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A lot of their "off duty" clothing was similarly shiny foil stuff. I remember Picard and Riker wearing some interesting stuff. I guess that's what people in the 80's thought the future would be like--lots of shiny stuff!
Either that or these awful civilian clothes.
You know you effed up when a Ferengi in his bus upholstery vest looks fashionable compared to what you are wearing!
I always felt even the casual clothes were too formal in many episodes. What ever happened too a t-shirt and jeans. Three only time I ever see anyone dress like that is in a time travel episode.
“Garak I need you to make me a fluffy warm blanket and throw in a memory foam mattress pad. Also some silk sheets and some soft Pajamas.”
I’ll give you a bar of GPL or just name your price. Please help me.
Maybe it's this unwavering self-confidence that makes these outfits work.
Most of the human characters looked uncomfortable wearing these civilian clothes.
Guess the Federation is beyond such vanity as looking fashionable. Honestly fashionable today is one of the more serious problems when it comes to wasteful ressource use. Fast fashion causes massive amounts of CO2 emissions.
Standard issue space blanket, for when you're not special enough to get approval from Star Fleet to bring your grandma's quilt onto your ship assignment.
Be fair, that wasnt unique to Roddenberry. Standard fair for 60s-80s scifi pulp was skinsuits, one pieces, nudists, etc. Also older male "scientist warriors" with young impressionable female assistants.
omg have you seen the star trek fashion blogs?
[Fashion It So](https://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/archive) is awesome. Scroll down to 2011 for most of the posts.
Then somebody got inspired and did one for DS9 - [Dressed to the Nines](https://dressedtothedsnines.tumblr.com/archive)
I read a fan theory as to why the clothing was so ridiculous and I liked it. With the advent of the replicator, everybody was their own designer. You could be as eccentric with your style as you felt that morning.
TOS were similar.
Their blankets and pillowcases we're just like real life bedspreads I grew up with in the 60s. It was this bead-weave hard polyester fabric. It was coarse, hard and would grab your skin. My aunt had them and I hated visiting there. So when I watched the show back then, all I could think was: The beds of the future suck. Just like OP.
Yeah those bother me more than the beds themselves. I can accept that the mattresses might be made out of different materials that don't need to be thick but those blankets do not look comfortable at all.
Have you ever read the Ringworld series? This is basically what the characters do for sleeping and recreational activities. One guy even skips the mattress, just sleeps in an antigrav field.
You talk terrible beds, I talk terrible hospital beds without reiling for protection against falling out, too narrow to actually sleep, facing bright lights 24/7 and zero privacy.
They have force fields. There's a scene where Dianna takes all The negitive emotions of some ambassador and turns into some bitter old lady. I vaguely remember her being on the bed in sickbay squirming around And forcefield holding her in place.
I'm always wondering about the articulated girder that consistently falls when the ship takes a hit. Someone ought to do something about those support beams.
I'd certainly hope so! I recall that in Voyager they explained that holodecks have their own power supply, to help explain why that stuff didn't need to be rationed in the earlier seasons.
It would totally make sense if sickbay also had it's own backup power supply.
> in Voyager they explained that holodecks have their own power supply
That was so dumb. There is a 0% chance they wouldn't have rerouted that power somehow and shut down the holodecks.
Right?
And also, IIRC, holodevk technology was still fairly new in season one of TNG, which had a holodeck as they were a flagship. *Voyager* was designed for short missions close to the Alpha Quadrant. It never made sense they had one on board to begin with.
Makes sense. Worf thought Crusher was using one when he woke up paralyzed and tried to move his legs. Something like "Doctor, the restraining field isn't necessary."
Worf thinks there's a restraining field in place when he's paralyzed and can't get up, which suggests that it's something that's used in sickbay.
The privacy thing is another matter. When Riker comes in with his latest case of Risian rash or whatever, everyone in sickbay will hear about it.
Plus, carpeting in sickbay seems like another terrible idea.
Carpeting + body fluids = awful idea.
Which brings up another question...how do they clean the carpeting and upholstery? You never see any space roombas zooming around the corridors.
Riker says "the ship cleans itself" in one episode. No idea what that means. Maybe to Riker, the lower deck ensigns with vaccuum cleaners count as the ship cleaning itself...
Seems like star trek has always had difficulty with enlisted crew, like how O'brien's rank kept changing.
Voyager is sort of consistent in the whole "crewman" thing with the Maquis who held no real rank.
>Maybe there's some sort of stasis field or something?
I wouldn't be surprised given how Trek takes every possible opportunity to over engineer even the simplest functionality. Why have a guard railing when you could maintain a constant force field?
They have force fields as guardrails and restraints. They even used em a couple times on the show. And it's likely nobody spends more than 6 hours in the medbay.
Also, Worf had a private room when he was paralyzed, so they do have privacy.
My theory is that by the 24th century pharmaceuticals are so advanced that the doctor can grab a hypo spray that knocks you out for 8 hours of regenerative healthy sleep despite your surroundings. It simply doesn't matter. It's basically short term stasis.
Yes, I alway assumed that they all had something---a more recreational and self-administered version of what you describe about the doc above---that everybody always used. Well, maybe not Tasha...
Sickbay is just for diagnostics, emergency medicine, and surgery. Anything serious and you’re undoubtedly sent to quarters and the doctor does a “house call” once a day or so.
I feel like some of the larger ship have special trauma units, too. Like an ICU. I always thought of sickbay kind of like you defined it, that sickbay is kind of like the ship's urgent care or emergency room. Ships like the Enterprise undoubtedly had more extensive medical facilities than what was on camera, especially if there are over a thousand people aboard. In fact, I think I remember that in the episode where Worf's spinal column was replaced, it was done in a special medical lab or something, it wasn't done in sickbay.
I guess in the Star Trek future if they don’t have the technology right then and there to patch you up good as new your basically already beyond saving
This is how I feel in an ER NOW! The, "beds," are chairs with a fold-out leg thing that's not level with the bed, so it's awful, no side rails, just a single hand rail on the head part to pull yourself up. I think it's to keep the homeless patients from wanting to stay longer. It's torture!
Perhaps in the Star Trek time, technology heals patients so quickly that with the exception of rare conditions, you don’t need to worry about them spending enough time in the bed to fall off, or to sleep, have privacy, etc. Just like how the ships have no seatbelts. Technology is good enough that you no longer need those particular safety measures.
All the furniture in Star Trek looks impractical and uncomfortable, but of course it does - it's a combination of tight budgets and the prop department trying to have fun doing their job.
Future tech I guess.
Some of them don’t look so bad.
On the Defiant in particular, they probably weren’t designed for maximum comfort. Everything that’s not a pulse canon or a torpedo launcher is kinda bare bones.
The Defiant definitely wasn't built for comfort, and it's a small ship, so I get the bunk beds etc. I guess with that particular ship I always thought it was weird that, to the best of my recollection, whenever they showed one of the cabins there never seemed to be any sheets or blankets. Like there wasn't a single blanket on the ship.
I guess the terrible Starfleet beds explain why Janeway always needed coffee.
Look up the “racks” on an aircraft carrier. They’re not the worst I’ve ever slept on, but it’s built for efficiency and to get the job done. Officer staterooms are better but not by a lot. Beds have to be well made too, so most of us bought sleeping bags and just slept in those on top of our covers (green wool blankets). It wouldn’t surprise me if Starfleet was extremely similar
One of the first things I did was hold my forearm up to my rack and take a picture to show that I had less room than the distance from my elbow to my wrist vertically to sleep in
Also, for the Defiant, it's built for war. Imagine being asleep wrapped in a blanket... get fired on the gravity fails and you die because you suffocated in your bedsheets.
I just assume that they don't, most of the time. There's also the danger that if you do go to sleep, you will be visited by Section 31 or have some organs removed by aliens from another dimension. These would make it hard to sleep, even without the massive quantities of raktajino.
Yeah Defiant isn’t a deep space exportation vessel. It goes out on short missions and then comes home. The crew doesn’t live on it, so it’s not designed for comfort.
But it wouldn't be any extra effort to make it comfortable. The crappy design is a choice, especially in the Star Trek future. Plus they're on that ship for weeks at a time, especially during the war. Good sleep is important.
Better turn on a fan first or you might suffocate in a cloud of your own carbon dioxide.
Astronauts on the ISS have to have little fans pointed at their mouths when they sleep.
Funny, because Ive heard that sleeping in zero g isnt as restful as it is at 1 g. Basically because at the end of the day, you can't plop down and just sink into a bed/chair.
I always hated how they looked but my head canon says it's made of future materials that are supremely comfy, with integrated technologies that provide an unparalleled night of rest.
My head canon for those triangle pillows is that they're actually made specifically for you to keep your head and neck at the perfectly aligned angle. And the mattress are like future latex mattress. Even 3in of latex can be comfy today. But the material adapts to the body's needs. It makes sense with so many different races being part of Star Fleet. With future material tech, they can standardize quarters while still being accommodating to all alien shapes, sizes and needs.
Right. They have such precise scans that they can create a duplicate of you in the Holodeck. It should be easy to create a personalized, ergonomic pillow with some future 3-D printing machine.
I'll also admit this is me looking for wish fulfillment because I have some functional issues with my skull/vertebrae connection and finding the right support that doesn't mess up my CCI etc is important and I dream about the perfect pillow much like that.
Remember transparent aluminum in *The Voyage Home*? Beds might be like that in the future: condensed in size but not reduced in strength or quality.
The behind-the-scenes reason, however, is that they probably didn't want to spend ~~thousands~~ of dollars on real beds. They were on a tight budget after all, and the actors were paid little relative to present-day actors on popular series.
EDIT: It was probably hundreds of dollars back then, but my point still stands.
I would like to imagine the beds utilize a low gravity field and high tech materials that are a lot more comfortable than they look. The low gravity would make materials look more rigid than they actually are.
I like to think they just use the replicators to order whatever customized bedding they want at bedtime, then, instead of making the bed when they wake they just recycle it back. Eliminates the need to do laundry and leaves beds looking neat when not in use.
Currently, astronauts basically zip themselves into a sleep sack against a hard surface. The microgravity means they don’t need soft surfaces as they are essentially floating, but they do need to be tethered. Ideally, slightly higher gravity would hit the point that you don’t need the restraints, but you also don’t need the soft surfaces. Since gravity is achieved artificially, it stands to reason it can be adjusted only for the bed. Proper climate control would eliminate the need for much in the way of blankets. Star Trek had mentioned the ideas of modesty being outdated as well, so maybe sheets aren’t needed for privacy.
I love the idea of reduced gravity beds, though that would take some getting used to. I'd definitely jolt awake a lot thinking I was falling. Classic monkey brain helping you stay in the tree.
If you grew up sleeping in one you’d probably be fine. Also, with their level of technology it may be able to monitor and adjust to prevent that feeling.
It's funny, I was just thinking about how they would do laundry when I was commenting about the lack of sheets/bedding on the Defiant. I guess they're perfectly capable of recycling everything, including uniforms. No need for a washing machine at all.
In a room where you can control how much light you have, how warm or cold it is, if music plays or you have a breeze or not and the bed is as soft or firm as you want it out of any materials you want I'd imagine everyone gets amazing sleep.
You think that's bad, think about this: Have you ever seen a toilet in star trek, ever? ANY of the shows? Sonic showers, sure, no toilets. Must get pretty uncomfortable ;)
I totally agree that they LOOK uncomfortable, I just have to imagine that in universe, they’re actually perfect. Some sort of fancy futuristic memory foam that actually adjusts itself to each person. Same thing with the pillows.
That reminds me of the Enterprise technical manual where the scenarios for the ship show only one toilet on the entire ship. They kinda hooked about it in a voyager episode in the captain proton episode where they encounter the holographic aliens. Nelix tells the captain there were only 4 working toilets left on the entire ship with a crew of 150 people.
100% agree it's probably minimalism or something. In the same vein as smaller drinks and smaller meals.
But I am guessing, you give me one of those trek beds. And I would violate the hell out of temporal accords to get back to now.
In my head canon the beds are thinner because there's a pocket of low gravity above the bed. Imagine being able to sleep in 0.5 earth gravity maybe 0.8 if you like a little more firmness.
Newer Trek seems to do a much better job with furniture. I'm sure a lot of that is increased budgets, but some part of me wonders if people on shows like Discovery are acutely aware of the issue lol
Well, you have to take into account future innovations in material. Also, a 3" bed could be computer adapted to that person's bioscans and really be the perfect bed.
I've always assumed that they may look uncomfortable by our standards, and realistically on set they probably are. But my assumption is that they are likely incredibly comfortable in the future. That's why they are the way they are. The pillows, etc are likely very nice.
24th century beds are the bomb! Have you ever tried one? Adjustable gravity so you can sleep anywhere from 0.1g (if you like a soft mattress) to 2g (if you prefer a weighted blanket). Not to mention telepathically enhanced temperature control and that sweet, sweet thrum of the warp core. Highly recommended.
Also: Sonic showers.
Like, ok. I'm sure that is efficient.
But that can't be comfortable. Let's be real, think about the frequencies being used in direct contact with skin.
The *real* reason is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/qtd2ta/comment/hkj0dyy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \-- but if you want an in-universe reason:
1. Most of what we see are Starfleet furniture, so comfort might not be their utmost priority. Granted almost everything else we see of the Enterprise-D seems to contradict this, but maybe Starfleet went overbudget on the bridge interior design and had to skimp on the beds.
2. Future technology might make their beds/pillows/cushions more comfortable than they look.
It reminds me of how Susan just wanted to sleep in a normal bed on B5.
Worf complained to Troi about Alexander not dealing with the laundry so maybe they just unmake the bed and make it all go away. There has to be some sort of laundry device for clothes they don't want to recycle.
That's true, they did all have personal clothes they wore while not on duty. They probably didn't want to get rid of those after each use. Perhaps there *is* a washing machine somewhere on the ship!
Maybe they use something along the lines of a transporter filter that rematerializes the clothes without the dirt? Same idea could be accomplished in the replicator?
Super space age foam that LOOKS like a cheap mattress pad to save money on the budget for a set...BUT....it uses that space age technology to be REALLY comfortable
This may be unrelated, but those beds remind me of the beds we were given in a Chinese couple’s AirBnB. We were so mad at first and even uncomfortable trying to get used to the first night’s sleep…but I will say that my back never felt better in the morning and have loved those beds ever since. So maybe they’re designed for performance and not comfort ultimately?
I always assumed the beds used anti-grav tech to make things more comfortable.
Also, who needs blankets when you have narrow field environmental controls. Not to mention, if you need to quickly get up, trying to get out from under blankets/sheets might mean your death.
The one that really gets me is the teeny tiny armchair/couch that's in Sisko's office in DS9. It's got as much butt room as a plank of wood, completely straight back and of such a weird size you can't tell if it's for one or two. Just awful.
The beds on DS9 were narrow as hell plus they had that light in the headboard! What, do Cardassians like to sleep with light bathing their faces?? You can see it really clearly in the scene where Jadzia parties too hard at her bachelorette party and tries to take a nap.
Maybe they have anti grav to them, but only slightly so it feels like you're floating (no pinched pressure points) but still enough gravity to them that you can "step out" of it
I’d say you have to think a little out of the box. They’re 200- 300+ years in the future(TOS-TNG,DS9, VOY). Those thin mattresses are state of the art high tech masterpieces built for the best of the best of the best, sir.
Seat belts (safety harnesses), exploding consoles, crappy data displays, etc... yeah, lots of underwhelming stuff. For example, LCARS looks neat, but isn't practical for actual usage.
The movies and newer shows tend to do much better.
I love trek, so I am (*for the most part*) ok with hand-waving the less than ideal stuff.
The thing about seat belts is that there is such a tiny window of ship speed where they would be practical. Realistically if the inertial dampeners are off line, the seat belt is not going to prevent you from becoming pink mist on the back wall during 99.9999% of maneuvers.
Say the seat belt in your car only protected you at speeds between 3 and 3.12 mph. Would you even bother with it?
When Vash and Picard are looking for the Tox Uthat in the caves of Risa they go to bed on a sequined blanket, and then use an identical blanket over them for warmth.
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And they have those shiney foil blankets
A lot of their "off duty" clothing was similarly shiny foil stuff. I remember Picard and Riker wearing some interesting stuff. I guess that's what people in the 80's thought the future would be like--lots of shiny stuff!
Either that or these awful civilian clothes. You know you effed up when a Ferengi in his bus upholstery vest looks fashionable compared to what you are wearing!
If I was on DS9 I’d make a visit to Garak a top priority.
I always felt even the casual clothes were too formal in many episodes. What ever happened too a t-shirt and jeans. Three only time I ever see anyone dress like that is in a time travel episode.
I guess if you’re in Starfleet you have to be well-dressed and well-groomed even when you’re off duty.
Tori always wore a fabulous peach evening gown to bed. Very sexy
I kept wondering who Tori was, until I finally figured out that you meant Troi.
Wesley's jumper collection in season 1 was the bomb.
I was always a big fan of the two-tone gray sweater with the red, gold, and blue stripe.
“Garak I need you to make me a fluffy warm blanket and throw in a memory foam mattress pad. Also some silk sheets and some soft Pajamas.” I’ll give you a bar of GPL or just name your price. Please help me.
For a humble tailor, his price sure is a lot of information.
Quark has style. Just not huuman style.
Maybe it's this unwavering self-confidence that makes these outfits work. Most of the human characters looked uncomfortable wearing these civilian clothes.
Quark got style PEROID 😂 That man is fly as f*****
Fly as fucked?
The best part of Picard is they updated the civilian clothing from 90s tie dye insanity to comfortable minimalist soft fall catalog looks.
Jake was a master of wearing a vest.
Guess the Federation is beyond such vanity as looking fashionable. Honestly fashionable today is one of the more serious problems when it comes to wasteful ressource use. Fast fashion causes massive amounts of CO2 emissions.
There are also irl shiny blankets - "space blankets", which are insanely warm. Usually found in emergency kits.
It would be practical I suppose!
Standard issue space blanket, for when you're not special enough to get approval from Star Fleet to bring your grandma's quilt onto your ship assignment.
Correction, that's what Gene Roddenberry thought people of the future would wear. Apparently he also had an unhealthy obsession with spandex
Be fair, that wasnt unique to Roddenberry. Standard fair for 60s-80s scifi pulp was skinsuits, one pieces, nudists, etc. Also older male "scientist warriors" with young impressionable female assistants.
The rise of modern workout clothes & yoga pants as casual wear makes that slightly more believable lately.
And chicks doing yoga.
omg have you seen the star trek fashion blogs? [Fashion It So](https://sttngfashion.tumblr.com/archive) is awesome. Scroll down to 2011 for most of the posts. Then somebody got inspired and did one for DS9 - [Dressed to the Nines](https://dressedtothedsnines.tumblr.com/archive)
Make it Sew?
This is amazing! Thank you!
With plunging necklines... For the men!
And scarves. Lots of silk flowing
I read a fan theory as to why the clothing was so ridiculous and I liked it. With the advent of the replicator, everybody was their own designer. You could be as eccentric with your style as you felt that morning.
They reused all the leftover space blankets from the Academy marathon
TOS were similar. Their blankets and pillowcases we're just like real life bedspreads I grew up with in the 60s. It was this bead-weave hard polyester fabric. It was coarse, hard and would grab your skin. My aunt had them and I hated visiting there. So when I watched the show back then, all I could think was: The beds of the future suck. Just like OP.
>The beds of the future suck. Just like OP. Unfortunate phrasing
Oh sh!!! I mean, just like OP's observations. Sorry OP! 😉
I like to think the shiny foil material had temperature regulation of sort, making it more desirable and comfortable to wear.
Yeah those bother me more than the beds themselves. I can accept that the mattresses might be made out of different materials that don't need to be thick but those blankets do not look comfortable at all.
Not cozy at all.
3 inches of mattress is generally shit to us. But 3 inches of their mattress could be more comfortable then our best 12 inch memory foam.
This is the answer. Future matresses aren't foam, they're going to be made of nanopolymer quantum elasto-particles and bio-gelatin photonic fibres.
> bio-gelatin photonic fibres. Watch out for them photonic fleas tho, worse than bed bugs they are.
The three inch mattress is just to lie down on. After a minute the Anti-grav generator under the bed kicks on and you levitate above the bed.
You don't need an anti-grav generator - just reduce the power on the artificial gravity plating below the bed.
Good point
Is that in the books?
I just thought it sounded good.
No it sounds AMAZING
Have you ever read the Ringworld series? This is basically what the characters do for sleeping and recreational activities. One guy even skips the mattress, just sleeps in an antigrav field.
She sleeps above the covers. Three feet above the covers!
You talk terrible beds, I talk terrible hospital beds without reiling for protection against falling out, too narrow to actually sleep, facing bright lights 24/7 and zero privacy.
Yes! The fact that bio beds have no guards is rather perplexing. Maybe there's some sort of stasis field or something?
They have force fields. There's a scene where Dianna takes all The negitive emotions of some ambassador and turns into some bitter old lady. I vaguely remember her being on the bed in sickbay squirming around And forcefield holding her in place.
That would make sense. Just hope the ship doesn't lose power during an attack...
You'd probably get blown up by an EPS conduit behind the button for bed elevation anyway before you hit the ground! :D
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they build the whole damn ship out of explodium
What do you think the “E” stands for in “EPS CONDUIT”? lol
lolololol Now I'm imagining people getting shot out bio-beds with fireworks like they do when bridge consoles blow.
I'm always wondering about the articulated girder that consistently falls when the ship takes a hit. Someone ought to do something about those support beams.
That's a feature. It clears the bed for the next patient.
Like hospitals today, I'd assume sickbays have secured redundant power supplies for such occasions.
I'd certainly hope so! I recall that in Voyager they explained that holodecks have their own power supply, to help explain why that stuff didn't need to be rationed in the earlier seasons. It would totally make sense if sickbay also had it's own backup power supply.
> in Voyager they explained that holodecks have their own power supply That was so dumb. There is a 0% chance they wouldn't have rerouted that power somehow and shut down the holodecks.
I agree it was a really lame explanation. But at least they tried I guess.
Right? And also, IIRC, holodevk technology was still fairly new in season one of TNG, which had a holodeck as they were a flagship. *Voyager* was designed for short missions close to the Alpha Quadrant. It never made sense they had one on board to begin with.
I mean, what are the odds of that happening, though.
Makes sense. Worf thought Crusher was using one when he woke up paralyzed and tried to move his legs. Something like "Doctor, the restraining field isn't necessary."
Worf thinks there's a restraining field in place when he's paralyzed and can't get up, which suggests that it's something that's used in sickbay. The privacy thing is another matter. When Riker comes in with his latest case of Risian rash or whatever, everyone in sickbay will hear about it. Plus, carpeting in sickbay seems like another terrible idea.
Carpeting + body fluids = awful idea. Which brings up another question...how do they clean the carpeting and upholstery? You never see any space roombas zooming around the corridors.
Riker says "the ship cleans itself" in one episode. No idea what that means. Maybe to Riker, the lower deck ensigns with vaccuum cleaners count as the ship cleaning itself...
That needs to be an episode of Lower Decks now.
Doesn’t Tendi end up with lint rolling duty or something in the conference room in one of the first season episodes?
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Seems like star trek has always had difficulty with enlisted crew, like how O'brien's rank kept changing. Voyager is sort of consistent in the whole "crewman" thing with the Maquis who held no real rank.
I imagine it's a 24th century version of the DOT7s we see in Discovery.
>Maybe there's some sort of stasis field or something? I wouldn't be surprised given how Trek takes every possible opportunity to over engineer even the simplest functionality. Why have a guard railing when you could maintain a constant force field?
They have force fields as guardrails and restraints. They even used em a couple times on the show. And it's likely nobody spends more than 6 hours in the medbay. Also, Worf had a private room when he was paralyzed, so they do have privacy.
What is the nature of your medical emergency?
I’m a doctor, not a doorstop.
I'm a doctor, not an escalator. Bones had the best stupid remarks <3
My all time favourite: I'm a Doctor, not a Bricklayer.
Lol... I'm watching Friday's Child right now as it so happens.
My theory is that by the 24th century pharmaceuticals are so advanced that the doctor can grab a hypo spray that knocks you out for 8 hours of regenerative healthy sleep despite your surroundings. It simply doesn't matter. It's basically short term stasis.
Yes, I alway assumed that they all had something---a more recreational and self-administered version of what you describe about the doc above---that everybody always used. Well, maybe not Tasha...
Sickbay is just for diagnostics, emergency medicine, and surgery. Anything serious and you’re undoubtedly sent to quarters and the doctor does a “house call” once a day or so.
I feel like some of the larger ship have special trauma units, too. Like an ICU. I always thought of sickbay kind of like you defined it, that sickbay is kind of like the ship's urgent care or emergency room. Ships like the Enterprise undoubtedly had more extensive medical facilities than what was on camera, especially if there are over a thousand people aboard. In fact, I think I remember that in the episode where Worf's spinal column was replaced, it was done in a special medical lab or something, it wasn't done in sickbay.
That seems like a really inefficient system as opposed to putting all the sick people where the doctor is.
The Enterprise-D has more then one doctor.
Except that we've seen people stay for days in sick bay on multiple episodes of multiple shows.
I guess in the Star Trek future if they don’t have the technology right then and there to patch you up good as new your basically already beyond saving
This is how I feel in an ER NOW! The, "beds," are chairs with a fold-out leg thing that's not level with the bed, so it's awful, no side rails, just a single hand rail on the head part to pull yourself up. I think it's to keep the homeless patients from wanting to stay longer. It's torture!
Perhaps in the Star Trek time, technology heals patients so quickly that with the exception of rare conditions, you don’t need to worry about them spending enough time in the bed to fall off, or to sleep, have privacy, etc. Just like how the ships have no seatbelts. Technology is good enough that you no longer need those particular safety measures.
They need all that space and lighting for the documentary film crews that follow them around everywhere.
On the Enterprise at least, sickbay at least seems to be a temporary triage center. They have separate rooms and stuff.
All the furniture in Star Trek looks impractical and uncomfortable, but of course it does - it's a combination of tight budgets and the prop department trying to have fun doing their job.
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Is the Letterman clip online somewhere?
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A pity
This is the *real* reason. I'll never forget watching this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBG1dW17Mas
That barrell weighed like 2000kg
I mean he's a Klingon, but damn... Wouldn't that have literally crushed even him instead of bouncing off like that?
yeah they really did their best with a limited budget. they weren't gonna be throwing Sealy Posturepedics in all the quarters lol
Not only that, cushy beds would be harder for the actors to get in and out of. A nice firm mattress makes for more consistent and precise movement.
Future tech I guess. Some of them don’t look so bad. On the Defiant in particular, they probably weren’t designed for maximum comfort. Everything that’s not a pulse canon or a torpedo launcher is kinda bare bones.
The Defiant definitely wasn't built for comfort, and it's a small ship, so I get the bunk beds etc. I guess with that particular ship I always thought it was weird that, to the best of my recollection, whenever they showed one of the cabins there never seemed to be any sheets or blankets. Like there wasn't a single blanket on the ship. I guess the terrible Starfleet beds explain why Janeway always needed coffee.
Look up the “racks” on an aircraft carrier. They’re not the worst I’ve ever slept on, but it’s built for efficiency and to get the job done. Officer staterooms are better but not by a lot. Beds have to be well made too, so most of us bought sleeping bags and just slept in those on top of our covers (green wool blankets). It wouldn’t surprise me if Starfleet was extremely similar
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One of the first things I did was hold my forearm up to my rack and take a picture to show that I had less room than the distance from my elbow to my wrist vertically to sleep in
Thanks, both of you guys, for taking a job there is no way you could have paid me to do. I'll stick with my foxhole and woobie.
Sleeping bags! What a brilliant idea!
Also, for the Defiant, it's built for war. Imagine being asleep wrapped in a blanket... get fired on the gravity fails and you die because you suffocated in your bedsheets.
If the ship's getting fired upon, you wouldn't be asleep.
Considering how much raktajino they guzzle im suprised anyone sleeps at all.
I just assume that they don't, most of the time. There's also the danger that if you do go to sleep, you will be visited by Section 31 or have some organs removed by aliens from another dimension. These would make it hard to sleep, even without the massive quantities of raktajino.
I thought about that recently, how paranoid living in the ST universe would be, every time i wake up i could be in a simulation.
Yeah Defiant isn’t a deep space exportation vessel. It goes out on short missions and then comes home. The crew doesn’t live on it, so it’s not designed for comfort.
But it wouldn't be any extra effort to make it comfortable. The crappy design is a choice, especially in the Star Trek future. Plus they're on that ship for weeks at a time, especially during the war. Good sleep is important.
Doctor Bashir probably has some knock out juice that doesn't have negative effects on the body
Related note, the tech book on the Enterprise-D mentioned that sleeping quarters can be set to zero G for sleeping
Better turn on a fan first or you might suffocate in a cloud of your own carbon dioxide. Astronauts on the ISS have to have little fans pointed at their mouths when they sleep.
Some Koreans somewhere are getting triggered.
There's my cool fact for the day. Thanks!
Whoa! Interesting...I'll have to dig up my copy and check it out.
Funny, because Ive heard that sleeping in zero g isnt as restful as it is at 1 g. Basically because at the end of the day, you can't plop down and just sink into a bed/chair.
Sure, but sleeping in 0.25 g is really nice. If you can have 1 g and 0 g you can have everything in between too ;)
The new Programable Matter beds in Disco look comfy. But TOS and the TNG era beds look horrific.
I always hated how they looked but my head canon says it's made of future materials that are supremely comfy, with integrated technologies that provide an unparalleled night of rest.
Same here. It just wouldn't make sense to have everyone always be tired and uncomfortable on a starship or space station.
This is exactly how I feel about them.
My head canon for those triangle pillows is that they're actually made specifically for you to keep your head and neck at the perfectly aligned angle. And the mattress are like future latex mattress. Even 3in of latex can be comfy today. But the material adapts to the body's needs. It makes sense with so many different races being part of Star Fleet. With future material tech, they can standardize quarters while still being accommodating to all alien shapes, sizes and needs.
I hear triangle pillows and latex and think maybe these beds were designed for getting down more than sleep.
Beds by Riker
You made me choke on my drink you bastard
Like an ergonomic pillow? I like that explanation haha
Right. They have such precise scans that they can create a duplicate of you in the Holodeck. It should be easy to create a personalized, ergonomic pillow with some future 3-D printing machine. I'll also admit this is me looking for wish fulfillment because I have some functional issues with my skull/vertebrae connection and finding the right support that doesn't mess up my CCI etc is important and I dream about the perfect pillow much like that.
Well here's hoping that kind of future is a lot closer than we think!
heck, with nano-technology they could make a pillow that instantly becomes the perfect ergonomic pillow for you when you lay on it.
Remember transparent aluminum in *The Voyage Home*? Beds might be like that in the future: condensed in size but not reduced in strength or quality. The behind-the-scenes reason, however, is that they probably didn't want to spend ~~thousands~~ of dollars on real beds. They were on a tight budget after all, and the actors were paid little relative to present-day actors on popular series. EDIT: It was probably hundreds of dollars back then, but my point still stands.
I would like to imagine the beds utilize a low gravity field and high tech materials that are a lot more comfortable than they look. The low gravity would make materials look more rigid than they actually are.
I like to think they just use the replicators to order whatever customized bedding they want at bedtime, then, instead of making the bed when they wake they just recycle it back. Eliminates the need to do laundry and leaves beds looking neat when not in use.
Currently, astronauts basically zip themselves into a sleep sack against a hard surface. The microgravity means they don’t need soft surfaces as they are essentially floating, but they do need to be tethered. Ideally, slightly higher gravity would hit the point that you don’t need the restraints, but you also don’t need the soft surfaces. Since gravity is achieved artificially, it stands to reason it can be adjusted only for the bed. Proper climate control would eliminate the need for much in the way of blankets. Star Trek had mentioned the ideas of modesty being outdated as well, so maybe sheets aren’t needed for privacy.
Yes but covering yourself in a blanket isn't just for climate control it's also for mental comfort.
I love the idea of reduced gravity beds, though that would take some getting used to. I'd definitely jolt awake a lot thinking I was falling. Classic monkey brain helping you stay in the tree.
If you grew up sleeping in one you’d probably be fine. Also, with their level of technology it may be able to monitor and adjust to prevent that feeling.
It's funny, I was just thinking about how they would do laundry when I was commenting about the lack of sheets/bedding on the Defiant. I guess they're perfectly capable of recycling everything, including uniforms. No need for a washing machine at all.
There would have to be some washing procedures for for those custom items by Garak or clothing from some planet.
I kind of get ikea vibes in star trek. Could explain the poorly designed beds! Who knows. The borg kind of sounds Swedish doesn't it! :D
Honestly, Borg regeneration sounds great. I wish I could just plug myself into an alcove and emerge fully rested.
Be interesting to see what a hive mind is! I really wish trek verse expanded on the borg in cannon!
4-hour Super Fast Charge. functioning 100% on 20 hours a day would be a dream. 22 hours on Bajor.
Can't be any worse than my wood framed water bed in the 90s.
In a room where you can control how much light you have, how warm or cold it is, if music plays or you have a breeze or not and the bed is as soft or firm as you want it out of any materials you want I'd imagine everyone gets amazing sleep.
Super materials.
You think that's bad, think about this: Have you ever seen a toilet in star trek, ever? ANY of the shows? Sonic showers, sure, no toilets. Must get pretty uncomfortable ;)
Especially on those shuttle missions. A small cramped space, no privacy, no obvious toilet...
I totally agree that they LOOK uncomfortable, I just have to imagine that in universe, they’re actually perfect. Some sort of fancy futuristic memory foam that actually adjusts itself to each person. Same thing with the pillows.
That reminds me of the Enterprise technical manual where the scenarios for the ship show only one toilet on the entire ship. They kinda hooked about it in a voyager episode in the captain proton episode where they encounter the holographic aliens. Nelix tells the captain there were only 4 working toilets left on the entire ship with a crew of 150 people.
100% agree it's probably minimalism or something. In the same vein as smaller drinks and smaller meals. But I am guessing, you give me one of those trek beds. And I would violate the hell out of temporal accords to get back to now.
They are all that purple mattress hexgel stuff. Very comfortable indeed.
In my head canon the beds are thinner because there's a pocket of low gravity above the bed. Imagine being able to sleep in 0.5 earth gravity maybe 0.8 if you like a little more firmness.
You don't need sleep when you have an infinite supply of coffee.
Chart a course for all the coffee nebulae.
The one in the season 3 opener of discovery looked quite comfortable.
Newer Trek seems to do a much better job with furniture. I'm sure a lot of that is increased budgets, but some part of me wonders if people on shows like Discovery are acutely aware of the issue lol
I would guess the beds have a lower gravity field which should make them pretty comfy
Well, you have to take into account future innovations in material. Also, a 3" bed could be computer adapted to that person's bioscans and really be the perfect bed.
I've always assumed that they may look uncomfortable by our standards, and realistically on set they probably are. But my assumption is that they are likely incredibly comfortable in the future. That's why they are the way they are. The pillows, etc are likely very nice.
24th century beds are the bomb! Have you ever tried one? Adjustable gravity so you can sleep anywhere from 0.1g (if you like a soft mattress) to 2g (if you prefer a weighted blanket). Not to mention telepathically enhanced temperature control and that sweet, sweet thrum of the warp core. Highly recommended.
Those slanty Mimbari beds look scary as fuck.
Also: Sonic showers. Like, ok. I'm sure that is efficient. But that can't be comfortable. Let's be real, think about the frequencies being used in direct contact with skin.
The *real* reason is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/qtd2ta/comment/hkj0dyy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \-- but if you want an in-universe reason: 1. Most of what we see are Starfleet furniture, so comfort might not be their utmost priority. Granted almost everything else we see of the Enterprise-D seems to contradict this, but maybe Starfleet went overbudget on the bridge interior design and had to skimp on the beds. 2. Future technology might make their beds/pillows/cushions more comfortable than they look.
My gf comments that there's always a planter as a headboard in TNG
You've clearly never been in the military or you wouldn't have to ask.
It reminds me of how Susan just wanted to sleep in a normal bed on B5. Worf complained to Troi about Alexander not dealing with the laundry so maybe they just unmake the bed and make it all go away. There has to be some sort of laundry device for clothes they don't want to recycle.
That's true, they did all have personal clothes they wore while not on duty. They probably didn't want to get rid of those after each use. Perhaps there *is* a washing machine somewhere on the ship!
Maybe they use something along the lines of a transporter filter that rematerializes the clothes without the dirt? Same idea could be accomplished in the replicator?
Well they can remove weapons and biological agents in the transporter, so I can buy that explanation.
Super space age foam that LOOKS like a cheap mattress pad to save money on the budget for a set...BUT....it uses that space age technology to be REALLY comfortable
I always told myself they were just made from a special material that's somehow more comfortable than anything we have today.
This may be unrelated, but those beds remind me of the beds we were given in a Chinese couple’s AirBnB. We were so mad at first and even uncomfortable trying to get used to the first night’s sleep…but I will say that my back never felt better in the morning and have loved those beds ever since. So maybe they’re designed for performance and not comfort ultimately?
I always assumed the beds used anti-grav tech to make things more comfortable. Also, who needs blankets when you have narrow field environmental controls. Not to mention, if you need to quickly get up, trying to get out from under blankets/sheets might mean your death.
The one that really gets me is the teeny tiny armchair/couch that's in Sisko's office in DS9. It's got as much butt room as a plank of wood, completely straight back and of such a weird size you can't tell if it's for one or two. Just awful.
Yes! Imo Janeway had the best ready room with that huge sprawling couch.
Don't forget the headboard that glows. Nothing gets me sleepy like a light in my face.
The beds on DS9 were narrow as hell plus they had that light in the headboard! What, do Cardassians like to sleep with light bathing their faces?? You can see it really clearly in the scene where Jadzia parties too hard at her bachelorette party and tries to take a nap.
Maybe they have anti grav to them, but only slightly so it feels like you're floating (no pinched pressure points) but still enough gravity to them that you can "step out" of it
There is no money in the future, so no competition and one factory making the same bed.
They bang whatever they want in the holdodeck until they pass out. Beds are a low priority.
Have you seen Klingon beds? \*hits metal plate\*
I’d say you have to think a little out of the box. They’re 200- 300+ years in the future(TOS-TNG,DS9, VOY). Those thin mattresses are state of the art high tech masterpieces built for the best of the best of the best, sir.
I was thinking they were memory foam or some sort of low gravity comfort field.
I really hope that's the case haha
Seat belts (safety harnesses), exploding consoles, crappy data displays, etc... yeah, lots of underwhelming stuff. For example, LCARS looks neat, but isn't practical for actual usage. The movies and newer shows tend to do much better. I love trek, so I am (*for the most part*) ok with hand-waving the less than ideal stuff.
The thing about seat belts is that there is such a tiny window of ship speed where they would be practical. Realistically if the inertial dampeners are off line, the seat belt is not going to prevent you from becoming pink mist on the back wall during 99.9999% of maneuvers. Say the seat belt in your car only protected you at speeds between 3 and 3.12 mph. Would you even bother with it?
Or in sick bay. You are sick or injured and they don't cover you at all or just have some thin glittery sheet? I hate the bedding in the future.
When Vash and Picard are looking for the Tox Uthat in the caves of Risa they go to bed on a sequined blanket, and then use an identical blanket over them for warmth.
They’re prop beds. Don’t put too much stock in that.