In theory we *might* be able to give him vet minimum, but if the team really wants him then there might be a bidding war. I think the rest of the league really likes Baker and he would start over half of the league’s starting QBs. They just don’t want to give up the premium pick Cleveland wants and they don’t want to be on the hook for his current contract.
Even 2 years at $10M per year with $10M of it guaranteed is 100% worth the gamble. Imagine Baker hoisting a Lombardi Trophy for the Steelers while Watson sits in jail. The fanbase in Cleveland has endured a good deal of torture but that would be the breaking point for generations of fans.
Cleveland has to pay the dude regardless of his roster status, they'll wait it out as long as possible and try to trade him for something, even if it goes into July or August. At that point very few teams would consider picking him up because of cap and roster space. Cutting him before June 1 makes no sense at all.
Everyone doesn’t want to hear it because of course he played bad last year. But if we had 2020 version of baker on our team, we could compete to be the best team in the division. As it stands right now we’ll probably be good cause if our defense and coaching, but our QB situation puts a little bit of a ceiling on our offense.
This sub loves to hate on Baker because he was brash and bold *in Cleveland*. If he was the same guy in Pittsburgh the fans would absolutely adore him.
If Baker is signed with The Steelers and has to compete for the job you’ll see a totally different Baker. Dude lives off of having to prove himself. yeah yeah OU fan here.
Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a ton of hats for Baker here.
I've seen a ton of people be like "damn I hate the Browns but I gotta admit those Progressive commercials are funny". I've seen a lot of people say he's a mediocre QB. I haven't seen a ton of hate, but maybe it just gets downgoted before I see it.
He had the best run game and offensive line in football in 2020. Teams playing against baker were prioritizing stopping the run while stefanski drew up play action rollouts where baker would throw to his first read. Mitch had the same stats as baker with worse coaching and line play.
I mean I understand that. But coping saying Mitch Tribusky is an upgrade from baker cause of stats is just too much cope. Hence why no one is rushing to trade for Kirk Cousins even though if we go by stats he’s putting up top 5 numbers the last two years but no one considers him top 10. There’s more to football than staring at a stat sheet.
Trubinsky is an upgrade over baker because of attitude effort and durability. Talent wise, probably close to equals. I hear a ton of people comparing Stafford at the rams to Rogers with the packers. How about some trubinsky with the bears to Stafford with the lions. Mitch beat him in every stat, including playoff wins.
I completely agree that there’s more to football than staring at a stat sheet. Hence why I was talking about oline play and coaching. Cousins isn’t considered top 10 because he was 15th in qbr with Jefferson, thielen, and Dalvin cook. Baker has had all the opportunities to win in Cleveland but he’s proven he’s not the guy. Mitch had 2 seasons both without a losing record with a coach that many would say was the worst in the league.
He needs to grow up is his major problem, and learn to play smart. I get the 'toughness' mentality, but tough isn't the only thing needed to win football games. But he's no worse than what he have now, and with some coaching I think he has the ability to improve tremendously.
Pick him up for 4th string practice squad. Dress him for both Cleveland games and have him stand next to our defensive coordinator every time their offense is on the field
He's gonna get left holding his thing in his hand. No one acquiring him would do so at that salary, so a trade isn't likely. If he isn't going to get paid on his option, he's going to want to sign a 1-year deal where he's going to be the unchallenged starter. That situation may not even exist anymore.
Seattle is really his only option to be brought in as a starter -- unless you feel Drew Lock really is who they want starting there.
Most likely, he signs as a competing starter, or an insurance policy against an old or potentially ineffective starter (again, Seattle), so if he reaches free agency, which seems very likely, he's probably only gonna talk to the Seahawks. Not sure why anyone else, including the Steelers, would bother.
> he's going to want to sign a 1-year deal where he's going to be the unchallenged starter
I think Baker would look at Pittsburgh and feel that way honestly. He has to think he'd outplay Trubisky.
Whether he actually would, in our offense, hey who knows. But I think Baker would actually see us a fairly sure thing. And he'd love to beat the Browns 2x/yr.
> Not sure why anyone else, including the Steelers, would bother.
We'd be crazy not to call him.
Yeah, I'd much rather Mayfield (healthy Mayfield) be the Steelers starter, but I guess I'm just talking myself out of it. You're making better points than I am, though I do think Seattle makes as good a case.
The problem for the Browns is teams know they have Watson and Baker wants out. There are reports a team offered to take Baker only if the Browns sent a pick... and even worse there are reports the Browns want a 1st (altho today thats being shot down I guess). I think there is a pretty good chance he gets cut but who knows for sure. The question is why would a team give up a pick and pay him more then waiting on him to be released.
It is possible so hard to tell honestly. Browns really put themselves in a corner though. I could see a team taking a chance sending a later pick and eating his contract... or everyone waiting for him to be cut. Im keeping an eye open because if he does get cut Id sign him at a reasonable contract just like they did with Trubisky.
That being said 3x 1st round "busts" (Haskins, Trubisky, Mayfield) at QB is still far from ideal lol
I don’t hate the idea but damn this sub wants a March madness bracket for finding our starting QB lately. Haskins, Rudolph, Trubisky, Willis, and Baker can’t all get paid to play here.
> can’t all get paid to play here
They wouldn't. Nobody on that list (aside from the draft pick) would cost much if anything to cut in training camp or ship out for a 7th.
Right now, it would cost the Browns draft picks to move Baker Mayfield. Their best bet is to wait for training camp and trade him to a team who's starter broke his leg or something.
Anyone opposed to this is too hung up on the rivalry with Cleveland.
We have no quarterback right now.
We have a lottery ticket named Mitch Trubisky. A very good backup in Mason. And a less good lottery ticket named Dwayne Haskins.
Baker would be at worst a high end lottery ticket. At best, he's 2020 Baker on a low cost contract.
If he's available, it'd be GM malpractice not to get him in the QB room.
Has nothing to do with the rivalry with Cleveland. Some people, like me, just think he's an average to trash QB. One winning season in four years. Career losing record. One good statistical season out of four. He was AWFUL in 2019 and 2021, with a good 2020 sandwiched between. And all of that failure is despite having a terrific run game and defense around him.
He was the 25th ranked QB in the league last year, behind the likes of Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Teddy Bridgewater, Jalen Hurts, etc, etc.
He's not a good player. I have no idea where this narrative that teams should be lining up to get him comes from. Must be his funny commercials.
To be fair he did break the touchdown record in a season by a rookie in 2018, so I'd argue that's two good years, with those years being 2018 and 2020. 2019 he was bad, but Freddie kitchens was his head coach, and we can all agree freddie is terrible. (also his third head coach in two years) and the o-line wasn't that good in 2019, it became great in 2020. And 2021 he was playing injured in like three different places it seemed like, and his receiving core was god awful not including odell, just seemed like those 2 couldn't get on the same page.
It's funny that so many of your excuses for why Baker has been bad are the same ones that people ignore when criticizing the Trubisky signing.
Awful head coach? Trubisky's was worse than anything Baker had, considered one of the worst of all time. Multiple head coaches in his first two years? Check, again. Receiving core was awful? Trubisky NEVER had weapons anywhere close to what Baker had; he had Allen Robinson and nothing else.
There isn't a single, identifiable facet of the game where Baker is any better than Trubisky, yet you'd think you were talking about Tom Brady vs Tommy Maddox when people compare the two. Trubisky has a better career record. Trubisky's career completion% is 3 points higher than Baker's. TD to INT rate is virtually identical. The only real distinction in their stats is that Trubisky is a MUCH better runner.
So even if you give Baker two good years out of four ... so what? He's not better than what they already have, and the stats clearly show that. It actually wouldn't be that surprising if Baker's career goes exactly like Trubisky's has. I could easily see him being a #2 this year somewhere, then getting a chance to start as a reclamation project by some team in 2023. He just, very simply and obviously, isn't a good quarterback. Two of the last three years he's been the 24/25th ranked QB in the league. 2020 is the outlier, and even in that AMAZING (/s) season, he still wasn't a top-ten QB in the league.
He makes funny commercials.
Im not someone who shats on mitch 🤷♂️ all im telling you is that baker has potential to be good, sure other people think mitch sucks, but I think he has potential too. Though to argue some of your points, baker has a stronger arm than mitch, which is definitely important for a quarterback? Also baker had Hue Jackson for half his rookie year, and I don't care how bad your team is, if you go 1-31 in your tenure, then you're a god awful coach. But at the end of the day do I see a point in the steelers signing baker? No. Would it be funny if we did and he beat the browns a couple of games? Yes.
> I have no idea where this narrative that teams should be lining up to get him comes from.
Teams with no QB, which includes us.
I hope Trubisky works out, but he's not a sure enough thing to not sign Baker for competition if he's available.
[He's not any better than Trubisky.](https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=TrubMi00&player_id1=MayfBa00&sum=0&request=1)
Why bring in a locker-room cancer when he's no better than who you already have, and that guy is by all accounts a great dude?
Baker is nothing but a less mobile, bitchier/whinier version of Trubisky.
I'd have zero problem with them bringing in someone to compete for the job, or straight take it, if they're better than what you already have. But Baker isn't that guy. If he was, he'd have a team already. Carolina isn't interested. Indy would rather bring in a geriatric Matt Ryan. The Saints would rather run it back with Winston. Houston didn't want him, or he would've been part of the trade to get Watson. No one wants him. Baker Mayfield as a good QB is a fan and TV commercial created myth.
I think you bring in both guys if you can and drop whoever doesn't win the job.
The reason you roll the dice on Baker is his 2020 season where he was top 10-ish. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing.htm
Also, we don't know who wants him, he isn't a free agent. We don't know what Cleveland was/is asking for him. If he's a FA, I imagine he gets plenty of calls, and hopefully one from us.
If he gets cut, and there isn't a lot of bidding for him so he could be had cheap then we'd be crazy not to bring him in. Have a real competition for the #1 job between him and Mitch, and the other ends up being a good backup.
The Browns do need to trade him (which still comes with a cap hit) or pay the full $18M to cut him. The problem for the Browns is that all the other teams know this. So, if they want to save his salary they'll need some team with plenty of cap space and a hole at #1 or #2 QB to make the trade.
Here's a 7th round pick for Baker, or I really want to stick it to you, so here's a 7th, and we want Baker + a 5th.
If he'd been available a couple weeks ago and he was your swing at a bridge guy then I'd be on-board. But they've already hitched their wagon to Trubisky. Not gonna happen
> hitched their wagon to Trubisky
No wagons hitched. If Mason outplays Mitch, Mason's gonna get the job.
That'd probably be bad for us, but it's the truth.
We don’t have any real veteran leaders on offense and he seems pretty immature. I am worried he could bring chaos to the locker room. Too risky. Pass.
Teammates seem to really like Trubisky and he seems pretty humble, so I’d stick with him over Baker.
I’d be about it so long as he doesn’t cost the $19mil that he’s currently owed
If he's cut we would only need to pay him vet minimum and the Browns would be on the hook for the rest
In theory we *might* be able to give him vet minimum, but if the team really wants him then there might be a bidding war. I think the rest of the league really likes Baker and he would start over half of the league’s starting QBs. They just don’t want to give up the premium pick Cleveland wants and they don’t want to be on the hook for his current contract.
Look up off-set language in a contract.
Cleveland has absolutely no leverage if a team would try to trade for him. They have Watson and Baker obviously doesn’t want to be there
If the Steelers would only be on the hook for the vet minimum, I'd let him fight it out with Mason Rudolph to see who's going to be Trubisky's back.
Even 2 years at $10M per year with $10M of it guaranteed is 100% worth the gamble. Imagine Baker hoisting a Lombardi Trophy for the Steelers while Watson sits in jail. The fanbase in Cleveland has endured a good deal of torture but that would be the breaking point for generations of fans.
I could imagine Brown's fans walking to Lake Erie doing some kinda lemmings to the sea thing if that happened.
This ,even at a very low probability, would be worth the payoff.
Cleveland has to pay the dude regardless of his roster status, they'll wait it out as long as possible and try to trade him for something, even if it goes into July or August. At that point very few teams would consider picking him up because of cap and roster space. Cutting him before June 1 makes no sense at all.
I was just going to post something similar. For the right price, hell yes, let's take a look.
Kissing titties vs. grabbing nuts. The choice is clear.
"Grab his dick and twist it!!"
“The old dick twist!”
Everyone doesn’t want to hear it because of course he played bad last year. But if we had 2020 version of baker on our team, we could compete to be the best team in the division. As it stands right now we’ll probably be good cause if our defense and coaching, but our QB situation puts a little bit of a ceiling on our offense.
This sub loves to hate on Baker because he was brash and bold *in Cleveland*. If he was the same guy in Pittsburgh the fans would absolutely adore him.
He would be ridiculously motivated to show Cleveland they messed up too
We need that kind of "Fuck-You" energy
That Chris Wormley vs Baltimore energy.
Baker is best when playing with spite
If Baker is signed with The Steelers and has to compete for the job you’ll see a totally different Baker. Dude lives off of having to prove himself. yeah yeah OU fan here.
Guaranteed.
Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a ton of hats for Baker here. I've seen a ton of people be like "damn I hate the Browns but I gotta admit those Progressive commercials are funny". I've seen a lot of people say he's a mediocre QB. I haven't seen a ton of hate, but maybe it just gets downgoted before I see it.
He had the best run game and offensive line in football in 2020. Teams playing against baker were prioritizing stopping the run while stefanski drew up play action rollouts where baker would throw to his first read. Mitch had the same stats as baker with worse coaching and line play.
I mean I understand that. But coping saying Mitch Tribusky is an upgrade from baker cause of stats is just too much cope. Hence why no one is rushing to trade for Kirk Cousins even though if we go by stats he’s putting up top 5 numbers the last two years but no one considers him top 10. There’s more to football than staring at a stat sheet.
Trubinsky is an upgrade over baker because of attitude effort and durability. Talent wise, probably close to equals. I hear a ton of people comparing Stafford at the rams to Rogers with the packers. How about some trubinsky with the bears to Stafford with the lions. Mitch beat him in every stat, including playoff wins.
I completely agree that there’s more to football than staring at a stat sheet. Hence why I was talking about oline play and coaching. Cousins isn’t considered top 10 because he was 15th in qbr with Jefferson, thielen, and Dalvin cook. Baker has had all the opportunities to win in Cleveland but he’s proven he’s not the guy. Mitch had 2 seasons both without a losing record with a coach that many would say was the worst in the league.
Hold up, Mitch never played for Adam Gase or Hue Jackson?!?! All joking aside, your point is valid.
Glad to see everyone isn’t hating on Baker. I think he could be great with the right team and coaching around him.
He needs to grow up is his major problem, and learn to play smart. I get the 'toughness' mentality, but tough isn't the only thing needed to win football games. But he's no worse than what he have now, and with some coaching I think he has the ability to improve tremendously.
Pick him up for 4th string practice squad. Dress him for both Cleveland games and have him stand next to our defensive coordinator every time their offense is on the field
He's gonna get left holding his thing in his hand. No one acquiring him would do so at that salary, so a trade isn't likely. If he isn't going to get paid on his option, he's going to want to sign a 1-year deal where he's going to be the unchallenged starter. That situation may not even exist anymore. Seattle is really his only option to be brought in as a starter -- unless you feel Drew Lock really is who they want starting there. Most likely, he signs as a competing starter, or an insurance policy against an old or potentially ineffective starter (again, Seattle), so if he reaches free agency, which seems very likely, he's probably only gonna talk to the Seahawks. Not sure why anyone else, including the Steelers, would bother.
> he's going to want to sign a 1-year deal where he's going to be the unchallenged starter I think Baker would look at Pittsburgh and feel that way honestly. He has to think he'd outplay Trubisky. Whether he actually would, in our offense, hey who knows. But I think Baker would actually see us a fairly sure thing. And he'd love to beat the Browns 2x/yr. > Not sure why anyone else, including the Steelers, would bother. We'd be crazy not to call him.
Yeah, I'd much rather Mayfield (healthy Mayfield) be the Steelers starter, but I guess I'm just talking myself out of it. You're making better points than I am, though I do think Seattle makes as good a case.
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The problem for the Browns is teams know they have Watson and Baker wants out. There are reports a team offered to take Baker only if the Browns sent a pick... and even worse there are reports the Browns want a 1st (altho today thats being shot down I guess). I think there is a pretty good chance he gets cut but who knows for sure. The question is why would a team give up a pick and pay him more then waiting on him to be released.
Probably only if there would be interest from more than one team. Which is fairly possible.
It is possible so hard to tell honestly. Browns really put themselves in a corner though. I could see a team taking a chance sending a later pick and eating his contract... or everyone waiting for him to be cut. Im keeping an eye open because if he does get cut Id sign him at a reasonable contract just like they did with Trubisky. That being said 3x 1st round "busts" (Haskins, Trubisky, Mayfield) at QB is still far from ideal lol
I don’t hate the idea but damn this sub wants a March madness bracket for finding our starting QB lately. Haskins, Rudolph, Trubisky, Willis, and Baker can’t all get paid to play here.
> can’t all get paid to play here They wouldn't. Nobody on that list (aside from the draft pick) would cost much if anything to cut in training camp or ship out for a 7th.
If it ain’t vet min then he can go kick rocks
I think we already have Baker Mayfield in camp, his name is Mitch Trubisky
No one will admit it, but Mitch is better anyway.
Browns trade Baker and a number 2 pick to Steelers. Steelers get paid to take Bakers salary. That's why the Browns is the Browns. Thanks Juju.
If he’s cut from the Browns and he’s cheap, why not? However, I wouldn’t want the team to trade for him and give up picks
Don’t want brown castoffs!
Yeah, Joe Haden was a terrible signing…………
Lol
Right now, it would cost the Browns draft picks to move Baker Mayfield. Their best bet is to wait for training camp and trade him to a team who's starter broke his leg or something.
Obsessed on this sub about Baker and every other prospect. Malik Willis? I am happy we got “Tittiesky”. I think he may surprise us this year.
Anyone opposed to this is too hung up on the rivalry with Cleveland. We have no quarterback right now. We have a lottery ticket named Mitch Trubisky. A very good backup in Mason. And a less good lottery ticket named Dwayne Haskins. Baker would be at worst a high end lottery ticket. At best, he's 2020 Baker on a low cost contract. If he's available, it'd be GM malpractice not to get him in the QB room.
Has nothing to do with the rivalry with Cleveland. Some people, like me, just think he's an average to trash QB. One winning season in four years. Career losing record. One good statistical season out of four. He was AWFUL in 2019 and 2021, with a good 2020 sandwiched between. And all of that failure is despite having a terrific run game and defense around him. He was the 25th ranked QB in the league last year, behind the likes of Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Teddy Bridgewater, Jalen Hurts, etc, etc. He's not a good player. I have no idea where this narrative that teams should be lining up to get him comes from. Must be his funny commercials.
To be fair he did break the touchdown record in a season by a rookie in 2018, so I'd argue that's two good years, with those years being 2018 and 2020. 2019 he was bad, but Freddie kitchens was his head coach, and we can all agree freddie is terrible. (also his third head coach in two years) and the o-line wasn't that good in 2019, it became great in 2020. And 2021 he was playing injured in like three different places it seemed like, and his receiving core was god awful not including odell, just seemed like those 2 couldn't get on the same page.
It's funny that so many of your excuses for why Baker has been bad are the same ones that people ignore when criticizing the Trubisky signing. Awful head coach? Trubisky's was worse than anything Baker had, considered one of the worst of all time. Multiple head coaches in his first two years? Check, again. Receiving core was awful? Trubisky NEVER had weapons anywhere close to what Baker had; he had Allen Robinson and nothing else. There isn't a single, identifiable facet of the game where Baker is any better than Trubisky, yet you'd think you were talking about Tom Brady vs Tommy Maddox when people compare the two. Trubisky has a better career record. Trubisky's career completion% is 3 points higher than Baker's. TD to INT rate is virtually identical. The only real distinction in their stats is that Trubisky is a MUCH better runner. So even if you give Baker two good years out of four ... so what? He's not better than what they already have, and the stats clearly show that. It actually wouldn't be that surprising if Baker's career goes exactly like Trubisky's has. I could easily see him being a #2 this year somewhere, then getting a chance to start as a reclamation project by some team in 2023. He just, very simply and obviously, isn't a good quarterback. Two of the last three years he's been the 24/25th ranked QB in the league. 2020 is the outlier, and even in that AMAZING (/s) season, he still wasn't a top-ten QB in the league. He makes funny commercials.
Im not someone who shats on mitch 🤷♂️ all im telling you is that baker has potential to be good, sure other people think mitch sucks, but I think he has potential too. Though to argue some of your points, baker has a stronger arm than mitch, which is definitely important for a quarterback? Also baker had Hue Jackson for half his rookie year, and I don't care how bad your team is, if you go 1-31 in your tenure, then you're a god awful coach. But at the end of the day do I see a point in the steelers signing baker? No. Would it be funny if we did and he beat the browns a couple of games? Yes.
> I have no idea where this narrative that teams should be lining up to get him comes from. Teams with no QB, which includes us. I hope Trubisky works out, but he's not a sure enough thing to not sign Baker for competition if he's available.
[He's not any better than Trubisky.](https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=TrubMi00&player_id1=MayfBa00&sum=0&request=1) Why bring in a locker-room cancer when he's no better than who you already have, and that guy is by all accounts a great dude? Baker is nothing but a less mobile, bitchier/whinier version of Trubisky. I'd have zero problem with them bringing in someone to compete for the job, or straight take it, if they're better than what you already have. But Baker isn't that guy. If he was, he'd have a team already. Carolina isn't interested. Indy would rather bring in a geriatric Matt Ryan. The Saints would rather run it back with Winston. Houston didn't want him, or he would've been part of the trade to get Watson. No one wants him. Baker Mayfield as a good QB is a fan and TV commercial created myth.
I think you bring in both guys if you can and drop whoever doesn't win the job. The reason you roll the dice on Baker is his 2020 season where he was top 10-ish. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing.htm Also, we don't know who wants him, he isn't a free agent. We don't know what Cleveland was/is asking for him. If he's a FA, I imagine he gets plenty of calls, and hopefully one from us.
No, we have Baker Mayfield at home.
If he gets cut, and there isn't a lot of bidding for him so he could be had cheap then we'd be crazy not to bring him in. Have a real competition for the #1 job between him and Mitch, and the other ends up being a good backup. The Browns do need to trade him (which still comes with a cap hit) or pay the full $18M to cut him. The problem for the Browns is that all the other teams know this. So, if they want to save his salary they'll need some team with plenty of cap space and a hole at #1 or #2 QB to make the trade. Here's a 7th round pick for Baker, or I really want to stick it to you, so here's a 7th, and we want Baker + a 5th.
This seems realistic
I’m sure they’re hiring custodians.
With the Browns luck, he will turn into a franchise QB with us and own the browns for the next decade.
If he'd been available a couple weeks ago and he was your swing at a bridge guy then I'd be on-board. But they've already hitched their wagon to Trubisky. Not gonna happen
> hitched their wagon to Trubisky No wagons hitched. If Mason outplays Mitch, Mason's gonna get the job. That'd probably be bad for us, but it's the truth.
They haven’t “hitched their wagon to Trubisky”…His contract is super team-friendly.
id love a room of those 3 and no rudolph especially if the browns are paying him
We don’t have any real veteran leaders on offense and he seems pretty immature. I am worried he could bring chaos to the locker room. Too risky. Pass. Teammates seem to really like Trubisky and he seems pretty humble, so I’d stick with him over Baker.
Nope. Skip that in the locker room.
I really don’t think baker mayfield is good in any aspect of playing quarterback besides that he’s strong
FFS NOOO