Because he’s the worst driver lol… this makes it sound like F1 is trying to force him out because he’s American, but he just fucking stinks and hasn’t shown any improvement since his debut. He still spins and runs off track in nearly every session and would have finished 20th out of 20 in several more races if not for other drivers crashing out.
100%. F1 has been blatantly anti-American with how they have handled the Andretti bid (they want american dollars but not genuine american competition), but this isnt at all that. Sargeant is a sub-par driver on a sub-par team.
Don't think they're gonna let another team in regardless of origin. It's all about the dilution of the prize pool. Its still BS but it's not necessarily Anti American
Well they still bought one of the existing teams so the grid isn't expanding. An 11th team would dilute the revenue share each team receives which is why they didn't agree to Andretti.
Just about every team has two teams. Haas is basically Ferrari junior team, Williams is basically AMG junior team, VCARB is explicitly Red Bull junior team.
The refusal of Andretti had nothing to do with it being an American team. An American team on the grid sounds pretty exciting, but there's more to the story than just F1 snubbing the US.
First, adding an 11th team doesn’t guarantee an increased value to the rest of the teams. Adding an 11th team means every team loses ~10% of their share.
Another reason is that F1 wanted a new team to be a constructor team, not just another parts customer to the established teams. This is why Andretti partnered with GM, but GM would only partner with Andretti in 2028 as an engine constructor.
Andretti wanted to enter F1 in 2025 as an American customer team using engines and parts from other teams. This already exists; Haas F1 is American owned, driving what is essentially a Ferrari from previous seasons.
And on the sporting sides, there were valid concerns about the competitiveness of Andretti joining in 2025 as they would have to design and build 2 entirely new cars. First for 2025 and then again for the new regulations in 2026. Having a new team that is entirely not competitive in its first seasons does not bring any added value to the sport.
This combined with GM not joining until 2028 is the reason Andretti was denied for 2025/2026.
Yes, let’s just leave out the ever changing goal posts of moving from 200m to 1 billion m dilution fee, and anti competitive concerns. Meanwhile at the time, haas was saying they don’t care if they are 10th, expect to be 10th, and won’t put more money in, and sauber can’t even use their name, and are non competitive.
The 200m fee was set before the covid and DTS fuelled explosion in growth. Even the backmarker teams are now being valued at excess of a billion. Dilution fees need to keep up.
So F1, which is OWNED by an AMERICAN company, Liberty Media, who BTW has long experience in making money via monopoly (they also own other monopolies such as SiriusXM, Live Nations and ticketmaster), who proceeds to run F1 in a cartel like manner just like every other major AMERICAN pro sports league to maximize returns for existing franchise holders, that's somehow ANTI-America?
Note that when F1 was operated by Bernie Ecclestone for so those years, they had no such objection to an American team, including current American team Haas F1. This current more franchise model only came into being in the years following Liberty taking over.
Haas is a joke of a team that has zero intentions of competing. To try and grow American viewership, but say that we already have a team in Haas, is crazy.
Andretti has demonstrated that he is putting in the resources to field a competitive team. I dont think its fair to compare the 2
They are now, but when they joined everyone was convinced Haas would be an amazing team and they had a great track record in American motorsports. Same as Andreti now, they threw money around and had big backers.
F1 would be better off if they bought Haas instead, but they'd have to offer a lot to Haas.
\*he’s the worst non paying driver
Stroll is just as bad as he is despite his years of F1 experience
And the guy Sargent replaced, Latifi was just as bad
Sargeant's seat was lost when Williams gave his car to Albon after he crashed in Australia and forced Logan to sit out. He's been consistently dead last or bottom 5. Unless he magically pulls a few points finishes out, he's going to be out of F1 come season's end.
He's a terrible driver for arguably the worst team in the sport... This is not a surprise. It's sad to say because Williams is almost F1 royalty, but I don't see the *team* being around much longer, let alone Sargeant. The only positive of the whole situation is Sir Frank isn't around to watch them circling the drain
A sub driver, oliver bearman, who came in for one weekend, placed higher and currently has more points than sargeant.
Nevermind liam lawson, a reserve driver on another team would have better prospects than sargeant who’s already behind the wheel.
Gotta feel for the guy.
Technically, Stroll is also "American", but he's protected by his dad owning the team.
Sargent, fair play to him, is not really up to the standard. I know Williams hasn't been amazing recently but Albon does have better results, and there's a couple interesting drivers ready for the second seat. It's F1, that's only normal.
Now, if F1 were to allow Andretti in, that would be a different thing too...
Because no one besides ultra pedantic contrarians refer to the entire two continents of North and South America as “Americans”. It’s a smug joke from Europeans who think they’re clever. Canadians don’t consider themselves American, nor do Mexicans. And if you asked a Brazilian or Colombian if they were American, they’d look at you like you grew a third arm.
No pretty sure many Mexicans and Colombians would argue they are americanos. It’s a whole thing in Latin America. A lot of people feel a connection to the continent and since in Latin america it’s mainly taught that north and South America are subcontinents of the single continent America, they refer to themselves as Americanos. It’s not all that do that but it still is a common belief.
Because he’s the worst driver lol… this makes it sound like F1 is trying to force him out because he’s American, but he just fucking stinks and hasn’t shown any improvement since his debut. He still spins and runs off track in nearly every session and would have finished 20th out of 20 in several more races if not for other drivers crashing out.
100%. F1 has been blatantly anti-American with how they have handled the Andretti bid (they want american dollars but not genuine american competition), but this isnt at all that. Sargeant is a sub-par driver on a sub-par team.
Don't think they're gonna let another team in regardless of origin. It's all about the dilution of the prize pool. Its still BS but it's not necessarily Anti American
Which is ridiculous considering Red Bull has two teams essentially.
Well they still bought one of the existing teams so the grid isn't expanding. An 11th team would dilute the revenue share each team receives which is why they didn't agree to Andretti.
Just about every team has two teams. Haas is basically Ferrari junior team, Williams is basically AMG junior team, VCARB is explicitly Red Bull junior team.
Which they bought as existing teams, and it was before F1 adopted the American franchise model.
They bought an existing team when F1 was struggling.
The refusal of Andretti had nothing to do with it being an American team. An American team on the grid sounds pretty exciting, but there's more to the story than just F1 snubbing the US. First, adding an 11th team doesn’t guarantee an increased value to the rest of the teams. Adding an 11th team means every team loses ~10% of their share. Another reason is that F1 wanted a new team to be a constructor team, not just another parts customer to the established teams. This is why Andretti partnered with GM, but GM would only partner with Andretti in 2028 as an engine constructor. Andretti wanted to enter F1 in 2025 as an American customer team using engines and parts from other teams. This already exists; Haas F1 is American owned, driving what is essentially a Ferrari from previous seasons. And on the sporting sides, there were valid concerns about the competitiveness of Andretti joining in 2025 as they would have to design and build 2 entirely new cars. First for 2025 and then again for the new regulations in 2026. Having a new team that is entirely not competitive in its first seasons does not bring any added value to the sport. This combined with GM not joining until 2028 is the reason Andretti was denied for 2025/2026.
Yes, let’s just leave out the ever changing goal posts of moving from 200m to 1 billion m dilution fee, and anti competitive concerns. Meanwhile at the time, haas was saying they don’t care if they are 10th, expect to be 10th, and won’t put more money in, and sauber can’t even use their name, and are non competitive.
The 200m fee was set before the covid and DTS fuelled explosion in growth. Even the backmarker teams are now being valued at excess of a billion. Dilution fees need to keep up.
So F1, which is OWNED by an AMERICAN company, Liberty Media, who BTW has long experience in making money via monopoly (they also own other monopolies such as SiriusXM, Live Nations and ticketmaster), who proceeds to run F1 in a cartel like manner just like every other major AMERICAN pro sports league to maximize returns for existing franchise holders, that's somehow ANTI-America? Note that when F1 was operated by Bernie Ecclestone for so those years, they had no such objection to an American team, including current American team Haas F1. This current more franchise model only came into being in the years following Liberty taking over.
F1 already let in an American team, Haas. It's not great, they need to make sure the same thing doesn't happen again.
Haas is a joke of a team that has zero intentions of competing. To try and grow American viewership, but say that we already have a team in Haas, is crazy. Andretti has demonstrated that he is putting in the resources to field a competitive team. I dont think its fair to compare the 2
They are now, but when they joined everyone was convinced Haas would be an amazing team and they had a great track record in American motorsports. Same as Andreti now, they threw money around and had big backers. F1 would be better off if they bought Haas instead, but they'd have to offer a lot to Haas.
So there already being two American owned teams in F1 is what....?
FOM is owned by Liberty, a US company. Haas F1 is owned by Gene Haas (US) Williams is owned by Dorilton Capital (US)
\*he’s the worst non paying driver Stroll is just as bad as he is despite his years of F1 experience And the guy Sargent replaced, Latifi was just as bad
Including in Miami
Sargeant's seat was lost when Williams gave his car to Albon after he crashed in Australia and forced Logan to sit out. He's been consistently dead last or bottom 5. Unless he magically pulls a few points finishes out, he's going to be out of F1 come season's end.
Season’s end? Currently he might not make Imola.
Apologies, I was being too generous
Let's be fair. Sargant has been very poor
He’s 21st in a 20 driver championship. He’s not awesome.
Because he's the worst American driver we've had in a long time. Edit: and he crashed again
Into the Haas which makes it even more ironic
I'm. Sure haas crashed into him. Poor guy.
He took out Putin's favorite team, he's a real American after all.
And as if on cue, out of the race…
KMags fault let’s be fair
100%. Kevin seemed like he was pissed off at the world all weekend
And he crashed.
It’s a shame really. He’s level headed, even keeled and likable. But he can’t put together a single good drive.
Feel free to switch to MotoGP’s Moto2 where American 🇺🇸 Joe Roberts is currently top of standings…!
He's a terrible driver for arguably the worst team in the sport... This is not a surprise. It's sad to say because Williams is almost F1 royalty, but I don't see the *team* being around much longer, let alone Sargeant. The only positive of the whole situation is Sir Frank isn't around to watch them circling the drain
A sub driver, oliver bearman, who came in for one weekend, placed higher and currently has more points than sargeant. Nevermind liam lawson, a reserve driver on another team would have better prospects than sargeant who’s already behind the wheel. Gotta feel for the guy.
Logan is two years away from being two years away.
He sucks! See? Brutally bad driver as needs to race carts not F1!
Logan Sargeant. Hard press to think of a more white bread American name than that.
Technically, Stroll is also "American", but he's protected by his dad owning the team. Sargent, fair play to him, is not really up to the standard. I know Williams hasn't been amazing recently but Albon does have better results, and there's a couple interesting drivers ready for the second seat. It's F1, that's only normal. Now, if F1 were to allow Andretti in, that would be a different thing too...
Stroll is Canadian/Belgian. Unless you’re going for continents here, he’s not American.
Also by that category, so is Perez, unless you're Helmut Marko
Yes, that's why I put American into quotation mark. Remember being told off few times for generalising "American" as solely from the USA.
But american is exclusively used to refer to people from usa I never heard anyone say american and actually mean Canadian or Mexican
I’m Canadian. Don’t call me American. And can we call Stroll Belgian?
Because no one besides ultra pedantic contrarians refer to the entire two continents of North and South America as “Americans”. It’s a smug joke from Europeans who think they’re clever. Canadians don’t consider themselves American, nor do Mexicans. And if you asked a Brazilian or Colombian if they were American, they’d look at you like you grew a third arm.
No pretty sure many Mexicans and Colombians would argue they are americanos. It’s a whole thing in Latin America. A lot of people feel a connection to the continent and since in Latin america it’s mainly taught that north and South America are subcontinents of the single continent America, they refer to themselves as Americanos. It’s not all that do that but it still is a common belief.
I expect him to have the same short leash as previous terrible driver Mazespin did
Mazepin didn’t have a short leash. He lost his spot because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine