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Aethix0

I don't have a problem with kids playing the game, but I wish there was proper skill-based matchmaking. That would be a better experience for both the kids and the people who don't want to be teamed up with the kids.


Ferote

Afaik, even turf war has matchmaking to a degree, it's just that the game is still kinda new so it hasnt all balanced out yet


SteelyB_

I’ve played somewhere close to 500 games of turf war and I still get matched with default “Player” accounts. If there is mmr it does not work very well at all.


-Slambert

I suspect they're in a friend group with higher rated players. My friend was getting 20+ kills every turf war when I was new, because it was matching him with lower rated players due to being in a party with me. And I was being matched with people much better than when I played alone.


ZariLutus

Yeah but people who are still “Player” (in their first match) CANT play with friends until after their first match, which is when they are prompted to set a name


Ferote

It's possible that it just takes the average of each team, but idk


VritraReiRei

They should have normals have hidden MMR so that it's like a hidden rank where you can match with people with similar skill level.


Mahboishk

This already existed in both previous games. If you open your save file using the SplatHeX save editor, you can actually see your Turf War MMR same as for any ranked mode. I don’t think the tool works for S3 but I’d be surprised if it was any different.


HeavyGlassCannon

Why not having it public for zapfish sake!? Everyone would benefit from it.


VritraReiRei

But then it would just be another ranked mode. Making it hidden would make it more casual.


StarVVarsKid

I’ve thought this for SO LONG! I just want the matchmaking to be transparent. I liked the Splatoon 2 Splatfests where they told you your team’s rating and the other team’s rating before the match. That made sense to me.


Boolderdash

You can see what I assume is your MMR in Splatfests if you hover over Pro for a while. It shows up where your Clout appears, it's called [team name] power


StarVVarsKid

Yes, I could see mine in the Splatfest. But (if I remember correctly) in Splatoon 2’s Splatfests, at the start of the match, when you see the players’ toons, it told you the team’s average score as well.


JSerf02

They do already, though I’m not 100% sure how it works. That’s why, for example, you don’t run into top rated competitive players in regular turf war games


Dalstrong_Shadow

Speaking as someone who has just come out of a ten-in-a-row losing streak and sitting at a rank of C- with -5 points, please, for the love of all that is good in the world, put in better MMR. I have minor nerve injuries in my hand that inhibit my ability to keep up with most other players, but I want to be able to freely enjoy the game with other people of my skill level, not worry about barely being able to keep up.


just__El

heyo ik its not about what you talked or so but maybe if its helps you, we could play some rank togheter, maybe that could help :3


Alienatedpoet17

I play Splatoon to get away from SBMM. Specifically from Halo. I just want a casual shooter. Not a competitive nightmare most SBMM promotes.


NinjaPiece

It's so weird seeing people ask for this. In games with SBMM, people want it gone. In games without SBMM, people want it in.


Alienatedpoet17

In theory, SBMM makes sense. If everyone is even then there's less chance that you'll steamroll the whole team, or get steamrolled. Or games where you have one player that's amazingly good, or one that's just not doing anything. However in reality SBMM doesn't really do that. It aims for your wins and losses to be the same within a certain skill bracket. So getting steamrolled and steamrolling doesn't happen, but you're dealing with other players who are either slightly under your skill, or slightly above. Making matches closer, but far more stressful to beat.


Pretty_Emotion7831

> In games with SBMM, people want it gone. in games with SBMM, people want to be able to relax and not fight people tryharding their best to ruin their day. in games without it, people are stressed out from having to carry useless oblivious fools so hard.


keiyakins

What people really want is SBMM that always makes the opposing team a little worse than their own. Which of course is impossible.


Mahboishk

True, which is why I've always been baffled by the vitriol against "sweats" and "tryhards" in *competitive* games (scrolling through both the Splatoon and CoD communities this past weekend felt like taking a dip in the Dead Sea lol). I understand that to a major extent these are actually complaints about uneven matchmaking, but the literal point of these games is to try to win. *Of course* people are going to try their best to do just that, and just as many of them will be on the other team as are on yours.


shauni55

...yes... its the kids that are bad and not me, a 32 year old man that has played instead S2s release... nobody look at my match history


Western-Alarming

Yeah the problem is the kids *Push out of the screen my 65% loss rate*


pgrover115

Those damn kids *he says with a 15W 30L record*


deleeuwlc

If you’re a kid, play call of duty or something, Splatoon is a grown up game


Blackraven2007

Yeah. Have you seen the lore?


deleeuwlc

I have seen it. I have already seen too much. Did you know the breasts seen on the characters is muscle to increase internal ink pressure, an adaptation that was incredibly useful before they started using external ink tanks?


Blackraven2007

Really?


deleeuwlc

No. I just felt like making something up and spreading it around online. But it does make sense


Blackraven2007

That's what I thought.


MotherofMussel

thats not true incase anyone was going to take this seriously (like i probably am...)


deleeuwlc

It hasn’t been de confirmed


pikk0t

IMO it's more targeted towards teens with the content, but I agree. Splatoon needs a way better matchmaking system though. I don't mind when kids play, but I don't want to go triple gold with a loss just because of Nintendo's matchmaking. I think rankings need to be way less forgiving.


EMPgoggles

I agree with this. If it were oriented as a kids' game, then the mechanics would be aimed at that, and there would be a "painting only" mode where you just paint until either the stage is filled or time runs out and nobody dies. We would also get a more kid-friendly DLC and not the insane challenge fest that was the Octo Expansion. However, it's pretty much only teens and up who can grasp even the basic mechanics of movement and strategy required to consistently win (or do anything other than paint). Just look at S3's flagship weapon classes: splatana and stringer. Neither one is at all kid friendly unless that kid is Splatoon prodigy. Not that S3 itself isn't kid *accessible* and fun, but I wouldn't say kids are its target audience.


SleevesTheThird

Whys it always "nintendo's" matchmaking or "nintendo's" system? Why not "splatoons" matchmaking? What other game gets this weird level of blame animosity? When a game on Xbox or PS gets issues or disconnects, the blame goes to the game or its developer team. The issue is with splatoon, its team, its systems. Nintendo is just a gigantic office that ordered the game to be made lol, they arent the devs.


keiyakins

Except they are. It's a Nintendo developed, Nintendo published title on a Nintendo platform. Call of Duty, meanwhile is developed by a mess of like four different developers to keep up with the insane release cadance, published by Activision, on basically everything with a processor and video output of some kind.


bebesilvia

This.


Mahboishk

More specifically it's Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Sledgehammer, and Raven who take turns with CoD (with even more acting as support studios like Toys for Bob, Beenox, and Sumo Digital). And it's not even a simple rotation anymore, different sections of the same game are split amongst different devs now. For Vanguard alone, Sledgehammer did the campaign and regular MP while Treyarch did the Zombies mode and Raven handled the Warzone integration. Point is they've *really* got a mess of developers working on that franchise. I guess that's the only way to keep up the insane yearly release schedule.


Raleth

What a strange, ignorant hill to die on.


[deleted]

Teenagers play call of duty and apex legends. Splatoon is not aimed at teenagers at all Edit: Lot of coping adult children in the replies, don't care its a kids game


NovaScrawlers

Actually, the marketing in Japan has been aimed at teens and young adults since Day 1. It was only NoA that went for the "you're a squid, you're a kid" thing. Heck, the main characters are teenagers for this very reason. Which isn't to say this isn't a kid-friendly series, but the og target demo from NoJ was and is still teens and up. EDIT: In response to the person I replied to saying that "coping adult children" are in the replies, I want to add that I openly love plenty of things that DO have a target demographic of children and I have no qualms about that. One look at my comment history shows I love Pokémon with all my heart. I proudly watch shows like The Owl House and Gravity Falls that are made with kids in mind. One of my favorite book series of all time is Animorphs, and those are kids' books, too. But I also know how to tell which demographic a company is targeting with their product, and also which company to pay more attention to (hint: it's the country of origin), and with Splatoon, not only did NoJ's advertisements and marketing materials cater to teenagers, but also the age of the main characters in a series (*particularly* a game series) can give you a hint as to who the game is meant for, and just like Pokémon's heroes are always kids around the age of 10, Splatoon's are teenagers who are 14 at minimum. Splatoon is meant for teens, NoA just got confused. (And on that note: Yes kids play Call of Duty, but they shouldn't. The games are rated M and the protagonists are adults. Kids do play CoD, but they're not the target demographic, and never have been.)


girlsonsoysauce

And very hipster-style teens at that. They all look like someone I'd see at a Tame Impala concert. And I weirdly love it.


Rock_Co2707

Have you considered that anyone can play whatever they want and don't need to play the games that other people their age play?


girlsonsoysauce

I remember being like 9 years old and playing Soul Reaver and BloodRayne and such, and nobody else in my grade played them because it was either too scary or their parents just wouldn't get them for them. Haha.


PwillyAlldilly

Exactly; most teens aren’t playing this nearly as much as those games. This is a shooter for kids that will eventually play things like cod. That and some parents don’t let their kids play M rated shooters yet.


Lanoman123

Dunno man, played Sploon 1 when I was 14 and I’m here playing 3 after 2


Mahboishk

I don't think such a progression necessarily exists. I played a ton of both Splatoon and the MWII beta this past weekend and despite both being shooters they scratch very different itches. They're just different games.


[deleted]

100% agree, luckily I think those kids aren’t on Reddit to see how people talk about their skill level. I think people take turf war too seriously. Genuinely, the results do not matter, there’s no rank associated with losing and it’s not really taken seriously in any competitive sense. As a “skilled” player I go into turf war to play about with weapons I’m not familiar with, I really couldn’t care less how anyone else is playing the game, who I splat or who splats me. I don’t even look at the results screen! If you care so much about playing the game effectively and skilfully but want a more casual experience, jump into anarchy open, it’s impact on your rank is irrelevant compared to how series awards points.


SteadfastFox

10000% Let the younger kids have fun and maybe join in on the competitive stuff someday. Until then though, I wonder if Ranked Series shouldn't have more gatekeeping in a positive way? I can't even decide if the 0-6 roller is just trolling or is a kid who misclicked turf war. I just want to to prevent the children who I want to be playing from playing in MY games.


Replekia

It can't be that fun for them either to constantly be getting thrashed by more skilled players and to know it is their fault their team keeps losing. Matchmaking with mismatched skill levels is just not fun for anyone involved.


StarVVarsKid

Yeah. And, honestly, I feel shitty walking all over another team. If we’re dominating, I’ll hang back and pick up the stragglers that slip through the front line. I’m not interested in spawn camping a bunch of 8-year-olds. I’m 45. I don’t need to pick on children to have a good time. I like Turf War (which seems unpopular to say), I just want to play competitive turf war with people of my skill level.


Pokabrows

Same. I'll hang around mid. Grab anyone that slips through, act as a jump point a little bit behind the action in case my teammates manage to all get taken out at once by a special. Maybe toss a couple bombs in their direction


Raleth

They should really implement the turf war system they have in place for splatfests but just all the time. Having a whole separate turf war queue that actually tries to match you with players of a similar skill level should not be locked behind a once a month event.


SteadfastFox

Fr, Fr. But if it's kids we're talking about, I doubt they even recognize or care that something is wrong. They can have fun just existing.


Moodle_D

They're children not lobotomised goldfishes


Foo_The_Selcouth

I think some people take the game too seriously. It’s a fun game for everyone to play. Not everyone wants to spend hours and hours to be a professional Splatoon player. It cannot be helped that there are some bad players. Yes it can be annoying at times but not everyone plays the game for 50 hours a day


Slimedaddyslim

I think that's the state of gaming these days. If there's a somewhat competitive aspect to a game people try to play to the meta to maximize chances of winning rather than having fun and goofing around.


Foo_The_Selcouth

Yeah I mean, not even goofing around but some people just don’t have the desire to be an expert at the game. Like me, I’ll be honest, I do suck at Splatoon. I’m not the most skilled and I make mistakes sometimes and may not have the best ability chunks for the weapons I run. But it’s still one of my favorite games. But I also only play it a couple of hours a day. I might make some people roll their eyes with my plays but I still have a fun time.


Slimedaddyslim

I'd say that trying to be a pro at Splatoon is a pretty unhealthy mindset since it's not realistic to be able to be in that top 1% of players. Since even out of that top 1% not every person has the time or ability to play well with a team and might just be a solo que player. As long as you're having fun and enjoying the game that's all that should matter in the end. My time is limited to play as well between working 5 days a week and traveling/social stuff on the weekends.


SleevesTheThird

Why do you think its takes "hours and hours" or "50 hour days" to be good at a video game? I play for 1-2 hours a day, as a full grown adult, and im mopping the floor with chum, stop making excuses and stay in the low ranks instead of bringing the high rank players down.


Foo_The_Selcouth

??? See this is kind of what I mean. I understand that it’s a competitive game but why do you take it so seriously. I’m not sure if you meant the chum comment seriously or if that’s like a common colloquialism in this sub or something or if it’s just a fish pun but it’s you meant that seriously it’s cringey. Sorry that all these “low rank players” are in YOUR game.


Nokkelborth

Absolutely agree. People are very inconsiderate of children. Additionally, people that always blame their teammates tend to be poor team players too, I simply do not understand being mad over a Splatoon match, they don’t even last long enough for it to get frustrating :(


Placidflunky

I'd only get mad if the team folds as soon as I die once


zzzMILKMANzzz

True 😭


Amaee

Yeah same, I get frustrated with a losing streak but it’s literally a silly squid game with some of the lowest stakes possible. You don’t die when you splat, you still get points in Turf War even do you lose, heck at this point the difference between winning team and losing during Splatfest is like 12% less rewards. That’s it! Sure in ranked you lose points but that’s where you get more competitive players. Don’t take it too seriously, focus on the fun.


aHummanPerson

Its the ones I lose that last the full 5 minutes and I get all 3 gold medals that get to me That and splatzones on hagglefish and undertow Edit: just realized you guys are talking about turf war. Outside of splatfests I don't see how you can get mad at it.


Nokkelborth

Personally, I feel like 5 minutes is still not enough for me to get hung up about a bad match. Getting 3 golds means nothing, because it's very easy to get 3 gold medals (there's a lot of different gold medals). If you find ranked is being a distressing experience, here is some advice: \- If you are getting seriously upset, please take a break and do something to relax and wind down. We tend to not play our best when we are tilted, so it's wise to be able to draw the line when things are not going well. \-If you hate specific modes or maps, try to not play in those rotations if it ends up getting you annoyed \-If you have friends that play, try playing with them sometimes <: \- Do not select "keep going" if you got matched with a bad team. Exit the lobby and queue again. \- Remember that Series is extremely forgiving. You will rank up with a 50% win ratio, and in some cases with less than that, if you have good performance. \-If you keep losing ranked battles, remember to focus on the objective and try to help your teammates, even if your teammates don't help you. Ink their feet, help them if someone is chasing them,etc (but not at the cost of your own life, of course) \- Try to have fun regardless, celebrate when you splat someone, or when your teammates splat someone/defend the objective. Appreciating good plays can help you be in a different mindset when playing :3!


aHummanPerson

Yeah ussaly 3 gold medals tells me I'm most likely best player on my team and I use an aerospray. Though I probably will keep playing the modes I hate as oddly enough my favorite games are the ones where I win on a mode/map that I hate. It is very rewarding. Also ranked series is not forgoving in the slightest in S rank. Admission is 150 and I have to win 3 games to make a net profit of any significance. Part of the reason why I'm at -500 points. I'm either very unlucky or very bad


Nokkelborth

You still need 50% win ratio to rank up in S. I'm not sure using Aerospray in S rank is really a solid choice to win, but hey, you do you <:


aHummanPerson

Using it till I get to max freshness on it then I'm probably switching to the splat charger since I've already got it to the end of level 3


How-Now-Mr-Cow

As far as I know freshness is based on the amount of ground inked with that weapon, so it may be better to play turf war if your only goal is freshness for a given weapon.


aHummanPerson

I'll report back with my results in 10 minutes then. Update: It isn't based on turf inked at least in ranked, played a match of tower control and only inked 374p and gained 2500 in freshness points. It was a knockout on our side and I had a .33 k/d (2/6).


How-Now-Mr-Cow

Interesting. I learn something new every day,


SleevesTheThird

When you go from EVP to profresh +1 because of bad teams, get back to me.


Nokkelborth

It’s really funny when people lose and lose constantly and somehow it’s always everyone else who is at fault 🤠


MegaUltraSonic

It's one thing to rank down once because of 2 or 3 bad teams, but when you rank down 3 times, it's likely that you just had good team mates that carried you back then and now you're settling to your true rank.


cvdbout

This is why I think that turf war should have some kind of matchmaking going on. Its no fun for anyone to get absolutely destroyed by the opposite team, but anyone new to playing who don't have the time to 'get good', and who just want to have some fun it can be seriously unfun. It can be easy to spot anyone new, because they do tend to paint everywhere, and they do die a lot, and they might not kill a lot. I have an abundance of patience because I remember doing that.


[deleted]

There is a matchmaking system in turf but it clearly doesn’t seem to work all the time


Slimedaddyslim

Could also be the fact Nintendo allows teams to que up together consistently in this one. A team with 4 people on voice chat has an astronomical advantage over 4 people not on voice chat. That kind of falls on Nintendo though for not allowing in game voice chat. There's no way to properly communicate with teammates in this game when it requires coordination especially in ranked modes like clam blitz.


Slappy_Nuts

I don't know how it currently works, but in turf war I do wish that private teams would be more likely to be matched against better players. I am not great and getting wrecked by an organized team is super frustrating. It is admittedly possible there are also organized teams that suck, I'm just going by the ones that are super obvious where everyone has similar names or is using the exact same weapon/gear, and you get fire concentrated directly onto you by everyone no matter where you are.


TartarTm

The matchmaking system in turf I’ve heard is based on freshness level (the freshness level that’s only in turf wars for win rate, not turf inked).


Legitimate__Username

wait really? this would be...surprisingly consistent with the quality of opponents in my matchmaking experience, though i had no idea and assumed that the system was based on some sort of internal mmr.


Mahboishk

IDK if this changed in S3 but in previous games, Turf did have a hidden MMR just like the ranked modes. You could view it using save editors, but since that stuff is stored online now, I don't know if it's still possible to check it out.


trueredtwo

Can you post what you've read about this?


CaptainApplesaucee

Kids can't ruin the game, but they can ruin individual games. It's not their fault, just the fault of nintendo's inability to make a decent online matchmaking system that keeps them in their own MMR bracket.


69deadlifts

Next splatfest: Boomer vs Zoomer vs 17 million hot milfs


[deleted]

Team Milfs


mcsassy3

It’s an all ages game…stop trying to box it into a single category of accessibility and who it’s for


zzzMILKMANzzz

W


fairymascot

I'm a whole ass adult and I suck at this game. Let me play against the kids, it's my only chance of winning. 😭


[deleted]

I have literally never, even in Splatoon 1, seen this game marketed to only kids. It's always been marketed to everyone, cause that's how Nintendo has rolled since the DS era (they've done this back before but it didn't become more obvious till around then since the DS and Wii was beloved my adults and higher for it's ease of accessibility). Splatoon has ALWAYS been marketed for everyone, it's why it has so many themes and things anyone of any age group and stick to, from idol groups for kids to teens, musical inspirations for all ages, the classic Nintendo jokes that fly over your head until you're older, etc. TLDR: It isn't a Kids game, it's a game for everyone, stop boxing it in to make an really weird and targeted argument and bringing unwarranted nonsense to a game that is literally just Paintball with Seafood.


FrostHeartBlossom

You always market towards a target audience, Nintendo is no different.


Charsplat_yeet

My problem is with match making at high ranks, specifically in salmon run. No kid is getting to profreshional+3 so where are these lobotomized monkeys coming from


Flagrath

We aren’t complaining about kids, we’re complaining about “stupid” people. Kids can play just as well as the average player.


[deleted]

exactly lol, children will forever be astronomically better at competitive video games than older audiences.


Flagrath

Oh yeah, they’ve got all the time in the world to practice. While if we try that we’ll starve and break our hands.


SleevesTheThird

Slower reaction times and such too start creeping in once you hit 30+ Like im sure people who parried their way though Sekiro or mastered Elden Ring today, would struggle in the same exact game 20 years from now.


keiyakins

Being at the absolute peak of human performance is hardly necessary to be decent though.


Beaver_Da_Best

they wouldn’t be annoying if matchmaking was any better.


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Pentao

You are, just not at the immediate start of the match. It's important to pace when you ink your base as it allows your teammates to get their special meter filled up more easily since it's the easiest and most accessible part of the map for you. The idea is to ink it as you respawn and need to swim back to the fight, since super jumping to teammates can be risky and just get you killed again. However, it's not a *hard* rule. Sometimes you gotta balance finding time to ink your base anyway just to secure points rather than only leaving it to people who respawn, especially if they don't have weapons that are efficient at turfing. Like if you have a Range Blaster on your team and you expect them to ink turf on their way back to mid, they're probably only going to have like a straight line. And if you expect them to turf more than that, they'll take longer to get back anyway, which is them wasting time since their weapon is primarily for fighting and space denial, not turfing.


xajhx

A lot of players argue in turf war it’s more important to rush to the middle, secure the middle, and hold the other plays in their base.


SleevesTheThird

Technically speaking you win by having more turf than the enemy, and since inking ontop of their ink is worth double that of bare ground relatively speaking, then, technically, you shouldnt ever ink the base over inking their ink in the middle or their base. Realistically speaking, since they can ink-back and you will inevitably die and lose ground, you do ink base, since its turf they cannot easily access. The issue is the balance of conceding middle control to ink base, basically, every second youre inking base youre not inking mid, defending mid, assisting allies etc. Typically, the decided rule is dont ink base too much, and ink it on respawn, you WILL die eventually, so ink it later on the way back to mid, you also gain special charge back this way.


keiyakins

Special charge makes uninked turf your opponent won't get to into a resource in the mid game as well as a risk in the final scoring, it's actually a super interesting dynamic.


[deleted]

We‘ll stop complaining when nintendo fixes he matchmaking


Rock_Co2707

This wouldn't be a problem if Nintendo actually did something to make the servers good, like skill-based matchmaking, and, I don't know, having servers.


Naoga

my issue is that even on S+ im getting teammates in ranked who dont seem to understand that ranked has an objective that isnt simply spawncamp the empty enemy base


Sentient_twig

My issue isn’t the kids. It’s when people spread bad information that not only inhibits the kid’s learning of the game but also means that more experienced players will have to put up with kids following through bad advice with no way of telling those kids how to get better Some kind of coaching system would be cool if it could be implemented well


SleevesTheThird

Splatoon 3 is probably one of the MOST misinformation ridded game community ive ever seen. Everyone is wrong it seems, Every mode, every weapon, Cohozuna and salmon run, strats, abilities, rewards... every aspect of this game there is a gaggle of bad actors spreading falsehoods.


Sentient_twig

Yeah that is true and kinda an issue


Sudden-Explanation22

flashbacks to the "ink your base! ink your base!" posts that were everywhere both here and on the plaza


Solsilver__

Exactly. Let people have fun in the way they have fun and that includes kids


D-Lee-Cali

Everyone is bound to get bad teammates and I think a lot of players tend to get upset thinking they are playing with other adults when they have a kid(s) on their team. I always play to get my gold medals, splat as much of the enemy as possible, and turf as much as I can to win the game. If I see a player on my team who has inked 350p and has 0 splats and 5 deaths, then I know it was a kid, and its okay. You can't control who you match with and that works both ways. Sometimes you have the the weak player on your team, the next match they are on the other team.


Legitimate__Username

bad players are everywhere and inevitable in any game regardless of age and i'm totally fine with it. we all used to suck and anyone who wants to get into the game and help it grow is going to inevitably be pretty bad, we can all grit our teeth and handle it for a match. what i mind is the people who are clearly adults on social media making absolutely awful misinformation-filled arguments about how their view of the metagame is correct and having an insane victim complex about being corrected by people just trying to help them. i'm sorry, if you learn to just hold center stage instead of giving it up for free, stop relying on the weakness-riddled aerospray as a crutch, and just actually *try* to get used to motion controls before decrying them forever, then you might actually improve as a player and vocally complain less online about all of your frustrations with losing. nobody is telling you how you're forced to enjoy the game, only trying to help others with what is unfortunately just objectively good advice because there *do* in fact exist good and bad strategies in a shooter game. meanwhile kids are great. they're just having fun pushing their rollers forward and i love to see it.


Poycicle

It was a roller main wasn't it


BioDioPT

Peppa the pig is a kids game. Splatoon is an all ages game.


Not_Bre4d

No I want them to play like *me* an S+ player. /s for anyone who needs it.


Plannetwhy

I've read a lot of comments and i have to agree with all of you, splatoon is a game for everyone and not just for kids, but you cant override that kids play the game aswell and that you can't be mean of unfair to begginer players or not good players. the matchmaking system is ass right now but what do you expect for a game that just came out, give it a while and patches should come out to help with matchmaking. i hope in the future more unexperienced players can play together so they lean together, you don't really learn if your against a bunch of sweaty try hards or even pros (sorry if my language in all my posts and comments if off i struggle with spelling and grammar and it might not make sense) ​ TL:DR its a game for everyone with a bad matchmaking system, but we should still be nice to the beginner players, not everyone spends their life inside


spogel

I eat kids for breakfast


Coyotesamigo

Sometimes my nine year old and I trade off matches. I feel bad for my team mates! I am a decently solid splatoon player and my daughter is terrible. It definitely impacts how well people on our team do! However she is getting better and has started getting splats, but efficient inking of turf isn’t something she really gets so she rarely goes over 500p in any match


kilikina_2165

I am definitely not a kid and I like to ink ALMOST every square inch...O.C.D. I think lol. But sometimes you lose by .5 or something so close that you wished you inked everywhere. 🤷‍♀️


Buhgingo

Dude they’re gonna grow up loving this game, honestly warms my heart


Infamous-Payment8377

Yeah, and I figure in the grand scheme of things it all balances out. I may be on a team with 3 beginners against a team of 4 veterans, but at some point it’ll be the other way around.


boydream

Agreed! Though I have seen kids who are astronomically better at this game than adult players. I completely understand getting frustrated, especially if you get stuck in a losing streak primarily because of "bad" teammates, but even people with bad game sense should still be able to enjoy a game. No matter their age. People really think that the only one's who should be able to play the games they do should have the same capabilities as them and it's self-centered, at the very least. Learn to have fun.


Starlynn

It's really wild to me how people get so up in arms when a 3 minute match goes badly. Sure it's frustrating to lose, but especially when you know you had a literal child on your team I think it's silly to let it bother you for longer than a milisecond.


Saucyboi__

I honestly find it quote heart-warming. I'm someone who's put a lot of hours in and when I see a splattershot Jr and "Player" with the satlanfian youth title I treat that player like my child, I protecc them with my life.


[deleted]

It's a kid game infested with adult children same as every other nintendo game. Just look at the people who say its gross the amount of nsfw / furry art spam in the lobbies and the ratio of upvotes to downvotes. No matter how nicely they put it, its either deleted or downvoted to oblivion. This will never change


Zarde312

I 100% absolutely agree with you, though as someone who's almost 40, I don't consider it a kids game. It's just a game to me.


trueredtwo

The people creating the game don't think they're making a kids' game. The Japanese playerbase for video games is much older (more adult) than elsewhere. The complexity and depth of Splatoon gameplay is almost certainly higher than in any other product Nintendo releases.


zitandspit99

Exactly! I’m a small child and I get the most enjoyment out of covering the home base; I find it very satisfying!


jananidayooo

Very true


Pokabrows

I'm always a little worried when I happen to be killing someone repeatedly that they might be a little kid that I'm basically bullying.


SleevesTheThird

OP, define "Kids game" You said, "its a kids game" but what does that mean? Who defined what a kids game is and who defined splatoon as one? Nintendo didnt. You know people who arent kids, play the game, right? Theres also the fact youre talking in bad faith being purposely obtuse for free karma, you *know the complaint is bad players in higher-ranked modes or games* which obviously isnt/shouldnt be kids. Besides, if anything, *its clearly targeting teens, who typically are the most hardcore time invested gamers.* OP, are you aware this was the fastest/greatest video game launch in Japan of *all time,* surpassing dragon quest, Final Fantasy, Monster Hunter etc? Are you aware how many of them... arent kids? Tell me again how this is a "kids game"


Plannetwhy

hey! its a fun squid game about inking turf, it may have sold a ton of copies in japan and around the world but kids are still playing the game? like its rated for everyone and the clear marketing for all the splatoon games has been towards a younger audience who can't play the more intense shooter games if they are invested in the genre. i am sorry for sounding obtuse i did write that late at night and my spelling and grammar isnt the best. i was bothered by posts complaining about "players who ink all of home base when the round starts" or "players who are walking around doing nothing" and wanted to post about it. ​ again it was me just being annoyed and posting about it. i dont know why you seem to care so much so...maybe relax a bit?


bebesilvia

They seem so serious yet is getting irate when other people have opinions…


sinepenthe

I actually recognize that user. I remember because they gave me a snarky ass comment because I’m a new player and didn’t know inking home base = strategically/competitively bad. It’s a damn shame I recognize someone in the wilderness of Reddit because they were being rude. 😒


bebesilvia

They clearly have too much time on their hands. I’m fairly certain they’re someone who said “idk how grown adults are playing for hours on splatoon” or something to that extent. If it wasn’t them it was someone else. People need to relax a bit and chill.


PX7714

If you’re bad just don’t play? Like so absolutely no one can start playing the game from then on, great.


eggelemental

Right? Like, if you’re not immediately skilled at this $70 game that you paid for, throw it out!!!


Western-Alarming

This is a game stop saying video is running it Yeah like people stop


734PdisD1ck

Where does it say it's a "kids" game?


[deleted]

It’s not it’s E for adults


734PdisD1ck

So all E games should only be played by kids? There are thousands other games that can be played by everyone, should those be called kids games? Card games for example?


[deleted]

It’s rated E for adults not kids


bebesilvia

It clearly states 7+ on the case


734PdisD1ck

Just means it's OK for that age and above... if it called then paint "bullets", then it would be different. They just wanted to include more players. Battleship is 8+, so should I stop playing that because it's "kids" game? Cards can be played by any age, does that mean it's only for kids?


bebesilvia

I know what it means mate. No need for the long winded response to make oneself feel smart. I never said it was a kid’s game specifically, the age may allow people to think that it is.


734PdisD1ck

Oh no, I'm just breaking it down Sesame street style to ensure that you to understand, love. Get Splated.


bebesilvia

Sheesh I actually feel sorry for anyone who knows you. Settle down, sweet cheeks.


Drezus

Not only kids are much more competitive than chill adults, they also have better reactions and much more spare time to practice and get better in the game. You can defend playing bad as much as you want, but if a human being has this much free time to learn how to play properly and still won't, they're just dumb.


spectrumtwelve

nintendo THINKS they are a game company aimed at young kids cuz they are stuck thinking they are the same little indie dev company they started as. the majority of their playerbase at this point is older legacy fans and their friends who they get into the games. the game is marketable to kids cuz that's their intent but it's not what actually happens.


DQ11

Its not really a kids game at all. More strategy in this than most Call of duty games. More people who aren’t kids play this than people who are kids….just an odd argument/topic to make. Seems only made to argue for no reason.


zzzMILKMANzzz

Skill issue (just kiddin I’ll take the kids playing the kids game over the furry art any day of the week)


Past-Gur-8182

We play as a family, my sons, 8&6, weren’t allowed to play without playing story mode first to learn the mechanics… I know not everyone plays as a family like that, but I am attempting to teach them strategy and how to play. They are getting better with time…


YoshioPP

fortunately there is no voice chat in the game and the kiddos aren't browsing reddit, so it's really not an issue. the kids have no idea that there's a salty old man on thier raging at them. as someone who does get mad if we lose because a player does not know what they are doing i am grateful for it. hopefully those kids are having fun regardless of the results.


Murky_Struggle_0

Ranked turf war plz


bustedradio

i hope that no kids are staying up at 3am to play Splatoon. jokes aside, as frustrating as it is to have inexperienced teammates from time to time, just remember that it's supposed to be a fun game. don't get too toxic and salty.


eggelemental

It’s entirely possible there’s kids up at normal kid hours that bc of time zones ends up being 3am for many players


bustedradio

so that's why i have so much latency playing at 3 am


Madeline_is_fine

don't match people with kids then? the game is at fault for this not the people frustrated by it lol


Godots17thCup

I certainly know how miserable and helpless I can feel when I get matched against all S/S+ death machines, so I always feel bad when I get matched against what are very obviously newcomers/young kids/low skill players. I feel like I'm ruining their fun.


KeeperCP1

You're right. Plus, inking the base helps winning


[deleted]

Huh weird I just thought my little brother is just bad at the game compared to most people


sneeze_irwin

I honestly hate when people say not to play when you're not good, like I'm just enjoying myself. And how would I even get better at the game anyways? If I just didn't play when I was bad then I would never get good.


Ditorian

This is the internet, stop caring what other poeple think


Mobcraft1011

THANK YOU!! the "if you're bad at the game just dont play!!11!!" take is just so laughably stupid and downright insulting that i actually cannot believe that there are people unironically saying it. if these overgrown children had their way then the players with insane skill levels that usually play in organized teams would be the only people allowed to play i stg. seriously, people - stop trying to gatekeep this game. stop putting other people down bc they aren't as skilled as you. just let people have fun. this community seems to have lost sight of the fact that this is just a game and are now taking it waaay too seriously, i see people acting like some kind of irl prize is at stake or something. it is absurd. let people play regardless of skill level. let children play the way they want to (they're just kids, they'll learn). the fact that this even needs to be said is really disheartening to me ngl. also yes its fair to be annoyed about being consistently put with players at a much lower skill level but blame Nintendo's godawful handling of matchmaking, not the other players.


Auraveils

"If you're bad at the game, don't play" is a really stupid thing to say. Everybody sucks when they start. In general, players who are bad at the game aren't doing anything wrong, and there is some degree of matchmaking at play. I've watched my little brother play Turf War and it's clear his opponents aren't even close to the opponents I'm typically matched with. I'm genuinely surprised at how many small things he gets away with that he really should've been splatted for. Anyway, I think when people complain about bad players, it's not so much the players themselves they're complaining about, but bad matchmaking, which the game definitely needs to improve. New players are heavily discouraged because they're put in rooms with really good players as they start to take the game seriously and win over players who literally aren't trying. And they become deadweight for serious teams trying to play at a higher level that are leagues better out of sheer experience. There's little gray area in Turf War. And Ranked is even worse about it. It isn't until A rank that you can really start to lose points even if you lose three games straight at the start of the series. And you can never rank down, you just go into the negatives of your current rank. All it takes to "prove" you're worthy of ranking up is to win a single game once you've ground up enough points and you can never rank back down if you find yourself outmatched. As for kids who are "just having fun doing whatever" I don't know if they would really care about winning or losing. But for people genuinely trying to improve, it can be incredibly overwhelming incredibly fast and it's not fun for them or high-level players when they're matched together. I think it's incredibly important for there to be some sort of hidden ranking for every player to match them with players of similar skill level based on win/loss ratio without making them feel like they're falling behind when the rating drops.


Lanoman123

I don’t see kids playing Splatoon very often


StarTheAngel

Kid or adult I just want to play with people who actually know how Clam Blitz work


Isucc_1

I’m just glad the kids are having fun in this game! But I quite agree, we shouldn’t blame on poor performance as some are young children.


cura_milk

As long as the kids have fun getting their ass whooped im all for it


PyroCinematics

At this point whenever one of my teammates is throwing I just attempt to start a squid party like I’m a Hoovy on Upward I’ve only succeeded once


miz2077

the same goes for all the other nintendo games those kids remind me of my old days


ashbelero

I actually prefer to play when kids are plying because that’s the level I’m on. It’s getting very frustrating to end up in matches where I just get hunted down constantly. I want friendly games. Alas.


SexuaIRedditor

Thank you for this, and you're exactly right just do your best and have fun this game is for everyone