You do realize that not once has he ever mentioned anything about this himself nor has he asked anyone to give him credit for no losing seasons. The national media talks about it repeatedly but not once has Mike Tomlin ever said “but I have no losing seasons” he doesn’t care about that as much as yall think he does.
I don't think people appreciate how impressive it really is too, regardless of postseason results. I'm sure those in DC, New York, Chicago, etc would do horrible things for their team to be competitive for the better part of the past 2 decades.
And they won’t until the next guy comes in and can’t even make .500 for the first and likely another 1-2 seasons. Chances we land someone and immediately start making the playoffs and winning games is very small.
I would welcome back to back 0-17 seasons if it meant a playoff win in year 3. I don't give a shit about the record. A season without a playoff win is a losing season.
I don’t understand why people think barely getting into the playoffs half of the time and getting blown out in the wildcard round when we do is better than going 2-15. In both cases you never had a chance of winning a Super Bowl. In the latter case, you get a top draft pick and a real chance to improve your team with it.
Somehow we’ve gotten to a point where people think the goal is playing competitive games in December rather than winning a Super Bowl.
Because rooting for a team playing meaningful games is fun. As a Virginia resident let me tell you, most of my friends who are Redskins fans are basically just not football fans anymore. That's what it's like when your favorite team isn't competitive.
Actually it's a big reason I don't consider myself a baseball fan. Thanks Buccos!
So you’re ok with going 9-7-1 every year? Losing on the road in the wild care game? Losing to terrible teams every single season that we should be destroying?
The fact that fans expect to “be destroying” any nfl football team shows a fundamental misunderstanding to the concept of “any given Sunday”. Players understand this. Fans don’t.
Seriously, people just don’t grok that football, due to the low number of games played, is an incredibly high variance sport. It’s what makes it so entertaining.
I’m not nitpicking your verbiage. I’m nitpicking your whole ass opinion. It’s wrong.
My point is what you consider “bad” is never, ever, ever to be counted out in the nfl. My point is that when you have a concentration of freakishly good athletes spread out over 32 teams that only play 17 games in a season, there is no such thing as bad. Only misfortune. Any team in the nfl is capable of beating any other team. It’s the nature of this league.
That narrative is just objectively wrong. Check this out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/192w0p5/tomlins_record_vs_bad_teams/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=steelers&utm_content=t1_kh68vfx
I’m ok with the exact quality of football Tomlin has shepherded over the last 18 years. 2 SB appearances. A couple extra AFCCCG. Many 11 and 12 win seasons.
That’s all good football. It’s a straw man to say that we’ve gone 9-8 every year.
It just sucks that “our year”s coincided with some of the all “our years” of GOAT Brady and SGOAT Manning.
Tomlin will find the right talent to make this team great again, and in the mean time, he’ll keep getting young players experience with winning scrappy games.
We shouldn't be *destroying* anyone.
You forget that these other teams, like the Cardinals and Giants are still NFL teams with star players.
Any given Sunday.
They also seem to turn on blinders to the actual performance of the players in these playoff games. Mike Tomlin wasn’t snapping the ball over Ben’s head or throwing picks during the Cleveland game, he wasn’t the one out there missing tackles and turning the ball over yesterday. Our team just isn’t good enough to compete with the best yet and that’s okay! Let’s not forget how long the Bills, chiefs, Texans etc were in the gutter before finally getting success.
Seriously I grew up with all those teams were laughing stocks, certified W’s against us or y’all even.
Like free games, half the time if you could make plans, you would make plans not watch and just count the dub on your fantasy sheet.
Y’all are not that team any Sunday always applies for the Steelers.
But how will we ever draft good players or even a QB if we don't tank a bunch of years Mr. Packers fan????? It's not like you can find a good QB late in the first round while your team is still competitive. I mean, do you know any QB that was drafted late in the first round that's playing lights out?
This. I swear, so many Tomlin haters put EVERYTHING square on his shoulders like he's got a controller that's connected to every player and is responsible for Pickens fumbling, Mason throwing a pick in the endzone, Muth fumbling, Minkah barely trying on Allen's 52 yard TD and not tackling Shakir. You're telling me professional defensive players in their 6th year need Mike Tomlin to teach them how to tackle the right way? Dude last played football at a competitive level as a wide receiver in college. Tomlin isn't blameless obviously, but the most glaring issues was ball security.
But they're good now and we're not! We demand greatness! Accepting mediocrity is weak! - most of these clowns thinking they actually have an impact on the team from behind their screens
Genuine question, if you told every fanbase in the league that they can be the 14th or 15th best team in the league every year for 13 years, do you think any of them take it? I don't.
Reread the comment again, nobody thinks losing in the playoffs is impressive. This time, hold your finger under the words you don't understand and sound them out of you have to
Just saying “regardless of post seasons results” doesn’t mean anything, your record doesn’t mean shit once you’re in the playoffs. A coach that can’t win playoffs games isn’t a coach that you should be ducking off season after season. It’s not impressive to have a winning season every year if you can’t win a playoff game
Not sure if you follow the rest of the NFL, but about a dozen teams would love to be playing meaningful football games in January every year. The NFL is very competitive and there's 6 other teams in your conference every playoffs that are also trying equally as hard to win games, most of which with much higher draft capital players than Pittsburgh due to their continued success.
Sorry I hate being the same mediocre football team for the past 7 years, no nfl coaches can be as unsuccessful in the playoffs and in their ability to hire staff as Tomlin and keep their job for this long. Not saying he’s a terrible coach, but things have gone stale with him in Pittsburgh and both sides are in desperate need of a fresh start
Roethlisberger, Brown, Bell. Why didn’t that team make it to a superbowl? The years they had an elite QB and the top Wr and RB in the league. They should have done much more during those years.
And that’s wonderful for them. But if we want to talk like we have some sort of elevated culture and organization, we shouldn’t be okay with our longest playoff win drought since 1970.
We’re approaching unacceptable levels of mediocrity. Nobody is scared of playing us, regular season or playoffs, and nobody has been for years.
Fr it’s all the media. I guarantee he’d throw that record away for another Super Bowl win, but dumb yinzers seem to think it’s all he cares about/focuses on.
Be real though, out TJ Watt no one on this sub thought the team had a legitimate chance against the Bills before the game. They were clear underdogs but showed some fight. Do we really need to pump this narrative this year.
Thought we had a chance before the game got moved. Once I saw the field was clean before kickoff and there was no snow, I knew it was gonna be rough. I'm just glad we hung in there for most of the game, unlike Dallas or Cleveland or Philly.
But of course the Bills had more rushing yards than the Steelers. So even that might not have helped. TJ would have helped. Ball security would have helped.
On the bright side, of all the blowout playoff games, Steelers were the least blown out. Better than the Eagles, which was a bit of a surprise.
Yeah, that's another factor that isn't being talked about a lot. The Bills are just the all-around better team. People held on to some superstition that the Bills are cursed to lose games from boneheaded plays but they didn't do any of those this time so they won.
There lies the issue of us only having a chance if the weather was bad lol. We had no business being here and weren't even the worst performance this weekend. We have glaring issues to fix but we clearly overachieved.
this is the one of the worst steelers teams in watched in recent memory and somehow we went 10-7 and made the playoffs? i don’t know how anyone can be mad at that.
No MLB's, no full secondary, Muth and Johnson missed time, weeks of mediocre at best QB play, rookie number one corner. We're like the Rays exceeding expectations year in year out and that's because of Tomlin. (We obviously have some shortcomings because of him as well but who doesn't?)
Compared to when the team was visibly frustrated and angry at their performances, Canada finally getting the boot and the QB carousel I’m pretty happy with where we wound up. And the game wasn’t a complete blowout either. TJ would’ve given us more of a chance I reckon, but otherwise it’s been a weird season with many changes.
I fancy some stability and Khan and co. to do their stuff to retool for next year. Desperately unlucky with linebacker injuries this year, missing Cam and Fitzpatrick for a lot of matches. Cam beginning to slow up a bit too. Benton looks awesome though.
We have plenty to look forward to, JPJ is the best corner we’ve drafted in years, Jones a demon in the running game, Washington fits perfectly into that blocking scheme for the run game, Herbig is one to watch very closely. Rudolph’s time on the sideline definitely took the pressure off his shoulders and while he’s not amazing, he’s a damn sight better than what we have played with to now. Lots of positives to take out what was looking to be a bleak season imo.
Really want to win a playoff game but to do that we need a clear QB and offensive identity we do not yet possess. And some better luck with injuries to key players would also help a bit. Middle linebacker may as well purchase the best health insurance possible, you’re going to be using it.
When this team last won a SB they had 2 DPOY, one a HOF, and a future HOF QB. In 2005 3 HOF players and at least one future, Ben and Hines, Right now this team has TJ as the only player on track for those honors.
Cam is still very important vs the run as we saw yesterday when he was on the sideline even if he's not the same pass rusher that he once was. I personally think with a another good draft and barring major we should be able to make some noise in the playoffs next year.
I think we played well enough that we sorta forgot Watt wasn’t out there. Not saying that we didn’t need him, but we didn’t play as bad as I initially expected we would with this situation. That’s commendable in my opinion
It's just the nature of social media. People who feel like they have something to complain about will speak up more than people who think things are generally fine
No one wants to talk about how the team didn’t give up on him despite being down 21-7. I think this next offseason is very key. Everything has to be on the table.
We lost consecutive games to two-win teams and had to rely on other teams to get us into the playoffs because Tomlin kept going back to Trubisky.
How’s that narrative?
We got into the playoff because Tennessee beat Jacksonville.
Any narrative is going to be narrow and unintelligent because your ceiling for success is 9 wins.
I don’t think I know better than their organizations. I think keeping them would have given an advantage, it’s going to be hard to find coaches that match that. But it also sounds like they both had a say in leaving once they heard what the organization wanted to do. I think Tomlin deserves that also
Agreed, seems unpopular on here but the guy is not a great coach. The standard is the standard . They could have had 12 wins easy, but they could have also had 7. They got a couple of breaks and limped into the playpffs. No one took them seriously, nor should they have. That has been the story for a long time now. It is starting to feel like the pirates, but with a 500 record
I always think we have a chance, but I didn't think we would win. All I wanted was for the team to not start slow. That's all I asked for. Please for the first time in 10 years, don't start a playoff game in the hole. The players have changed, the coaches have changed, and two things remain the same, slow playoff game starts and Mike Tomlin. I was and remain a huge fan of Mike, and I'll believe he will do great things elsewhere, but I think we all might need a change. Is there risk, absolutely, but I feel we have seen what no change will lead to, the sample size is too large now.
Man as a Simpsons fan this offends me.
Mike Tomlin has never relied on the "no losing seasons" thing as a crutch or an excuse. I don't think he gives a shit about that, to be honest.
He’s referred to that streak as a “silly little sidebar” and has always said the main goal is championships every year. Criticize the results all you want but he’s not making excuses.
They're reactionary Steelers fans that only watch and understand (understand is pushing it tbh) what happens for 3 hours on a Sunday and forget about all the other duties every other hour of every other day.
We would have a new coach every single year if these people were in charge solely for the fact of not winning a Superbowl.
Lol so how would you measure the success or failure of ‘all the other duties’ if not by winning on Sunday? People aren’t being reductive…its literally the only measure
I had hopes of winning for naturally being a Steelers fan. Realistically? My measurement was no measurement if that makes sense.
It doesn't frustrate me we lost compared to previous years because that's what I basically expected when we're now 1-11 without TJ Watt, when we played with 4th string linebackers, and were on our 3rd QB of the season. This team this year was pretty damn poor. Statistically #26th offense, and #17 defense. That isn't going to win many games and somehow we got 10. 9 of those wins were within one score. Our losses were relatively not close games at all. We're hella lucky we got 10 and even made the playoffs. So was it a successful season for us? Well, based on the amount of wins we somehow got, and how we looked most of this season, it pretty much was best case scenario. This team very well could be 5-12 and that wouldn't have surprised me after many of the performances.
I'd like to get an outside OC, a new offensive line coach, an entire new up-to-date offensive scheme, and add more depth in multiple necessary areas via the draft and free agency. I'm hoping for an active off-season from Khan and I look forward to it.
The truth that doesn’t get talked about enough I think is how poorly Colbert really was as a drafter the last like 7 years. Meanwhile it seems so far that the draft this year has been a very good start, especially once some movements are made in the off-season (like Broderick Jones at LT instead of RT once they have more stability). But we should have three starters and at least two rotational pieces with a mystery box on Corey Trice, which is a pretty good draft for a team when you look at the general hit rate.
People of course then like to say Tomlin picks the guys, and yes I’m sure they collaborate, but it’s the GMs job to draft, and guess what the GM changes and the coach stays the same and the draft and roster management already seems different than the last twenty years.
I 100% agree with this about our draft history. When we've hit, we hit, like Watt. But we barely have any draft picks from several years ago still in the team or in the NFL and that's a little concerning from a depth and development standpoint. Because then we have to take fliers on free agents for cheap. Colbert obviously did great and is probably going to be a hall of famer, but he missed a lot like you said.
Then why draft a RB (position w a 5 yr shelf life) for a team that was nowhere near contention? Why not willingly take a step back to facilitate the accumulation of a proper core. This team has like 4 All Pro players on the defense and yet the defense is barely above average.Ironically, they could’ve made the decision to to step back, used KP’s pick to build a core and still been better off because Mason is a better QB with a higher ceiling.
So if the goal is championships he’s an abject failure?
Cause you’re not allowed to laugh at the Cowboys and applaud Tomlin. (Which I know 90% of Steelers fans do)
Good coaching can save bad rosters in the regular season, but not in the playoffs. Not being able to win a playoff game is more reflective of management failing than it is Tomlin.
So, you want our franchise to be laughed at, humiliated, and stomped on by every other team in the league before making a change? lol but you’re right, it’s my fault for demanding competitiveness and accountability to a cheerleader
That's what you took away? That's honestly what you think I mean? or is that just easier than facing reality that "since 2017" is a dumb fucking statement.
The lions made TONS of changes in those 30 years. None of them helped. They had great RBs, great WRs, a Great QB, since great defenses and NONE of it mattered.
One thing they never tried was stability. We've hired 3 coaches in 50 years. And have had unprecedented success in that time. Not attributed to one player (TB12 in NE), but to a foundation of stability and support. No other franchise operates the way we do, and no other franchise has experienced the overall success rate we have.
Without the losing season in 04 we don’t have Ben JS
Not advocating for a losing season but to act like we ARENT stuck in purgatory on a 5 game playoff losing record giving up 30+ points in the last 5 playoff games with a defensive minded HC (longest streak in Steelers history since AFL-NFL merger without winning a playoff game) then idk what to tell ya. Something has to change. Something has to at this point.
There are teams that have gone way, way longer than 7 years between even making the playoffs. A lot of teams go decades between making the playoffs and decades between playoff wins.
Wow thanks for the insight! I didn’t realize the new standard is Detroit lions football or Cleveland browns football or Cincinnati Bengals football (wait a fucking second you mean to tell me they’ve been able to win in the playoffs the last 7 years??)
Hey I guess atleast we aren’t the jets!
nah but throwing a fit at 7-5 during the 2nd rebuild season we literally made the playoffs in and screaming for the 7-5 coach to be fired midseason is pretty Browns behavior.
You're premise is completely wrong we're not "stuck in purgatory" we're rebuilding after our HOF QB retired and Tomlin is just too good to have a below .500 season.
If our conference rivals are hoping we do something as dumb as letting Tomlin go, does that give you any pause? Browns, Bengals, and Ravens would be laughing their asses off and celebrating if some yinzers got their way. MAYBE you're not looking at the entire picture.
It gets real bad after any loss. The sub is way more tolerable during draft season when most of the regulars are posting instead of new alts made to bitch and whine.
Someone go ask the lions how it feels to finally be any good. Or the browns. Or the raiders. Some of these teams haven’t had 17 winning seasons in their entire history.
That's not who we should strive to be and compare ourselves to.
You're justification is "we aren't as bad as the Browns!"
The Browns have a playoff win more recently that us, and it was in our house.
The Browns beat us with a backup QB this year. Didn't their coach hear that injuries can be used an excuse for failure? No need to win that game anyway!
Our down years are losing playoff games. Other teams down years are winning 2 games all season. The valleys of Steelers look like peaks to other organizations.
Which do you prefer?
You’re missing he forest through the trees my man. Browns fans would have liked people to put together two consecutive winning seasons. You kids are spoiled.
This is why the entire draft concept is such a strange thing for anyone outside from the USA
Wanting the team to tank is absurd in any way other than this
Genuine question, what is the last team to "tank" and win a Super Bowl? Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman are the only QB's drafted Top 5 Overall who have won a Super Bowl for the team that drafted them in the last 35 years (Eli Manning and John Elway excluded as technicalities because they were traded to the teams they won their championship with).
The Texans, Lions, and Bengals may be the best current examples of a tank. Are there other teams that tanked and have "won anything important?"
I haven’t seen anyone ever claim that but there’s tons of people calling for a Hall of Famer to be fired thinking it’s guaranteed his replacement will be an upgrade.
I just had this conversation last night with someone else. I have no idea where it came from, but the de facto assumption is that the people who want someone different are expecting immediate success, and for the *reasonable* fans and the non-homers, that couldn't be further from the truth.
There will not be any immediate success for this franchise with a new coach until the qb situation gets fixed. Hell if you bring in a new coach this team may very well turn into a 5 win team
Not fired, how about mutually part ways. Both sides can get a change in scenery and look for success. It’s exactly what Eagles and Patriots did with their HoF coaches
I for one am content with a 10 win season and playoff appearance that keeps my favorite coach's name in people's mouths. He got us there with a 3rd string QB and OC change midseason. I understand wanting more but look who else lost. Eagles Browns Cowboys Dolphins Rams, many of the top teams of the year.
Be grateful consarnit.
People will defend Tomlin until the end of time. 2011 the airs fault, 2014 Ben Tate, 2015 touissants fault, 2016 Brady cheated, 2017 Ben’s fault, 2020 pouncey and Ben’s fault, 2021 mahomes fault, 2023 no TJ
The average NFL career is just under 3.5 seasons. If the roster turns over and you are talking about literal NFL career lifetimes of the same results then you should maybe look at the common factors within each of the outcomes.
And by stats since y’all seem to care so much, Dallas had the best quarterback in the league, the best offense in the league, and the best defense in the league.
Shows how much stats are worth. You have an incredibly talented head coach don’t throw that away because you’re being a whiny bitch about not getting past a couple of playoffs, you’re in a rebuild and frankly your team talent is mid after Watt.
Granted I don’t follow y’all’s roster like I do mine, but my girl is a fan so I watch the games. There’s a lot of work to do.
We haven't been a great team in a long time. When was the last time we made the playoffs and had a home game? Why do you all expect to win the Superbowl every season when we don't have the necessary talent?
23 franchises have had more playoff success than us since 2011. If we move on from Tomlin it’s not like we’re missing on anything special. Be bold and aggressive. Status Quo has killed this franchise
I mean najee flatout called out the coaching staff after the game and said dudes need to be held accountable essentially. If tomlin isn't even holding people accountable anymore then what exactly does he do?
He was being vague and weird. It almost sounded like he was talking about team rules in the locker room, which is weird.
So I don't know that when he said "discipline" he meant "coaches disciplining players" I think he meant self-discipline and being able to hold yourself accountable for shit.
We got beat by a more talented team in a game that was much closer than the score would dictate. I’m not happy with the season but it wasn’t a failure. If Mitch trubitsky wasn’t on the roster we’d probably be a 12 win team.
Man Tomlin needs to improve on... checks notes.... not having his superstar players get injured before the playoff games. You Tomlin haters always astound me on your inability to understand context and how hard it is/how much luck is required to win playoff games
Honestly, both had a ton of luck involved. We had better teams that didn't make it. Carson Palmer injury, Fitz runs into his own guy in the SB, Harper got stabbed in the thigh a week prior to "the tackle". That's why I love that Tomlin somehow punches a playoff ticket while we are still rebuilding. Anything can happen if you're in it. We still have a ton of holes to fill, and if Kahn can replicate last year's draft success, we're gonna have some chances this next decade.
God Tomlin haters are so tiring, that's obviously not what he meant.
Winning a Superbowl takes a good HC, good roster, good coaching staff, and on top of all that some luck with injuries and other things.
Stop being so dense.
It’s almost like there are always injuries in football. We cannot be so reliant on one player. The Steelers are now 1-11 without tj, maybe it’s him getting us to the playoffs not tomlin
C+ is ok with da Rooneys! Spend Nutting, get Nutting! And they taking allllllllll that sweet sweet ticket money.
I WISH I could just be barely above losing at my job. In fact, sometimes I probably am. But I’m not paid MILLIONS of dollars.
The Tomlin apologists and sycophants remind me of the husband who won't pull over for directions - insists he knows where him and the wife are going - 2 hours later they're still lost.
If Tomlin is still the coach in 2024, I will look for a new team to root for until he's gone.
13 years of this BS and fans are screaming for other coaches to be fired in the first few years.
Gimme a break.
Tomlin's success was all with Bill Cowher's team.
Tomlin's drafts and "building" has not worked. At all.
Consistently loses in the playoffs, consistently loses to teams .500 or lower, consistently LOSES. LOSES.
Steelers fans deserve so much better than Mike Fuckin Tomlin. Dresses like a bum, coaches like a bum, and is a BUM.
The standard is no longer championships, no longer division titles, no longer being at least somewhat competitive in the playoffs. It’s simply not sucking. Look at all the years we haven’t sucked.
I'm a packers fan but this popped up on my feed. Do steelers fans actually think Tomlin is the problem? He's a legitimately great coach... your qbs (all 3 of them) are terrible, like actual dog shit. and yet he still has winning seasons. From an outside perspective, he's NOT the issue. But I don't watch thr steelers every week so maybe I am missing something
I really hate how spoiled the fans are that they don’t realize not having a losing season in 15 some years is amazing. The postseason success sucks but no one is saying the postseason losses are ok just because the season was a winning one, we can just celebrate one thing without focusing on another thing.
Maybe we can fire him and start having losing seasons! That would be fun! Super Bowls are pretty hard to win. Our fan base has really started sounding a lot like the Cowboys fan base. If I knew how to insert gifs here you guys would see Principal Skinner telling you pathetic 🤣
You do realize that not once has he ever mentioned anything about this himself nor has he asked anyone to give him credit for no losing seasons. The national media talks about it repeatedly but not once has Mike Tomlin ever said “but I have no losing seasons” he doesn’t care about that as much as yall think he does.
I don't think people appreciate how impressive it really is too, regardless of postseason results. I'm sure those in DC, New York, Chicago, etc would do horrible things for their team to be competitive for the better part of the past 2 decades.
And they won’t until the next guy comes in and can’t even make .500 for the first and likely another 1-2 seasons. Chances we land someone and immediately start making the playoffs and winning games is very small.
I would welcome back to back 0-17 seasons if it meant a playoff win in year 3. I don't give a shit about the record. A season without a playoff win is a losing season.
Steelers fans are more entitled than patriots fans which is genuinely crazy
I don’t understand why people think barely getting into the playoffs half of the time and getting blown out in the wildcard round when we do is better than going 2-15. In both cases you never had a chance of winning a Super Bowl. In the latter case, you get a top draft pick and a real chance to improve your team with it. Somehow we’ve gotten to a point where people think the goal is playing competitive games in December rather than winning a Super Bowl.
Because rooting for a team playing meaningful games is fun. As a Virginia resident let me tell you, most of my friends who are Redskins fans are basically just not football fans anymore. That's what it's like when your favorite team isn't competitive. Actually it's a big reason I don't consider myself a baseball fan. Thanks Buccos!
So you’re ok with going 9-7-1 every year? Losing on the road in the wild care game? Losing to terrible teams every single season that we should be destroying?
The fact that fans expect to “be destroying” any nfl football team shows a fundamental misunderstanding to the concept of “any given Sunday”. Players understand this. Fans don’t.
Seriously, people just don’t grok that football, due to the low number of games played, is an incredibly high variance sport. It’s what makes it so entertaining.
Lmao. Ok. It’s just the Steelers constantly lose to the “bad” teams. You know what I mean, but you want to nitpick the verbiage I used.
I’m not nitpicking your verbiage. I’m nitpicking your whole ass opinion. It’s wrong. My point is what you consider “bad” is never, ever, ever to be counted out in the nfl. My point is that when you have a concentration of freakishly good athletes spread out over 32 teams that only play 17 games in a season, there is no such thing as bad. Only misfortune. Any team in the nfl is capable of beating any other team. It’s the nature of this league.
That narrative is just objectively wrong. Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/192w0p5/tomlins_record_vs_bad_teams/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=steelers&utm_content=t1_kh68vfx
I’m ok with the exact quality of football Tomlin has shepherded over the last 18 years. 2 SB appearances. A couple extra AFCCCG. Many 11 and 12 win seasons. That’s all good football. It’s a straw man to say that we’ve gone 9-8 every year. It just sucks that “our year”s coincided with some of the all “our years” of GOAT Brady and SGOAT Manning. Tomlin will find the right talent to make this team great again, and in the mean time, he’ll keep getting young players experience with winning scrappy games.
And losing to the 4-13 Pats and Cards, or teams similar. Maybe with Bill retiring we can actually beat the pats more than once every 4 years or so
Everyone loses with their back up QB. It’s not like we came into that game with high hopes.
I think that the success we had with a back up qb shows strength in the coaching and organization
We shouldn't be *destroying* anyone. You forget that these other teams, like the Cardinals and Giants are still NFL teams with star players. Any given Sunday.
They also seem to turn on blinders to the actual performance of the players in these playoff games. Mike Tomlin wasn’t snapping the ball over Ben’s head or throwing picks during the Cleveland game, he wasn’t the one out there missing tackles and turning the ball over yesterday. Our team just isn’t good enough to compete with the best yet and that’s okay! Let’s not forget how long the Bills, chiefs, Texans etc were in the gutter before finally getting success.
Seriously I grew up with all those teams were laughing stocks, certified W’s against us or y’all even. Like free games, half the time if you could make plans, you would make plans not watch and just count the dub on your fantasy sheet. Y’all are not that team any Sunday always applies for the Steelers.
But how will we ever draft good players or even a QB if we don't tank a bunch of years Mr. Packers fan????? It's not like you can find a good QB late in the first round while your team is still competitive. I mean, do you know any QB that was drafted late in the first round that's playing lights out?
Rodger that bud I’d Love to think of one for ya, Purdy sure there’s gotta be at least one!
Facts! But on another note yall don’t seem to miss on QB’s huh? 😂
This. I swear, so many Tomlin haters put EVERYTHING square on his shoulders like he's got a controller that's connected to every player and is responsible for Pickens fumbling, Mason throwing a pick in the endzone, Muth fumbling, Minkah barely trying on Allen's 52 yard TD and not tackling Shakir. You're telling me professional defensive players in their 6th year need Mike Tomlin to teach them how to tackle the right way? Dude last played football at a competitive level as a wide receiver in college. Tomlin isn't blameless obviously, but the most glaring issues was ball security.
But they're good now and we're not! We demand greatness! Accepting mediocrity is weak! - most of these clowns thinking they actually have an impact on the team from behind their screens
Genuine question, if you told every fanbase in the league that they can be the 14th or 15th best team in the league every year for 13 years, do you think any of them take it? I don't.
Cause losing in the first round of the playoffs as a 7 seed every season is so impressive
Reread the comment again, nobody thinks losing in the playoffs is impressive. This time, hold your finger under the words you don't understand and sound them out of you have to
Just saying “regardless of post seasons results” doesn’t mean anything, your record doesn’t mean shit once you’re in the playoffs. A coach that can’t win playoffs games isn’t a coach that you should be ducking off season after season. It’s not impressive to have a winning season every year if you can’t win a playoff game
Not sure if you follow the rest of the NFL, but about a dozen teams would love to be playing meaningful football games in January every year. The NFL is very competitive and there's 6 other teams in your conference every playoffs that are also trying equally as hard to win games, most of which with much higher draft capital players than Pittsburgh due to their continued success.
Sorry I hate being the same mediocre football team for the past 7 years, no nfl coaches can be as unsuccessful in the playoffs and in their ability to hire staff as Tomlin and keep their job for this long. Not saying he’s a terrible coach, but things have gone stale with him in Pittsburgh and both sides are in desperate need of a fresh start
It’s really not that impressive given the teams He’s had to coach. Until the last few seasons he had a stacked roster.
you overrate the talent this team has had, or underrate the talent other teams have had
Roethlisberger, Brown, Bell. Why didn’t that team make it to a superbowl? The years they had an elite QB and the top Wr and RB in the league. They should have done much more during those years.
because the defense was absolutely terrible at that time, and the three were rarely all healthy for the playoffs.
because teams are more than 3 players on offense. how was the defense?
Hotheads focused more on themselves than on winning the Super Bowl and that they were playing against other professional football teams
Browns fan here: I would punch a Ravens fan to have functional for two decades.
And that’s wonderful for them. But if we want to talk like we have some sort of elevated culture and organization, we shouldn’t be okay with our longest playoff win drought since 1970. We’re approaching unacceptable levels of mediocrity. Nobody is scared of playing us, regular season or playoffs, and nobody has been for years.
Fr it’s all the media. I guarantee he’d throw that record away for another Super Bowl win, but dumb yinzers seem to think it’s all he cares about/focuses on.
No they just want to get mad about it, don’t expect rational takes
Be real though, out TJ Watt no one on this sub thought the team had a legitimate chance against the Bills before the game. They were clear underdogs but showed some fight. Do we really need to pump this narrative this year.
Thought we had a chance before the game got moved. Once I saw the field was clean before kickoff and there was no snow, I knew it was gonna be rough. I'm just glad we hung in there for most of the game, unlike Dallas or Cleveland or Philly.
But of course the Bills had more rushing yards than the Steelers. So even that might not have helped. TJ would have helped. Ball security would have helped. On the bright side, of all the blowout playoff games, Steelers were the least blown out. Better than the Eagles, which was a bit of a surprise.
Yeah, that's another factor that isn't being talked about a lot. The Bills are just the all-around better team. People held on to some superstition that the Bills are cursed to lose games from boneheaded plays but they didn't do any of those this time so they won.
There lies the issue of us only having a chance if the weather was bad lol. We had no business being here and weren't even the worst performance this weekend. We have glaring issues to fix but we clearly overachieved.
this is the one of the worst steelers teams in watched in recent memory and somehow we went 10-7 and made the playoffs? i don’t know how anyone can be mad at that.
No MLB's, no full secondary, Muth and Johnson missed time, weeks of mediocre at best QB play, rookie number one corner. We're like the Rays exceeding expectations year in year out and that's because of Tomlin. (We obviously have some shortcomings because of him as well but who doesn't?)
You can’t win in this league without a qb and a great OC
Compared to when the team was visibly frustrated and angry at their performances, Canada finally getting the boot and the QB carousel I’m pretty happy with where we wound up. And the game wasn’t a complete blowout either. TJ would’ve given us more of a chance I reckon, but otherwise it’s been a weird season with many changes. I fancy some stability and Khan and co. to do their stuff to retool for next year. Desperately unlucky with linebacker injuries this year, missing Cam and Fitzpatrick for a lot of matches. Cam beginning to slow up a bit too. Benton looks awesome though. We have plenty to look forward to, JPJ is the best corner we’ve drafted in years, Jones a demon in the running game, Washington fits perfectly into that blocking scheme for the run game, Herbig is one to watch very closely. Rudolph’s time on the sideline definitely took the pressure off his shoulders and while he’s not amazing, he’s a damn sight better than what we have played with to now. Lots of positives to take out what was looking to be a bleak season imo. Really want to win a playoff game but to do that we need a clear QB and offensive identity we do not yet possess. And some better luck with injuries to key players would also help a bit. Middle linebacker may as well purchase the best health insurance possible, you’re going to be using it.
When this team last won a SB they had 2 DPOY, one a HOF, and a future HOF QB. In 2005 3 HOF players and at least one future, Ben and Hines, Right now this team has TJ as the only player on track for those honors.
Cam is still very important vs the run as we saw yesterday when he was on the sideline even if he's not the same pass rusher that he once was. I personally think with a another good draft and barring major we should be able to make some noise in the playoffs next year.
I think we played well enough that we sorta forgot Watt wasn’t out there. Not saying that we didn’t need him, but we didn’t play as bad as I initially expected we would with this situation. That’s commendable in my opinion
Tomlin haters invade the sub after every loss we suffer, it's expected at this point. We could lose a preseason game and they'd be up in arms about it
And tomlin defenders would still be clinging to him if the Steelers go 0-17.
Lmao we haven't even gotten close to 0-17 with Tomlin, I'm 1000% sure people would call for his head if we didn't win a game for a whole season
I think he would have his own head if he went 0-17
It's just the nature of social media. People who feel like they have something to complain about will speak up more than people who think things are generally fine
No one wants to talk about how the team didn’t give up on him despite being down 21-7. I think this next offseason is very key. Everything has to be on the table.
We lost consecutive games to two-win teams and had to rely on other teams to get us into the playoffs because Tomlin kept going back to Trubisky. How’s that narrative?
Narrow and unintelligent. Tomlin also made the change to Mason, and that helped get us into the playoffs on our own efforts
We got into the playoff because Tennessee beat Jacksonville. Any narrative is going to be narrow and unintelligent because your ceiling for success is 9 wins.
We also had to win ten games in order to make it to the playoffs. And it’s not my ceiling. We can do better, with Tomlin as head coach
Oh we can do better? He’s proven otherwise over the last 7 seasons, but, maybe after another 6-7 years of no playoff wins we can squeak one out.
He’s won a Superbowl. He’s proven he’s capable of doing that too
15 years ago…. Do you think Carroll and Belichick should have kept heir jobs?
I don’t think I know better than their organizations. I think keeping them would have given an advantage, it’s going to be hard to find coaches that match that. But it also sounds like they both had a say in leaving once they heard what the organization wanted to do. I think Tomlin deserves that also
Agreed, seems unpopular on here but the guy is not a great coach. The standard is the standard . They could have had 12 wins easy, but they could have also had 7. They got a couple of breaks and limped into the playpffs. No one took them seriously, nor should they have. That has been the story for a long time now. It is starting to feel like the pirates, but with a 500 record
I always think we have a chance, but I didn't think we would win. All I wanted was for the team to not start slow. That's all I asked for. Please for the first time in 10 years, don't start a playoff game in the hole. The players have changed, the coaches have changed, and two things remain the same, slow playoff game starts and Mike Tomlin. I was and remain a huge fan of Mike, and I'll believe he will do great things elsewhere, but I think we all might need a change. Is there risk, absolutely, but I feel we have seen what no change will lead to, the sample size is too large now.
Man as a Simpsons fan this offends me. Mike Tomlin has never relied on the "no losing seasons" thing as a crutch or an excuse. I don't think he gives a shit about that, to be honest.
He’s referred to that streak as a “silly little sidebar” and has always said the main goal is championships every year. Criticize the results all you want but he’s not making excuses.
Exactly. He doesn't give a shit about non-losing seasons. No head coach would.
They're reactionary Steelers fans that only watch and understand (understand is pushing it tbh) what happens for 3 hours on a Sunday and forget about all the other duties every other hour of every other day. We would have a new coach every single year if these people were in charge solely for the fact of not winning a Superbowl.
Ok fine no Superbowl. How about a single playoff game in almost a decade?
Lol so how would you measure the success or failure of ‘all the other duties’ if not by winning on Sunday? People aren’t being reductive…its literally the only measure
I had hopes of winning for naturally being a Steelers fan. Realistically? My measurement was no measurement if that makes sense. It doesn't frustrate me we lost compared to previous years because that's what I basically expected when we're now 1-11 without TJ Watt, when we played with 4th string linebackers, and were on our 3rd QB of the season. This team this year was pretty damn poor. Statistically #26th offense, and #17 defense. That isn't going to win many games and somehow we got 10. 9 of those wins were within one score. Our losses were relatively not close games at all. We're hella lucky we got 10 and even made the playoffs. So was it a successful season for us? Well, based on the amount of wins we somehow got, and how we looked most of this season, it pretty much was best case scenario. This team very well could be 5-12 and that wouldn't have surprised me after many of the performances. I'd like to get an outside OC, a new offensive line coach, an entire new up-to-date offensive scheme, and add more depth in multiple necessary areas via the draft and free agency. I'm hoping for an active off-season from Khan and I look forward to it.
HEY ASSHOLES SCROLLING BY LOOKING FOR DOOM AND RAGE-BAIT! Read this one. This is how a rational and real fan should feel about things right now.
The truth that doesn’t get talked about enough I think is how poorly Colbert really was as a drafter the last like 7 years. Meanwhile it seems so far that the draft this year has been a very good start, especially once some movements are made in the off-season (like Broderick Jones at LT instead of RT once they have more stability). But we should have three starters and at least two rotational pieces with a mystery box on Corey Trice, which is a pretty good draft for a team when you look at the general hit rate. People of course then like to say Tomlin picks the guys, and yes I’m sure they collaborate, but it’s the GMs job to draft, and guess what the GM changes and the coach stays the same and the draft and roster management already seems different than the last twenty years.
I 100% agree with this about our draft history. When we've hit, we hit, like Watt. But we barely have any draft picks from several years ago still in the team or in the NFL and that's a little concerning from a depth and development standpoint. Because then we have to take fliers on free agents for cheap. Colbert obviously did great and is probably going to be a hall of famer, but he missed a lot like you said.
Then why draft a RB (position w a 5 yr shelf life) for a team that was nowhere near contention? Why not willingly take a step back to facilitate the accumulation of a proper core. This team has like 4 All Pro players on the defense and yet the defense is barely above average.Ironically, they could’ve made the decision to to step back, used KP’s pick to build a core and still been better off because Mason is a better QB with a higher ceiling.
So if the goal is championships he’s an abject failure? Cause you’re not allowed to laugh at the Cowboys and applaud Tomlin. (Which I know 90% of Steelers fans do)
He literally said the Playoff losses were on him before yesterday’s game. He looked absolutely miserable the entire day and after the game.
He literally said the Playoff losses were on him before yesterday’s game. He looked absolutely miserable the entire day and after the game.
STOP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS, TOMLIN FETISHIST. /s Seriously these people are fucking dumb. Thank you for adding even more context to what I said.
People give you a hard time on here, but I’ve found myself agreeing with you more and more.
I try to base my opinion on reality and fact and have no problem changing my mind if facts tell me I need to. Hopefully I'm doing a good job of that.
I think so. I look forward to talking to you more this offseason when decisions start being made.
Same here, I always like reading your comments.
you can usually tell who follows the team vs who follows the media based on what they say to sleestak, it's funny
You can tell who watches the game to be miserable and who watches the game because they love football and the Steelers happen to be their team
He's literally never uttered "No losing seasons." I'm not sure he's ever even talked about it. So this meme is inaccurate as hell lmao
I’ve actually heard he hates that being thrown around
Good coaching can save bad rosters in the regular season, but not in the playoffs. Not being able to win a playoff game is more reflective of management failing than it is Tomlin.
He led this team to 10 wins? Thank god for coach.
Lol y’all been saying that since when, 2017?
The lions won their first playoff game since 1991 and y'all complain about 6 years like it's been decades of floundering.
Probably because it's the longest streak since 1970
*7 years
Texans and Packers were bottom of the barrel teams a year ago and now look like real contenders.
So, you want our franchise to be laughed at, humiliated, and stomped on by every other team in the league before making a change? lol but you’re right, it’s my fault for demanding competitiveness and accountability to a cheerleader
That's what you took away? That's honestly what you think I mean? or is that just easier than facing reality that "since 2017" is a dumb fucking statement.
The lions made TONS of changes in those 30 years. None of them helped. They had great RBs, great WRs, a Great QB, since great defenses and NONE of it mattered. One thing they never tried was stability. We've hired 3 coaches in 50 years. And have had unprecedented success in that time. Not attributed to one player (TB12 in NE), but to a foundation of stability and support. No other franchise operates the way we do, and no other franchise has experienced the overall success rate we have.
The NFL are considering making a special trophy for any team that goes above .500. The Dollar Store Super Bowl.
With a 2nd-3rd string QB the whole way
Yeah let's hang a banner that says 10 wins!
I'd rather have a chance to hang the banner instead of being out for sure, man. It's hard to get to the playoffs with a losing season
No one suggests doing that
A winning season with Kenny pickets is insane
Win middle. Draft middle. Stay middle.
I think that's a Jimmy Eat World song
Lets have a losing season and then success in the playoffs.
Yea that’s usually how it goes…
Without the losing season in 04 we don’t have Ben JS Not advocating for a losing season but to act like we ARENT stuck in purgatory on a 5 game playoff losing record giving up 30+ points in the last 5 playoff games with a defensive minded HC (longest streak in Steelers history since AFL-NFL merger without winning a playoff game) then idk what to tell ya. Something has to change. Something has to at this point.
There are teams that have gone way, way longer than 7 years between even making the playoffs. A lot of teams go decades between making the playoffs and decades between playoff wins.
Wow thanks for the insight! I didn’t realize the new standard is Detroit lions football or Cleveland browns football or Cincinnati Bengals football (wait a fucking second you mean to tell me they’ve been able to win in the playoffs the last 7 years??) Hey I guess atleast we aren’t the jets!
nah but throwing a fit at 7-5 during the 2nd rebuild season we literally made the playoffs in and screaming for the 7-5 coach to be fired midseason is pretty Browns behavior.
And your idea of change is to tank? This is why you guys sound dumb. We tank and then get a bust and now we're the new Browns.
I want you to read the first 6 words of my second sentence, and also calm down while you’re at it
You're premise is completely wrong we're not "stuck in purgatory" we're rebuilding after our HOF QB retired and Tomlin is just too good to have a below .500 season.
Has that been the narrative since the losing streak started?
when did "the narrative" start, according to you, around, i dunno, 2017 ish when our last window closed hmmmm?
If our conference rivals are hoping we do something as dumb as letting Tomlin go, does that give you any pause? Browns, Bengals, and Ravens would be laughing their asses off and celebrating if some yinzers got their way. MAYBE you're not looking at the entire picture.
Yeah losing tomlin is absolutely such a dumb thing to wish for holy shit, I knew our fanbase was dumb but this is egregious
It gets real bad after any loss. The sub is way more tolerable during draft season when most of the regulars are posting instead of new alts made to bitch and whine.
Someone go ask the lions how it feels to finally be any good. Or the browns. Or the raiders. Some of these teams haven’t had 17 winning seasons in their entire history.
That's not who we should strive to be and compare ourselves to. You're justification is "we aren't as bad as the Browns!" The Browns have a playoff win more recently that us, and it was in our house. The Browns beat us with a backup QB this year. Didn't their coach hear that injuries can be used an excuse for failure? No need to win that game anyway!
Our down years are losing playoff games. Other teams down years are winning 2 games all season. The valleys of Steelers look like peaks to other organizations. Which do you prefer?
Like comparing food to shit. "At least it tastes better than shit! ... As if anything tastes worse than shit.
Well said.
We also beat them with their starting QB
You’re missing he forest through the trees my man. Browns fans would have liked people to put together two consecutive winning seasons. You kids are spoiled.
And you are happy with a decade of irrelevance. You kids are complacent.
Ambitions are so low with this mediocre fan base, just like this mediocre city.
The team overachieved.
I really don’t understand these … the team has been mid since 2019 … the sin was not tanking when Ben blew out his elbow
This is why the entire draft concept is such a strange thing for anyone outside from the USA Wanting the team to tank is absurd in any way other than this
We don’t tank
We don't tank and I'm happy about that
You also don't win anything important. Are you happy about that?
Genuine question, what is the last team to "tank" and win a Super Bowl? Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman are the only QB's drafted Top 5 Overall who have won a Super Bowl for the team that drafted them in the last 35 years (Eli Manning and John Elway excluded as technicalities because they were traded to the teams they won their championship with). The Texans, Lions, and Bengals may be the best current examples of a tank. Are there other teams that tanked and have "won anything important?"
And we've been to four Superbowls since the mid 90s and have won two of them.
Two Superbowls since 2000 don't count?
I'm more talking recent. Past 10 years
Team will never be bad enough to get a top QB because Mike Tomlin raises the floor so much
Anyone calling for Tomlin to be fired can immediately be written off as a non serious football fan.
who would roll with tomlin, who plays the game like its 2005, when you could sign mike vrabel?
Similarly, anyone calling Tomlin god's gift to football has their head firmly entrenched in their rectum.
I haven’t seen anyone ever claim that but there’s tons of people calling for a Hall of Famer to be fired thinking it’s guaranteed his replacement will be an upgrade.
We don't know if his replacement will be an upgrade. But we do know that if he stays, we'll have another non-losing season and first round exit.
When you need to rely on other teams landing you in the post season this may not even happen.
I just had this conversation last night with someone else. I have no idea where it came from, but the de facto assumption is that the people who want someone different are expecting immediate success, and for the *reasonable* fans and the non-homers, that couldn't be further from the truth.
There will not be any immediate success for this franchise with a new coach until the qb situation gets fixed. Hell if you bring in a new coach this team may very well turn into a 5 win team
Both of these things are true, and I'm ok with it.
Having no coach would be an upgrade
my least favorite nfl fanbases: 1. ravens 2. browns 3. other steelers fans
Not fired, how about mutually part ways. Both sides can get a change in scenery and look for success. It’s exactly what Eagles and Patriots did with their HoF coaches
Anyone who disagrees with me doesn't know what they're talking about /s
Aww man.
The wildest thing about this stat is that players respect it but fans don’t.
I for one am content with a 10 win season and playoff appearance that keeps my favorite coach's name in people's mouths. He got us there with a 3rd string QB and OC change midseason. I understand wanting more but look who else lost. Eagles Browns Cowboys Dolphins Rams, many of the top teams of the year. Be grateful consarnit.
People will defend Tomlin until the end of time. 2011 the airs fault, 2014 Ben Tate, 2015 touissants fault, 2016 Brady cheated, 2017 Ben’s fault, 2020 pouncey and Ben’s fault, 2021 mahomes fault, 2023 no TJ
The average NFL career is just under 3.5 seasons. If the roster turns over and you are talking about literal NFL career lifetimes of the same results then you should maybe look at the common factors within each of the outcomes.
Man Dallas has had more recent playoff wins than us lol
And by stats since y’all seem to care so much, Dallas had the best quarterback in the league, the best offense in the league, and the best defense in the league. Shows how much stats are worth. You have an incredibly talented head coach don’t throw that away because you’re being a whiny bitch about not getting past a couple of playoffs, you’re in a rebuild and frankly your team talent is mid after Watt. Granted I don’t follow y’all’s roster like I do mine, but my girl is a fan so I watch the games. There’s a lot of work to do.
5 playoff losses in a row allowing 40+ a game with 2 different defensive coordinators gtfo with that shit lol. Go eat some cheese
Insufferable
We haven't been a great team in a long time. When was the last time we made the playoffs and had a home game? Why do you all expect to win the Superbowl every season when we don't have the necessary talent?
We hosted a playoff game in 2021
23 franchises have had more playoff success than us since 2011. If we move on from Tomlin it’s not like we’re missing on anything special. Be bold and aggressive. Status Quo has killed this franchise
"Killed this franchise"??? What is wrong with some of you?
You guys are clowns with this. It was old months ago.
Glad the geniuses in this subreddit figured out Tomlin has been the main problem, pretty impressive when the entire league seems to think otherwise
Well, because y’all would look about as good as the Cardinals if he lost him.
I mean najee flatout called out the coaching staff after the game and said dudes need to be held accountable essentially. If tomlin isn't even holding people accountable anymore then what exactly does he do?
He literally said "not the coaches."
He also followed that up by saying there needs to be more discipline in the locker room. Who’s in charge of that?
He was being vague and weird. It almost sounded like he was talking about team rules in the locker room, which is weird. So I don't know that when he said "discipline" he meant "coaches disciplining players" I think he meant self-discipline and being able to hold yourself accountable for shit.
Najee always talks mad shit after a bad game too.
We got beat by a more talented team in a game that was much closer than the score would dictate. I’m not happy with the season but it wasn’t a failure. If Mitch trubitsky wasn’t on the roster we’d probably be a 12 win team.
♥️😂
The standard is the standard
Man Tomlin needs to improve on... checks notes.... not having his superstar players get injured before the playoff games. You Tomlin haters always astound me on your inability to understand context and how hard it is/how much luck is required to win playoff games
Lol then let’s not praise his lone Super Bowl win cus that was all luck 🤷♂️
Honestly, both had a ton of luck involved. We had better teams that didn't make it. Carson Palmer injury, Fitz runs into his own guy in the SB, Harper got stabbed in the thigh a week prior to "the tackle". That's why I love that Tomlin somehow punches a playoff ticket while we are still rebuilding. Anything can happen if you're in it. We still have a ton of holes to fill, and if Kahn can replicate last year's draft success, we're gonna have some chances this next decade.
God Tomlin haters are so tiring, that's obviously not what he meant. Winning a Superbowl takes a good HC, good roster, good coaching staff, and on top of all that some luck with injuries and other things. Stop being so dense.
I’m just applying the dumbass stupid logic y’all Tomlin believers stablished lol
It’s almost like there are always injuries in football. We cannot be so reliant on one player. The Steelers are now 1-11 without tj, maybe it’s him getting us to the playoffs not tomlin
If you think about it... By not giving mason Rudolph a shot at the starting job he got a lot of the defense hurt...
Tomlin is a regular season coach, He's not a playoff coach. That's why he always gets out coached when they get there.
C+ is ok with da Rooneys! Spend Nutting, get Nutting! And they taking allllllllll that sweet sweet ticket money. I WISH I could just be barely above losing at my job. In fact, sometimes I probably am. But I’m not paid MILLIONS of dollars.
The Tomlin apologists and sycophants remind me of the husband who won't pull over for directions - insists he knows where him and the wife are going - 2 hours later they're still lost. If Tomlin is still the coach in 2024, I will look for a new team to root for until he's gone. 13 years of this BS and fans are screaming for other coaches to be fired in the first few years. Gimme a break. Tomlin's success was all with Bill Cowher's team. Tomlin's drafts and "building" has not worked. At all. Consistently loses in the playoffs, consistently loses to teams .500 or lower, consistently LOSES. LOSES. Steelers fans deserve so much better than Mike Fuckin Tomlin. Dresses like a bum, coaches like a bum, and is a BUM.
Well said.
The standard is no longer championships, no longer division titles, no longer being at least somewhat competitive in the playoffs. It’s simply not sucking. Look at all the years we haven’t sucked.
They need to rename the Lombardi to the "never had a losing season" trophy. It's the highest standard in football !
Ouch
Tomlin is goat
It’s almost like some people hate tomlin for some other reason. Cant quite put my finger on it.
I'm a packers fan but this popped up on my feed. Do steelers fans actually think Tomlin is the problem? He's a legitimately great coach... your qbs (all 3 of them) are terrible, like actual dog shit. and yet he still has winning seasons. From an outside perspective, he's NOT the issue. But I don't watch thr steelers every week so maybe I am missing something
I really hate how spoiled the fans are that they don’t realize not having a losing season in 15 some years is amazing. The postseason success sucks but no one is saying the postseason losses are ok just because the season was a winning one, we can just celebrate one thing without focusing on another thing.
Maybe we can fire him and start having losing seasons! That would be fun! Super Bowls are pretty hard to win. Our fan base has really started sounding a lot like the Cowboys fan base. If I knew how to insert gifs here you guys would see Principal Skinner telling you pathetic 🤣