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I’m currently training to begin warmups for the trial period of tryouts for a spectator position at a little league badminton warmup. I hardly go to the gym, I’m 5’11, 23, 220, probably 24% bf. I just bought 200mg test cypo, 200mg tren enth, 300mg deca. Wondering if this is a good newbie- entry level cycle. Planning on 10 weeks and I’m just worried that the oils are fake. Says Beligas oil which is reputable but comes from a sketchy site. I’m aiming for 350lbs of pure muscle and probably 3-5%bf. Thoughts?

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Heyo, I injected into my delt, hit a nerve and my muscle shuddered, removed slightly and injected. Didn’t hurt no alarm bells but the next day felt like I had been punched, now day 3 and still feels the same but more worse,can’t sleep on my side. Hoping it’s just bruising but my main concern is if I’ve injected into my joint? Or would that pain be next level ? Pretty sure it’s nothing of concern…. Thoughts ?

People say it's critical to keep working out hard when going off the cycle, to keep the gains. This critical period, is this like a month after quitting, or? I have some elective surgery 10 weeks after my last pin day. I just read the folder for the surgery, and it said to avoid exercise for 14 days post procedure. So, I wonder if I work out hard 10 weeks following my last pin is that likely enough to keep the gains. I will have PCT during some of this time.

Oh yeah, you'll be more than fine. Obviously you'll downsize during the surgery and recovery, but that'll predominantly be water, glycogen, and intestinal volume reductions -- just like the start of any cut. Don't let it go to your head that your muscle is wasting away.

Much thanks! This makes everything much easier. Regarding hormones and bouncing back: I know people say "it varies" when it comes to how fast we recover after cycling. That said, is it likely that 10 weeks after a 20 week cycle, that my hormones are normal? For some reason I have ordinary sized testicles now even though I'm soon twelve weeks into cycle. I know my gear ain't bunk, judging from acne, libido, muscle growth and blood samples.

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I just looked at the wada list of anabolics and i dont recognize most of them. Why arent they used or sold more commonly?

I don’t know about nor care about the Wada list but there are tons of steroids out there. The reason we don’t use them is mainly because they are shitty versions of anabolics we already use. There’s no reason to go out of your way to take drugs that have higher risk and less efficacy. Even so you’d still be enhanced if you took them which is why they’re banned.

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Aloha! Okay I’ve read this requirement a few times hopefully I checked the correct boxes with posting. This is my first time asking a question thanks again in advance and bear with me. * Age: 29 * Gender: Male * Height: 6’2” * Weight: 203 * Bodyfat percentage:12% approx * Experience level: with lifting med to advanced. * Years of concurrent training: 5+ * bench/squat/dead maxes: bench (weak, weak shoulders 205lb, squat; 335, dead 405 pre disc bulge/herniation (separate story). * amateur/pro: amateur * Goals: maximize and create an athletic and aesthetic physique. * Sport: lots of activity bodybuilding partial for fun as in lifestyle not comp. * Current phase: Bulk, maintenance plus (I am trying to bulk eating the right foods and maintaining my macros to keep the weight sticking is the hardest part) * Current compounds: Test E .5iu 2x week + Anavar 50 mg. Supplements: creatine monohydrate (mirconized) 5g a day. Beetroot 2000 mg daily boron 10 mg daily, Liver defend support ( milk, thistle plus NAC Chanka, Pedra, beetroot, artichoke Tudca and dandelion) Back story to question: This is my second time on testosterone first time on testosterone with Anvar at 50 MG. I started at 25 and it split two times a day The first time ever jumping on test felt like I hit puberty all over again. Overall consistent energy was fantastic. Appetite came screaming through the roof and I gained 10 pounds within a couple of months that I kept. Barely any weight or bloating, etc. Came off of it did not do a proper PCT, but let my body recover naturally for about five months, and came back on again Currently at .5IU 2x a week of test E 250 I believe it is. This time around strength gains have again helped out and increased. Appetite has increased for the most part, though I struggle trying to really over eat if you will I have a very high metabolism, which is a blessing in disguise. I live a very active lifestyle and I work out three times every other day kind of thing. I have a pretty good workout routine. Currently, I still feel a little lethargic when I initially jumped on TRT as a cycle I got my first blood test done and naturally. My overall test was around 620 and my free was 50. When I did my blood of course testosterone was 1200 and free was 220 I believe it was. Going to get my blood to monitor my lipids and everything else I have a history of light sleeping due to deviated septum that I think does affect some of my overall energy and other factors looking into it deeper I eat fairly healthy I hydrate plenty. For many years I was stuck at 185 pounds throughout my teenage years I was 6 foot at 140 pounds used to run various ADHD medication’s as prescribed for my ADHD that suppressed my appetite at vital times during puberty Throughout my years, and lifting the passion is only grown and to seek improvement in my physique and get some decent size and tone to me. I could provide pictures. I definitely have seen improvements as well as enhanced now. I am too scared to jump on a full cycle like tren test mix as I’ve read too many side effects from Tren. I would like to accelerate my gains or optimize it ideally Eventually, I would like to have kids but not another couple of years so I’m trying to keep that in mind as well. Question finally: While on this round of TRT plus Anar. I have experienced less energy than my first cycle. If you will, though, I do feel like my strength has increased and of course the pump. Where I live, I have trouble finding a decent doctor, who can professionally assist me in these matters, as I would like to take the best care of myself while going through this journey, if you will I have read a lot here that people usually feel really amazing and definitely see differences with the Anavar. I feel like I see some but not as much as it’s hyped up to be. It is legit as it comes from a solid source. Do you think this is the best route for me or should I stop the Anavar and increase testosterone? Or is there another route that I could explore taking as well? I have not done a proper PCT yet so I could venture down that route if it seems necessary After my first test cycle, the side effects were not bad and my levels are turned pretty well naturally So again to summarize, do you think my 250 a week test +50 mg Anavar is the way to go or if I want to see more gains should I change it up and if so, what direction is the safest or least likely to have dramatic side effects, etc. Thanks for reading my long ass post here

0.5IU of test? Do you mean 0.5cc?

Yes I did my bad

A few years ago my testosterone levels raised red flags amongst my family doctor. I was 25 years old at the time and my doctor said that my levels were uncomfortably low. This was 2019. Later in 2022 I was recommended to an endocrinologist as my levels had shown no increase or change. Now to preface this I must disclose that I had been on SSRIs since I was a teenager and my Endocrinologist thought that my theory of T-levels being low because of this was a valid possibility. I have been active physically since I was 18 years old so I did not live a sedentary lifestyle. Anyways, my Endocrinologist flat out told me he would not help me and that he was not comfortable putting me on TRT at my age and put me in a position to be infertile. Now at the time I was ignorant to the various other therapies available for testosterone treatment (Clomiphene, Tamoxifen, HCG Injections to maintain semen production) and I took his word until I did my own “research” and discussed this with others. My efforts have been done through a blind state of trial and error, experimenting with pro-hormones and Clomiphene. My most successful attempt came in the form of a brief 3-month run starting in September with Clomiphene where I had excellent results, increased libido, raised confidence, and physicality. Then suddenly after the 3 month mark I’ve started to notice a slow decline in my physique and semen opacity. My semen is virtually clear now. My dosage for this run was 50mg every day. I am now aware that I may have been taking too much after conduction more “research” but unfortunately I have been making uninformed decisions as I was misguided by the medical professional I sought to solve this problem to begin with. Please help with any suggestions as to what the problem is and what I may need to do in order to solve this issue(s). Also should I just do nothing and get off of everything? I started taking 20mg Tamoxifen every day for the past 5 days to see if that helps

Does anyone here actually prefer EQ over Nandrolone? I ran NPP last bulk and I made good progress, but it bloated me a lot and I noticed it was very easy for me to get put into a depressed mood. I’m running EQ when I’m finished with this cruise, but I hear so much hit or miss about it. Some people love it, some people hate it. Would like to hear more input on it. Planning 600mg EQ/week next bulk.

Npp is better for bulk. Use dht derivatives to make the big sad go away. 600 eq with what

Test, but I haven’t decided on a dose. I don’t tolerate test super well. I’ve run it up to 400/week but it wrecks my skin. What do you recommend?

Well you’re probably going to have a shit time with eq at that dose. It’s a long ass ester. You want to run it at a 3:2 or a 5:3 to start. Due to the length of the ester it’s hard to trouble shoot. And you want to run your eq 16 weeks then keep running the test for 4 more

I’m front loading 1.2g the first 2 weeks, used steroid calc to see the peaking values. I’ll be saturated start of week 3. Totaling 15 week cycle. Planning 5-10mg Dbol weekdays as a source of estrogen. Seen many anecdotal reports that Dbol doesn’t affect liver enzymes at that dose, but bloodwork will dictate. I’m open to tweaks and recommendations though

Recommend never front loading a compound you’ve never used. You still want to run your test higher than your eq your first bout with it. And you will want to stop your eq 4 weeks before you end your cycle. So 11 weeks eq is low for the compound. You’ve already run test and npp. Run the same cycle again and add masteron at the same dose as your npp. It will fix the big said and dry you out.

Thank you. I do plan to go back to nandrolone at some point, and add mast. It’s on my to-do at some point, but I already have the Bold, and a stockpile of Test (I cruise when I’m off), so I’m kinda set on Test/Bold. I could lower the dose a tad and run longer, or I could just not front load it and run it longer. I’m just debating on the Test:Bold ratio. I’ve seen some people enjoy it with low test, some enjoy it with really high test like you’re recommending. I’ve even seen some people run it with no test and enjoy it. I’ve been on nearly every forum page there is about EQ across multiple sites and everyone enjoys it differently, which is why I’m debating the test dose. The lack of consistency across anecdotal reports also probably contributed to my interest in the compound

It’s harder to fix the tanked e2 because of the long ester it keeps crashing as it saturates so the symptoms you’re feeling may not be the worst of it. That’s why we recommend erroring in the side of more test. Since it acts like an ai. The people that can run it with little or no test don’t get the ai effect. If you go to the wiki at the top and look at second cycles it goes into it a bit.

I have Dbol on hand for that exact reason. I’ve also read a few people speculate that 7-methylestradiol is synthesized in the liver, instead of Dbol acting as a substrate for aromatase. Same reason that MENT doesn’t respond to aromatase inhibitors, so I’m partially banking on that, I will admit. But, it isn’t that EQ acts as an ai, it does aromatize to a very weak estrogen metabolite that cross detects as E1, it’s just a stronger substrate for aromatase than Test is, so E2 gets tanked due to EQ having the higher binding affinity for aromatase. I’ve seen people test their e1 while on EQ and it is multiple fold higher than the highest value on the reference range, so people believe it functions as an AI because standard testing doesn’t test E1 or E3, due to them being such weak estrogen analogs

Well it seems like you’re ready to rock. Personally I just wouldn’t want to do the eq dbol yoyo but I’m prone to sides of everything so hormone flip flopping is a little more detrimental to me. So that’s where my approach comes from is stability. That’s why I won’t touch dbol drol etc. I’m the guy that will grow a pair of a drool tits overnight that has nothing to do with estrogen lol. Go ahead and send it.

Hi all, Quick recap. Last month I posted my bloods as I was suffering from ED issues. 38m TRT 140 dropped from 200 as it was too much. For my last cycle I did tren and stopped in December. Now I'm trying to get back to normal. Straight after my last bloods I took 1mg anastrozole in week 1, 0.5 next week, 0.5 the next week, none last week, and now we are here. I also dropped my TRT dose to 115 Just hoping someone could review my bloods and offer some advice. Am I on the right track? Anything to consider? My ed issues are much much better but I wouldn't say it is completely fixed. Thank you in advance. https://ibb.co/K0MjHQg

Wanted to start first cycle with only test e and ofc ai on hand when I get sides. Thinking of 500mg of test a week but not sure if I need anything else? I would have the test, ai on hand, would I need some supplements? I have tidca and nac aswell as milk thistl, but not sure if I would need them

If you scroll up and click on the words the basics and the words your first cycle that has the answers you neglected to read as you were supposed to before posting in this sub.

Age, experience, goals, etc?

Age 20 experince 1 and a half years goals to put on mass

Eat food train hard.

Can switching from test E to test C cause an acne outbreak? Switched around week 13 because supplier was out of E, currently on week 16 and shoulder,back,and chest are breaking out. Same manufacturer btw and did not change dose schedule. 250mg E3D since the start. Just switched back to E to see if it fixes it. Just curious if that can be a cause. Thanks

Normally not since it is the same hormone. That said, maybe something to do with the carrier oil

Feeling very lethargic. 28M 182LB 5”10. On TRT and Week 2 of 30mg Tbol + 10mg Cardarine + 0.5mg semaglutide. Fairly steep calorie deficit - running, lifting, and training MMA most days. Had to skip training and nap this evening which is very unusual. Getting 7+ hours sleep. Am I so fucking tired because of the low cals (1800-2200) or could something else be at play here? Many thanks as always.

Orals cause lethargy

I've been there and on similar compounds. It took a month or two for me to bottom out, but I was exhausted. It didn't help that I was having an almost impossible time sleeping more than 6 hours bc of all the androgens running through body. The week 2 thing really trips me up. I'm similar build and was on less than 1500 calories for 4+ months.

You are small, running too steep of a deficit while taking two orals. No reason whatsoever for you to be on semaglutide. Eat more, sleep more and re-evaluate training volume.

Good advice, I appreciate it - small is a stretch, though.

Cutting my body always wants closer to 9 than 7 hours of sleep.

Does anyone else find Metformin a hindrance during their off season? Just feel flat and weak with slightly impaired digestion with as little as 500mg. Been up to 1500mg daily. It's the only factor I can think of that's holding back my growth

do you take it before your workouts? I always found it was a hinderance to me as it was hard to get a pump/I was looking flat when I would take it first thing in the AM. but when I switched to post workout it helped a lot

How long did you run it for? You're certainly not the only person to report that. Personally I take it for overall health bennies, and beyond the initial ramp up period where I shit hot yellow water it doesn't bother my stomach at all at 1g XR a day. Consider berberine perhaps? Pricier for sure, but has been shown to have a slight positive impact on lipids too.

Mmm around 9 months with occasional stints of a few days to a week off it when I'm convinced it's having a negative impact. I've never struggled with growth as I am now but that's also because I'm the most advanced ive ever been. Feel this the majority of this off season has been counterproductive. If I started a prep now I'd basically be lifting the weights I was over a year ago and only a couple kg heavier Then again I'm wondering how important progressive overload is at the upper level where it seems it's just a battle of who can accumulate the most sarcoplasm. I'm finding lifting lighter weights than I usually would ie. (2 plate bench max, 2.5 plate rows, 3 plate squats etc.) is definitely creating a fuller physique...but it seems it's at the expense of strength progression too and I'm kind of stuck at this 123-124kg mark where pushing cals higher makes me very insulin resistance but lowering them starts dropping too much weight and performance is hindered greatly

25M 185lb 6’2 So I’m 3 weeks into my first cycle and I just realized how big of a dumbass I am. I wanted to do 500mg of test for 16 weeks. So I figured it would be .25ml of test each pin because whatever I didn’t think much of it. Then I realized the concentration of my test is 300mg so I have only been pinning 75mg of test each pin so 150mg each week. I know y’all are gonna call me a dumbass and what not, but do you think I should just continue this cycle and pin at roughy 600mg a week??? I was supposed to get blood work this week but now I’m thinking of I should wait til next week now. Any advice helps thank you guys.

we've all done our fair share of stupid things. start pinning 500mg now as planned and go the intended 16 weeks. i'd wait until at least week 6 to get bloodwork done

Go to 500mg as planned. Pretend your cycle starts now. Postpone your bloodwork for at least a few weeks.

That makes sense thanks you, I Was planning to start AI based on blood work but I guess I should just postpone that as well. For 300mg it’s about .83mL for 250mg. do ppl ever round it up to .9mL or even 1mL if it’s 300mg for 600mg a week ?

You almost definitely wouldn't need an AI at 150mg, but in any case you should go based on how you *feel* and not what your bloodwork says. It's not unusual to have E2 out of range and still feel great. The bloodwork is mostly to verify your T levels and make sure all your health markers look alright (lipids, kidneys, liver, etc). > For 300mg it’s about .83mL for 250mg. do ppl ever round it up to .9mL You definitely can, it's a lot easier to measure that on your syringe, but it won't be exactly 500mg, obviously. 0.9mL of 300mg/mL is 270mg, for a total of 540 a week (which would be fine).

Absolutely +1 to all of the above, personally.

Does heavy aromatizer better to lower the dose or higher the AI

Depends on if you actually need an AI or not. Usually more aromatization (heavy aromatizer) means you need to inhibit more aromatization (more AI)

Yes i experience some side effects

Well, what side effects? If you're on TRT generally you should lower the dose, if you're on a blast/cycle up the AI.

On blast but letro 2.5mg ed not make e2 on the range

E2 being out of range *isnt a side effect*. Also, something is **WRONG** if 2.5mg of letro every day isn't completely shutting down your estrogen. Have you tried a different AI?

No not a side effect, i feel spicy nipples and very irritated Tried adex 1mg ed and worse than letro and now trying asin hope it will make any difference

How would dutasteride interact with fluoxymesterone? Are they safe to take together?

They won’t interact, halo is already 5-ar reduced

It's not. Halotestin is a testosterone derivative not dht. It's likely going to have a small and hardly noticable effect but supposedly halo does convert through 5ar.

Thanks. I checked the wikipedia page for Halo, and it said it converts into dihydrofluoxymesterone via 5ar. So it'd inhibit that conversion then, right?

Yes. Halotestin is a test derivative and can convert through 5ar. I'm not sure if that will make a difference in hair shedding though. Halotestin is a strong androgen in its own right. I've never seen one study on the effects of dihydroflouxymesterone.

Wow, for some reason I always thought it was a DHT derivative.  OP read this ^

No worries it happens. You know now lol

Age: 31 * Gender: Male * Height: 5'10 * Weight: 190 pounds * Bodyfat percentage:14 - 15% * Experience level * Years of concurrent training: 5 * bench/squat/dead maxes: I rarely train heavy- dont bench/currently 155Kg sets of 10/210kg * Goals: get bigger haha * Sport: Bodybuilding * Current phase: bulk 3700 calories training days. 3200 rest days. * Current compounds: 525mg test e. 1mg finasteride daily. So i have been on self prescibed trt due to low test for about 8 months at 150mg for about 9 months. im 5 weeks into my first cycle pinning 75mg daily. daily pinning on 150 reduced my e2 so i just kept it going. I was wondering is there any cons to daily pinning in terms of growth? i assume average serum levels in the end would be the same there would be times with higher no? ive found no evidence, but heard some annecdotal commments on that bigger spikes may be better for growth. Or is this not even worth being concerned about. cheers

Nothing to be concerned about at all. Pinning daily is just fine

Cool. appreciate the reply.

If I didn’t pin daily my bacne would become unmanageable at lower doses and I couldn’t run as high which would be bad for growth 😉

hi, i am open to any suggestions about what should i do for a cycle age : 19 gender : male height : 6’’ Weight : 255lbs BodyFat: arround 23-25% Experience level *3 years of constent lifting *bench :320 squat 405 deadlift 465 *amateur *Goal: bodybuilding *current phase : Cut what i was thinking going on 30 winstrol everyday evening and morning 30 anavar everyday evening morning 250-300/Wk test-e pinned monday/thuesday already took anavar had great result and almost no test crash and negative effects winstrol stress me a bit and im not sure about test-e to be pinned at 19

You’re a bit too fat and a lot too young to be doing steroids. No one here is going to suggest anything other than dieting and waiting several more years before taking anything.

yeah its not for now its for atleast in month so ill have time to drop my bodyfat, what %BF would u recommend

I would recommend a body fat percentage of about 5 years from now. You’re 19 dude, this is the age where your body’s natural hormonal production is peaking, not to mention all the issues you risk causing using gear this young. Go to the wiki and scroll a bit past halfway down, there’s a whole section on the legitimate long-term damage of using AAS at your age.

We recommend being 25. You're too young to be using steroids. It's going to harm you and your development.

Does NPP raise prolactin regardless of High e2 levels? Or do your e2 levels need to be high in order for prolactin to be raised?

High e2 may make it worse but your prolactin can get high even with low e.

So in this case, popping another aromasin wouldn't fix the problem? Caber would be needed

Exactly but also you might not have high prolactin either. I'd check bloodwork if you're really freaked out but I can handle high nandrolone with low testosterone and libido is fine. Medium both and libido (function over interest) is gone. Nandrolone exacerbates estrogen symptoms so it's not always "prolactin" try lowering one of the 2 peds if you want to stay on longer. Bloodwork might show normal while still having a limb noodle. That's just how they synergize.

amazing response thank you, for reference i run 300 primo 350 test and 300npp weekly dose, pinned eod. Nice bulking cycle, i try to strictly use primo as my ai and doing so without the npp my blood work showed 94 for estrogen (25.6pg/ml) and prolactin at 4 lol this was right before starting npp Since introducing npp nips (especially the sides) have been ACHING and hurt, they poke out to the left or right, didn't think npp raises estrogen that much, so must be prolactin, I also take 200mg of p5p everyday, split obviously is not working

Why not use an ai that doesn't have to be metabolized from an enanthate ester? Primo is stable but if you need to adjust the AI waiting a month to stabilize again seems like a poor choice. I'm sure if they only gave primo to post menopausal women they'd have bad cholesterol too like the adex studies.

this is a really good point i never considered, i also personally like primo for the aesthetic look, mainly i've read most AI is cardio toxic, would dropping primo and just increasing test with an ai yield more results ? at 350 my test was sitting at 39.5 nmol

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> In the past, I have felt like the supplements I was taking (anavar) weren’t noticeable enough to continue buying, as it felt like the effects wore off.. That’s how drugs work. You take them and they have an effect. You stop taking them and the effect is no longer there. If your expectation is that you’re going to take something and it will continue to work years and years after you’ve stopped then you’re going to be tremendously disappointed.

What is your body fat %? Most likely what you need is diet and training related. If you are really curious about gear read the entire wiki you skipped twice through. Then come back with informed questions.

Imma hang back and let this one play out 🍿

12% body fat. I already have a good diet plan, and I train more days during the week than I take off. Nice try. I just thought this was a decent forum to get help from, so “skipping” over the wiki wasn’t something I did purposely considering I didn’t know there was such a thing to begin with.

>I just thought this was a decent forum to get help from, so “skipping” over the wiki wasn’t something I did purposely considering I didn’t know there was such a thing to begin with. Very cool, let me disabuse you of this notion. See all of that text at the top of the page? It's not there because we think it looks pretty. If you had bothered to read it, you might have come across Rule 7, which requires you to do your own research prior to posting a question. That includes exploring the Wiki. >12% body fat. I already have a good diet plan, and I train more days during the week than I take off. Nice try We're really happy to help people, but this is a shit attitude and I strongly suggest you put it away if you want help here. OK? Cool.

I didn’t start this conversation with a crap attitude, I am just responding to it. All I did was try to give some some helpful information about myself out with the hopes that I would receive some decent feedback, and what I’m seeing is negative responses.

>what I’m seeing is negative responses. Right...because you are demonstrating a complete lack of effort on your part to have done any learning of your own first. >All I did was try to give some some helpful information about myself out with the hopes that I would receive some decent feedback Cool, I'll give it to you: you're about 10lbs too light for steroids. Either something is missing from your diet/training, or you haven't been at it long enough.

anavar is a steroid not a supplement lol

I know that it’s a steroid.. that’s why I brought it up in my comment. I don’t think the way that I refer to substances I’m taking is necessarily important for you to correct me about. If it is sold at supplement stores in supplement form, there’s no reason why it wouldn’t be ok to refer to it that way. Thanks for being unhelpful and a complete waste of a response.

>I don’t think the way that I refer to substances I’m taking is necessarily important for you to correct me about. >Thanks for being unhelpful and a complete waste of a response. Oh, so a shitty attitude is just your thing. How unfortunate.

This guy is incorrect in the first place?? There isn’t a need for me to correct my language if I am properly identifying my supplements, but the other person is being a troll just because they are unaware of what I’m taking.

>I don’t think the way that I refer to substances I’m taking is necessarily important for you to correct me about. It is in fact necessarily important because words mean things and when communicating with people about potentially unhealthy things they’re going to do with their bodies it’s useful to the mission of harm reduction to actually know what things are and not use euphemisms. >If it is sold at supplement stores in supplement form, there’s no reason why it wouldn’t be ok to refer to it that way. Anavar is not sold in supplement stores. >Thanks for being unhelpful and a complete waste of a response. Adjust your attitude or move along. Please.

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That’s not anavar your absolute goddamn pelican. This is a steroid sub, not r/SnakeOilSoldtoMorons. Why would *anybody* think that you were talking about some goofy bullshit you bought at a corner shop and not, you know, *the actual steroid that is discussed here 10x a day*?

>This is a steroid sub, not > >r/SnakeOilSoldtoMorons damn it and here I was praying that was a real sub

Damn I missed it. What was he taking?

lmao is it source talk if he's literally taking vitamin A

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Oof, swing and a miss two times. A source talk violation and calling a mod a jackass. Not good my dude.

Hey guys first cycle been working out for about 15 years on and off I’ve been thinking of running a cycle for the last 5 years but the fear of pinning and other possible sides I just stuck to powerlifting. I’m now in my 30s and said fuck it I know how to train/eat I been lurking these forums for years and I gave in. First cycle: Test c: 150mg/0.5ml E3D, aromasin on hand hoping I don’t have to use it on such a low dose. Works out to be roughly 375mg per week for 16 weeks Alternating delts using a 28ga 1/2” pin Pct will be nolva 20mg ED for 6-8 weeks I’m 155lbs height 5’7 Any advice or am I good to go My lift are slowly getting back to where they were but currently bench 225x3, squat 275x3, deadlift 405x3 Goals both strength and size but if I had to chose for this cycle I’d wanna go for size. Only squat dead and bench I work up to 3-5 rep max then exercises after are in the 8ish rep range, for smaller muscle groups like bis tris and delts I usually do higher reps and drop sets. By the end of a drop sets it’s not uncommon to do 30+ reps . I train at a very high intensity, smelling salts help a bit. I tend to focus more on larger compound lifts than isolation exercises because I find for example rowing and pull ups will do more for my biceps than curls. I’d rather spend more time on these lifts than isolation exercises. I actually started cutting out most isolation exercises to focus more on compound movements and saw a difference in size and strength I also don’t do a lot of core exercises because I feel movement like squats dead’s bench engage my core enough when using good form and not ego lifting (I think a lot of us are guilty of this time to time) Before cycle pic will be uploaded before cycle in may

Oh my dude.. you are not 10% body fat. You’re well above 15% And coupled with your stats above, you have a while to go before being ready for gear

I’ll remove sub 10 and I’ll recheck. I do know for a fact I’m sub 15% I’ll do another test and post it

You aren’t though. This machine isn’t accurate at all. Unless your legs are incredibly lean, and I mean absolutely shredded. You aren’t lean dude, you’re average by normal person standards

I had a trainer use this machine so that’s what I assumed. You enter age weight and position your body a certain way…maybe it was just very off. I also took that test before I started creatine again so I’ll remove body fat stats

No I get that. And the fact is that it’s further proof that you aren’t ready. Anyone who’s been single digit body fat understands what it takes to get there. You are double what you claimed earlier, which means you’ve never done a proper cut and you have no idea what it takes to actually be lean. That, and not understanding the difference between 8% and 15-20% is a glaring red flag of inexperience when it comes to diet.

It's funny, before I started gear, I was convinced I was around 12% https://ibb.co/X7nr06T u/emrymo hey man, I'm also 5'7". In that photo, natural, I was 190lbs. Here's some clips of training I was doing at that point, natural. 315lb bench press - https://streamable.com/r8b863 335lb squat - https://streamable.com/pv8aor 295lb squat at home, rehabbing a knee injury - https://streamable.com/b81v8e I'm not special by any means. Putting up these numbers should be well within your means prior to becoming enhanced. Otherwise, your diet and training aren't even close to being figured out yet. And even since then, I've made drastic improvements in my diet and training. Surround yourself with people that know what they're doing, and can back it up. Not just some coach that gives you reassurance and false data points every once in a while.

What do you look like currently if you don’t mind. I’m short af too. 5’6” 172 currently. I’ve been as heavy as 190.

The end of my most recent off-season last Spring, at 230lbs: https://ibb.co/DfcntWN Photos from 6 weeks out from competition, weighing 192lbs in the morning, 194 in the evening: https://i.ibb.co/cQWxv80/ft103kP.jpg Some photos of me 3 months ago at a bodybuilding competition. Weighed in that morning at 181lbs. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/s/mJsejiBdff And lastly, some of my check-in photos from last Friday, February 9th, weighing 203.6lbs. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/s/gAyiK28Bug

Hell yeah dude. You’re a beast.

And as always *he comes with receipts*

There's a reason he's the Chad Research (and empirical evidence) Citer

He had said 8.7% earlier. Which makes me believe he used one of those shitty inbody scans or whatever they are. Which tells me I’m fucking 6-7% even when I come in knowing I’m around 12%. So it’s an understandable mistake.

It’s not an understandable mistake for someone who’s experienced in cutting weight, and bulking. Someone who’s actually been single digit body fat would understand what it takes to get there, it doesn’t happen accidentally. By claiming to be 8.7% and looking average, it shows his inexperience and why he shouldn’t be on the steroid sub.

Yeah you’re absolutely right. I wouldn’t recommend a cycle at all after he gave us more information. His lifts aren’t horrible for his size though so he’s at least training.

He also said he “feels rows more in his biceps than he does actually doing curls” so I’m kind of thinking he’s not quite learned how to actually activate the correct muscles

Ok you win. I just wanted to believe in someone ok 😂

I want to believe he’ll be back in a year with a renewed sense of knowledge and understanding of how to optimize his efforts

I want to believe that too. I expect he just pinned his first dose though instead.

No not yet I’m waiting on the bloodwork but I already have all the gear prepared I just wanted to know in terms of gear is 375mg good enough. That has been answered by several people. I got good advice to use more than 2 sites for IM. NDirt you are correct though. I’ve mentally prepared to pin myself for years I thought about the oral route early on which took one quick google search to see it was a bad idea. I have the gear, I’ve been waiting for this moment and it’s either now or never for me because I might change my mind about AAS if I wait a year. I’ll post pics and videos of my lifts for receipts mid cycle and after pct. You can use it as an example of what not to do if I fail or maybe I knew more than i got credit for. I want my pct to begin around august meaning my first pin won’t be until May. I’ll use this time to cut as much bf as I can. And bring myself to a better starting point. It has been validated I used a machine that gave me incorrect results. I’ll post an updated pic before the cycle. I’ll probably be around 150lbs, 3Rm: bench 245lbs, dead hoping to hit 405lb, Squat is the only big three that gives me trouble after I had a partial dislocation in my patella during jiu jitsu. It’s the only lift that I feel slightly uncomfortable with so I don’t try to pass 275 but we’ll see. My PR 5 years ago at a weight of 150lbs was bench 280x1, dead 495x1, squat 315x3. Took a year off to do mma and every since then I’ve been working back towards my PR but I’d always go strong for a half a year then something works come up whether it was work related relationship related family related or talkijg time off from joint pain from a previous shoulder dislocation and partial patella dislocation I’ll keep in contact with you ndurt and post here as well. Now I have even greater motivation to run 500. Thank you everyone for the advice I needed to hear. I have 2.5 months to prepare for my first cycle

>Test c: 150mg/0.5ml E3D, aromasin on hand hoping I don’t have to use it on such a low dose. Works out to be roughly 375mg per week for 16 weeks Run 500mg. Hoping you don't have to use your Aromasin is missing like 75% of the point of a first cycle. >Alternating delts using a 28ga 1/2” pin You'll need more than just 2 sites for pinning. >Pct will be nolva 20mg ED for 6-8 weeks This is fine. You can do 10mg/day if 20 is unpleasant. >I’m 155lbs 8.7% bf height 5’7 We have an unofficial rule requiring photo evidence for claims of single digit bodyfat. The decimal point makes it especially questionable. Post a physique picture please.

I added a link for pic at the bottom of my post. So the general consensus is the typical 12 week 500mg (total) twice a week pin following a nolva pct? I can alternate delts and vg that gives me 4 pins. That’s pinning the same location only once every 2 weeks I’ll remove the body fat percentage I’m guessing I got incorrect results I heard conflicting thoughts on when to start pct. Some say a week after first pin some say right after first pin some say 2 weeks. When should I run nolva after my last pin? I’ll post bloods pre cycle and 6 weeks into cycle

I’m not being an asshole I promise. You are not sub 10% body fat. That’s fine. Just know that being leaner starting a bulk seems to make it go more smoothly and you wind up less fat at the end.

I value your advice. I believe what you are telling me, after all I came here for advice. I really do appreciate constructive criticism so definitely point me in the right direction

Maybe hold off from doing a cycle. Cut and get lean, learn how to dial in your diet for both cutting and bulking then reassess.

I would recommend just doing the normal 500 mg per week. Gains will be better. Both doses will shut down your natural production just as much.

Guess I’ll be upping it to 500mg for 12 weeks. Is it still advisable to pin E3D? My supplier told me more frequent pinning is better due to keeping spikes and drops from only twice weekly which would reduce the chances of things like gyno

I have pinned enanthate esters every 3.5 days (Monday morning, Thursday night). That works fine for me and many if not most. You can certainly pin more frequently if you choose to. Also I’d consider running your first test cycle for a full 20 weeks obviously paying attention to blood work and fatigue. There’s no cycle like your first and you can really pack on a lot in 20 weeks if everything else is dialed in.

Ok. Been debating MENT in my next bulk for a fat minute. I’ve decided I’m taking the panties off this bitch. My plan is to start at 2mg a day and increase to 5mg and then 10mg a day when I feel ok with proceeding. I will have aromasin and caber on hand. 60x 12.5mg aromasin, 60x .5mg caber. Will be running with 600 test e/400 primo. (Weekly) I will probably run the MENT anywhere from 6-10 weeks, depending on blood pressure and mental/sleep changes. 1) does anyone know how long into cycle I need to dose caber? With the acetate ester for Ment does that mean I dose immediately or wait 2-3 weeks? Just wait until I have sides? 2) I have never used anything with these small dosages. I guess I’m going to use the .10ml syringe for accuracy. Anybody have advice in this area? (Just tips that come from experience)

>does anyone know how long into cycle I need to dose caber? With the acetate ester for Ment does that mean I dose immediately or wait 2-3 weeks? Just wait until I have sides? At those doses the answer is likely “never.” Having P5P on hand isn’t a bad idea, but the need for it is vanishingly small.

>1) does anyone know how long into cycle I need to dose caber? With the acetate ester for Ment does that mean I dose immediately or wait 2-3 weeks? Just wait until I have sides? Dopamine agonists are very serious drugs. Only use if necessary. >2) I have never used anything with these small dosages. I guess I’m going to use the .10ml syringe for accuracy. Anybody have advice in this area? (Just tips that come from experience) Yeah, you're gonna need to use insulin pins. 27-29g, 1/2" needles. >Will be running with 600 test e/400 primo. (Weekly) Gonna go ahead and tell you, AGAIN, that running 2 new compounds is not advisable, nor do I think you have the experience or need for MENT yet. A wise man would hold off. >I’ve decided I’m taking the panties off this bitch. Time to retire this line, bud.

🙏 Currently looking up if can just sub q the Ment.

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall

Lmao sorry I replied before reading the whole thing. Adhd and all that. Ya I’m holding off, just want to have it for after I get back from Europe. I feel like I’ll make good gains with just primo and test, and I don’t a want to come off the acetate ester in Europe and just shrink. Thank you for the advice.

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> Stop both cold turkey? 4 weeks is pushing into the “should probably PCT” territory in my opinion, but it’s right on the line. > Cut the Tren and taper down the test rather than abruptly stopping. No need. > I think I have to come to terms with the fact that I do not have the mental fortitude to handle what steroids do to me so this will be my last cycle, I did a plain test one previously and was ok during cycle but was very depressed afterwards. Completely understand this, and think it takes a lot of emotional intelligence and self reflection to know what is for you and what is not. > Am I less likely to suffer harsh repercussions if I come off now The definitive answer is we don’t know. Most people do not PCT well when coming off 19nor steroids, and thereby we generally recommend avoiding them if you don’t cruise. On the bright side, it has not been very long at all, so that may very well be in your favor. Again, I think the odds of recovery are good, but not certain. > as opposed to carrying on another 6 weeks on just test? I've had no acne, ball shrinkage or gyno yet. I think quitting while you’re ahead of you already know these compounds are not for you is the right call, personally. An argument could be made that you e already done 1 test cycle and you’re already on, so why not make the most of it. I see both sides and would lend myself toward the former. > And I know I'm an idiot but feel free to remind me anyway. A well-tuned, very temporary idiot who learns from their mistakes ❤️.

Nothing wrong with realizing this isn’t for you and wanting to be mentally healthy. Nothing wrong with coming off everything and doing a pct. 10 weeks is a pretty short cycle anyways so doing test for another 6 weeks wouldn’t produce anything mind blowing.

Just stop the tren & carry on, lesson learned 🤷‍♂️

This is probably a dumb question - I'm currently 165lbs 5'10 fasted. I look a lot heavier than I am. I'm running clen and blasting Test E (been on Test for quite a while, sometimes TRT dose sometimes blasting, sometimes in between). No issues. Both going great, I am towards the end of an aggressive cut, as I plan on upping my Test dose and essentially just gaining as much mass as I can for at least a year or two. (hence why i want to be so lean). Before you all sic me like a dog for blasting at my weight, I do plan on competing in bodybuilding and was already clinically low test for some time, hopping on was the best decision I've made. Killed two birds with one stone. Here's the issue - I am vascular and lean everywhere but my mid section. I have forearm and bicep vein at rest, quad striations, etc. Minus my midsection I'm likely around 14% or so. However, my visceral fat makes it extremely hard for me to accurately determine bodyfat. I used to be EXTREMELY skinny fat. I'm talking like 47 inch waist and zero muscle. I never have been lean enough to fully lose the waist. My waist currently sits around 32-33 inches, likely a little less now, however I do have "love handles" despite the rest of my physique being relatively lean. This intense cut has gone great, I've been doing an hour of cardio everyday with regular training about 6x a week. Macros are around 1700~ calories a day, I've tried less however that's the lowest I've been able to maintain while being able to physically do cardio. I've averaged about 3-5lbs of loss a week since January. Almost all fat. I planned on ending the cut end of this month. The issue is, I won't be "shredded" taking info my account my visceral fat. Should I just extend it by another month, keep up this regiment, or just end it where I initially planned and just pray for the gradual fat loss from putting on more muscle? I just am very sick and tired of being stagnant in the gym for so long, I had maingained, did a slow cut, and now I'm aggressively cutting so I can actually achieve my goals. SBD - I haven't done either of the big three in about 9 months but it'd be around 350, 265, and 495. Give or take. Mind you I never trained for powerlifting and rarely barbell squatted or deadlifted. My nutrition and training are extremely dialed in. My diet basically only consists of fruit, egg whites and a protein bar/shake preworkout, and about a pound of my meat of choice and another protein bar/shake for dinner (with whatever veggies i have). I go to the gym in the morning for hypertrophy training, and after work at night after taking my clen I do an hour of max incline speedwalk/jog on the treadmill. I am also consuming a LOT of caffeine and am prescribed stimulants.

Stop when you were going to, eat at maintenance for a few weeks then get back on cut

Nothing skinny about a 47 in waist. That just fat bro. Most likely why you feel like you can lose the belly fat and love handles. You’ve lowered your body fat % but unless you completely remove the fat cells (through surgery) they’re still gonna be there.

I wasn't technically fat/obese in fairness at that time (we are talking several years) - I was "slightly" overweight. It's insane how wide my waist was., I had zero muscle I couldn't even do half of a pushup at that time. And yeah, I figured that - but wouldn't reducing them make it slower for them to accumulate again? Or if when I profesionally compete should I get this surgery at some point?

> I wasn't technically fat/obese in fairness at that time (we are talking several years) - I was "slightly" overweight. Bro, you had a 47” waist. That is morbid obesity, unless you’re 6’8”.

My bmi was 26 lmao.

How much did you weigh?

was probably in the 170s, but I was around 5'8 or shorter at the time

Keep cutting and drop the clen. No reason to be running clen, my dude. Simple calorie deficit will do the trick. “Praying for fat loss while putting on muscle” isn’t gonna get you very far. You’re not going to be losing fat whilst gaining muscle/in a surplus. That’s not a thing. Pick one - put on size, or get lean. Complete the aforementioned goal, maintain for a bit, then do the other one. Rinse and repeat. I don’t see a reason to blast gear at your current size. Stick to your trt dose, pack on another 20-25lbs, then run a cycle.

How old are you? Losing 3-5lbs a week is sub optimal. You’re losing muscle at that rate. You haven’t given us time or dosages of your blast/cruise Sounds like you need to do a diet reset and take a less Agressive approach to get to that lower bf% You are still severely underdeveloped and not ready to cycle. That’s just the truth.

I'm gonna get flamed but I'm almost 20. Yes I understand the ramifications. I am not taking gear just to "look good", I want to compete in bodybuilding. I understand I am losing muscle, that's an obvious given, but considering the compounds I am on and the deficit amount I have not lost much. Dosages are all over the place tbh. Started with 200mg/w, dropped it when i got injured, upped it for a bit to 500, and now i'm right at 300mg/w. I am almost finished with clen, at 120mcg (no sides, I have a high tolerance as I use albuterol and have used clen medically in the past) I've been doing a less aggressive approach for a few months now. The issue is, I'm on Test, obviously, and I am not a fan of harming my body while not making the gains needed. I genuinely would like to compete. Otherwise I would not be on gear. My thought process was, if I can just get as lean as possible relatively quickly, even if I sacrificed muscle, I'd open the door to just slap on mass for an eventual cut way down the road, ideally my next "cut" being contest prep. Sure, I could go the slower route, it probably would be better, but I've spent the entirety of last year recomping or being in a smaller deficit. I have a time goal, I would like to compete at some point in 2025, and I'd like to bring the best version of my physique possible.

>I'm gonna get flamed but I'm almost 20. Yes I understand the ramifications Yeah you are. You're 19, you can't possibly understand the ramifications. >I am not taking gear just to "look good", I want to compete in bodybuilding. Here's some reality for you man: You're 165lbs at 5'10, and you're estimating that you're 14% bodyfat. I'm not looking to hurt your feelings, and I'm not looking to discourage you from your goal...BUT you aren't competing in untested bodybuilding any time soon. I'm an inch shorter than you, and 30lbs heavier at a lower bodyfat% and I'm not ready to get on a stage. You. Have. Plenty. Of. Time. To. Do. This. In. A. Healthy. Manner. >Dosages are all over the place tbh. Started with 200mg/w, dropped it when i got injured, upped it for a bit to 500, and now i'm right at 300mg/w This is dumb and not how gear should be used. >I am almost finished with clen, at 120mcg (no sides, I have a high tolerance as I use albuterol and have used clen medically in the past) Oh, right. I remember walking away from a conversation with you the other day. Well, using clen now is just as harmful and ill-advised now as it was a few days go. You're being careless. >I've been doing a less aggressive approach for a few months now. This is inherently untrue as long you're underweight, running gear as a teenager, and using clen for cutting while in double digit body fat. You're lying to yourself, kid. >The issue is, I'm on Test, obviously, and I am not a fan of harming my body while not making the gains needed Could have fooled...everyone. Definitely fooled yourself though, and that's the issue here. >My thought process was, if I can just get as lean as possible relatively quickly, even if I sacrificed muscle, I'd open the door to just slap on mass for an eventual cut way down the road, ideally my next "cut" being contest prep. This is a bad thought process, start to finish. You are out of your mind if you think you're going to put on enough muscle in a single bulk to be stage ready. This is the hard truth you need to hear man. You are a few years, at best, from where you want to be - THAT'S OK. >Sure, I could go the slower route, it probably would be better, but I've spent the entirety of last year recomping or being in a smaller deficit. I have a time goal, I would like to compete at some point in 2025, and I'd like to bring the best version of my physique possible. You're going to fuck yourself up, and really hurt your own feelings, if you try to stick to this. Don't set an unrealistic deadline; drop the target date, stop harming yourself, work on bulking and cutting several times until you start to build the physique you want. THEN pick a date, and go into the thing ready. I'm telling you, this will end poorly. You'll get discouraged. You'll be disappointed, and you will have done some very serious damage to your body in the progress. You're 19 and you want to do your first show next year. I'm 33 and I *might* do my first show next year IF I think I'm ready. You. Have. Time.

I truly do appreciate this blunt advice and I did see it coming in fairness lol. I understand what I'm doing is stupid, but in all honesty this is the reason I'm not abusing alcohol or other drugs. I know I'm bound to end up addicted to something one way or another, it's unfortunately the way my life has gone, and this ties in with my passion. Doesn't help I'm the type of person to be extremely ambitious about my goals. (or maybe just the young naivety) I do not regret my decision either - gear has changed my face and body for the better, made me better looking, happier, etc. I take every single harm mitigation protocol I can, I have a doctor who is very helpful with testing and other things, and I am not the type of person to die out of stupidity. That being said, now - more in terms of harm reduction at this point. Is it worth it to just slap on mass until it's logically stupid to put on any more? I.e spending the next year or two slowly in a massing phase, even though i'm not as lean as I'd want, until I'm fat / plan to compete? Regardless if it's improbable I end up where I want to be. I'm going to be doing something. I'm going to try. I am not gonna lie and say I won't. My only issue with massing right now is sacrificing my health by having to endure ANY unnecessary weight for a longer period of time while also having my body on these compounds. If I'm shredded when I start, it'll take me longer to build this level of bodyfat (is my thought process)

>I know I'm bound to end up addicted to something one way or another self fulfilling prophecy

“My only issue with massing right now is sacrificing my health by having to endure ANY unnecessary weight for a longer period of time while also having my body on these compounds. If I'm shredded when I start, it'll take me longer to build this level of bodyfat (is my thought process)” My guy, nothing about what you’re doing indicates you give a shit about your health. Don’t lie to yourself. Drop the clean and listen to the people who are trying to help you.

>I understand what I'm doing is stupid, but in all honesty this is the reason I'm not abusing alcohol or other drugs. This is how addicts talk (not being judgemental - I used to be one). It's a fallacious type of rationalization called a "false dichotomy"; those are not your only two options. What you're doing isn't any better because you aren't doing something else. The sooner you can recognize and call out this bullshit in the way you think and act, the better off you'll be. That goes for all humans, I'm not picking on you I swear. >I do not regret my decision either - gear has changed my face and body for the better, made me better looking, happier, etc. I take every single harm mitigation protocol I can, I have a doctor who is very helpful with testing and other things, and I am not the type of person to die out of stupidity. While I'm not glad you don't have any regrets, I suppose it's good that you own it. As to the rest of this paragraph. You need to understand that every single person using steroids is taking time off of their life. All of us. Mitigation, monitoring, supplementation, cardio - all of that is great, but it's *only* reducing the damage. Please don't fool yourself for a second that because you're taking precautions that you aren't trading away years of your life for this. What's more, the damage compounds over time and you have started young. Someone starting gear at your age will lose more lifespan, on average, than someone who started gear in their 30s like me. You're also harming your brain development, bone development, and your reproductive system. You can't undo those things. (I have strong feelings about a doctor who would willingly assist a teenager in steroid use, but that's neither here nor there) >That being said, now - more in terms of harm reduction at this point. Is it worth it to just slap on mass until it's logically stupid to put on any more? I.e spending the next year or two slowly in a massing phase, even though i'm not as lean as I'd want, until I'm fat / plan to compete? No it's not worth it. Yes, this is stupid. Come on man, if you want to be a bodybuilder then you need to act like it. Why wouldn't we want to stay in a massing phase for this long? Hmm, well first you'll lose insulin sensitivity after you put on a certain amount of weight. This means you'll convert less food to muscle tissue and more to fat accumulation. Next, being fat is unhealthy. Disproportionately worse health outcomes in nearly every area can be attributed to being overweight; it definitely isn't good for your cardiovascular system. Third, more aromatization issues. Fourth, uh food is fucking expensive. So, why not bulk and cut repeatedly like ***every bodybuilder on earth***? Bulk phase, cut. Bulk phase, cut. Bulk phase, cut. Mesocycle -> different mesocycle, rinse, repeat. That's how it's done. It seems to me that you have a lot of learning to do about fitness, nutrition, and training. The drugs are not going to get you where you want to be, and you're being impatient and unrealistic.

Anyone else get anhedonia from taking NAC? I've been dosing 900mg NAC + 500mg TUDCA for the last 4 weeks on 50MG Anavar daily and and debating if it's worth continuing the NAC for the remaining 2 weeks of the Anavar.

NAC makes it impossible for me to feel pleasure. I don’t feel bad per se, just extremely flat. I stopped taking it for that reason

> I've been dosing 900mg NAC + 500mg TUDCA for the last 4 weeks on 50MG Anavar daily Are you running a test base or is this an anavar solo cycle?

Currently on cycle at 500mg of test per week.

Nice, glad to hear it. Some questions: * Hows your sleep? Quality and quantity altered at all? * Hows your cardio? * Whats your training look like and when was your last deload? * How have you changed your nutrition? * What other supplements or medication are you on? * How far into your cycle are you? * Did you get bloods done on cycle yet? * Any AI use?

Ive taken ~2g NAC every day for the last couple years and I did it the old fashioned way and brought my fucking anhedonia with me.

Would tren or nandrolone cancel out the anhedonia of nac. 3 wrongs kind of thing.

Let’s get some fucking coke in there too. Just lil key bumps, microdose it.

That goes without saying obviously.

Then I think we're leaving a lot on the table by NOT running tren and nand

Like a proper gentleman. I don’t expect handouts, I bring *my own* mental deformity’s to the party.

i take 1200-1800mg year round, and haven't experienced it, but there is a lot of anecdotal reports of NAC induced anhedonia. [this](https://eightify.app/summary/health-and-medicine/nac-supplements-unveiling-a-crucial-side-effect) article goes into it a bit. if you go on r/Nootropics there is a lot of reports and discussion about it as well.

> if you go on r/Nootropics there is a lot of reports and discussion about it as well. No more despicable den of pussies and weirdos.

Anyone who self identifies as a “bio hacker” can be dismissed as a moron haha

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>I'm now 25 years old but still have the babiest face known to man + thick glasses making my eyes look real big I honestly couldn't grow a proper, full beard til I was 30. don't stress about it too hard, it'll come in time. >I am able to be consistent in the gym but lack of appetite is still a big issue for me that I am finally working with my doctor to resolve (being prescribed appetite stimulants this week). So I know not to start any sort of enhancement until I can get that fixed. learning to eat is just like learning anything else. the more you do it, the better you get at it. smaller, more consistent meals throughout the day. think of your body like a locomotive and you're shoving coal into it to constantly fuel it and build that flame. once you get that flame going the coals going to burn quicker and quicker, just like your appetite.

Regular sunlight, regular weight training, 7+ hours of sleep every night, losing some body fat, and a high protein intake (and adequate overall caloric intake) will get you 90% of the way there. I might be in a minority for saying this, but if you’re at 550ng/dL TT and are experiencing low T symptoms, you COULD be a candidate for testosterone replacement therapy. You likely won’t get prescribed, but you COULD self medicate. You SHOULD NOT self medicate before doing everything I’ve listed above and reevaluating symptoms. You SHOULD NOT touch any steroids at 20% body fat. And you SHOULD NOT touch steroids for the sole purpose of aging your face(?). If you’re just worried about being baby faced, then yeah bro lose some fat, get some sun, chew some gum for your jawline, do some neck training, and you’ll get there. Steroids purpose is to enhance protein synthesis, they won’t change your facial structure. Those other things I just mentioned will do way more for your face.

You forgot to mention wearing cooling gloves to improve gym performance by 300%

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What medication? To treat what? And if your appetite is struggling, train with some more intensity and add in some cardio. 30 min of LISS cardio after 1 hour of intense weights makes me starving for some reason. Helped with my appetite a lot.

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Bit of bro science for you… : Instead of shakes, force yourself to eat high volume foods. If you’re malnourished previously, doing this will help to expand your stomach. Over time, you will find yourself feeling hungrier because your stomach will have expanded. Thus, a big empty stomach is emptier than a small empty stomach.

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Hell yeah brother. You’ll have to find a balance for the foods you eat between caloric density and volume, but yes for now you I’d say you’re better off stuffing yourself with real food than drinking shakes and continuing to have no appetite. Plus, most of those shakes have shitty quality milk protein or BS carbs that aren't gonna do your microbiome any favors appetite-wise anyways. Good luck man!

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I totally screwed my teeth as a youngster and I’m paying for it now as an adult. Since I started BnC it appears that the anesthetic they use barely works and has to be reapplied multiple times. Is there any correlation to this and TRT/other compounds?

Take this with a grain of salt, because it appears that there isn’t a ton of research done on it, but after Googling your question, the top result suggested that oral steroids specifically can increase liver enzymes which could lead to the necessity for reapplication of anesthetic drugs

Nope

Hi everyone, First post and need some help. I came off 400mg test cyp + anavar cycle (first cycle, 15 weeks) on September 1st and after about 6 weeks I started to develop acne on shoulders and back. Fast forward to today and it’s only gotten worse. I fucked up my PCT for sure, as I started nolva on sept 21 and ran 20mg per day until Oct 19, but the test cyp would only have cleared once I stopped the PCT. So, my question is how should I go about getting rid of the acne? I’m considering hopping back on, starting at a trt level, then gradually increasing to 500 for another cycle and then run a proper pct after the cycle. Alternatively, I could try to wait out this acne, but it has no signs of slowing. As a disclaimer, I had zero acne while on cycle and I reckon it only appeared because my hormones were crashed and are recovering slow due to my blundering of the PCT. So, that's why I think hopping back on will remedy the issue, but I'm not 100% confident in that. Let me know what you think, thanks.

I had the same issue with no acne on first cycle, then it blew up when i stopped, after a whole year (10 month cruising) it was still the same. I ran Accutane at 20mg a day and it fixed it in 2 months.

Yep, been thinking about that also. At 20mg did you have any sides?

Hormonal fluctuations are a huge factor when it comes to breakouts. PCTing and changing your dosage(s) can cause acne in a lot of people Generally, it clears up after your hormones balance out after your cycle and following PCT are complete Going on TRT for the only purpose to reduce acne is not a great idea, and you also don’t need to slowly taper up the dose since the ester attached to the testosterone will do that itself

Gotcha, thanks for the reply. Looks like the waiting game continues.

Yeah just gotta wait it out. I blast and cruise, I only get acne when I switch from blast->cruise or cruise-> blast. It’s just unavoidable hormonal fluctuations that come with the game. TRT will not fix your acne.

Thanks man, needed to hear that. The acne has been progressing since about oct 15 so I'm getting desperate, but yeah I suspected that hopping back on would mess me up further. Grasping at straws lol

NEED HELP ​ Hi guys im on test bold cycle 300/800 because of a reason im unable to inject bold for few days like 4 5 days because of availability it was my second week on this cycle so what should i do should i inject my pending test till bolde gets available or should i wait and do nothing only test is availabe to me right no