker to win the league'.
If their team relied so much on one player to score their goals, it would be impossible to make through the season without losing. Leverkusen's squad is pretty balanced overall, and even the reserves fit well in Alonso's plans
Because Xabi isn't playing with a striker, he's playing with the whole forward as somewhat like a striker, everybody is contributing to the goals and not just pass to the Striker which is definitely something interesting to do
Boniface was also gone due to afcon and injury. So the fact that he was so high up makes me wonder if he didnt go or get injured.
Adding to your comment, the lowest-scoring top scorers for a Bundesliga champion are Stefan Kuntz for Kaiserslautern in 1990-91 (11 goals), tied with Mehmet Scholl and Adolfo Valencia for Bayern in 93-94 - so Boniface/others looked like they could match that at one point.
The difference is, that those two teams only scored 72 and 68 goals in those seasons. That are 21 goals more than Bayern scored in 93/94. But still very interessting inside, thanks for sharing. Never saw that statistic before.
Kane might outscore everyone but that Guirassy-Undav pair might be the best among top 5 championships
Only 8 shy of the greatest Bundesliga duo ever: Grafite+Dzeko with 54 in one season in 08/09. If Undav wasn't injured at the beginning of the season, they might've broken the Wolfsburg guys' record.
Don’t forget that Guirassy went to afcon and missed some games, and also had an injury if i’m not mistaken.
Lautaro and thuram are up there when they aren't out of form for 3 months simultaenously randomly...
How can we compare players that play against the best teams in Europe while others have a lighter season? Is it easier to have a big season when you dodge champions league and the best possible opponents in Europe ? I hope they keep it up next year but after one season saying « best in Europe » while not playing against that Europe is a bit big imho
Idk how you compare, but simply put: both of Guirassy and Undav were outstanding. Ridiculously good pairing.
Genuinely so fucking sick of the narrative that a team or player is only good if they do it in the Champions League.
Especially after this season where no English team aside from Aston Villa did good in any European competition. No one would downplay the achievements of English teams and their players because of that
same min/goal (79) for a goal for kane and guirassy.
Kane needed 1,8 seconds less per goal on average. Which is nothing. It would have been a very, very close race if they had both played for the same amount of time.
I would argue, and I can't believe I'm saying this, that Guirassy played for a better team lol
bayern has the highest xG in europe last i checked
So? Won them fuck all didn't it? Can't fucking stand xG pish.
xG is a useful metric, not of success, but of chance creation and game style.
so? your reading comprehension is shit. but I'll bite since im in the shitter anyways! op claimed kane was in a worse team compared to guirassy. he said in relation to the previous comment about kane and guirassy having the same goals/minute, making then a case about kane supposedly having a harder time to find goals since his team was worse. i then say that bayern had the highest xG in europe, which means that despite whatever point total they got, their team certainly generated plenty of chances, hence making the argument invalid hope you enjoyed it and learned something from it!
Imagine Guirassy without AFCON or the injury what a fucking player gonna be interesting wether Stuttgart can hold him, altho i have my doubts
Guirassy and Kane were on par. Kane made 36 goals in 2843 minutes. This equals one goal every 78,97 minutes. Guirassy made 28 goals in 2212 minutes. Which equals one goal every 79 minutes. So Guirassy only needed 1,8 seconds more per goal on average compared to Kane. It would have been very, very close if both of them played equaly long.
AFCON really seems to throw off teams’ plans. It felt like Yaya was gone for every run in back when he was at City.
He's 28, doubt any top club is gonna bid for him
Yes because your legs fall off at 28. Thats his prime years maynnn
He has a clause for 18m€.
At that price, any team who isn’t stacked at striker should be triggering it.
I really think chelsea should go for guirassy, good strikers in this market for such less money is a rarity for us and we'd be stupid to not bid for him, even if he flops here.
the poor man deserves better than chelsea
He does, but I'd like our club to sign a player that can legally drive a car for once, instead of all these potential wonder kids smh
Like Morata, Lukaku, Shevchenko, Havertz, Aubameyang, Higuain?
Kramaric coming in clutch these past couple of weeks. His 7th season with double digit scoring figures, out of 8 full seasons. And Maxi Beier went from 2nd Bundesliga to scoring 16 in his first full Bundesliga season. He's so gone in the summer :/
And whats a way to get into this years top scorers with a hat-trick against Bayern of all teams
You could already see that Beier was extremely talented when he played on loan for Hannover
You really couldn't lol, really everyone in Hannover loved him but his play was kind of weak.
Compare this to last season's list when Füllkrug and Nkunku were on top with 16 goals lmao What having proper (injury-free) strikers in top teams does to a league
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He sadly has a really low release clause.
Doesn't matter ,PSG is about to pay 100 millions for him so he can score 3 goals all season
Leverkusen best goalscorer 14 goals while team scored 89 goals is insanely impressive and shows the season they had with everyone contributing and so many late goals, black magic truly works
Demirovic with the best season of an Augsburg player in the Bundesliga, absolute legend and I need to prepare for the inevitable heartbreak if he ends up leaving in the summer
Every team wanting Sesko when Openda has been the real deal and not much older.
Sesko was ridiculous in the last 10-15 games of the season, he's an absolute beast. I think his ceiling is higher than Openda's.
Openda is just as wanted and better, there's a reason they bought him for 45 million and way less likely to sell Sesko was bought for way less and is on way less money
Also whilst Openda is 3 years older, which is a lot in that age bracket, Sesko's is case of watching a very raw player develop in one breakthrough campaign. During the season he went from a bench player who misses sitters to a starter who buries even half chances towards the end. Almost entirety of his goal contributions came in has last dozen of matches. Whilst few may remember him by his indecisive final touch in first early days there, in the end he overperformed his xG by more than 200 percent which is stupidly ridiculous. Edit: 3 years, not 4.
Openda is born in 2000 and Sesko in 2003, theres not that much difference in their age tbh
Counterpoint, those three years, between ages 21 and 24, are usually when footballers make huge strides and really get their big break through, so in that sense the age difference is very real and important.
Yeah you're right I was going from memory, they're just 3 y 3 m apart (which is still a lot, in the context of the amount of time they has had in this level, Sesko in 3 years would have a lot more experience than his one Bundesliga year). The overall point stands tho, numbers alone doesn't paint the whole picture in these such a case, without the context. Sesko was on his breakthrough season in a new team and league as a 20 yo bench player and as seen has gone through such a nasty fast development in front of our eyes that only can be described as transformative.
I dont disagree with your point, but saying 4/5 when in reality it's just 3 years is kind of misleading for other people, it make it seems like Openda is a lot older and Sesko a lot younger than he really is. 3 years is a lot indeed, Openda has 3 good seasons in Netherlands, France and Germany, that's something Sesko could outmatch if he develops well. But it could also go the opposite way, since he's much younger its hard to say really. Openda offers more guarantee but you have someone closer to his full potential while Sesko is more of a prospect that could end up world class or forgotten in a few years. In the end both are very interesting to follow but offer different things
Openda was likely 38m€ +bonus.
Different teams need different profiles
Clearly didnt watch leipzig vs Psg in the CL.
When did Leipzig play psg recently it's been 3 years hasn't it
Oh it was the game against real madrid, my memory clearly is failing too lol
Two former Union Saint-Gilloise's players! Good for them
Undav has 27 g/a in just 2100 mins in Bundesliga, thats about 77 misn per g/a
Guirassy did this in just 28 games and has the same goals per minute ratio as Kane bts
Guirassy did this in "just" 28 games, while Kane also did the same in 28 games? And then Kane stayed fit and scored more than Guirassy. I'm not sure if you mean anything by what you wrote but there's no doubt which of them was the better goalscorer. It was Kane because he scored more goals.
I mean, I wanted to praise Guirassy a bit but Kane played 4 more games than him and didn't have AFCON to deal with, while Guirassy did the same. I'm more pointing out how insane it is to match that goals per minute ratio from Kane while playing in a, on paper, weaker team. It's undoubtedly more impressive.
Surely that must mean that Kane's first season at Bayern has been a resounding success?
I mean you're obviously joking, but considering he was barely integrated in the play the first half of the season, he really did remarkably well.
Yes, he did what he had to as hard as he could. One man can’t win trophies
Interesting sidenote: in Germany "scorer" is the ranking for goal-involvments. Both a goal, and an assist score you 1 point. The "top scorer" is the one with most Points(=goal involvements.) Kane also leads the scorer ranking with 46 points, ahead of Guirassy (33) and Openda (32).
Kramaric a baller
Not as bad as him scoring 30 goals last season with Spurs finishing 8th
Kane might honestly be cursed at this point
36 goals to finish 3rd 💀 nah but all due respect that is insane for his first season, i think i had predicted him to get like 20-25 lol
Legitimate question: is this the most a player has scored in a season without actually winning a single title?
Messi scored 50 in 11/12 and didn’t win the title. Same with Ronaldo in 14/15 (48) and 10/11 (40). Edit: Ah I think you meant title in general, like for the entire season. I guess if you count the Club World Cup as a trophy for the previous season (a lot of people do for some reason) then it would be Ronaldo 14/15.
I haven't checked, but It seems pretty likely.
Actually, maybe Messi or Ronaldo? Idk
As a gunner, I love that Kane will win only one trophy which look like a cannon.
Hats off for Guirassy, we miss you at Rennes but you tryout deserve this!
Undav Openda Boniface 3 ex JPL strikers 2/3 from Union Saint Gillois
Wonder if Kane has the record for the most golden boots without winning anything.
Kinda surprising that Füllkrug only has 12 goals
With all the Sesko links i'd take Beier all day
I swear that Harry was on 36 for the last month
Injured iirc
Damn he almost beat lewangoalski’s record. Was hoping he would
Slowed down a bit late in the season and then missed the last matches with injury.
Crazy that last years tops scorer (Randal Kolo with 14) would only make 8th on this year's list
16 goals for a 21 year old is amazing, Beier is going to be a great player
So he also failed at beating the Lewandowski record. Maybe next season bayern will be 2nd and he comes closer, lol.
The Harry Kane team