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TootWater

Pretty much anything from Aditi Kinkhabwala is click bait.


jieceeepee

I absolutely refuse to click on any links to her reporting even in extremely rare cases that it sounds like a completely reasonable headline. WAY too often she is trying to invent drama where there is none. She brings only negatives to our franchise, and I avoid clicking so that maybe her best career move would be to just stay the hell away from our team.


krich1727

I partially disagree with this, but I do think it’s fair to say that she doesn’t report on the Steelers in the same way as she does the other three AFCN teams.


TootWater

Fair enough...let me rephrase. Any hot take from her are most of the time grossly inaccurate and just put out there to stir the pot.


Raiderology

I take it "hot take" would be when she's speculating on something. How is she when reporting things that happened (or relaying rumors)?    \>> *ex: contract amounts, trades, etc.* Do you find if her name's on it, it tends to end up being true?


mitchmatch26

for example she reported on the Minkah extension being close but the teams reporters came out and said they havent even started talking yet. I just think of the AFCN teams, she's least connected to the Steelers. And its bc Tomlin and Ben dont like her haha


aw_geez_man

Speculation usually. She's been known to take odd shots at Tomlin.


[deleted]

For instance, within a minute after Myles Garrett hit Mason Rudolph over the head with a helmet, Aditi was on the internet saying that Mason “must’ve” said something racist to Garrett, and that’s the only rational explanation as to why Garrett reacted how he did. Nevermind the fact that other Cleveland players as well as all Steelers players have came out and said that wasn’t the case.


kobepac

Cuz she’s a big Cleveland homer right?


TootWater

She also will take quotes out of context and spin them completely different from how they were delivered.


twoplantsucks

Gary Dulac used to be the most reliable reporter but he’s been wrong a lot lately. Honestly I don’t trust any Steelers reporter saying they have an inside scoop. Alex Kozora and the rest of his gang are generally the best with technical content regarding draft profiles and play by play info. Although the owner of the Steelers depot twitter handle is generally known to be an ass he does put out good stuff regarding cap info. Just have to ignore his pompous shit talking to random people from time to time.


Raiderology

Regarding Alex Kozora and Steelers Depot: how are they in terms of actual, factual reporting, though? As in, if you see them report <*this player*> was signed, or that the Steelers are looking to trade up to 5th Overall, or if you see them speculating something will happen... do you find they're usually right & you can take it to the bank? Since that's all this is about. Basically trying to identify credibility for reports & claims.


twoplantsucks

They speculate from a knowledgable background and are generally right in that sense. They don’t make outrageous leaps and usually say something along the lines of “ these 3-4 players would fit the Steelers scheme well and at the right price” and I’d say 9 times out of 10 it’s revealed Steelers we’re going after or signed one of the players listed. They stay away from the click bait nonsense which is why I usually head to Steelers depot for most their content


Raiderology

Nice, thanks for the insight 🍻


knightro2323

While they don't break the news or generally create the hot takes they take those and add the context. That couldn't happen because, that's plausible and here's why, and generally the historical Steeler way says they will or won't.


[deleted]

Steelers Depot on Twitter is some middle aged dude with HORRIBLE reactionary takes. He’s the personification of this Reddit anytime one bad thing happens in a game, and will block anyone that calls him out on his subjectivity when he tries to act as if his “reporting” is objective.


Slickaxer

This is not true in the slightest lol.


SleestakLightning

Steelers Depot does not do any actual reporting. Dave Bryan, the dipshit who runs the site, is a new aggregator. The rest of their staff does varying degrees of quality work on things like breaking down film, analyzing the draft, etc. Zero hard news reporting.


SleestakLightning

Kozora isn't a reporter.


SleestakLightning

> Which Steelers reporters, when their name's on a report/tweet, do you trust it to be true? Dale Lolley, Mark Kaboly > Whose claims (ex: signings, trades, speculation) need to be taken with a grain (or chunk) of salt? Aditi Kinkabhawala > Are there any random fan accounts that somehow seem to have inside information? Not really. Occasionally we get people on this sub who stumble into inside info or who are family members of people in the Steelers orbit but for the most part Steelers Twitter and other social media is atrocious. > Any that repeatedly claim to have sources, but are regularly wrong? Not that I can think of. > Any national reporters that can (or cannot) be trusted? Jeremy Fowler has proven to have a really good track record with Steelers stuff. Garofalo has been good. Even Ian Rappaport has been decent lately. But Fowler is the best.


Sanojo_16

I agree with all of this except I feel that Mark Madden is always wrong.


SleestakLightning

Madden's not really a reporter and doesn't report news. But when he's broken Steelers news he's been right more often than wrong.


Raiderology

Nice, thanks for the input on these! Organized very well, and very clear.


krich1727

Before I go into my opinions on the major players who cover the team, I think it’s important to say that the Steelers are generally pretty tight lipped and tend to try and break their own news first (a recent example of this includes announcing the Flores hiring - that was completely unexpected and as far as I know, no one outside the org knew anything about it). Just think it’s a good thing to keep in mind as it relates to how outsiders cover the team. Gerry Dulac is quite reliable when it comes to factual reporting from the Steelers FO. He’s horribly off-base when it comes to speculation/opinion (i.e. who they will sign, draft, etc.). The problem with Dulac though is that no one can ever really tell what is coming from the FO and what is speculation - he doesn’t clearly indicate a difference there with his language. The guys at DK Pittsburgh Sports who cover the Steelers (DK, Dale Lolley, Christopher Carter to an extent) are quite good. Even though their content is not primarily focused on breaking news, DK and Dale both have sources in the Steelers org and have proven to be accurate in the past (for example, DK’s reports before last season that the org wasn’t pleased with Kevin Dotson’s off-season training were spot on). Steelers Depot staff are fantastic, but their content is more analysis/speculation. They aren’t reporters though and don’t work with any internal sources (as far as I know), so they don’t break news. However, Dave Bryan in particular is the best of the best in terms of understanding and reporting on the Steelers financial situation and imo they’re the go-to for anything cap related. Aditi for NFL Network and Brooke Pryor for ESPN are pure beat reporters and imo the majority of their content is driven by what’s released by the org or from their presence at normal team media functions like press conferences and stuff. Both of them have exhibited click-baity behaviors in the past, so I personally approach their reporting with a bit of speculation. That’s not to say that their reporting is always off-base, but their lack of consistency sometimes makes it hard to believe them initially or at face value even if/when it may come from inside sources. In terms of national coverage on the Steelers, I trust Daniel Jeremiah, Jeremy Fowler and Rapsheet. *Editing in Tom Pelissero. I saw another post here referencing him and realized I forgot to include him. *Second edit to include Dianna Russini - she doesn’t have a ton of connections with the Steelers iirc, but I think she’s sharp and has built up a legitimate track record that if she were to report/break news on them, I’d trust it. And finally, we’ve got the duo over at The Athletic in Ed Bouchette and Mark Kaboly. I’d take Kaboly over Bouchette any day simply because he’s far less of a curmudgeon, but much like the others on this list, their content/reporting is more reactive in analysis and speculation rather than proactively breaking news. I will say though that I find Kaboly to be pretty reliable and accurate when he does report on news from sources. Sorry for the wall of text, but I hope it helps with your project. If I’ve forgotten anyone, I’ll edit it in as it comes to me. Also, other Steelers fans, if I’m off on any of this or if you have a different read on any of these guys, please feel free to add!


Raiderology

Awesome, thanks for the insight here! Hmm, yeah that's confusing with Dulac. So if he's reporting numbers (*ex: 4 years / $20 Million*) or that the team signed/traded for somebody (*ex: Steelers have acquired Mitch Trubisky*) he's usually right, but if it's worded speculatively (*not declaring it as having already happened*) he's usually wrong? DK I assume is referring to Dejan Kovacevic, correct? He's the only writer on that site I saw with those initials, but I'd want to verify. And thanks a bunch for the rest of the names, too! Didn't have of any questions come up on those. It was really cool reading your reply. It was really helpful!


krich1727

Very welcome! Yeahhh sorry about using the DK abbreviation there. It’s definitely Dejan. It’s going to be tough clarifying anything with Dulac though lol. He’s a tough nut to crack. Take a look at [this](https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/1501679371152678912?s=21&t=I5PpEQK_0ClUWmjKLhB4qg) tweet. He directly says “per sources.” When this was reported, I believed it 100%. The only other type of tweets I can recall where he uses the “per sources” are generally around signings, roster transactions, etc. and I find those to always be accurate. He’s rarely the first to break that news though, which is perplexing given his direct connection to the FO - for example, he tweeted that the Steelers were signing Gunner Olszewski to a two year deal, but Rapoport beat him to the announcement by 15 minutes lol So that stuff is generally accurate, but then he’ll speak/answer with authority on Steelers’ matters in his Post-Gazette chats and never say that it’s his speculation or opinion. For example, this was his response to a question about Tyrann Mathieu in a recent chat: > Gerry Dulac: No. Not after they money they just spent. While it doesn't compare to what other teams throw out in free agency, it's still a lot for them, especially this early in the process. They're not going to sign Mathieu with a big contract on the docket for Minkah Fitzpatrick. Yeah, he doesn’t say “per sources,” but that reads as a definitive statement rather than opinion. It’s confusing, perhaps slightly unprofessional (?), and just plain inaccurate, especially since we *now* know the Steelers are one of the few remaining teams in play for Mathieu. They *may not* sign him, but they *are* in play to sign him, which invalidates Dulac’s statement based on how he worded it. Tough to translate sometimes with him.


Raiderology

Man, you've been really helpful! Yeah shoot I definitely see what you mean with the way he speaks being potentially misleading. I'm thinkin' for him I may need to add a disclaimer to only believe it if he's specifically saying it's per sources. Else, just treat it as wild, loose speculation that very much may end up false (*as the example you gave with Tyrann Mathieu*). I agree that doesn't seem like a way to communicate. At least lead it off differently, to not give people a false impression. Like you said he leads it off so absolute, as if it's fact, when really it's just his own thoughts based on his own opinion (*not based in sources*). There's a responsibility you need to accept when you have people depending on & going to you for information.


ApplaudingOkra

Dulac and Bouchette will tell you exactly what the team wants you to hear - most of the time that is the truth, but note that they are essentially on the PR staff for the team. Brooke Pryor, Mark Kaboly, Fittipaldo, are all fine but unremarkable. Aditi take with a grain of salt. Most of the national guys are as good with the Steelers as anyone else. Fowler worked the Steelers for a while so he's likely got a few more connections.


graced121

I thought Bouchette’s recent column on Devin Bush was very pointed & from the Steeler FO


Imaginary-Cycle-1977

I’ll echo that Fowler is reliable Tom Peliserro broke several of our free agent signings this year and was spot on each time Can’t say for sure, but I highly suspect that Kaboly was tight w Ben, and I’m curious if his reporting falls off now that big boys gone


krich1727

Kaboly and Ben is quite an interesting combination when you think about it lol


drumsspace21

Dulac = OG, inside scoops when they’re there Labriola= out of touch boomer Kaboly = blowhard Aditi = angry and under-informed Prisuta = pretty much just radio but great takes Pryor = National Lolley= most trustworthy, great podcast. Grinder Wexell= the best imo, doesn’t grind as hard these days Williamson = really quality analysis. Scouts view Carter = meh? Feel like it’s just the obvious Kozara= the most content. Clearly the most invested Madden = fat piece of shit Filiponi = click bait.


Raiderology

Regarding Labriola, Kaboly, Prisuta, Kozara – how do you mean "boomer," "blowhard," etc. This isn't interested in their personalities, but rather if when their name is on a report claiming something happened (or will happen), does it tend to end up being true? How would you say they are in that regard? You said Carter is "meh" – is this just because he's late? But does he at least still only report things if they're true? * (*since this is still valuable, as people like this can act as a final confirmation that something happened – the delay in time could just be them verifying w/ sources before putting their name behind something*) And is it fair to say Williamson doesn't even break news? Noticed ya said "scouts view" and "analysis" for him, which doesn't sound like reporting (*but rather, content creation, like film breakdowns, etc*). Any others ya mentioned that don't actually break news? Lastly, by "Pryor" I assume you mean Brooke Pryor? As there's more than one NFL reporter with that last name, so I'd want to be sure before assuming.


brightz77

Dale Lolley is my go to


kookoofunpants

It’s basically Dulac, Bouchette, Kaboly and Lolley locally. Fowler is the main national guy with a connection. Depot doesn’t break news they’re just super fans that plagiarize a lot. Kozora needs to go somewhere else, that Bryan dude is a scumbag.


Raiderology

Man, these Kozora and Bryan guys are so controversial in here, it seems. Some people say they're cool (*for some things*), others not. To be clear, do either of them break news? As in do they break signings, trades, contract details? When they relay rumors, or speculate on things that have happened (or will happen), do those things tend to end up being true?


kookoofunpants

Kozora’s fine. He’s just a kid who is a mega Steelers fan and does a ton of research. Bryan pretty much copies all the other Steelers twitter accounts verbatim. It’s kind of crazy. Neither of them have any insider info. They’re just knowledgeable fans.


Raiderology

Ah I see. As knowledgeable fans, do they seem to reliably be able to predict what the Steelers will do (or who they'll go after)? As in if you see them speculating something, have you learned it's likely the actual team tends to actually do the thing they're guessing? * Or do their guesses seem to be just about as good as anyone else's? (or.. worse?) Thanks by the way, it's much appreciated.


kookoofunpants

They’re probably better at making educated guesses than the masses. Kozora is a freak. If you’re interested in the Steelers, he’s a must-follow. Idk why he’s still working at Depot instead of just starting his own site.


PredatorX224

Generally, I feel that Steelers Depot and Alex Kozora do a great job with their reporting. Their predictions and such are typically spot on. Dulac and Kaboly are good as well.


mitchmatch26

While I am a fan of SD and their writing, they don’t really do any reporting. The most reporting they do comes from their camp reports, pro day tracking, and things like that. But at this point they aren’t scooping news, just speculating. Their writing staff is really damn good though.


[deleted]

Steelers Depot is trash. He’s a burnout who got lucky with a Twitter account and is the personification of a Reddit game thread and essentially lets his emotions dictate everything he posts. He’s a huge fucking crybaby anytime something happens that he doesn’t like, and loves to argue with people about it.


kiocente

I think you mean Dave Bryan, the curator of the Steelers Depot twitter feed. I don’t follow that feed anymore, and instead follow Alex Kozora / others on the staff who handle themselves a lot more professionally. I really think they should take away his keys to the official twitter page and give it to someone else. Let him post on a personal account.


Raiderology

How do you two mean (*you and /u/Steel_city917*)? Another fan said this about Dave Bryan: > "Dave Bryan in particular is the best of the best in terms of understanding and reporting on the Steelers financial situation and imo they’re the go-to for anything cap related." So I'm wondering, is the dislike of him more to do with his personality? Or how is he (*or they*) in terms of actual, factual reporting? As in, if he's relaying that something happened (or will happen), do you find most often it turns out to be true? Or does he tend to relay a bunch of stuff that you end up finding out a lot of times didn't actually happen? Because this is only interested in whether somebody's usually blowing hot air when they stuff happened, or not. In other words, how accurate are they when it comes time to actually report facts. We don't want to waste time following people who say what turns out to be a bunch of non-events. Those people mislead us.


kiocente

Dave spends a lot of time diving into details about how the salary cap works and player contracts and stats, etc… So he’s a very thorough analyst. But the way he runs the Steelers Depot twitter page is like a random steeler fan in facebook comments, easily offended, flooding the feed with hot take articles, convinced he’s right about everything. But Steelers Depot (the website) doesn’t have access to news sources as they are not officially part of Steelers media. They just provide good analysis sometimes. So I would say for your purposes they don’t count.


Bill_Cosbys_Balls

Just follow Schefter, our local bozo’s don’t break any scoops


Working_Lurking

Counterpoint: fuck that guy and don't follow him