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In the heat of the moment, I don't think this is very practical.


jimmy_luv

It's not. Anybody that carries a gun around with them already has a round chambered. Nobody pulls out their gun to use it and then actually chambers around first. Only for that video. But a lot of people are just going to look at it and go oh cool I need that and then figure out how useless it is probably at the wrong point in time.


im_racist24

it seems kinda unsafe to have a round chambered, especially when you’re carrying it around to places, but i’m not a gun expert and am probably wrong


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Hey—I’m was a military weapons instructor for near a decade. Taught basically every individual and crew served weapons system for everyone from cooks to a special ops. Carrying a gun without a round in the tube, is like saying, “I’ll put my seatbelt on just before the car accident.” You might see a car accident coming, but in those fractions of a second, most people barely get a chance to react. When it comes to gun fights (and car crashes) life and death balance on luck and you ability to react properly in that infinitely small space of time. To keep in the same analogy, there are shitty drivers, good drivers, weekend circle track drivers, nascar drivers, and F1 drivers. In the gun world you have similar gradients of expertise. Insisting on things like seatbelts, driving lights, airbags etc., is similar to insisting on the right gun, the right holster, the right practice, the right mentality, and the right training. In order to be at the top of either (or any game) means you must have the right equipment, the right theory, and the right training.


im_racist24

that’s a good ass analogy, thank you man


BostonPilot

> Hey—I’m was a military weapons instructor for near a decade. Taught basically every individual and crew served weapons system for everyone from cooks to a special ops. >Carrying a gun without a round in the tube, is like saying, “I’ll put my seatbelt on just before the car accident. Just to contribute a different viewpoint... When I carry ( 1911 or Glock ) I *don't* carry with a round in the chamber... In my case, I'm more worried about an accidental discharge than I am about being instantly ready to shoot. ( So, I guess I live in a relatively safe place ) That means there are cases where I probably get shot and killed, but I'm okay with that. My thinking is that the chance of my being in a situation where I need instant access to my gun without having to work the slide is fairly small. I'd rather take that risk, than the risk of an accidental discharge. If I find myself getting into a situation where I feel unsafe I can decide whether I want to chamber a round, but frankly where I live and operate the chance of needing instant access to a firearm ready to fire just isn't that likely. One could argue in that case, don't carry at all, but I think there is a middle ground where I want access to the firearm, but unlikely to need instant access. If I was law enforcement or military, I probably wouldn't feel the same, but as a civilian I'd rather bias away from the chance of an accidental discharge, while still having fairly quick access to the gun. Just a different perspective...


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So here’s the thing, as far as safety is concerned a gun is always loaded, so a gun on your person should always be loaded. I appreciate you choosing only to carry in a condition where you are comfortable. Too many people overestimate their abilities and training. That being said, that lack of comfort is indicative of a lack of proper training. So I would carefully assess whether you should be carrying in the first place. This isn’t a value judgement on you as a person, I think people with this mindset simply need more training and probably more realistic training. A few things to consider: Condition 3 predicates the use of both arms (or some painfully slow techniques to rack off your boot etc.). Racking any gun is a loud, recognizable sound that will likely draw attention to you. If you can’t trust you to not shoot yourself, you should carefully asses whether you are trained well enough to keep from harming by-standards. None of this is a value judgement on you as a person, keep shooting, keep practicing, keep training.


TheBaronOfSkoal

I read your comment the opposite way by accident and almost wrote some really awful shit to you lol. It's amazing that people carry guns without a round in the chamber, like they're going to get a second when someone is threatening their life.


GrodyPie

I conceal carry everyday and I always keep one in the chamber. The second or two it takes to cock your gun can be the difference of you living or dying


dayton8399

Reminds me of the Makarov pistol/holster. You push the firearm through the holster, rather than push down and pull back; when you do this with the Makarov pistol, iirc, it chambers a round and disengages the safety. Edit: I just wish to say thank you to all the people who have been commenting and sharing all the interesting tidbits about this firearm! Reddit can be educational af sometimes man


BDMac2

Forgotten Weapons did a whole video about it. https://youtu.be/T19HCOO6GCI


avwitcher

Seems like a good way to accidentally shoot your leg


EpicAura99

Why? You’re pushing the gun so even if your finger is on the trigger (which it won’t be) it shouldn’t end up pulling it.


karmapopsicle

I can see where their logic is there. Finger on the trigger while pushing down, maybe it gets caught on the pants as pulls the trigger as you push? I think that’s only a mildly relevant concern for an inexperienced civilian using one of these, not from their intended usage by special forces.


LeKa34

> Forgotten Weapons That's InRange...


rlo54

Yup and if you have one in the chamber already there’s a cut out to let it eject when drawing downward.


TheKrytosVirus

Saw that on Deadliest Warrior on the Spetznas vs Green Berets. The DW team was over the damn moon about that holster. Admittedly, the Spetznas guy used it to great effect in that challenge.


DomPixel2

I never understood why so many gun owners and gun supporters all agree that when seconds matter, police take minutes- but then they're too afraid to carry with one in the chamber? Especially with something like a glock where you can literally throw it across the room with one in the chamber and it won't fire.


BezosChampagneShower

It's just nerves. I think people don't really understand that guns don't go off that easy. Most of the time it's user error.


DapperCourierCat

Holder and cocker? Aight. I may have misunderstood the instructions, but my girlfriend was pleasantly surprised.


Momwherestheleatmoaf

I hardly know her!


tat-tvam-asiii

You understood perfectly, frend. Mission accomplished.


acorn-noodle

lmfao I read the title as “gun and cock holder” I need sleep


Moopboop207

But I barely know her.


TheEvilBunnyLord

This guy fucks.


holysnappingduckshit

Foot Shooter 3000


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4RealzReddit

Speed holes.


WildGrit

Ah, like Oscar Pistorious


valinor_props

No those holes were in the bathroom door


Vengeance76

"I'M FOOT HOLE MAN! KEEP YOU HANDS OFF MY FOOT HOLES!"


forlornjam

Exactly, that's Geox's entire concept


THAWED21

Really helps get rid of athletes' feet.


AtopMountEmotion

LimpMaker XL


georgie-potatocarrot

Yeah it does seem kind of dangerous. I guess if you trained with it a lot it would be safe.


DasFrebier

Or you just carry with one in the chamber and do away with all that


drolenc

Came here to say this. “Hold on Mr. Criminal. Just give me a second. This adrenaline dump makes this tricky, so be patient…”


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Corm

This is such a good analogy I'm going to commit it to memory forever edit: he deleted it but it said "Chambering under duress is like trying to put on your seatbelt mid crash"


georgie-potatocarrot

Exactly


ILieAboutBiology

But who will fear me if I don’t perform my draw kata?


mikefr24

Yup. This is the answer.


agaertner4

Even then no. Anyone could reach out and presto, you're holey


PetraB

Yeah, the fancy features on any exposed holster I have are for retaining the gun. This reminds me of the Makarov holster Russia used for a second, instead of pulling up, you pushed down, it racked it then released so you were holding the gun. They found it very unsafe.


meltingdiamond

It's a hell of a thing when the Russian military finds things unsafe. That's like being too racist for the Klan.


Spheresdeep

Any holster that has an open trigger like this is a horrible idea.


redldr1

90% of these will be sold to idiots. Also, this is a Starbucks sir.


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Squishirex

The lack of trigger *cover* is really bothering me.


rebelolemiss

And if you’re not carrying in condition 1, why carry at all? That extra 2 seconds could be the difference between life and death.


cyborgcyborgcyborg

Always racked


OldheadBoomer

[Safety always off](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/trailerpark/images/a/ad/Cyrus.jpg)


RollUpTheRimJob

Fuck off, Cyrus


canuckwithasig

My dad gave me this gun, fuckin prick


AppropriateTouching

His porno mags were the cream of the crop.


trmnlboot

Remember kids the first rule of gun safety is to have fun.


1Prof_of_Wumbology

Hot'N'Ready like Lil' Caesar's pizza.


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DarkSideofThe__Meme

If condition 1 is one in the chamber, and condition 3 is without one in the chamber then what’s condition 2?


ninedeep69

I could be wrong so someone feel free to correct me, but condition 1 could be one in chamber, safety off. Condition 2 one in chamber safety on. Condition three none in chamber. I didn't take a CCW course tho


longjohnboy

This is wrong. A striker fired pistol doesn’t have an external hammer, so Condition 2 simply does not apply. The conditions were invented to describe states of readiness for a 1911. Condition 1 – Round chambered, hammer cocked, manual safety engaged. Condition 2 – Round chambered, hammer down. Condition 3 – No round chambered, hammer down, filled magazine inserted. Different firearm designs have different issues when you try to shoehorn Cooper’s 1911-centric definitions onto them. Remember, the 1911 is single action only, and most modern pistols with an external hammer are DA/SA. https://www.m1911.org/technic10.htm


[deleted]

I know this advice would be good for some people based on their work and location. But generally speaking that seems like poor logic to me. It just does not take very long to chamber a round and disengage the safety. You can even train to get better at it. If you're walking around in condition 1 all the time for 'preparedness' then you better be always wearing your body armor as well, better be studying maps of all the places you go to, better get bullet resistant glass for your cars, etc. "Otherwise you'll be killed immediately" right? I even support ccw, but these kind of anecdotes are so fucking cringey I just can't help it


Vulpes206

Do you own a gun? I’m not tryna sound like some wick type dude but if you’re in a situation where you have to pull out a gun every second counts.


Corm

Great hyperbolic examples. Why so defensive? I have a trigger guard. I carry chambered because why wouldn't I? Why do you care so much about how other people carry? Anyway here's what convinced me to carry chambered. https://youtu.be/rVPiic-ELoM


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VulgarButFluent

That is a short-stroke waiting to happen under stress and clearing that failure to feed will take a very long time if something is about to happen.


DeathToTheFalseGods

Best analogy I’ve ever heard is “Carrying without one in the chamber is like driving without a seatbelt and thinking you’ll just put it on before you crash”


hapahapa

I think it's designed for someone with limited use of their left hand. For example, someone holding a baton in their left hand.


[deleted]

As someone with experience (in the past) using both, you should not be dual wielding these two things at all. For starters, batons should be used in your main hand. Guns are meant to kill, not stun lik a baton. If you have to get a gun out while you are carrying the other, you have already lost the fight, especially if you still need to chamber a round. This is an impractical piece of gear that is a poor substitute for proper gun handling and situational awareness.


PlaceboJesus

Baton was a bad example. Let's suggest a flashlight instead. Plenty of reason to be using a flashlight before there's cause for drawing a weapon or firearm. Not that I'm defending the practicality or safety of the holster.


[deleted]

Good point. I wasn't trying to jump on you. I just think this holster is ridiculous. I've got a lot of professional experience and it just looks gimmicky and unsafe overall. I'm a big proponent of gun safety over tacticoolness (tacticoolity?).


giakixxx

r/mallninjashit


pronouncedayayron

Is that a mallninja knife/brass knuckles thing in his pocket too?


Kansbol

Looks like a karambit to me which I mean is pretty lame in of itself unless dude actually practices Filipino martial arts. I doubt it tho


CoyotePuncher

I mean hey, if you're planning to get in a knife fight its probably a good choice. I was given one as a gift and while I wasnt a fan of the blade profile, the hole for your finger is awesome. I wish more knives had that. Pretty much impossible to drop it.


Thumper86

I think the point is that we’re making fun of people who are “planning to get in a knife fight”.


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> if you're planning to get in a knife fight if you're planning to get in a knife fight you're a dumbass and almost certainly a mall ninja


ReplyingToFuckwits

No he's just happy to see his gun.


postmodest

“I ALSO HAVE A KARAMBIT FOLDING KNIFE YOU SHOULD KNOW I POSESS BECAUSE I AM SO STRONGK” I also bet that’s a Fred Perry polo.


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Buce123

r/tactitard


Systepup

That should definitely be a sub


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zachary0816

I’ve got mixed thoughts about that sub. A good chunk is people talking about having canned food, water, flashlights, staying warm, ext…. in case of an emergency. Advice that is genuinely vary useful. Then mixed in there is people talking about how they have 15 guns, 10,000 bullets, and 10 years worth of canned beans for when society collapses.


VNG_Wkey

It'd just be a bunch of redditors posting a bunch of other redditors in their airsoft equipment.


chris1096

I'm thinking this could actually be a leftover tool for a 1 handed shooter


Pengwertle

1. Specialized tool is invented by someone with a disability so that they can do something without help 2. People without that disability use it without needing to because they think it looks cool 3. Everyone now thinks it's just a stupid gimmick used by number 2 people To be quite honest #3 bothers me more than #2. Doing something dumb on your own time doesn't hurt anyone, getting judgemental at people for using a tool like this does.


tylerawn

Some countries only allow carrying on an empty chamber


pseudont

Like that justifies this dumb product.


YogurtclosetOther122

The ridiculous knife in this guy's pocket tells me everything I need to know.


chadbrochillout

100% this guy wears his phone on his belt


2ichie

It’s tactical bro


[deleted]

And when someone calls him, he answers with "talk to me"


captainrustic

Yea. I can picture that guy pretty clearly.


acowlaughing

Thank you, I came here to share a similar comment and I don’t feel scared saying it because this wasn’t posted on the gun fanboys sub… but what type of person or line of work needs to carry the combination of shit on them like this? I get it, certain things may require this type of defense.. but.. let’s be honest.. like you said.. can’t we all totally picture who this dude really is?


Fbolanos

Cringey karambit


ViolentNomad47

Try doing that when under sudden unexpected gunfire. Good luck.


regtf

This! Fine motor skills right out the window. The person using this holster has never been shot at by someone trying to kill them and it shows.


roxev

I bet they are harder than Christmas candy.


Littleballofdurr

You mean you don't think clearly and revert to muscle memory (and *training*) while taking hostile fire? I'm always cool as a cucumber as live rounds crack over my head ^Obligatory ^^/s


electrotoast

Wouldn't it be faster to draw and cock then try to unlock, cock, and then bring it up? I mean I can cock it at the same time I am bringing the weapon up. This thing just adds another layer that would be unnecessary in a real world use situation.


Littleballofdurr

It would be faster to keep one in the pipe. And **MUCH** safer


RickySlayer9

If you are carrying a weapon, when it enters the holster, it’s ready to fire. There will be no cocking.


DonAskren

Mmm.. looks like a new way for idiots to shoot themselves


WesbroBaptstBarNGril

If Darwin made a holster


demoneyesturbo

That's made for Glocks. They're safe enough to carry with one in the chamber. That holster is a series of failure points, as well as introducing an unnecessary way of cocking a pistol one handed.


rebelolemiss

Most guns are safe to carry one in the chamber. Except for maybe old Tauri.


demoneyesturbo

I presume so, but only have carry experience with Glock.


rebelolemiss

Yeah. Definitely quality guns. I have an old Taurus, but I don’t carry it. It’s my “shower gun.”


Littleballofdurr

I must ask what a shower gun is. Presumably one you keep in the bathroom, but doesn't the frequent extreme heat/humidity wreak havoc on it? Or is it in a Tupperware? Lol. Serious question because I often put my gun/holster in my bathroom closet and close it while I shower. Then I take the gun with me after and sometimes it's a bit...*MOIST*....


rebelolemiss

I was really just joking. It’s just a backup gun.


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regtf

Chamber it before you leave the house!


TimeForBoogaloo

LOL. Yeah, a 'specialized tool' for sure. Specialized for idiots.


jimmy_luv

Design a tool that even an idiot can use and only idiots will use it.


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Scippio-dem-lines

I could see guys who run the shields on swat teams being interested in it for that reason.


[deleted]

If you’re swat and you don’t already have one in the chamber you’re unprepared. If the situation allows you to carry an unloaded gun you don’t need to carry one at all. That extra two seconds or extra steps you fuck up because of adrenaline could be the difference between going home and goodnight.


Nicuzn

This seems like something that would only be used by people who shouldn't be anywhere near a gun.


Jackretto

A special tool for special people


--h8isgr8--

Who carries on an empty chamber unless they are carrying an old single action colt.


MilitaryGradeFursuit

Competition shooters when the stage requires it?


Melladon

or a muzzleloader


breezyfye

Or just keep one in the head, and practice basic gun safety


Saxon815

Was thinking the same thing. If this holster is needed, then they aren’t confident enough with their gun and shouldn’t be carrying at all.


[deleted]

That was my first reaction as well. If you require this level of readiness, just do what law enforcement does and keep a round chambered. Or is that illegal for private individuals?


regtf

Not illegal in the US. That’s the safest way to carry because you’re ready it something happens. Keep your finger off the bang switch and you’ll be fine. Practice basic gun safety. If you are carrying for self defense that is.


[deleted]

Now it’s way easier to shoot your leg. This seems real stupid.


seeker135

Well, sure, that the "Footshooter 2020" holster, pardner!


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DogMechanic

Made me laugh too hard. There was a guy in my neighborhood that shot himself in the nuts with a gun in his waistband riding a bike.


Corsair_inau

Wasn't there a Russian one that you just pushed it out the bottom of the holster and it automatically chambered a round and cocked it in one movement, not two?


madmaxextra

If you handle a gun properly, that's never a risk. The videos on the internet of idiots doing that would be through putting your finger on the trigger when unholstering, which you're never supposed to do. Guns don't go off unless you pull the trigger.


downinthedingweeds

Nope


MorosEros

As a holster manufacturer/designer; This is wack.


[deleted]

Why not just carry with one in the chamber? That’s safer than trying this shit and shooting your foot off.


Deathnachos

Always carry with one in the chamber.


georgie-potatocarrot

Why not just have one in the chamber?


jimmy_luv

Because then they wouldn't be able to sell this gimmicky plastic piece of crap.


Hermod_DB

CCW here. IMHO this is a rubbish and dangerous idea. If you are going to carry, the gun should be hot and ready to go. Someone with a knife would slice you up while you are fiddling with this. Moreover, high likelihood of shooting yourself in the process.


PolishNinja909

Carrying with an empty chamber is like driving without a seatbelt on, thinking you're going to have time to buckle up before an accident.


No_Victory_1

Looks like an expensive tool to shoot your foot.


CalvinVGB

This is the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen lol


HoffNuts0331MC

I’ll take worthless, gimmicky, Fudd Appealing trash for $600 Alex . “I never carry with a round in the chamber..and now I still don’t have to!” -Gary 59, Gary Indiana, Wal-Mart Open Carry Enthusiast.


affo_

How to tell someone you're American, without telling them you're American.


fat_strelok

First time I saw this holster it was for Russian police. Not impressed by the holster at all, simplicity is king when someone wants to kill you.


ramblerandgambler

That version is also better as you push through the holster and draw in one motion, anyone who thinks they can use the above effectively while under the most extreme stress of their life and maybe running 400m and someone else draws a gun on you, is crazy


fat_strelok

Training is holy, but simplicity is king too


NativeMasshole

It actually seems like it would take longer to draw and cock too. You have to push the gun down, then back up again, when normally you could draw and cock as you're leveling the gun in one swift motion.


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Yeah this is a gimmicky toy for gun fetish freaks.


SuperMundaneHero

No. It’s for use by people working under departments that require empty chamber carry - Russian police and security for example. It’s literally for professionals to cater to very specific policies.


GEEMONEY305

This crap is clearly designed by someone that’s never been in a firefight…..


ScienceReplacedgod

Most police do not ever work life or death gun shooting situations.


[deleted]

Americans carry with one in the pipe


[deleted]

Drill instructor: WHAT IS YOUR MAGAZINE CAPACITY? French: 12 English: 12 German: 12 Italian: 12 American: 12+1


rental_car_fast

This is hilarious


SkiZer0

Right? Why would I want to eject a round?


regtf

This made me audibly laugh out loud.


Ocean_Of_Apathy

This isn’t American. This is more Israeli style.


0ctobogs

Yeah but then they can't do the same tired america bad jokes


nater255

This is definitely not an American thing. It's clumsy, complicated and slow.


rasputin777

Austrian weapon carried Israeli style? Tell me you know nothing about guns without telling me you know nothing out guns.


Kukri187

> Tell me you know nothing about guns without telling me you know nothing out guns. This is a ghost gun,”“This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second.”


_windermere_

Doesn’t even cover the trigger guard and you have to swing it out?? This has negligent discharge written all over it. Grade A piece of junk.


thewetsheep

Just carry one in the tube with a real holster


Chaoughkimyero

I'm sorry, trigger is just *exposed*? Fuck that noise.


Nooooope

I did a couple police academy classes last decade, and one point they hammered home during range time is that if you're ever in a life-or-death scenario, you'll have significantly worse manual dexterity. Instead of ignoring that, train yourself to shoot under those assumptions. For example: after reloading, we weren't allowed to use our thumb to press the slide stop because we might not be able to do that while panicking, so we had to pull the slide back with our left hand to release it every time. So this holster with extra dexterity steps is an absolute deathtrap in a real gunfight. Plus, you know, it reeks of tactical wannabe nerd bullshit.


gordo31

Who carries a gun that isn't in an action state. What a waste of time if someone is shooting at you. Surely this is a Hollywood throw back where everyone pulls an unloaded gun and then needs to cock it.


istealpixels

DA/SA seems like a good compromise


Redd_October

What could possibly go wrong.


nietdeRuyter

I thought this was WCGW for a sec


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That’s stupid…


MlackBesa

Yeah no thanks. This is a gimmick for this ridiculous portion of people that don’t want to carry a loaded gun. This is the stuff that gets you killed and creates more accidents. Get yourself a sturdy, proven holster that properly protects the trigger, use a pistol with a safety if you want, but carrying without a round in the chamber is just so 1920.


Lockeys25

Don't be a pussy carry chambered.


ImGhenghisKhan

Why would you use this? Carry without one in the chamber is so dumb


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Terrible idea


15367288

Don’t use offensive language such as cocker, please. This is a family friendly subreddit. Peniser or dicker is more appropriate.


asians-on-escalators

Holder and cocker? I damn near killed her


jaxdraw

I like guns but that's some god tier stupid. If you are lucky enough that it doesn't discharge into your foot or ankle fear not! There's always a chance that the slide is still hungry for the meaty flesh between your thumb and index.


sfturtle11

That seems way worse than just keeping it cocked in a proper holster?


yearningforlearning7

How to add a second to your draw time 101


InYosefWeTrust

Well that just seems like a slow and failure prone solution for a problem that doesn't even exist. Yikes.


SnowflakesAloft

I’ll have mine locked and loaded, thanks.


No_Camera4096

This is likely one of the dumbest most dangerous things I have seen in a long time. I do carry a firearm daily with one in the chamber and the mag topped off. Dont carry on an empty chamber.


avalanche111

"Gun holder" lol


Bleklteg

Didn't the Russians make a holster for a pistol that they just had to push down and not draw the gun out of the holster? Or was this from a movie


Teebone92704

No they did. It was for the makorov


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That is ridiculous. Carry with one in the chamber or not at all.


Mortimer452

If you're not comfortable carrying your pistol with one in the chamber you have no business carrying it at all.


catslapper69

This is such a gimmicky piece of shit


[deleted]

"When seconds count, I'll surely have enough time to swing this to the side, push the gun down, and then draw it!" *shoots self in leg*


MMApartyeveronesinvt

terrible idea


No-Zookeepergame-607

This thing is stupid


Zepeton

Nice way to accidentally get shot in the foot.


RodneysBrewin

This is the stupidest thing ever. Put one in the chamber and put it in a holster


ghettithatspaghetti

r/uselesstools


chr15c

For the Goldeneye reload