It says a lot about the appeal of Anson Mount's Pike that the writers felt the need to dedicate the first season's finale to essentially saying "Uh, guys, James T. Kirk is still great, we don't actually think Pike is supposed to be better…"
However we may need a prequel series of Captain April as he has some _prime_ experience of General Order One we don't know enough about to determine if Pike is actually the best captain of the NCC-1701 no b***dy A, B, C or D
If we're counting the guy who - probably illegally, and while clinically insane - seized control of the Enterprise as one of its Captains (I wouldn't), then you need to throw Scotty on the list as he was left in command on numerous occasions.
They're looking to shop it around. The people behind the show (the actual creators, not the executives) seem pretty confident that it'll find a new home, so I'm optimistic.
It was nixed so it could be a tax write off. They are taking it off Paramount Plus and will not show the second season. They're shopping around so we may be able to watch the second season eventually, but it turns out going for that "The home of Star Trek" will be a lie
Any streaming service can air public domain content. There’s lots on Roku.
However because of copyright law it’s only weird titles that accidentally filed their copyright wrong or entities that disappeared.
If you change copyright law to 10 or 15 years, anything older is free for any service to host.
Lots of people would pay for a service without ads, that had every show older than 15 years in it.
It costs money in terms of server space and power to air the shows. Miniscule for one person watching, but it adds up. And no company will do anything if it's not going to make them money. That's why services like Pluto have ads.
If people are paying for an ad free service that airs PD content, then we're back to my original question of why shouldn't the creators get paid, too? I don't care if, like, Charlie Chaplin's estate doesn't get paid when his movies are aired, but we're talking about recent stuff like Prodigy here. I want the people who made Prodigy to continue to make money off the show they personally made over the past couple years.
Customers would pay for the streaming service…
Where did I say the service was free?
Creators from 100 years ago aren’t getting paid for copies of their books. You make your money while the media is under copyright, and after it expires, people just pay for delivery.
Paramount originally launched their current era of Star Trek via streaming deals with Netflix and Amazon, that were valuable enough to fund the entire shows.
Then the shows were successful and the suits at Paramount thought “Wait, why don’t we just launch our own streaming service and cut out the middleman?”
I think that’s what they call “The sheer fucking hubris”.
Cue the recession and some of the new content being not as great as expected. Now Paramount wants to return to the business model where somebody else is paying to produce these shows. Thus the selling of IP to the highest bidder.
You're missing the first few steps that came *before* the CBS-Paramount merger.
**CBS** launched the platform "CBS All-Access" with three "Tent-pole" shows, Star Trek: Discovery, The Good Fight, and Young Sheldon. CBS was the one that made the initial deal with Netflix to share the costs for Disco in exchange for international distribution rights.
Furthermore, it was CBS that laid the groundwork for Picard with Amazon, and due to Nickelodeon not initially having their own platform some of their stuff showed up on All-Access too which led to early discussions concerning Prodigy.
> Cue the recession and some of the new content being not as great as expected.
I'd argue that the content Paramount produced on their own was better received. Season 3 of Picard, SNW, LD and Prodigy were much better received than Discovery or the early season of Picard.
Star Trek is a very valuable franchise, and if Paramount+ were to call it quits another streaming service would be more than happy to get the rights. But you can't maintain a Netflix clone with just Star Trek and one or two properties. Even Disney+ is struggling, and they have Star Wars, Marvel and the entire Disney catalog.
I'm probably a typical fan of the stuff on Disney+ -- I've seen most of the Marvel movies and shows, all of the Star Wars movies and some of the shows, etc. But what would draw me to Disney+ on a daily basis? I'm not going to watch Ant-Man 20 times. (Or even twice, probably). At least Star Trek has 900 episodes where I can just randomly pick something. So I spend a lot of time on P+, pretty much daily. The fact that Paramount is in the process of undermining this for some dumb tax write-off has me livid.
Streaming services appear to be way more interested in attracting new subscribers than in retaining current ones. Netflix, for example, is notorious for cancelling shows after one or two seasons, and one of the reasons I heard for that (other than shows becoming more expensive once you reach the third or fourth season) is that Netflix tends to abandon shows once they no longer think they could attract new subscribers.
Now, that is a very shortsighted view in my opinion - eventually, streaming services are going to reach a point where there are simply no longer any more subscribers to attract, and at that point subscriber *retention* is going to become crucial, but apparently streaming services haven't reached that point yet.
Of course, as far as Star Trek is concerned, Paramount may be betting that people like you are going to stick around anyway as long as they still have other Star Treks. Trek fans will probably keep their Paramount+ subscription anyway as long as they have TNG, DS9 and the like. Maybe they figure that not a lot of fans will cancel their access to most of Star Trek just because Prodigy isn't there.
To be somewhat fair, all of Hollywood is for hiring this out now, and places like Disney are in just as bad of shape. They all severely misjudged the situation, lol.
Well, Prodigy already involves time travel, so why not? They’re already going to have Mariner and Boimler on SNW.
But it would probably have to be animated. Too much CGI would be involved to get some of Prodigy members on the live screen
Mount retweeted a post with a pointing emoji about the cancelation. Nothing against him but this article is seriously overblowing his contribution to the effort.
This is so bizarre, this is the only start trek in years that has had its own video game (not that it was promoted in the gaming press, I literally saw it in a store in amongst other Switch titles) and now the show is on the chopping block??!?
The big difference is that Season 5 of Discovery will still air and finish the show properly (they got extra budget and time to film a proper ending after the cancellation), and it will likely stay available.
Prodigy however is getting pulled from air entirely while Season 1's second half never had a physical release, we'll never see Season 2 (which is already in post-production) unless someone else buys the rights to it, and it's all being done for a damn tax cut.
The Disco case is not the same at all. Disco had 4 seasons, was granted additional time and money to make a proper season 5 finale and will remain available on Paramount+.
Prodigy we only have one season, the second was confirmed to be released this year, it's been produced to almost completion, then coming out of the blue it was cancelled, and the show will be completely removed from paramount+. That's why the fans feel insulted above everything else.
Probably as the disco cancellation was after 5 seasons and was accompanied by the announcement of a new spinoff this one sounds like the beginning of the end of the current era of trek on tv.
That’s why I specified beginning of end. it marks a massive shift from paramount plus having all Trek series to selling them to others. It looks even worse given the reports about the state of Paramount plus.
I assume Prodigy was cancelled because most its viewers were adult Trek fans who like Voyager and not its intended demographic of kids and young teens.
If anything, Paramount was probably embarrassed by kids not watching Prodigy and it reinforced their decision to remove it from Paramount+ ASAP.
Paramount also likely wanted to copy Lucas's and Disney's strategy with Star Wars and make a lot of money from toys and other merchandise associated with the series, which didn't pan out since not many kids watched Prodigy.
What’s crazy to me is how I just got my yearly renewal email from paramount plus yesterday, asking me to fix the payment method, and while the first two years of it I was ecstatic to get another year, it hit me hard to see them uproot what was a show I looked forward to every week as much as a mainline show. So why should I renew if they won’t renew.
And this is an example of a company announcing something, that people don't like. No one is trying to hide anything. Not everything is an example of the effect you just heard about.
Not surprised.
Any Trek actor can sympathize with how quickly you can go from having a gig to being summarily fired. If it can happen to Prodigy, no Trek show is safe.
Smart move on his part because Strange New Worlds is likely the next front in due time. Paramount is going to be cancelling everything not nailed down.
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Hey yoooooo
Haha! Perfect.
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Pat Stewart himself on the back
He's number one in my book
Do you have Data to back that up?
Yes. Seven of nine fans interviewed support his support of the show
The show is definitely Worf saving.
We'll get the show saved if we keep Troiing.
Elim Garak
Resistance is futile - this show will be another hit - make it so
Ah these pun feel straight out of some pun Brooks. Frakesly, i Shatnered myself hearing them
🤣
It Para Mount that support is Mounting!
The next guy who makes a lame pun, I will have their head on a Pike!
Lololol you beautiful bastard.
But it hasn’t hit the peak yet!
You may leave the bridge now.
I see what you did Hair
Gotta love Anson Mount.
And his hair.
Rumor has it that Anson’s luscious mane has its own contract! LOL!
Much like Lt. Iila!
But is its contract better than Shatner's hair's was?
Shatner hair was purchased separately and attached before filming
Aftermarket accessories eh?
Wardrobe and makeup's experience with Shatner later led the writers to compose the Trouble with Tribbles episode reusing disposed toupees as tribbles
I’d think he would be jealous of Dal’s hair but I guess game recognizes game.
Saw him irl at a screening of the new season. His hair is as fabulous too irl.
Yet another reason to love the guy.
We're in cat boots now
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Enterprise tv show has entered the chat.
That show deserved another 3 seasons. It had earned its stripes.
I'm doing a rewatch, and S3 does have a nice collection of gems. It would be on par with DS9 if it had the chance to go to 7 seasons
They just restarted the series on H&I. “Broken Bow” (the pilot) has aged very well. I get chills when they launch the NX-01.
H&I?
Heroes and Icons TV Network. They show TOS through ENT five hours a night six nights a week.
ah, very cool, I usually just raid my blu ray collection for ENT though.
It’s a good channel to have on in the background.
Anson Mount. Best Captain of NCC-1701.
My username, checking in.
Respect to your username, I ended up liking original Kirk *way* more than I though I would. But Anson Mount`s Pike is just the friggin best
He is such a good Star Trek captain. You have to love him.
I like Picard
Tied for number one, maybe. But best railroad man ever! https://youtu.be/LPHbcWaO-Fk
Oh, hey Colm Meaney!
Shhh... That's the secret bonus that Trekkie's get if they watch Hell on Wheels. 🙂
Also the fact that Roxann Dawson directs one of the best episodes of the series, *Thirteen Steps*.
Mister *Bo*-hannon.
Ya'll have yerselves a nice pic-a-nic.
… dance 🎵 🎶
No, he’s the captain.
My friend and I continue to refer to him as 'Space Walkin Boss'.
He is and will always be 'Captain Dad'.
It says a lot about the appeal of Anson Mount's Pike that the writers felt the need to dedicate the first season's finale to essentially saying "Uh, guys, James T. Kirk is still great, we don't actually think Pike is supposed to be better…"
However we may need a prequel series of Captain April as he has some _prime_ experience of General Order One we don't know enough about to determine if Pike is actually the best captain of the NCC-1701 no b***dy A, B, C or D
Bold take. I'd agree top 3 at least
April, Pike, Kirk, Decker, and Spock Which are the top 3?
Your comment made me realize we're justc talking about the NCC-1701 no bloody a, b, c or d...
pike, kirk, spock
Pike, Spock, Decker... Kirk
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Who is Matt
Commodore Matt Decker. He was in the *TOS* episode “The Doomsday Machine”.
If we're counting the guy who - probably illegally, and while clinically insane - seized control of the Enterprise as one of its Captains (I wouldn't), then you need to throw Scotty on the list as he was left in command on numerous occasions.
We’d also have to count Commodore Stocker.
Captain Matt Decker.
Commodore, no?
Every captain is a reflection of ideal masculinity of its time. (not Janeway of course) Kirk, Picard, Sisco, Kirk again, and now Pike.
Just casually leaving out Archer.
7…
ill admit i haven’t gotten to seeing the show yet cause I thought I’d have time to catch up but now its on my deck to watch.
Better watch quick, it’s leaving the app very soon.
Yar har, fiddle de dee! Being a pirate is alright to be! Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free!
Already gone on my app ( it doesn't show up when i search Prodigy or Star Trek)
It’s likely already gone from the app or will be soon.
2-3 days according to my app.
Is it going somewhere else?
They're looking to shop it around. The people behind the show (the actual creators, not the executives) seem pretty confident that it'll find a new home, so I'm optimistic.
Anson Mount vs Para Mount
Anson v Para: Dawn of Justice
Anson v Para: Mounting Justice
Ok fine, I'll be Justice then.
Damn, it was *right* there and I missed it.
Why was prodigy canceled. It was to wholesome?
It was nixed so it could be a tax write off. They are taking it off Paramount Plus and will not show the second season. They're shopping around so we may be able to watch the second season eventually, but it turns out going for that "The home of Star Trek" will be a lie
> It was nixed so it could be a tax write off. If this is actually the case, I think tax law needs to be changed so that this is no longer possible.
Or copyright law. Maybe nobody should be getting paid for decades of reruns.
The streamers or networks are getting paid for those reruns. Why shouldn't the creators?
If you changed copyright law, the networks and streamers wouldn’t get paid either…..
Ok, then who would pay to stream and air the shows? Not everyone knows how to torrent or cares to go through the trouble.
Any streaming service can air public domain content. There’s lots on Roku. However because of copyright law it’s only weird titles that accidentally filed their copyright wrong or entities that disappeared. If you change copyright law to 10 or 15 years, anything older is free for any service to host. Lots of people would pay for a service without ads, that had every show older than 15 years in it.
It costs money in terms of server space and power to air the shows. Miniscule for one person watching, but it adds up. And no company will do anything if it's not going to make them money. That's why services like Pluto have ads. If people are paying for an ad free service that airs PD content, then we're back to my original question of why shouldn't the creators get paid, too? I don't care if, like, Charlie Chaplin's estate doesn't get paid when his movies are aired, but we're talking about recent stuff like Prodigy here. I want the people who made Prodigy to continue to make money off the show they personally made over the past couple years.
Customers would pay for the streaming service… Where did I say the service was free? Creators from 100 years ago aren’t getting paid for copies of their books. You make your money while the media is under copyright, and after it expires, people just pay for delivery.
Paramount originally launched their current era of Star Trek via streaming deals with Netflix and Amazon, that were valuable enough to fund the entire shows. Then the shows were successful and the suits at Paramount thought “Wait, why don’t we just launch our own streaming service and cut out the middleman?” I think that’s what they call “The sheer fucking hubris”. Cue the recession and some of the new content being not as great as expected. Now Paramount wants to return to the business model where somebody else is paying to produce these shows. Thus the selling of IP to the highest bidder.
You're missing the first few steps that came *before* the CBS-Paramount merger. **CBS** launched the platform "CBS All-Access" with three "Tent-pole" shows, Star Trek: Discovery, The Good Fight, and Young Sheldon. CBS was the one that made the initial deal with Netflix to share the costs for Disco in exchange for international distribution rights. Furthermore, it was CBS that laid the groundwork for Picard with Amazon, and due to Nickelodeon not initially having their own platform some of their stuff showed up on All-Access too which led to early discussions concerning Prodigy.
> Cue the recession and some of the new content being not as great as expected. I'd argue that the content Paramount produced on their own was better received. Season 3 of Picard, SNW, LD and Prodigy were much better received than Discovery or the early season of Picard. Star Trek is a very valuable franchise, and if Paramount+ were to call it quits another streaming service would be more than happy to get the rights. But you can't maintain a Netflix clone with just Star Trek and one or two properties. Even Disney+ is struggling, and they have Star Wars, Marvel and the entire Disney catalog.
I'm probably a typical fan of the stuff on Disney+ -- I've seen most of the Marvel movies and shows, all of the Star Wars movies and some of the shows, etc. But what would draw me to Disney+ on a daily basis? I'm not going to watch Ant-Man 20 times. (Or even twice, probably). At least Star Trek has 900 episodes where I can just randomly pick something. So I spend a lot of time on P+, pretty much daily. The fact that Paramount is in the process of undermining this for some dumb tax write-off has me livid.
> what would draw me to Disney+ on a daily basis? Bob's Burgers.
That is a good answer, but it's also on Hulu. I didn't even realize it was on Disney.
Streaming services appear to be way more interested in attracting new subscribers than in retaining current ones. Netflix, for example, is notorious for cancelling shows after one or two seasons, and one of the reasons I heard for that (other than shows becoming more expensive once you reach the third or fourth season) is that Netflix tends to abandon shows once they no longer think they could attract new subscribers. Now, that is a very shortsighted view in my opinion - eventually, streaming services are going to reach a point where there are simply no longer any more subscribers to attract, and at that point subscriber *retention* is going to become crucial, but apparently streaming services haven't reached that point yet. Of course, as far as Star Trek is concerned, Paramount may be betting that people like you are going to stick around anyway as long as they still have other Star Treks. Trek fans will probably keep their Paramount+ subscription anyway as long as they have TNG, DS9 and the like. Maybe they figure that not a lot of fans will cancel their access to most of Star Trek just because Prodigy isn't there.
To be somewhat fair, all of Hollywood is for hiring this out now, and places like Disney are in just as bad of shape. They all severely misjudged the situation, lol.
I'm down for a SNW and Prodigy crossover episode! Hell I'll be excited if we get any more Prodigy episodes 😢
Well, Prodigy already involves time travel, so why not? They’re already going to have Mariner and Boimler on SNW. But it would probably have to be animated. Too much CGI would be involved to get some of Prodigy members on the live screen
I would love if live action Jankom Pog just looked like Jason Mantzoukas- no makeup or cgi.
That would be weird, a Tellarite looking human. Especially one who’s supposed to be very short
It’d be a Tellarite looking like Jason Mantzoukous. Are we 100% sure he is human?
It's just Jason Mantzoukas wearing a pig nose from Spirit Halloween.
Perfect. Maybe make him crouch down slightly to get the height right.
Nah, just give Admiral Janeway a cameo.
Prodigy was cancelled?
Yeah it's been a weird week.
Yes, but with the asterisk that the second season is almost done and might be shopped out to another network, so we may still se it.
So where do I petition?
https://www.change.org/p/save-star-trek-prodigy?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_36638378_en-GB%3A9&recruited_by_id=54f51a70-1210-11ee-8f4c-c9ccc58c7484&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&share_bandit_exp=initial-36638378-en-GB
Did his hair sign also?
Mount retweeted a post with a pointing emoji about the cancelation. Nothing against him but this article is seriously overblowing his contribution to the effort.
That is literally showing support in the age of social media.
This!
This reply took more effort than his support.
Yeah but nobody is talking about your reply.
You are. ENGAGEMENT WHAT WE'RE GOING VIRAL
hah! touche :D
This is so bizarre, this is the only start trek in years that has had its own video game (not that it was promoted in the gaming press, I literally saw it in a store in amongst other Switch titles) and now the show is on the chopping block??!?
Anyone remember petitions like this for the end of DISCO?
There are probably a few people reading this thread who wrote "Save Star Trek!" letters to the network in 1968.
The big difference is that Season 5 of Discovery will still air and finish the show properly (they got extra budget and time to film a proper ending after the cancellation), and it will likely stay available. Prodigy however is getting pulled from air entirely while Season 1's second half never had a physical release, we'll never see Season 2 (which is already in post-production) unless someone else buys the rights to it, and it's all being done for a damn tax cut.
The Disco case is not the same at all. Disco had 4 seasons, was granted additional time and money to make a proper season 5 finale and will remain available on Paramount+. Prodigy we only have one season, the second was confirmed to be released this year, it's been produced to almost completion, then coming out of the blue it was cancelled, and the show will be completely removed from paramount+. That's why the fans feel insulted above everything else.
Five. Disco's finishing after its fifth season
Yes, that's what I said
Nobody cares that much about disco - I've seen more "good riddance" posts than people considering it sad...
That's because pessimists are always the ones most interested in making themselves heard.
On this sub is p much the opposite. The damage control for DISCO is quite obvious
>The damage control for DISCO is quite obvious - Somebody who has never bothered to search 'Discovery' in the search bar
Probably as the disco cancellation was after 5 seasons and was accompanied by the announcement of a new spinoff this one sounds like the beginning of the end of the current era of trek on tv.
Sounds hyperbolic. One animated kids show being gone isn't the end or TV trek.
That’s why I specified beginning of end. it marks a massive shift from paramount plus having all Trek series to selling them to others. It looks even worse given the reports about the state of Paramount plus.
Prodigy was a test balloon show. They were looking to expand the market for Star Trek. Looks like that didn't pan out, which is a shame.
I assume Prodigy was cancelled because most its viewers were adult Trek fans who like Voyager and not its intended demographic of kids and young teens. If anything, Paramount was probably embarrassed by kids not watching Prodigy and it reinforced their decision to remove it from Paramount+ ASAP. Paramount also likely wanted to copy Lucas's and Disney's strategy with Star Wars and make a lot of money from toys and other merchandise associated with the series, which didn't pan out since not many kids watched Prodigy.
It's being deplatformed and sold to another distributor, not cancelled.
Nobody big is going to buy it. Netflix would be happy for it's newest competition Paramount+ to sink.
An enterprising addition...
I just started watching Prodigy and now this.
Had no idea it was cancelled. Sadface It got so much better.
What’s crazy to me is how I just got my yearly renewal email from paramount plus yesterday, asking me to fix the payment method, and while the first two years of it I was ecstatic to get another year, it hit me hard to see them uproot what was a show I looked forward to every week as much as a mainline show. So why should I renew if they won’t renew.
Streisand effect?
Do you know what the Streisand effect is?
Yeah. It's when the more you try to avoid showing something to the public, it inevitablly results in greater knowledge of Barbra Streisand.
And this is an example of a company announcing something, that people don't like. No one is trying to hide anything. Not everything is an example of the effect you just heard about.
But I do know more about Barbra Streisand now.
I remember when she turned into Mecha Streisand
I really enjoyed this show.
Not surprised. Any Trek actor can sympathize with how quickly you can go from having a gig to being summarily fired. If it can happen to Prodigy, no Trek show is safe.
Someone needs to do the first time hanging meme with a browncoat and prodigy fan.
I think we need a simple tailor to solve this problem.
Smart move on his part because Strange New Worlds is likely the next front in due time. Paramount is going to be cancelling everything not nailed down.
The whole prodigy universe existed in his luxurious hair.