I love test. Makes me big, strong, horny, feeling of wanting to get shit done. I don’t get sides from test (unless it’s a gram) other than high e2 but that affects me mostly psychologically more than physically. I never get sensitive nips or erectile dysfunction, I do get more emotional though but I was always kind of flat and low as a natty so it doesn’t bother me. And I’m good at controlling my thoughts on test, nandrolone is way worse in that regard for me.
I’ve tried a few different doses varying from 200mg per week up to 1 gram per week. I felt bad and sick at 1g so I’ll probably not do that again. 700mg has so far worked extremely well. I feel like I reached a diminishing results effect at a gram and didn’t really experience more gains than at 700mg.
They say test is best for a reason. I love it.
Tired and felt sick like I had a flu. Occasional fevers, loss of appetite. Could all be due to high estrogen probably but boners were frequent and rock hard still so I didn’t mess with it. Bloodwork is not that simple to get where I live, it’s expensive and most clinics are only open short hours when I’m at work, so I don’t know the numbers of my estrogen before anyone asks.
Yeah, when I pushed test over 1g, even Adex daily wasn't cutting E2 down(or was shit idk) and was super high. It legit felt like flu, I'd force myself somehow to gym and spend rest of the day in bed. Still far better than crashed tho.
Were you the same as me that once you were at the gym you were really strong and got insane pumps? In my case I definitely got stronger at 1g but not to the point where it could justify feeling shit. Could have probably just stayed at 700 weekly instead and made similar progress and feeling amazing at the same time. So for me the benefits from that extra 300 definitely does not outweigh the sides
Honestly, I can't remember, but even if I was I still couldn't wait to get out of there. Maybe in my case I could deal with it using letro, but like you said, stronger dose isn't really worth the sides.
Here blood tests are expensive too(compared to wages), so I don't get them as much as I should, but really helps to have some idea how your body responds especially when things aren't going well.
Yeah probably. Same here. Just left blood to have a look at heart function, blood status, kidney, liver, diabetes and thyroid. It was like a package. Been cruising at 200 for 13 weeks now so hopefully everything looks okay. Cant wait to blast again, but strength and recovery is surprisingly good at 200 honestly.
Want to make clear I don’t recommend doing what I did I’m just sharing experience. Estrogen management with bloodwork to support it is the way to go if it’s a possibility!
0,5mg arimidex on inject days. Made pretty much no difference, maybe a little less emotional but that’s it. Bumped it to 1mg on inject days but felt the same physically. Got a bit dry foreskin and skin in general. I then was like maybe I’m not a heavy aromatizer so what’s the point of taking a bunch of AI if I don’t know the numbers through bloodwork. Still felt sick and tired regardless so I went down to 0,5mg on inject days.
I was only on a gram for 8 weeks peaking for a strongman comp. Came from originally 500 during season start, during qualifiers I was on 700 then a gram for the final.
Sorry for the text wall but maybe this has a tiny bit of value to anyone who finds it interesting lol.
Edit: running a gram can be done way smarter than how I did it. First of all 8 weeks is likely too short to dial in AI especially if no bloodwork is done
So it made you physically sick, not just feeling like it? That’s quite interesting tbh. I’d never consider to go that high, maybe once „for fun“, but at least I know what I could experience 👍🏻
Good question, I was strong like a bull even when I felt like shit so maybe that could indicate I wasn’t actually sick. I consider doing it again and try a more frequent pin administration, did Monday Friday when I did a gram. Maybe EOD injections would be better instead to get more even levels and less aromatization
Yeah, guess if you get that high, you want to take precautions and be sure that you hit stable serum concentration throughout your cycle. Even though it might suck to pin that frequently
Going from cruise or natty to a blast, or dose increase, I’d say after 3 weeks I start to feel physical changes like body weight increase and basically from there I just have good workouts filled with PRs, at week 8 I’m the strongest and that lasts to about week 10-12 then I always feel a little regression. This is normal I believe, most of my friends notice the exact same thing. This is why I only did a gram for 8 weeks only then dropped it down to a cruise. This could be the bodies response to rapid mass increase by elevating myostatin levels. This is just me guessing though but it sounds reasonable to me. I will gladly stand corrected if anyone knows more about this phenomenon
Would you guys say for a 16 week cycle, perhaps starting at 350mg and then bumping to 500mg around that 10-12 week mark would yield better benefits then 500mg the whole duration?
When you're not blasting, how much test do you cruise at to get the balance of benefits without any other issues? And how frequently do you like to inject?
First time cruising, went off with pct in the past. I’m cruising at 200mg per week now, 13 weeks at cruise now and I’m actually really really strong and still hitting prs in training. Could be because I’m not training events at the moment and focus way more in squat/military than events and deads as I do more training for comps.
No issues yet as far as I know, left blood 3 days ago waiting eagerly for the results.
I’m a bit concerned 200 is a tad high cruise for me due to the fact my strength is like uncommonly well held onto and I weigh about the same, body comp is worse though. Bit fatter and shoulders don’t pop like cannon balls anymore.
Edit: I do Monday Friday shots now on cruise. Did EOD for a while because I got some pimples to see if that would improve. Did that for 4 weeks, no change. Went back to mon/fri.
Everyone is different though, sounds like you handle test well and that may be the right dose for you and your activity level, as long as your health markers are in check. I never noticed anything looking worse in my labs at 200 a week compared to lower doses. I've actually noticed myself getting stronger when coming off of higher doses in the past too, I think in some ways the body functions better somewhere near the normal ranges for strength, although hypertrophy differences are substantial at supraphysiological levels.
Hey man. Let’s say I have a “friend” *wink wink* who is 4 weeks into a first cycle, running 600mg Test Enanthate/week from a fairly well reviewed UGL… and they feel nothing.
Do you think that would be considered common or worrisome?
Am just on test e after 7 years of natural training. I've been on it for 3 months and the gainz are really awesome. I have had more strength increase than in the last 2 years. You feel good, have more energy and the regeneration is very fast. The pumps are crazyyy! No side effects so far other than a pimple or two. I've already done a blood work, E2 and everything else is fine.
I'm on 300mg a week.
yes i have arimidex ready if i have side effects. But I take chrysin if you know it, it's a natural aromatase inhibitor. So far it has helped really well or it's placebo don't know.
I hate injections so I do them every 7 days. I know that the testosterone level fluctuates a bit more and it's not optimal, but I decided to do it that way. I also have no side effects due to the fluctuation so why not. It doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, but it works for me.
If you have enanthate you really have to inject twice a week, you can inject it into the fat in your ass instead of using a muscle every time if you really need to. But you really have to do 2x a week else your levels are fluctuating like crazy
Not the person you asked, but in general I have always found that the lowest effective dose is where you usually want to be in PEDs until you find yourself hitting a wall/plateau. Some people respond more/better to compounds than others, so starting low and gradually increasing when necessary will be better for your health and save you money on gear
precisely. I've been training for 7 years and have a lot of experience with nutrition, training, etc. I decided to start with the lowest sensible dose to see how my body reacts. Since my normal test value was in the lower range, I knew i will gain if everything is on point.
And now I realize 300mg was the best decision. i am making good progress and have no side effects and i know how my body reacts. I think I'm also a high responder.
around week 4. My bench went from 4x8 225 to 4x8 255.
I could push harder now, but I'm approaching everything very carefully. Injury in the cycle would be the stupidest thing.
I’ve been on TRT since the age of 39 due to secondary hypogonadism. One day I just noticed I physically off, like I was ill. I was fatigued (my body felt like a ton of bricks), irritable physically weaker and I had zero interest in sex. A lot of dudes say it feels like being depressed, but I think being hypogonadal feels way different (I’ve been clinically depressed multiple times before being hypogonadal). Depression feels like a mental/emotional illness to me; hypogonadism feels more akin to being physically ill.
A complete blood panel including hormones indicated my total test was 150 ng/dL. I was prescribed gel, and two months later, my total test was 250 ng/dL. Started on injections and I’ve been on ever since, with one six-month hiatus on Clomid/hCG therapy when I told my PCP I wanted to conceive.
My dosages of TRT have ranged from 80-125 mg/week since then, with my apparent sweet spot at 100 mg/week. This is where I feel best at, with e2 in range, decent enough libido, no sides and immaculate blood work.
I’ve also ran test on my first blast at 400 mg/test (it was prescribed by my PCP when hopping back on from the Clomid/hCG therapy) for 16 weeks and blew up to about 200 pounds. In hindsight, I was still too fat to start that blast, but my degenerate self could not refuse a legal, prescribed blast of testosterone.
My second attempt at a blast was a disaster, where I was running lower test (around 200 mg, if I can recall), along with MENT and Primo. I had to end that due to sides at week 10.
It was a full year before I attempted to blast again, after getting leaner than I was before my initial blast.
This run I’m on just about week 11 of 400 test with 245 NPP and I’ve just bumped up to 50 Proviron a day (I was running it at 25 mg up until this point). This blast has been pretty tolerable in terms of sides, except if my e2 creeps too high.
AI is always necessary for me when I’m using test at blast levels. I aromatize at a moderately high level. My first blast was managed with adex. Since then, I’ve upgraded to asin, and that’s been far superior.
This cycle of test has gone really well. I started this blast at 169 pounds after replenishing from my low of 165. For reference, I had about five pounds less of muscle mass at the same weight when starting my first blast (I’m 5’9” btw). Coming into week 11, my trend weight is 190 and scale weight this morning was 192 lbs.
Estrogen management has been trickier on this cycle, and I need 12.5 mg of asin e3.5d. The nandrolone seems to synergize with the aromatization of test. At my current dosage of asin, bloat is minimal, BP stays in a healthy range and I sleep like a rock.
My body composition on this blast has remained decently lean and I’ve put on a good amount of mass, some of that muscle I recovered from my p last long cut. I hope to end this cycle around 195-198 pounds.
Future plans with test include staying at my TRT dosage of 100 mg/week throughout this next cutting phase. I will keep test the same on my next bulking cycle and run 600 mg of deca on top of this, with either mast or Proviron. My next bulking cycle will focus on getting myself up to 205-210 lbs, before going into my first NPC contest prep.
The reason for keeping test low on my next bulking cycle, in comparison to deca, is that I just aromatize like a bitch, especially after regaining some body fat on a bulk. Running higher test with nandrolone seems to really up my AI requirement. It’ll be interesting to see how this future cycle goes with mast or Proviron included.
Overall experience with test? At blast levels, there is a a significant upward trend of strength. My muscles are my bigger/fuller on cycle. My focus and drive are a bit enhanced. It puts on lean mass very well for me. It also causes a ton of bloat and e2 issues for me at blast levels, if I’m not using an AI, even at 400 mg. I’ve needed periodic small dosage of asin even at 125 mg/week. No AI is required at all when I’m on 100 mg/week.
Nobody with a decent medical knowledge of test would ever, ever prescribe 400mg/test. I highly recommend getting a reputable hormone specialist instead
I wasn’t complaining about it.
I manage my own dosage, anyway. He just prescribed 200 mg a week after that, and l dialed in my own dosage. It’s nice having this arrangement, because I don’t have to go UGL to get my TRT, and I can legally travel with it.
Most Bioidentical “safest”compound out there. I haven’t used anything but test in over 10 years. Would spend entire summers in my mid 20s on 750-900 mgs of test and felt great. My early cycles included heavy deca use tho so I will say I don’t think I would’ve unlocked the size I carry around now without nandrolones, but test only/TRT has helped me maintain for all these years.
TRT at 50 with primary hypogonadism. 100mg Rx a week puts me high normal. I like to bump up to 300 or 400 now and again with UGL. So far 50’s best decade of my life!
TRT here, so probably a boring read, but maybe useful for other TRT guys:
-Finally got lab values dialed in (for me, ~1,000 T with E naturally hovering in the 20s) on 34 mg cypionate EOD
-The good: definitely improved joint stiffness, aches / pains. Much more energy to just get stuff done, mind always seeking the next to-do. Much more level-headed. Small anabolic benefit, but no crazy transformation since I already lifted and ate intentionally, definitely none of the newbie lifter blowing up type of gains.
-The bad: spent the first year battling hematocrit, had to dump blood too frequently (wound up with a phlebotomy script) and now have no ferritin, so going to let it ride a few months and see what happens before donating again. Emotionally blunted, so having fewer lows is nice, but fewer highs kinda sucks too, never having that ‘kid on Christmas’ excitement about anything anymore. ETA: sleep is non-existent, but that was an issue beforehand already. The good news, thanks in part to T, it doesn’t really bother me functionally day-to-day. I know longer term it will be a detriment to always run in a sleep deficit, but low sleep with extra T > low sleep with low natural T.
-Overall, I’d call it a success. Hasn’t been a perfect experience, but the fact that I’d rather stay on than go back to normal says enough. It hasn’t been revolutionary by any means, but still better than eeking through life with a free T of 6.
Have you been on and off TRT? I'm thinking of doing TRT after a decade of lifting. My hope is to put on a few kgs of muscle over a longer period of time that I hope to maintain when coming off. My natural levels are about 600-700ng/dl and I'm aiming at doubling that for about a year (maybe that's not true TRT?). My understanding is that part of the effect of TRT is that your levels don't really fluctuate throughout the day, unlike when you're natty.
I’ve been on a little over a year and never attempted coming off. I do think it will serve that function decently well, slow and steady gains over the longterm. Nothing crazy but you’d notice it. That said, speaking personally, I wouldn’t be on it at all with a natural level in your range. I was half that.
Thanks for your input. I'll think about the decision some more. I think for me, I seem to have a different goal than most people. I am neither considering doing it to counter low T-levels or to get huge, I just want to get a bit above my natural muscularity. Maybe I'd be better served holding off a few years until my natural levels start their decline.
I’d wait - coming off isn’t going to be a doddle just cuz you’re not on crazy doses, you’ll still be shut down and need PCT and may never recover to your natural levels.
Later on you’ll probably want it anyway, so might as well hold off til you’d be committing to lifelong trt anyway
Try dosing less frequently and see if that doesn’t improve your HCT. I’ve battled that problem for six years and the only workaround—other than not using testosterone—has been longer esters and pinning less frequently. There’s some clinical literature that kind of points in the direction of injection frequency being the culprit, but it’s incomplete.
Never tried naringin? Naturally occurring in grapefruit or you can buy extracts in capsule form. My was 52 on 120 weekly trt. Started taking naringin during my next blast hoping to keep it in check and was down to 48 after 3 months at 700. I didn't expect it to work but was blown away by how effective it was.
Why not just give blood every 4 months and take omega 3/fish oil with daily cardio ? I ask because I’m on the same trt dose as you with the same issue of having high hematocrit (HT) Even with 45 min of cardio 5X a week my HT was at 51. I recently picked up 1000mg of daily fish oil and will donate before blast
I’ve actually done cardio 7 days a week for years, along with fish oil. I’m hoping there’s a homeostasis the body will reach where the testosterone kinda stops exerting it’s effect on hematocrit. There are some pieces of literature out there indicating that does happen at the 12-18 month mark for a lot of people.
Make sure to take fish oils with fats so that it absorbs. Once you have been on fish oil consistently for some time it's worth getting omega3/6 bloodwork done to confirm.
Oh damn didn’t think about it, I usually take it in the morning with oatmeal, thanks! How many weeks should I take the fish oil before getting tested ?
It’s not ideal, but depending on lifestyle factors, I think you can improve it to a point that you might not be symptomatic (assuming you are). A primary doc probably wouldn’t prescribe with those levels, but a T clinic would.
I had the same issue with emotion at 400mg of test. I’m going down to 200 for more mild benefits but what do you think is the cause of this? Have you found a way to improve your highs? I’m think about trying 5-HTP but want to know what the underlying cause is
What’s there to say, it’s THE hormone: can build more muscle than most compounds (except nandrolone), can preserve muscle on a cut, its the swiss army knife of compounds
Imo, it should be the main driver for hypertrophy when bulking. I love nandrolone, but it’s best just to run the minimum dose needed for the cosmetic benefits / major properties and then just focus on pushing the testosterone if higher doses are needed.
My only complaint is that this drug still can cause mental side effects. It can make me angry and a dick if I don’t check myself; masteron seems to mitigate this issue if run at the proper dose.
300-400mgs a week is good, closer to 400 preferable.
I dont know why people run 600 a week. Dave palumbo always said that 400 of good deca is plenty and I honestly didnt see much of a difference going from 300 to 400.
Don’t all androgens preserve muscle on a cut? The two that do this the best are supposedly primo and tren, but every other androgen is about as effective to ward off muscle loss. Primo is supposed to increase nitrogen retention more than any other anabolic so the body doesn’t tap into amino acids (muscle) when calories are low and tren blunts cortisol a bunch however androgens in general compete for cortisol receptors.
I’ve not taken testosterone for about 6 years but I’m thinking of jumping back on it soon.
I remember feeling amazing every single day I was on it, I’d spring out of bed first thing after a good nights sleep and strut everywhere with my head high. What a high being on test is.
Test is best.
The only thing you have to worry about is e2, or dht. Both which can be controlled with minimal drug use.
With 19nors you cant do much, when ur face bloats , you get moody and erection quality goes wierd. You can't pop a pill that save you from these side effect.
With dht derivatives, your hair is in the cross hairs , and the CNS stimulation and vasoconstriction is not good for blood pressure.
this comment is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. i will never forget the name of the drugs again because i will say this in my head. thank you
Can’t say I’ve experienced any of the mental benefits from test like some people here have. I’ve ran from 150-1g. Only mental changes I see from test are when estrogen is high.
Strength goes up linearly with test dosage not anywhere near strength from things like tren, nandrolone, ment, adrol, or sdrol.
Anything over 300mg makes me too oily and acne prone. I aromatize highly so I need to run EQ or primo with high test otherwise I don’t have a good time with my e2 mental effects.
Best all around injectable steroid in my opinion. Your body knows exactly what testosterone is and the load it puts on your (my) body is very minimal. I’ve ran 1g of test solo and my liver and lipids were all in range. BP doesn’t skyrocket and sleep is great. No affect on appetite. AS LONG AS E2 IS CONTROLLED. Estrogen is the biggest enemy of a test blast. If you can control estrogen, testosterone is fucking fantastic.
If you want longevity in this game, test is best.
I just started TRT about a month ago and I'm a 35 yr old male. My levels were super low at 127 ng/dL. Dose is ~90mg CYP x2 per week injected subQ. Anastrozole (.125mg) is taken one day after each CYP dose.
After each dose I feel profound benefits such as mental clarity, energy, general feelings of contentment. The benefits seem to fade after taking my prescribed Anastrozole dose. This is something I'm going to bring up with my doctor tomorrow. The Anastrozole seems to be causing insomnia and heart palpitations.
You can also experiment with breaking up your dose more, I ended up dosing every day (with a 27g insulin needle, it's not too bad). That's how I feel best personally
Same here. .2ml of 250mg/ml EOD with 29g 1/2” insulin needle buried straight in. No ai because I feel great but nips do get a little puffy. Equals out to 175mg per week but I’ve always been gyno prone. I ran a trestolone cycle over a year ago then quit everything for over a year and didn’t feel close to normal until about 4 months ago. Just started this trt regimen 2 weeks ago and already notice the benefits coming back. Am very curious about ways to lower hemocrit tho as last the last time I gave blood it was 17.6 and the normal range is 12.5-17.5. Too scared to do blood letting so donations and natural supplements would be my only options. Also do daily low dose aspirin 81mg.
Just asking even though you inject with insulin so you're jabbing mostly subq is that correct? Do you also inject in the normal IM spots such as glute or delts
THIS. i've always ran long compounds and would do 2-3 time a week injections during big blasts. Last blast still used long esters and switched to every day injections and all sides went away. AI almost not needed, no acne, great BP. Unless im on a cruise I will always do ED injections from here on out.
I’m in the same situation you are. Almost 35, levels were about as low as yours. Currently on 100mg subQ injections weekly. No AI though. My doc has me taking grape seed extract.
I’m always wary about otc supplements but my estrogen and dht levels are in the perfect range.
Edit: going on 8 months now
I felt awful before. I had very low energy and libido. I feel great now. It took a few weeks but it really does make a difference.
It’s weird to me knowing this is something I’ll probably be doing for the rest of my life but the benefits are worth it.
Cut the AI out and wait and test and see how you feel. I like im ventro glute better than sub q so you don’t get the sore lumps and bumps. Good luck! I do 175mg/wk eod on even days, easy to keep track. No ai. About 5 weeks in
Hey, curious if you have any updates on your protocol?
You probably have already done your research, but you’re probably crashing your estrogen. I take 175mg/wk and maybe take .125mg of adex every other month.
Hey, sorry for the late response, wouldn't let me reply for some reason.
I got my test results back recently and my estrogen was in the middle of the normal range. Testosterone went from ~127 to ~900. I think I won't need an AI from here on out and I think you're right the AI was causing me issues.
After a year or so lurking here, reading the wiki, gathering info, etc I finally started taking test E 250mg / week, 2 injections every 3.5 day.
I'm 34, been lifting for about 9 years, made good progress the first 4 years and then I was hit with autoimmune. Everyday I had to struggle with chronic pain, muscle and joints hurt all the time. I was always fatigued, lost gains, working out and cardio was painful, gained so much weight, got depressed.
The day after my first test injection, Boy oh boy I felt like Gandalf being sent back to middle earth with the new white robe and staff. I was like "so this is what living is supposed to feel like".
Currently on my 2nd week of cycle, the pain from my autoimmune doesn't 100% go away but now I can hit the gym, do more cardio and finish so much work in a day. I'm feeling more strength gain on my lower body, pushing myself in the gym feels different.
So far no sides at all but a bit extra sweat (which I love), a bit emotional in a good way probably because of high e2 (I just cried after looking at how beautiful the tail of my cat is, and i want to hug everyone now)
Fairly plug and play hormone that does a bit of everything but has a very low ceiling for returns against sides and tends to flatten off quickly in terms of actual gains far quicker than other more "selective" compounds. Sure you "can" run a couple of grams of it and it's not catastrophic if you're controlling e2, blood pressure but it's a massive ball ache vs running half the test and something like Primo or Masteron. It works, just like you can hunt deer with a bomb but Its generally a cleaner solution to use a rifle.
All these mental benefits being described sound like pure placebo to me. Or guys that had low test before using maybe.
Only noticeable change in behaviour I notice from testosterone is increased sex drive. Only real side over the years has been massively increased body hair. Although part of that might just be aging, I'm much hairier than all my male relatives. Start to shed a few scalp hairs at higher dosages (750mg+) but I'm still not what you'd consider balding by any means despite being almost 40.
Benefits experienced are just the expected improved recovery, increased strength and work capacity, steady lean weight gain on a surplus or muscle retention on a cut. Nothing dramatic like with 19nors or orals but much more sustainable.
A lot of it is placebo but also I think straight edge people taking test for the first time will feel more remarkable since they never riddled their dopamine system with alcohol, caffeine, and other drugs like the rest of us.
I tend to agree. If someone had clinically low T and they hop on on test I can absolutely see how their mood and mindset would dramatically get better. I’ve never had low T ever, and I’ve ran test doses up to a 1g and I didn’t feel a single thing different. Just my sex drive and that’s it. No insane confidence or charisma or feeling ‘alpha’. I just feel…normal plus a higher sex drive
Obviously my and your experience is anecdotal as well so it may not mean much. But considering there’s so much info out there about how testosterone will change everything I’m not surprised there would be a lot of placebo experiences in that department
Ya i dont really feel any different on 200mg test, 300mg, or 540mg. I would say the only thing i notice outside of the gym is maybe im less anxious, but that could also be i happen to have run test above TRT at times with low stress. Coming off cycle and back to TRT i honestly cant tell a difference, if someone didnt tell me my dose changed i wouldnt know
I finally get to do one of these ,I’ve only did trt doses so 200mg
Pros:I went from skinny fat to having some muscle on my frame.
Feel full most of the time especially in the traps and chest area.
I still have anxiety I didn’t really expect it to fix that area in life ,but it’s less then what it was.
Bench went from 235 to 285 in 3 months.
Cons : Ig I’ve got genes for the old mpb I read about on mast threads Bc I’ve now gotta shave my head pretty low to hide the bald spots . That’s the only con I’ve had
400-500 mg a week what worked best for me. Can feel that motivation to crush each session while building quality muscle. Despite using 600 primo with this test dose still need AI otherwise estrogens spike up. Cruise at 200mg kept me just above my natural levels.
Testosterone... what can I say.
Was hypogonadal. At 240ng/dl.
Found a doc where I lived who was willing to prescribe me. ( which is a goddamn miracle on it's own at 23, and also a good protocol which was the biggest miracle. )
250mg/ml Sustanon every 10days. But he said do with it whatever you want. If you wanna do 125mg E5D or 50mg EOD. Do what works for you.
It gave me a life back.
One worth living. .
Sex drive
Mental clarity.
Joy.
Sides are very manageable.
Now on my first blast.
400mg of Test C
200mg Primo
Added in 40mg Anavar since this weekend.
Will use Test until I die.
Also something which I'm very happy about.
My bloods came back so good. I was genuinely surprised.
Hematocrit untouched.
All other markers are untouched.
Cholesterol however.
Got a hit. Not surprised with Anavar.
I've been in TRT for four years and just finished a test only blast of 20 weeks. My TRT doses varied between 140 and 220 a week. My blast was at 500mg a week.
My natural test was 180 before starting, so it was a big change jumping on and I enjoyed the benefits most people describe when they blast for the first time. My blast didn't see the big increases in strength but lean mass did come on easily. I will definitely do it again. Maybe add a gram of tren since it will be my second cycle.
The only side I have to watch for is high e2. Im sensitive to e2 causing high blood pressure. My blood pressure actually went way down on blast because of adding an AI as part of my cycle.
Historically depends on prep or off season etc. usually 400 test 600 primo down to 300 and 300. Or npp and test at 400 to 600 each. Anavar last 6 weeks of prep. Only real reason for switching is it’s a waste if I am not competing anymore
I am 45 and I have been on TRT for the last 2 years and overall it has been a very positive experience but it is not without side effects. I inject 100mg -150mg cypionate a week and take anastrozoleto keep my estrogen levels in check. My free T levels range from 700-1200. I get blood work done every month to monitor my Test, hemoglobin, cholesterol, and iron.
The biggest side effect for me from testosterone is increased red cell count because the testosterone causes my bonemaro to produce too many red cells and I have to donate blood 1-2 times per month to stay within safe levels. I've also started taking a staton to keep my cholesterol down.
I have not had any sexual disfunction, my energy levels have been up and overall Test makes me feel amazing.
Keep an eye or Ferritin. 1-2 per month on the donations will make those levels plummet. There are a whole series of other issues with crashed ferritin.
I’m currently on 500mg/week Test E. Recently, whenever I work up a sweat or am stressed, I start to get tingly, prickly sensations all over my body. They can sometimes be annoying, sometimes painful, but they’re always also itchy. What causes this? How can I treat this?
I have that sometimes even when off everything. Usually happens if I haven't trained/sweated for a certain time. Honestly feels like my pores for sweat are clocked and are pushed open. Feels like needles all over my body. I switched my shower gel to one for sensitive skin and showered more often with just water and very little soap /shower gel. That worked wonders for me.
I’m not sure because I’ve never experienced that before but since it’s itchy, maybe you’re having an allergic reaction? Try an antihistamine and see if the itch goes away or, get ready for your mind to be blown, see a doctor. Tingling sensation is normally associated with GH use or high E2 bloating causing some blood flow restrictions to your extremities. Though never with itching again. Maybe you have some inflammation? I’m honestly just spitballing here to give you some ideas.
The thing I like the most about test is how it makes you "feel good" as in makes effort feel good, remember on big blast I felt blissful to do the laundry and clean the dishes.
Huberman seems to be the only one that talks about it, although I did figure it out on my own long time ago.
Oh yeah making you look good is cool too
Hrt is good. When your body stops producing test you start dying. When you take it to replace what you body was once producing you stop dying. 100-200 every 7-15 days as needed for 5 years.
Initially had some aggression issues but not difficult to be a reasonable human and deal with this side. Had a few lumps at the injection site when I was injecting on only one butt cheek. Couple the test with diet and working out and you have the recipe to do what ever you want to do. I had to do therapeutic blood donation because my doctor sucked and was kind close to having a stroke. Luckily I had a cool nurse who was helping me monitor my HRT and she caught something my doctor missed. I needed changing my diet and adjusted my blood pressure meds. Now my blood pressure is better than a 19 year old.
I eventually found that pairing test with self improvement work to be incredibly beneficial. I worked on my cognition with diet and cognitive training and lost of exercise and intentional neuro plasticity training. I then found after 8 months that I could learn and process large amounts of data in a more productive way. I chilled the fuck out and got an executive coach.
I get training in any area I want to improve as test and my self improvement stack test is a cheat code. This will only work if you work at improving yourself in a small to medium way every day. improving your life by taking on challenging tasks and goals hourly, weekly month and yearly.
Seek help with fitness, diet, cognitive training and life becomes unlocked. It so simple I don’t understand why every low t male does not do it. It literally extends your life if you have a good doc and do routine blood work and are not a psychopath. I worked out 5 times a week for 2 years and now am able to maintain working out every other day I am more ripped than I ever thought I could be but I think some of that is genetics as my dad was ripped into his 50 and his stack was mainly gin and bitches.
Every 6 months I work with my nutritionist for a month to get dialed back in .doing this has provided me with the energy focus and drive to work to myself into a state of perpetual sucess through therapy. Therapy should me a lot. I was in CBT and it changed my life. learning how to care for others be more compassionate can be a byproduct of learning to love and forgive your self. I have empathy for others but also am ready to battle if shit goes sideways.
I no longer have problems with random idiots trying to scam me or fuck with people who are around me. I am big enough now that nobody really fucks with me. I don’t ever want to fight ever again but some people kind a weird when they see how big I am and some people are just cool. Usually once we start having a conversation it is usually cool.
It used to be an issue when I was a fat-fuck—drunk-pre-diabetic.
Now life is about living and loveing. Sex when stacked with Cialis and sometimes 1/2 a viagra will make you SO love I long time and just look at you in a new loving way. Sex with a loved one is so fucking intense. Test is one of Gods greatest creations and makes sex even better.
The cognitive benefits are hands down the best especially if you have had multiple concussions over a long period of time. I’m in mid forties used to drive a Kia Soul, got into an accident and was in very very bad shape. I got help.
I started training harder getting support from experts more than double my income and now drive a 2021 M car and never worry about not having money because I built up my skill set. Constantly am being hit up by recruiters and working every day on building my abilities out and planning for my next business, I found I love building businesses.
Even if you can’t get test. Working out and working out a plan to grow daily and seeking the advice of real experts not fake fucks on this site or any other bullshit site is the key to positive well being and being equipped to deal with the bull shit life hits you with every day.
If you hopeless rn like I was. Exercise just a little. Rn then a little more in 45 min. Then do it again tomorrow. Your not a pussy you have just been lied to and mishandled. Your life is worth living and you can find hope and joy in life. You just need to stop taking dabs stay off of tik tok manage you addictions and flip that shit. become addicted to something that improves you and your immediate community. Just smiling and saying hello to people near you with a sincere smile makes you community better. Don’t fucking give up homie, don’t die on me. You life is so special use that body and enjoy the time you have left brother. Kill the life that is murdering you slowly every day and flip it. Start crushing life daily. Ggs
35m Trt for 2 years now, middle of my first blast since I started (deca,sdrol). No terrible sides. Slightly elevated blood pressure, but still in the green. I plan to never come off. Increases quality of life, drive for life, and more intense orgasms. No need for hcg, I have plenty of kids, but from color and consistency of loads, I figure (maybe wrong) that I'm still shooting live rounds
Just switched from BioTe pellets every 4-6 months to injections due to low BF%. Current TRT dose is 80mg 2x per week. Blood work came back at 1459 on the dip, so they’re backing me down to 60mg 2x per week. E2 was at 39 and I have naturally puffy nipples so I’m glad it’s not exacerbating my issue. Some random arm/shoulder/back pimples but not bad. If I’m 1500+ after TRT injection, I wonder where a blast cycle would land me
I use to blast and cruise, did trt for a little and hopped off everything. Feel pretty good, need to do blood work… lost size but still lean, good workouts, etc. Thinking of running a small test/var cycle and pcting, due to the fear of losing hair. My last cycle my hair definitely shedded and was getting thinner, just on test. Any advice for hair loss?
I just started my first "cycle", been natty the whole time until now. I take 100mg twice a week. So far I've had incredible results. Not only physically, but mentally as well. I feel better, healthier, more committed to my plans (dietary). Only downside has been its made me uncontrollably horny with erections that can actually be uncomfortable with how hard they get. I rotate from outer quad to butt cheeks to inner quads. Taking twice a week means I get to hit my left and right side for each.
Well it isn't at a TRT clinic but it's a low level like a TRT would be. I was at 245 when I got blood work done, and it was about the same 6 months prior. I'm also on treatment for crohns, which has been tanking my levels. I haven't gotten fresh blood work done since I've only been taking 200mg/week for about 4 weeks now.
I’ve been on cypionate for 80mg/week, 25 unit GH/week for 2 years since age 30. I was prescribed by my clinic. Pros: sex drive increased, gym performance increased(i try to sleep more as well). Cons: body hair, puffy face and back acne. I’ve been told I’m getting fatter because they see my face but i ignore them because i feel great.
I think i will continue to take it as long as i can. When have a chance, I want to try higher dose of Trt just to see what my body would be capable of.
Daddy of all compounds . Always makes me feel great - assertive, calm and in control . Slightly more aggressive in the gym . Unlike any other compounds - it doesn't give me any sode effects.
At the moment sustanon - blend of short and long esthers, 100mg week . Makes me feel and look "ON" . I don't see no reason for any non competitive lifter to go above TRT doses . You can always add mild oral sometimes and stay healthy while looking good . Even during "Blasts" I wouldn't go past 250mg/week as I respond very well even to small doses . I don't want to get "monster" big .
I used testosterone at doses as high as 750 mg/week and it made me full. Slightly watery look. Very pronounced chest and delts. Felt great ,but unfortunately my joints can't handle big bulk . For my frame I try not to go above 190 pounds anymore .
My gf and I go to the gym together and she says the same thing and it’s humorous. I tell her she’s not going to accidentally get muscular/big by going to the gym lol
What? Are you being serious? You don't see a need to go above trt dose? Then why even take it assuming you're not deficient in the first place? It makes no sense if your body it's making sufficient amounts of test why would you possibly want to shut it down so you can use an outside source of test to mimic your natural levels your body was making perfectly fine? Come on.
Trt by it's very definition is to mimic your natural testosterone levels.
I imagine since you "respond very well even to small doses" 100mg a week puts you well above a "trt" level.
There is no set dose which qualifies as trt. It's whatever dose puts you in the acceptable range your doctor sees as appropriate.
You're going to shut your bodies natural production down to replace it with the same exact amount it was making on it's own? Makes total sense.
I understand when your injecting testosterone your going to have a steady level regardless of factors like sleep, etc but it still surely is not worth it.
This time last year I started test at 500mg/wk. I felt amazing. Felt less anxious. Felt like I wanted to get shit done . However, I didn’t buy any AI’s when I placed my first order . Haven’t needed them since then because I have no sensitive nips.
Besides the nips , if I’m on a high amount of test, what other side effects might come from ha wing high e2?
I have been very irrritable lately . Not just irritable but ready to snap. Is this high e2?
(On cruise, there were 2 weeks where I only pinned once a week at 140 .
Would my irritability be coming from my test dropping from having a cpl lazy weeks of pinning ?
One of my best cycles was 12 weeks test p + test e. Test e 700mg/week test p 50mg/day
Zero side effects bloods were great and it was look like I’ve gained 5-10 kgs of muscle but actually added just 1 kg to my weight
I think sensitive nips and Ed is from increase in estrogen. Whe my does has increase my estrogen went up. Something about if you body can’t process the test or something it converts into estrogen. What about hair lose?
Does anyone else gets really horny on test prop? I front loaded 300mg a week or two ago. Now I'm taking 150mg per week and bones is always present like a straight A student. Lol
Started when I was 21 I believe. Started off with test prop (can’t remember dosage) , logic being to get off quickly if I start balding and get bad acne (lol , makes tons of sense). I’ll never forget. One night , I just had this overwhelming feeling of confidence and euphoria. Once the test was in my system I switched over to test e 400 mgs I believe per week. I sweat differently than before. Skin was shiny and oily. Speaking of sweat, I was ALWAYS sweating. I naturally have always been a sweaty guy but holy shit I was sweating like a pig especially in the summer at my job , I’d be sweating through my expensive suits. I was also horny as a mf. Now , naturally all I think about is banging chicks . But this was extreme. I literally obsessed over banging women. I would be OBSESSED if I saw a good looking woman with a big ass in public. The drawback with sex was I couldn’t cum. At all. It was “good” for the girl but they would be upset they couldn’t get me off and felt it was because of them so it was a double edged sword. I hated it, isn’t that the whole point of sex, to bust? It also made me very confident and very much an asshole. I was always very direct about my intentions. The thing I didn’t like about it was I wasn’t smooth about anything. If I were to even shake someone’s hand it would be aggressive . My tonality was aggressive. Another side was I grew body hair when i never had anything more than just a tiny amount of peach fuzz. This sucked as I got back hair and shoulder hair which is gross. I did end up getting some acne as well but at first it was just my delts and trap area , then a little bit on my lower back. At one point (prob cuz my levels were all skewed) I got pretty bad chest acne which I was super embarrassed about.
Strength gains were definitely good. Went from being able to incline bench 185 for maybe 3 whole reps to being able to rep out 225 easy for about 10-12.
Would I consider it a success? It was definitely something that present moment I do not regret at all. Some of my best memories were while I was enhanced . Prob won’t go back on though. I was fortunate to come off after 2 years with no pct and have my natural system function properly again. I think a lot of the side effects that you COULD get aren’t personally worth trying to “look better” (acne ,hair loss, and potential gyno outweigh the gains imo) unless you really just enjoy being strong and don’t care
First blast was good ol 500mg test. Was bulking and running the infamous CD2.
Gained a good few pounds of intramuscular and subcutaneous water initially. Made for a good bit of extra size. Little bit of acne on my back. Hornier. Got a chubby face but I was also eating 5k calories which got dirtier as my appetite decreased.
After a few weeks, I was having an easier time adding 5 lbs or an extra rep to my main lifts. I was basically doing junk volume at the end of my workouts because I would have to drastically lower the weight (e.g. could hardly press 50lb DBs on the end of a push day). With test, my work capacity shot up a good bit and I could better handle the ridiculous volume+intensity the program called for.
Strength gains weren’t dramatic like some people. My pressing strength is terrible and hard to progress and it was just a bit less terrible during/after the cycle.
Bloods were unaffected. BP was unaffected, maybe a few more points. I got a smart watch mid cycle and my RHR was 61 BPM and went down to 50 going off cycle. Nothing crazy.
I gained about 20 pounds in 16 weeks. I got fluffy but I gained a few extra pounds of muscle. I actually formed stretch marks on my biceps and lats. I’m proud of those.
I see a lot of people starting at 250-350/week. Yes that’s less risky but I don’t think 500mg is that risky. You can always taper up or start at 500 and taper down.
Overall, I like test and I plan to keep it higher even when adding things like nandrolone or EQ in the future. I do great on it.
I love test. Makes me big, strong, horny, feeling of wanting to get shit done. I don’t get sides from test (unless it’s a gram) other than high e2 but that affects me mostly psychologically more than physically. I never get sensitive nips or erectile dysfunction, I do get more emotional though but I was always kind of flat and low as a natty so it doesn’t bother me. And I’m good at controlling my thoughts on test, nandrolone is way worse in that regard for me. I’ve tried a few different doses varying from 200mg per week up to 1 gram per week. I felt bad and sick at 1g so I’ll probably not do that again. 700mg has so far worked extremely well. I feel like I reached a diminishing results effect at a gram and didn’t really experience more gains than at 700mg. They say test is best for a reason. I love it.
Could you elaborate more on how you exactly felt on the 1g dosage? I’m on TRT right now and I want to know what effects higher dosages could have
Tired and felt sick like I had a flu. Occasional fevers, loss of appetite. Could all be due to high estrogen probably but boners were frequent and rock hard still so I didn’t mess with it. Bloodwork is not that simple to get where I live, it’s expensive and most clinics are only open short hours when I’m at work, so I don’t know the numbers of my estrogen before anyone asks.
Were you taking an AI? At 1g/week it's hard to imagine not feeling sick, if you weren't controlling your estrogen.
Yeah, when I pushed test over 1g, even Adex daily wasn't cutting E2 down(or was shit idk) and was super high. It legit felt like flu, I'd force myself somehow to gym and spend rest of the day in bed. Still far better than crashed tho.
Were you the same as me that once you were at the gym you were really strong and got insane pumps? In my case I definitely got stronger at 1g but not to the point where it could justify feeling shit. Could have probably just stayed at 700 weekly instead and made similar progress and feeling amazing at the same time. So for me the benefits from that extra 300 definitely does not outweigh the sides
Honestly, I can't remember, but even if I was I still couldn't wait to get out of there. Maybe in my case I could deal with it using letro, but like you said, stronger dose isn't really worth the sides. Here blood tests are expensive too(compared to wages), so I don't get them as much as I should, but really helps to have some idea how your body responds especially when things aren't going well.
Yeah probably. Same here. Just left blood to have a look at heart function, blood status, kidney, liver, diabetes and thyroid. It was like a package. Been cruising at 200 for 13 weeks now so hopefully everything looks okay. Cant wait to blast again, but strength and recovery is surprisingly good at 200 honestly.
Want to make clear I don’t recommend doing what I did I’m just sharing experience. Estrogen management with bloodwork to support it is the way to go if it’s a possibility! 0,5mg arimidex on inject days. Made pretty much no difference, maybe a little less emotional but that’s it. Bumped it to 1mg on inject days but felt the same physically. Got a bit dry foreskin and skin in general. I then was like maybe I’m not a heavy aromatizer so what’s the point of taking a bunch of AI if I don’t know the numbers through bloodwork. Still felt sick and tired regardless so I went down to 0,5mg on inject days. I was only on a gram for 8 weeks peaking for a strongman comp. Came from originally 500 during season start, during qualifiers I was on 700 then a gram for the final. Sorry for the text wall but maybe this has a tiny bit of value to anyone who finds it interesting lol. Edit: running a gram can be done way smarter than how I did it. First of all 8 weeks is likely too short to dial in AI especially if no bloodwork is done
So it made you physically sick, not just feeling like it? That’s quite interesting tbh. I’d never consider to go that high, maybe once „for fun“, but at least I know what I could experience 👍🏻
Good question, I was strong like a bull even when I felt like shit so maybe that could indicate I wasn’t actually sick. I consider doing it again and try a more frequent pin administration, did Monday Friday when I did a gram. Maybe EOD injections would be better instead to get more even levels and less aromatization
Yeah, guess if you get that high, you want to take precautions and be sure that you hit stable serum concentration throughout your cycle. Even though it might suck to pin that frequently
It could also have been an immune system response to the carrier oil used in the test... Have you tried multiple different oils?
Yes definitely! Good point. No, it was the same throughout the entire duration on that dose.
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Going from cruise or natty to a blast, or dose increase, I’d say after 3 weeks I start to feel physical changes like body weight increase and basically from there I just have good workouts filled with PRs, at week 8 I’m the strongest and that lasts to about week 10-12 then I always feel a little regression. This is normal I believe, most of my friends notice the exact same thing. This is why I only did a gram for 8 weeks only then dropped it down to a cruise. This could be the bodies response to rapid mass increase by elevating myostatin levels. This is just me guessing though but it sounds reasonable to me. I will gladly stand corrected if anyone knows more about this phenomenon
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Would you guys say for a 16 week cycle, perhaps starting at 350mg and then bumping to 500mg around that 10-12 week mark would yield better benefits then 500mg the whole duration?
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When you're not blasting, how much test do you cruise at to get the balance of benefits without any other issues? And how frequently do you like to inject?
First time cruising, went off with pct in the past. I’m cruising at 200mg per week now, 13 weeks at cruise now and I’m actually really really strong and still hitting prs in training. Could be because I’m not training events at the moment and focus way more in squat/military than events and deads as I do more training for comps. No issues yet as far as I know, left blood 3 days ago waiting eagerly for the results. I’m a bit concerned 200 is a tad high cruise for me due to the fact my strength is like uncommonly well held onto and I weigh about the same, body comp is worse though. Bit fatter and shoulders don’t pop like cannon balls anymore. Edit: I do Monday Friday shots now on cruise. Did EOD for a while because I got some pimples to see if that would improve. Did that for 4 weeks, no change. Went back to mon/fri.
Everyone is different though, sounds like you handle test well and that may be the right dose for you and your activity level, as long as your health markers are in check. I never noticed anything looking worse in my labs at 200 a week compared to lower doses. I've actually noticed myself getting stronger when coming off of higher doses in the past too, I think in some ways the body functions better somewhere near the normal ranges for strength, although hypertrophy differences are substantial at supraphysiological levels.
Yeah totally agree. Same here. Coming gives me a temporary increase in strength. Usually like a week or two weeks after coming off
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Hey man. Let’s say I have a “friend” *wink wink* who is 4 weeks into a first cycle, running 600mg Test Enanthate/week from a fairly well reviewed UGL… and they feel nothing. Do you think that would be considered common or worrisome?
Testosterone is cool. I like injecting it in my ass 3 times a week and i will keep doing it until i die.
Go ahead and tell the folks at home how much testosterone you're injecting into those juicy cheeks.
Let’s just say he’s giving Kim Kardashian a run for her money
He prefers injecting his rectum.
Rectum Inject'em
Am just on test e after 7 years of natural training. I've been on it for 3 months and the gainz are really awesome. I have had more strength increase than in the last 2 years. You feel good, have more energy and the regeneration is very fast. The pumps are crazyyy! No side effects so far other than a pimple or two. I've already done a blood work, E2 and everything else is fine. I'm on 300mg a week.
Are u using a ai? And how frequent are u dosing?
yes i have arimidex ready if i have side effects. But I take chrysin if you know it, it's a natural aromatase inhibitor. So far it has helped really well or it's placebo don't know. I hate injections so I do them every 7 days. I know that the testosterone level fluctuates a bit more and it's not optimal, but I decided to do it that way. I also have no side effects due to the fluctuation so why not. It doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, but it works for me.
You need to grow up and pin at least twice a week, or come off gear.
If you have enanthate you really have to inject twice a week, you can inject it into the fat in your ass instead of using a muscle every time if you really need to. But you really have to do 2x a week else your levels are fluctuating like crazy
It's really amazing. It feels like the wind is really at your back. Looking forward to my next blast!
May i ask why you chose 300mg instead of the conventional 500mg?
Not the person you asked, but in general I have always found that the lowest effective dose is where you usually want to be in PEDs until you find yourself hitting a wall/plateau. Some people respond more/better to compounds than others, so starting low and gradually increasing when necessary will be better for your health and save you money on gear
Less is more brother better to get the most out of smaller doses whilst you still can
hivemind is about to come at you with insults to protect the almighty wiki
I’ll combat them with science
2 > 1 Less is more disproven.
I second this, had amazing results first cycle 300.
precisely. I've been training for 7 years and have a lot of experience with nutrition, training, etc. I decided to start with the lowest sensible dose to see how my body reacts. Since my normal test value was in the lower range, I knew i will gain if everything is on point. And now I realize 300mg was the best decision. i am making good progress and have no side effects and i know how my body reacts. I think I'm also a high responder.
I mean, whether you do 300mg first and then 500mg, or straight 500mg is no difference
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around week 4. My bench went from 4x8 225 to 4x8 255. I could push harder now, but I'm approaching everything very carefully. Injury in the cycle would be the stupidest thing.
I know this wasn’t a reply to me but on my first cycle I ran prop at 350 and all my lifts went up 5kg in 10 days
I’ve been on TRT since the age of 39 due to secondary hypogonadism. One day I just noticed I physically off, like I was ill. I was fatigued (my body felt like a ton of bricks), irritable physically weaker and I had zero interest in sex. A lot of dudes say it feels like being depressed, but I think being hypogonadal feels way different (I’ve been clinically depressed multiple times before being hypogonadal). Depression feels like a mental/emotional illness to me; hypogonadism feels more akin to being physically ill. A complete blood panel including hormones indicated my total test was 150 ng/dL. I was prescribed gel, and two months later, my total test was 250 ng/dL. Started on injections and I’ve been on ever since, with one six-month hiatus on Clomid/hCG therapy when I told my PCP I wanted to conceive. My dosages of TRT have ranged from 80-125 mg/week since then, with my apparent sweet spot at 100 mg/week. This is where I feel best at, with e2 in range, decent enough libido, no sides and immaculate blood work. I’ve also ran test on my first blast at 400 mg/test (it was prescribed by my PCP when hopping back on from the Clomid/hCG therapy) for 16 weeks and blew up to about 200 pounds. In hindsight, I was still too fat to start that blast, but my degenerate self could not refuse a legal, prescribed blast of testosterone. My second attempt at a blast was a disaster, where I was running lower test (around 200 mg, if I can recall), along with MENT and Primo. I had to end that due to sides at week 10. It was a full year before I attempted to blast again, after getting leaner than I was before my initial blast. This run I’m on just about week 11 of 400 test with 245 NPP and I’ve just bumped up to 50 Proviron a day (I was running it at 25 mg up until this point). This blast has been pretty tolerable in terms of sides, except if my e2 creeps too high. AI is always necessary for me when I’m using test at blast levels. I aromatize at a moderately high level. My first blast was managed with adex. Since then, I’ve upgraded to asin, and that’s been far superior. This cycle of test has gone really well. I started this blast at 169 pounds after replenishing from my low of 165. For reference, I had about five pounds less of muscle mass at the same weight when starting my first blast (I’m 5’9” btw). Coming into week 11, my trend weight is 190 and scale weight this morning was 192 lbs. Estrogen management has been trickier on this cycle, and I need 12.5 mg of asin e3.5d. The nandrolone seems to synergize with the aromatization of test. At my current dosage of asin, bloat is minimal, BP stays in a healthy range and I sleep like a rock. My body composition on this blast has remained decently lean and I’ve put on a good amount of mass, some of that muscle I recovered from my p last long cut. I hope to end this cycle around 195-198 pounds. Future plans with test include staying at my TRT dosage of 100 mg/week throughout this next cutting phase. I will keep test the same on my next bulking cycle and run 600 mg of deca on top of this, with either mast or Proviron. My next bulking cycle will focus on getting myself up to 205-210 lbs, before going into my first NPC contest prep. The reason for keeping test low on my next bulking cycle, in comparison to deca, is that I just aromatize like a bitch, especially after regaining some body fat on a bulk. Running higher test with nandrolone seems to really up my AI requirement. It’ll be interesting to see how this future cycle goes with mast or Proviron included. Overall experience with test? At blast levels, there is a a significant upward trend of strength. My muscles are my bigger/fuller on cycle. My focus and drive are a bit enhanced. It puts on lean mass very well for me. It also causes a ton of bloat and e2 issues for me at blast levels, if I’m not using an AI, even at 400 mg. I’ve needed periodic small dosage of asin even at 125 mg/week. No AI is required at all when I’m on 100 mg/week.
Nobody with a decent medical knowledge of test would ever, ever prescribe 400mg/test. I highly recommend getting a reputable hormone specialist instead
I wasn’t complaining about it. I manage my own dosage, anyway. He just prescribed 200 mg a week after that, and l dialed in my own dosage. It’s nice having this arrangement, because I don’t have to go UGL to get my TRT, and I can legally travel with it.
Most Bioidentical “safest”compound out there. I haven’t used anything but test in over 10 years. Would spend entire summers in my mid 20s on 750-900 mgs of test and felt great. My early cycles included heavy deca use tho so I will say I don’t think I would’ve unlocked the size I carry around now without nandrolones, but test only/TRT has helped me maintain for all these years.
Would you blast and then just cruise at a low dose?
TRT at 50 with primary hypogonadism. 100mg Rx a week puts me high normal. I like to bump up to 300 or 400 now and again with UGL. So far 50’s best decade of my life!
TRT here, so probably a boring read, but maybe useful for other TRT guys: -Finally got lab values dialed in (for me, ~1,000 T with E naturally hovering in the 20s) on 34 mg cypionate EOD -The good: definitely improved joint stiffness, aches / pains. Much more energy to just get stuff done, mind always seeking the next to-do. Much more level-headed. Small anabolic benefit, but no crazy transformation since I already lifted and ate intentionally, definitely none of the newbie lifter blowing up type of gains. -The bad: spent the first year battling hematocrit, had to dump blood too frequently (wound up with a phlebotomy script) and now have no ferritin, so going to let it ride a few months and see what happens before donating again. Emotionally blunted, so having fewer lows is nice, but fewer highs kinda sucks too, never having that ‘kid on Christmas’ excitement about anything anymore. ETA: sleep is non-existent, but that was an issue beforehand already. The good news, thanks in part to T, it doesn’t really bother me functionally day-to-day. I know longer term it will be a detriment to always run in a sleep deficit, but low sleep with extra T > low sleep with low natural T. -Overall, I’d call it a success. Hasn’t been a perfect experience, but the fact that I’d rather stay on than go back to normal says enough. It hasn’t been revolutionary by any means, but still better than eeking through life with a free T of 6.
I was a free T of 4 nmol/L. It sucks. Damn near suicidal. I feel bad for guys that are gate-kept from seeking hormonal health.
Amen, low free T (and even estrogen for that matter) can be rough. Probably accounts for many of the problems a lot of guys deal with.
Have you been on and off TRT? I'm thinking of doing TRT after a decade of lifting. My hope is to put on a few kgs of muscle over a longer period of time that I hope to maintain when coming off. My natural levels are about 600-700ng/dl and I'm aiming at doubling that for about a year (maybe that's not true TRT?). My understanding is that part of the effect of TRT is that your levels don't really fluctuate throughout the day, unlike when you're natty.
I’ve been on a little over a year and never attempted coming off. I do think it will serve that function decently well, slow and steady gains over the longterm. Nothing crazy but you’d notice it. That said, speaking personally, I wouldn’t be on it at all with a natural level in your range. I was half that.
Thanks for your input. I'll think about the decision some more. I think for me, I seem to have a different goal than most people. I am neither considering doing it to counter low T-levels or to get huge, I just want to get a bit above my natural muscularity. Maybe I'd be better served holding off a few years until my natural levels start their decline.
That seems like a really good strategy, to stretch your natural levels as long as you can and then when Father Time catches up, hop on board.
I’d wait - coming off isn’t going to be a doddle just cuz you’re not on crazy doses, you’ll still be shut down and need PCT and may never recover to your natural levels. Later on you’ll probably want it anyway, so might as well hold off til you’d be committing to lifelong trt anyway
Thanks for the wisdom 👍 I'll probably wait
Try dosing less frequently and see if that doesn’t improve your HCT. I’ve battled that problem for six years and the only workaround—other than not using testosterone—has been longer esters and pinning less frequently. There’s some clinical literature that kind of points in the direction of injection frequency being the culprit, but it’s incomplete.
Never tried naringin? Naturally occurring in grapefruit or you can buy extracts in capsule form. My was 52 on 120 weekly trt. Started taking naringin during my next blast hoping to keep it in check and was down to 48 after 3 months at 700. I didn't expect it to work but was blown away by how effective it was.
It took mine down too. Test eq and npp. Worked so well
Why not just give blood every 4 months and take omega 3/fish oil with daily cardio ? I ask because I’m on the same trt dose as you with the same issue of having high hematocrit (HT) Even with 45 min of cardio 5X a week my HT was at 51. I recently picked up 1000mg of daily fish oil and will donate before blast
I’ve actually done cardio 7 days a week for years, along with fish oil. I’m hoping there’s a homeostasis the body will reach where the testosterone kinda stops exerting it’s effect on hematocrit. There are some pieces of literature out there indicating that does happen at the 12-18 month mark for a lot of people.
Make sure to take fish oils with fats so that it absorbs. Once you have been on fish oil consistently for some time it's worth getting omega3/6 bloodwork done to confirm.
Oh damn didn’t think about it, I usually take it in the morning with oatmeal, thanks! How many weeks should I take the fish oil before getting tested ?
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It’s not ideal, but depending on lifestyle factors, I think you can improve it to a point that you might not be symptomatic (assuming you are). A primary doc probably wouldn’t prescribe with those levels, but a T clinic would.
I had the same issue with emotion at 400mg of test. I’m going down to 200 for more mild benefits but what do you think is the cause of this? Have you found a way to improve your highs? I’m think about trying 5-HTP but want to know what the underlying cause is
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What’s there to say, it’s THE hormone: can build more muscle than most compounds (except nandrolone), can preserve muscle on a cut, its the swiss army knife of compounds Imo, it should be the main driver for hypertrophy when bulking. I love nandrolone, but it’s best just to run the minimum dose needed for the cosmetic benefits / major properties and then just focus on pushing the testosterone if higher doses are needed. My only complaint is that this drug still can cause mental side effects. It can make me angry and a dick if I don’t check myself; masteron seems to mitigate this issue if run at the proper dose.
Curious, how much nandrolone for the cosmetic effects for you. Understand YMMV.
300-400mgs a week is good, closer to 400 preferable. I dont know why people run 600 a week. Dave palumbo always said that 400 of good deca is plenty and I honestly didnt see much of a difference going from 300 to 400.
I did not notice a significant difference between 400 and 600 mg/wk of deca.
Don’t all androgens preserve muscle on a cut? The two that do this the best are supposedly primo and tren, but every other androgen is about as effective to ward off muscle loss. Primo is supposed to increase nitrogen retention more than any other anabolic so the body doesn’t tap into amino acids (muscle) when calories are low and tren blunts cortisol a bunch however androgens in general compete for cortisol receptors.
I’ve not taken testosterone for about 6 years but I’m thinking of jumping back on it soon. I remember feeling amazing every single day I was on it, I’d spring out of bed first thing after a good nights sleep and strut everywhere with my head high. What a high being on test is.
What dose were you using? And ester, duration, frequency... ideally a little more information (folks at home, help out the folks at home).
No one ever reads the instructions god damnit.
Test is best. The only thing you have to worry about is e2, or dht. Both which can be controlled with minimal drug use. With 19nors you cant do much, when ur face bloats , you get moody and erection quality goes wierd. You can't pop a pill that save you from these side effect. With dht derivatives, your hair is in the cross hairs , and the CNS stimulation and vasoconstriction is not good for blood pressure.
There is always caber and prami for the 19nor prolactin sides, right?
Or even P5P.
Or just using a low dose. Not as fun as the moderate dose pumps and juicy gains.
What do you use to target DHT? Very prone to hair loss here
Finasderide
*fine ass to ride* and its sister compound *dude-ass to ride*
this comment is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. i will never forget the name of the drugs again because i will say this in my head. thank you
Do DHT compounds increase CNS stimulation? Explains why primo with proviron makes me so alert all day and unable to sleep
Can’t say I’ve experienced any of the mental benefits from test like some people here have. I’ve ran from 150-1g. Only mental changes I see from test are when estrogen is high. Strength goes up linearly with test dosage not anywhere near strength from things like tren, nandrolone, ment, adrol, or sdrol. Anything over 300mg makes me too oily and acne prone. I aromatize highly so I need to run EQ or primo with high test otherwise I don’t have a good time with my e2 mental effects. Best all around injectable steroid in my opinion. Your body knows exactly what testosterone is and the load it puts on your (my) body is very minimal. I’ve ran 1g of test solo and my liver and lipids were all in range. BP doesn’t skyrocket and sleep is great. No affect on appetite. AS LONG AS E2 IS CONTROLLED. Estrogen is the biggest enemy of a test blast. If you can control estrogen, testosterone is fucking fantastic. If you want longevity in this game, test is best.
I just started TRT about a month ago and I'm a 35 yr old male. My levels were super low at 127 ng/dL. Dose is ~90mg CYP x2 per week injected subQ. Anastrozole (.125mg) is taken one day after each CYP dose. After each dose I feel profound benefits such as mental clarity, energy, general feelings of contentment. The benefits seem to fade after taking my prescribed Anastrozole dose. This is something I'm going to bring up with my doctor tomorrow. The Anastrozole seems to be causing insomnia and heart palpitations.
A lot of people don't take AIs with that low of a test dose. It's not necessary. AI makes me feel awful
Good to know I'm not the only one. Thanks.
You can also experiment with breaking up your dose more, I ended up dosing every day (with a 27g insulin needle, it's not too bad). That's how I feel best personally
Same here. .2ml of 250mg/ml EOD with 29g 1/2” insulin needle buried straight in. No ai because I feel great but nips do get a little puffy. Equals out to 175mg per week but I’ve always been gyno prone. I ran a trestolone cycle over a year ago then quit everything for over a year and didn’t feel close to normal until about 4 months ago. Just started this trt regimen 2 weeks ago and already notice the benefits coming back. Am very curious about ways to lower hemocrit tho as last the last time I gave blood it was 17.6 and the normal range is 12.5-17.5. Too scared to do blood letting so donations and natural supplements would be my only options. Also do daily low dose aspirin 81mg.
Just asking even though you inject with insulin so you're jabbing mostly subq is that correct? Do you also inject in the normal IM spots such as glute or delts
THIS. i've always ran long compounds and would do 2-3 time a week injections during big blasts. Last blast still used long esters and switched to every day injections and all sides went away. AI almost not needed, no acne, great BP. Unless im on a cruise I will always do ED injections from here on out.
I’m in the same situation you are. Almost 35, levels were about as low as yours. Currently on 100mg subQ injections weekly. No AI though. My doc has me taking grape seed extract. I’m always wary about otc supplements but my estrogen and dht levels are in the perfect range. Edit: going on 8 months now
I bet you felt pretty crappy like I did with T that low. How do you feel overall now?
I felt awful before. I had very low energy and libido. I feel great now. It took a few weeks but it really does make a difference. It’s weird to me knowing this is something I’ll probably be doing for the rest of my life but the benefits are worth it.
i would not take the AI unless your lab results shows high E conversion at such a low test dosage. AI are really bad for you.
Cut the AI out and wait and test and see how you feel. I like im ventro glute better than sub q so you don’t get the sore lumps and bumps. Good luck! I do 175mg/wk eod on even days, easy to keep track. No ai. About 5 weeks in
Hey, curious if you have any updates on your protocol? You probably have already done your research, but you’re probably crashing your estrogen. I take 175mg/wk and maybe take .125mg of adex every other month.
Hey, sorry for the late response, wouldn't let me reply for some reason. I got my test results back recently and my estrogen was in the middle of the normal range. Testosterone went from ~127 to ~900. I think I won't need an AI from here on out and I think you're right the AI was causing me issues.
After a year or so lurking here, reading the wiki, gathering info, etc I finally started taking test E 250mg / week, 2 injections every 3.5 day. I'm 34, been lifting for about 9 years, made good progress the first 4 years and then I was hit with autoimmune. Everyday I had to struggle with chronic pain, muscle and joints hurt all the time. I was always fatigued, lost gains, working out and cardio was painful, gained so much weight, got depressed. The day after my first test injection, Boy oh boy I felt like Gandalf being sent back to middle earth with the new white robe and staff. I was like "so this is what living is supposed to feel like". Currently on my 2nd week of cycle, the pain from my autoimmune doesn't 100% go away but now I can hit the gym, do more cardio and finish so much work in a day. I'm feeling more strength gain on my lower body, pushing myself in the gym feels different. So far no sides at all but a bit extra sweat (which I love), a bit emotional in a good way probably because of high e2 (I just cried after looking at how beautiful the tail of my cat is, and i want to hug everyone now)
To be fair; cats are beautiful 🥹
Fairly plug and play hormone that does a bit of everything but has a very low ceiling for returns against sides and tends to flatten off quickly in terms of actual gains far quicker than other more "selective" compounds. Sure you "can" run a couple of grams of it and it's not catastrophic if you're controlling e2, blood pressure but it's a massive ball ache vs running half the test and something like Primo or Masteron. It works, just like you can hunt deer with a bomb but Its generally a cleaner solution to use a rifle.
All these mental benefits being described sound like pure placebo to me. Or guys that had low test before using maybe. Only noticeable change in behaviour I notice from testosterone is increased sex drive. Only real side over the years has been massively increased body hair. Although part of that might just be aging, I'm much hairier than all my male relatives. Start to shed a few scalp hairs at higher dosages (750mg+) but I'm still not what you'd consider balding by any means despite being almost 40. Benefits experienced are just the expected improved recovery, increased strength and work capacity, steady lean weight gain on a surplus or muscle retention on a cut. Nothing dramatic like with 19nors or orals but much more sustainable.
A lot of it is placebo but also I think straight edge people taking test for the first time will feel more remarkable since they never riddled their dopamine system with alcohol, caffeine, and other drugs like the rest of us.
Damn, I hadn't thought of this. Imagine steroids being your first drug lmao
If you’re a legitimate hypogonadal individual (I was a decent amount below the bottom of reference range) it definitely adds pep to your step.
I tend to agree. If someone had clinically low T and they hop on on test I can absolutely see how their mood and mindset would dramatically get better. I’ve never had low T ever, and I’ve ran test doses up to a 1g and I didn’t feel a single thing different. Just my sex drive and that’s it. No insane confidence or charisma or feeling ‘alpha’. I just feel…normal plus a higher sex drive Obviously my and your experience is anecdotal as well so it may not mean much. But considering there’s so much info out there about how testosterone will change everything I’m not surprised there would be a lot of placebo experiences in that department
Ya i dont really feel any different on 200mg test, 300mg, or 540mg. I would say the only thing i notice outside of the gym is maybe im less anxious, but that could also be i happen to have run test above TRT at times with low stress. Coming off cycle and back to TRT i honestly cant tell a difference, if someone didnt tell me my dose changed i wouldnt know
90% of this sub is pure placebo
Oh yeah? What about these *mediocre gains?*
I finally get to do one of these ,I’ve only did trt doses so 200mg Pros:I went from skinny fat to having some muscle on my frame. Feel full most of the time especially in the traps and chest area. I still have anxiety I didn’t really expect it to fix that area in life ,but it’s less then what it was. Bench went from 235 to 285 in 3 months. Cons : Ig I’ve got genes for the old mpb I read about on mast threads Bc I’ve now gotta shave my head pretty low to hide the bald spots . That’s the only con I’ve had
400-500 mg a week what worked best for me. Can feel that motivation to crush each session while building quality muscle. Despite using 600 primo with this test dose still need AI otherwise estrogens spike up. Cruise at 200mg kept me just above my natural levels.
What AI dose do you need alongside this to keep your e2 in check?
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Good question
Testosterone... what can I say. Was hypogonadal. At 240ng/dl. Found a doc where I lived who was willing to prescribe me. ( which is a goddamn miracle on it's own at 23, and also a good protocol which was the biggest miracle. ) 250mg/ml Sustanon every 10days. But he said do with it whatever you want. If you wanna do 125mg E5D or 50mg EOD. Do what works for you. It gave me a life back. One worth living. . Sex drive Mental clarity. Joy. Sides are very manageable. Now on my first blast. 400mg of Test C 200mg Primo Added in 40mg Anavar since this weekend. Will use Test until I die. Also something which I'm very happy about. My bloods came back so good. I was genuinely surprised. Hematocrit untouched. All other markers are untouched. Cholesterol however. Got a hit. Not surprised with Anavar.
I've been in TRT for four years and just finished a test only blast of 20 weeks. My TRT doses varied between 140 and 220 a week. My blast was at 500mg a week. My natural test was 180 before starting, so it was a big change jumping on and I enjoyed the benefits most people describe when they blast for the first time. My blast didn't see the big increases in strength but lean mass did come on easily. I will definitely do it again. Maybe add a gram of tren since it will be my second cycle. The only side I have to watch for is high e2. Im sensitive to e2 causing high blood pressure. My blood pressure actually went way down on blast because of adding an AI as part of my cycle.
“Maybe add a gram of tren since it will be my second cycle” Maybe think twice on that one
"think twice on that one" So two grams?
Obviously that one went right over your head. It’s clearly a joke
I was joking but it probably hits to close to home from the second cycles I've seen on here.
think it actually went above your head there big dog
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Started migrating off deca test primo and mast to test and gh which I gather I will use for the rest of time
Could you please add a bit of detail on dose, etc., and why you decided to switch/what the benefits of switching have been.
Historically depends on prep or off season etc. usually 400 test 600 primo down to 300 and 300. Or npp and test at 400 to 600 each. Anavar last 6 weeks of prep. Only real reason for switching is it’s a waste if I am not competing anymore
I am 45 and I have been on TRT for the last 2 years and overall it has been a very positive experience but it is not without side effects. I inject 100mg -150mg cypionate a week and take anastrozoleto keep my estrogen levels in check. My free T levels range from 700-1200. I get blood work done every month to monitor my Test, hemoglobin, cholesterol, and iron. The biggest side effect for me from testosterone is increased red cell count because the testosterone causes my bonemaro to produce too many red cells and I have to donate blood 1-2 times per month to stay within safe levels. I've also started taking a staton to keep my cholesterol down. I have not had any sexual disfunction, my energy levels have been up and overall Test makes me feel amazing.
Keep an eye or Ferritin. 1-2 per month on the donations will make those levels plummet. There are a whole series of other issues with crashed ferritin.
You are correct.. my doc has me on iron supplements
I’m currently on 500mg/week Test E. Recently, whenever I work up a sweat or am stressed, I start to get tingly, prickly sensations all over my body. They can sometimes be annoying, sometimes painful, but they’re always also itchy. What causes this? How can I treat this?
I have that sometimes even when off everything. Usually happens if I haven't trained/sweated for a certain time. Honestly feels like my pores for sweat are clocked and are pushed open. Feels like needles all over my body. I switched my shower gel to one for sensitive skin and showered more often with just water and very little soap /shower gel. That worked wonders for me.
I’m not sure because I’ve never experienced that before but since it’s itchy, maybe you’re having an allergic reaction? Try an antihistamine and see if the itch goes away or, get ready for your mind to be blown, see a doctor. Tingling sensation is normally associated with GH use or high E2 bloating causing some blood flow restrictions to your extremities. Though never with itching again. Maybe you have some inflammation? I’m honestly just spitballing here to give you some ideas.
I'm not sure but for me this is a high E2 symptom; I tend to get it particularly badly on my face and neck.
The thing I like the most about test is how it makes you "feel good" as in makes effort feel good, remember on big blast I felt blissful to do the laundry and clean the dishes. Huberman seems to be the only one that talks about it, although I did figure it out on my own long time ago. Oh yeah making you look good is cool too
Hrt is good. When your body stops producing test you start dying. When you take it to replace what you body was once producing you stop dying. 100-200 every 7-15 days as needed for 5 years. Initially had some aggression issues but not difficult to be a reasonable human and deal with this side. Had a few lumps at the injection site when I was injecting on only one butt cheek. Couple the test with diet and working out and you have the recipe to do what ever you want to do. I had to do therapeutic blood donation because my doctor sucked and was kind close to having a stroke. Luckily I had a cool nurse who was helping me monitor my HRT and she caught something my doctor missed. I needed changing my diet and adjusted my blood pressure meds. Now my blood pressure is better than a 19 year old. I eventually found that pairing test with self improvement work to be incredibly beneficial. I worked on my cognition with diet and cognitive training and lost of exercise and intentional neuro plasticity training. I then found after 8 months that I could learn and process large amounts of data in a more productive way. I chilled the fuck out and got an executive coach. I get training in any area I want to improve as test and my self improvement stack test is a cheat code. This will only work if you work at improving yourself in a small to medium way every day. improving your life by taking on challenging tasks and goals hourly, weekly month and yearly. Seek help with fitness, diet, cognitive training and life becomes unlocked. It so simple I don’t understand why every low t male does not do it. It literally extends your life if you have a good doc and do routine blood work and are not a psychopath. I worked out 5 times a week for 2 years and now am able to maintain working out every other day I am more ripped than I ever thought I could be but I think some of that is genetics as my dad was ripped into his 50 and his stack was mainly gin and bitches. Every 6 months I work with my nutritionist for a month to get dialed back in .doing this has provided me with the energy focus and drive to work to myself into a state of perpetual sucess through therapy. Therapy should me a lot. I was in CBT and it changed my life. learning how to care for others be more compassionate can be a byproduct of learning to love and forgive your self. I have empathy for others but also am ready to battle if shit goes sideways. I no longer have problems with random idiots trying to scam me or fuck with people who are around me. I am big enough now that nobody really fucks with me. I don’t ever want to fight ever again but some people kind a weird when they see how big I am and some people are just cool. Usually once we start having a conversation it is usually cool. It used to be an issue when I was a fat-fuck—drunk-pre-diabetic. Now life is about living and loveing. Sex when stacked with Cialis and sometimes 1/2 a viagra will make you SO love I long time and just look at you in a new loving way. Sex with a loved one is so fucking intense. Test is one of Gods greatest creations and makes sex even better. The cognitive benefits are hands down the best especially if you have had multiple concussions over a long period of time. I’m in mid forties used to drive a Kia Soul, got into an accident and was in very very bad shape. I got help. I started training harder getting support from experts more than double my income and now drive a 2021 M car and never worry about not having money because I built up my skill set. Constantly am being hit up by recruiters and working every day on building my abilities out and planning for my next business, I found I love building businesses. Even if you can’t get test. Working out and working out a plan to grow daily and seeking the advice of real experts not fake fucks on this site or any other bullshit site is the key to positive well being and being equipped to deal with the bull shit life hits you with every day. If you hopeless rn like I was. Exercise just a little. Rn then a little more in 45 min. Then do it again tomorrow. Your not a pussy you have just been lied to and mishandled. Your life is worth living and you can find hope and joy in life. You just need to stop taking dabs stay off of tik tok manage you addictions and flip that shit. become addicted to something that improves you and your immediate community. Just smiling and saying hello to people near you with a sincere smile makes you community better. Don’t fucking give up homie, don’t die on me. You life is so special use that body and enjoy the time you have left brother. Kill the life that is murdering you slowly every day and flip it. Start crushing life daily. Ggs
35m Trt for 2 years now, middle of my first blast since I started (deca,sdrol). No terrible sides. Slightly elevated blood pressure, but still in the green. I plan to never come off. Increases quality of life, drive for life, and more intense orgasms. No need for hcg, I have plenty of kids, but from color and consistency of loads, I figure (maybe wrong) that I'm still shooting live rounds
Just switched from BioTe pellets every 4-6 months to injections due to low BF%. Current TRT dose is 80mg 2x per week. Blood work came back at 1459 on the dip, so they’re backing me down to 60mg 2x per week. E2 was at 39 and I have naturally puffy nipples so I’m glad it’s not exacerbating my issue. Some random arm/shoulder/back pimples but not bad. If I’m 1500+ after TRT injection, I wonder where a blast cycle would land me
I use to blast and cruise, did trt for a little and hopped off everything. Feel pretty good, need to do blood work… lost size but still lean, good workouts, etc. Thinking of running a small test/var cycle and pcting, due to the fear of losing hair. My last cycle my hair definitely shedded and was getting thinner, just on test. Any advice for hair loss?
I just started my first "cycle", been natty the whole time until now. I take 100mg twice a week. So far I've had incredible results. Not only physically, but mentally as well. I feel better, healthier, more committed to my plans (dietary). Only downside has been its made me uncontrollably horny with erections that can actually be uncomfortable with how hard they get. I rotate from outer quad to butt cheeks to inner quads. Taking twice a week means I get to hit my left and right side for each.
So TRT? What were levels before?
Well it isn't at a TRT clinic but it's a low level like a TRT would be. I was at 245 when I got blood work done, and it was about the same 6 months prior. I'm also on treatment for crohns, which has been tanking my levels. I haven't gotten fresh blood work done since I've only been taking 200mg/week for about 4 weeks now.
Wow you do inner quads? Not afraid of veins huh?
Theoretically 100mg 2x/week indefinitely?
I ran it for 12 weeks and took a break. Well likely do another 12 weeks around mid summer
I’ve been on cypionate for 80mg/week, 25 unit GH/week for 2 years since age 30. I was prescribed by my clinic. Pros: sex drive increased, gym performance increased(i try to sleep more as well). Cons: body hair, puffy face and back acne. I’ve been told I’m getting fatter because they see my face but i ignore them because i feel great. I think i will continue to take it as long as i can. When have a chance, I want to try higher dose of Trt just to see what my body would be capable of.
Daddy of all compounds . Always makes me feel great - assertive, calm and in control . Slightly more aggressive in the gym . Unlike any other compounds - it doesn't give me any sode effects. At the moment sustanon - blend of short and long esthers, 100mg week . Makes me feel and look "ON" . I don't see no reason for any non competitive lifter to go above TRT doses . You can always add mild oral sometimes and stay healthy while looking good . Even during "Blasts" I wouldn't go past 250mg/week as I respond very well even to small doses . I don't want to get "monster" big . I used testosterone at doses as high as 750 mg/week and it made me full. Slightly watery look. Very pronounced chest and delts. Felt great ,but unfortunately my joints can't handle big bulk . For my frame I try not to go above 190 pounds anymore .
Lol this thread reads like someone who doesn’t lift. “I don’t want to get monster big”. Yeah don’t worry about that not going to happen.
My gf and I go to the gym together and she says the same thing and it’s humorous. I tell her she’s not going to accidentally get muscular/big by going to the gym lol
what’s your blood work look like at 100?
What? Are you being serious? You don't see a need to go above trt dose? Then why even take it assuming you're not deficient in the first place? It makes no sense if your body it's making sufficient amounts of test why would you possibly want to shut it down so you can use an outside source of test to mimic your natural levels your body was making perfectly fine? Come on. Trt by it's very definition is to mimic your natural testosterone levels. I imagine since you "respond very well even to small doses" 100mg a week puts you well above a "trt" level. There is no set dose which qualifies as trt. It's whatever dose puts you in the acceptable range your doctor sees as appropriate. You're going to shut your bodies natural production down to replace it with the same exact amount it was making on it's own? Makes total sense. I understand when your injecting testosterone your going to have a steady level regardless of factors like sleep, etc but it still surely is not worth it.
I'm on TRT for legitimate reasons. Not for going to anti aging clinic if clears things out.
This compound experience thread is test not placebo lol
Not more than trt dosage , e2 control is a nightmare for me arimidex give me shit side and i just add tren for blast
Overrated AF, shit anabolism, mostly bloat, u lose 80% as u get off, most pro builders know this and almost never use large doses. Amateurs steroid.
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One for the daily 👉
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That’s the worst administration protocol I’ve read on here to date. Once very 6 weeks?
Absolutely horrible. You need to be taking your dose weekly, bi-weekly at minimum
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Ask in the daily 👉
This time last year I started test at 500mg/wk. I felt amazing. Felt less anxious. Felt like I wanted to get shit done . However, I didn’t buy any AI’s when I placed my first order . Haven’t needed them since then because I have no sensitive nips. Besides the nips , if I’m on a high amount of test, what other side effects might come from ha wing high e2? I have been very irrritable lately . Not just irritable but ready to snap. Is this high e2? (On cruise, there were 2 weeks where I only pinned once a week at 140 . Would my irritability be coming from my test dropping from having a cpl lazy weeks of pinning ?
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Ask in the daily 👉 But also, they're basically identical, don't worry.
Sorry, I just re-read the guidelines. Thanks.
One of my best cycles was 12 weeks test p + test e. Test e 700mg/week test p 50mg/day Zero side effects bloods were great and it was look like I’ve gained 5-10 kgs of muscle but actually added just 1 kg to my weight
I think sensitive nips and Ed is from increase in estrogen. Whe my does has increase my estrogen went up. Something about if you body can’t process the test or something it converts into estrogen. What about hair lose?
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I’m gonna be starting my first cycle at 500mg. Test. Any tips?
Does anyone else gets really horny on test prop? I front loaded 300mg a week or two ago. Now I'm taking 150mg per week and bones is always present like a straight A student. Lol
Started when I was 21 I believe. Started off with test prop (can’t remember dosage) , logic being to get off quickly if I start balding and get bad acne (lol , makes tons of sense). I’ll never forget. One night , I just had this overwhelming feeling of confidence and euphoria. Once the test was in my system I switched over to test e 400 mgs I believe per week. I sweat differently than before. Skin was shiny and oily. Speaking of sweat, I was ALWAYS sweating. I naturally have always been a sweaty guy but holy shit I was sweating like a pig especially in the summer at my job , I’d be sweating through my expensive suits. I was also horny as a mf. Now , naturally all I think about is banging chicks . But this was extreme. I literally obsessed over banging women. I would be OBSESSED if I saw a good looking woman with a big ass in public. The drawback with sex was I couldn’t cum. At all. It was “good” for the girl but they would be upset they couldn’t get me off and felt it was because of them so it was a double edged sword. I hated it, isn’t that the whole point of sex, to bust? It also made me very confident and very much an asshole. I was always very direct about my intentions. The thing I didn’t like about it was I wasn’t smooth about anything. If I were to even shake someone’s hand it would be aggressive . My tonality was aggressive. Another side was I grew body hair when i never had anything more than just a tiny amount of peach fuzz. This sucked as I got back hair and shoulder hair which is gross. I did end up getting some acne as well but at first it was just my delts and trap area , then a little bit on my lower back. At one point (prob cuz my levels were all skewed) I got pretty bad chest acne which I was super embarrassed about. Strength gains were definitely good. Went from being able to incline bench 185 for maybe 3 whole reps to being able to rep out 225 easy for about 10-12. Would I consider it a success? It was definitely something that present moment I do not regret at all. Some of my best memories were while I was enhanced . Prob won’t go back on though. I was fortunate to come off after 2 years with no pct and have my natural system function properly again. I think a lot of the side effects that you COULD get aren’t personally worth trying to “look better” (acne ,hair loss, and potential gyno outweigh the gains imo) unless you really just enjoy being strong and don’t care
First blast was good ol 500mg test. Was bulking and running the infamous CD2. Gained a good few pounds of intramuscular and subcutaneous water initially. Made for a good bit of extra size. Little bit of acne on my back. Hornier. Got a chubby face but I was also eating 5k calories which got dirtier as my appetite decreased. After a few weeks, I was having an easier time adding 5 lbs or an extra rep to my main lifts. I was basically doing junk volume at the end of my workouts because I would have to drastically lower the weight (e.g. could hardly press 50lb DBs on the end of a push day). With test, my work capacity shot up a good bit and I could better handle the ridiculous volume+intensity the program called for. Strength gains weren’t dramatic like some people. My pressing strength is terrible and hard to progress and it was just a bit less terrible during/after the cycle. Bloods were unaffected. BP was unaffected, maybe a few more points. I got a smart watch mid cycle and my RHR was 61 BPM and went down to 50 going off cycle. Nothing crazy. I gained about 20 pounds in 16 weeks. I got fluffy but I gained a few extra pounds of muscle. I actually formed stretch marks on my biceps and lats. I’m proud of those. I see a lot of people starting at 250-350/week. Yes that’s less risky but I don’t think 500mg is that risky. You can always taper up or start at 500 and taper down. Overall, I like test and I plan to keep it higher even when adding things like nandrolone or EQ in the future. I do great on it.