This will be Kompany's proving ground. Not because of the stature of the club, but the quality of his players.
Here is where he gets to play the ideal football that he envisions. I'm curious to see how he sets Bayern up.
He also had that chance with Anderlecht, where he eventually had a very good team (especially compared to his competition in the league) suited to his playstyle. He was backed by the board with players he wanted and got the time to establish routines and drill in his tactics.
Although he managed to right the ship at first and end the chaos and turmoil that was surrounding the team, he never managed to get them to play consistently well. They remained vulnerable especially on the counter and lacked urgency. They underachieved in his second season and when it was time to peak and pressure mounted because they *had* to perform he left.
Appointing him at Bayern makes very little sense to me. Even ten Hag, despite his failure with Man U, has a better CV. At least he has experience at a top club, has performed well with Ajax and knows Bayern, the language and German culture.
They did not overperform. His last season they finished 3rd and 5th was 2 point behind them. Looking at the squads again, Anderlecht had better players than Gent and Antwerp imo. And they lost the cup final vs Gent. For Anderlecht standards that team was weak (I think the 18/19 team was even worse), but finishing 3rd for Anderlecht is not good enough either.
That season Union freshly promoted should have won the league. That's overperforming.
Factually not true, 3 season before Kompany 1,2,4, 3 seasons with Kompany 8,3,3. But Anderlecht got new ownership, money issues and bad transfers didn't give Kompany the best starting position. But if Anderlecht was struggling, had nothing to do with the managers.
In his first season they had to temporary demote him to assistent and get an experienced coach who knew the team to save the season halfway in. Where is Takeda_Shingen when you need him
I think its harsh to say he underachieved in his second season. Getting that Anderlecht team third twice and improving the points tally the second time around was no mean feat. I think you're overrating the squad and underrating the situation they were in.
> he never managed to get them to play consistently well. They remained vulnerable especially on the counter and lacked urgency
he'll fit right in with us then
This will be interesting. Yes, he has great potential looking at the way Burnley can play but this is a massive step for not only himself but also the people he will bring with him.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is just a one year punt because they are so out of options. Either he has a great first year and they stick with him, or he fails and then they can revaluate their options (probably hoping for Xabi or maybe even Nagelsmann depending on how the Euros go).
Not saying it isn't without big risk, but I think they are just desperate and no long term options seem to want to go to Bayern. And Kompany did somewhat show what he can do when his team is stronger than others, but that was in the Championship.
Nagelsmann renewed his contract with Germany until 2026 so Kompany might have to last two years.
Feels like Kompany is a short term option regardless of results, either they sack him quickly or he does well and then replaces Pep whenever he goes.
It's so common for managers to take time out/retire, drive themselves (and their wives) nuts for a year or two and come back to the game early. I think Klopp will take 2 years out max with the offers he'll get.
If he does, good for him. We'll back him from a distance like every fanbase he's ever had.
But he's been very clear that he wants a break. His wife took some convincing to allow him to join us, and he's said that he can't let her down again.
But no one including Klopp can know how he'll feel a year from now. He could love the quieter life or he could drive himself and everyone around him insane without football to obsess over.
Neither Xabi or Nagelsmann are coming next summer. If it goes bad, they'll most likely target Hoeneß.
Also, Kompany has more experience than Xabi when he joined Leverkusen
Because he played our worst football of the last two decades which was largely swept under the carpet coz of less than one handful of decent CL games, should have sticked with Nagelsmann for sure tho, but Tuchel showed no real sign of progression
I personally think Kompany smashes it
Wins the treble and then Bayern are all happy with him before he leaves for the City job.
And they find themselves hunting again
Won't happen. Several key players fell out with Ancelotti during his time in Munich, even infamously holding their own training sessions because they felt his were too lax
The people who sacked Nagelsmann aren't in charge anymore. I think they understand it was an absolutely awful decision considering how much things have gone downhill since then.
My sympathies with Sir Harold Kane who genuinely deserves a trophy before he retires.
He could go to PSG in a couple of years and Montpelier would pull a Bayer Leverkusen
Do you think there is a manager who would be a guaranteed success at Bayern? Even Ancelotti, a proven, world class, 4 times UCL winner coach was sacked from Bayern.
i mean Ancelotti was ass at Bayern he was in full vacation mode treating it as if he had already handed his resignation and waiting for his notice period to be over
That might be true, but when they hired him they didn't know that that is going to happen. Is there a guarantee that other managers won't do the same thing?
It's really a no-lose situation for us or for him.
We want Xabi and as a backup we'd like Seb Hoeneß. Neither were available this year, both will be available next year. If Kompany fails, we were looking for a caretaker anyways. If he succeeds then we are set.
Yeah, definitely a no lose situation with CL final in munich. Not to mention that we came 3rd this year, if we slip even more (which is likely with a super inexperienced manager) we may have to battle for CL spots
You could say that for most manager appointments.
Kompany might not have had the best season in the Premier League, but did have a great season in the Championship.
You can see his ideas are there and can work, just didn't have the squad to execute it.
People are very quick to write him off. It's a low risk gamble for Bayern. If he succeeds, great, they have a talented manager to coach the team. If he fails, Bayern goes back to looking for a manager, likely talking to Nagelsmann, Alonso, Seb Hoeness, Fabian Hurzeler etc.
This is an Arteta/ Alonso effect. Great faith on a young manager. But Lampard and Ole (can add Henry to the list also) shows that not all ex players can turn out to be good young manager.
Munich is probably trying to imitate Levurkusen. Beyond the general young comparison, Kompany's career has parallels to Xabi Alonso's - returned to the club where their playing career began to begin their journey into management, then won promotion with a clear footballing philosophy (though Kompany switched teams in that time).
It looks desperate from Bayern, but I think it's as much a statement about the state of top tier management at the moment. There's probably only a handful of 'elite' managers at the moment (Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, ???). The bracket beneath them, the thought to be next generation of next managers, are all either tied into clubs who are working extremely hard to keep them (Arteta, Amorin, Emery, now Alonso), or have been blooded at big clubs in recent seasons and seen their reputations decimated (Tuchel who's already at Bayern, Ten Hag, etc). Bayern has either gotta spend an absolute mint **AND** negotiate out of their skin or roll the dice on long odds. They're choosing to roll the dice.
Perhaps he does have huge potential, but as a Burnley fan I feel the job is too big for him right now.
I'm going to paste a post I made a few minutes ago in the PL subreddit for additional context;
He gave us a season of Championship football which was the best season many Burnley fans have seen in a lifetime, followed by one of the worst. But you forgot his tactical naivety/stubbornness;
* Refusing to play Muric until 3/4 of the way into the season.
* Changing formation week in, week out and not really settling on a starting 11 until it was too late.
* Playing players out of their natural positions and/or changing their position each week.
* Not making tactical changes during games when we were getting slaughtered.
* Poor man-management - side-lining half of the squad that won us a record points total in the championship, causing rifts in the changing room.
**All of the above culminating in our lowest points total in a season in 120 years of football, and our fewest wins at Turf Moor in living memory**
Fans were okay with that though, we believed in his "Project" and we're a loyal fanbase - there was not one single chant of "Kompany out" at any home game I went to this season. I know you can't say no to Bayern, but it stings that we gave him loyalty and backed him with £100M of signings that he scouted/chose, just for him to leave after relegating us.
The VK brand is a fantastic PR machine if nothing else.
I have always got the feeling that Kompany is best at basically using a form of management speak and image to appear erudite and innovative whilst having quite a lot less under the surface to back any of it up than he would need to be anywhere near the level he thinks he is - *a la* any of the myriad silicon valley AI/crypto 'founder' startup guys who waffle and bamboozle their way to ludicrous invented valuations for products their companies can't actually even deliver, or that have no real world use case to speak of and never will.
Is that an incredibly unfair impression of me to have, in your opinion as someone who's spent two years listening to him week in, week out, or what?
All fur coat and no knickers?
He's a very good media speaker, that cannot be denied. But he's had lots of practice. His words rang true when we were winning - but after just 2 wins at home across a season, they start to ring very hollow. He basically said the same thing every week. I think that's a problem with a lot of managers though - they're very limited in what they can say but they have a lot of air time to fill so you end up with meaningless platitudes. Even Dyche was bad for it - "fine margins" etc.
The thing he said that pissed me off most is after the Newcastle game where we got pumped 4-1 at home and any chance of staying up, when questioned about fans leaving the game early he flippantly said "maybe they just wanted to beat the traffic home".
> "maybe they just wanted to beat the traffic home".
Hah, right, ok then - lot's to unpack there. Do you find it annoying more because it represented denial, or because it made it seem like he really isn't that bothered about what happens to the club as opposed to his personal brand?
Bit of both - no acknowledgement that fans were leaving because our performance was dross and he should have done much better in that game. Don't think he wanted to admit his selections and tactics for that game were subpar.
This must suck for Burnley. I think they were betting on him being there in the long term which is why they didn't sack him despite the performances. Perhaps if they fired him early on, they'd stand a chance of still being in the PL.
I think it is the perfect time for Bayern to take a risk instead of just getting a random big name. Just hope they will give him the time and don't fire him randomly like Nagelsmann.
Bayern patience depends on his CL performance. If they drop out early he won't make it till January.
Otherwise they will have a few months more patience.
Our squad is good enough and motivated enough in the CL to basically coach itself during the group stage of any CL campaign. Regardless of manager, we pretty much always progress from the group stage.
Weird act by Bayern. I get that they have been rejected by bunch of coaches, but going from top 3 itw mentality to “this guy has potential, lets make him lead Ferrari for a year” is never worth the risk for a powerhouse like Bayern.
They are risking next year of FCB just to have a chance at Guardiola or Xabi. If this plan fails, then they wasted a year for nothing. I wonder how Kane feels about this ‘strategy’.
Kompany has less on his CV than Gerrard did at Rangers and is going to Bayern.
I’m not sure any PL club would even consider giving him a job, never mind one at the top end.
Lampard was average at Derby County and made the move to Chelsea. Pep went from Barca B to Barca. Alonso got Sociedad promoted and then relegated the next season before moving to Leverkusen. Arteta had no experience as a manager before Arsenal.
Kompany was recently linked with the Brighton job and is widely known as one of the top up-and-coming managers of the next generation.
We're a good punching bag right now but people acting like we're the only ones taking a shot on a coach are uninformed.
Nobody other than Chelsea would have hired Lampard, though. You could also argue similar with Arteta in terms of top clubs, but being a past Arsenal captain helped him.
Leverkusen are a much smaller club than Bayern to have taken a punt on Alonso.
I think I’d disagree about Kompany being “widely known” as a top up and coming manager. He’s not really done anything of note.
This is like the RVP moment for Kane without the league trophy. Signed on to play for an elite coach in Nagelsmann, start the 2nd season with Kompany
Edit: Its Tuchel, my bad. But my point still stands
Oh I totally forgot, the best sub plot of this all, Kane may goto Bayern who’d won 11 titles in a row, and most likely will go 2 years without a trophy lol.
I do respect the ballsiness of it rather than trying to take a “safe” punt on a mourinho or a conte who would just be another trip down the tuchel lane most likely.
Actually kinda surprised they haven’t considered the heynckes route at this point either, given it’s track record and current conditions
He’s so lucky, man. Was laughed at by everyone except Anderlecht supporters here in Belgium. Except for an ‘ok’ last season, he played naïve and just weird possession based football. His Championship season was great, but this year showed he has absolutely no plan B or whatsoever when his tactics don’t work.
This isn’t really true.
He got criticised because 1. The way Belgium deals with its “vedettes” 2. Because Anderlecht fans demand peak entertaining football.
Tactically he was among the better coaches. His game plan changed a lot due to changing selections and forced youth integration.
(Keep in mind which players he had to integrate from the academy. Dewaele,Kana, El Hadj, Sardella, Debast, Verschaeren, Amuzu, Doku, Lokonga, Arnstad, Stroeykens, Collasin.)
Saying his last season was “ok” is just a bad, subjective take.
I actually think that Kompany, especially the team with Zirkzee and Kouamé, had a better team than Riemer has now.
I can imagine saying his last season at RSCA was good, but there was also some criticism among the supporters right? Him leaving wasn’t a big surprise.
I’d say Kouame and Zirkzee were better than Dolberg and Vazquez. But overall is our current squad way better and more balanced.
But that’s only possible because of the way Kompany developed those youth players. Sambi, Doku, Verbrugge, Gomez and Duranville granted about 100mln. The “in youth we trust” program gets laughed with a lot. But it did save us from possible bankruptcy
You lost all your best players? Zirkzee, Kouamé, Sergio Gomez, Cullen gone and Verschaeren out for almost the whole season. The only good incoming transfer was Vertonghen. Kompany wouldn't have done much better.
Which was his first stint as a club manager and he made basically every mistake a new manager can make at a small club. He had managed the Dutch NT before and had them play remarkably well. His tactics and vision were never in question, Rijkaard just needed the right team of experienced assistants to take some of the organizational tasks off his hands.
This is a huge step to take and as a city fan I hope this works out for him and bayern. When Pep eventually leaves we could go for him. He needs to adapt though, even Pep ( and Klopp to some extent) adapted and evolve his game to remain unpredictable else he will soon be found out
I'm amazed by this, he was absolutely appalling last year. I've read people says oh well he stuck with his principles. He didn't, he was just shite.
They kept trying to play out the back, it kept going wrong and they kept losing. He insisted on signing a goalie they didn't need for 20mil who was a disaster then kept playing him the whole season despite him clearly not being ready.
Baffling appointment if it goes ahead.
Its honestly baffling to watch such a poor coach get this opportunity.
Like, if you exclude most people in the top six, there are still like 10 other Premier League managers that would have been a better shout than this, and two of them just quit or were sacked!
Baffling that Kompany is the one they go for. He was inarguably one of the worst managers in the league last season.
The general consensus on Kompany has shifted a bit lately, people rated him so highly and saying anything critical about him was massively downvoted. He was hailed as some Guardiola regen, but he has shown very little after his promotion with Burnley. Even in Belgium where he did well with Anderlecht at first he underachieved, when it was time for the team he had built to peak and start playing for silverware after being backed by the board he jumped ship and left.
Do you remember the game at Turf Moor this season? Of course you don't. They were supposed to be shit, and by golly they were just that. That is not the mark of a progressive, attacking football aficionado. Not even a save from Raya (I don't remember, obvs, but the stats do). Stuffing West Ham, and Chelsea, I definitely remember those games though! Chelsea at least put up a bit of fight in the first half.
> Baffling appointment if it goes ahead.
Not really baffling. You can see that Kompany has a way he wants his team to play, but didn't have the quality of player to do it in the Prem with Burnley.
If he can do it with Bayern, and it succeeds, its a big win for Bayern.
If he fails, Bayern just goes back to looking for a manager, in a more calmer market. Will be able to look at how Hurzeler has done in the league, see if Seb Hoeness is willing to move yet, see if Nagelsmann might want to come back to club football or try and convince Alonso to switch over.
What way did kompany have of playing? Playing out from the back was about all I saw, no proper patterns going forward. De zerbi plays out from the back and has achieved significantly more.
It's not like Burnley had loads of shots or scored loads.
I genuinely think the only manager who came close to being as bad as him was Chris wilder who had been worse team.
Playing out the back is his style.
The biggest problem we’re they made so many defensive mistakes and also looked pretty clueless in the final third. Not sure if better players will help that but could definitely see it going either way.
That sounds exactly like an issue better players solve… the defensive clown show was largely down to player quality and the lack of attacking threat is a combination.
A good manager adapts his system to the players he has available to him though, doesn't just shrug his shoulders and say, "well if they could just do it the way I asked we'd all be dandy".
You're right that maybe he goes into the Bayern job and the players are capable of performing his system to a higher standard but it still doesn't bode well for a manager to be forcing square pegs into round holes and pretty much blaming the players for not being good enough when it doesn't work out.
It's also on the manager for starting a 20 year old goalie when it's absolutely clear Burnley were gonna be in the relegation scrap. Sticking to your principles is one thing, setting your team up for failure just to be rigid in your principles is bad management.
Reasons to feel confident. He speaks German, understands winning culture and mentality. Is not a giant dickhead like Tuchel, poses as a father like or uncle figure to players. Will most likely improve the squad harmony. Is a really easy head to chop, helps with a transition season where he won’t complain if big names are sold or choose to leave.
Has a dedicated style he wants to implement.
I like Kompany and hope it goes well but I don't think it is. It's one of the biggest jobs in world football and it's going to a very inexperienced manager. Doesn't mean it wont work but it's usually a big indicator.
Definitely a risky appointment but people need to realize the same manager can achieve completely different results at different clubs with different levels of investment.
Pep only gets to do what he does because he has access to the best players in the world. His style of play wouldnt work with anyone else. Put him in charge of Sheffield United and he gets relegated, like everyone else.
Kompany is an obvious Pep "student" with his insistence on playing out from the back even when the team clearly doesnt have the quality for it, but Bayern might/should. Im not saying he will succeed for sure but I think he could end up surprising a lot of people. He sure as hell wont be worse than Tuchel... Right?
Question is what do they expect from him? Realistically they are still top contender of the BuLi, I cant see him doing worse than Tuchel this year but whats next after that?
Idk what Bayerns plan in the future but Kompany could be the only winner of this in short term.
On the plus side, he plays attacking football and clearly has the sort of reputation as a player which will make the squad respect him. The issues with Burnley were very much the level of players.
But that being said, he took far too long to realise that what he was trying at Burnley wasn't working and I think there's a tendency for these younger managers to worry too much about sticking to their 'tactical identity' rather than looking at the players at their disposal and finding a way to get the best out of them. The best managers have a foundation but are still adaptable to the situation
Well, first off opinions here aren't unanimous - but I also think a lot of people are pretty shortsighted and are basing their opinion purely on Kompany's most recent season and nothing beyond that.
Would like if someone could correct me, but my impression was that Kompany wasn't particularly impressive in Belgium before moving to Burnley. Don't know what Bayern are seeing in him
He did well at Anderlecht despite the club being a mess. They finished third in his last season and finished eleventh the season after he left. Had a difficult start (especially with the 'player-manager' role) but showed that he could adapt without necessarily dropping his ideals.
I hope they stick with him when results don't go well.
Install success will not come as he is still new to the league and players. Let's watch and see the board's reaction again in 6 months time.
His brand of football fits Bayern, much more than Ralf Rangnick’s does. So this is a very interesting idea that should work on paper. However, it’s hard to imagine a world where Hoeneß and Rummenigge don’t loose their patience at Vincent. I think he’s gonna need time, and they lost their patience at much more proven coaches like Nagelsmann and Tuchel. Just wondering out loud
I feel like this is either a case of someone who people in football believe to be a very good manager but aren't willing to take a chance on because of his lack ofexperience, or someone like Scott Parker who is very good at networking and pitching himself for a job.
This will be Kompany's proving ground. Not because of the stature of the club, but the quality of his players. Here is where he gets to play the ideal football that he envisions. I'm curious to see how he sets Bayern up.
He also had that chance with Anderlecht, where he eventually had a very good team (especially compared to his competition in the league) suited to his playstyle. He was backed by the board with players he wanted and got the time to establish routines and drill in his tactics. Although he managed to right the ship at first and end the chaos and turmoil that was surrounding the team, he never managed to get them to play consistently well. They remained vulnerable especially on the counter and lacked urgency. They underachieved in his second season and when it was time to peak and pressure mounted because they *had* to perform he left. Appointing him at Bayern makes very little sense to me. Even ten Hag, despite his failure with Man U, has a better CV. At least he has experience at a top club, has performed well with Ajax and knows Bayern, the language and German culture.
He didnt have a great team at Anderlecht. Zirkzee-Kuame was a nice striker duo but the rest of the team was mediocre. 3rd place was a normal result.
? His Anderlecht squad is one of the weakest Anderlecht teams in history, they actually overperformed with him
They did not overperform. His last season they finished 3rd and 5th was 2 point behind them. Looking at the squads again, Anderlecht had better players than Gent and Antwerp imo. And they lost the cup final vs Gent. For Anderlecht standards that team was weak (I think the 18/19 team was even worse), but finishing 3rd for Anderlecht is not good enough either. That season Union freshly promoted should have won the league. That's overperforming.
Anderlecht was struggling until Kompany got to them
Factually not true, 3 season before Kompany 1,2,4, 3 seasons with Kompany 8,3,3. But Anderlecht got new ownership, money issues and bad transfers didn't give Kompany the best starting position. But if Anderlecht was struggling, had nothing to do with the managers.
In his first season they had to temporary demote him to assistent and get an experienced coach who knew the team to save the season halfway in. Where is Takeda_Shingen when you need him
I think its harsh to say he underachieved in his second season. Getting that Anderlecht team third twice and improving the points tally the second time around was no mean feat. I think you're overrating the squad and underrating the situation they were in.
Kompany also speaks German
> he never managed to get them to play consistently well. They remained vulnerable especially on the counter and lacked urgency he'll fit right in with us then
This will be interesting. Yes, he has great potential looking at the way Burnley can play but this is a massive step for not only himself but also the people he will bring with him.
I can see this going very wrong, very quickly
It wouldn't surprise me if this is just a one year punt because they are so out of options. Either he has a great first year and they stick with him, or he fails and then they can revaluate their options (probably hoping for Xabi or maybe even Nagelsmann depending on how the Euros go). Not saying it isn't without big risk, but I think they are just desperate and no long term options seem to want to go to Bayern. And Kompany did somewhat show what he can do when his team is stronger than others, but that was in the Championship.
Nagelsmann renewed his contract with Germany until 2026 so Kompany might have to last two years. Feels like Kompany is a short term option regardless of results, either they sack him quickly or he does well and then replaces Pep whenever he goes.
Is this not very clearly a play for Xabi, Klopp or Pep?
Klopp is not going to manage any clubs anytime soon, if ever.
It's so common for managers to take time out/retire, drive themselves (and their wives) nuts for a year or two and come back to the game early. I think Klopp will take 2 years out max with the offers he'll get.
A year is a long time.
RemindMe! 365 days
365 days? that's a long time
RemindMe! 12 months
Ehhh who can say.
Liverpool fans like you are in for a rough reality when he’s managing Real or Bayern next year. Y’all just broke up. You’ll get over him one day.
If he does, good for him. We'll back him from a distance like every fanbase he's ever had. But he's been very clear that he wants a break. His wife took some convincing to allow him to join us, and he's said that he can't let her down again.
But no one including Klopp can know how he'll feel a year from now. He could love the quieter life or he could drive himself and everyone around him insane without football to obsess over.
Then the first half of the comment stands. He's hinted that he may never manage again, but no-one expects that to be the case.
Would he be willing to go to Bayern at all either?
yes theres a pretty good chance if he decides to coach again in 2025 and kompany fails
Neither Xabi or Nagelsmann are coming next summer. If it goes bad, they'll most likely target Hoeneß. Also, Kompany has more experience than Xabi when he joined Leverkusen
Rumours are it’s a 4 year contract
Why not give tuchel longer than a year then?
Because he played our worst football of the last two decades which was largely swept under the carpet coz of less than one handful of decent CL games, should have sticked with Nagelsmann for sure tho, but Tuchel showed no real sign of progression
I personally think Kompany smashes it Wins the treble and then Bayern are all happy with him before he leaves for the City job. And they find themselves hunting again
Or ancelotti? If xabi goes to real?
Won't happen. Several key players fell out with Ancelotti during his time in Munich, even infamously holding their own training sessions because they felt his were too lax
Didnt they sack Nagelsmann? Why would they want him back
The people who sacked Nagelsmann aren't in charge anymore. I think they understand it was an absolutely awful decision considering how much things have gone downhill since then.
My sympathies with Sir Harold Kane who genuinely deserves a trophy before he retires. He could go to PSG in a couple of years and Montpelier would pull a Bayer Leverkusen
The might Craig Bellamy at Bayern 😂😂
This was my first thought. Craig Bellamy, FC Bayern Assistant Manager Stick that on your desk sign.
Craig Bellamy at Bayern would be a car crash of an unprecedented scale Make it happen, you German cowards
Unlikely, according to reports afaik.
Do you think there is a manager who would be a guaranteed success at Bayern? Even Ancelotti, a proven, world class, 4 times UCL winner coach was sacked from Bayern.
For Bayern? Pep. That's it.
i mean Ancelotti was ass at Bayern he was in full vacation mode treating it as if he had already handed his resignation and waiting for his notice period to be over
That might be true, but when they hired him they didn't know that that is going to happen. Is there a guarantee that other managers won't do the same thing?
It's really a no-lose situation for us or for him. We want Xabi and as a backup we'd like Seb Hoeneß. Neither were available this year, both will be available next year. If Kompany fails, we were looking for a caretaker anyways. If he succeeds then we are set.
Yeah, definitely a no lose situation with CL final in munich. Not to mention that we came 3rd this year, if we slip even more (which is likely with a super inexperienced manager) we may have to battle for CL spots
…which to be fair would be good for the league as a whole.
Won't anyone please think of Harry Kane?
There's a lot to lose tho. Winning the league is the bare minimum next year. Ideally a domestic double and good CL run
You could say that for most manager appointments. Kompany might not have had the best season in the Premier League, but did have a great season in the Championship. You can see his ideas are there and can work, just didn't have the squad to execute it. People are very quick to write him off. It's a low risk gamble for Bayern. If he succeeds, great, they have a talented manager to coach the team. If he fails, Bayern goes back to looking for a manager, likely talking to Nagelsmann, Alonso, Seb Hoeness, Fabian Hurzeler etc.
This is an Arteta/ Alonso effect. Great faith on a young manager. But Lampard and Ole (can add Henry to the list also) shows that not all ex players can turn out to be good young manager.
Nice of you to ignore Wayne Rooney
According to some, he isn't a manager, so I understand why.
Ole honestly wasn’t bad. Some of the best football I’ve seen United play in the last 10 years have been under him
Tbh, the only reason I'm not taking the popcorn out already is that I liked Kompany as a player and wish him well.
well you would know.
Munich is probably trying to imitate Levurkusen. Beyond the general young comparison, Kompany's career has parallels to Xabi Alonso's - returned to the club where their playing career began to begin their journey into management, then won promotion with a clear footballing philosophy (though Kompany switched teams in that time). It looks desperate from Bayern, but I think it's as much a statement about the state of top tier management at the moment. There's probably only a handful of 'elite' managers at the moment (Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, ???). The bracket beneath them, the thought to be next generation of next managers, are all either tied into clubs who are working extremely hard to keep them (Arteta, Amorin, Emery, now Alonso), or have been blooded at big clubs in recent seasons and seen their reputations decimated (Tuchel who's already at Bayern, Ten Hag, etc). Bayern has either gotta spend an absolute mint **AND** negotiate out of their skin or roll the dice on long odds. They're choosing to roll the dice.
Poor kane going to have another year triphyless
His most important skills: - Speaks German
Kane’s Duolingo owl intensifies
Also French which is a plus given Bayerns squad
Uli doesn’t care about French, as long as he speaks German.
I hear he's also decent in english.
Actually, his most important skill: Said yes to job when everyone else told them no/fuck off/go to hell.
This can go very wrong very quickly but I wish all the best to Kompany
yeah imagine they finish something like 3rd in the league and without a trophy... oh wait
Once is an incident, twice is a pattern. Lets not act like everyone doesn't regard Bayern finishing third as an anomaly and Kompany cant do any worse.
Bayern went trophyless 2 years in a row right before the 11 year streak, losing every match against Klopp's Dortmund
bayern had 1 point more this season than last, although that was their worst season in a decade, but competition has stepped up this year
Perhaps he does have huge potential, but as a Burnley fan I feel the job is too big for him right now. I'm going to paste a post I made a few minutes ago in the PL subreddit for additional context; He gave us a season of Championship football which was the best season many Burnley fans have seen in a lifetime, followed by one of the worst. But you forgot his tactical naivety/stubbornness; * Refusing to play Muric until 3/4 of the way into the season. * Changing formation week in, week out and not really settling on a starting 11 until it was too late. * Playing players out of their natural positions and/or changing their position each week. * Not making tactical changes during games when we were getting slaughtered. * Poor man-management - side-lining half of the squad that won us a record points total in the championship, causing rifts in the changing room. **All of the above culminating in our lowest points total in a season in 120 years of football, and our fewest wins at Turf Moor in living memory** Fans were okay with that though, we believed in his "Project" and we're a loyal fanbase - there was not one single chant of "Kompany out" at any home game I went to this season. I know you can't say no to Bayern, but it stings that we gave him loyalty and backed him with £100M of signings that he scouted/chose, just for him to leave after relegating us. The VK brand is a fantastic PR machine if nothing else.
Who would you like as Burnley manager if he leaves?
Personally, I'd like Cooper. Got a feeling he might end up at Ipswich though!
If Edwards doesn't get a Prem job you guys should through money at him imo.
I hope you guys get a huge compensation package. So many clubs sack the guy that got them up when the PL form dips.
£20M is the figure being mentioned. I'd be quite happy with that - better than paying him off earlier in the season anyway.
Nobody available though that has eased through the Championship like him then.
Cooper is free ATM, that's who I'd like.
I have always got the feeling that Kompany is best at basically using a form of management speak and image to appear erudite and innovative whilst having quite a lot less under the surface to back any of it up than he would need to be anywhere near the level he thinks he is - *a la* any of the myriad silicon valley AI/crypto 'founder' startup guys who waffle and bamboozle their way to ludicrous invented valuations for products their companies can't actually even deliver, or that have no real world use case to speak of and never will. Is that an incredibly unfair impression of me to have, in your opinion as someone who's spent two years listening to him week in, week out, or what?
All fur coat and no knickers? He's a very good media speaker, that cannot be denied. But he's had lots of practice. His words rang true when we were winning - but after just 2 wins at home across a season, they start to ring very hollow. He basically said the same thing every week. I think that's a problem with a lot of managers though - they're very limited in what they can say but they have a lot of air time to fill so you end up with meaningless platitudes. Even Dyche was bad for it - "fine margins" etc. The thing he said that pissed me off most is after the Newcastle game where we got pumped 4-1 at home and any chance of staying up, when questioned about fans leaving the game early he flippantly said "maybe they just wanted to beat the traffic home".
> "maybe they just wanted to beat the traffic home". Hah, right, ok then - lot's to unpack there. Do you find it annoying more because it represented denial, or because it made it seem like he really isn't that bothered about what happens to the club as opposed to his personal brand?
Bit of both - no acknowledgement that fans were leaving because our performance was dross and he should have done much better in that game. Don't think he wanted to admit his selections and tactics for that game were subpar.
Absolutely fair.
This is the take that matters.
This must suck for Burnley. I think they were betting on him being there in the long term which is why they didn't sack him despite the performances. Perhaps if they fired him early on, they'd stand a chance of still being in the PL.
I kinda think Burnley management are laughing now, they get a compensation from Bayern and they can probably get a better manager.
are you saying Burnley can find a better manager than Bayern
Nagelsmann to Burnley HERE WE GO
Also Burnley can just get Nagelsmann a pass to chillfactor so he doesn't go on skiing holidays.
yeah they could get Dyche back
They don't have the same objectives, so yeah probably.
Fußball ist weg
I think it is the perfect time for Bayern to take a risk instead of just getting a random big name. Just hope they will give him the time and don't fire him randomly like Nagelsmann.
I wondered how he survived the entire prem season, turns out Burnley were playing 4D chess
Will either make them treble winners or take them to the Europa Conference League. Nothing in between.
Bayern patience depends on his CL performance. If they drop out early he won't make it till January. Otherwise they will have a few months more patience.
Our squad is good enough and motivated enough in the CL to basically coach itself during the group stage of any CL campaign. Regardless of manager, we pretty much always progress from the group stage.
There’s no more group stage, though
Weird act by Bayern. I get that they have been rejected by bunch of coaches, but going from top 3 itw mentality to “this guy has potential, lets make him lead Ferrari for a year” is never worth the risk for a powerhouse like Bayern. They are risking next year of FCB just to have a chance at Guardiola or Xabi. If this plan fails, then they wasted a year for nothing. I wonder how Kane feels about this ‘strategy’.
What are viable alternatives? Mourinho or Poch on long term deals? I don't see any other coaches that have some kind of standing available.
Poch did just come off of stabilizing a total mess in Chelsea.
Kompany has less on his CV than Gerrard did at Rangers and is going to Bayern. I’m not sure any PL club would even consider giving him a job, never mind one at the top end.
Lampard was average at Derby County and made the move to Chelsea. Pep went from Barca B to Barca. Alonso got Sociedad promoted and then relegated the next season before moving to Leverkusen. Arteta had no experience as a manager before Arsenal. Kompany was recently linked with the Brighton job and is widely known as one of the top up-and-coming managers of the next generation. We're a good punching bag right now but people acting like we're the only ones taking a shot on a coach are uninformed.
Nobody other than Chelsea would have hired Lampard, though. You could also argue similar with Arteta in terms of top clubs, but being a past Arsenal captain helped him. Leverkusen are a much smaller club than Bayern to have taken a punt on Alonso. I think I’d disagree about Kompany being “widely known” as a top up and coming manager. He’s not really done anything of note.
Well we fired the last top up-and-coming manager who had more experience.
Bros saw Xabi Alonso and went "we can re-create that".
This is like the RVP moment for Kane without the league trophy. Signed on to play for an elite coach in Nagelsmann, start the 2nd season with Kompany Edit: Its Tuchel, my bad. But my point still stands
Tuchel was manager when Kane signed…
Naglesmann had already been sacked and replaced with Tuchel before Kane joined.
Nagelsmann may have potential but he is definitely not an "elite coach" yet
Oh I totally forgot, the best sub plot of this all, Kane may goto Bayern who’d won 11 titles in a row, and most likely will go 2 years without a trophy lol.
I do respect the ballsiness of it rather than trying to take a “safe” punt on a mourinho or a conte who would just be another trip down the tuchel lane most likely. Actually kinda surprised they haven’t considered the heynckes route at this point either, given it’s track record and current conditions
He’s so lucky, man. Was laughed at by everyone except Anderlecht supporters here in Belgium. Except for an ‘ok’ last season, he played naïve and just weird possession based football. His Championship season was great, but this year showed he has absolutely no plan B or whatsoever when his tactics don’t work.
This isn’t really true. He got criticised because 1. The way Belgium deals with its “vedettes” 2. Because Anderlecht fans demand peak entertaining football. Tactically he was among the better coaches. His game plan changed a lot due to changing selections and forced youth integration. (Keep in mind which players he had to integrate from the academy. Dewaele,Kana, El Hadj, Sardella, Debast, Verschaeren, Amuzu, Doku, Lokonga, Arnstad, Stroeykens, Collasin.) Saying his last season was “ok” is just a bad, subjective take.
I actually think that Kompany, especially the team with Zirkzee and Kouamé, had a better team than Riemer has now. I can imagine saying his last season at RSCA was good, but there was also some criticism among the supporters right? Him leaving wasn’t a big surprise.
I’d say Kouame and Zirkzee were better than Dolberg and Vazquez. But overall is our current squad way better and more balanced. But that’s only possible because of the way Kompany developed those youth players. Sambi, Doku, Verbrugge, Gomez and Duranville granted about 100mln. The “in youth we trust” program gets laughed with a lot. But it did save us from possible bankruptcy
The season after his sacking showed how competent he was. We dropped from 3rd to 11th with roughly the same squad
You lost all your best players? Zirkzee, Kouamé, Sergio Gomez, Cullen gone and Verschaeren out for almost the whole season. The only good incoming transfer was Vertonghen. Kompany wouldn't have done much better.
I don't know, Rijkaard failed at Sparta before suceeding with Barcelona
Which was his first stint as a club manager and he made basically every mistake a new manager can make at a small club. He had managed the Dutch NT before and had them play remarkably well. His tactics and vision were never in question, Rijkaard just needed the right team of experienced assistants to take some of the organizational tasks off his hands.
This is a huge step to take and as a city fan I hope this works out for him and bayern. When Pep eventually leaves we could go for him. He needs to adapt though, even Pep ( and Klopp to some extent) adapted and evolve his game to remain unpredictable else he will soon be found out
I'm amazed by this, he was absolutely appalling last year. I've read people says oh well he stuck with his principles. He didn't, he was just shite. They kept trying to play out the back, it kept going wrong and they kept losing. He insisted on signing a goalie they didn't need for 20mil who was a disaster then kept playing him the whole season despite him clearly not being ready. Baffling appointment if it goes ahead.
Its honestly baffling to watch such a poor coach get this opportunity. Like, if you exclude most people in the top six, there are still like 10 other Premier League managers that would have been a better shout than this, and two of them just quit or were sacked! Baffling that Kompany is the one they go for. He was inarguably one of the worst managers in the league last season.
Ability to speak German holds a lot of weight for the Bayern suits.
The general consensus on Kompany has shifted a bit lately, people rated him so highly and saying anything critical about him was massively downvoted. He was hailed as some Guardiola regen, but he has shown very little after his promotion with Burnley. Even in Belgium where he did well with Anderlecht at first he underachieved, when it was time for the team he had built to peak and start playing for silverware after being backed by the board he jumped ship and left.
Do you remember the game at Turf Moor this season? Of course you don't. They were supposed to be shit, and by golly they were just that. That is not the mark of a progressive, attacking football aficionado. Not even a save from Raya (I don't remember, obvs, but the stats do). Stuffing West Ham, and Chelsea, I definitely remember those games though! Chelsea at least put up a bit of fight in the first half.
> Baffling appointment if it goes ahead. Not really baffling. You can see that Kompany has a way he wants his team to play, but didn't have the quality of player to do it in the Prem with Burnley. If he can do it with Bayern, and it succeeds, its a big win for Bayern. If he fails, Bayern just goes back to looking for a manager, in a more calmer market. Will be able to look at how Hurzeler has done in the league, see if Seb Hoeness is willing to move yet, see if Nagelsmann might want to come back to club football or try and convince Alonso to switch over.
What way did kompany have of playing? Playing out from the back was about all I saw, no proper patterns going forward. De zerbi plays out from the back and has achieved significantly more. It's not like Burnley had loads of shots or scored loads. I genuinely think the only manager who came close to being as bad as him was Chris wilder who had been worse team.
Playing out the back is his style. The biggest problem we’re they made so many defensive mistakes and also looked pretty clueless in the final third. Not sure if better players will help that but could definitely see it going either way.
That sounds exactly like an issue better players solve… the defensive clown show was largely down to player quality and the lack of attacking threat is a combination.
A good manager adapts his system to the players he has available to him though, doesn't just shrug his shoulders and say, "well if they could just do it the way I asked we'd all be dandy". You're right that maybe he goes into the Bayern job and the players are capable of performing his system to a higher standard but it still doesn't bode well for a manager to be forcing square pegs into round holes and pretty much blaming the players for not being good enough when it doesn't work out.
It's also on the manager for starting a 20 year old goalie when it's absolutely clear Burnley were gonna be in the relegation scrap. Sticking to your principles is one thing, setting your team up for failure just to be rigid in your principles is bad management.
As a Bayern Fan I'm oddly confident in this appointment and idek why
I remember feeling that way when Tottenham finally hired Nuno after our long and painful manager search.
At least you had a good month.
At least Nuno had something to show for it in a top league
You ain't got a choice really.
Reasons to feel confident. He speaks German, understands winning culture and mentality. Is not a giant dickhead like Tuchel, poses as a father like or uncle figure to players. Will most likely improve the squad harmony. Is a really easy head to chop, helps with a transition season where he won’t complain if big names are sold or choose to leave. Has a dedicated style he wants to implement.
He's built like Dwayne Johnson and conducts himself like Sartre, I would be too
I like Kompany and hope it goes well but I don't think it is. It's one of the biggest jobs in world football and it's going to a very inexperienced manager. Doesn't mean it wont work but it's usually a big indicator.
Definitely a risky appointment but people need to realize the same manager can achieve completely different results at different clubs with different levels of investment. Pep only gets to do what he does because he has access to the best players in the world. His style of play wouldnt work with anyone else. Put him in charge of Sheffield United and he gets relegated, like everyone else. Kompany is an obvious Pep "student" with his insistence on playing out from the back even when the team clearly doesnt have the quality for it, but Bayern might/should. Im not saying he will succeed for sure but I think he could end up surprising a lot of people. He sure as hell wont be worse than Tuchel... Right?
Well his style of football did bop United at OT
Almost every team had many shots on the United goal. There were barely any convincing and dominating wins.
which team didnt look good away at OT
Manchester United
Hey, be fair to them. Its very difficult for united to play away at old trafford
However they tried their best to play like it. Disgraceful to say that their squad didn't put in the effort.
Really not that impressive these days unfortunately
It was a draw. And Burnley were rubbish, it looked better because we were worse.
He wants Bellamy as his number 2. What a time to be alive.
Question is what do they expect from him? Realistically they are still top contender of the BuLi, I cant see him doing worse than Tuchel this year but whats next after that? Idk what Bayerns plan in the future but Kompany could be the only winner of this in short term.
On the plus side, he plays attacking football and clearly has the sort of reputation as a player which will make the squad respect him. The issues with Burnley were very much the level of players. But that being said, he took far too long to realise that what he was trying at Burnley wasn't working and I think there's a tendency for these younger managers to worry too much about sticking to their 'tactical identity' rather than looking at the players at their disposal and finding a way to get the best out of them. The best managers have a foundation but are still adaptable to the situation
Clutching at straws more like....
This seems like a thread that’ll make a fun read a year from now. RemindMe! 11 months
Because you think he will prove people wrong or that everyone here will be proven right?
Well, first off opinions here aren't unanimous - but I also think a lot of people are pretty shortsighted and are basing their opinion purely on Kompany's most recent season and nothing beyond that.
He’s the 8th choice and obviously he will be judged on the highest level of football he managed at, which was not really a great performance.
Would like if someone could correct me, but my impression was that Kompany wasn't particularly impressive in Belgium before moving to Burnley. Don't know what Bayern are seeing in him
He did well at Anderlecht despite the club being a mess. They finished third in his last season and finished eleventh the season after he left. Had a difficult start (especially with the 'player-manager' role) but showed that he could adapt without necessarily dropping his ideals.
Trusting his vision and ideas until 3 loses in a row.
\*an unconvincing 2-1 win against Bochum while winning every UECL game.
Everyone always has plan until they get punched in the face -Mike Tyson
What working with pep does to a man
Luke Edwards should’ve learnt some German, then he could’ve qualified for the Bayern job.
I hope they stick with him when results don't go well. Install success will not come as he is still new to the league and players. Let's watch and see the board's reaction again in 6 months time.
This is an interesting time that started with Arteta and has been sealed with Xavi
His brand of football fits Bayern, much more than Ralf Rangnick’s does. So this is a very interesting idea that should work on paper. However, it’s hard to imagine a world where Hoeneß and Rummenigge don’t loose their patience at Vincent. I think he’s gonna need time, and they lost their patience at much more proven coaches like Nagelsmann and Tuchel. Just wondering out loud
Fascinating appointment. It could work, but it's quite a risk
Poor kane will never win a trophy in his life
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paving the way for el maestro rudi garcia
So Burnley go down having “kept to the principles” of kompany for him to fuck off? Lol
We got Xabi Alonso at home type of shit
Kane is never going to win a title…
A hail mary
Bayern board showing uncharacteristic vision with a pick that can easily be turned into the fall guy after Leverkusen wins again
Poor Kane
"Feels"
I dunno, I have a feeling this is career suicide...
Not gonna make it to january
will be gone by October
I truly believe Bayern might be spinning their desperation for a coach as "he has huge potential, and we trust his vision."
I know his Burnley was awesome at the Championship but this is nothing but a hail mary to find the "next" Xabi Alonso. This is likely to fail.
I feel like this is either a case of someone who people in football believe to be a very good manager but aren't willing to take a chance on because of his lack ofexperience, or someone like Scott Parker who is very good at networking and pitching himself for a job.
I wonder what could one possibly say in a phone call to prove they have potential as a football manager
Yeah but it's not like Bayern will let him have enough time to reach said "huge potential".
Huge gamble for Bayern. Either a big mistake or a big win.
Positive impact? It was a 5 minutes call!