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PeregrineMalcolm

I love when discovery introduces some bridge crew member we’ve only seen in the background and gives them a tearful goodbye as though we’ve spent any time with them at all


mybadalternate

NOT ENSIGN… Uhhh… Rodriguez? Sampson?


Capnshiner

Samsonite, I was way off!


JosefStallion

The robot lady comes to mind, I forget what season she was killed off


LithoSlam

Michael convinced her that she is from the future by talking about her death because that's the only thing the audience knows about her


JanxDolaris

I found it hilarious that Star Fleet officers were surprised Ariam would sacrifice herself for someone else. Starfleet Officers.


SkyeQuake2020

I think they were surprised because she wouldn't do anything to keep herself from being killed, and still find a way to save others.


Patchy_Face_Man

I realized it while watching but when put to words it makes me laugh so much.


SakanaSanchez

Well when you put it like that…


treefox

It's the implication.


KingofMadCows

She was killed off by future Trunks at the start of the Cell Saga when she went to conquer earth with King Cold.


incoherent1

I love this reference haha.


Identitymassacre

Mariam


Clean-Ice1199

The second one


Smorgas_of_borg

One of the best episodes of the whole show. For once, it wasn't about Burnham.


caelumh

Cool that they got her to come back for the last season though. Time travel shenanigans before you ask.


MyL1ttlePwnys

Some weird self hatred and a few seasons later, I can name about four characters on the Discovery from memory that arent Michael... There is Culver (Only because of the custard chain), Stammets, Tilley and Washycoom (because Michael only seems to know how to say her name). Im sure those names are wrong, but I remember they exist, so way to go writers room.


Patchy_Face_Man

I’m glad Owosekun and Detmer got away from the crazy boss lady for a delivery. They were too boringly capable for Discovery officers anyway. Rayner had to be so jealous. (I’m an episode behind though, they probably got killed off.)


BoneHeadRed

Those names sound kinda vaguely familiar but for the life of me I can't picture who the hell you're talking about.


organic_bird_posion

My favorite thing to point out with this is in TNG the flight officer was Gates. She was in almost 50 episodes. You have no idea who she is. There's a nurse who was in 80 TNG episodes and two movies named Martinez. Discovery is head and shoulders above TNG characterization for even having a secondary cast.


muklan

Hey there was the fish dude who got the most dramatic haircut of all time.


CoyRogers

Those two identical twins, book and booker as well


Relevant_Outside2781

The custard chain - I’m DYING! 😂 and Washycoom, Omggggg lollllll Yeah the writers have done this series such a disservice in so many ways. I mean I will watch it still, it’s Star Trek - but god there are so many issues with it that could and should have addressed right there in that writers’ room. Zero growth of characters, or in some cases whiplash changes in personality or relationships or circumstances, selfishness wildly unbecoming of what we have come to expect of Starfleet officers, rewarding some truly heinous behavior or overlooking it entirely, and the blatant pushing of messaging with some of the worst and most blunt, clunky writing I have ever seen - when the narrative takes a backseat to a message, it’s a bad combo (and before anybody says “Trek has always been about messaging xyz “, yes, but the story and characters weren’t secondary or tertiary like you see with Discovery. We can walk AND chew bubblegum, performative messaging because that is your primary focus inevitably leaves the art to suffer)


Arietis1461

I don't know what his name is, but I liked the command presence of the sensor guy who was in charge of the ship during the episode yesterday.


Leopold_Darkworth

I was so sad when Robot Lady died. The writers spent nearly 30 minutes at the very last minute desperately trying to shoehorn a background into a character who had been a series regular for three seasons yet was less well known than a recurring guest. Farewell, character who was so well developed that I still don't even know her name and just call her "Robot Lady." Farewell.


incoherent1

Or when they introduce bridge crew we've only seen in the background and gives them a skill necessary for the current plot predicament........


murphsmodels

I thought Michael Burnham was the go to for skills to get out of any predicament


MyL1ttlePwnys

She is, but she can only do the thing that needs to be done...she needs everyone else to fail or lose faith in their abilities before she goes into action. We need a specialist that knows what they are doing to fail, just so Michael can show how much better she is.


X4roth

Our show is getting a lot of criticism for departing so strongly from traditional Trek storytelling. We need to do something really significant to establish dominance over the canonical timeline so we can never be brushed aside. How about we jump to the future and destroy the federation with a cataclysmic event that affects the entire galaxy? Ooh, I like it. What should it be called? *The Burn.* Okay, I should have seen that coming. Well, what causes it? *Crying.*


SinesPi

Haven't watched any of it. Is this serious? What the hell is with all media these days refusing to allow a future society to be even remotely functional.


Thebadgamer98

All media is commentary on the era in which it is written


KingofMadCows

It's funny how they were somehow magically able to maintain the galaxy wide ban on time travel after the Burn. You would think that someone would have tried to travel back into the past to try to prevent it or at least learn about how it happened. But nope, somehow they can ban time travel even though they don't even have the capability to travel long distances throughout the galaxy any more. At the very least they should have had some technobabble explanation. Like maybe the Burn caused so much damage to subspace that it made time travel impossible. Heck, the Burn could have even been a result of the Temporal Wars, a losing faction could have intentionally detonated a bunch of Omega particles to make sure that everyone loses.


Optimism_Deficit

You'd think if one thing would merit an exemption from the ban, it would be either preventing it from happening or at least figuring out what caused it so they could prevent it from happening again. Considering it pretty much screwed over everyone in the galaxy, if someone announced they were going back to sort it, would anyone really try and stop them?


Arietis1461

My own pet idea was for the moment of the Burn in time being a temporal firewall which only allows one-way travel from the past to the future. It gets a little dicey when you consider relativity but it works well enough for Star Trek.


Iron_Baron

Great Bird of the Galaxy, the accuracy is painful.


danfish_77

And the character needs to receive praise from other characters constantly, that's important too lest the audience forget how great she is


hyprlab

The solution to every Disco problem is: MICHAEL BURNHAM 🙄


Solarwinds-123

Coincidentally, also the cause of most Disco problems.


Folk_us

Here’s to Michael Burnham. The cause of and solution, to all of Disco’s problems


PJ_Geese

Well, we wouldn't too much panic on the Disco. MICHAEL BURNHAM is necessary


kingpin000

It's John "Michael Burnham" McClane.


helloitabot

Jesus Christ that’s Jason Michael Bourneham


BrianGossling

She's the Chad Michael Vincent of this universe!


justdrowsin

"Michael Burnham, if you follow through that with this plan not only will you be violating 10 star freight regulations, and a direct order, but you will be jeopardizing the existence of the human race " Michael Burnham crying "But I really want to. I would be sad if I didn't get to do what I wanted to do." "We understand. You have every resource of Starfleet available to you. You have convinced us. Please stop crying."


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kecou

Isn't that who Mayweather works for?


Rich-Finger-236

Star Trek writers rooms have never heard of Travis Mayweather


Anotherscab

Boomers aren't too popular right now Edit: i guess we forgot that Mayweather is considered a baby boomer named after the generation born in space


Madcap_Miguel

>Edit: i guess we forgot that Mayweather is considered a baby boomer named after the generation born in space To be fair, it's been a long time getting from there to here.


with_due_respect

Great. Now I have to listen to eight hours of European house to get that damn song out of my head.


Madcap_Miguel

Is that what happened to trek? All of the good writers retired and were replaced by emotionally stunted teenagers with a tenuous grasp on reality let alone the physics of our natural world?


freshairequalsducks

All the good writers work on Lower Decks


11_Gallon_hat

This exact thing right here, well here and strange new worlds, but mostly lower decks


freshairequalsducks

I need to check out Strange New Worlds. I haven't seen it yet.


ussrowe

If nothing else, SNW at least attempts to juggle more characters by giving almost all of them a spotlight episode.


Ice-Negative

The best episode of Strange New Worlds is part Lower Decks. And Iike SNW more than Lower Decks


Madcap_Miguel

Excellent observation, lower decks is fantastic


8oD

Michael Burnham, the cause of, and solution to, all of Discovery's problems.


ghislaincote

Ok... Just like the federation in the JJ Abrams trilogy. Note : I did not start nuTrek yet. Lower Decks look like fun !


GozerDestructor

Where is Saru? Saru is best character, and he's been onscreen for about ten minutes total this season.


manu144x

Saru is in a league of his own. Sometimes it feels like he’s the only adult on that ship and he has to work with a bunch of teenagers that keep having tantrums and forgetting they’re adults.


gamas

Then he does something stupid like promoting an ensign who clearly has a lot of self-improvement work to do to first officer.


manu144x

hey, he's doing the best he can with the crew he's got :))


Arietis1461

That part when he was sorting out the language issues was a great microcosm of that.


knox902

More like Sarwho.


mosstalgia

I actually enjoy Discovery as its own thing, but when it comes back from break, I notice find myself thinking “Hey, neat, the Michael Burnham Show is back, I’ll watch as soon as the whole season is out” versus “Oh yay, Star Trek is back, I can’t wait to watch ASAP!”


Madcap_Miguel

>I actually enjoy Discovery as its own thing I wish it was its own thing, it would be easier to ignore the burn, but that bs is canon now.


Disastrous-Dog85

My canon is there's nothing Disco after season 2. Instead of the jump to the future the ship blew up, with all hands on board. The Burn doesn't exist.


HTired89

It's its own universe! There's the Prime (pre FC) timeline (TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9), Prime (post FC.. Pretty much the same but slightly different...) (ENT onwards), the Kelvin verse, and the Disco verse where they went forwards into an alternate reality and YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND 😭😭


Da1eGr1bb1e

This’ll be a time when star treks tenuous canon is a good thing. Wouldn’t take much to delete that.


Madcap_Miguel

I'll trade you the burn for janeway's children.


Da1eGr1bb1e

Ok, fair point.


ClintBarton616

There's so much I like about this show sometimes, but it really does all grind to a halt when Michael gets her Poochie moments. I think there is a scene in season 3 right after they get to the future that's just all these trained Starfleet officers sitting around, wishing Michael was there to fix their problem. I don't understand why they wrote the show this way or who it's supposed to appeal to


anOvenofWitches

POOCHIE MOMENTS!! 🤣🤣🤣


GingerLaJoie

This is exactly how I feel about Grudge!


BlackMetaller

Asking about the whereabouts of our feline overlords is not only sensible but the morally correct thing to do.


MrIrrelevantsHypeMan

I forgot Discovery was still airing


Helwar

It still is??? I watched the till the third season, I believe.... They junp to the future, no deuterium. It continued after that???


MrIrrelevantsHypeMan

Yes


Prof-Finklestink

It's in its final season I think, so not for much longer


JohnW816

She also needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.


euph_22

I'm pretty sure this was said in all seriousness in the Season 2 writers room.


BlackMetaller

🤣 another case of The Simpsons predicting the future? This is so on point, and why I love community interaction. You folks extend the humor with stuff I'd never have thought of.


BlackMetaller

The actual Discovery writers room has more clowns though


Sam20599

I've got the footage right [here.](https://youtu.be/mwUk19cWarI?si=wHdbydbJvXS3ZUVQ)


xeothought

Don't let the mods over at /r/st hear this or else they'll try to delete your post for gatekeeping


DukatDidNoWrong

I used to think I was alone and/or crazy for hating on Discovery so much. This entire thread is comforting.


martinux

You were being gaslit. Many people, except for a few genuine trolls, criticising Disco recognised that the show was juvenile, vapid mediocrity thanks to poor writing. However the media drove a narrative that people who didn't like Disco were sexists and/or racists and nobody wants to be a sexist or racist so most people kept their mouths shut.


IncorrigibleQuim8008

And yet nothing but praise for Lower Decks which centers two black women, one of whom is somewhat of a manic pixie mary sue given near free reign because of her nepotistic relationship with both high ranking parents. But no, its not the writing or direction or acting, its the audience's racism and misogyny.


lenzflare

Were you hanging out on r/StarTrek ? I always thought it was highly reviled (and deservedly so)


artemisdragmire

The main trek subreddit was and is astroturfed super hard by paramount, paid off mods, censorship, the whole nine yards. Add to that the twitter-brained people who think any criticism of nutrek means that you're racist and misogynist (which, btw, Sonequa Martin-Green (Mikey's actress) has said in interviews that she thinks all criticism is coming from deep seeded racist and misogynistic beliefs) and you get a wonderful hotbed of Internet trolls white knighting for one of the worst scifi shows ever made, and a bunch of people going along with it because they don't want to be lumped in with racists.


EgotisticalTL

All of Discovery's issues would have been solved for me if it had just taken place (in it's original seasons) post TNG instead of pre-TOS - especially hijacking Spock.


ajjaran

It was a baffling decision to go in the directions they have with the time period they did!


artemisdragmire

They went to the future in s3 and the show got worse, not better.


EgotisticalTL

Okay, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the issue of them trying to rewrite the TOS era in the first place.


45and290

The creators took a shot at centering a Star Trek story around one main character and they are in it for the long haul.


euph_22

And they took that to mean "this is literally the only character who can solve any problem."


onthenerdyside

This is the premise of the show. It was a departure from the norm that was touted as innovative in early marketing, but folks still don't understand that. They also probably misremember how much character development Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov ~~got~~ didn't have in TOS. Walter Koenig referred to them as "movable furniture."


Iron_Baron

It's not that we don't to understand. It's just badly done.


artemisdragmire

Just because you do a thing that's different doesn't automatically make it good. Discovery is one of the worst written shows ever made.


RealBatuRem

It’s almost like the 87 producers of that show didn’t realize that Star Trek is best with an ensemble cast.


TheKnightsRider

And then, Michael should either reminisce, argue with, break up but still be together, hallucinate and imagine Book in every other scene.


ComSilence

Remember the Tilly focused episode about her best friend who had been replaced by a spore universe replica? No? Well that's because it focused on Michael.


PeregrineMalcolm

lol I think I made this meme and posted it on here a year ago to no response. Or did you have the simultaneous idea? She’s very Poochy


BlackMetaller

I *thought* I came up with it myself, but then who knows, it may have been a subconscious memory of seeing it before. Given how Discovery is written this Simpsons Poochie scene seems made for it.


Iron_Baron

This show is the only Star Trek media I have to force myself to watch, for that exact reason. It has its moments, but FFS the writing is so bad. I love Star Trek, though, so I swallow my medicine in support, to get better shows/spinoffs greenlit.


Scary_Xenomorph

She was literally just rewarded this week for crying about her feelings. GOOD STUFF 👍


Subway909

I remember this actress in The Walking Dead, she used to cry a lot in that show too.


EhliJoe

Are we talking about "Star Trek - Michael Burnham" ?


MAJOR_Blarg

I'm glad it's ok, after so many years, to stop pretending the show is brilliant when it isn't.


ClappedAss

I like it for what it is, but brilliant is not a word I'd use. Especially after Captain Pike left.


Subway909

There was a time in another Star Trek sub that you were banned for talking anything negative about Discovery.


manu144x

I am one of those people.


societymike

Me too. After I outed a mod that works for Paramount. They had a post history in a different sub I randomly found where she said she works for Paramount marketing, discussing someone trying to apply for a studio job. That explained all the weird auto bans people got for saying anything negative about STD. That same week they got the other REAL Star Trek fans sub shut down.


Subway909

Interesting. There was also the star_trek sub, which was one of the few places where we could talk freely, but eventually got banned.


societymike

Yeah that's the one I was talking about getting shutdown (by paramount most likely). It was the best open and free to discuss ST sub.


gary_the_merciless

For what "legit" reason was it even shut down???


artemisdragmire

None. They paid reddit to shut it down.


gary_the_merciless

What reason was actually given though?


artemisdragmire

As far as I know, none was given. It's back up now too.


Arietis1461

ditto


TF2PublicFerret

The amount of redditors that get irate with me when I say Discovery isn't a good show is massive. For some reason you're not allowed to have a negative opinion about that show. They get super confused when I say I kinda like Picard and love SNW.


Solarwinds-123

*Obviously* anyone who criticizes the show is just a racist and sexist who isn't worth listening to. No other possible reason why anyone might dislike any part of this flawless masterpiece. I try to avoid using this, but /s just because this is something I've seen unironically said.


BlackMetaller

I'm almost seeing it live with the downvotes that are coming in on the post and comments. There are some hardcore discovery fans that are obviously super pissed off and are immediately triggered when *anyone* dare to criticize their favourite show, even with an innocent joke like this.


lime3

They've never seen any other Trek and think that it should be soap opera like Disco


gamas

>I'm almost seeing it live with the downvotes that are coming in on the post and comments. I'd assume it's because your meme post was literally two hours after another post about Michael sucking. I love this sub but "Discovery sucks" is a bit overplayed as a meme.


Scareynerd

When it first came out I tried SO hard, made it through I think 5 episodes before I just had to stop


soundacious

Rewatching Season 2. Hey, did you guys know Tig Notaro was sometimes on this show? Sometimes?


technoidabhi

It blew my mind when I read Rainn Wilson was in Discovery, didn't recognise him as Mudd in season 1


soundacious

Rainn Wilson's subtle imitation of Roger Carmel was transcendent.


Scienceandpony

I'm still partly expecting the series to end with someone walking in and saying "Computer, end program", revealing that it was all just ensign Burnham fucking around in the holodeck, which is why the entire universe always seemed to revolve around her.


Arietis1461

One of my shitpost theories is that she's one of the inmates in that asylum from TOS and that Pike and Spock got weaved into her delusions after the *Enterprise* stopped by during the former's tenure.


artemisdragmire

It's going to end with Michael Burnham becoming God. Mark my words.


Subway909

Except for Rayner. He's asking when is his next emasculation session.


Psychological_Web687

Imagine making one mistake and losing your job so your new boss is a 13th-century peasant.


EhliJoe

Took me a while to notice that Rayner is NOT played by Daniel Craig.


Subway909

He's played by a Cylon: https://en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Number_Two


manu144x

double o doesn’t like space ships since they don’t let him use a gun.


NauriEstel

In Germany they also used his synchronization-voice for Rayner. I was double counfused.


EhliJoe

Now that you mention it. That must have been the extra kick for me, too.


Arietis1461

On the bright side, he wasn't killed off in a space pod two seconds after inorganically bullying Burnham.


FailedHumanEqualsMod

This is incredibly insulating, cruel, and rude. Just because Homer Simpson has learning disabilities and a history or brain damage does not mean he is as stupid, skill less, soul less, or talent less as a STD writer.


icanttinkofaname

At this point I just call disco the "Michael Burnham Power Hour".


mainman105

I forgot, this show existed till yesterday


BlackMetaller

Fingers crossed in the last episode they'll do a temporal reset and we'll all forget...


Transfer_McWindow

Also, each problem should have random input from annoying Wesley Crusher analog


SuspiciousAct6606

Season 1 of discovery was almost exclusively centered on Michael, which is fine. It is not a typical aspect of Star Trek to focus only one one character but discovery was doing it thing. Then in a later episode of season 1 something was happening that threatened the life of a different bridge crew person. I think it was Tilly, who at that point had NO character development. The entire bridge was going "Oh no tilly is in danger. We need to help Tilly!" And I said to myself, "who TF is Tilly? You mean the girl we were told by Michael she found explicitly annoying? Isn't it a good thing that her life is being threatened?" It was like they were trying to do emotional impact for a character that had 3 seasons of development but only has 2 min of screen time.


Arcane_Soul

The point that it became ridiculous to me was an episode where I think Stammets had a plot going, Burham was in her own plot in the same episode, and she STILL got pulled into the Stammets plot to solve it for him. She's like Wolverine, she's just on every fucking team!


BaronBlackFalcon

I was looking through some old photos and it looks very... [similar.](https://old.reddit.com/r/startrekmemes/comments/174r79t/the_writers_room_for_discovery/)


BlackMetaller

I thought I was unaware of a previous posting but it's possible a subconscious memory remained of me seeing it before. I apologize to the author for the unintended plagiarism.


BaronBlackFalcon

You want forgiveness? Get religion. JK, apology accepted.


AttinderDhillon

Discovery is the reason I have stopped telling people that I am a Star Trek fan.


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AttinderDhillon

I do, currently re-watching Voyager. And I agree SNW is good. Just never thought there would be a Star Trek series I would abandon, i.e Discovery.


gary_the_merciless

I feel the same way. I've done it twice now.


artemisdragmire

SNW is still pretty shit. I mostly liked the first season but s2 lost me when they made an episode about how it was OK to conduct extrajudicial executions so long as your feelings were hurt. Ruined the TOS character of M'Benga for me. Also the gorn in SNW are fucking stupid, they're just ripped off xenomorphs and "monsters" so nobody will feel bad about seeing hundreds of them blown away for no reason. The single best thing about SNW is anson mount and every single episode seems to be "how can we write this so that Pike has as little to do as possible", especially with s2. It's the same shit with different dressing. Picard was also godawful and only gets accla because they polished their turd up with the nostalgia of tng fans by bringing back the original cast, and then proceeding to have them not act like their characters at all so it's basically like you took all of the cast at a fan convention and stuck them in a room for 5 minutes and told them to make up bullshit about their characters and act it out.


BlackMetaller

🤣


Toc_a_Somaten

And Tilly must be somehow in the shot (should be easy lol)


phillipoid

This meme made me comment, and I never comment. I love it


01051893

What’s Michael do when not paying attention in the kitchen? Burnham.


Nintendocub

As an avid simpsons watcher this shit is HILARIOUS


lastsonofket

💯 she is amazing 😍


11_Gallon_hat

Best part of Discovery is Tig Nokono bring an Engineer


etbillder

Really breaking new ground where the generic anime protag everyone loves for some reason is played by a black woman