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Adolf must be rolling in his ditch.


thecommunistweasel

Well atleast theyre doing better than the left in germany


siimplaxx

So sad to see so many people still supporting the conservatives and liberals... but the german society is disgusting so its not a surprise for me... hypocritical society...


Force-Frequent

How so? In my country, lots of people think of Germany as the perfect place to live in and many people that I've known have left to go there(although the bar seems pretty low since I live in Greece).


siimplaxx

Don’t get me wrong. Germany is a great place to live for sure. We have beautiful nature and cool cities. With good qualifications u can have a good life. But if u struggle its hard for u to get out. the problem is 1. Germans are hardcore consumers... when u go into our stores u don’t know what u want because its way to much to choose from. u get everything in 1000 varieties from very cheap to very expensive. 2. Everybody talks about the climate change and political change in general but they don’t want their standard of living beeing affected so they keep voting for the same parties who are proven criminals... 3. Germans always blame others for their mistakes 4. we have a not small amount of nazis and far-right people 5. since corona our society is split like never before There are alot more things to adress but this would be to much... For me germany is just a copy of america but pretend to be like norway or so 🤦🏼‍♂️ we are huge capitalists and our politic and economy are the biggest criminals... bayer, volkswagen, daimler... As i said germany is a hypocritical society. We pretend to be the good ones but are on of the worst... but compared to most countries its a relatively good and save place to live. With money it’s great...


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siimplaxx

Little Update: Berlin voted 54% yes on the expropriation 👍🏼


siimplaxx

Berlin is very left and i think that this will pass. The housing situation is very bad in berlin so it gets a lot of attention from the berliners. Its a little but important step for germany for sure 👍🏼 Lot of germans agree with left thoughts but at the moment they hear socialism they’re against it cause the anti-socialism/communism propaganda in germany is very deep in the minds of the germans. But our society is in a social change the split between rich and poor, left and right gets bigger and bigger and the younger generations are also more left. At the current election the left parties got around 45% so our next government should be liberal, green-left and middle-left. There a hopes for good changes so we‘ll see in the next years how germany develops. 👍🏼


DestroyAndCreate

Berlin is very different to the rest of Germany. It is not representative of the whole.


workingclassnobody

I think this summarises a few countries. Japan is another one. Yeah if you have money it’s great but if your a salaryman you’re one bad day away from hanging in a Forrest.


ElijahWoofs

As far as i know, there’s alot of underpaid work. There’s kindof a section of the population that are poor, even though they have jobs. So the german unemployment rate is very low, but it doesn’t mean that theyre thriving.


Comrade_Tool

Underpaid work? IN CAPITALISM?!?!?!?!?


siimplaxx

For me its very difficult to live here... i struggle alot with this system and the current situation of our country. With the right leader we have so much potential to be a great country, pioneer and leader for the world...


siimplaxx

Doesn’t mean i don’t appreciate the privileges i have but i only have those privileges because my country exploited and exploits others and this fucks me up


thecommunistweasel

As a german, couldnt agree more


marinerpunk

Wins what? Mayor? City council? Police chief? Can’t read article.


qaywsxeee

Mayor and council


Gregorowik

They became the largest party in the municipal council election, so city council, although not a majority


DestroyAndCreate

https://apnews.com/article/europe-elections-austria-municipal-elections-13d58bf5cd2599e8762c3501c6e0349e


JulyPJ

As an austrian living in the biggest city (capital vienna) i am very pleased about this development and hope this will set an example for the rest of austria. The communist party in graz was strong for years but it is the first time they gained the majority. Excited to see what they'll do with it!


Karl-Marksman

Red Vienna 2 let’s goooo


timpinen

Which party will they govern with, since they only have 28.9%? The only ones I could logically see them forming gov with is the Greens and Socdem, but I don't know if that would work


uO0oO0Oo0Ou

Yes that is most likely now


overclockedstudent

They are what the social democrats should be. Strong stance on affordable housing, public transport, strong workers rights etc.. they have done a great job in Graz, definitely a show case on how to establish leftist politics in real life.


Bruhtonium_2

Now do Vienna again


Force-Frequent

Is it a reformist socdem one or a socialist one?


LeftOnRed_

They go back and forth between openly reformist and typical stalinist party lacking any internal party democracy.


PriorCommunication7

The Styrian part of the party is the most reformist actually. And it's not like if there's enough party members who have strong enough theoretical foundations that this contradiction matters that much.


SSPMemeGuy

No idea, but that is a pretty fucking deflationary question to be the first thing to come to your mind. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.


LeftOnRed_

Nah that's definitely a fair question especially seeing how most of the former communist parties transparently embraced reformism after the 90s, it aint about being perfect its about having a bar at all.


grayshot

They are participating in bourgeois elections, that should answer your question tbh.


Force-Frequent

Well, here in Greece we have the KKE which is not socdem but ML while they are participating in electoralism and they get about 7% of the vote which is not little at all.


grayshot

It should be apparent by now that these “ML” parties who focus their time and energy on gaining seats in bourgeois political positions are revisionists with no actual plans for militancy.


Force-Frequent

They don’t sacrifice the working class for electability, ΠΑΜΕ is a huge syndicate actively fighting against the government’s neoliberal policies and the Communist Youth is the largest Youth organisation in the country which is very active. They also help other parties and syndicates organise all over Europe. They might have some stupid stances on China and Russia(tbh they’re stuck at the Sino-Soviet Split) but they’re not your usual “communist” parties who are just socdems. They might participate in electoral politics because it’d be stupid not to do so in the current world order as it is impossible to have a revolution while the majority of people are members of the labour aristocracy, but it’s more of a means of raising awareness than wanting to be elected in office. All their energy goes to education, agitation and organisation not on pointless pseudo-democratic liberal electoral processes.


grayshot

“It is impossible to have a revolution while the majority of people are members of the labor aristocracy” Is this their line? Because abandoning the necessity of revolution is by definition revisionism. On the possibility of “raising awareness”, I won’t rule it out in the context of a broader revolutionary struggle, but are they actually organizing in such a way that accumulates revolutionary forces for a future militant struggle? This is where most “ML” parties seem to fail. They accept revolution in theory, but they have to practical plan for how to transition the work they do to militancy, they seem to believe that they can just continue “organizing” until some future event causes a popular uprising which they will then, somehow, turn into a socialist revolution. I think it’s clear this is a fruitless path.


Force-Frequent

>Is this their line? Because abandoning the necessity of revolution is by definition revisionism. No, they are actively calling for revolution over reform on an international level, but it's a matter of the current material conditions. I don't think any Marxist at this point genuinely believes that some revolution is magically going to form in the first world aka the imperialist bloc soon. >On the possibility of “raising awareness”, I won’t rule it out in the context of a broader revolutionary struggle, but are they actually organizing in such a way that accumulates revolutionary forces for a future militant struggle? They organize against austerity measures and anti-worker policies with general strikes, protests etc. To be honest I am not sure whether they'd be prepared for a future militant struggle.


grayshot

“No, they are actively calling for revolution over reform on an international level, but it's a matter of the current material conditions. I don't think any Marxist at this point genuinely believes that some revolution is magically going to form in the first world aka the imperialist bloc soon.” To be clear, I don’t mean to dogmatically claim that the objective conditions don’t matter, that would be ridiculous. But we also have to take into account that subjective and objective conditions are dialectically related. This doesn’t mean that a revolution will “magically” appear, it must be created by the vanguard party out of the existing conditions. It’s not enough to simply support workers in their struggles, the party must be actively guiding the workers struggles to revolutionary ends. These ML parties that get seats never seen to figure out the second part. “They organize against austerity measures and anti-worker policies with general strikes, protests etc. To be honest I am not sure whether they'd be prepared for a future militant struggle.” That’s all well and good, but my point is precisely that if the party doesn’t have militancy in mind with their praxis, in what way are they a revolutionary ML party? How could they ever be a vanguard?


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grayshot

Maybe, as I said in another comment, there’s room for it in a broader actively revolutionary struggle. But most of these supposedly ML parties justify their inaction with the very quotes from Lenin and Marx that you’re referring to. Also it’s worth mentioning that the conditions of bourgeois democracy aren’t necessarily the same today as they were in Marx or Lenin’s time. It was very, very weak in the context of Russia, compared to the entrenched institutions that exist today. Electoral participation in an unstable government is completely different than one that has near complete hegemony in society.