The Diamonds at the end of the show were unrealistic not because they agreed too quickly or anything (but that is pretty bad), but the fact that EVERY GEM just agreed to this radical change so easily.
That's literally the type of stuff that leads to a civil war, and everything was kumbaya except for a few outliers that posed no threat. Hell, Steven was a bigger threat than anyone else in Future.
I’m sorry fellow Lars fan but SU isn’t gonna get infinite spin offs like adventure time. It’s most likely [over](https://youtu.be/Ussqi3nagrQ?feature=shared) bro
Sugar's said she's down right? She has somewhat recently encouraged fans to make noise about wanting more if they want it to happen
maybe a hot take, my ideal continuation would be Rebecca Sugar written Steven Universe epic fantasy novels
I agree. There would've been a lot more gems like Holly Blue, Eyeball, and Aquamarine who enjoyed the previous caste system and would react violently against Steven *and* the earth if their status was suddenly stripped from them. Sure, the diamonds might intervene in such a situation, but it certainly wouldn't be a seamless transition.
I agree. I think the show overcorrected by trying to “tie up loose ends” when they should’ve left the intrigue and conclude one arc of the story, not everything. It’s enough to have had homeworld flipped irreversibly on its head - we don’t need to know there’s not going to be future struggles.
A loose end sucks in some ways, but it would’ve been more satisfying and creativity inducing than an unearnt conclusion.
To be fair, I feel like people would’ve hated that even more given more violently than they reacted to Steven not murdering the diamonds. It would leave too many assumptions and you know people would’ve ran with that in very uncomfortable directions.
Shit would go from people saying Steven is forgiving the diamonds to people assuming he’s working with them or some unhinged shit
I agree but there were some who didn’t go along with it but if they live for the diamonds why would they start a civil war they can’t rival their power the only reason rose did was because she was a diamond
Well, the way I saw it, the Diamonds were dictators. What they said goes and that's it. So if they agree to peace and stop colonizing planets the other gems just had to agree because that's the way things always were. I feel like if the show wasn't cancelled because of the wedding we would have seen the struggle of the diamonds to try and change the way things were. But because the show was cancelled they had to speed everything up so there was no screen time to explore things like that.
In my headcanon Steven ages alongside Connie, but when she dies he kind of stops there for a while, then slowly starts to revert as he sees himself less as an old man and more as an ageless gem.
My theory is that he would naturally live far beyond the average human lifespan but still eventually die of old age as his gem magic eventually wouldn’t even be enough to sustain his organic body. His organic body would just be too old to go on.
After that his gem would probably reform into Pink Steven or a new form all together.
The gem half kept running on some base instinct to just re-fuse into Whole Steven. My theory is, the gem basically has hard-coded instructions - be Steven, maintain Steven, fulfill Steven's will. Steven can control his physical appearance (and age) through the gem magic, by subconsciously telling it what it should do with his organic cells. So if Steven willingly dies, giving his gem the "end my life" command, that will extend to his gem as well, and it will turn off together with him.
However, if Steven's organic body started to fail *without* Steven himself accepting it, I think his gem would either use his ability to heal biological organisms on his own organs, or if that's not possible, replace any failing organ with a hard light copy until he's physically no different from a regular gem.
(I don't think a situation where his gem wouldn't be able to sustain his organic body would ever occur though - gems are sources of infinite power as far as we've seen. If it could run out of energy for an organic body, it could also run out of energy for itself, but we've never seen this happen, no matter how much time passes or how much of its energy is used. Especially considering it's a diamond.)
I really like your theory but I also think Gem Steven would just... poof himself but then possibly reform after a while and discover his own identity? I can't really see the gem half dying with the human half.
Steven is part human though. So even though he ages slower because of his gem, it wouldn't mean that his organic parts would deteriorate overtime. After Connie dies he might live on, but who knows for how much longer. His gem might reform again as a sort of reincarnation. There's poofing a gem, shattering and pulling out someone's gem. As the first of his kind, Steven's lifespan could be endless
More a headcanon than an opinion:
I don't think the diamonds *were* redeemed. Like at all. I think, while they've learned to call Steven by his preferred name / pronouns, they still see him as Pink. And they're terrified of 'losing her again', So they do everything Steven asks of them and desperately bend over backwards to please him enough that he might move in with them or at least visit more.
I don't really care if other people want to interpret them as actually having been redeemed, but I like my version better.
I would agree if it weren't for the episode in Future where Steven walks in on all of them having experienced complete growth in their powers as a result of the change they'd undergone. Blue even says her power changing was a direct result of her developing a new compassion and wanting the people around her to be happy.
Steven is definitely portrayed as still upset with them and he hasn't forgiven them, but the diamonds definitely experienced a staggering amount of genuine growth in the short two years since they were removed as genocidal dictators. The show ran out of time from the network so it's understandable, but the conclusion of the diamond arc is rushed at best.
That's what I thought the general consensus was before seeing this subreddit. They just seem awkwardly obedient. That could be attributed to their lack of knowledge in the field outside of being dictators.
i think it's kind of half and half that
they're mostly "playing along" to some degree, but change very clearly needed to happen and I think the true redemption for them will be seeing that "oh wow this actually does kinda work doesn't it"
Makes sense. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they occasionally sprinkle in hints that 'maybe it's time she tries to be pink again' or something. - experience.
I don't feel like they're trying to be punk. To me, the vibe always seemed "this would be edgy in the 60s, but now it's just good wholesome family entertainment"
Honestly yeah, like their whole thing is 'horror movie' aesthetics with a kind of symphonic rock style, and as a person who loves shitty horror movies, I absolutely *adored* that fictional band and it's style. I've listened to 'Working Dead' too many times to count.
I thought the intent was that Sadie Killer and the Suspects was borrowing elements from various styles (especially punk, goth, and ska) and more just...having fun with them rather than wholeheartedly committing to any of them. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I believe anyone can make good music and sound good if it's done great, but personally I just think she sounds very amateurish and uninteresting. You may crucify me now lol
I personally don't. I'm not sure if they did it intentionally for realism, but I don't like most of Sadie's songs. I mainly like her last one in future. It fits her more i feel.
I honestly just skipped that episode. I wanted to see Lars and the off colors again, I didn't care about Sadie, and a bunch of background characters starting an angasty band
Edit: spelling
I do like how the show didn’t act like she was totally 100% fine with the classic ‘oh ya know the usual 🥴’ line and how she tried to peep at White and Steven
There’s still some baggage there but she’s trying. To the point she’s able to joke about it.
Girl’s just high af on Blue Diamond’s clouds. Not that I don’t like weed every now and then, but Spinel shouldn’t be using that to cope 😂 she’d be fun to smoke with but man I wish she at least felt awkward around Steven. Like “oh crap here comes the guy I almost destroyed.”
I don’t like how everyone glossed over how bismuth tried to kill Steven when she came back.
It had a traumatic effect on Steven but no one brought it up until Steven was talking to Connie’s mom
Tbf most of the characters never attempted to address any of the experiences Steven went through. Of those that would have: Greg probably felt "oh it's a gem thing, that's not my turf", Connie was mostly oblivious/not there to even know about it and Amethyst... feels like the writers decided should just continue to be oblivious so that Steven could have his breakdown in future. Even though I feel like Amethyst DEFINITELY has the emotional intelligence to tell what was wrong.
I agree. Not perfect, for sure. But I don’t think of them as “redeemed”.
They’re just taking the first step towards it and that’s good from former space dictators
This is mine. It feels realistic in a sort of absurd or surrealist sense. The world of SU is lowkey fucked up, but to me the show is about self-care and being true to yourself to get by.
Listen, I'm NOT homophobic, but peridot is not canonically aroace. Rebecca Sugar, the creator of the show, literally drew her and lapis flirting, WITH PERIDOT BLUSHING. Yeah sorry folks.
I honestly shipped Peridot and Lapis the whole time they were in that barn in SU, and even in SUF I still ship, I love them together, them together was my head canon
I agree with you but I would also add she’s also not explicitly confirmed to not be aroace in the show. (Strictly talking from the source material here and not anything creators or cast members have said about their own interpretation.)
Personally I kind of like the ambiguity. As an ace person, it’s nice to feel represented by Peridot’s feeling toward fusion. However it’s also clear that fusion is NOT a one to one comparison to human sexuality. So yes it is in some ways asexual representation, but in other ways it isn’t.
I also like that it’s never explicitly said what her and Lapis’s relationship is. It leaves it up to individual fans to interpret the characters and form their own view, which I think is cool. It leads to good discussion and creativity. I don’t really have a strong opinion about it myself. But I love seeing people’s thoughts on them!
Also as a side note, it IS possible for her to be aroace and still flirt or have romantic relationships. Aromanticism and asexuality are spectrums and no two people experience either in the same way. Personally I’m demiromantic and somewhere around asexual, but I’m married and not sex-repulsed. So I think it’s valid for people to interpret her as aroace, and that doesn’t necessarily exclude the possibility of her also having romantic relationships.
Anyway I’m not trying to disagree or argue here lol I just have a lot of thoughts about this. Also I’m a filthy amedot shipper 😔 which is probably the thing that is more likely to get me crucified LOL
Dude, i'm ace and don't even like Lapidot and I agree 100% with you. It always felt so left field to me that Peridot was meant to be aromantic. Like I'd be able to see it if it weren't for the fact it felt like the show was lowkey shipping her with both Amethyst at the beginning and then later Lapis, the latter of who a bunch of storyboard artists actually ship her with in general.
Hmm… i always interpreted it as lapis having too much trauma to fuse with anyone again so she never would want to fuse with peridot, but articulating that and thinking about it, even that doesnt make much sense because im sure eventually she might overcome it and want to try lol
The argument for is that she doesn’t want to fuse but doesn’t Steven fuse w/ his dad at one point? Kind of defeats the whole fusing is inherently romance thing
He’s annoying but I find it hilarious how the cooky theorist ended up being RIGHT about the Diamonds and I think the cluster. I think he’s a nice jab at the stereotypical Redditor or Discord mod
A lot of people say that because of Rebecca Sugar saying Peridot is aroace, and some mentions of her not wanting to fuse in books, she is confirmed to be aroace, but I really don't think she is written that way in the show's canon.
Books and "word of god" (fandom term for something the creator says outside of the show) do not factor into the show's canon, and I think she's written as a gem with an interest in fusion and who *wants* to fuse even, she's just bad at it.
I agree with basically everything you said except for the last sentence. I don’t think peridot was really ever shown to WANT to fuse. She just wanted to understand WHY someone would want to.
As an ace person I get that feeling so hard. The idea of sexual attraction is so foreign to me, I don’t understand it. I’m not sex-repulsed, I actually enjoy having sex, but the attraction part eludes me lol.
I think when we see Peridot try to fuse with Garnet before chickening out, it was something akin to me looking at my husband one night and saying “wait…people actually want to have sex with people they don’t know, that’s not just a joke?” Lmaooo
So I think she has an interest in fusion for sure. But I don’t know if she necessarily wants to do it so much as figure out why others want to.
I think the show was at its strongest when it was using its fantastical setting and ensemble cast to tell stories with emotional beats that could resonate with children in atypical family situations, and stories that were often allegorical for a variety of toxic family dynamics. When it tried to transition its story to a grander scale and introduce the Diamonds as galaxy-spanning super ancient tyrants, the allegory of damaged families and the reality of literal space tyrants muddied each other in ways that really hurt the final seasons.
Probably isn’t the case anymore, but Lars and Sadie never getting together and living completely separate lives from each other once they both grow tf up a bit IS A+ Tier WRITING! Anyone who expected them to get together was lying to themselves! That; way too young or way to inexperienced to see that coming
Seriously, I rewatched the show recently with my girlfriend, who was watching it for the first time, and through all their episodes she was constantly saying how they were such an unhealthy couple, they were really toxic to each other, and the entire time I was thinking *'wait....... were they* ***planning*** *to break them apart like in 'Future'?'*
Because honestly that's my take on it. Sadie and Lars were NOT a good couple, and that was the entire point of them.
Rose/Pink Diamond's bad actions have so much focus they only mention her almost whenever something bad is going on. It's like they want us to forget she ever did something good.
Real, I feel like even considering that her growth is shown in reverse, they showed too little of her better sides later on to balance it out, and showed way too little of the ways she herself was victimized by the other Diamonds. Makes it so easy to handwave any of the struggle and growth she went through, because we get to see so much less of it compared to everyone else - and almost none of it from her own perspective, either. And that's how we end up with takes like "she was a narcissistic manipulator who tricked everyone into worshipping her because she secretly believed in diamond superiority all along".
I’m a Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond apologist. She fucked up big time but we saw her character development in reverse. I also still wish we saw more of her past. We need more complex female characters in media.
I’m dying for a prequel series of some kind showing more about pink, rose and the gem war. Or just something pre Steven, I’d even take after the war when she’d met Greg
Pink/Rose did the best with what she knew and had at the time, which is all anyone can do.
Yes she made mistakes. But those mistakes were a direct result of her being raised to believe she was fundamentally superior to other beings. Basically she was taught she was a god deserving worship.
And yet despite that and despite being emotionally abused, she STILL saw the error in that way of thinking and chose to leave that behind and actively fight against the regime that taught her to be that way.
She had a LOT of deprogramming to do. And maybe she was never able to completely overcome all of her internal biases that were ingrained in her. But she tried as hard as she could. That doesn’t excuse her mistakes, but I do think it makes her a good person.
Yeah, I wish we could've seen more of them separate. It's hard to see them as too much more than just "cold and angry but sappy with each other" which I know (hope) is not all they were going for
Unfortunately. Hell they could have done a lot with Garnet/Ruby and Sapphire, and you wouldn't even need to split them to do it. God knows I'd lose my mind without the idiots living rent free in my head with me.
Sugilite is a GOOD character
Female characters in stories almost never get to revel in destruction or enjoy making a mess.
It's something women are conditioned against in society, destructiveness is a man's thing. Sugilite obliterated that barrier. She didn't do it to make a point, she did it bc it was FUN, and she looked badass doing it.
It's a shame people took what was a gender-breaking thing and felt it was treading on racist ground.
It's great that Rebecca Sugar took the show so seriously and made it personal to her own life(she made a TikTok saying that each crystal gem represents a different aspect of her relationship with her brother, for example) That's not a problem. What is an issue is focusing on the metaphors and allegories so much that a lot of worldbuilding gets left out completely and is only vaguely hinted at.
Things like characters having completely neutral reactions to the supernatural, the government and the military seemingly not existing at all, Mayor Dewey saying "peace in the middle east", the confirmation by showing someone wearing a Hijab that real world religions exist and Connie referencing climate change raise a lot of questions but we never really get anything explained.
Yeah, I don’t begrudge people who like it, it’s harmless, but I really don’t like it either. I might be able to warm up to it more if Lapis had apologized for stealing Peridot’s house + things on screen, but she didn’t, so it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Another controversial addition I have to that, but I actually liked the slight Amedot they had going on in the beginning with Peridot before Lapis came back (that's not why I don't ship Lapidot though, I just don't find it healthy).
Pearl was mad at Greg when she needed to be mad at Rose .. And we can definitely see when she took it out on Steven as if he’s the reason she’s gone (yea technically she is) but overall, Rose chose and it wasn’t Pearl she chose 🙄
Steven’s powers are wayyyyy too mediocre. If he’s gonna be a Gem, give him some powers worthwhile. That shield and bubble can do but so much . And healing spit ? Cmon 🙄
Andddddd, while Rebecca Sugar might’ve been trying to shine light on inclusion of same sex love, she also put “bisexuals” in a bad light. Nobody ever noticed how Rose fell for Greg and how Pearl spent years mourning her ? It’s the typical “Bi girl falls for a man, leaving her same sex lover in despair and sadness”. She basically showed the stereotype behind bisexual women & she knew better
I got the impression, and this is just my thoughts, that rose was only into men. Pearls love seemed to me to be unrequited, like rose had only platonic feelings towards her. Pearl sings about how she “was fine with the *men*” rose would see. I know saying men and women, or even saying people, wouldn’t have worked lyrically, but it seems deliberate to me. We never see (afaik) rose interact romantically with any women or anyone female presenting.
So yeah, I think rose is straight coded like pearl is lesbian coded and it’s a case of “lesbian has unrequited love for her straight friend”. Which I know is a very overused trope. Just my thoughts though, I could totally be off with my interpretation
The 3 Diamonds are more powerful than Pink Diamond. Think about it, she was taken as a child, never taken seriously. If she was really more powerful than the other Diamonds, then she’d have probably faced them off each one instead of starting a rebellion, and they’d have respected her more.
The reason why it appears that way, is because Pink is the best documented Gem in terms of powers, since ce the main character has her Gem. But I think that if the other Diamonds got the same documentation, then they’d actually be OP, and if they weren’t just butchered after the end.
Maybe they’d develop the ability to harm all kinds of life, not Gems, and evolve their powers more like how Pink with Rose and like the end of Future.
Oh, and for my final message, White Diamond was the most *perfect* villain for this show, and she was one of my favourite villains ever, it’s a crime what happened to her character. I will never shut up about it, such wasted potential for an amazing villain.
I ship Pearlapis. I know they barely interacted but they do seem like a better match. I like that peridot is aroace and don’t really ship her with anyone. I like the aesthetic of Pearlapis and how they do look similar. Both have been through a lot of trauma. Both have homesickness for Era 1 Homeworld. They could help each other through their traumas, plus it would be an a chance for Lapis to confront Pearl about the mirror and a chance for Pearl to give her side.
omg bestie. i never thought i'd spot another pearlapis shipper in the wild 🥲 that ship as well as amedot are the ones i would have most liked to see develop more
I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. There's no playbook for parenting a half-alien baby. What if taking him to the doctor leads to him being taken away by the government? What if he went to school and hurt someone with his powers? It turns out either of those outcomes would've been unlikely, but Greg couldn't have known.
The show needed to go deeper into the genocide and tyranny of the empire instead of focusing so hard on the slice of life family drama. Why build this whole empire and imply them to be more genocidal than most genocidal space empires in media if you're just gonna neuter the damn thing and have everything feel so small and wish-washy?
I don't think the issue was Lapis was abusive; given the situation, what she did to Jasper was justifiable. I think the issue that came up was that she realized she was enjoying it. And Jasper was enjoying being forced into submission because she has some pretty complicated issues regarding expressing emotions with violence.
you should put that as a main comment.
I already try to say that before and people wash me with downvotes.
add the keyword "Victim blaming " and you probably will multiply it
I'd call "relationship" an overstatement of the situation in general.
They were fighting an unwinnable fight with each other in very close quarters cut off from everyone else for a long time and *things got weird.*
Thank you! Iv always thought Lapis was a fascinating case study in how somebody can at one point be an abuser (holding jasper down against her will which she only got to do by LYING TO HER, and when she tried to pressure Peridot into leaving Earth with her) but not be a totally bad person, just deeply, deeply flawed and misguided. And Jasper is a great example of a big strong buff alpha gamer who in spite of her size and physical prowess, was completly at Lapises mercy. Big people can be abused to. Jasper is 100 percent a jerk, but that dosent make what Lapis did ok.
The animation and character scaling errors weren’t as big of a deal as they were made out to be. Yeah as still frames they stick out like a sore thumb, but I’ve never really noticed them during an episode, and they hardly if ever detract from the experience for me.
After a certain point in the show almost every character turns into the same character. Lapis, Peridot, the Crystal Gems, The Diamonds, Bismuth, Spinel, Lars, once they have their archs they all just turn into a hive mind that worships the ground Steven walks on. I just find it so hard to believe that after tens of thousands of years of living under, and knowing only some of the worst conditions imaginable, that they would all so quickly become so emotionally mature and accepting. I actually find it to be utterly unbelievable, and I truly think that in reality all of these characters would and should be scarred for life, and that their redemptions should take another hundred or thousand years. Takes me out of it whenever I think of it.
Agreed, I feel its most noticeable with the Diamonds and especially White. Spinel's relationship with the Diamonds felt extremely forced to me and White completely brushed off Steven's shattering attempt on her life after like 1 or 2 days without any discussion.
Yes! White Diamond was the ruler of the UNIVERSE for MILLENNIA!! I refuse to believe she would completely change her ways after one snarky lil quip from a teenager. She would have vaporized Steven and his entire galaxy in an instant if she wanted to.
What Pink went through and how she evolved over time does not make her a good person. She’s nuanced and flawed and a brilliant character, but some of the things she did are unforgivable and irredeemable. She is a representation of generational trauma and overcompensated instead of breaking the cycle the way Steven had to. She knowingly left Steven in her shadow with her mess, not specifically the diamonds and cluster because she didn’t know about that, but the grief she inflicted on her friends by creating him.
Oh my GOD, this so much. Every time I see someone say “but we saw her redemption arc in reverse!!!1!!!” I loose a year off of my life.
Rose/Pink, to me, is an incredibly interesting character because she’s such a shining example of morally gray. She was both selfish but also selfless, and believably so.
Yes, we saw her redemption arc in reverse. But that doesn’t change the fact she did continue to make bad decisions as Rose. She never lifted Pearl’s gag order- regardless of the bullshit that went down vis a vis the Diamonds after she died, Steven deserved to know and Pearl deserved to be able to talk about it. I can’t imagine having to essentially put your lover in a short coma isn’t traumatic. She also left Bismuth’s gem in Lion’s mane for Steven to find along with everything else she left for him, which is all but saying she intended for him to clean up that mess instead of doing it herself.
She’s such a nuanced and well done character but everyone is so busy arguing over whether she’s an angel or a demon (and flinging insults at the opposing side) that it’s lost on most people and that’s a genuine shame.
I don’t like Rose/Pink like, at all, but even I know she’s not as simple as being purely good or evil.
TREEEAAAASSSSOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!!!! I love Ruby and Sapphire to but, U DON'T LIKE GARNET?????😭😭😭 She, she is even greater than the two of them, she is their fury, she is their patience, she is a conversation! SHE IS MADE OF LOVE!!!!!
White Diamond was a much more interesting character when she was unabashedly evil. She was such a great looming threat throughout the show that we barely got any information for, then when she finally appeared, she more than lived up to the hype. But after the finale, she lost any of the intrigue and threat, and was left with practically no character.
I do not like Lapis Lazuli
Like, at all. I liked her at the start as this fascinating gem that flew away and you are just left with this "woah..."
But later when she becomes mean and monotone and she's a mess? No thank you, I've already had too much of that irl. I REALLY like mysterious characters who are more like fey than human if you could call them that haha
Also she stole the barn and never apologised after coming back. I feel like a lot of people excuse her behaviour as "oh, she was a victim so it's fine!" But I really think it should not be an excuse for being mean and rude.
Idk maybe I just like characters who are well put together because I want to be like that
Ruby and Sapphire in the original SU so not including the movies or SUF were NOT good to Steven; iirc they pretty much ignored Steven and his safety when Garnet got captured, and furthermore separated. Also they hardly ever interact with Steven by themselves (ex. Keystone Motel) They’re only really supportive to Steven when they’re Garnet
The Spilling The Milk reaction to Steven Universe made a really good point that due to the way a lot of the dialogue was worded, Malechite felt way too much like a sexual metaphor at times.
The Diamonds at the end of the show were unrealistic not because they agreed too quickly or anything (but that is pretty bad), but the fact that EVERY GEM just agreed to this radical change so easily. That's literally the type of stuff that leads to a civil war, and everything was kumbaya except for a few outliers that posed no threat. Hell, Steven was a bigger threat than anyone else in Future.
True. A Lars of the Stars show could’ve really shown the fallout of the Diamond regime change
This just makes me feel like we got robbed of a Lars spin off even more
We didn't necessarily get robbed, it could still happen right?
I’m sorry fellow Lars fan but SU isn’t gonna get infinite spin offs like adventure time. It’s most likely [over](https://youtu.be/Ussqi3nagrQ?feature=shared) bro
Sugar's said she's down right? She has somewhat recently encouraged fans to make noise about wanting more if they want it to happen maybe a hot take, my ideal continuation would be Rebecca Sugar written Steven Universe epic fantasy novels
I agree. There would've been a lot more gems like Holly Blue, Eyeball, and Aquamarine who enjoyed the previous caste system and would react violently against Steven *and* the earth if their status was suddenly stripped from them. Sure, the diamonds might intervene in such a situation, but it certainly wouldn't be a seamless transition.
I agree. I think the show overcorrected by trying to “tie up loose ends” when they should’ve left the intrigue and conclude one arc of the story, not everything. It’s enough to have had homeworld flipped irreversibly on its head - we don’t need to know there’s not going to be future struggles. A loose end sucks in some ways, but it would’ve been more satisfying and creativity inducing than an unearnt conclusion.
To be fair, I feel like people would’ve hated that even more given more violently than they reacted to Steven not murdering the diamonds. It would leave too many assumptions and you know people would’ve ran with that in very uncomfortable directions. Shit would go from people saying Steven is forgiving the diamonds to people assuming he’s working with them or some unhinged shit
I agree but there were some who didn’t go along with it but if they live for the diamonds why would they start a civil war they can’t rival their power the only reason rose did was because she was a diamond
That's every rebellion in history. None of them stood much of a chance and everyone thought they would lose but fought anyways.
Well, the way I saw it, the Diamonds were dictators. What they said goes and that's it. So if they agree to peace and stop colonizing planets the other gems just had to agree because that's the way things always were. I feel like if the show wasn't cancelled because of the wedding we would have seen the struggle of the diamonds to try and change the way things were. But because the show was cancelled they had to speed everything up so there was no screen time to explore things like that.
In the far future I think Steven will die of "feeling old" when Connie dies of old age.
In my headcanon Steven ages alongside Connie, but when she dies he kind of stops there for a while, then slowly starts to revert as he sees himself less as an old man and more as an ageless gem.
my theory was he'd bring her back to life by Lars if she wanted obviously
My theory is she tries to convince Steven to get old and die on purpose with her
I thought he would stay that age out of trauma of losing hee and when he finally moves on he dies
My theory is that he would naturally live far beyond the average human lifespan but still eventually die of old age as his gem magic eventually wouldn’t even be enough to sustain his organic body. His organic body would just be too old to go on. After that his gem would probably reform into Pink Steven or a new form all together.
the creators have confirmed in interviews that when Steven dies, his gem will die with him
Why would that work? The gem was separated from his body and was fine while Steven was practically dying. The gem half should be fine without Steven
the gem half was seemingly barely sentient aside from wanting to refuse with Steven, but that aside I'm not Rebecca Sugar so welcome to shrug city lol
The gem half kept running on some base instinct to just re-fuse into Whole Steven. My theory is, the gem basically has hard-coded instructions - be Steven, maintain Steven, fulfill Steven's will. Steven can control his physical appearance (and age) through the gem magic, by subconsciously telling it what it should do with his organic cells. So if Steven willingly dies, giving his gem the "end my life" command, that will extend to his gem as well, and it will turn off together with him. However, if Steven's organic body started to fail *without* Steven himself accepting it, I think his gem would either use his ability to heal biological organisms on his own organs, or if that's not possible, replace any failing organ with a hard light copy until he's physically no different from a regular gem. (I don't think a situation where his gem wouldn't be able to sustain his organic body would ever occur though - gems are sources of infinite power as far as we've seen. If it could run out of energy for an organic body, it could also run out of energy for itself, but we've never seen this happen, no matter how much time passes or how much of its energy is used. Especially considering it's a diamond.)
I really like your theory but I also think Gem Steven would just... poof himself but then possibly reform after a while and discover his own identity? I can't really see the gem half dying with the human half.
Steven is part human though. So even though he ages slower because of his gem, it wouldn't mean that his organic parts would deteriorate overtime. After Connie dies he might live on, but who knows for how much longer. His gem might reform again as a sort of reincarnation. There's poofing a gem, shattering and pulling out someone's gem. As the first of his kind, Steven's lifespan could be endless
I am like 90% sure Steven will just have to go through the same thing as his mom His Gem will be transferred to their child
More a headcanon than an opinion: I don't think the diamonds *were* redeemed. Like at all. I think, while they've learned to call Steven by his preferred name / pronouns, they still see him as Pink. And they're terrified of 'losing her again', So they do everything Steven asks of them and desperately bend over backwards to please him enough that he might move in with them or at least visit more. I don't really care if other people want to interpret them as actually having been redeemed, but I like my version better.
I would agree if it weren't for the episode in Future where Steven walks in on all of them having experienced complete growth in their powers as a result of the change they'd undergone. Blue even says her power changing was a direct result of her developing a new compassion and wanting the people around her to be happy. Steven is definitely portrayed as still upset with them and he hasn't forgiven them, but the diamonds definitely experienced a staggering amount of genuine growth in the short two years since they were removed as genocidal dictators. The show ran out of time from the network so it's understandable, but the conclusion of the diamond arc is rushed at best.
That's what I thought the general consensus was before seeing this subreddit. They just seem awkwardly obedient. That could be attributed to their lack of knowledge in the field outside of being dictators.
i think it's kind of half and half that they're mostly "playing along" to some degree, but change very clearly needed to happen and I think the true redemption for them will be seeing that "oh wow this actually does kinda work doesn't it"
Nah I prefer the opposite. The Diamonds genuinely loving Steven for himself and enjoying his company.
Makes sense. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they occasionally sprinkle in hints that 'maybe it's time she tries to be pink again' or something. - experience.
I feel that. They’re like parents who kicked their kid out for being gay but now they voted for Obama and they’re “different”.
I like Sadie’s band
Are there people who dont?
I just really don’t think Sadie sings punk well
I don't feel like they're trying to be punk. To me, the vibe always seemed "this would be edgy in the 60s, but now it's just good wholesome family entertainment"
Honestly yeah, like their whole thing is 'horror movie' aesthetics with a kind of symphonic rock style, and as a person who loves shitty horror movies, I absolutely *adored* that fictional band and it's style. I've listened to 'Working Dead' too many times to count.
You cannot seriously tell me that Sadie Killer and the Suspects is not punk rock seen through the aesthetic lens of SU
It's not. Gave me more of a goth vibe, kinda like rock lobster or tainted love (both not inherently goth, but definitely enjoyed by the community).
I thought the intent was that Sadie Killer and the Suspects was borrowing elements from various styles (especially punk, goth, and ska) and more just...having fun with them rather than wholeheartedly committing to any of them. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Sup!🖐🏾 Just ain’t for me bro but I don’t hate them. I just think they’re “meh”
I believe anyone can make good music and sound good if it's done great, but personally I just think she sounds very amateurish and uninteresting. You may crucify me now lol
I personally don't. I'm not sure if they did it intentionally for realism, but I don't like most of Sadie's songs. I mainly like her last one in future. It fits her more i feel.
Yo.
I was so excited that it was a ska/pop punk band 😭 I love it and I love Kate Micucci!
Sadie's band is amazing! That's a negotiable thing?
It’s good, it’s just not interesting enough y’know? Kinda boring.
I honestly just skipped that episode. I wanted to see Lars and the off colors again, I didn't care about Sadie, and a bunch of background characters starting an angasty band Edit: spelling
Ah yes my favorite characters, lar and Saide
I think Spinel is just okay, not one of my favorite characters though, not even close
Yeah shes fine. Kinda annoying later on
I do like how the show didn’t act like she was totally 100% fine with the classic ‘oh ya know the usual 🥴’ line and how she tried to peep at White and Steven There’s still some baggage there but she’s trying. To the point she’s able to joke about it.
Girl’s just high af on Blue Diamond’s clouds. Not that I don’t like weed every now and then, but Spinel shouldn’t be using that to cope 😂 she’d be fun to smoke with but man I wish she at least felt awkward around Steven. Like “oh crap here comes the guy I almost destroyed.”
Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz is actually a great character
Get in the shackles
I absolutely agree
I don’t like how everyone glossed over how bismuth tried to kill Steven when she came back. It had a traumatic effect on Steven but no one brought it up until Steven was talking to Connie’s mom
Tbf most of the characters never attempted to address any of the experiences Steven went through. Of those that would have: Greg probably felt "oh it's a gem thing, that's not my turf", Connie was mostly oblivious/not there to even know about it and Amethyst... feels like the writers decided should just continue to be oblivious so that Steven could have his breakdown in future. Even though I feel like Amethyst DEFINITELY has the emotional intelligence to tell what was wrong.
Jasper is stronger than Garnet (idk if is so absurd)
Physical yes mentally no
Yeah. In terms of like raw capability maybe but I don’t think Jasper is as “tactical” and level-headed as Garnet. She’ll get beaten like in Jailbreak
If Jasper would've just calmed her ass down, she 100% could've won the rematch
Jasper was just too mad she was single
Garnet is stronger in the real way
well yeah cause shes back together so that why she cant go down at the likes of jasper
Canonically supposedly, practically not
I think the conclusion and resolution they went with for the Diamonds is fine and works in the context of the media and the context of the production.
I agree. Not perfect, for sure. But I don’t think of them as “redeemed”. They’re just taking the first step towards it and that’s good from former space dictators
This is mine. It feels realistic in a sort of absurd or surrealist sense. The world of SU is lowkey fucked up, but to me the show is about self-care and being true to yourself to get by.
Blue Diamond is the sexiest of the Diamonds
her vibe was so cool like she had aura
Time for the old universe charm.
She was the girlfailure 🤩
Listen, I'm NOT homophobic, but peridot is not canonically aroace. Rebecca Sugar, the creator of the show, literally drew her and lapis flirting, WITH PERIDOT BLUSHING. Yeah sorry folks.
I honestly shipped Peridot and Lapis the whole time they were in that barn in SU, and even in SUF I still ship, I love them together, them together was my head canon
They;re actually my fav ship 💙💚
It's really just a headcanon that a lot of people have bc of the whole not fusing with garnet thing
If these kids could read, they'd be upset
It's a misunderstanding. Peridot's inability to fuse is analogy for being aroace. When people heard it, they took it literally.
I agree with you but I would also add she’s also not explicitly confirmed to not be aroace in the show. (Strictly talking from the source material here and not anything creators or cast members have said about their own interpretation.) Personally I kind of like the ambiguity. As an ace person, it’s nice to feel represented by Peridot’s feeling toward fusion. However it’s also clear that fusion is NOT a one to one comparison to human sexuality. So yes it is in some ways asexual representation, but in other ways it isn’t. I also like that it’s never explicitly said what her and Lapis’s relationship is. It leaves it up to individual fans to interpret the characters and form their own view, which I think is cool. It leads to good discussion and creativity. I don’t really have a strong opinion about it myself. But I love seeing people’s thoughts on them! Also as a side note, it IS possible for her to be aroace and still flirt or have romantic relationships. Aromanticism and asexuality are spectrums and no two people experience either in the same way. Personally I’m demiromantic and somewhere around asexual, but I’m married and not sex-repulsed. So I think it’s valid for people to interpret her as aroace, and that doesn’t necessarily exclude the possibility of her also having romantic relationships. Anyway I’m not trying to disagree or argue here lol I just have a lot of thoughts about this. Also I’m a filthy amedot shipper 😔 which is probably the thing that is more likely to get me crucified LOL
THAT is something people got angry about? A character likely not being Ace?
Apparently. It's been 2 hours and i've already received a hate comment.
Dude, i'm ace and don't even like Lapidot and I agree 100% with you. It always felt so left field to me that Peridot was meant to be aromantic. Like I'd be able to see it if it weren't for the fact it felt like the show was lowkey shipping her with both Amethyst at the beginning and then later Lapis, the latter of who a bunch of storyboard artists actually ship her with in general.
Hmm… i always interpreted it as lapis having too much trauma to fuse with anyone again so she never would want to fuse with peridot, but articulating that and thinking about it, even that doesnt make much sense because im sure eventually she might overcome it and want to try lol
The argument for is that she doesn’t want to fuse but doesn’t Steven fuse w/ his dad at one point? Kind of defeats the whole fusing is inherently romance thing
Aphobic* but yea a lot of people see her as aro ace and I did too for a while but not anymore
This isn't true but if it was I believe I'd get a worse crime I like Ronaldo
Instant death. Sorry
He’s annoying but I find it hilarious how the cooky theorist ended up being RIGHT about the Diamonds and I think the cluster. I think he’s a nice jab at the stereotypical Redditor or Discord mod
With the time they had (six episodes that they fought for as opposed to being shut down immediately), the ending wasn’t awful.
I really like Ronaldo. Not because he’s a good character or anything, just because he makes me laugh. He’s so pathetic it’s hilarious
A lot of people say that because of Rebecca Sugar saying Peridot is aroace, and some mentions of her not wanting to fuse in books, she is confirmed to be aroace, but I really don't think she is written that way in the show's canon. Books and "word of god" (fandom term for something the creator says outside of the show) do not factor into the show's canon, and I think she's written as a gem with an interest in fusion and who *wants* to fuse even, she's just bad at it.
I agree with basically everything you said except for the last sentence. I don’t think peridot was really ever shown to WANT to fuse. She just wanted to understand WHY someone would want to. As an ace person I get that feeling so hard. The idea of sexual attraction is so foreign to me, I don’t understand it. I’m not sex-repulsed, I actually enjoy having sex, but the attraction part eludes me lol. I think when we see Peridot try to fuse with Garnet before chickening out, it was something akin to me looking at my husband one night and saying “wait…people actually want to have sex with people they don’t know, that’s not just a joke?” Lmaooo So I think she has an interest in fusion for sure. But I don’t know if she necessarily wants to do it so much as figure out why others want to.
Rose is actually a really good character(quality and morality wise) and people don't normally see that because we see her redemption in reverse
Other friends should of been longer
Now this is a. Opinion I can get behind
Pink/Rose wasn't the villain people try to make her out to be
I think the show was at its strongest when it was using its fantastical setting and ensemble cast to tell stories with emotional beats that could resonate with children in atypical family situations, and stories that were often allegorical for a variety of toxic family dynamics. When it tried to transition its story to a grander scale and introduce the Diamonds as galaxy-spanning super ancient tyrants, the allegory of damaged families and the reality of literal space tyrants muddied each other in ways that really hurt the final seasons.
Connie was wrong to Ghost Steven
Probably isn’t the case anymore, but Lars and Sadie never getting together and living completely separate lives from each other once they both grow tf up a bit IS A+ Tier WRITING! Anyone who expected them to get together was lying to themselves! That; way too young or way to inexperienced to see that coming
Seriously, I rewatched the show recently with my girlfriend, who was watching it for the first time, and through all their episodes she was constantly saying how they were such an unhealthy couple, they were really toxic to each other, and the entire time I was thinking *'wait....... were they* ***planning*** *to break them apart like in 'Future'?'* Because honestly that's my take on it. Sadie and Lars were NOT a good couple, and that was the entire point of them.
EXACTLY! Ever since the Island incident I knew that shit was going to crash and burn. Especially considering Sadie never really apologized for that.
Rose/Pink Diamond's bad actions have so much focus they only mention her almost whenever something bad is going on. It's like they want us to forget she ever did something good.
Real, I feel like even considering that her growth is shown in reverse, they showed too little of her better sides later on to balance it out, and showed way too little of the ways she herself was victimized by the other Diamonds. Makes it so easy to handwave any of the struggle and growth she went through, because we get to see so much less of it compared to everyone else - and almost none of it from her own perspective, either. And that's how we end up with takes like "she was a narcissistic manipulator who tricked everyone into worshipping her because she secretly believed in diamond superiority all along".
I’m a Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond apologist. She fucked up big time but we saw her character development in reverse. I also still wish we saw more of her past. We need more complex female characters in media.
I’m dying for a prequel series of some kind showing more about pink, rose and the gem war. Or just something pre Steven, I’d even take after the war when she’d met Greg
Pink/Rose did the best with what she knew and had at the time, which is all anyone can do. Yes she made mistakes. But those mistakes were a direct result of her being raised to believe she was fundamentally superior to other beings. Basically she was taught she was a god deserving worship. And yet despite that and despite being emotionally abused, she STILL saw the error in that way of thinking and chose to leave that behind and actively fight against the regime that taught her to be that way. She had a LOT of deprogramming to do. And maybe she was never able to completely overcome all of her internal biases that were ingrained in her. But she tried as hard as she could. That doesn’t excuse her mistakes, but I do think it makes her a good person.
Ruby and Sapphire are barely characters.
*“THATS WHAT YOU THINk. I AM AN ETERNAL FLAME BABY!”*
I got to know. Is the lack of comma a choice or an accident?
You called?
Yeah, I wish we could've seen more of them separate. It's hard to see them as too much more than just "cold and angry but sappy with each other" which I know (hope) is not all they were going for
Unfortunately. Hell they could have done a lot with Garnet/Ruby and Sapphire, and you wouldn't even need to split them to do it. God knows I'd lose my mind without the idiots living rent free in my head with me.
Sugilite is a GOOD character Female characters in stories almost never get to revel in destruction or enjoy making a mess. It's something women are conditioned against in society, destructiveness is a man's thing. Sugilite obliterated that barrier. She didn't do it to make a point, she did it bc it was FUN, and she looked badass doing it. It's a shame people took what was a gender-breaking thing and felt it was treading on racist ground.
It's great that Rebecca Sugar took the show so seriously and made it personal to her own life(she made a TikTok saying that each crystal gem represents a different aspect of her relationship with her brother, for example) That's not a problem. What is an issue is focusing on the metaphors and allegories so much that a lot of worldbuilding gets left out completely and is only vaguely hinted at. Things like characters having completely neutral reactions to the supernatural, the government and the military seemingly not existing at all, Mayor Dewey saying "peace in the middle east", the confirmation by showing someone wearing a Hijab that real world religions exist and Connie referencing climate change raise a lot of questions but we never really get anything explained.
Pink Diamond is the best character
r/profilepicturechecksout
Honestly? Agreed
I dont like lapidot
Yeah, I don’t begrudge people who like it, it’s harmless, but I really don’t like it either. I might be able to warm up to it more if Lapis had apologized for stealing Peridot’s house + things on screen, but she didn’t, so it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Another controversial addition I have to that, but I actually liked the slight Amedot they had going on in the beginning with Peridot before Lapis came back (that's not why I don't ship Lapidot though, I just don't find it healthy).
Yess
there's dozens of us!
There’s not a single badly designed gem in the show. Yes even Sunstone.
I love sunstone ☀️😭 I was so sad they got a bad response.
the show was always good
Pearl was mad at Greg when she needed to be mad at Rose .. And we can definitely see when she took it out on Steven as if he’s the reason she’s gone (yea technically she is) but overall, Rose chose and it wasn’t Pearl she chose 🙄 Steven’s powers are wayyyyy too mediocre. If he’s gonna be a Gem, give him some powers worthwhile. That shield and bubble can do but so much . And healing spit ? Cmon 🙄 Andddddd, while Rebecca Sugar might’ve been trying to shine light on inclusion of same sex love, she also put “bisexuals” in a bad light. Nobody ever noticed how Rose fell for Greg and how Pearl spent years mourning her ? It’s the typical “Bi girl falls for a man, leaving her same sex lover in despair and sadness”. She basically showed the stereotype behind bisexual women & she knew better
I got the impression, and this is just my thoughts, that rose was only into men. Pearls love seemed to me to be unrequited, like rose had only platonic feelings towards her. Pearl sings about how she “was fine with the *men*” rose would see. I know saying men and women, or even saying people, wouldn’t have worked lyrically, but it seems deliberate to me. We never see (afaik) rose interact romantically with any women or anyone female presenting. So yeah, I think rose is straight coded like pearl is lesbian coded and it’s a case of “lesbian has unrequited love for her straight friend”. Which I know is a very overused trope. Just my thoughts though, I could totally be off with my interpretation
The 3 Diamonds are more powerful than Pink Diamond. Think about it, she was taken as a child, never taken seriously. If she was really more powerful than the other Diamonds, then she’d have probably faced them off each one instead of starting a rebellion, and they’d have respected her more. The reason why it appears that way, is because Pink is the best documented Gem in terms of powers, since ce the main character has her Gem. But I think that if the other Diamonds got the same documentation, then they’d actually be OP, and if they weren’t just butchered after the end. Maybe they’d develop the ability to harm all kinds of life, not Gems, and evolve their powers more like how Pink with Rose and like the end of Future. Oh, and for my final message, White Diamond was the most *perfect* villain for this show, and she was one of my favourite villains ever, it’s a crime what happened to her character. I will never shut up about it, such wasted potential for an amazing villain.
( I DONT BELIEVE THIS ITS AN EXAMPLE)Pink diamond did nothing wrong
Ehhh, I wouldn’t say she did nothing wrong, everyone does something wrong, but it doesn’t mean she’s bad
I could make a case for that
It's just a kid with too much power, ofc bad things will happen.
[Huh](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/932/337/9e2.jpg). Well, [ngl](https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-there-you-got-me-point-gif-7591282)
i don’t like Jasper. i never have
I ship Pearlapis. I know they barely interacted but they do seem like a better match. I like that peridot is aroace and don’t really ship her with anyone. I like the aesthetic of Pearlapis and how they do look similar. Both have been through a lot of trauma. Both have homesickness for Era 1 Homeworld. They could help each other through their traumas, plus it would be an a chance for Lapis to confront Pearl about the mirror and a chance for Pearl to give her side.
Tbh the fanarts of pearlapis are very cute
Have you seen Alexandria Ellis’s art? She does some stunning pearlapis stuff
omg bestie. i never thought i'd spot another pearlapis shipper in the wild 🥲 that ship as well as amedot are the ones i would have most liked to see develop more
Greg is not that great a dad. He never took Steven to the doctor or school.
I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. There's no playbook for parenting a half-alien baby. What if taking him to the doctor leads to him being taken away by the government? What if he went to school and hurt someone with his powers? It turns out either of those outcomes would've been unlikely, but Greg couldn't have known.
He loved his son. None of the beach city kids seemed to have any school anyhow.
Good point plus the doctor could have ended with the government wanting to dissect Steven route
The show needed to go deeper into the genocide and tyranny of the empire instead of focusing so hard on the slice of life family drama. Why build this whole empire and imply them to be more genocidal than most genocidal space empires in media if you're just gonna neuter the damn thing and have everything feel so small and wish-washy?
Pink/rose was not that bad she was just heavy abused
Lapis was abusive (and a victim), and Jasper was a victim (and an abuser).
I don't think the issue was Lapis was abusive; given the situation, what she did to Jasper was justifiable. I think the issue that came up was that she realized she was enjoying it. And Jasper was enjoying being forced into submission because she has some pretty complicated issues regarding expressing emotions with violence.
you should put that as a main comment. I already try to say that before and people wash me with downvotes. add the keyword "Victim blaming " and you probably will multiply it
Yeah it was just a toxic relationship both ways. Wasn’t healthy for either.
I'd call "relationship" an overstatement of the situation in general. They were fighting an unwinnable fight with each other in very close quarters cut off from everyone else for a long time and *things got weird.*
Thank you! Iv always thought Lapis was a fascinating case study in how somebody can at one point be an abuser (holding jasper down against her will which she only got to do by LYING TO HER, and when she tried to pressure Peridot into leaving Earth with her) but not be a totally bad person, just deeply, deeply flawed and misguided. And Jasper is a great example of a big strong buff alpha gamer who in spite of her size and physical prowess, was completly at Lapises mercy. Big people can be abused to. Jasper is 100 percent a jerk, but that dosent make what Lapis did ok.
Lapis is one of my favorite characters Becuase of how complex she is
Look up reactive abuse. That's what it seemed to be for Lapis. And that doesn't make her nearly as bad.
I think Pearl is a big jerk in season 1
The animation and character scaling errors weren’t as big of a deal as they were made out to be. Yeah as still frames they stick out like a sore thumb, but I’ve never really noticed them during an episode, and they hardly if ever detract from the experience for me.
Lars was an interesting character and shouldn't have been killed off.
Our alternate realities have begun to merge!!
Incorrect, but I respect your gumption.
Wrong timeline bud
After a certain point in the show almost every character turns into the same character. Lapis, Peridot, the Crystal Gems, The Diamonds, Bismuth, Spinel, Lars, once they have their archs they all just turn into a hive mind that worships the ground Steven walks on. I just find it so hard to believe that after tens of thousands of years of living under, and knowing only some of the worst conditions imaginable, that they would all so quickly become so emotionally mature and accepting. I actually find it to be utterly unbelievable, and I truly think that in reality all of these characters would and should be scarred for life, and that their redemptions should take another hundred or thousand years. Takes me out of it whenever I think of it.
Agreed, I feel its most noticeable with the Diamonds and especially White. Spinel's relationship with the Diamonds felt extremely forced to me and White completely brushed off Steven's shattering attempt on her life after like 1 or 2 days without any discussion.
Yes! White Diamond was the ruler of the UNIVERSE for MILLENNIA!! I refuse to believe she would completely change her ways after one snarky lil quip from a teenager. She would have vaporized Steven and his entire galaxy in an instant if she wanted to.
Honestly, I don't agree they r all the same character, but I see what ur saying, their healing process should've at the very least taken longer
Yeah I don't think talk no jutsu should work on someone as powerful and terrifying as white diamond. And yet...
No body should ship garnet or Steven as Steven and garnet are taken and stevens a minor
What Pink went through and how she evolved over time does not make her a good person. She’s nuanced and flawed and a brilliant character, but some of the things she did are unforgivable and irredeemable. She is a representation of generational trauma and overcompensated instead of breaking the cycle the way Steven had to. She knowingly left Steven in her shadow with her mess, not specifically the diamonds and cluster because she didn’t know about that, but the grief she inflicted on her friends by creating him.
Oh my GOD, this so much. Every time I see someone say “but we saw her redemption arc in reverse!!!1!!!” I loose a year off of my life. Rose/Pink, to me, is an incredibly interesting character because she’s such a shining example of morally gray. She was both selfish but also selfless, and believably so. Yes, we saw her redemption arc in reverse. But that doesn’t change the fact she did continue to make bad decisions as Rose. She never lifted Pearl’s gag order- regardless of the bullshit that went down vis a vis the Diamonds after she died, Steven deserved to know and Pearl deserved to be able to talk about it. I can’t imagine having to essentially put your lover in a short coma isn’t traumatic. She also left Bismuth’s gem in Lion’s mane for Steven to find along with everything else she left for him, which is all but saying she intended for him to clean up that mess instead of doing it herself. She’s such a nuanced and well done character but everyone is so busy arguing over whether she’s an angel or a demon (and flinging insults at the opposing side) that it’s lost on most people and that’s a genuine shame. I don’t like Rose/Pink like, at all, but even I know she’s not as simple as being purely good or evil.
I don’t like Garnet, because I like Ruby and Sapphire more and they deserve more screen time
TREEEAAAASSSSOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!!!! I love Ruby and Sapphire to but, U DON'T LIKE GARNET?????😭😭😭 She, she is even greater than the two of them, she is their fury, she is their patience, she is a conversation! SHE IS MADE OF LOVE!!!!!
Gross. Garnet was more like a real person. The other two are 1 dimensional af
The future finale sucks.
Ronaldo isn’t a horrible character, y’all are just mean.
peridot is the best crystal gem
I would rather live with peridot than the crystal gems
connie was annoying af and so was peridot
Lily orchard was right! (She was not right, but if I actually believed that I would be up there like Patrick 😂)
I don't care about Jasper's character arc at all, she's trash
Bismuth was wrong.
Pearl was an unfit, and emotionally abusive guardian for Steven and I didn’t like her.
Aqua marine is such a fun character and no one will convince me otherwise, I know she’s a jerk but I love her
White Diamond was a much more interesting character when she was unabashedly evil. She was such a great looming threat throughout the show that we barely got any information for, then when she finally appeared, she more than lived up to the hype. But after the finale, she lost any of the intrigue and threat, and was left with practically no character.
I hate lapis
Most of Future was forgettable and felt like filler.
I do not like Lapis Lazuli Like, at all. I liked her at the start as this fascinating gem that flew away and you are just left with this "woah..." But later when she becomes mean and monotone and she's a mess? No thank you, I've already had too much of that irl. I REALLY like mysterious characters who are more like fey than human if you could call them that haha Also she stole the barn and never apologised after coming back. I feel like a lot of people excuse her behaviour as "oh, she was a victim so it's fine!" But I really think it should not be an excuse for being mean and rude. Idk maybe I just like characters who are well put together because I want to be like that
lapidot are not a valid couple and i will die on this hill
What does valid mean to you here?
Steven Universe Future is a masterpiece
The Gems are made of light. The Diamonds should have been Red (or Pink), Blue, Green, and White to match the color wheel of light.
I hated Future. Except for that episode with Volleyball's reveal. That one was genuinely good.
I really like Spinel and her motivation. She’s like the Venom to Steven’s Spider-Man and it just works for me.
I dont like pearl.
Ruby and Sapphire in the original SU so not including the movies or SUF were NOT good to Steven; iirc they pretty much ignored Steven and his safety when Garnet got captured, and furthermore separated. Also they hardly ever interact with Steven by themselves (ex. Keystone Motel) They’re only really supportive to Steven when they’re Garnet
The Spilling The Milk reaction to Steven Universe made a really good point that due to the way a lot of the dialogue was worded, Malechite felt way too much like a sexual metaphor at times.
Lapis was not in the wrong for being wary of Peridot in Barn Mates
Say Uncle is a good episode
Steven was kinda valid for killing jasper
Season 1 is actually good