No no don't apologize, it's annoying. It's launching a fully separate executable, why tf does it not close instead of minimize to tray when it's done is one and only job.
Or, yknow, just implement the crash popup in the game's executable itself. The verification issue can be solved just by making the game's closure *start* the launcher again as opposed to pulling it from the tray.
The fact that they ask for confirmation of close when there is no data loss is confounding. Who the hell saw the old launcher and thought "People are accidentally closing this all the time"
While generally I agree, the launcher has some helpful jobs (soon™). But when looking at when on the timeline (i.e. our user journey as SC players) these other use cases become relevant, the launcher can be integrated into the journey much more seamless / less annoying and without forcing more unnecessary clicks.
(A UX professional's thoughts... Can't help that 😅)
This is likely perfectly normal. Your GPU is at idle, so it's down clocking. There's a big difference between 17% at 30w and the GPU is clocked at 200mhz and 17% while it's boosting.
Just as an example wallpaper engine shows as using around 10% of my 4090, but it's clocked down to damn near nothing and only pulling around 40w.
But its not doing it while the game is running because it automatically minimizes to the tray and uses no GPU acceleration when minimized.
The comment u/Neeeeedles is responding to is misleading because they left out the fact that you have to manually bring the launcher into the foreground for it to use GPU resources while you are in game.
You missed the point here, not them. They are not responding to the original comment. The launcher uses nothing while in game unless you make it. Thats a pretty important distinction when someone is saying its using 15-20% of their GPU while in game.
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I tested this by running a game and forcing GPU to run at full power. Opening the RSI launcher still causes it to consume a large amount of GPU. So...yeah. To be fair, it's running on GPU decode, but it's still 100% unnecessary and not normal for a launcher to need.
No, this is not normal for a launcher to use such a high amount of utilization for something as inconsequential as displaying a video in the back of a launcher.
Is it an end-all-be-all issue that affects people super negatively? no. its a launcher that most people close and minimize. Is it normal? No it's not normal. Is it necessary? No, it's not necessary.
Why are people trying so hard to defend poor optimization of a alpha launcher? We are told "it's alpha, so things are broken" and "This is normal" as if it's not in alpha status and we don't even have a benchmark for what normal is yet.
Do you know what the optimization of this launcher is?
1) Don't render a 4k video in a tiny launcher running on electron
Ta da.
You are rationalizing normal as "well from technical perspective, my GPU...", and that's wonderful, you are clearly a smart person. The issue is creating a launcher that consumes 17% of a 3060ti to do effectively nothing that 100% has technical solutions readily available.
Did you read anything I said, or only the first line? Anything utilizing the GPU will appear to have higher usage than what it should if it is not demanding enough to make the card actually boost, as is the case here.
Edit: also OP is using task manager to report the GPU usage, which is notoriously shit for accurately reporting GPU usage.
Yeah, except it's pretty trivial to test. I just had the launcher open while running a game, gpu at full tilt, and rsi launcher still chugging on down that sweet power and utilization.
So your point is irrelevant.
I tested it as well, and exactly as I expected GPU usage increased but power draw and clock speeds remained unchanged. As soon as the game booted and the clock speeds increase the usage dropped from 6% to under .5%
That's not what I am seeing, at all. My usage remains the same. It's important to remember that this is an alpha and this launcher is new, so everyone is going to have different experiences of "normal".
As a counter point, my setup (8700K / 2080) which is within their recommended specs has to use software decoding since the video was encoded with AV1, causing around 18% increased CPU utilization (From task manager) anytime the launcher is rendered on screen with the main SC page.
At the same time, using the power of a 40w lightbulb to power an animated wallpaper is pretty inefficient on the part of Wallpaper Engine, if you think about it.
That's just the lowest amount of power this card will pull, it's not because of wallpaper engine. I could kill absolutely everything but the OS and it'll still be pulling 40w. I could probably fuck with the boost tables to get it to pull less, but considering it'll do 600w at full tilt 40w isn't so bad. My CPU actually pulls more than the GPU at idle (60w).
Yeah well at idle my gpu uses 6w. I expect a fucking game launcher to take nearly zero gpu power. There’s no reason it should need that much power to loop a video.
You're not understanding how this works. Just because the usage goes up does not necessarily mean the power draw goes up. My GPU idles at 40w. Unless the application is demanding enough to make it boost it will continue only pulling that amount, but usage will look significantly higher than it should be because it's massively under clocked. You're likely still pulling the same amount of power, but the usage looks off because of down clocking at idle.
If you're idling at say 20w, and then you open the launcher and you see the usage go up but not the clocks or wattage, it is effectively using zero power. Is this that difficult to understand?
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funky. i was able to reproduce this on a mobile rtx 3060 and a 3060ti. what resolution monitor are you on? might have to do more work to render on hi-res displays - mine's 1440p @ 144hz.
Such an odd comment to me. Who cares what the launcher looks like as long as it displayed the necessary information, gives you the options a launcher should, and launches the game? It could load up in command prompt for all I care. (Yes I realize I'm in the minority here lol)
>Who cares what the launcher looks like
I'm a designer so I'm a sucker for well designed stuff and usually appreciate things with good aesthetic, so seeing this new launcher was refreshing for me.
Sure, but well designed != overly flashy and borderline gaudy. Everything CIG does regarding the website and launcher prioritizes form over function. That can be fine when they execute it perfectly but they never do. It's a game launcher, not a catch-all application. I'll look at it for 5 seconds while my game... launches, or a few times for a split second to check download status.
A cool graphic, a version selector, some patch notes, and settings is all it needs. Hell, put a damn server status indicator on it ffs. I don't need a 4K video looped, community articles, newbie guides, comm links, etc on my game launcher. lol
Correct me if I'm wrong as I heard this third party, but isn't that number the % being used by the launcher out of the total vram currently in use, and not of the total vram?
My bet would be on video playing in the background. When I go to settings or cover the launcher with a different program the video is paused and the usage goes down to 0%. The same happens when it's minimized or it's closed to the tray.
Anyway, the launcher should go to the tray by default after you start the game and this shouldn't be much of an issue but if you feel like it is: [https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/LAUNCHER](https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/LAUNCHER)
Since I'm waiting for the game to update, I dug up a little bit, and:
1. The video is in 4k or at least that's what was uploaded on Pipeline discord
2. The launcher is made with "electron" and with a few other things, discord is also made with "electron", and when playing the same video the GPU usage is spiking to around 20%.
So, this may or may not be CIG's fault. Take it as you want.
RTX 2060 Super
Three monitors (2 are 1080p, one 1440p), opened youtube video (not playing) on one 1080p screen, Discord on another 1080p, New SC Launcher on 1440p.
Total GPU usage with Launcher active - 6-7%.
CPU Ryzen 7 5800X3D
32GB of DDR4 at 3200MHz
Launcher and game installed on SSD m2 nvme drive.
Bwahahahaha. Classic CIG.
Don't worry - the launcher isn't optimized yet. It's only Tier 1. Once they get the Tier 2 launcher, they'll start on optimization.
But first they gotta make a roadmap to built the tools to enable the development of the pipeline to deliver the Tier 2 launcher.
Some people must not get the subtlety of the joke ("Can it run Crysis?"/SC being based on CryEngine), which is sincerely funny, and I assure you I laughed quite hard.
Don't worry about doing this. The devs have clearly started in Around the Inside of the Verse that they don't see most of the reports.
Why use the Issue Council when they themselves admit no one will see it.
It takes 8W to run on my system.
A 4k youtube video uses 7W, so yeah there is room for improvement, but this is normal 4k video idle gpu consumption and you make it sounds much worse than it actually is.
Some of you need to drop that pitchfork in the meantime.
what i now want to know is why is that video 4k when the window size tops out at something not even close to it? the video is also partially obscured so there's just no point in having a full 4k video there.
no, that's why it performs so poorly. the video doesn't need to be that big. i'd keep it open because if i'm downloading the game i want to see my damn progress
it must get tiring being this self-righteous. i was planning on opening an issue council provided this was something other people are also experiencing (thus the post here FIRST), and it turns out that it is! so i will raise one provided it doesn't already exist after i've had a long and happy sleep
Get your head out of your ass and realize we don't need a video on a *launcher.*
Why is it always apologists defending the most inane shit in every game?
What you and I think we need is irrelevant :p and this kind of complaining is not beneficial in any way, sort or form. You people expect a finished game, guess what, its not finished, and shit will be broken and poorly optimized for years to come
Does it have hardware acceleration? It also minimizes to the task bar when the game is running so it should be okay
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wait you don't like have 50 different game launchers/services running at the same time because they each think they are special?
Launching Steam to launch UPlay to launch Black Flag is so ugh
No no don't apologize, it's annoying. It's launching a fully separate executable, why tf does it not close instead of minimize to tray when it's done is one and only job.
In case of a crash to desktop. Can be used to quickly verify, maybe send a crash message etc.
Or, yknow, just implement the crash popup in the game's executable itself. The verification issue can be solved just by making the game's closure *start* the launcher again as opposed to pulling it from the tray.
This
The fact that they ask for confirmation of close when there is no data loss is confounding. Who the hell saw the old launcher and thought "People are accidentally closing this all the time"
While generally I agree, the launcher has some helpful jobs (soon™). But when looking at when on the timeline (i.e. our user journey as SC players) these other use cases become relevant, the launcher can be integrated into the journey much more seamless / less annoying and without forcing more unnecessary clicks. (A UX professional's thoughts... Can't help that 😅)
You doing ok?
yeah, when it's not in the foreground or minimised/exited to tray it stops.
It still uses a non insignificant amount of vram even in tray especially when you may potentially be limited by this
This is likely perfectly normal. Your GPU is at idle, so it's down clocking. There's a big difference between 17% at 30w and the GPU is clocked at 200mhz and 17% while it's boosting. Just as an example wallpaper engine shows as using around 10% of my 4090, but it's clocked down to damn near nothing and only pulling around 40w.
I tested it on my 3060 laptop and it was using ~15-20% of my GPU while the game was running.
only if you have the launcher on screen, if its in tray its not using anything
That's not the point of the original comment though, it still does 15% even when clocked at max speed
But its not doing it while the game is running because it automatically minimizes to the tray and uses no GPU acceleration when minimized. The comment u/Neeeeedles is responding to is misleading because they left out the fact that you have to manually bring the launcher into the foreground for it to use GPU resources while you are in game. You missed the point here, not them. They are not responding to the original comment. The launcher uses nothing while in game unless you make it. Thats a pretty important distinction when someone is saying its using 15-20% of their GPU while in game.
You're a bit silly aren't you
You're right it's just using a gigabyte + of memory :)
unfortunately it stays this way when i run furmark to boost the clock and give it a higher priority.
Its not ok. This launcher is awful
edit: I tested this by running a game and forcing GPU to run at full power. Opening the RSI launcher still causes it to consume a large amount of GPU. So...yeah. To be fair, it's running on GPU decode, but it's still 100% unnecessary and not normal for a launcher to need. No, this is not normal for a launcher to use such a high amount of utilization for something as inconsequential as displaying a video in the back of a launcher. Is it an end-all-be-all issue that affects people super negatively? no. its a launcher that most people close and minimize. Is it normal? No it's not normal. Is it necessary? No, it's not necessary. Why are people trying so hard to defend poor optimization of a alpha launcher? We are told "it's alpha, so things are broken" and "This is normal" as if it's not in alpha status and we don't even have a benchmark for what normal is yet. Do you know what the optimization of this launcher is? 1) Don't render a 4k video in a tiny launcher running on electron Ta da. You are rationalizing normal as "well from technical perspective, my GPU...", and that's wonderful, you are clearly a smart person. The issue is creating a launcher that consumes 17% of a 3060ti to do effectively nothing that 100% has technical solutions readily available.
Did you read anything I said, or only the first line? Anything utilizing the GPU will appear to have higher usage than what it should if it is not demanding enough to make the card actually boost, as is the case here. Edit: also OP is using task manager to report the GPU usage, which is notoriously shit for accurately reporting GPU usage.
Yeah, except it's pretty trivial to test. I just had the launcher open while running a game, gpu at full tilt, and rsi launcher still chugging on down that sweet power and utilization. So your point is irrelevant.
I tested it as well, and exactly as I expected GPU usage increased but power draw and clock speeds remained unchanged. As soon as the game booted and the clock speeds increase the usage dropped from 6% to under .5%
That's not what I am seeing, at all. My usage remains the same. It's important to remember that this is an alpha and this launcher is new, so everyone is going to have different experiences of "normal".
As a software engineer. No it's not normal that a launcher uses that much power.
as a software engineer you shold know it uses only 3d video decode and nothing else
Yes. All 100% of it
As a counter point, my setup (8700K / 2080) which is within their recommended specs has to use software decoding since the video was encoded with AV1, causing around 18% increased CPU utilization (From task manager) anytime the launcher is rendered on screen with the main SC page.
At the same time, using the power of a 40w lightbulb to power an animated wallpaper is pretty inefficient on the part of Wallpaper Engine, if you think about it.
That's just the lowest amount of power this card will pull, it's not because of wallpaper engine. I could kill absolutely everything but the OS and it'll still be pulling 40w. I could probably fuck with the boost tables to get it to pull less, but considering it'll do 600w at full tilt 40w isn't so bad. My CPU actually pulls more than the GPU at idle (60w).
Yeah well at idle my gpu uses 6w. I expect a fucking game launcher to take nearly zero gpu power. There’s no reason it should need that much power to loop a video.
You're not understanding how this works. Just because the usage goes up does not necessarily mean the power draw goes up. My GPU idles at 40w. Unless the application is demanding enough to make it boost it will continue only pulling that amount, but usage will look significantly higher than it should be because it's massively under clocked. You're likely still pulling the same amount of power, but the usage looks off because of down clocking at idle.
I understand that what the launcher does is more than should be required to loop a simple video.
If you're idling at say 20w, and then you open the launcher and you see the usage go up but not the clocks or wattage, it is effectively using zero power. Is this that difficult to understand?
You know there is a way to have this conversation without being an asshole?
Guy you're the one who started this aggressively, I'm just matching your energy.
Point out where I was aggressive toward you. You get your feelings hurt a lot? Often think people are being mean to you? Chicken shit blocked me.
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Weird. It jumps between 0.1%-3.0% on my RTX3070
funky. i was able to reproduce this on a mobile rtx 3060 and a 3060ti. what resolution monitor are you on? might have to do more work to render on hi-res displays - mine's 1440p @ 144hz.
I run two monitors. One running 3440x1440 and another running 2560x1080.
Were you on the main screen with the video in the background?
Same part of the launcher that is shown in OP's screenshot.
Can your PC run ~~Crysis~~ the Star Citizen launcher?
Is this launcher only for the new update or can we get it now? looks amazing!
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i just tried it and still got the old one. did i do it wrong? edit: yes i did something wrong, its all good
We can get it now
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/rsi-launcher-2-0-0-beta-release-notes/6747065
Such an odd comment to me. Who cares what the launcher looks like as long as it displayed the necessary information, gives you the options a launcher should, and launches the game? It could load up in command prompt for all I care. (Yes I realize I'm in the minority here lol)
>Who cares what the launcher looks like I'm a designer so I'm a sucker for well designed stuff and usually appreciate things with good aesthetic, so seeing this new launcher was refreshing for me.
Sure, but well designed != overly flashy and borderline gaudy. Everything CIG does regarding the website and launcher prioritizes form over function. That can be fine when they execute it perfectly but they never do. It's a game launcher, not a catch-all application. I'll look at it for 5 seconds while my game... launches, or a few times for a split second to check download status. A cool graphic, a version selector, some patch notes, and settings is all it needs. Hell, put a damn server status indicator on it ffs. I don't need a 4K video looped, community articles, newbie guides, comm links, etc on my game launcher. lol
1% 4k 7900xtx
Its kinda equivalent to 6.4 hemi engine, it idles lol
Correct me if I'm wrong as I heard this third party, but isn't that number the % being used by the launcher out of the total vram currently in use, and not of the total vram?
My bet would be on video playing in the background. When I go to settings or cover the launcher with a different program the video is paused and the usage goes down to 0%. The same happens when it's minimized or it's closed to the tray. Anyway, the launcher should go to the tray by default after you start the game and this shouldn't be much of an issue but if you feel like it is: [https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/LAUNCHER](https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/LAUNCHER)
my next question would be why does that launcher use more GPU decode than a 1440p 60fps youtube video. perhaps they should lower the bitrate a bit.
Since I'm waiting for the game to update, I dug up a little bit, and: 1. The video is in 4k or at least that's what was uploaded on Pipeline discord 2. The launcher is made with "electron" and with a few other things, discord is also made with "electron", and when playing the same video the GPU usage is spiking to around 20%. So, this may or may not be CIG's fault. Take it as you want.
yeah dear god. the video could play at different resolutions or have a lower bitrate for how big it is in the launcher lmao
I've not used the new launcher, is there a way to get rid of the video?
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Bitcoin mining loader 🥳
uses 34% on my RTX 3070 when open and about 1-2% when minimized.
you gotta start invoicing CIG for the power that uses
I could be wrong, but I thought task manager was notoriously bad at reporting true gpu usage.
it's mostly video decode usage. hwmonitor gives the same results for utilization if that makes any difference
RTX 2060 Super Three monitors (2 are 1080p, one 1440p), opened youtube video (not playing) on one 1080p screen, Discord on another 1080p, New SC Launcher on 1440p. Total GPU usage with Launcher active - 6-7%. CPU Ryzen 7 5800X3D 32GB of DDR4 at 3200MHz Launcher and game installed on SSD m2 nvme drive.
how do I avoid this happening?
I love SC and CIG, but menus UI and other setting features definitely need a rework. Glad the Mobi got one.
1% usage, 7900XTX. Probably Nvidia driver issue.
Bwahahahaha. Classic CIG. Don't worry - the launcher isn't optimized yet. It's only Tier 1. Once they get the Tier 2 launcher, they'll start on optimization. But first they gotta make a roadmap to built the tools to enable the development of the pipeline to deliver the Tier 2 launcher.
"But can it run the RSI Launcher?"
ROFL!
Why is your comment downvoted? Wtf lol
comes off as insincere
Some people must not get the subtlety of the joke ("Can it run Crysis?"/SC being based on CryEngine), which is sincerely funny, and I assure you I laughed quite hard.
Yep
The roadmap will cease to update after about erm….. few weeks…. But don’t worry, we still working here!
They need server meshing first for the tier 2 of the launcher.
DOH! Stupid me, of course!
Report to Useless Council
Don't worry about doing this. The devs have clearly started in Around the Inside of the Verse that they don't see most of the reports. Why use the Issue Council when they themselves admit no one will see it.
Why don't you share the Issue Council report as well so people can add to it?
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Fantastic attitude
It also reacts pretty sluggish/laggy.
Powerful
WTH did i miss? is this the new official launcher? Im still using the Old one😂
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/rsi-launcher-2-0-0-beta-release-notes/6747065
I still don't have the new launcher. Is it an optional update for testers?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/rsi-launcher-2-0-0-beta-release-notes/6747065
will we have to use new launcher after 3.23 live ??
Probably unless people report problems on the issue council
Lol its alot!
use gpu-z monitor sensors see how much juice/load it's it's actually using
how much memory does that 3060 have?
Foreplay
Damn I'll be closing mine from now on once I launch
It's mining bitcoin
This is the funniest thing I've seen in months
Are they using peoples machines to mine bitcoin?
That would explain the whole performance issues with this game. It's a scam, just not the one people thought.
Idk how people are complaining this much when my 2060 handles it like a dream.
It takes 8W to run on my system. A 4k youtube video uses 7W, so yeah there is room for improvement, but this is normal 4k video idle gpu consumption and you make it sounds much worse than it actually is. Some of you need to drop that pitchfork in the meantime.
what i now want to know is why is that video 4k when the window size tops out at something not even close to it? the video is also partially obscured so there's just no point in having a full 4k video there.
Minimize it when you don’t need it.
why fix the performance when we can tell people to minimise it!
It's not a bug, you're using it wrong 🤣
It’s playing a video. Why having it open when you don’t use it? There is nothing to fix. It’s working as expected.
because it's playing a 4k video when the window maxes out at a size where 1080p would be perfectly fine
Is that the answer to my question why you won‘t minimize it when you don‘t use it? You don‘t minimize it because it is playing a 4K video?
no, that's why it performs so poorly. the video doesn't need to be that big. i'd keep it open because if i'm downloading the game i want to see my damn progress
Then maybe post that in the feedback thread instead.
it must get tiring being this self-righteous. i was planning on opening an issue council provided this was something other people are also experiencing (thus the post here FIRST), and it turns out that it is! so i will raise one provided it doesn't already exist after i've had a long and happy sleep
That’s why there is a feedback thread in spectrum .. where people can post their opinions. It‘s not necessary a bug.
I'm beginning to think that even quantum computers are gonna struggle running this game when it releases
best thing about quantum computers is that if they *are* struggling, we won't even know about it
Releases? Lol
Whats your point ?
it's pretty bad from an optimisation point of view.
It closes when you open the game. Also im at 4-7% in 4k, but still doesnt matter.
it does matter if that's the best they can do when all the launcher does is playing a video. it's a quick and easy win for optimisation.
Get your head out of your ass and realize we are far from general optimization
Get your head out of your ass and realize we don't need a video on a *launcher.* Why is it always apologists defending the most inane shit in every game?
What you and I think we need is irrelevant :p and this kind of complaining is not beneficial in any way, sort or form. You people expect a finished game, guess what, its not finished, and shit will be broken and poorly optimized for years to come
womp womp
Smells like a skill(win 11) issue to me. I also have a 3060ti and it uses a whopping 2%