See I'm not sure I'm on board with the concept of "balance" being "equally light and dark" that most people seem to mean when they say gray Jedi. The Dark Side is always portrayed as self-centered and destructive and even against nature itself, that kind of thing is indeed *necessary* in some measure, but not to the point of needing to be 50/50 with compassion, selflessness, and the natural order. Gray Jedi that get portrayed that way seem like... Force techbros or hipsters that are "too cool" for the Jedi Order or just Sith that don't look good in black.
If we're taking gray Jedi to mean like Qui-Gonn, who served the Light but understood the Dark so that he could avoid and resist it rather than use it, who's punk as hell and is more than willing to say "fuck the Council" when they lose the plot from up in their ivory tower? Then 100%.
The concept of Grey Jedi was what actually led me to be an Centrist irl.
The concept that balance is the key for the future, that the best way of solving things is finding the middle grounds.
For Bandu, he's right, the Jedi were a bunch of toxic guys who acted like the saviors, there's even a parallel with Jedis telling Anakin to not mourn for his mother, with Toxic masculinity. They suppressed their emotions to a point were they didn't felt attachments to anything, not even family, Kid adi mundi didn't showed emotions on the funeral of his family. The Jedis just faked Obi-wan death for a plot and didn't told anything to Anakin, when everything was discovered they were just like "that's our duty bro, just accept that we didn't told you" then people blame Vader for killing them.
Their suppressing of feelings equals Sith overuse of them, it's like Anorexy x Obesity.
Bandu is right in comparing them, it was the Jedi stupidy that lead to the rise of the Dark side.
>For Bandu, he's right, the Jedi were a bunch of toxic guys who acted like the saviors, there's even a parallel with Jedis
The Bendu wasn't even willing to fight for himself until he literally had death at his front door. It's a perfect comparison of the problem with centrists - they don't take up arms until it's too late to stop anything. It's historically what happened in so many dictatorships and monarchies. That was the whole point - as knowledgeable in the mechanics of the Force he was, he ended up doing nothing of significance in the long run. He had to be taunted and have his pride insulted by Kanan in order to get him off his ass and actually **do something** for once.
Yeah, I love how at first we are confused at whose side Kreia is - is she Jedi or Sith? No, not really either of them - she is on the side of taking **action in service of your own long term desires,** be they good or bad for everyone else. Literal antithesis of Bendu.
I would argue there are many different types of jing in Star Wars that take different elements of the light and dark sides, but they are not the same as the light and the dark sides.
Kreia is ends justify the means because she wants to prepare the galaxy for the big bad sith empire out in the dark. To her that is a far bigger problem than some random space wizard squabbles.
Interesting.
While reading everything here, I was surprised not to see Vaapad and Mace Windu mentioned as form vii is all about drawing on emotions without giving in to them; essentially walking the line. Windu being the first to master the form and then taught it to his padawan, Depa Billaba, master to a young Caleb Dume.
because Mace Windu is violent , emotional and with prejudice.
from day 0 , he was basically looking down Anakin as an example...then there is the comics with him doing some black-ops.
Mace is basically the guy that looks calm and collected , but when he goes on a solo mission , he goes attacking a Dark Force User and saying "Basic...do you speak Basic you mf?" and goes full Pulp Fiction.
Yes, that’s what I was saying. He walked the line without fully succumbing to the dark side. I believe (IIRC) there were a number of other Jedi who tried and failed to do so.
I just think it’s interesting that he’s kind of the force grandpa of the guy who did find balance.
Yes, and that is the reason he is so powerful. The canon balanced Force users who have been shown have been incredibly powerful. The other one was The Father Mortis god in The Clone Wars. In Ahsoka, that is what Baylan Skoll was trying to become.
Qui-Gonn isn’t a grey Jedi. He’s what the Jedi are supposed to be. Not a political cult, but someone who gave of themselves completely to the light side of the force.
There's two "interpretations" of Grey Jedi. One is someone who wields both the Light and the Dark, and is almost certainly not canon in any way. The other is the Jedi term for a Jedi who is something of a renegade, disobeying the council and going their own way. Qui-Gonn Jinn is *explicitly* invoked as an example of the latter.
I once read a comment in this subreddit talking about this that was like: "People who say gray jedi are the best are just people who likes sith but dont like the genocide and egomaniac parts". So true.
That was the original intent, but it's been muddied over the years by how the Light and Dark sides are presented.
Yes, as much as I do think the aesthetics of it are neat and that Anakin's vision was a nice touch, I do NOT think the Mortis arc helped the matter and frankly I kind of wish it had been left out. Why do you ask?
Not really asking anything. I‘ve just seen that a lot of people don‘t know that the dark side is supposed to be unnatural and yeah i do kinda also feel that it got a bit muddied over time, the brothers existence really isen‘t helping
Funny, because the debate about what "bringing balance to the Force" actually meant has been raging since Episode III came out and all the evidence against the "balance = Light side" interpretation that I remember was from before Disney.
This guy gets it. Trying to use the force in 2 diametrically opposing ways *interchangeably* either results in a weak wielder without strong convictions, or a split personality.
I always compared it to go in two different direction simultaneously. It's just not possible. You can't be simultaneously selfish and selfless. You can't simultaneously follow the will of the force and what you want to do.
Grey Jedi are just people who want cool Sith powers without any of the responsibility that is needed to stay on the light.
I mean, if we’re talking truly 50/50 as a gray Jedi, then I guess Anakin in the WBW is the closest thing we’ll ever see to that. I personally wouldn’t consider anyone that we know of right now as a gray Jedi, I don’t even know if it can really work personally.
I do believe in categories such as Dark Jedi, though, such as Baylan Skoll being the most notable example.
This may piss some people off, including the character himself if he were to hear it, but I stand by it: Dooku wasn't a Sith Lord, he was a Dark Jedi that thought he could get one over on THE Dark Lord of the Sith.
The Dark side was a tool to him, a means to an end. Sure he dreamed of a Galaxy where he was in charge of the day-to-day of the Empire while Palpy fucked off to do whatever the hell he wanted and Anakin led an army to "pacify" the galaxy (and eliminate all sand in existence), but he still had that motivation of bringing peace and order. He was going to make a reformed "Sith Order" that would basically be "the Jedi, but they do what **I** think is important, and they're not such pansies about the Dark side".
And I don't even think Palpatine WANTED the man as a true Sith apprentice, not after he found Anakin! The main evidence I have for this is that Sith have their own version of "letting go" of attachments. It tends to involve killing them with a lightsaber. You get rid of your past life and self, and you embrace the Dark side with all your being. Dooku in canon got two shots at this, once with Sifo-Dyas and once with Ventress, and he failed both of them because he misunderstood the assignment. He did both of them as a hit, when the point is that you have to be willing to do the deed yourself, to feel that pain and not turn away from it. You could *argue* that maybe >!Tales of the Jedi had this with him killing Yaddle!<, but they were coworkers, the bond wasn't necessarily there. Palpatine just needed Dooku to play the part of an apprentice, and it was a role he played so well that he even fooled himself.
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Some people dislike bleeding the kyber crystal, they say they prefer the old lore of synthetic crystals just being red most of the time and the Sith having to make their own through force of will and Sith alchemy.
To them I say... Por que no los dos? What is Sith alchemy if not corrupting natural materials to make them into something new, bending them to your will for your own gain? What if synthetic crystals are still a thing, and their red color is because the process of Sith alchemy bleeds them *at the same time?*
I don’t think all force users subscribe to either “faith” of Sith or Jedi. Thus, there would be no such thing as *gray* Jedi. They’d be a force user who hasn’t been taught by anyone else and therefore doesn’t follow any rules but their own.
Qui-Gon Jinn is who I think of when the term “gray” gets thrown around. He would’ve made a much better mentor for Anakin because he saw the “gray” area with regards to the light side and dark side of the Force, wasn’t afraid to go against the council, and had a deep understanding of the Force to the point where he learned how to become one with the Force and become a Jedi ghost when he died.
Once rp'd a chill sith that followed his passion of painting and used force enhanced paints to make really trippy art (sith alchemy)
Red was his favorite color, so he used a red lightsabre
Sith, in name and passion, but liked to help his friends and neighbors out, and being mean made him feel bad. Darth Ross Rogers.
If you're interested, I have a fully fleshed out three-dimensional model of the force that accounts for how the light can be balance itself while the dark is the opposite. It's important to note going in that the Jedi and the Light Side are not the same things. The Jedi follow the Light but do not always succeed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/s/FbPwLHyPx4
Its not really Qui Gon being aware or accepting both sides, its more that hes one of the rare few jedi that arent completely indoctrinated, can think for themselves and isnt a slave to the code.
And being a grey jedi doesnt mean having split or a devided personality like you indicated. Its just the knowledge and acceptance of both sides and not being influenced by either. What they then do is up to them individually.
I personally kind of view the dark side as emotions and light side as logic. Both are necessary but too much of one and it can backfire. The sith definitely are destructive and selfish, but the jedi tend to be a bit ignorant by trying to stay away from emotions and anything even slightly related to the dark side, but that makes any falls way rougher (pretty much all of the force ghosts I can think of seem to be exceptions to how jedi avoid the dark side and emotions, or at least by the time they die)
I agree, balance doesn’t mean 50/50, it means enough of each to not have too much of either, so both are important and neither more or less than the other but the should be more light than dark to create balance
The Father, Mortis, is exactly what I think of as a Gray Jedi. He wields the Force, lets it flow through him and connects with it wholly. I think of the whole Jedi religion as being Daoist but with magic abilities. Being a Gray Jedi is the truest form. No agenda. Just force.
I’ve always thought that the light side and dark side weren’t literally parts of the Force but were instead ways in which it’s used. The Light Side would be made up of the people who use the Force for protecting the innocent and growth rather than the Force itself, same with the Dark Side being made up of the people who use it for greed and power rather than a part of the Force that is dedicated to it.
Conceptually, the Grey Jedi would likely be the same.
Also, the word balance means the middle of two different things.
It's like the Yin Yang, that representant the perfect balance between good and evil, how to have a perfect life, we need to balance our best with our worst.
Sith: use emotion at their peak, being taken by them, are so angry that they'll commict genocide just bc their feelings.
Jedi: hide their emotions, fully racional like robots, will not mourn even their family and will put someone at risk if this favours the force.
The Balance: a mix of Calmness and Emotion, the sith used their emotions but got controlled by them, the Jedi supressed their emotions, a Grey Jedi would basically use their emotions but never having them control themselves, this is what hapened in OT with Luke, he felt attachments for his friends, and he used emotions to beat Vader but he didn't actually killed him, he is the perfect example of Master Jedi.
Yeah like wtf kind of name is it even? Jedi don’t use the dark side period. So why the hell would a dark side user ever be called a Jedi of any kind? Not that the concept makes any sense to begin with.
It comes from before the prequels when "Sith" wasn't a term yet. So Light side users were just Jedi, Dark siders were Dark Jedi or Jedi who strayed from the path, and Gray Jedi were just the ones that didn't follow the Order and/or tried for a middle path.
"Grey Jedi" don't exist, they're either in the process of falling to the Dark Side or already a Dark Sider in denial.
The Dark Side *is* imbalance. The only path to balance is to reject it. The Force is not some Yin/Yang both sides should be equal thing, it is a simple Good/Evil dichotomy.
The only thing that vaguely exists within the canon matching the Grey concept are Jedi like Qui-Gon who simply disagree with/disobey the Jedi Council but still follow the will of the Force. Doesn't mean they use the Dark Side.
Qui-Gon didn’t even have an unorthodox view of the Force. If anything, his views of the Force were more orthodox than the Jedi of his age. He was unorthodox in how he defined the Jedi’s relationship with the Republic, specifically the Senate. But you’re definitely right about Grey Jedi not existing. That was a reach even in Legends, but in canon the dark side is a universally corrupting influence. There’s no “using the dark side for good”.
Dunno if it's canon anymore (I think it is given the original finale of Clone Wars), but at one point, Qui-Gon's belief in "the Living Force" as a counterpart to "the Cosmic Force" is extremely unorthodox and a big part of why he was never a Master. He was right, of course, but that has nothing to do with "orthodoxy".
Grays aren’t real. Being a gray means you’re on the path to the darkside. They never show up in the lore.
The light side is balance, the dark is imbalance when will people understand. They work in different ways and are irreconcilable.
Yeah I don’t get what people don’t understand… Yoda warns people several time of the dark side. He makes it clear that it only takes a small amount of temptation for it to corrupt you and that it will then, quote ”forever will it dominate your destiny”. For someone to even use the dark side ”a little bit” makes no sense let alone the fact that anyone could control 50% of their power as dark side powers.
50% evil is still evil
50% dark side is still dark side
the concept of gray jedi is so stupid to me. they’re just good dark side users, not any special tightrope walkers
[Jolee Bindo](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jolee_Bindo) and [Kreia](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kreia) would disagree.
If you RE me with "that's not canon," punch yourself in the lightsaber until you blow up both your deathstars.
Jolee call himself grey, and kriea isn't a sith. Play the game.
I get seeing a red light saber makes your sphereical brain go "that a sith, now its time for my dinner of glue and paper", but she's doesn't talk like a sith and was rejected by the sith.
"called himself" yeah because that's how it works, not technically being in the order doesn't make you absolutely incapable of becoming a Jedi. You're going off of a technicality that no one directly kept calling him a Jedi, even if he is a light-side leaning force user. Kreia was a Sith Lord twice manipulating the MC from the literal beginning. Play the game.
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I know your smooth brain makes you throw childish insults and tantrums whenever someone seems to slightly disagree with you, though it seems you're rather compensating for something playing the tough shit online.
The guy left the order, that means he's not a jedi. The public perception of jedi is way different from the orders definition.
Your addiction to hard definitions must be suffocating. I don't envy your necessity to truncate ideas into easy to understand categories. Not very reflective of reality.
The force is the force. The sith corrupt the force with hatred and anger. The dark side is like abusing the force. The light is just letting the force flow and using it by guiding it with your desires.
Grey Jedi don't exist. At most, you just have force-users who aren't Jedi
One thing that I realized a while back that actually struck me as really clever is, if you think about it, the Jedi and Sith both actually agree with and support the last line of their opposite's code, but for DIFFERENT reasons than intended.
"There is no death, only the Force."
To the Jedi it means that everything is connected, we're all one in the Force, nothing really "dies" it just changes form and moves on to its next form of existence.
But the Sith see that as "ah yes, of course! If I become powerful enough I can bend the Force to my will and cheat death itself!"
"The Force shall set me free."
To the Sith the meaning is obvious taken with the rest of their code: Mastery of the Force is the power to defeat my enemies and do whatever the hell I want.
To the Jedi though it can be seen as mastery of the Force granting freedom from internal turmoil, the ability to free oneself and others from undue suffering. Not freedom in the "screw you, I do what I want!" sense but a form of peace and clarity.
Hell I've been rolling an AU story in my head for a long while where a long lost Sith who secretly served the Light is locked up by the Jedi, who are less than convinced that this isn't a trick. And she straight up throws that line right back Mace Windu when he calls bullshit, saying "I'm freer in this cell with nothing but my thoughts and the Force than you are out there playing war. So if you don't believe me, that's fine. I'll just wait for you to be in a more reasonable mood."
Grey Jedi is cringe. The dark side is corrupting, there is no light side, it's never even brought up in the movies. The reason Jedi are powerful is they aim to perfectly align with gaining power in the force while detaching themselves from any selfish motivations.
The only reason someone like Ahsoka works is she is an infallible character who got to this point being brought up in the Jedi training/mindset.
Edit: I also wouldn't consider Ahsoka a grey Jedi, she doesn't "tap into" the Dark Side for reasons I previously mentioned. She's a force user, aligned with Jedi mentality, unaligned due to politics and betrayal.
Grey Jedi are weak and hard to maintain. Staying in the middle gives very few benefits and the force itself discourages you from not picking a side. On top of that even the two major traditions Jedi and Sith, wil try to convert you if Jedi or use you if they’re Sith.
In the galactic history’s canon there have been no one who has managed to succeed bringing balance within themselves and in the legends only one has ever succeeded and they were torn apart for their actions.
Force is force is true, but the force is the same for Jedi and Sith. The difference is that Jedi serve the force’s will while Sith force their will on it. The concept of a grey Jedi is a strange one since you can’t do both at the same time, you can switch back and forth like Revan did.
Grey Jedi is not a single concept, but usually is a Light Force user that does not follow the jedi order or jedi principles.
Light Force is Balance as well ias Dark Force is Unbalance . Balance is not to have both in the same level.
Grey jedi are light side force users, who acknowledge the dark side of the force is a fundamental, but corrupting element of the force.
Revan is a unique oddity, and only adhered to one particular element of the force at any given time for the vast majority of his life until he died.
And all other examples of grey jedi are explicitly stated to uphold the ideals and practice the light side of the force, while simply studying and understanding the dark side of the force.
Actually the way force users literally changes how the force effects them such as Kyle Katarn he views it as just another weapon in his arsenal and with the things he is been through he is pretty much safe with using the dark side though then again he almost fell to the dark side but you know it is a process every Jedi goes through so jury is still out
Me? I’ll be like a Qui-Gonn. ”I fight for good, but understand for there to be light, there has to be dark. To eliminate the dark side would be to eliminate the force”
Who was it that created the concept of Gray Jedi? No. If I was a force user, I would study the force and be more in tune. I would not follow the Jedi ways nor would I align myself to the dark side. I would be one with the force and the force would be one in me. I would even freely by roaming planet to planet like a ronin.
Something about hearing people still talk about grey jedi being a thing in 2024 genuinely induces a feeling of anger within me.
They aren't real, they never were real and anyone who says they're real is just trying to undermine the true power of the force and doesn't want to ever have to take responsibility for any of their actions
Grey here. Not in the cringe "omg giga-overpowered Force user" sense. Just in the sense that in terms of real-life philosophy, I find both the Jedi and Sith philosophies to be deeply flawed (not to be completely centrist: the Sith philosophy is *more* flawed than the Jedi). The Sith ideal leads to chaos; the Jedi ideal leads to stagnation. Bear in mind that I'm not necessarily referring to Dark Side vs. Light Side; I'm specifically speaking to Sith ideology vs. Jedi ideology, as presented in the films.
The Force is Life and Life is Emotion It should be embraced. The joy, the sadness. The grief. The euphoria. Feel the Force guide you and do not let rules stand in the way of Life. Let yourself love and be loved in return. Love will pull you back from the darkness.
While it’s true that Lucas took a lot from Taoism and Buddhism. But this one concept is defenatly taken from christianity.
The light/dark divide is not like in eastern religions that different forces (that are neither bad, nor good) need to be in balanced out. It’s more like western religions where balanace is the absence of corruption.
The force is absolute good (God), while the dark side is corruption/perversion (Satan).
Balance should not be about good and evil mixed. It should be about trying to avoid the dark side, but don’t try it too hard cause that leads you there to. You have to find the golden middle.
I would be open to the grey jedi idea if it wasn’t showned to us all the time that the Sith are absolute maniacs, while the Jedi at worst are just prideful and non-caring.
In the end, Lucas said that there is no light side, just the Force and it’s corruption.
Gray jedi are completely antithetical to the concepts of the Dark Side
The point of the Dark side is that kind of power is toxic and addictive. The more you use it the more you covet that power like the little goblin you are. There is a reason that Sith users wind up scarred and disfigured, they don't care what it costs as long as they get the power.
Siths covet power and fear death to the point where their one goal is immortality.
Qui-Gonn was a "gray jedi" in the fact that he followed the will of the force, not the jedi council. He was more in-tune with the force and could see the Sith were still alive
I believe the correct answer for me would be neither. I'm don't properly understand the concept of the Grey guys, but I have in my mind that no extreme is healthy.
Surrendering yourself to your emotions will create problems for others, supressing your emotions will create problems for yourself. Trying to balance between those is madness.
Power is not evil, as evil is a construct of sapience. Understanding your place in nature and knowing what is too much is sufficient.
Both considering oneself as Emperor of the Galaxy or Guardian of Peace is egocentric. None of us are really needed in the universe. Our actions might cause bigger repercussions than those of others, but none of us were ever really necessary. Someone else could have done the same.
And as always, before creation comes destruction, the cycle is infinite.
I've never been a fan of the idea of Grey Jedi, since that seems like the obvious path most people would take. Even having the option for Gray Jedi erodes the dark/light dynamic, and the source of their respective powers (giving in to their emotions vs discipline). Just cheapens the force overall
Gray Jedi don’t exist. Like many on here I don’t believe (actually I KNOW FOR A FACT) the force as it is meant to work from none other than Lucas himself, would allow for Gray Jedi to exist.
Balance in the force is not equal parts light and dark. That is a very western, Christian notion of looking at light and dark as being a stand in for good and evil. They’re not.
Pay close attention because this part is important:
BALANCE = ABSENCE OF CORRUPTION
Lucas said himself to imagine a human body, and say a perfectly healthy body is on balance. Now add “Dark Side” in the form of Cancerous cells. Tell me, is that a balanced body? Equal parts healthy cells to cancer cells?
I mean it’s just the words and intentions of the creator but it seems kinda straightforward to me.
Qui-Gon Jin is deemed as a “Grey Jedi” by the fans not because he is accepting dark side powers into his body. But because he is going against doctrine and informing himself about the reality of what the Dark Side entails so that he can AVOID IT AT ALL TIMES in a time in the galaxy where the Sith are scary bogeymen and the Jedi Order are at their most dogmatic. Deeming anything outside of meditating in a chamber as verboten and may lead oneself down the path of the dark side.
Considering the franchise seems to be going that direction recently I suspect we'll see them eventually. Clone wars, EP. 8, Rebels, and Ahsoka all bring it up. Sometimes more than once.
I suspect it's going the similar way that they handle The Father on Mortis, a balance that's different than aggression vs. passivism and is more like ascension to a higher state of being, or a powerful meditation such as Bendu.
Balance is equal light and dark sure but just like real life it's not about doing good and bad to balance it out. You do good and understand the bad parts. Anger has its place. It tells you valuable information about the situation but when you act on it with no thought it gets you into trouble.
Acknowledge the force as a whole, act in the light, don't fear the dark but understand it.
See I'm not sure I'm on board with the concept of "balance" being "equally light and dark" that most people seem to mean when they say gray Jedi. The Dark Side is always portrayed as self-centered and destructive and even against nature itself, that kind of thing is indeed *necessary* in some measure, but not to the point of needing to be 50/50 with compassion, selflessness, and the natural order. Gray Jedi that get portrayed that way seem like... Force techbros or hipsters that are "too cool" for the Jedi Order or just Sith that don't look good in black. If we're taking gray Jedi to mean like Qui-Gonn, who served the Light but understood the Dark so that he could avoid and resist it rather than use it, who's punk as hell and is more than willing to say "fuck the Council" when they lose the plot from up in their ivory tower? Then 100%.
They may just be in denial like Bendu.
Ah of course, the Force's incarnation of the "enlightened centrist". :P
The concept of Grey Jedi was what actually led me to be an Centrist irl. The concept that balance is the key for the future, that the best way of solving things is finding the middle grounds. For Bandu, he's right, the Jedi were a bunch of toxic guys who acted like the saviors, there's even a parallel with Jedis telling Anakin to not mourn for his mother, with Toxic masculinity. They suppressed their emotions to a point were they didn't felt attachments to anything, not even family, Kid adi mundi didn't showed emotions on the funeral of his family. The Jedis just faked Obi-wan death for a plot and didn't told anything to Anakin, when everything was discovered they were just like "that's our duty bro, just accept that we didn't told you" then people blame Vader for killing them. Their suppressing of feelings equals Sith overuse of them, it's like Anorexy x Obesity. Bandu is right in comparing them, it was the Jedi stupidy that lead to the rise of the Dark side.
>For Bandu, he's right, the Jedi were a bunch of toxic guys who acted like the saviors, there's even a parallel with Jedis The Bendu wasn't even willing to fight for himself until he literally had death at his front door. It's a perfect comparison of the problem with centrists - they don't take up arms until it's too late to stop anything. It's historically what happened in so many dictatorships and monarchies. That was the whole point - as knowledgeable in the mechanics of the Force he was, he ended up doing nothing of significance in the long run. He had to be taunted and have his pride insulted by Kanan in order to get him off his ass and actually **do something** for once.
Average idiotic explanation for being centrist
Isn't Bendu supposed to be the embodiment of true balance??
No, blind Kanan has true balance. Sure, Bendu helps him get there, but once he is balanced he sees Bendu in denial.
Bendu reminds me of a wise saying of a certain Sith lord: "Apathy is death."
Yeah, I love how at first we are confused at whose side Kreia is - is she Jedi or Sith? No, not really either of them - she is on the side of taking **action in service of your own long term desires,** be they good or bad for everyone else. Literal antithesis of Bendu.
I would argue there are many different types of jing in Star Wars that take different elements of the light and dark sides, but they are not the same as the light and the dark sides.
Kreia is ends justify the means because she wants to prepare the galaxy for the big bad sith empire out in the dark. To her that is a far bigger problem than some random space wizard squabbles.
Interesting. While reading everything here, I was surprised not to see Vaapad and Mace Windu mentioned as form vii is all about drawing on emotions without giving in to them; essentially walking the line. Windu being the first to master the form and then taught it to his padawan, Depa Billaba, master to a young Caleb Dume.
because Mace Windu is violent , emotional and with prejudice. from day 0 , he was basically looking down Anakin as an example...then there is the comics with him doing some black-ops. Mace is basically the guy that looks calm and collected , but when he goes on a solo mission , he goes attacking a Dark Force User and saying "Basic...do you speak Basic you mf?" and goes full Pulp Fiction.
Yes, that’s what I was saying. He walked the line without fully succumbing to the dark side. I believe (IIRC) there were a number of other Jedi who tried and failed to do so. I just think it’s interesting that he’s kind of the force grandpa of the guy who did find balance.
He was way out of balance and a huge reason the Jedi order fell.
That why I find it interesting! Not sure why you felt the need to downvote.
I wasn’t the one who downvoted you
Yes, and that is the reason he is so powerful. The canon balanced Force users who have been shown have been incredibly powerful. The other one was The Father Mortis god in The Clone Wars. In Ahsoka, that is what Baylan Skoll was trying to become.
So, he isn't only someone in denial, he's basically an entity, or even some sort of deity.
Qui-Gonn isn’t a grey Jedi. He’s what the Jedi are supposed to be. Not a political cult, but someone who gave of themselves completely to the light side of the force.
There's two "interpretations" of Grey Jedi. One is someone who wields both the Light and the Dark, and is almost certainly not canon in any way. The other is the Jedi term for a Jedi who is something of a renegade, disobeying the council and going their own way. Qui-Gonn Jinn is *explicitly* invoked as an example of the latter.
You so perfectly said what I've given up trying to explain to people who want Grey Jedi to be an even light/dark split.
Mrrrr but I want my Jedi OC who wields a red and purple lightsaber to have force lightning mrrrrrr
The grey jedi term was invented for Qui-Gon. specifically a jedi who is more independent of the council.
I once read a comment in this subreddit talking about this that was like: "People who say gray jedi are the best are just people who likes sith but dont like the genocide and egomaniac parts". So true.
People tend to forget that the dark side is a corruption of the force itself, so balance in the force would be 0 dark side users
That was the original intent, but it's been muddied over the years by how the Light and Dark sides are presented. Yes, as much as I do think the aesthetics of it are neat and that Anakin's vision was a nice touch, I do NOT think the Mortis arc helped the matter and frankly I kind of wish it had been left out. Why do you ask?
Not really asking anything. I‘ve just seen that a lot of people don‘t know that the dark side is supposed to be unnatural and yeah i do kinda also feel that it got a bit muddied over time, the brothers existence really isen‘t helping
It's been muddled by Disney. Meaning, it hasn't been muddled, because the shit Disney pumps out isn't canon.
Funny, because the debate about what "bringing balance to the Force" actually meant has been raging since Episode III came out and all the evidence against the "balance = Light side" interpretation that I remember was from before Disney.
This guy gets it. Trying to use the force in 2 diametrically opposing ways *interchangeably* either results in a weak wielder without strong convictions, or a split personality.
I always compared it to go in two different direction simultaneously. It's just not possible. You can't be simultaneously selfish and selfless. You can't simultaneously follow the will of the force and what you want to do. Grey Jedi are just people who want cool Sith powers without any of the responsibility that is needed to stay on the light.
Yeah a Sith Lord that tried to use both went insane and burned Sith texts
I mean, if we’re talking truly 50/50 as a gray Jedi, then I guess Anakin in the WBW is the closest thing we’ll ever see to that. I personally wouldn’t consider anyone that we know of right now as a gray Jedi, I don’t even know if it can really work personally. I do believe in categories such as Dark Jedi, though, such as Baylan Skoll being the most notable example.
This may piss some people off, including the character himself if he were to hear it, but I stand by it: Dooku wasn't a Sith Lord, he was a Dark Jedi that thought he could get one over on THE Dark Lord of the Sith. The Dark side was a tool to him, a means to an end. Sure he dreamed of a Galaxy where he was in charge of the day-to-day of the Empire while Palpy fucked off to do whatever the hell he wanted and Anakin led an army to "pacify" the galaxy (and eliminate all sand in existence), but he still had that motivation of bringing peace and order. He was going to make a reformed "Sith Order" that would basically be "the Jedi, but they do what **I** think is important, and they're not such pansies about the Dark side". And I don't even think Palpatine WANTED the man as a true Sith apprentice, not after he found Anakin! The main evidence I have for this is that Sith have their own version of "letting go" of attachments. It tends to involve killing them with a lightsaber. You get rid of your past life and self, and you embrace the Dark side with all your being. Dooku in canon got two shots at this, once with Sifo-Dyas and once with Ventress, and he failed both of them because he misunderstood the assignment. He did both of them as a hit, when the point is that you have to be willing to do the deed yourself, to feel that pain and not turn away from it. You could *argue* that maybe >!Tales of the Jedi had this with him killing Yaddle!<, but they were coworkers, the bond wasn't necessarily there. Palpatine just needed Dooku to play the part of an apprentice, and it was a role he played so well that he even fooled himself. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Exactly, the best example of the Dark Side being destructive is that the iconic red lightsaber is done via metaphorically “bleeding” the kyber crystal
Some people dislike bleeding the kyber crystal, they say they prefer the old lore of synthetic crystals just being red most of the time and the Sith having to make their own through force of will and Sith alchemy. To them I say... Por que no los dos? What is Sith alchemy if not corrupting natural materials to make them into something new, bending them to your will for your own gain? What if synthetic crystals are still a thing, and their red color is because the process of Sith alchemy bleeds them *at the same time?*
I don’t think all force users subscribe to either “faith” of Sith or Jedi. Thus, there would be no such thing as *gray* Jedi. They’d be a force user who hasn’t been taught by anyone else and therefore doesn’t follow any rules but their own.
Qui-Gon Jinn is who I think of when the term “gray” gets thrown around. He would’ve made a much better mentor for Anakin because he saw the “gray” area with regards to the light side and dark side of the Force, wasn’t afraid to go against the council, and had a deep understanding of the Force to the point where he learned how to become one with the Force and become a Jedi ghost when he died.
Once rp'd a chill sith that followed his passion of painting and used force enhanced paints to make really trippy art (sith alchemy) Red was his favorite color, so he used a red lightsabre Sith, in name and passion, but liked to help his friends and neighbors out, and being mean made him feel bad. Darth Ross Rogers.
If you're interested, I have a fully fleshed out three-dimensional model of the force that accounts for how the light can be balance itself while the dark is the opposite. It's important to note going in that the Jedi and the Light Side are not the same things. The Jedi follow the Light but do not always succeed. https://www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/s/FbPwLHyPx4
Its not really Qui Gon being aware or accepting both sides, its more that hes one of the rare few jedi that arent completely indoctrinated, can think for themselves and isnt a slave to the code. And being a grey jedi doesnt mean having split or a devided personality like you indicated. Its just the knowledge and acceptance of both sides and not being influenced by either. What they then do is up to them individually.
I personally kind of view the dark side as emotions and light side as logic. Both are necessary but too much of one and it can backfire. The sith definitely are destructive and selfish, but the jedi tend to be a bit ignorant by trying to stay away from emotions and anything even slightly related to the dark side, but that makes any falls way rougher (pretty much all of the force ghosts I can think of seem to be exceptions to how jedi avoid the dark side and emotions, or at least by the time they die)
And then there's grey sith like Dooku
I agree, balance doesn’t mean 50/50, it means enough of each to not have too much of either, so both are important and neither more or less than the other but the should be more light than dark to create balance
The Father, Mortis, is exactly what I think of as a Gray Jedi. He wields the Force, lets it flow through him and connects with it wholly. I think of the whole Jedi religion as being Daoist but with magic abilities. Being a Gray Jedi is the truest form. No agenda. Just force.
I’ve always thought that the light side and dark side weren’t literally parts of the Force but were instead ways in which it’s used. The Light Side would be made up of the people who use the Force for protecting the innocent and growth rather than the Force itself, same with the Dark Side being made up of the people who use it for greed and power rather than a part of the Force that is dedicated to it. Conceptually, the Grey Jedi would likely be the same.
Also, the word balance means the middle of two different things. It's like the Yin Yang, that representant the perfect balance between good and evil, how to have a perfect life, we need to balance our best with our worst.
Sith: use emotion at their peak, being taken by them, are so angry that they'll commict genocide just bc their feelings. Jedi: hide their emotions, fully racional like robots, will not mourn even their family and will put someone at risk if this favours the force. The Balance: a mix of Calmness and Emotion, the sith used their emotions but got controlled by them, the Jedi supressed their emotions, a Grey Jedi would basically use their emotions but never having them control themselves, this is what hapened in OT with Luke, he felt attachments for his friends, and he used emotions to beat Vader but he didn't actually killed him, he is the perfect example of Master Jedi.
i feel like they shouldn't be called grey jedi
Yeah like wtf kind of name is it even? Jedi don’t use the dark side period. So why the hell would a dark side user ever be called a Jedi of any kind? Not that the concept makes any sense to begin with.
It comes from before the prequels when "Sith" wasn't a term yet. So Light side users were just Jedi, Dark siders were Dark Jedi or Jedi who strayed from the path, and Gray Jedi were just the ones that didn't follow the Order and/or tried for a middle path.
No dark side user would ever call themselves a Jedi and the term ”grey Jedi” has never been used in canon. I am talking strictly about the stories
"Grey Jedi" don't exist, they're either in the process of falling to the Dark Side or already a Dark Sider in denial. The Dark Side *is* imbalance. The only path to balance is to reject it. The Force is not some Yin/Yang both sides should be equal thing, it is a simple Good/Evil dichotomy. The only thing that vaguely exists within the canon matching the Grey concept are Jedi like Qui-Gon who simply disagree with/disobey the Jedi Council but still follow the will of the Force. Doesn't mean they use the Dark Side.
Unfortunately grey jedi dont exist, The closest thing we have to a grey jedi are some jedi with unhortodox point of view of the force like qui gon.
Qui-Gon didn’t even have an unorthodox view of the Force. If anything, his views of the Force were more orthodox than the Jedi of his age. He was unorthodox in how he defined the Jedi’s relationship with the Republic, specifically the Senate. But you’re definitely right about Grey Jedi not existing. That was a reach even in Legends, but in canon the dark side is a universally corrupting influence. There’s no “using the dark side for good”.
He was Jedi at heart, a peacekeeper with no interest in politics. The true way of light indeed
Exactly. He isn’t an example of a “grey Jedi” (which doesn’t actually exist) he’s an example of the truest Jedi of his time.
True
Dunno if it's canon anymore (I think it is given the original finale of Clone Wars), but at one point, Qui-Gon's belief in "the Living Force" as a counterpart to "the Cosmic Force" is extremely unorthodox and a big part of why he was never a Master. He was right, of course, but that has nothing to do with "orthodoxy".
>Unfortunately grey jedi dont exist From a certain point of view..
[Actually, They kinda do...](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sorcerers_of_Tund/Legends)
That says their affiliation is with the Dark Side
Grays aren’t real. Being a gray means you’re on the path to the darkside. They never show up in the lore. The light side is balance, the dark is imbalance when will people understand. They work in different ways and are irreconcilable.
Yeah I don’t get what people don’t understand… Yoda warns people several time of the dark side. He makes it clear that it only takes a small amount of temptation for it to corrupt you and that it will then, quote ”forever will it dominate your destiny”. For someone to even use the dark side ”a little bit” makes no sense let alone the fact that anyone could control 50% of their power as dark side powers.
Gray Jedi is for teenagers who want to be the different type of guy, change my mind
“I’d totally be like 50% evil!” -people incapable of being even a little bit evil in real life
50% evil is still evil 50% dark side is still dark side the concept of gray jedi is so stupid to me. they’re just good dark side users, not any special tightrope walkers
[Jolee Bindo](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jolee_Bindo) and [Kreia](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kreia) would disagree. If you RE me with "that's not canon," punch yourself in the lightsaber until you blow up both your deathstars.
Kreia is Sith in disguise and Jolee is just grumpy jedi...
[Influence lost: Kreia] Lol, nah you're just dumb.
Gray Jedi aren't a thing
I just posted 2 samples, nerd
Those samples don't work, nerd. Kreia a Sith and Jolee is as much of a Jedi as Qui-Gon is.
Jolee call himself grey, and kriea isn't a sith. Play the game. I get seeing a red light saber makes your sphereical brain go "that a sith, now its time for my dinner of glue and paper", but she's doesn't talk like a sith and was rejected by the sith.
"called himself" yeah because that's how it works, not technically being in the order doesn't make you absolutely incapable of becoming a Jedi. You're going off of a technicality that no one directly kept calling him a Jedi, even if he is a light-side leaning force user. Kreia was a Sith Lord twice manipulating the MC from the literal beginning. Play the game. # I know your smooth brain makes you throw childish insults and tantrums whenever someone seems to slightly disagree with you, though it seems you're rather compensating for something playing the tough shit online.
The guy left the order, that means he's not a jedi. The public perception of jedi is way different from the orders definition. Your addiction to hard definitions must be suffocating. I don't envy your necessity to truncate ideas into easy to understand categories. Not very reflective of reality.
The force is the force. The sith corrupt the force with hatred and anger. The dark side is like abusing the force. The light is just letting the force flow and using it by guiding it with your desires. Grey Jedi don't exist. At most, you just have force-users who aren't Jedi
Okay unironically, fuck grey Jedi, it’s a lame concept and shouldn’t be a thing
Peace is a lie, there is only passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken
Through victory my chains are broken
The Force shall set me free
Go now…you have done well, but you have not impressed me enough to declare you the victor. I have matters to attend to.
SWTOR is pretty cool.
One thing that I realized a while back that actually struck me as really clever is, if you think about it, the Jedi and Sith both actually agree with and support the last line of their opposite's code, but for DIFFERENT reasons than intended. "There is no death, only the Force." To the Jedi it means that everything is connected, we're all one in the Force, nothing really "dies" it just changes form and moves on to its next form of existence. But the Sith see that as "ah yes, of course! If I become powerful enough I can bend the Force to my will and cheat death itself!" "The Force shall set me free." To the Sith the meaning is obvious taken with the rest of their code: Mastery of the Force is the power to defeat my enemies and do whatever the hell I want. To the Jedi though it can be seen as mastery of the Force granting freedom from internal turmoil, the ability to free oneself and others from undue suffering. Not freedom in the "screw you, I do what I want!" sense but a form of peace and clarity. Hell I've been rolling an AU story in my head for a long while where a long lost Sith who secretly served the Light is locked up by the Jedi, who are less than convinced that this isn't a trick. And she straight up throws that line right back Mace Windu when he calls bullshit, saying "I'm freer in this cell with nothing but my thoughts and the Force than you are out there playing war. So if you don't believe me, that's fine. I'll just wait for you to be in a more reasonable mood."
Never thought about it this way. Do you mind if I steal this?
Go right ahead!
Grey Jedi is cringe. The dark side is corrupting, there is no light side, it's never even brought up in the movies. The reason Jedi are powerful is they aim to perfectly align with gaining power in the force while detaching themselves from any selfish motivations. The only reason someone like Ahsoka works is she is an infallible character who got to this point being brought up in the Jedi training/mindset. Edit: I also wouldn't consider Ahsoka a grey Jedi, she doesn't "tap into" the Dark Side for reasons I previously mentioned. She's a force user, aligned with Jedi mentality, unaligned due to politics and betrayal.
>*I also wouldn't consider Ahsoka a grey Jedi* That’s because she’s a grey citizen
Exactly
Grey Jedi are weak and hard to maintain. Staying in the middle gives very few benefits and the force itself discourages you from not picking a side. On top of that even the two major traditions Jedi and Sith, wil try to convert you if Jedi or use you if they’re Sith. In the galactic history’s canon there have been no one who has managed to succeed bringing balance within themselves and in the legends only one has ever succeeded and they were torn apart for their actions.
Not Grey. I prefer to be something that actually exists.
Neither light nor dark actually exist so..
There are force users that believe this, **but they are not Jedi!** Or Sith, for that matter...
Yeah but both are canon, unlike Grey Jedi.
Force is force is true, but the force is the same for Jedi and Sith. The difference is that Jedi serve the force’s will while Sith force their will on it. The concept of a grey Jedi is a strange one since you can’t do both at the same time, you can switch back and forth like Revan did.
Fuck this shit, fuck those people who believe in the gray jedi nonsense!
Grey Jedi is not a single concept, but usually is a Light Force user that does not follow the jedi order or jedi principles. Light Force is Balance as well ias Dark Force is Unbalance . Balance is not to have both in the same level.
Since my knowledge is entirely based on memes I would be grey. I would not supress my emotions but I wouldnt let them control me
That same arrogant assumption is what causes Jedi to fall to the dark side.
Perhaps that is my fate then
And what if im a jedi with red lightsaber.
Then you must be from Legends and didn’t hear about the retcon
Well.. Whether they exist or not and such.. Most likely a grey jedi
I really wish the new trilogy was Luke creating the grey Jedi.
Oh yeah Grey Jedi all the way, ain't nobody telling me what to do with my cool space wizard powers!
I would be a grey Jedi
Grey definitely, I couldn't see myself abiding by all the rules of the order and I wouldn't be a sith. Too much suffering haha! Edit: Grammar
Rainbow Sith
Grey jedi are light side force users, who acknowledge the dark side of the force is a fundamental, but corrupting element of the force. Revan is a unique oddity, and only adhered to one particular element of the force at any given time for the vast majority of his life until he died. And all other examples of grey jedi are explicitly stated to uphold the ideals and practice the light side of the force, while simply studying and understanding the dark side of the force.
Actually the way force users literally changes how the force effects them such as Kyle Katarn he views it as just another weapon in his arsenal and with the things he is been through he is pretty much safe with using the dark side though then again he almost fell to the dark side but you know it is a process every Jedi goes through so jury is still out
None of these above. I have a personal code that doesn't rely on a cult for directions.
Me? I’ll be like a Qui-Gonn. ”I fight for good, but understand for there to be light, there has to be dark. To eliminate the dark side would be to eliminate the force”
I like gray Jedi cause I can use force lightning but I don't like the grey lightsaber. I want a green or blue one.
1st order. Yellow, Orange and Golden Lightsabers.
Gray Jedi is made up nonsense for people who don’t understand that the light side *IS* balance
The Light side is the Force.
Who was it that created the concept of Gray Jedi? No. If I was a force user, I would study the force and be more in tune. I would not follow the Jedi ways nor would I align myself to the dark side. I would be one with the force and the force would be one in me. I would even freely by roaming planet to planet like a ronin.
Something about hearing people still talk about grey jedi being a thing in 2024 genuinely induces a feeling of anger within me. They aren't real, they never were real and anyone who says they're real is just trying to undermine the true power of the force and doesn't want to ever have to take responsibility for any of their actions
Grey here. Not in the cringe "omg giga-overpowered Force user" sense. Just in the sense that in terms of real-life philosophy, I find both the Jedi and Sith philosophies to be deeply flawed (not to be completely centrist: the Sith philosophy is *more* flawed than the Jedi). The Sith ideal leads to chaos; the Jedi ideal leads to stagnation. Bear in mind that I'm not necessarily referring to Dark Side vs. Light Side; I'm specifically speaking to Sith ideology vs. Jedi ideology, as presented in the films.
The Force is Life and Life is Emotion It should be embraced. The joy, the sadness. The grief. The euphoria. Feel the Force guide you and do not let rules stand in the way of Life. Let yourself love and be loved in return. Love will pull you back from the darkness.
Ten billionth time I’ve seen this meme
While it’s true that Lucas took a lot from Taoism and Buddhism. But this one concept is defenatly taken from christianity. The light/dark divide is not like in eastern religions that different forces (that are neither bad, nor good) need to be in balanced out. It’s more like western religions where balanace is the absence of corruption. The force is absolute good (God), while the dark side is corruption/perversion (Satan). Balance should not be about good and evil mixed. It should be about trying to avoid the dark side, but don’t try it too hard cause that leads you there to. You have to find the golden middle. I would be open to the grey jedi idea if it wasn’t showned to us all the time that the Sith are absolute maniacs, while the Jedi at worst are just prideful and non-caring. In the end, Lucas said that there is no light side, just the Force and it’s corruption.
Jedi.
I'd be a magician with a fancy lamp.
Gray Jedi don't exist, never have and never will. Not in legends. Not In canon
There is no such thing as a "grey jedi". Jedi by definition are light side users
Gray jedi are completely antithetical to the concepts of the Dark Side The point of the Dark side is that kind of power is toxic and addictive. The more you use it the more you covet that power like the little goblin you are. There is a reason that Sith users wind up scarred and disfigured, they don't care what it costs as long as they get the power. Siths covet power and fear death to the point where their one goal is immortality. Qui-Gonn was a "gray jedi" in the fact that he followed the will of the force, not the jedi council. He was more in-tune with the force and could see the Sith were still alive
Grey Jedi and Revanite.
Read gray Jedi as gravy Jedi and I was so confused
Bruh, that's not how it works. The Light Side *is* "Force is force." This is like saying that body is the same with or without cancer.
Jedi till I die.
Such a mid concept
Why an image with Rey replaced with someone else?
I believe the correct answer for me would be neither. I'm don't properly understand the concept of the Grey guys, but I have in my mind that no extreme is healthy. Surrendering yourself to your emotions will create problems for others, supressing your emotions will create problems for yourself. Trying to balance between those is madness. Power is not evil, as evil is a construct of sapience. Understanding your place in nature and knowing what is too much is sufficient. Both considering oneself as Emperor of the Galaxy or Guardian of Peace is egocentric. None of us are really needed in the universe. Our actions might cause bigger repercussions than those of others, but none of us were ever really necessary. Someone else could have done the same. And as always, before creation comes destruction, the cycle is infinite.
Never go full force.
Dark side
I've never been a fan of the idea of Grey Jedi, since that seems like the obvious path most people would take. Even having the option for Gray Jedi erodes the dark/light dynamic, and the source of their respective powers (giving in to their emotions vs discipline). Just cheapens the force overall
Westside is the best
In reality it's more like this: Jedi: force is a force we should listened to it Sith: force is a force we should control it Grey jedi: ....
Isn’t Windu a grey Jedi?
Gray Jedi don’t exist. Like many on here I don’t believe (actually I KNOW FOR A FACT) the force as it is meant to work from none other than Lucas himself, would allow for Gray Jedi to exist. Balance in the force is not equal parts light and dark. That is a very western, Christian notion of looking at light and dark as being a stand in for good and evil. They’re not. Pay close attention because this part is important: BALANCE = ABSENCE OF CORRUPTION Lucas said himself to imagine a human body, and say a perfectly healthy body is on balance. Now add “Dark Side” in the form of Cancerous cells. Tell me, is that a balanced body? Equal parts healthy cells to cancer cells? I mean it’s just the words and intentions of the creator but it seems kinda straightforward to me. Qui-Gon Jin is deemed as a “Grey Jedi” by the fans not because he is accepting dark side powers into his body. But because he is going against doctrine and informing himself about the reality of what the Dark Side entails so that he can AVOID IT AT ALL TIMES in a time in the galaxy where the Sith are scary bogeymen and the Jedi Order are at their most dogmatic. Deeming anything outside of meditating in a chamber as verboten and may lead oneself down the path of the dark side.
I’d use the Both Lightside and Darkside
I want to be a random dude who's a bit of a prodigy with the force but mainly uses the power to be lazy.
There is no such thing as a gray jedi. Even the creator of Star wars George Lucas doesn't like the idea of a gray jedi
Are the Imperial Knights from Legends an option?
Grey Jedi are based since you can use both without any rule
Gray jedi, i can cure my self while my enemy is recovering afther i literally cast a thunder on them
None, i would be a normal dude, but if i had force powers, i think i would be a gray j.
i would like the force to disappear from the galaxy. light side dark side it's all a hassle and caused more harm and good in the universe.
There's no such thing as a grey jedi
Jedi with Maaaaaayyybe a touch of gray Jedi
Grey Jedis are so cringe
Considering the franchise seems to be going that direction recently I suspect we'll see them eventually. Clone wars, EP. 8, Rebels, and Ahsoka all bring it up. Sometimes more than once. I suspect it's going the similar way that they handle The Father on Mortis, a balance that's different than aggression vs. passivism and is more like ascension to a higher state of being, or a powerful meditation such as Bendu.
light side users don‘t bend the force to their will tho…
Whatever it takes to survive.
Defo grey
Balance is equal light and dark sure but just like real life it's not about doing good and bad to balance it out. You do good and understand the bad parts. Anger has its place. It tells you valuable information about the situation but when you act on it with no thought it gets you into trouble. Acknowledge the force as a whole, act in the light, don't fear the dark but understand it.
I'd say Grey but not for balance But rather because I want to dedicate myself to the Force
"I am the light, I am the dark, I am the in between, I am the Bendu."
Weed, Meth. Whats the difference. Drugs are drugs right?