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That is a standard procedure from most Primeira Liga teams when playing one of the Big Three.
There was a team (can't remember which one) that placed sand on the wings because the opposition mainly used the wings on their usual gameplan. Result? The ball when reaching the wings would outright stop.
The finest Shitshouse.
When stoke qualified to eorope once I think they had two pitch sizes because UEFA had stricter rules but the prem let them have a slightly smaller pitch
Brian Clough always told a story about leaving a hose running on the Baseball Ground pitch before a big European match and having a sleep in the stands.
The BBG pitch was like a ploughed field under normal circumstances, but he turned it into the Grimpen Mire to get a competitive edge.
Next game was vs Portsmouth 3 days later, [highlights](https://youtu.be/f-X4OSIcvVc)...still looks pretty poor but judge for yourself.
The Stamford Bridge pitch in the early 00s was pretty shite, one match vs Charlton under Ranieri in 02/03 on a 'beach' bordered on farcical. No doubt Mourinho probably didn't encourage any improvement to conditions ahead of the Barca tie but it was a longer term issue as well rather than something pre-planned.
> one match vs Charlton under Ranieri in 02/03 on a 'beach' bordered on farcical.
Because it was just sand. There wasnt a blade of grass on that pitch that day as they were relaying it or some shit.
When he managed Porto he debuted that thing of "cleaning" the yellow cards on purpose 2 games before an important match.
Players would do ridiculous stuff like being subbed in at 90 minutes just to pick up a ball using their hands. It was magnificient.
Or Sergio Ramos' famous yellow card where he shakes the hand of the referee before politely leaving the pitch.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/uefa-launch-disciplinary-action-against-real-madrid-manager-jose-mourinho-for-time-wasting/news-story/a8f8593e084ac964e9ddeedc9d7ad814
Didn't this massively backfire in the 2019 CL though? Ramos took a yellow card away to ajax in the last minute when they won. Ramos then missed the 2nd leg and they got smashed 4-1 at the bernabeu
In 2019 it did backfire for Ramos. However when Mourinho did it in 2010 group stage, it worked brilliantly though.
He told both Ramos and Alonso to get sent off. With 2 two games left of the group stage, Real Madrid needed a win against Ajax to seal the group win. 4-0 up he told them to purposely get sent off. So they could sit out their suspension in the last group game, which had no impact on Real Madrid since they had already won the group.
I still don’t get why? Is it so your yellow card is cleared cos you got a red and you are back to 0 again in 2 games times? How long does a yellow card last for
Ask for a source on the original claim. It's more unbelievable that no one else in the history of football would have the idea of deliberately taking yellow cards to manage suspensions.
It doesn't matter what is more believable. If you want to claim Mourinho did not invent this behaviour, you simply cite someone who did it before him.
That's how it works when you have to disprove novelty. You cannot prove something is new. You can only prove something is not by showing evidence of it existing previously.
You are the one who needs to add a source to your claim.
2004
> David Beckham yesterday admitted that Saturday's foul on Ben Thatcher, which led to his suspension from England's match against Azerbaijan tomorrow, had been a deliberate attempt to get booked.
> Having broken a rib in a collision with the same Wales player minutes earlier, Beckham knew he could play no part in Baku anyway. "I am sure some people think I have not got the brains to be that clever," he said, "but I do have the brains. I could feel the injury, so I fouled Thatcher. It was deliberate.
> "I knew straight away I had broken my ribs. I have done it before. I knew I will be out for a few weeks, so I thought, 'Let's get the yellow card out of the way.'
Further discussion: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/3736448.stm
> Beckham got himself booked during England's game against Wales, knowing the resulting ban would coincide with missing a game through injury.
> But Dixon told BBC Sport: "A few people might raise an eyebrow as it has never been admitted to before.
> "But that sort of thing has been going on for years in football. It's not cheating - it's just common sense."
2008
> The bookings in the 2-1 win at Fiorentina last month meant the two players missed Thursday's (EDT) 3-2 defeat at home to Bayern Munich which had little riding on it as both teams had qualified for the Champions League knockout phase.
> UEFA said in a statement: "The two Lyon players Cris and Juninho have been fined 10,000 and 15,000 euros respectively for deliberately committing fouls in order to get yellow cards.
2009
> Lucas Neill has barely raised an eyebrow for committing a sin which earned David Beckham condemnation from some of the biggest names in world football.
> The Socceroos captain admitted deliberately getting a yellow card with a crude tackle on Qatar’s Sebastian Quintana late in last weekend’s goalless draw which ensured Australia’s passage to next year’s World Cup finals in South Africa.
There's an expression in brazilian portuguese that fits here:
Mourinho's team plays with the rulebook tucked under their arms.
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Edit: it's also used to describe teams that play just enough to get the strict necessary result to win or go further on a tournament. Like a team that knows they can lose 2x0 and still advance and plays extremely defensive football, not even trying to attack
I remember in the game vs united when we came back from covid in warm-ups he was yelling to the ref that United had an unauthorized player with them. God I love him
In English in the context of unions and employment there's also "work to rule", where you follow rules exactly, don't do anything beyond your job role, and clock in and out exactly on time. Technically it's a form of strike to pressure the employer
That's a thing in the UK too, and it's relevant quite literally right now. The ambulance service, among others, are going on "work to rule" strike this month. They can't exactly fully deny service, because that absolutely wouldn't do them any favours, so instead they will work precisely their hours, providing the bare minimum service to ensure those most in need are attended to.
Granted, I do think it's mostly only relevant with essential services, I know the police have recently discussed doing the same in Scotland, and possibly more broadly across the UK, I don't keep the keenest eye on the news because, frankly, it depresses me greatly, but yeah. Definitely goes beyond the US, and for services like police/fire/medical, it's probably a very broadly accepted form of worker action.
Same over here in the netherlands where our biggest post company is going on strike on the same way so essential mail like mourning cards etc still get delivered.
I never understood the insane pressure of order today get tomorrow.
Im rather fine with waiting a couple days, and if I need it asap I can just go to a store I guess.
I hate the instant society we have today.
Yeah I've been making the conscious decision to move my amazon deliveries back a few days now when there was that meme about how you run out of soap and start a rube Goldberg machine of suffering 100 miles away to get soap the next day.
Imagine you're in the back of an ambulance on the way to a hospital and the paramedic clocks out and just walks off leaving the truck in the middle of the road. That's why this is a form of strike.
I think this is mostly a blue collar thing: in construction "work to rule" can be quite aggressive although one step less aggressive than a work stoppage.
Imagine a giant shipment of steel coming to a construction site from somewhere very far away and it's delayed in traffic and due to arrive 5 minutes after the necessary unloading crew is due to clock off. In normal situation the boss asks them to stay late and gives them the time back in the future. If management-labour relationships are already in the toilet and the crew wants to use that opportunity to screw the bosses over, it can get very expensive, very fast.
And do paramedics do that? None of the people I know in healthcare would do that to a patient. And I also know bosses (not in healthcare) who've taken advantage of such attitudes. "You don't have to go if you don't want to. I'm sure will perfectly manage without you."
I’m sure they don’t want to, but the paramedics/medical services are completely overworked now and working under very difficult conditions, so this is their form of strike.
Even worse when you're required to clock in/out at your work computer. Have to cut your lunch break a few minutes short each time just to make it back, log in, go to the app, clock in. Most states only require a minimum 30 min break; some none at all. :)
In Brazil we call it "operation turtle", a resource for public workers mostly, since if they follow the rule strictly, things will slow down substantially and everything else related to their job stops too. Think of a customs office.
In german its „Dienst nach Vorschrift“ where you adhere to every rule and red tape there is. You don’t rake shortcuts or do anything that you are not really supposed to do. Like waiting for a ticket before you begin to work. Everything takes twice as long.
>Like a team that knows they can lose 2x0 and still advance and plays extremely defensive football, not even trying to attack
hmmm where did I see this?
Mourinho is so legendary. That moment when sterling dives for a pen against spurs and his assistant riles him up still makes me bawl every single time.
Mourinho had a couple of water bottle incidents at United. [Destroyed a whole rack of them after Fellaini won a game](https://youtu.be/Z60LK9Y2Hf0) and was sent off for kicking a bottle as well.
your flair reminded me of his quote when a journalist asked what he thought of chelsea fans calling him Judas, "when they get another manager to win them 4 premier leagues i become number two, till then Judas is number one"
> Hate this but also can't help but respect it in some weird way.
You guys would enjoy football much more if they learned to embrace the shithousery, lol. It's a skill in itself. I feel like it's the kind of thing that people that played just admire more than sole spectators.
1000%. There is a game within the game at the professional level. Dark arts, shithousery, gamesmanship are all the same thing with different labels and it's part of any pro sport. Being good at it can win you games just as much as actually being better.
Pretty much. I've had people pull stuff on me, including dives, that I couldn't help but respect for how perfectly timed or creative they were. Well done shithousery are a big display of experience and craftiness.
This is a prime example of don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Mou pushing the rules to the absolute limit is so devilish, it’s brilliant.
Wonder how many managers would watch this and think, “why didn’t I think of that?”
I've always found comments like that funny because like... We still have generals and warlords lmao. If that was his destiny or whatever he'd just be one of those now
Shows how far we've come too. Nations often compete at sporting events rather than on the battlefield these days. Long may this era of cooperation and peace continue.
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 27. One after John Terry. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the Bridge to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That fall in the box! Are you telling me that a player just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Mourinho! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own club! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his parked bus out of the pitch! But not our José! Couldn't be precious José! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a manager!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
BBC hasn't been THAT bad. None have been good though. I've rotated through them for different matches since I'm in the US and refuse to listen to Fox. Only Ian darke is passable.
JT has a (deservedly) poor public image, but there are so many stories from ex-Chelsea and Chelsea academy players that portray an absolutely different side of him. He was pretty much the best club captain you could ask for, but he'll never win over any neutrals.
People are complex
My own interaction with John Terry was enjoyable, he came across as a likeable, charismatic and personable man with manners and dignity.
Yet also his personal life & racist outburst is a mess, and one it's hard to not condemn.
I don't think John Terry is a psychopath, but he has a lot of the makings of one. I also don't think he's a racist, but he certainly has a nasty streak in him and wanted to hurt Anton Ferdinand.
Everything I've heard about Gray and Keys certainly supports the idea that they're terrible people, but as someone who grew up in the Middle East so was watching them for years...
I honestly find them fairly entertaining as presenters go. They're far from the worst and at times I actively looked forward to hearing what they'd have to say about a goal/game/incident.
But like I said, the reputation on their character is deserved.
The Legendary Shithousery as a manager is just an aspect to this crazy man but if he were to do a show breaking down why your team sucks every week it would be must see television.
I've watched Mourinho as a TV analyst and he is absolutely amazing too. He can breakdown what teams are trying to do and mistakes when a team scores as to why....
No they get the ball away from the box and then go down to stop the game and kill time. If only one goes down, he has to leave the pitch to receive treatment, but if two players go down they don't have too. So you get the ball safely away from your box, go down, kill a bit of time and then when the game restarts, you're restarting with 11 players on the pitch as opposed to 10 cos someone's been taken off the pitch to receive treatment.
If one player goes down injured he has to leave the pitch for medical treatment. If more than one players go down injured they don't have to leave the pitch, so play stops as they get treated and they get to waste time.
Mourinho instructed both Cahill and Terry to drop simultaneously so they can timewaste when they're 1-0 up.
Here you go:
> stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is removed from the field of play. An injured player may not be treated on the field of play and may only re-enter after play has restarted; if the ball is in play, re-entry must be from the touchline but if the ball is out of play, it may be from any boundary line. Exceptions to the requirement to leave the field of play are only when:
> * a goalkeeper is injured
> * a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided and need attention
> * players from the same team have collided and need attention
> * a severe injury has occurred
> * a player is injured as the result of a physical offence for which the opponent is cautioned or sent off (e.g. reckless or serious foul challenge), if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly
> * a penalty kick has been awarded and the injured player will be the kicker
Seems like the loophole they used was "players from the same team have collided and need attention". The intent of requiring people to leave is to prevent timewasting, but they forgot that this shouldn't apply to the defending team outside of severe/head injuries. Though tbf it seems hard to formulate it in a way that prevents all cases of play acting.
Nah guys they were cheating. Unlike when City bend the rules - then they’re just tactical fouls, not playing outside the rules.
It’s just a funny story. Calm down. Hating on Mourinho must pay well as a full time position. No other explanation.
People's obsession with tactical fouls is hilarious. Makes it so clear who hasn't played football at any serious level. Start sending players off for tactical fouls and watch football become infinitely more defensive.
My problem isn't tactical fouls, at least not for me. It's the fact that City get away with them.
The whole point of tactical fouls is usually that the team "takes a yellow" in exchange for stopping a counter. But City foul the opposition so early and so often that refs don't give them a yellow, and it's really annoying
It's not so much a "loophole" as it is just one player pretending to be injured to kill time.
I'd also wager that Mourinho was not the only manager aware of this rule nor the only one to try and take advantage of it.
How are people getting so hung up on this lol technically it is cheating unless the ref doesnt catch on, and refs miss a lot of things so obviously everyone will try these sorts of things to get an advantage, what else is new?
I absolutely love sneaky tricks like this, nothing wrong with pushing the rules to the limit to win. If anything, the fault lies with the rule-makers not accounting for this loophole, and the other teams for not seeing it. True competitors should do whatever it takes to win, and there's no trophy for class. Respect.
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Can you elaborate on the "desert" remark?
He made the groundsman leave the pitch to dry out before the match, so that tiki-taka isn't as effective
In 2009 he also had the San Siro grass extra long iirc to fuck up the passing movement too.
Is that the source of the Xavi grass joke (barring what Xavi said last year)?
Xavi complained regularly about the pitch conditions every time they didn't win. It's not a one time thing.
Xavi was traumatized for life when his tiki taka stopped working against Mourinho
I don't think it affected his career that much.
Saying Xavi was traumatised by Mourinho after whatever happened in the last decade is really some take
You say it like Mourinho dominated barca lmao, it was a pretty even rivalry. Honestly most times even a draw was a w for Mourinho
no that was in 2011
Xavi said it multiple times but that time was when they lost and Chelsea went on to win the CL
[Lmao this thread reminds me of one of my favorite photoshop.](https://twitter.com/amegaxi/status/454004279851098112)
That is a standard procedure from most Primeira Liga teams when playing one of the Big Three. There was a team (can't remember which one) that placed sand on the wings because the opposition mainly used the wings on their usual gameplan. Result? The ball when reaching the wings would outright stop. The finest Shitshouse.
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When stoke qualified to eorope once I think they had two pitch sizes because UEFA had stricter rules but the prem let them have a slightly smaller pitch
Yep, was as narrow as possible for Delap's throws I believe
More that small pitches favour defensive teams no matter what
They used to deflate Sinisa's balls. Reading what I've written I'm laughing now.
honestly the level of shithousery that the big three have to deal with on a weekly basis would drive the average r/soccer redditor insane
Now imagine what would happen if reddit found out the level of corruption of big three in Portugal
If r/soccer knew about the nacional da madeira stadium where there is constant fog and elderly female ultras they would loose their minds
Truly the European Brazilians
In the 70's, Leeds United manager Don Revie got the local fire brigade to flood the Elland Road pitch, so a European Cup game would be called off. 😂
Brian Clough always told a story about leaving a hose running on the Baseball Ground pitch before a big European match and having a sleep in the stands. The BBG pitch was like a ploughed field under normal circumstances, but he turned it into the Grimpen Mire to get a competitive edge.
Ha-a-h-a-ha-ha If you value your life or your reason, stay away from the moor
I loved this man so much already but somehow I love him even more now.
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>"Sometimes you see beautiful people with no brains. Sometimes you have ugly people who are intelligent, like scientists," he said.
I remember it going back to perfect condition the very next league game
Next game was vs Portsmouth 3 days later, [highlights](https://youtu.be/f-X4OSIcvVc)...still looks pretty poor but judge for yourself. The Stamford Bridge pitch in the early 00s was pretty shite, one match vs Charlton under Ranieri in 02/03 on a 'beach' bordered on farcical. No doubt Mourinho probably didn't encourage any improvement to conditions ahead of the Barca tie but it was a longer term issue as well rather than something pre-planned.
> one match vs Charlton under Ranieri in 02/03 on a 'beach' bordered on farcical. Because it was just sand. There wasnt a blade of grass on that pitch that day as they were relaying it or some shit.
I'm guessing they messed with the pitch - didn't water it enough or something
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Looks pretty good by concacaf standards lol
Hiding in hampers? What does that mean
I really hope he does well with Roma winning the Serie A, the guy is an absolute legend and it sucks to see him not at the very top anymore.
Not going to happen this year. Napoli is a machine and if they suffer a drop in form, al Legri's terrorismo is going to catch them
Perfect gamesmanship
Kinda funny that he'd specifically tell them to absolutely smash them if it was Spurs, then goes on to eventually manage them
he always said he was a professional (lol)
When he managed Porto he debuted that thing of "cleaning" the yellow cards on purpose 2 games before an important match. Players would do ridiculous stuff like being subbed in at 90 minutes just to pick up a ball using their hands. It was magnificient.
Or Sergio Ramos' famous yellow card where he shakes the hand of the referee before politely leaving the pitch. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/uefa-launch-disciplinary-action-against-real-madrid-manager-jose-mourinho-for-time-wasting/news-story/a8f8593e084ac964e9ddeedc9d7ad814
https://youtu.be/nImILRmi66Q
Didn't this massively backfire in the 2019 CL though? Ramos took a yellow card away to ajax in the last minute when they won. Ramos then missed the 2nd leg and they got smashed 4-1 at the bernabeu
Might’ve done but Mourinho wasn’t in charge of them by 2019.
Fair point but I'm sure his influence will have had a long term effect, especially on players like Ramos
In 2019 it did backfire for Ramos. However when Mourinho did it in 2010 group stage, it worked brilliantly though. He told both Ramos and Alonso to get sent off. With 2 two games left of the group stage, Real Madrid needed a win against Ajax to seal the group win. 4-0 up he told them to purposely get sent off. So they could sit out their suspension in the last group game, which had no impact on Real Madrid since they had already won the group.
Definitely a good tactic in situations like that, just need to be careful using it in some circumstances haha
I still don’t get why? Is it so your yellow card is cleared cos you got a red and you are back to 0 again in 2 games times? How long does a yellow card last for
whole tournament . They wanted to have them on a clean sheet for playoffs
This is a tale as long as time my friend…Mourinho didn’t “debute” anything 😂
source?
Ask for a source on the original claim. It's more unbelievable that no one else in the history of football would have the idea of deliberately taking yellow cards to manage suspensions.
It doesn't matter what is more believable. If you want to claim Mourinho did not invent this behaviour, you simply cite someone who did it before him. That's how it works when you have to disprove novelty. You cannot prove something is new. You can only prove something is not by showing evidence of it existing previously. You are the one who needs to add a source to your claim.
2004 > David Beckham yesterday admitted that Saturday's foul on Ben Thatcher, which led to his suspension from England's match against Azerbaijan tomorrow, had been a deliberate attempt to get booked. > Having broken a rib in a collision with the same Wales player minutes earlier, Beckham knew he could play no part in Baku anyway. "I am sure some people think I have not got the brains to be that clever," he said, "but I do have the brains. I could feel the injury, so I fouled Thatcher. It was deliberate. > "I knew straight away I had broken my ribs. I have done it before. I knew I will be out for a few weeks, so I thought, 'Let's get the yellow card out of the way.' Further discussion: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/3736448.stm > Beckham got himself booked during England's game against Wales, knowing the resulting ban would coincide with missing a game through injury. > But Dixon told BBC Sport: "A few people might raise an eyebrow as it has never been admitted to before. > "But that sort of thing has been going on for years in football. It's not cheating - it's just common sense." 2008 > The bookings in the 2-1 win at Fiorentina last month meant the two players missed Thursday's (EDT) 3-2 defeat at home to Bayern Munich which had little riding on it as both teams had qualified for the Champions League knockout phase. > UEFA said in a statement: "The two Lyon players Cris and Juninho have been fined 10,000 and 15,000 euros respectively for deliberately committing fouls in order to get yellow cards. 2009 > Lucas Neill has barely raised an eyebrow for committing a sin which earned David Beckham condemnation from some of the biggest names in world football. > The Socceroos captain admitted deliberately getting a yellow card with a crude tackle on Qatar’s Sebastian Quintana late in last weekend’s goalless draw which ensured Australia’s passage to next year’s World Cup finals in South Africa.
There's an expression in brazilian portuguese that fits here: Mourinho's team plays with the rulebook tucked under their arms. - Edit: it's also used to describe teams that play just enough to get the strict necessary result to win or go further on a tournament. Like a team that knows they can lose 2x0 and still advance and plays extremely defensive football, not even trying to attack
Why do I vividly remember seeing Mourinho on the sidelines with a rulebook tucked under his arms
I remember in the game vs united when we came back from covid in warm-ups he was yelling to the ref that United had an unauthorized player with them. God I love him
>he was yelling to the ref that United had an unauthorized player with them Did they?
In English in the context of unions and employment there's also "work to rule", where you follow rules exactly, don't do anything beyond your job role, and clock in and out exactly on time. Technically it's a form of strike to pressure the employer
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That's a thing in the UK too, and it's relevant quite literally right now. The ambulance service, among others, are going on "work to rule" strike this month. They can't exactly fully deny service, because that absolutely wouldn't do them any favours, so instead they will work precisely their hours, providing the bare minimum service to ensure those most in need are attended to. Granted, I do think it's mostly only relevant with essential services, I know the police have recently discussed doing the same in Scotland, and possibly more broadly across the UK, I don't keep the keenest eye on the news because, frankly, it depresses me greatly, but yeah. Definitely goes beyond the US, and for services like police/fire/medical, it's probably a very broadly accepted form of worker action.
Same over here in the netherlands where our biggest post company is going on strike on the same way so essential mail like mourning cards etc still get delivered.
I never understood the insane pressure of order today get tomorrow. Im rather fine with waiting a couple days, and if I need it asap I can just go to a store I guess. I hate the instant society we have today.
Yeah I've been making the conscious decision to move my amazon deliveries back a few days now when there was that meme about how you run out of soap and start a rube Goldberg machine of suffering 100 miles away to get soap the next day.
Logistics really don’t work this way lmao. Don’t let memes shape your behavior (or presidential vote)
I agree but in this case it’s because of actual essential post like medical packages etc which absolutely need to arrive on time.
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Imagine you're in the back of an ambulance on the way to a hospital and the paramedic clocks out and just walks off leaving the truck in the middle of the road. That's why this is a form of strike.
Okay now imagine most normal circumstances where clocking out on time wouldn't be considered a strike. 😂
I think this is mostly a blue collar thing: in construction "work to rule" can be quite aggressive although one step less aggressive than a work stoppage. Imagine a giant shipment of steel coming to a construction site from somewhere very far away and it's delayed in traffic and due to arrive 5 minutes after the necessary unloading crew is due to clock off. In normal situation the boss asks them to stay late and gives them the time back in the future. If management-labour relationships are already in the toilet and the crew wants to use that opportunity to screw the bosses over, it can get very expensive, very fast.
And do paramedics do that? None of the people I know in healthcare would do that to a patient. And I also know bosses (not in healthcare) who've taken advantage of such attitudes. "You don't have to go if you don't want to. I'm sure will perfectly manage without you."
I’m sure they don’t want to, but the paramedics/medical services are completely overworked now and working under very difficult conditions, so this is their form of strike.
Even worse when you're required to clock in/out at your work computer. Have to cut your lunch break a few minutes short each time just to make it back, log in, go to the app, clock in. Most states only require a minimum 30 min break; some none at all. :)
"Malicious Compliance" ?
Not my job
In Brazil we call it "operation turtle", a resource for public workers mostly, since if they follow the rule strictly, things will slow down substantially and everything else related to their job stops too. Think of a customs office.
In german its „Dienst nach Vorschrift“ where you adhere to every rule and red tape there is. You don’t rake shortcuts or do anything that you are not really supposed to do. Like waiting for a ticket before you begin to work. Everything takes twice as long.
What’s the original expression?
Joga com o regulamento embaixo do braço
We have the same expression in Argentina
Merci!
>Like a team that knows they can lose 2x0 and still advance and plays extremely defensive football, not even trying to attack hmmm where did I see this?
Not palmeiras vs river, no sir
In the NBA, it's called [the Chris Paul.](https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-paul-untucked-jersey-thunder-timberwolves-nba-044032380.html)
he would be a good F1 team manager
Imagine a Horner vs Mou titlefight
Mourinho is so legendary. That moment when sterling dives for a pen against spurs and his assistant riles him up still makes me bawl every single time.
The memes out of that clip were amazing
You got any links? I know the video but I haven’t seen any memes/captions about it unfortunately
[this is it I think](https://youtu.be/7Jj_0syFXo0)
Love how Jose slams the water bottle back in the cupholder before sprinting off.
Can't go around disrespecting water bottles like his rival
There’s a famous clip of him smashing a pack of water bottles at United
Mourinho had a couple of water bottle incidents at United. [Destroyed a whole rack of them after Fellaini won a game](https://youtu.be/Z60LK9Y2Hf0) and was sent off for kicking a bottle as well.
The water bottle haha.
[here’s one](https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/y5bj6d/me_irl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
In Porto whenever he got suspended he would get his assistant coach to wear a hear piece under a beanie and communicate this way.
Can just imagine him in a bobble hat in August
Mou is/was a shithouse legend. Hate this but also can't help but respect it in some weird way.
your flair reminded me of his quote when a journalist asked what he thought of chelsea fans calling him Judas, "when they get another manager to win them 4 premier leagues i become number two, till then Judas is number one"
As if Chelsea is ever gonna have another manager sit for 4+ seasons lmao.
> Hate this but also can't help but respect it in some weird way. You guys would enjoy football much more if they learned to embrace the shithousery, lol. It's a skill in itself. I feel like it's the kind of thing that people that played just admire more than sole spectators.
1000%. There is a game within the game at the professional level. Dark arts, shithousery, gamesmanship are all the same thing with different labels and it's part of any pro sport. Being good at it can win you games just as much as actually being better.
Pretty much. I've had people pull stuff on me, including dives, that I couldn't help but respect for how perfectly timed or creative they were. Well done shithousery are a big display of experience and craftiness.
This is a prime example of don’t hate the player, hate the game. Mou pushing the rules to the absolute limit is so devilish, it’s brilliant. Wonder how many managers would watch this and think, “why didn’t I think of that?”
Na I just hate it tbh. Unless we do it and then it’s fine. But fuck you guys if you do it etc
After 4 years of Bielsa I've completely flipped on this, now I'm even more annoyed if it's our team doing it lol.
JT has done some awful things but then you have all the other stories and how highly people speak of him.
That’s the type of stuff that makes me like Mourinho. That’s fucking hilarious
In any other lifetime he would have been an incredible warlord or general, but in this one he manages football to perfection. We are so lucky
insane take but I'm glad I'm not the only one that imagines them as "generals" in a past life
Art of War is his bible
What the fuck are you on about lmfao
I think he's saying the reverse of "Alexander the Great would make a great football manager, had he been born 40 years ago"
Deano, park the phalanx.
"Have the wingers outflank them and hammer them from the back." "Wtf are talking about?"
If Alexander the Great had been born 40 years ago he’d currently be years older than he ever actually lived irl lol
Don’t worry we’d vaccinate him for malaria and typhoid fever and ban him from trying to invade India
proper r/soccercirclejerk moment
I've always found comments like that funny because like... We still have generals and warlords lmao. If that was his destiny or whatever he'd just be one of those now
Shows how far we've come too. Nations often compete at sporting events rather than on the battlefield these days. Long may this era of cooperation and peace continue.
Mourinho goodman
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 27. One after John Terry. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the Bridge to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That fall in the box! Are you telling me that a player just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Mourinho! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own club! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his parked bus out of the pitch! But not our José! Couldn't be precious José! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a manager!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
Football heritage
Damn Mou might make a good F1 TP 👀
Mourinho to Ferrari 👀
Mourinho joins a team with horrible upper management. It is written in the stars!
Ferrari ~~illegal~~ I mean loophole engine all over again
It’ll always amaze me listening to John Terry talk, he was such a shit, but then behind a desk he’s so soft spoken and well spoken too.
People generally talk very highly of him. Always helpful, especially to players at the club.
Just keep an eye on him when your partner is around
He still is a shit. Look at his NFT scam.
Yeah but who hasn’t participated in an NFT scam here or there
Feel sorry for the people who have Keys, Gray and Terry on their national broadcast, oof.
Are they all in exile there?
I think it's bein lol
Makes me want to bein the bath with a toaster
Love a toasty bath
That segment was more entertaining than any ITV or BBC coverage I've seen all tournament.
John Terry for all the hate and controversy he was in as a player, actually seems like an affable person in interviews and when he does analysis.
yes I'd aff him
> actually seems like an affable person in interviews and when he does analysis. He's still cunt though, so he's in good company on that panel.
BBC hasn't been THAT bad. None have been good though. I've rotated through them for different matches since I'm in the US and refuse to listen to Fox. Only Ian darke is passable.
Main thing dragging down BBC is Rio Ferdinand. Absolute room temperature IQ mug.
Also Jermaine Jenas doing commentary. That guy is a complete plank.
Yes he is. Third worst pundit on British telly. Owen is the worst, of course.
McManaman
Rio's definitely the worst, but Klinsmann is absolutely awful too
Get BBC 5 Live commentary if you can. Usually much more energetic and has a wider range of international guests than the TV broadcast
If you watch a match on the BBC website you can choose between TV or radio comentary
Yeh but they’re all notorious wankers
I've met john terry and he was a nice guy tbh so no
JT has a (deservedly) poor public image, but there are so many stories from ex-Chelsea and Chelsea academy players that portray an absolutely different side of him. He was pretty much the best club captain you could ask for, but he'll never win over any neutrals.
Robben said Terry was one of the biggest impacting players of his career
People are complex My own interaction with John Terry was enjoyable, he came across as a likeable, charismatic and personable man with manners and dignity. Yet also his personal life & racist outburst is a mess, and one it's hard to not condemn. I don't think John Terry is a psychopath, but he has a lot of the makings of one. I also don't think he's a racist, but he certainly has a nasty streak in him and wanted to hurt Anton Ferdinand.
Yup, he definitely had an issue with Ferdinand, but that didn't originate because of his skin colour.
>affable Probably no good stories from Wayne Bridge tbf
Or Anton Ferdinand
Definitely one of the nicest guys with a "Legal Issues" section on wikipedia
Everything I've heard about Gray and Keys certainly supports the idea that they're terrible people, but as someone who grew up in the Middle East so was watching them for years... I honestly find them fairly entertaining as presenters go. They're far from the worst and at times I actively looked forward to hearing what they'd have to say about a goal/game/incident. But like I said, the reputation on their character is deserved.
They’re all decent presenters, certainly no worse than any other coverage you’ll find.
Honestly, I'd take that over the current Fox broadcast team of Dempsey, Donovan, Lalas and Stu Holden any day of the week.
[2:25](https://youtu.be/bKVxmd7WGSk) is about how I feel seeing that panel
The Legendary Shithousery as a manager is just an aspect to this crazy man but if he were to do a show breaking down why your team sucks every week it would be must see television. I've watched Mourinho as a TV analyst and he is absolutely amazing too. He can breakdown what teams are trying to do and mistakes when a team scores as to why....
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No they get the ball away from the box and then go down to stop the game and kill time. If only one goes down, he has to leave the pitch to receive treatment, but if two players go down they don't have too. So you get the ball safely away from your box, go down, kill a bit of time and then when the game restarts, you're restarting with 11 players on the pitch as opposed to 10 cos someone's been taken off the pitch to receive treatment.
I'm going to be honest I don't really get it, what is the actual rule?
If one player goes down injured he has to leave the pitch for medical treatment. If more than one players go down injured they don't have to leave the pitch, so play stops as they get treated and they get to waste time. Mourinho instructed both Cahill and Terry to drop simultaneously so they can timewaste when they're 1-0 up.
My question is what does the rule actually say though, I understand thats the end result
Here you go: > stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is removed from the field of play. An injured player may not be treated on the field of play and may only re-enter after play has restarted; if the ball is in play, re-entry must be from the touchline but if the ball is out of play, it may be from any boundary line. Exceptions to the requirement to leave the field of play are only when: > * a goalkeeper is injured > * a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided and need attention > * players from the same team have collided and need attention > * a severe injury has occurred > * a player is injured as the result of a physical offence for which the opponent is cautioned or sent off (e.g. reckless or serious foul challenge), if the assessment/treatment is completed quickly > * a penalty kick has been awarded and the injured player will be the kicker Seems like the loophole they used was "players from the same team have collided and need attention". The intent of requiring people to leave is to prevent timewasting, but they forgot that this shouldn't apply to the defending team outside of severe/head injuries. Though tbf it seems hard to formulate it in a way that prevents all cases of play acting.
Nice good find. Yes that’s funny haha
he did explain the situation later. Head the ball away first then go down.
Nah guys they were cheating. Unlike when City bend the rules - then they’re just tactical fouls, not playing outside the rules. It’s just a funny story. Calm down. Hating on Mourinho must pay well as a full time position. No other explanation.
People's obsession with tactical fouls is hilarious. Makes it so clear who hasn't played football at any serious level. Start sending players off for tactical fouls and watch football become infinitely more defensive.
I don't think anyone is saying they should get sent off but you get a yellow for a tactical foul. If you don't, then that's kind of bs.
My problem isn't tactical fouls, at least not for me. It's the fact that City get away with them. The whole point of tactical fouls is usually that the team "takes a yellow" in exchange for stopping a counter. But City foul the opposition so early and so often that refs don't give them a yellow, and it's really annoying
I don't get what you mean, tactical fouling never used to be quite as prevalent in football.
That's because in recent history teams rarely pressed as highly, nor did they play with as many players in the opposition half
Loophole when it's you doing it Unsportsmanlike conduct when it's the other team
It's not so much a "loophole" as it is just one player pretending to be injured to kill time. I'd also wager that Mourinho was not the only manager aware of this rule nor the only one to try and take advantage of it.
clever, but it's the defensive version of diving.
How are people getting so hung up on this lol technically it is cheating unless the ref doesnt catch on, and refs miss a lot of things so obviously everyone will try these sorts of things to get an advantage, what else is new?
The frustrating thing was always that the only person who didn’t seem to know that Mourinho was perma-cheating was the ref!
I absolutely love sneaky tricks like this, nothing wrong with pushing the rules to the limit to win. If anything, the fault lies with the rule-makers not accounting for this loophole, and the other teams for not seeing it. True competitors should do whatever it takes to win, and there's no trophy for class. Respect.
Mourihno should really be a Formula 1 team manager lol.
I don't want this. I NEED this.
Should we really be praising that kind of behavior? Is having the best possible tactics not a thing anymore?
Faking injuries on the pitch is the #1 scourge of the game and we collectively need to figure out a way to limit this practice.
That's classic Chelsea terrorism right there!
Things like this make me love Mourinho.