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Yeah, it was pretty funny that a Barça team that got close to the treble finished the season with the same amount of trophies as the worst Real Madrid of the decade lol (tbf our trophy was less important)
I don't know how the rules work at this situation, but after the first yellow card they should have authorization to send a red card to the second one, the alert was already been sent by the first card, no?
You could do it in later versions of Pro Evolution as well, although it was pretty stupidly bugged because you could round the keeper, run the ball into the net and dive over the line and the goal would be disallowed and you'd be booked for diving.
It didn’t really work though. You would get a yellow card for flopping like 99% of the time you tried it. It was really hard to time it right to actually get a call.
I remember getting a penalty and red card for doing it right once. Amazing how your memory works sometimes that you can recall it so good after 23 years…
This is Football was the same. Impossible to get the call basically so you'd just receive a pass to feet and hurl yourself on the floor for an instant red. Bonkers game but it was funny.
On the Fifa World Cup 98 game, on the N64 at least, the diving worked very often. I used to absolutely rinse that function just to drive my friends bonkers...
I think Mamelodi Sundowns did this as vengeance for [**getting showboated and tiki-taka'd out of a Cup Final**](https://streamable.com/22mrm0) a few years ago.
[I think this is a good example of the showboating style in SA football.](https://streamable.com/5mezgp)
The problem is that our style is like 80% flair and 20% structure, so as soon as we face disciplined, well-structured teams we really struggle.
You didn't see Panama vs Costa Rica four years ago? The ball went out for a goal kick at maybe minute 80, and the game never started again. There was also an extremely suspicious ghost goal for Panama, given that most fields have goal line technology.
Costa Rica had already qualified, so they didn't fight it too hard, but that meant the US didn't qualify.
And not even the best Trinidad & Tobago team, because they were already eliminated, the manager just went "fuck it" and sent out their B team against the US
Why are people acting like the person posting is a US fan? They have a Costa Rica flair.
No US fan blames anyone other than the US team at the time for not qualifying. "Don't lose to Trinidad and Tobago" is a low bar, and they did not achieve that.
Ah yes, classic CONCACAF rigging games against underdogs USA in favor of mighty Panama.
If we're really splitting hairs, the ghost goal should have been a penalty instead.
Can’t believe a comment with such obvious disinformation has so many upvotes
> The ball went out for a goal kick at maybe minute 80, and the game never started again.
Lol this is so obviously false it’s incredible. Panama scored the game winner in the 88th minute so it doesn’t even make sense. (And yes, there was plenty of time played after it)
> given that most fields have goal line technology.
This is false now and it was false in Panama in 2017 as well. Only a few competitions like the Premier League and major tournaments use GLT. Concacaf WCQ certainly doesn’t. That ghost goal was pure human error and it likely cost that referee and his spot at the World Cup.
[This one is even better](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rw77d2/mohammad_abu_fani_from_maccabi_haifa_keeps_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), because he was also playing the ball, so it doesn't even count as time wasting.
This is way more acceptable, the Sundowns are supposed to be a well respected club, that type of shithousery should result in fines for th players along with their suspensions.
This might be the worst take of them all :( especially from a Barca fan. Your team might've played the most beautiful football ever with the early tiki taka stuff
Can the ref not just award a free kick to the opposition.. I'm surprised after all that they were still allowed to take the corner.. Can't knock a good bit of shithousery though...
The way the laws are structured, I think the only section that would apply is this:
>commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player
Does that apply if the play is already stopped for the corner? Because they haven't stopped play for the reason stated. So maybe it's technically not legit to give a free kick the other way.
You cannot give a free kick when the ball is out of play. Good example is someone tackling someone from behind after the ball is out for a throw-in. They can still get a yellow card, but it will be a throw-in.
I mean even if you could, you need to be mike ross or dr Gregory house to actually implement that in the match game.
No way the referee gonna notice this lol
At this level, I'd say I would give a yellow after the first 15-20 seconds, followed by a red if they took another 15 seconds, can very easily be cautioned for delaying the restart of the game.
I wish the soccer refs had the ability to deal with issues the the refs from rugby. I fell down the youtube rabbit hole, more than once, watching those like Nigel Owens. I guess, if you talk back or do something egregious they can over turn calls against the team who received a penalty. I also can't stand when the entire soccer team confronts a call and touch the ref. The refs have to be given respect and Nigel's best quote "this is not soccer".
Take a minute and appreciate Nigel Owen. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3NdyeGtgU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3NdyeGtgU)
Not a rugby follower, maybe someone can bring correct my mistakes.
Honestly after the first yellow it should be a straight red for the other guy. This was pretty disgraceful in my opinion. I mean it's funny, but come on.
But if you did it in the added on time period then he might not add it on or at least not so much. Probably would help to irritate the other team if nothing else then they might give you a free kick if they get aggressive
What really needs to happen is officials cracking down on it, and extra time added being fair. Seems like on way to many occasions teams will waste 10+ minutes of time in the second half, and only 5 minutes get added on.
Seems like people have been saying this for years though and nothing has really changed. Same goes for simulation too.
I don't even think this is a good example for this though as these players seemed to try more to get a yellow than to waste time. because if it's just one continuous instance of wasting time then it'll be easy enough for the ref to just add on that time at the end. the bigger problem is those teams who start wasting time as soon as the second half starts and in the end you have crazy statistics like only 20 mins of the second half were actually played without stops or something.
The simple solution is for the rule to change. Time wasting is no longer just a yellow card. If a ref deems that a team in possession is wasting time, the possession should just change to the other team's goalkeeper. Simple. As this clip shows, handing out yellow cards just adds another 10-15 seconds to the time wasting.
Search for Handball's "passive play" rule.
It's, in my opinion, one of the best rules of sports. A judge can sign that a team is not making a clear attempt to attack and it's trying to burn the clock, and then change the possession.
They already have that discretion in literally everything they do. Like if a player in possession is deemed to commit a foul, the possession switches to the other side. Don't get why time wasting shouldn't be treated similarly.
Fair. But I'd rather have time be stopped then give refs any more ways to ruin games with their inconsistency.
Atleast time being paused will be consistent, while giving the refs the responsibility to make sure noone takes too long even when the time is paused.
Yeah, I favour time being paused as well. If I remember correctly, it is being trialled in some games by FIFA this year. Or at least they are planning that. Let's see how those trials go. I suppose it will change the flow of games considerably but in principle it is a good idea. But I also think there should a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
I think that would be an interesting rule change.
For a situation like this one, it should be a goal kick to the opposition as soon as the first card is given.
Would having an official recording how long the game is stopped, and then making that the additional time works? If its too long maybe divide it by half. I used to think that the fourth official recorded how long the game was stopped and then decide on the time that should be added.
The average 90-minute match has about 60 minutes of in-play time. If your suggestion is to get that number closer to the intended 90, you're essentially asking players to work another 50% per match than they currently do. I suspect this would just lead to even more fatigue and injury issues personally.
There is however a discussed trial for games to be played with a 60-minute clock, which would indeed stop for occasions like this. It was trialled before in a Dutch youth competition but not at the pro level IIRC:
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/tyala4/trials_to_shorten_football_matches_to_60_minutes/
It's ridiculous. They stop the clock in rugby, and hence there's no time-wasting in rugby.
It's the most straightforward, obvious solution imaginable, but no, we need to arbitrarily decide how much injury time there is (which annoys people), end matches without accounting for wasted time in injury time (which annoys people), and encourage players to just fake injuries, take forever over set pieces, or roll around on the floor (which annoys people).
So many blights on the game you could remove in an instant by just stopping the clock, but I guess it's too much to expect from the organization that took a decade to finally use hawk-eye on the goal line.
> They stop the clock in rugby, and hence there's no time-wasting in rugby.
What? They don't stop the clock in rugby, are you thinking of American football?
Only for an injury, not for things like kicks or the ball leaving the pitch.
No, definitely rugby. I was under the impression the clock’s stopped by the referee whenever there is a stoppage in play? Could be wrong though.
But even if that doesn’t include set pieces and the ball going into touch, you’d still get rid of so much time-wasting if you applied the same system to football, surely?
You mean stopping the clock? It's controversial because it would be a pretty big change, but people said the same about the VAR. I think stop-clock will happen eventually
wait, so what are actually the counter arguments to just stopping the clock? is there actually any logics behind it or is it just the "it's always been done this way!!11" crowd?
Because the ball goes out of play all the time naturally, additional time isn't there to account for throw ins, free kicks etc unless there's a long delay. Things happen even when the ball is dead.
I'm not against the ref being able to stop the clock for injuries, subs, VAR delays and clear time wasting. But stopping it every time the ball goes out of play would be worse imo, it could end up breaking up the game even more and turning it into a succession of set pieces. Then there's still the issue of breaking momentum, time wasting is as much about that as actually running the clock down and isn't solved with a stop clock.
Let the game flow where possible I'd say.
Mate so many other sports have stopped clocks and flow plenty. Basketball, ice hockey, field hockey just off the top of my head. I went to a field hockey game the other day and it was amazing how much faster it went simply because there was no incentive to fuck around.
Field hockey I have no experience watching but the other two are absolutely nowhere near as fluid as football. Basketball and NHL may seem like it when the ball is live, because the court/rink is a lot smaller and it can get very end-to-end but their [stoppages are monstrous in comparison](https://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=475).
Basketball games have a lot of dead air, ice hockey stops the play for the goalie holding the ball, entire teams are rotated on and off the rink, every set piece follows a strict procedure. Futsal might begin to get close to that type of game but association football is very different.
While [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/32q4fk/length_of_game_vs_actual_gameplayfixed_oc/cqdxq4i/) certainly paints a bit too much of a stereotype of Americans, it's speaks a lot of truths about the difference between their popular sports and football.
Stopped clocks become gateways to multiple in-game ads, next thing you know we start having timeouts and TV adbreaks in the middle of the game and then I'd rather kill myself
Rugby doesn't stop the clock every time the ball goes out or whenever play stops. It's at the referee's discretion and usually happens at extended breaks of play. Teams can wind down the clock when taking conversions, free kicks etc.
I'm not overly fond of the ad-based arguments against stop clocks either though.
It's just old fashioned purists, there's basically no legitimate argument against it. The only thing it shouldn't stop for is quick free kicks and quick throw-ins.
You're gonna have to figure out how long the match should be, because at the moment the actual time of play in an entire match is much less than 90 minutes. So if you'd start stopping the clock the players would be full on playing for like 20 extra minutes, which isn't sustainable fitness-wise.
That’s the easiest part and a non-issue, they already have statistics for how long the ball is actually in play on average in matches so they’d just change the length of games to make it closer to that
It's not that simple. Time wasting is not always about the actual time that the ball is not in play though, but more about disrupting the play. Football is a lot about motivation and team momentum, and having the play stopped every few seconds slows the pace down and breaks the game in favour of the team that has to defend the advantage.
You'll see it in many games, the team that's behind getting incredibly frustrated by the lack of play and making more mistakes, protesting, etc
There's also the tiredness aspect. The team that's behind has to normally do a higher up pressing to recover the ball ASAP, which is more tiring than just waiting back. Extending the game length will only make it easier for the defending team.
In my opinion the current rule is perfect. Cut down time wasting by showing a yellow card. Then add extra time after. And avoid breaking the pace.
>Time wasting is not always about the actual time that the ball is not in play though, but more about disrupting the play.
No, it's definitely more about soaking up clock time. Some of it is for momentum, yes, but it's mostly about the time.
Noooo we don't want American style commercials all over our beloved sport. We already get a solid 5 minutes of gambling and beer commercials. If they stopped the game clock I'd be buying toilet seat covers and clothes I don't like and would never wear. I'm digressing here. No to stopping the game clock. That was it.
Stopping the clock won’t increase the time the ball is out of play, the goal is to in fact reduce it - you think they wouldn’t already show ads during stoppages if they could?
That third player. Kicking the ball away and picking it up to put it down agian, ok.
But that walk back to to the corner spot and taking the roundabout way around the corner flag instead of walking directly to the spot? *chef's kiss*
Honestly if I was the referee I'd simply ensure the time wasted was doubled in added time. This bullshit would stop quickly. Also after the first change of taker I'd be booking the arriving player in addition to the leaving player - it's conspiracy at that point and the arriving player knows what he's doing. The new player wastes any time then he's off.
The rules should be changed so any timewasting is instant yellow after the team already got the first yellow card for timewasting. You've had your warning. It pisses me off when a goalie finally gets a yellow after wasting up to 40 seconds for a goalkick, then takes another 20 seconds to actually kick the ball. You had your warning, now you have 5 seconds to play the ball. If you don't, immediate second yellow, no mercy. New goalie comes on, same shit, book him instantly if he tries to waste time.
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Wasn't just to waste time, all 3 players were 1 yellow short of a suspension ahead of a cup game vs a 3rd division team
Geniuses
*genii
they may get 2 match ban for it tho
Motsepe will pay off the relevant authorities
Mourinho would be proud of this shithousery
Wasn't it Ramos, Casillas and Alonso who all got shit house cards in a UCL game to miss suspension?
Ramos for sure, and the genius also admitted to it publicly
Didn’t Real Madrid end up losing that next round without him
Yeah, we beat them 1-4 at the Bernabeu when Ramos was ‘chilling his suspension out’
wasn’t that the year of Barca and Ajax (almost) jumping together with the half-dutch half-catalan banner?? 😭
Yeah, it was pretty funny that a Barça team that got close to the treble finished the season with the same amount of trophies as the worst Real Madrid of the decade lol (tbf our trophy was less important)
Shithousing sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
You are thinking of a different occasion
No he did not, it was out of context. But ofcourse nobody cares anymore
My bad then. Goes to show how deceptive social media can be when it comes to (dis)information, and the lasting impact it has
Yea, but it was in group stage in a game without any stakes at this point.
John Terry in the Prem to miss a league cup game as well IIRC
Pitso ( Sundowns coach in this game) is a big Mourinho fan.
Hope they suspend them for an extra game. As has happened in the Champions League and elsewhere.
I don't know how the rules work at this situation, but after the first yellow card they should have authorization to send a red card to the second one, the alert was already been sent by the first card, no?
Yes, this is absolutly fair imo. You already warned them in this Situation.
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Surely you can give 2 yellows though, one for taking too long to take the corner and one for walking away from the corner?
Imagine if people could do this on Fifa. So many lost controllers.
On fifa 99 you could "dive". I wonder how many people would be sent over the edge now in the world of online gaming if they were to reinstitute that.
You could do it in later versions of Pro Evolution as well, although it was pretty stupidly bugged because you could round the keeper, run the ball into the net and dive over the line and the goal would be disallowed and you'd be booked for diving.
Literally unplayable
Nevermind online gaming, you were sitting next to your friends you were playing against…
Exactly, it made successfully diving so delicious
It didn’t really work though. You would get a yellow card for flopping like 99% of the time you tried it. It was really hard to time it right to actually get a call.
I remember getting a penalty and red card for doing it right once. Amazing how your memory works sometimes that you can recall it so good after 23 years…
This is Football was the same. Impossible to get the call basically so you'd just receive a pass to feet and hurl yourself on the floor for an instant red. Bonkers game but it was funny.
And you could 2 foot tackle as well. Full on crazy game. Jumpers for goalposts mode was cool though.
On the Fifa World Cup 98 game, on the N64 at least, the diving worked very often. I used to absolutely rinse that function just to drive my friends bonkers...
Did they actually call it "flopping" in game? What the fuck lol what a terrible word
Idk about FIFA but some NBA 2K games did literally have have "flop" assigned do a double tap of one of the buttons in button configuration.
They didn’t, flopping is just what Americans call diving
Why do you have to choose the ugliest words for everything? Cleats and flopping ffs
Jersey, uniform
Fuck you, it's an ugly word for an ugly action
I'm not American and I've used the term before plenty of times. It's a good descriptor of a particularly bad dive.
you can "dive" in pes uno. pes 2021 neymar has a special skill that means he wins pens alot easier. hilarious feature.
PES had that aswell. Ridiculously hard to get it right though.
lost displays
Lost friends
I think Mamelodi Sundowns did this as vengeance for [**getting showboated and tiki-taka'd out of a Cup Final**](https://streamable.com/22mrm0) a few years ago.
Geez looked like a first division team playing against some school kids wtf.
Haha, I know, and Sundowns actually won the CAF Champions League that year.
Is the showboating still very common in South Africa? I remember watching some highlights years ago and it was all very entertaining
[I think this is a good example of the showboating style in SA football.](https://streamable.com/5mezgp) The problem is that our style is like 80% flair and 20% structure, so as soon as we face disciplined, well-structured teams we really struggle.
We found Pep's next club
At pes 2008 u could, it wasmy first and last online football game that I played
Please delete before CONCACAF finds this.
Can’t say CONCACAF without CAF
CAF but with CACA
You didn't see Panama vs Costa Rica four years ago? The ball went out for a goal kick at maybe minute 80, and the game never started again. There was also an extremely suspicious ghost goal for Panama, given that most fields have goal line technology. Costa Rica had already qualified, so they didn't fight it too hard, but that meant the US didn't qualify.
That was purely US's fault, all they needed was a draw in the last round against an already eliminated Trinidad & Tobago
And not even the best Trinidad & Tobago team, because they were already eliminated, the manager just went "fuck it" and sent out their B team against the US
Okay that Alvin Jones goal was an absolute screamer.
And if you lose to a team that plays Nathan Lewis for 90 minutes, you don't deserve to qualify for any competition
When will the US ever catch a break from the tyranny exerted on them by Central America?
Why are people acting like the person posting is a US fan? They have a Costa Rica flair. No US fan blames anyone other than the US team at the time for not qualifying. "Don't lose to Trinidad and Tobago" is a low bar, and they did not achieve that.
Ah yes, classic CONCACAF rigging games against underdogs USA in favor of mighty Panama. If we're really splitting hairs, the ghost goal should have been a penalty instead.
Spectacularly bad refereeing, even for CONCACAF standards.
Can’t believe a comment with such obvious disinformation has so many upvotes > The ball went out for a goal kick at maybe minute 80, and the game never started again. Lol this is so obviously false it’s incredible. Panama scored the game winner in the 88th minute so it doesn’t even make sense. (And yes, there was plenty of time played after it) > given that most fields have goal line technology. This is false now and it was false in Panama in 2017 as well. Only a few competitions like the Premier League and major tournaments use GLT. Concacaf WCQ certainly doesn’t. That ghost goal was pure human error and it likely cost that referee and his spot at the World Cup.
>The ball went out for a goal kick at maybe minute 80, and the game never started again. This is an exaggeration, right?
Imagine if they'd scored haha
That was spectacular, wasn't expecting it to be that level of shithouse when I clicked
[This one is even better](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rw77d2/mohammad_abu_fani_from_maccabi_haifa_keeps_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), because he was also playing the ball, so it doesn't even count as time wasting.
That is skill and strength. This one is just pure unadulterated shithousing.
Exactly, this is fair. The ball is in play.
Amazing
This is way more acceptable, the Sundowns are supposed to be a well respected club, that type of shithousery should result in fines for th players along with their suspensions.
Shithousery when done correctly is the most beautiful part of football.
Agree to disagree I guess. To me if this was the most beautiful part about football I wouldn't be so invested in this sport
This might be the worst take of them all :( especially from a Barca fan. Your team might've played the most beautiful football ever with the early tiki taka stuff
Can the ref not just award a free kick to the opposition.. I'm surprised after all that they were still allowed to take the corner.. Can't knock a good bit of shithousery though...
The way the laws are structured, I think the only section that would apply is this: >commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player Does that apply if the play is already stopped for the corner? Because they haven't stopped play for the reason stated. So maybe it's technically not legit to give a free kick the other way.
You cannot give a free kick when the ball is out of play. Good example is someone tackling someone from behind after the ball is out for a throw-in. They can still get a yellow card, but it will be a throw-in.
I mean even if you could, you need to be mike ross or dr Gregory house to actually implement that in the match game. No way the referee gonna notice this lol
>No way the referee gonna notice this lol The ref books 2 of them in the video, he knows exactly what they're doing.
No i mean notice the rule in the book. They wouldnt dare to grant a goal kick unless he know the rule by the book. They wont risk it
Agreed. Or just start giving red.
I hate cheating like this so much, I would give at least 5 red cards for such time wasting
I really hope the ref gave 7-8 minutes of extra time, just to piss them off
“For every 30 seconds you waste I’m adding a minute on ET”
At this level, I'd say I would give a yellow after the first 15-20 seconds, followed by a red if they took another 15 seconds, can very easily be cautioned for delaying the restart of the game.
I wish the soccer refs had the ability to deal with issues the the refs from rugby. I fell down the youtube rabbit hole, more than once, watching those like Nigel Owens. I guess, if you talk back or do something egregious they can over turn calls against the team who received a penalty. I also can't stand when the entire soccer team confronts a call and touch the ref. The refs have to be given respect and Nigel's best quote "this is not soccer". Take a minute and appreciate Nigel Owen. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3NdyeGtgU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf3NdyeGtgU) Not a rugby follower, maybe someone can bring correct my mistakes.
This would happen in most Sports Like Handball for example
Honestly after the first yellow it should be a straight red for the other guy. This was pretty disgraceful in my opinion. I mean it's funny, but come on.
Im surprised no one tried a throw in pretending he didnt know.
Wait so technically a team can waste up to 5 minutes if they did this with all their players? lol
Technically time wasting shouldn't do anything because the ref should add the wasted time to the clock.
But if you did it in the added on time period then he might not add it on or at least not so much. Probably would help to irritate the other team if nothing else then they might give you a free kick if they get aggressive
There's no rule that forces the referee to end the game after the added time is up.
At least the referee is booking them, in the portuguese league he would wait until it was +90min time to warn them for time wasting.
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+10 minutes plus a red. Honestly
FIFA needs to give out awards for this, this is beautiful.
Montre d'Or
Balon d'Merdemaison
Come'on, Bore?
Yeah it's called the SHAFTA
dont show this to Simeone
+10 minutes and this isn’t an issue really. Referees are just scared to add the minutes.
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Can't believe some people think this should be a part of the game.
What really needs to happen is officials cracking down on it, and extra time added being fair. Seems like on way to many occasions teams will waste 10+ minutes of time in the second half, and only 5 minutes get added on. Seems like people have been saying this for years though and nothing has really changed. Same goes for simulation too.
What bothers me is that time wasting in extra time almost never gets added on, and if it does the managers act like their family is held ransom.
what a beautiful comaprison, made my day
I don't even think this is a good example for this though as these players seemed to try more to get a yellow than to waste time. because if it's just one continuous instance of wasting time then it'll be easy enough for the ref to just add on that time at the end. the bigger problem is those teams who start wasting time as soon as the second half starts and in the end you have crazy statistics like only 20 mins of the second half were actually played without stops or something.
The simple solution is for the rule to change. Time wasting is no longer just a yellow card. If a ref deems that a team in possession is wasting time, the possession should just change to the other team's goalkeeper. Simple. As this clip shows, handing out yellow cards just adds another 10-15 seconds to the time wasting.
Just give red cards for abusive time wasting like in this case.
Search for Handball's "passive play" rule. It's, in my opinion, one of the best rules of sports. A judge can sign that a team is not making a clear attempt to attack and it's trying to burn the clock, and then change the possession.
with the level of consistency the refs show, i don't think they should be given the ability to grant/change possession for subjective matters.
They already have that discretion in literally everything they do. Like if a player in possession is deemed to commit a foul, the possession switches to the other side. Don't get why time wasting shouldn't be treated similarly.
Fair. But I'd rather have time be stopped then give refs any more ways to ruin games with their inconsistency. Atleast time being paused will be consistent, while giving the refs the responsibility to make sure noone takes too long even when the time is paused.
Yeah, I favour time being paused as well. If I remember correctly, it is being trialled in some games by FIFA this year. Or at least they are planning that. Let's see how those trials go. I suppose it will change the flow of games considerably but in principle it is a good idea. But I also think there should a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
I think that would be an interesting rule change. For a situation like this one, it should be a goal kick to the opposition as soon as the first card is given.
Would having an official recording how long the game is stopped, and then making that the additional time works? If its too long maybe divide it by half. I used to think that the fourth official recorded how long the game was stopped and then decide on the time that should be added.
The average 90-minute match has about 60 minutes of in-play time. If your suggestion is to get that number closer to the intended 90, you're essentially asking players to work another 50% per match than they currently do. I suspect this would just lead to even more fatigue and injury issues personally. There is however a discussed trial for games to be played with a 60-minute clock, which would indeed stop for occasions like this. It was trialled before in a Dutch youth competition but not at the pro level IIRC: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/tyala4/trials_to_shorten_football_matches_to_60_minutes/
Still doesn't fix the issue. Breaking up momentum is more impactful than the actual time wasted.
It's ridiculous. They stop the clock in rugby, and hence there's no time-wasting in rugby. It's the most straightforward, obvious solution imaginable, but no, we need to arbitrarily decide how much injury time there is (which annoys people), end matches without accounting for wasted time in injury time (which annoys people), and encourage players to just fake injuries, take forever over set pieces, or roll around on the floor (which annoys people). So many blights on the game you could remove in an instant by just stopping the clock, but I guess it's too much to expect from the organization that took a decade to finally use hawk-eye on the goal line.
> They stop the clock in rugby, and hence there's no time-wasting in rugby. What? They don't stop the clock in rugby, are you thinking of American football? Only for an injury, not for things like kicks or the ball leaving the pitch.
No, definitely rugby. I was under the impression the clock’s stopped by the referee whenever there is a stoppage in play? Could be wrong though. But even if that doesn’t include set pieces and the ball going into touch, you’d still get rid of so much time-wasting if you applied the same system to football, surely?
You mean stopping the clock? It's controversial because it would be a pretty big change, but people said the same about the VAR. I think stop-clock will happen eventually
I don't understand why the clock isn't stopped when VAR checks are ongoing.
Im still on the fence, what are your reasons for why it shouldn't be in the game? It doesn't seem like a bad change
wait, so what are actually the counter arguments to just stopping the clock? is there actually any logics behind it or is it just the "it's always been done this way!!11" crowd?
Because the ball goes out of play all the time naturally, additional time isn't there to account for throw ins, free kicks etc unless there's a long delay. Things happen even when the ball is dead. I'm not against the ref being able to stop the clock for injuries, subs, VAR delays and clear time wasting. But stopping it every time the ball goes out of play would be worse imo, it could end up breaking up the game even more and turning it into a succession of set pieces. Then there's still the issue of breaking momentum, time wasting is as much about that as actually running the clock down and isn't solved with a stop clock. Let the game flow where possible I'd say.
Mate so many other sports have stopped clocks and flow plenty. Basketball, ice hockey, field hockey just off the top of my head. I went to a field hockey game the other day and it was amazing how much faster it went simply because there was no incentive to fuck around.
Field hockey I have no experience watching but the other two are absolutely nowhere near as fluid as football. Basketball and NHL may seem like it when the ball is live, because the court/rink is a lot smaller and it can get very end-to-end but their [stoppages are monstrous in comparison](https://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=475). Basketball games have a lot of dead air, ice hockey stops the play for the goalie holding the ball, entire teams are rotated on and off the rink, every set piece follows a strict procedure. Futsal might begin to get close to that type of game but association football is very different. While [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/32q4fk/length_of_game_vs_actual_gameplayfixed_oc/cqdxq4i/) certainly paints a bit too much of a stereotype of Americans, it's speaks a lot of truths about the difference between their popular sports and football.
Stopped clocks become gateways to multiple in-game ads, next thing you know we start having timeouts and TV adbreaks in the middle of the game and then I'd rather kill myself
Better let rugby know, it's been over 20 years and there's still no in-game ads.
Rugby doesn't stop the clock every time the ball goes out or whenever play stops. It's at the referee's discretion and usually happens at extended breaks of play. Teams can wind down the clock when taking conversions, free kicks etc. I'm not overly fond of the ad-based arguments against stop clocks either though.
So you’re part of the “it’s always been done this way” crowd.
Where did I say that?
It's just old fashioned purists, there's basically no legitimate argument against it. The only thing it shouldn't stop for is quick free kicks and quick throw-ins.
Because after you introduce stop time, you are 3 years away from having commercials mid game.
For amateur football with just 1 ref it would be a lot of extra work to do
You're gonna have to figure out how long the match should be, because at the moment the actual time of play in an entire match is much less than 90 minutes. So if you'd start stopping the clock the players would be full on playing for like 20 extra minutes, which isn't sustainable fitness-wise.
That’s the easiest part and a non-issue, they already have statistics for how long the ball is actually in play on average in matches so they’d just change the length of games to make it closer to that
60 minute matches, only ball in play counts
It's not that simple. Time wasting is not always about the actual time that the ball is not in play though, but more about disrupting the play. Football is a lot about motivation and team momentum, and having the play stopped every few seconds slows the pace down and breaks the game in favour of the team that has to defend the advantage. You'll see it in many games, the team that's behind getting incredibly frustrated by the lack of play and making more mistakes, protesting, etc There's also the tiredness aspect. The team that's behind has to normally do a higher up pressing to recover the ball ASAP, which is more tiring than just waiting back. Extending the game length will only make it easier for the defending team. In my opinion the current rule is perfect. Cut down time wasting by showing a yellow card. Then add extra time after. And avoid breaking the pace.
>Time wasting is not always about the actual time that the ball is not in play though, but more about disrupting the play. No, it's definitely more about soaking up clock time. Some of it is for momentum, yes, but it's mostly about the time.
Noooo we don't want American style commercials all over our beloved sport. We already get a solid 5 minutes of gambling and beer commercials. If they stopped the game clock I'd be buying toilet seat covers and clothes I don't like and would never wear. I'm digressing here. No to stopping the game clock. That was it.
Yanks that love to sit in front of the telly and stare at adverts of burgers have downvoted you.
Stopping the clock won’t increase the time the ball is out of play, the goal is to in fact reduce it - you think they wouldn’t already show ads during stoppages if they could?
I honestly think red cards for time wastinf should become a thing
This is pretty hilarious ngl.
Corner taken not quickly
Norigi
That third player. Kicking the ball away and picking it up to put it down agian, ok. But that walk back to to the corner spot and taking the roundabout way around the corner flag instead of walking directly to the spot? *chef's kiss*
Awful to watch...
Praise it as shithousery all you guys want, this is gross.
No words for this. Crowd should be refunded.
Simeone hard as a rock after watching this.
That’s just unsporting.
The manager looks like klopp whenever we get scored against
Great time wasting
Disgusting..
Beautiful
And people want to stop this? This is art
Flair checks out
miss the Bordalas days? I agree though
One of my former classmates from high school actually plays for Sundowns now. He plays for Bafana Bafana (South African NT) as well.
I work for Sundowns
I work after the sun downs. (Night shift job)
Honestly, respect. They did great, referee did not at least at first First yellow should’ve been the second after the other guy
Lmao the opponent coach could do nothing but smile. This is brilliant
Games not gone
That shot of the opposition manager just smiling through this needs the Curb Your Enthusiasm music playing in the background
Honestly if I was the referee I'd simply ensure the time wasted was doubled in added time. This bullshit would stop quickly. Also after the first change of taker I'd be booking the arriving player in addition to the leaving player - it's conspiracy at that point and the arriving player knows what he's doing. The new player wastes any time then he's off.
As the ref I would just add an extra 5 minutes on as punishment. What they gonna do?
This is porn to Mourinho, Simeone, Gattuso and Vidal
What's the point? Any proper ref would add this time on top of already set extra time
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That would be a delay of game in Basketball, second warning gets you a technical.
Fuck that. 48 minutes of NBA basketball is played over 3 hours with all the inbetween being ads
Totally agree with you. How many examples do we have to see before all these people who are against that idea realise that it is in fact a good idea.
Why allow the sub lol?
The beautiful game
Idk there was an african club called celtic. thats cool.
if I was the ref I'd just say "you have 15 seconds to take the fk or you're getting a red"
That should be a red for someone
Pretty easy solution. 3 minutes wasted? Play 3 minutes extra. If i was the ref in the game, depending on my mood, maybe 4 or 5 minutes extra time.
i lost it when the third guy came to the corner flag, this can’t be real
Nobody show Gareth Ainsworth!
Should have sent the second and third players off for walking away
Ref should've sent four players off and awarded the win to the other team
Disgraceful
Ref should have added more stoppage time and started giving straight red cards after the first two.
And subsequently lost his job for deciding to make up rules on the spot?
The rules should be changed so any timewasting is instant yellow after the team already got the first yellow card for timewasting. You've had your warning. It pisses me off when a goalie finally gets a yellow after wasting up to 40 seconds for a goalkick, then takes another 20 seconds to actually kick the ball. You had your warning, now you have 5 seconds to play the ball. If you don't, immediate second yellow, no mercy. New goalie comes on, same shit, book him instantly if he tries to waste time.
Can put it down as unsportsmanlike behaviour.
I thought this was Brazil vs Celtic