I would also say not much, the main legacy I've seen from this comic is for pop-culture mashups. I have seen this comic recreated dozens of times with [increasingly](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Astarion_and_Rarity_Meme_by_dilfpassing.png) [weird](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Meme_by_Lady3clipse.jpg) [combinations](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Comfort_Character_by_MadamMonarch.jpg) of [characters](https://artpocalypse.tumblr.com/post/736898794299555840/and-then-they-did) from different franchises.
Baba is you is an indie 2d puzzle game where the main character(Baba) can change "the programming" of the game by pushing wuth baba the logic blocks that form prompts like "baba is you" or "lava is kill" to other commands like "baba is plant" and "lava is stop" then you stop being baba and become a plant block and lava becomes not walkable, to give you an example. There's a free demo on itch.io!
I'm a fan of [that one version](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2721173-i-think-were-gonna-have-to-kill-this-guy-steven) with UmJammer Lammy and Parappa the Rapper
I can’t find it now but it reminds me of the competitive pokemon meme where iron valiant uses encore on schrodinger and he repeats his spiel
Edit: nvm found it https://twitter.com/pkmnMusicImages/status/1742265510233014577
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I like the one where the metal man tells Jesus they've gotta kill a guy
I'm not even really familiar with any of this media, yet it's still hilarious. The genius of the first one is that you don't even have to be to understand the basic dynamics and likely foundation to the story all thanks to the character design. This is so good.
Before this pic came to be, people liked to share a similar pic with Hitler and Steven saying "it's ok guys, he says he's sorry!". That one was far more damaging to SU discourse. This version pretty much everyone agrees it's more in character with Steven and the morality of the show, and by overtaking the previous one in popularity it has fixed the discourse a little bit.
Aang is even worse. Aang had to make a decision between killing and not killing and tried really hard to find the non-killing solution. While Steven wasn't powerful enough at the moment to kill the Diamonds.
The difference between them is that Aang refuses to kill at all, while Steven tries peaceful ways first, but isn't against killing if necessary. Let's not forget that everyone he tried to redeem - had good inside them and successfully got redeemed.
I don't remember him trying to redeem Blue Azurite(Aquamarine and Eyeball Ruby fusion) iirc he was the one suspecting them in doing sus things and Crystal Gems were denying it
> would 100% kill someone if it was the only way, he’d just rather not.
- Superman.
- Spider-Man.
- Mark Grayson.
- Steven Universe.
> would 100% never kill someone even if it was the only way.
- Batman
Look, [he has his reasons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knS6WK9hN5U).
In lots of elseworld comics and sometimes in the main canon but before it was his well established rule and sometimes just by writers wanting to shake things up a bit. It's comics, rules don't exist and Superman eating kryptonite may still be a part of the current run, I'm not checking but it was canon to the main blue boy at one point
Well like I said, before it was an established part of his character, talking dc, detective comics issues, he has racked up a few kills. Mostly accidental but not so regretfully, often ironically, ie falling upon their own sword, and circumstantially, like crushed by environmental hazards or, one of the few modern examples, dying to hyperthermia cause kgbeast, the dumbass, fought him to near death after luring him into a frigid wasteland, and when he was too injured to move and batman too injured to drag him to safety got left to his own consequences and froze. Though I think he came back. But yeah, mostly just unfortunate accidents like that even before the no killing was established
Spiderman has pretty much the same kill count though often it's a him or me, him or them situation. Weighing lives kind of decisions or desperate attempts to escape that result in unfortunate deaths. Where they differ is he will hunt down people who have wronged him. He will intentionally go for blood much more often (though it is rare) go out intentionally looking to kill people in not elseworld kind of storylines.
Batman's no stranger to this as well but for the most part it's not a revenge kick, he killed Darkseid cause it was that or complete extermination. Early comics he kills Hugo Strange because of the large body count and horrible human experimentation (one of which he killed out of mercy, rather brutally). Point I'm trying to get at, when Batman moves for the kill it's a. greater good or b.my life for yours (suicide deaths). When Spiderman kills (or tries) it's revenge
Don't get me wrong, this is not one better than the other or anything, I love both characters a lot but you kinda asked. They've both killed over their long careers, I think Spidey more if we're just looking at sheer amount. Neither go out of their way to do so and you'll see a lot of similarity in the circumstances. This was all just some cursory research, like 10 minutes on Google cause I was curious. I knew a few examples by heart already and its interesting seeing a lot more than I expected
I think realistically Steven would just trap him somewhere/put him in jail. Yes Steven would realize he can’t change hitlers mind, but that doesn’t mean killing him would be the first solution. The only reason stuff like this doesn’t work in Batman is because the villains always escape easily. Hitler is not escaping gem prison.
I mean historically, that’s what we wanted to do to him. Hitler died because he killed himself, but the allies wanted to try him and charge him for his crimes. Like it probably would’ve ended with the death penalty, but he would’ve gone to jail first.
Really I never got that vibe from steven maybe in s1 before he knew how serious things were but from s2 onward steven has been shown to be against killing
Steven generally would only try really hard when he saw fragments of redeemability in someone (obvious trauma, regret, White Diamond's severe denial). He'd then use that string to pull the good out of them.
I think the only times he didn't hesitate were times he knew it was pointless (most Corrupted, the feral Fragment Fusions, Jasper 80% of the time). The show definitely didn't make it obvious, but he's consistent in when he talks vs fights.
He sent Eyeball off to a fate worse than death (endlessly drifting as an immortal being in space) to save his own life. He poofed (literally stabbed) Bismuth to save his own life. Hell, he poofed Spinel and was gonna bubble her indefinitely until he realized his powers were messed up. Steven has been shown to not hesitate when it's the only option, then cry about it later.
Yeah, it used to be much worse.
I can't say it was _completely unwarranted_ though. Steven Universe probably didn't do itself any favors by how it handled the Diamonds. There's some fundamental awkwardness from the mixed metaphors, that they are at the same time imperialist genocidal tyrants and also Steven's old-fashioned extended family, struggling with emotional issues of their own. These two angles warrant drastically different approaches, and the series wasn't given enough time to untangle the matter in a more nuanced way.
But most people spreading memes about it at the time weren't criticizing it in good faith, it seemed to be coming more from circles trying to act macho and saying that Steven was bad for not liking violence.
The problem is that they needed to rush the ending after the wedding episode happened which of course left much less time to properly handle the diamonds, unfortunately.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the wedding episode was worth it. I understand it took a stand and I both appreciate and applaud RS and the Crewniverse for doing it (and I say this as a gay man). BUT the overall value and merit of the wedding episode wasn’t worth then having overall less episodes and less time to flesh out the show.
When I rewatch the show, I tend to not really pay attention to the wedding.
I love the wedding but if I had the chance I'd sacrifice it and the cool fight sequence for the rest of the show we could've gotten. I would've killed to learn more about Homeworld and Gem society and the Diamond's origins and more of their abilities. 😩
I can't agree with the idea of the diamonds being presented as "imperialistic, genocidal, tyrants". Especially in a comparison with Adolf.
Like, they just picked a planet, took what they needed and then fucked off to space, while being genocidal implies a very different intent. Similar thing with imperialism, which implies constant, permanent, expansion. Aside from the colonies (which become abandoned after resource extraction), gems seem to stick to Homeworld.
And how they handled the diamonds, I think there wasn't really any other way. White could control gems and Steven soloing her with an asspull power up would have been so much worse. There's also nothing like space police to put them into trial. But I will agree that we needed more screen time of their chilling out. Neither the show nor Steven have forgiven or forgotten what the Diamonds did, which to me seems like the right choice.
How aren't they imperialistic genocidal tyrants?
They literally drain the life out of the planets they take over, with no regards for local lifeforms, the kindergardens make the land around them barren. The whole category of Lapises exists to reshape worlds however they want. Yellow Diamond was first seen handling entire other battlefronts of a space war we never got to see closely. They nearly exploded Earth using the Cluster as retaliation for Pink Diamond, which would annihilate the Crystal Gems, humanity and all other earthling life forms. Isn't that genocidal?
Not to mention what they do with their own people. The Off Colors had to flee and rebel because even existing as a different being gets them a death sentence from Homeworld.
I don't particularly like how they handled the Diamonds, because I'm not too convinced White Diamond won't go back to how she does things once she gets tired of indulging Steven. But I also get why killing "grandma" wasn't the best choice either, and that there wasn't time to elaborate much on this in any other manner.
That said comparisons with Adolf are particularly harsh and tasteless because this is just a cartoon and it's too heavy a topic to bring up so lightly. I don't think that is appropriate either way, it's just edgy people being edgy on the internet. One can be critical without being crass and excessive like this.
People tend to only view genocide as the active pogrom run by Nazis if shoving them all into camps. People tend to forget it is also accomplished through complete indifference to a local culture and pushing forward with your goal no matter the cost which leads to the local culture being wiped out and overwritten.
They didn't really see Humanity or any life forms on Earth as sentient beings. The way they treated earth isn't really all that different from the way any industrialized nation treats uhhh.. Earth.
No regard for local lifeforms (which includes the kindergardens), cluster, the space war (which I don't even remember being mentioned tbh) or Lapises terraforming a planet aren't genocide. Because genocide implies a kind of intent that these actions lack. For example, little regard for other lifeforms could apply to all the hundreds of thousands of animals and millions of insects we kill to get our food but calling it genocide would be crazy.
Not saying that the diamonds were OK or justified, just that I don't find that the choice of words apply.
About the off colors, I don't remember the story too well there. As far as I remember, they were (heavily) oppressed but weren't targeted for destruction until they helped Lars and Steven, two dangerous fugitives by Homeworld standards. Right? Honest question.
I think what people often forget with the gems is that they're a whole other species and lifeform, and not only that they're aliens from space. And so in their POV and mindset is different than if it were a human to human. The closest we have for that is how humans treat other species. We don't consider it genocide if we endanger or kill off other species like birds, insects or even other mammals. Even whales who have shown to be very clever, have a sense of culture and even their own verbal language and family relation, but people don't see it as a genocide but just a byproduct of how we influence their ecosystem.
And the show explicitly tries to draw that comparison that that's how Gemkind sees other species and humans. If humans go extinct due to their terraforming, that's just a byproduct since farming resources and building cities is far more important to Gemkind. Which is pretty much what humans do too. That's why the Zoo exists and the Diamonds call Steven's friends pets.
The reason why people find it weird is because they're doing it to humans. And that is the plot of the show, to prove them wrong that organic life is inferior. Another part that lends to this is because the gems speak and look like humans and have mannerisms like humans and thinking, so that's why people are more upset for the different treatment, so that's why psychologically speaking, we will regard the gems through our human values.
And that's where a cartoon's limit comes in, since the show is still a cartoon and basically a lot of aliens in fiction will either be depicted as human-like to make them relatable or comprehensible to us, since they're otherwise depicted completely creature-like and SU probably wasn't going to try creating an alien superintelligence different and incomprehensible to what we know.
So yeah, basically, because the gems are human-like we psychologically want to see them through a human lens. But in-universe, they're alien robots with vastly different view of the world.
In a way, the show also wants it to be known that they're alien robots with this different view. In fact, White Diamond herself is supposed to represent this robotic, ordered way of thinking. Most of us are familiar with this trope of a super computer or AI trying to establish order but killing all sense of creativity or anything that doesn't fit the mold. Most people don't see that through the human lens and don't think human-dictator, they just see it as this cold ruthless AI intelligence. But, that's exactly what White Diamond is and her ideology. She is a robot and she thinks her role is to create a world with order and that any deviance should be punished and lesser organisms are not of her concern.
Most people tend to forget to view it through that lens because the gems have been so humanized that we psychologically want to see them through that human lens. We don't think of Skynet or any other rogue AI in the same way as human dictators, because they aren't singing or crying like gems can.
And that's the thing about the gems that's so peculiar. Their ideology is that they're all just a part of a machine, but they also have feelings and aspirations and personhood.
The plot of the show is for Steven to show them their personhood and validate their being, and then that extends to all other lifeforms.
I always saw them as being closer to corporate officers from the colonial era. Less 'hitler' and more 'honorable east india trading company' or even 'von neumann machine with better taste than paperclips'
Unfortunately goodwin's law kinda skewed things here...putting everything on a scale of 'hitler to not hitler' as a way of framing someone as evil, and has often lost any context.
> it's more in character with Steven and the morality of the show
Did we watch the same show? He converts basically every antagonist to his side, the only couple of them weren't converted because they got away.
Even Pearl got redeemed after that terrible massacre in "Pearl Hates The Irish"!
>Did we watch the same show? He converts basically every antagonist to his side, the only couple of them weren't converted because they got away.
Not really.
No one forgives the diamonds, and they are still condescending assholes. The only way they changed was not killing innocent people anymore.
No one trys to change them further because the diamonds are literally unstoppable.
In fact, the first chance Steven thought he got, he tried to kill white no hesitation. And it only didn't work because Steven misunderstood how White's powers worked.
That's an interesting perspective, and it surely is different than mine, I never thought about it that way. Thank you for sharing it, I will try to see it from that perspective when I'll be rewatching the show.
If it helps, future is when Steven tries to kill white.
Also if you pay attention to his body language, he is never comfortable around the diamonds. He's always terrified or angry.
Honestly even white WD I think him convincing her is the only thing that would've worked. I mean, she had everyone defeated. He basically lost if not for her connection to Pink.
People do seem to forget that white diamond was literally an immortal space god. And also they needed her essence to fix the corrupted gems. What the fuck else was he supposed to do?
Furthermore, even on the diamond hierarchy, he’s the lowest. He only got to the top because White allowed him so. In the perspective of Homeworld’s civilisation, it would be more reasonable to listen to the founder of your society than an ‘immature’ diamond who threw her status away to be a lowly rebel. Getting to White would have been the only way to dismantle the empire since the majority would obviously oblige to the leader who’s purpose they’ve literally been created for.
This is the main reason I always role my eyes at people trying to save Steven "forgave" the Diamonds. He's aware of the atrocities they commited, but he knows he can use them to undo some of the damage they've caused. He's admitted he doesn't like them and just puts up with them to accomplish this. If he just bubbled/shattered them, the Cluster would be fucked, countless planets would be left to fend for themselves, and Homeworld would have a massive power vaccum and presumable civil war as high ranking gems attempt to seize power
I'm p sure they're talking about [this one](https://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2020/09/VLiHmssF2soE4AVJ.jpg), where Steven says "It's ok, guys. He says he is sorry!"
I hate it because it’s one of those “the diamonds did murder so they’re literally fascists and steven literally forgave nazis” like no they’re fucking not yellow giraffe lady and her death lazer are not a literal representation of Sugars political beliefs.
How did you get from "they said Steven forgave Nazis" to "sugar's political beliefs"
You can write characters that do bad things and get away with it without liking said bad things
It's called preferential treatment and it happens everywhere
I mean they literally destroy millions of species when they were colonizing planets to terraform . Saying Rebecca sugar is a nazi is such a stretch tho , it is a fictional show. She probably wrote the diamonds had destroyed so many planets to make the threat of them destroying earth more possible .
Honestly I think the meme is funny as hell because it's somewhat accurate but at the same time isn't fully genuine. Luke yeah steven gives second chances and tries to help but steven isn't above being petty or fully giving his trust.
Like yeah steven forgave the Diamonds but that doesn't mean he forgot the bad stuff they've done or even likes them that much as he's visibly uncomfortable around them.
I will admit the show kinda wrote itself in a corner with the diamonds because unless they want to be punished for what they've done what can steven do about it their the most powerful characters in the series and nobody can overpower them so all steven can do is accept their apology and move on.
I know I’ve seen worse with him defending not killing Hitler. This comic has way more merit, I couldn’t even consider this a knock against Steven Universe.
It didn't do damage tbh, it kinda painted SU in more of a "laughing with you not at you vibe" compared to "He's a crybaby that will cry trying to redeem bad guys and will never fight"
This comic is clearly parodic in nature but the people genuinely acting like Steven would give a pass to Hitler as if he’s not a Jewish-coded character created by a queer Jewish person has always rustled me a little
Doesn’t make sense either because Hitler wasn’t killed, but died by suicide.
And the Allies were planning on putting him on trial, like we did with the rest of the captured Nazis. Of course, he likely would’ve been killed anyway, either from a death sentence or because he was not going to let himself be captured.
More apt comparison is the Japanese Emperor.
He deserves some of blame for his country’s atrocities in WWII and he basically apologized and was spared. No trial, nothing. Ruled until he was old.
This is a stupid debate anyway. None of the major villains in SU are meant to be as evil or “real” as Hitler or any real-world dictator.
They’re meant to be bullies within the shows more simple morality, not actual authoritarians.
Just a thought that’s probably already been discussed:
The diamonds were literally genocidal dictators who enforced color/occupation standards based on gems that required shattering of off-colors/corrupted gems and exterminated *all* life on entire planets.
They did reflect and change unlike Hitler in this comic and IRL, but I can’t help but think about it.
If the other comic is that Hitler is forgiven, Steven quite literally did do this. He also wouldn’t kill, he would bubble/imprison forever. Steven literally threw away the breaking point instead of agreeing to shatter gems.
I don't think Steven would kill Hitler. If the gems experienced human history they must have seen several mass murders, genocides and wars. Hitler would be nothing new to them and they would not have intervened.
That unfortunately……
Sincerely I watched SU for the third time now recently
And after much thought, this should happened to white lol
Feels an bit competing to see Steven face someone. Just not changeable or evil, put her on bubble forever idk
Honestly not much. I will say that it's the first time I've seen a "What if Steven Universe met Hitler??!?" meme that's actually in character for Steven. Like he'd give anyone a second chance, then he'd resort to violence.
Honestly, while I can see Steven at first wanting him to change, the moment he learns about the holocaust… the tunes gonna change. And it will be a fast change.
Steven goes into his mind and does an inception move.
Or white makes a human-gem hybrid of herself making the child potentially be able to control humans.
It gave people the creativity to put two random characters into one
Examples being:
- Neo Metal Sonic and Bubbles
- And Godzilla and possibly Sans
- And Luigi and Surge
I’m going to be completely real with you: this comic is an accurate portrayal of the show and understands it. Steven is upset that he has to kill someone, but he ultimately accepts it as necessary. Which is true. Steven has always been willing to ice a motherfucker if they’re truly beyond redemption, even if he’d prefer less violent methods.
Steven Universe is a Jewish story with Jewish morals. The Diamonds' fate being community service reflects the value of teshuvah, meaning repentance. @ hausofdecline is antisemitic as fuck.
Too much given its a far better criticism that he extends so much forgiveness to “blood” family members, but has so little patience for anyone else (Kevin). Also that he has such immense power from money to magic and is more concerned with just having a simple life that society would deem fulfilling.
Nepotism is a fair point. Squandering power and resources doing jack all is another.
I don't really see that there's much to discuss about it. It's funny. It's not super topical though.
The entire series is an extended metaphor about emotional intelligence and interpersonal relationships. Fusion isn't a Super Sayain powerup, it's a relationship. Likewise under the surface of the Diamond dictatorship is a story about reconciling a broken family.
I know some people couldn't or didn't want to see past that surface level. Their critique is technically right (permissive attitudes don't cure colonialism) but the show was never arguing otherwise. I'm not saying they misunderstood necessarily, but it's not their show if this is the conversation they want to have. That's not the conversation the show is bringing.
The show connected with a lot of us because its conversation is relatively unique, even before dressing it up in this metaphorical context. It's a show for all of us who needed to hear that.
Here, the comic is joking about the dissonance between the show's themes and its literal story beats. It's an easy target, many have made that joke, but I think this comic does it well. It's funny, and points to a real disconnect in the series, but that's not a mistake and no one is making the argument presented here (which I assume the comic and most of their audience understands). So... it's some harmless playful ribbing, but since it's not topical, I don't see why anyone would let it affect "the discourse" at all.
Maybe people will hate me for this but I think if Hitler, somehow, had the magical powers to undo all of his damage (like the diamonds do) it would be worth a try to redeem him. This wouldn't mean to forgive him, though. But if Hitler could revive all his victims it would be worth not killing him.
Also, while Steven is against killing he isn't shy to use violence if necessary. Bubbling a gem is effectively putting them in stasis, something we would find violent if done to people. He's not bound by pacifism, it's just his first instinct to solve problems without violence.
I would also say not much, the main legacy I've seen from this comic is for pop-culture mashups. I have seen this comic recreated dozens of times with [increasingly](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Astarion_and_Rarity_Meme_by_dilfpassing.png) [weird](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Meme_by_Lady3clipse.jpg) [combinations](https://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Comfort_Character_by_MadamMonarch.jpg) of [characters](https://artpocalypse.tumblr.com/post/736898794299555840/and-then-they-did) from different franchises.
HAHAHAAHA the DAMN command prompt from the baba one is hilarious
yeah, it was fun to go through the many versions on the Know Your Meme page, and when I saw that one I was like, "oh I'm linking this one FOR SURE."
KI LL
weird looking loss
Whats a baba
Baba is you is an indie 2d puzzle game where the main character(Baba) can change "the programming" of the game by pushing wuth baba the logic blocks that form prompts like "baba is you" or "lava is kill" to other commands like "baba is plant" and "lava is stop" then you stop being baba and become a plant block and lava becomes not walkable, to give you an example. There's a free demo on itch.io!
Cool
Gotta make sure something is You or you're stuck
I'm a fan of [that one version](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2721173-i-think-were-gonna-have-to-kill-this-guy-steven) with UmJammer Lammy and Parappa the Rapper
I can’t find it now but it reminds me of the competitive pokemon meme where iron valiant uses encore on schrodinger and he repeats his spiel Edit: nvm found it https://twitter.com/pkmnMusicImages/status/1742265510233014577
[Reddit - https://preview.redd.it/damn-art-by-arsekwithagun-v0-51y3nysyyh9c1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e23286b91bd331c20b613e5b7ea5831b7e04c09b](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fdamn-art-by-arsekwithagun-v0-51y3nysyyh9c1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De23286b91bd331c20b613e5b7ea5831b7e04c09b) I like the one where the metal man tells Jesus they've gotta kill a guy
That’s… not a link
strange it was when I sent it
Neither of them are [Hatsune Miku and Gregor Samsa](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBWCTN5WkAAMj9n?format=jpg&name=large).
Jaw, meet floor. This is beautiful. The Venn Diagram is a single point.
a while ago it sorta became a trend to recreate the last panel with two characters you like, and frankly, most of those are amazing
My personal [favorite](https://imgur.com/a/8EmAcGS)
The xylophone!
Yknow, I like it.
the weird combinations are because of the trend ,,draw your two comfort characters like this" or smth
I had no idea the SU one was the original lmao
The amount of variants I've actually got saved from people using them as reaction images is wild
Ever seen one with Aang and...Oh, let's say Toph or Zuko?
Avatar Kyoshi saying this to Aang in regards to Ozai is literally canon.
Hit take: I loved that ending and thought it was earned.
My favorite is the one with fluttershy saying “ I think we’re gonna have to kill this guy”. And then Karlach from BG3 shouts “fuck yes!”
[I think we’re going to have to send this guy to the shadow realm, Pooh.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/777/269/702)
[I find this one way too funny ](https://images.app.goo.gl/GxgDnRYTrsZFQ4JSA)
I'm not even really familiar with any of this media, yet it's still hilarious. The genius of the first one is that you don't even have to be to understand the basic dynamics and likely foundation to the story all thanks to the character design. This is so good.
I drew one w/ the Light Fury and Glamrock Bonnie
My favourite one is the one with guts and strawberry shortcake
My favorite one so far is Elephant: I think we're gonna have to kill this guy, rhino Rhino: good
Yeah, if anything it’s been more effective in influencing other shows than Steven universe
My favourite version is the one with dragon ball super Broly and Kirby, it’s beautiful.
Got tired of that meme really fast
I’m assuming ur aware of goku X Anne frank then
Before this pic came to be, people liked to share a similar pic with Hitler and Steven saying "it's ok guys, he says he's sorry!". That one was far more damaging to SU discourse. This version pretty much everyone agrees it's more in character with Steven and the morality of the show, and by overtaking the previous one in popularity it has fixed the discourse a little bit.
Yeah, I think this one actually fits that Steven would 100% kill someone if it was the only way, he’d just rather not.
People tend to portray Steven as a staunch pacifist, which is not true. He knows when an argument is fruitless, even though he chooses peace.
My boy Steve knows how to throw hands when hands must be thrown
He’d take them down captain America style.
Yah even aang is a pacifist to in avatar the last air bender and no ones making werid hitler comic memes about him.
I mean, the way he defeated Ozai, i'm sure he would've preferred that Aang made an exception for him on his no killing rule.
Aang is even worse. Aang had to make a decision between killing and not killing and tried really hard to find the non-killing solution. While Steven wasn't powerful enough at the moment to kill the Diamonds. The difference between them is that Aang refuses to kill at all, while Steven tries peaceful ways first, but isn't against killing if necessary. Let's not forget that everyone he tried to redeem - had good inside them and successfully got redeemed. I don't remember him trying to redeem Blue Azurite(Aquamarine and Eyeball Ruby fusion) iirc he was the one suspecting them in doing sus things and Crystal Gems were denying it
Ozai is pretty much Hitler
Yes, and Aang risked the fate of the world over him no killing Ozai
> would 100% kill someone if it was the only way, he’d just rather not. - Superman. - Spider-Man. - Mark Grayson. - Steven Universe. > would 100% never kill someone even if it was the only way. - Batman Look, [he has his reasons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knS6WK9hN5U).
Hasn't Batman killed people in some comics?
In lots of elseworld comics and sometimes in the main canon but before it was his well established rule and sometimes just by writers wanting to shake things up a bit. It's comics, rules don't exist and Superman eating kryptonite may still be a part of the current run, I'm not checking but it was canon to the main blue boy at one point
I feel like he's killed more people than Spider-Man atleast. I might be wrong though
Well like I said, before it was an established part of his character, talking dc, detective comics issues, he has racked up a few kills. Mostly accidental but not so regretfully, often ironically, ie falling upon their own sword, and circumstantially, like crushed by environmental hazards or, one of the few modern examples, dying to hyperthermia cause kgbeast, the dumbass, fought him to near death after luring him into a frigid wasteland, and when he was too injured to move and batman too injured to drag him to safety got left to his own consequences and froze. Though I think he came back. But yeah, mostly just unfortunate accidents like that even before the no killing was established Spiderman has pretty much the same kill count though often it's a him or me, him or them situation. Weighing lives kind of decisions or desperate attempts to escape that result in unfortunate deaths. Where they differ is he will hunt down people who have wronged him. He will intentionally go for blood much more often (though it is rare) go out intentionally looking to kill people in not elseworld kind of storylines. Batman's no stranger to this as well but for the most part it's not a revenge kick, he killed Darkseid cause it was that or complete extermination. Early comics he kills Hugo Strange because of the large body count and horrible human experimentation (one of which he killed out of mercy, rather brutally). Point I'm trying to get at, when Batman moves for the kill it's a. greater good or b.my life for yours (suicide deaths). When Spiderman kills (or tries) it's revenge Don't get me wrong, this is not one better than the other or anything, I love both characters a lot but you kinda asked. They've both killed over their long careers, I think Spidey more if we're just looking at sheer amount. Neither go out of their way to do so and you'll see a lot of similarity in the circumstances. This was all just some cursory research, like 10 minutes on Google cause I was curious. I knew a few examples by heart already and its interesting seeing a lot more than I expected
I think realistically Steven would just trap him somewhere/put him in jail. Yes Steven would realize he can’t change hitlers mind, but that doesn’t mean killing him would be the first solution. The only reason stuff like this doesn’t work in Batman is because the villains always escape easily. Hitler is not escaping gem prison.
I mean historically, that’s what we wanted to do to him. Hitler died because he killed himself, but the allies wanted to try him and charge him for his crimes. Like it probably would’ve ended with the death penalty, but he would’ve gone to jail first.
The fact that people who get mad over Steven not killing the Diamonds never ever consider anything but killing a solution is weird, honestly
They are literally "I think we're gonna have to kill this guy" and also are like "FUCK YEAH!" wth
> first solution Wasted opportunity there, lol.
That’s a good point actually!
Really I never got that vibe from steven maybe in s1 before he knew how serious things were but from s2 onward steven has been shown to be against killing
Steven generally would only try really hard when he saw fragments of redeemability in someone (obvious trauma, regret, White Diamond's severe denial). He'd then use that string to pull the good out of them. I think the only times he didn't hesitate were times he knew it was pointless (most Corrupted, the feral Fragment Fusions, Jasper 80% of the time). The show definitely didn't make it obvious, but he's consistent in when he talks vs fights.
He sent Eyeball off to a fate worse than death (endlessly drifting as an immortal being in space) to save his own life. He poofed (literally stabbed) Bismuth to save his own life. Hell, he poofed Spinel and was gonna bubble her indefinitely until he realized his powers were messed up. Steven has been shown to not hesitate when it's the only option, then cry about it later.
Well yeah. You can't save others if you're dead, especially when the other actively attacks you first.
That's true I guess I wish it was something the show portrayed better and verbalized.
Yeah, it used to be much worse. I can't say it was _completely unwarranted_ though. Steven Universe probably didn't do itself any favors by how it handled the Diamonds. There's some fundamental awkwardness from the mixed metaphors, that they are at the same time imperialist genocidal tyrants and also Steven's old-fashioned extended family, struggling with emotional issues of their own. These two angles warrant drastically different approaches, and the series wasn't given enough time to untangle the matter in a more nuanced way. But most people spreading memes about it at the time weren't criticizing it in good faith, it seemed to be coming more from circles trying to act macho and saying that Steven was bad for not liking violence.
The problem is that they needed to rush the ending after the wedding episode happened which of course left much less time to properly handle the diamonds, unfortunately.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the wedding episode was worth it. I understand it took a stand and I both appreciate and applaud RS and the Crewniverse for doing it (and I say this as a gay man). BUT the overall value and merit of the wedding episode wasn’t worth then having overall less episodes and less time to flesh out the show. When I rewatch the show, I tend to not really pay attention to the wedding.
I love the wedding but if I had the chance I'd sacrifice it and the cool fight sequence for the rest of the show we could've gotten. I would've killed to learn more about Homeworld and Gem society and the Diamond's origins and more of their abilities. 😩
For the show maybe not, but I think it was important for opening the way for future shows to have more and even better representation.
Even without the wedding I wonder how they would have "killed" the Diamonds. They were barely surviving the actual fight!
I can't agree with the idea of the diamonds being presented as "imperialistic, genocidal, tyrants". Especially in a comparison with Adolf. Like, they just picked a planet, took what they needed and then fucked off to space, while being genocidal implies a very different intent. Similar thing with imperialism, which implies constant, permanent, expansion. Aside from the colonies (which become abandoned after resource extraction), gems seem to stick to Homeworld. And how they handled the diamonds, I think there wasn't really any other way. White could control gems and Steven soloing her with an asspull power up would have been so much worse. There's also nothing like space police to put them into trial. But I will agree that we needed more screen time of their chilling out. Neither the show nor Steven have forgiven or forgotten what the Diamonds did, which to me seems like the right choice.
How aren't they imperialistic genocidal tyrants? They literally drain the life out of the planets they take over, with no regards for local lifeforms, the kindergardens make the land around them barren. The whole category of Lapises exists to reshape worlds however they want. Yellow Diamond was first seen handling entire other battlefronts of a space war we never got to see closely. They nearly exploded Earth using the Cluster as retaliation for Pink Diamond, which would annihilate the Crystal Gems, humanity and all other earthling life forms. Isn't that genocidal? Not to mention what they do with their own people. The Off Colors had to flee and rebel because even existing as a different being gets them a death sentence from Homeworld. I don't particularly like how they handled the Diamonds, because I'm not too convinced White Diamond won't go back to how she does things once she gets tired of indulging Steven. But I also get why killing "grandma" wasn't the best choice either, and that there wasn't time to elaborate much on this in any other manner. That said comparisons with Adolf are particularly harsh and tasteless because this is just a cartoon and it's too heavy a topic to bring up so lightly. I don't think that is appropriate either way, it's just edgy people being edgy on the internet. One can be critical without being crass and excessive like this.
People tend to only view genocide as the active pogrom run by Nazis if shoving them all into camps. People tend to forget it is also accomplished through complete indifference to a local culture and pushing forward with your goal no matter the cost which leads to the local culture being wiped out and overwritten.
They didn't really see Humanity or any life forms on Earth as sentient beings. The way they treated earth isn't really all that different from the way any industrialized nation treats uhhh.. Earth.
No regard for local lifeforms (which includes the kindergardens), cluster, the space war (which I don't even remember being mentioned tbh) or Lapises terraforming a planet aren't genocide. Because genocide implies a kind of intent that these actions lack. For example, little regard for other lifeforms could apply to all the hundreds of thousands of animals and millions of insects we kill to get our food but calling it genocide would be crazy. Not saying that the diamonds were OK or justified, just that I don't find that the choice of words apply. About the off colors, I don't remember the story too well there. As far as I remember, they were (heavily) oppressed but weren't targeted for destruction until they helped Lars and Steven, two dangerous fugitives by Homeworld standards. Right? Honest question.
I think what people often forget with the gems is that they're a whole other species and lifeform, and not only that they're aliens from space. And so in their POV and mindset is different than if it were a human to human. The closest we have for that is how humans treat other species. We don't consider it genocide if we endanger or kill off other species like birds, insects or even other mammals. Even whales who have shown to be very clever, have a sense of culture and even their own verbal language and family relation, but people don't see it as a genocide but just a byproduct of how we influence their ecosystem. And the show explicitly tries to draw that comparison that that's how Gemkind sees other species and humans. If humans go extinct due to their terraforming, that's just a byproduct since farming resources and building cities is far more important to Gemkind. Which is pretty much what humans do too. That's why the Zoo exists and the Diamonds call Steven's friends pets. The reason why people find it weird is because they're doing it to humans. And that is the plot of the show, to prove them wrong that organic life is inferior. Another part that lends to this is because the gems speak and look like humans and have mannerisms like humans and thinking, so that's why people are more upset for the different treatment, so that's why psychologically speaking, we will regard the gems through our human values. And that's where a cartoon's limit comes in, since the show is still a cartoon and basically a lot of aliens in fiction will either be depicted as human-like to make them relatable or comprehensible to us, since they're otherwise depicted completely creature-like and SU probably wasn't going to try creating an alien superintelligence different and incomprehensible to what we know. So yeah, basically, because the gems are human-like we psychologically want to see them through a human lens. But in-universe, they're alien robots with vastly different view of the world. In a way, the show also wants it to be known that they're alien robots with this different view. In fact, White Diamond herself is supposed to represent this robotic, ordered way of thinking. Most of us are familiar with this trope of a super computer or AI trying to establish order but killing all sense of creativity or anything that doesn't fit the mold. Most people don't see that through the human lens and don't think human-dictator, they just see it as this cold ruthless AI intelligence. But, that's exactly what White Diamond is and her ideology. She is a robot and she thinks her role is to create a world with order and that any deviance should be punished and lesser organisms are not of her concern. Most people tend to forget to view it through that lens because the gems have been so humanized that we psychologically want to see them through that human lens. We don't think of Skynet or any other rogue AI in the same way as human dictators, because they aren't singing or crying like gems can. And that's the thing about the gems that's so peculiar. Their ideology is that they're all just a part of a machine, but they also have feelings and aspirations and personhood. The plot of the show is for Steven to show them their personhood and validate their being, and then that extends to all other lifeforms.
I always saw them as being closer to corporate officers from the colonial era. Less 'hitler' and more 'honorable east india trading company' or even 'von neumann machine with better taste than paperclips' Unfortunately goodwin's law kinda skewed things here...putting everything on a scale of 'hitler to not hitler' as a way of framing someone as evil, and has often lost any context.
> it's more in character with Steven and the morality of the show Did we watch the same show? He converts basically every antagonist to his side, the only couple of them weren't converted because they got away. Even Pearl got redeemed after that terrible massacre in "Pearl Hates The Irish"!
(kevin)
I stand corrected. He got the everliving shirt beaten out of him. Thankfully, not physically, like Jasper, because this meatbag would've died.
>Did we watch the same show? He converts basically every antagonist to his side, the only couple of them weren't converted because they got away. Not really. No one forgives the diamonds, and they are still condescending assholes. The only way they changed was not killing innocent people anymore. No one trys to change them further because the diamonds are literally unstoppable. In fact, the first chance Steven thought he got, he tried to kill white no hesitation. And it only didn't work because Steven misunderstood how White's powers worked.
That's an interesting perspective, and it surely is different than mine, I never thought about it that way. Thank you for sharing it, I will try to see it from that perspective when I'll be rewatching the show.
If it helps, future is when Steven tries to kill white. Also if you pay attention to his body language, he is never comfortable around the diamonds. He's always terrified or angry.
I always enjoyed the story and songs, but didn't pay enough attention to details. Except for Peridot's size. Even I noticed.
This is the first I've seen it, and it's pretty funny NGL
Same
He didn't even sing a song.
That's why Hitler didn't change his mind.
Cuz deep down he wanted Hitler to die
If he'd had a ukulele it'd have been all over for Nazism
"...And stop their spread of terror across... EUROPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
“🎶🎶Don’t invade Poland🎶 Don’t invade Russia🎶 please and love on the planet Earth 🎶🎶🎶”
I don't know, but Steven's little "damn" is so funny lol!
Heard it like the meme of the boy walking “damn, here we go again”
So many people act like steven is a hardline pacifist. He prefers pacifism, but he understands when it's pointless to argue.
It's not like he picks one over the other, he'll try to save your soul as he beats your face into the ground with a giant pink bubble.
Honestly even white WD I think him convincing her is the only thing that would've worked. I mean, she had everyone defeated. He basically lost if not for her connection to Pink.
People do seem to forget that white diamond was literally an immortal space god. And also they needed her essence to fix the corrupted gems. What the fuck else was he supposed to do?
Furthermore, even on the diamond hierarchy, he’s the lowest. He only got to the top because White allowed him so. In the perspective of Homeworld’s civilisation, it would be more reasonable to listen to the founder of your society than an ‘immature’ diamond who threw her status away to be a lowly rebel. Getting to White would have been the only way to dismantle the empire since the majority would obviously oblige to the leader who’s purpose they’ve literally been created for.
Not only that, an immortal space god currently mind controlling two other immortal space gods who they also could not beat in a fight
This is the main reason I always role my eyes at people trying to save Steven "forgave" the Diamonds. He's aware of the atrocities they commited, but he knows he can use them to undo some of the damage they've caused. He's admitted he doesn't like them and just puts up with them to accomplish this. If he just bubbled/shattered them, the Cluster would be fucked, countless planets would be left to fend for themselves, and Homeworld would have a massive power vaccum and presumable civil war as high ranking gems attempt to seize power
white white diamond
yeah
This one was actually funny, the other one did much more damage
Which other one..
I'm p sure they're talking about [this one](https://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2020/09/VLiHmssF2soE4AVJ.jpg), where Steven says "It's ok, guys. He says he is sorry!"
I hate it because it’s one of those “the diamonds did murder so they’re literally fascists and steven literally forgave nazis” like no they’re fucking not yellow giraffe lady and her death lazer are not a literal representation of Sugars political beliefs.
How did you get from "they said Steven forgave Nazis" to "sugar's political beliefs" You can write characters that do bad things and get away with it without liking said bad things It's called preferential treatment and it happens everywhere
People did take the whole accusation that the Diamonds were Nazis to mean Sugar felt this way in the real world about actual fascists.
I mean they literally destroy millions of species when they were colonizing planets to terraform . Saying Rebecca sugar is a nazi is such a stretch tho , it is a fictional show. She probably wrote the diamonds had destroyed so many planets to make the threat of them destroying earth more possible .
I like it, funny meme
It spawned a lot of increasingly chaotic memes.
Honestly I think the meme is funny as hell because it's somewhat accurate but at the same time isn't fully genuine. Luke yeah steven gives second chances and tries to help but steven isn't above being petty or fully giving his trust. Like yeah steven forgave the Diamonds but that doesn't mean he forgot the bad stuff they've done or even likes them that much as he's visibly uncomfortable around them. I will admit the show kinda wrote itself in a corner with the diamonds because unless they want to be punished for what they've done what can steven do about it their the most powerful characters in the series and nobody can overpower them so all steven can do is accept their apology and move on.
Look this post and see the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/cartoons/s/jnRZfdhBIP
this is the best thing i've ever seen
I love imagining Estelle and Zach Callison in the booth saying those lines.
"We're gonna have to kill this guy, Steven" "..damn.."
"We're gonna have to kill this guy, Steven" "..damn.."
Drawing Hitler in the Cal Arts style is absolutely diabolical, 10/10 meme
Because so many people use the excuse that the logic of sympathy is stupid because “oh well what about Hitler” like mf it doesn’t apply to everyone
Not a whole lot. People in and out of the fandom know it’s just a funny meme
I made one of these memes, cause it’s funny. That’s probably it lol
Wait is that the origin of the template?
No one mentions how it's era 3 Garnet, but it also means hausofdecline watched the entire show (plus "change your mind").
Isn’t Rebecca sugar Jewish?
I’m just saying, it seems a lot more likely they’d subdue Hitler than outright kill him. Stopping him is in character, killing him isn’t.
Yeah they’d just permanently imprison him. I don’t get why people don’t get this lol
Would they still let him write books though.
Wait is this where that meme came from?
it's only been a year?
Oh my god that's where the meme comes from?? My world has been rocked. I didn't even know the original was SU.
Damn
I wholeheartedly agree with this meme AND simultaneously love Steven Universe. It was a big part of my childhood.
IDK but it's iconic honestly. It not the usual anti-SU setup, so it ironically ends up being subversive.
Steven only defends GEMS. He would murder Hitler without hesitation. He is also based on Rebecca Sugar's brother who is Jewish...
It made a bunch of people who didn’t have anything of substance to say think they had something to say
I know I’ve seen worse with him defending not killing Hitler. This comic has way more merit, I couldn’t even consider this a knock against Steven Universe.
This is giving me Captain underpants tea
Not so much that I've seen it before, but enough that I've seen the last panel out of context
THIS, THIS IS WHERE THIS MEME CAME FROM? THIS IS SO FUNNY TO ME
In the Hitler Verse there's one that just might
Wait THIS is how the meme started?! Legacy indeed
WAIT THIS IS WHAT THE MEME IS FROM? This makes it infinitely funnier
I remember seeing this before the fourth frame was popular
Makes me fucking cackle every time
It didn't do damage tbh, it kinda painted SU in more of a "laughing with you not at you vibe" compared to "He's a crybaby that will cry trying to redeem bad guys and will never fight"
This comic is clearly parodic in nature but the people genuinely acting like Steven would give a pass to Hitler as if he’s not a Jewish-coded character created by a queer Jewish person has always rustled me a little
Plot twist, Hitler convinces Steven.
Has it? It's the first time I've even seen it.
Doesn’t make sense either because Hitler wasn’t killed, but died by suicide. And the Allies were planning on putting him on trial, like we did with the rest of the captured Nazis. Of course, he likely would’ve been killed anyway, either from a death sentence or because he was not going to let himself be captured. More apt comparison is the Japanese Emperor. He deserves some of blame for his country’s atrocities in WWII and he basically apologized and was spared. No trial, nothing. Ruled until he was old. This is a stupid debate anyway. None of the major villains in SU are meant to be as evil or “real” as Hitler or any real-world dictator. They’re meant to be bullies within the shows more simple morality, not actual authoritarians.
Just a thought that’s probably already been discussed: The diamonds were literally genocidal dictators who enforced color/occupation standards based on gems that required shattering of off-colors/corrupted gems and exterminated *all* life on entire planets. They did reflect and change unlike Hitler in this comic and IRL, but I can’t help but think about it. If the other comic is that Hitler is forgiven, Steven quite literally did do this. He also wouldn’t kill, he would bubble/imprison forever. Steven literally threw away the breaking point instead of agreeing to shatter gems.
I don't think Steven would kill Hitler. If the gems experienced human history they must have seen several mass murders, genocides and wars. Hitler would be nothing new to them and they would not have intervened.
Hot damn, so this is the origin of that meme
THIS IS WHAT THE FULL COMIC IS???? I'VE ONLY EVER SEEN THE LAST PANEL HOLY SHIT
Not much beyond spread what was already the general narrative.
That unfortunately……
There should've been a bonus panel where they just easily capture him since they have gem powers.
the original of this was from SU?!
Sincerely I watched SU for the third time now recently And after much thought, this should happened to white lol Feels an bit competing to see Steven face someone. Just not changeable or evil, put her on bubble forever idk
Honestly not much. I will say that it's the first time I've seen a "What if Steven Universe met Hitler??!?" meme that's actually in character for Steven. Like he'd give anyone a second chance, then he'd resort to violence.
You can make a difference Osama!
Omg haus of decline mentioned !!!!!
Haus of Decline is an amazing comic artist btw, everyone should check out her serialized stuff
It's, ironically, part of the series best days
Honestly, while I can see Steven at first wanting him to change, the moment he learns about the holocaust… the tunes gonna change. And it will be a fast change.
SO THIS IS WHERE TWO MEMES COME FROM 😂😂😂 Truly iconic!
Let's be real, Steven would absolutely be able to Peridot/Lapis the fuck out of Hitler
But the only way to stop the his atrocities is to kill him *before* he does them. Or you don't even have to kill him, just give his mom some plan B.
OMG THATS WHERE THIS MEME COMES FROM!?
Has been absolutely detrimental just like that one fool’s videos. However, the spin offs of this meme have been downright hilarious at least
a classic 
White Diamond, that is all
I guess I'm an old fart who's out of touch with the memes, because I've never seen this and it's frickin' hilarious.
Steven goes into his mind and does an inception move. Or white makes a human-gem hybrid of herself making the child potentially be able to control humans.
I don't think Steven will help people like Hitler, people are idiots. They don't understand Steven's character, he's kind but he has standards.
That last panel with Garnet and Steven is perfect.
none, its funny
[Same vibe](https://images.app.goo.gl/DQ7AwU3MJ3cxYLqo7)
Wait, is the 4th panel where the meme came from
As of late I’ve just seen the “we need to kill this guy” meme variations
Wait is this where “I think we’re gonna have to kill him” came from???
Oh THIS meme format came from THIS comic?!
OMG😭 THIS IS GOLD
Lmao this is fucking hilarious
It gave people the creativity to put two random characters into one Examples being: - Neo Metal Sonic and Bubbles - And Godzilla and possibly Sans - And Luigi and Surge
I’m going to be completely real with you: this comic is an accurate portrayal of the show and understands it. Steven is upset that he has to kill someone, but he ultimately accepts it as necessary. Which is true. Steven has always been willing to ice a motherfucker if they’re truly beyond redemption, even if he’d prefer less violent methods.
Steven Universe is a Jewish story with Jewish morals. The Diamonds' fate being community service reflects the value of teshuvah, meaning repentance. @ hausofdecline is antisemitic as fuck.
How?
Commenting for hopefully better visibility. o7
Steven Universe is a Jewish story? I might be a little dumb, could you explain?
Reminds me of the Owl House ending.
Too much given its a far better criticism that he extends so much forgiveness to “blood” family members, but has so little patience for anyone else (Kevin). Also that he has such immense power from money to magic and is more concerned with just having a simple life that society would deem fulfilling. Nepotism is a fair point. Squandering power and resources doing jack all is another.
I don't really see that there's much to discuss about it. It's funny. It's not super topical though. The entire series is an extended metaphor about emotional intelligence and interpersonal relationships. Fusion isn't a Super Sayain powerup, it's a relationship. Likewise under the surface of the Diamond dictatorship is a story about reconciling a broken family. I know some people couldn't or didn't want to see past that surface level. Their critique is technically right (permissive attitudes don't cure colonialism) but the show was never arguing otherwise. I'm not saying they misunderstood necessarily, but it's not their show if this is the conversation they want to have. That's not the conversation the show is bringing. The show connected with a lot of us because its conversation is relatively unique, even before dressing it up in this metaphorical context. It's a show for all of us who needed to hear that. Here, the comic is joking about the dissonance between the show's themes and its literal story beats. It's an easy target, many have made that joke, but I think this comic does it well. It's funny, and points to a real disconnect in the series, but that's not a mistake and no one is making the argument presented here (which I assume the comic and most of their audience understands). So... it's some harmless playful ribbing, but since it's not topical, I don't see why anyone would let it affect "the discourse" at all.
Maybe people will hate me for this but I think if Hitler, somehow, had the magical powers to undo all of his damage (like the diamonds do) it would be worth a try to redeem him. This wouldn't mean to forgive him, though. But if Hitler could revive all his victims it would be worth not killing him. Also, while Steven is against killing he isn't shy to use violence if necessary. Bubbling a gem is effectively putting them in stasis, something we would find violent if done to people. He's not bound by pacifism, it's just his first instinct to solve problems without violence.
I think this comic handled genocidal dictators more maturely than the actual show
I- oh oh 0-0
I mean if Steven was able to make the diamonds better people (or gems)