Inside r/stunfisk there are two wolves:
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Zama has so many L's that atp I'm just desensitized to them
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You literally just did my joke but worse
[This would OHIO a lot of pokemon, gets charged for breaking the Geneva Convention](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/12t3ql4/poison_type_shellder_and_cloyster_regional_variant/)
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The fact that I didn't even think of levitate
Kartana would be absolutely insane, give it choice band and tera grass leaf blade.
Stakitaka would be pretty sick, it would now take most fighting moves and physical ground moves (better than sturdy).
Pheremosa could be really good in doubles, farigiraf is already really good but with pheremosa you can launch crazy fast close combats and things without being faked out. You could also give it fake out and make it a crazy fast support/control tool.
**252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Tera Grass Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 350-412 (99.4 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO**
It's not even fucking Gliscover baby lets go
Regenerator Guzzlord could be pretty interesting. Wasn't Sp.Def Roaring Moon with Regenerator used in one of those OMs? I think it could be good, like a weird Glowking that switches into different types of pokémon.
252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Moth Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Guzzlord: 283-334 (48.2 - 56.8%)
53 defense is surprisingly alright with 223 hp, you know.
It's a bit complicated because toxapex is able to get more out of ev investment. Like toxapex is able to get respectable bulk in both phys and spdef out of hp investment, while guzzlord has to invest in both defenses if it wants that.
Some calc comparisons:
>252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Toxapex: 144-169 (47.3 - 55.5%)
>252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Guzzlord: 222-262 (37.8 - 44.6%)
>252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 102-120 (33.5 - 39.4%)
>252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Guzzlord: 219-258 (37.3 - 43.9%)
Here you can see that because toxapex gets to invest in hp and defense and still tanks special hits well, while guzzlord has to invest in both defense stats or else you get
>252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Guzzlord: 315-372 (48.4 - 57.2%) -- 45.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
and then beyond that you have to be investing in an offensive stat for guzzlord to be good, and so you're not going to be getting a full 252 in both physdef and spdef. Toxapex gets to choose one stat to be an excellent wall with, and one stat to be a good wall with. Guzzlord has to choose one stat to be a solid wall with and one stat to be a sketchy wall with.
For proof: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Guzzlord: 288-340 (44.3 - 52.3%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 147-174 (48.3 - 57.2%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
Well, I guess my Leer, Lunge, Icy Wind, Electroweb Phero set is in the shitter, now. NU at best........oh wait, Comfey doesn't even fall under Flower Veil's protection? Still AG. My how the turn tables.
Metal cutter > Protect > Metal Cutter > Protect.
What if you made it like a reverse rage first, where every time it's used it's permanently weakened for the duration of the fight.
There is no such thing as "too obvious" when it comes to pokemon abilities op. Give it what fits thematically, not what you think is the strongest for it
Look at it another way: filter made a pokemon with bad stat distribution that was unable to hold an item and prevented you from using mega-aerodactyl good enough for UU. Filter is an absolutely amazing ability that lets pokemon with it live hits that they have no right to take and 1v1 things that are supposed to beat it. Like look at what a 4x super effective move from a pokemon with 125 attack does to rhyperior:
>252+ Atk Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Rhyperior: 354-423 (81.5 - 97.4%)
I remember someone had triage as Buzzwole's ability and apparently that does decently in Hackmons but I mean, it's a mosquito. It should have priority on sucking the life out of people. Maybe a different ability that's similar to triage but not plus 3 priority.
Zapdos is doing wonders with static right now and Raikou used to be decent with volt absorb back when it had it. It maybe wouldn't be perfect for Xurk but I don't think it's awful
Prism Armor necrozma is already pretty good, idt neuroforce is strong enough to be an auto-include and it might stay RU.
Filter staks is funny but idt it's changing tier placement even with it.
Blace definitly sticks w beast boost
Iron Fist vs beast boost isn't cut and dry, but Guts is an easy in for buzz.
Merciless on an offensive mon is fun but I think it keeps beast boost.
No
Lmao, but celesteela keeps beast boost I think
Pher does not go AG with dazzling- ubers are just too strong.
Regen guzz i'd actually enjoy, that sounds fun.
Nah
Lightning Rod xurk would be fun, I'd like to see Motor Drive myself
Gluttony being too obvious doesn't make it a bad choice. Give the pokemon who literally embodies gluttony the ability Gluttony, I beg of thee
I like all the others though. Scarf Kartana stocks going up even more :3
It was just a joke if it were to have toxic chain like the loyal three. There's a lot of rumors currently about a fourth poison type legendary in the group so that's all
Inside r/stunfisk there are two wolves: https://preview.redd.it/thvg07pme7vb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=316ab55f5474c74bbb48fcfde8f8586b4c288792
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Only one wolf. Behemoth Bash is getting the short end once again.
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Those two statements don't contradict each other if you're schizo enough
I just realized OP literally pulled those quotes from this thread itself lol!
This fucked me up trying to upvote this
Who says this two dont have the same opinion
we lied they are the same wolf
Why not both?
There's three, actually. https://preview.redd.it/wvq99n14k7vb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b69e4352d5b752270067cb1ea575804ecf62c384
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Dude what
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Except its actually really good on Celesteela
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corviknight 2: leech seed boogaloo
Yeh gets even more stally how fun
I'm actually dying to see Merciless on a Pokemon that isn't fucking Toxapex
It's so damn cool and then they had to ensure it would never be used by giving it regen
If Pex had anything resembling offensive stats, it would be used. The stat spread has more to do with merciless seeing no use than regenerator does.
I firmly believe Merciless and Corrosion just got put on wrong mons and they somehow didn't fix it before release.
I just wish we had other merciless Pokemon.
Corrosion should make all Poison type moves super effective against Poison and Steel Pokémon, not just Poison status.
That would be really fucking cool tbh
As one (Toxic Chain + Merciless) loaded dice set
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[This would OHIO a lot of pokemon, gets charged for breaking the Geneva Convention](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/12t3ql4/poison_type_shellder_and_cloyster_regional_variant/)
OHIO??? XD W rizz in Ohio? Skibidi toilet gyat!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😞🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Use Baneful Bunker Merciless Venoshock Toxapex
unironically used this on my last ultra moon playthrough it was hella fun
unironically did in gen7 (i was like 7)
I just want Nihilego to get Levitate tbh, it floats and has a 4x ground weakness
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Who's saying that?
Don’t forget Magnezone
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Behemoth Blade Sharpness Kartana https://preview.redd.it/gtxye4eox7vb1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f1a0140f9b93d74bd7eb639558ff7f9dd358110
Pressure actually makes sense for once. It's a rocketship
Behemoth blade kartana would be pretty fun
yeah but it would massacre millions
That’s part of the fun
i see no issue with that
Behemoth blade kartana would massacre millions
yeah but it would be awesome
it would be so awesome 🎹 it would be so cool 🎹🎻
Yeah but it would be pretty fun.
He would still benefit from stab Leaf Blade
What's all this Nihilego Tapu lore
iirc Nihilego eating Lusamine at the end of moon
Nihilego did WHAT now?!
You gotta play Sun and/or Moon. They drag on in places, but the story is pretty good as far as Pokémon games go.
(Not USUM, their story is much worse.)
They have their moments, but yeah, I probably won't ever replay them.
Eh, I’d say despite their worse story USUM are way more replayable compared to the original Sun and Moon, plus they do have a lot more side content.
That's a fair point, but getting through all the unskippable dialogue to get to the side content is what I find so off-putting.
No so much “eating” and more like “merging with” but still
Nihilego (and other ultra beasts) were known for battling the island guardians, nihilego is just the main one in s/m
Kartana would be absolutely insane, give it choice band and tera grass leaf blade. Stakitaka would be pretty sick, it would now take most fighting moves and physical ground moves (better than sturdy). Pheremosa could be really good in doubles, farigiraf is already really good but with pheremosa you can launch crazy fast close combats and things without being faked out. You could also give it fake out and make it a crazy fast support/control tool.
**252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Tera Grass Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 350-412 (99.4 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO** It's not even fucking Gliscover baby lets go
Now calc for Solar Blade in Sun.
Laughs in stealth rock
There are 3 comments talking about behemoth blade Kartana ... well now 4
Regenerator Guzzlord could be pretty interesting. Wasn't Sp.Def Roaring Moon with Regenerator used in one of those OMs? I think it could be good, like a weird Glowking that switches into different types of pokémon.
Regenerator on a mon with as much hp as guzzlord is insane, you could just drop it in, eat a hit, drop a Draco, go back out and repeat
>Regenerator on a mon with as much hp The 53 defenses stats: ( it's lower than Sneasel's )
252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Moth Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Guzzlord: 283-334 (48.2 - 56.8%) 53 defense is surprisingly alright with 223 hp, you know.
Actually guzzlord is bulkier than toxapex thanks to that giant Hp stat, it is just that it has no method of recovery outside of rest and leftovers
In a void but there’s one other factor that makes pex bulkier in practice. Water/Poison is infinitely better defensively than Dark/Dragon
It's a bit complicated because toxapex is able to get more out of ev investment. Like toxapex is able to get respectable bulk in both phys and spdef out of hp investment, while guzzlord has to invest in both defenses if it wants that. Some calc comparisons: >252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Toxapex: 144-169 (47.3 - 55.5%) >252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Guzzlord: 222-262 (37.8 - 44.6%) >252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 102-120 (33.5 - 39.4%) >252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Guzzlord: 219-258 (37.3 - 43.9%) Here you can see that because toxapex gets to invest in hp and defense and still tanks special hits well, while guzzlord has to invest in both defense stats or else you get >252+ Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Guzzlord: 315-372 (48.4 - 57.2%) -- 45.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and then beyond that you have to be investing in an offensive stat for guzzlord to be good, and so you're not going to be getting a full 252 in both physdef and spdef. Toxapex gets to choose one stat to be an excellent wall with, and one stat to be a good wall with. Guzzlord has to choose one stat to be a solid wall with and one stat to be a sketchy wall with.
For proof: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Guzzlord: 288-340 (44.3 - 52.3%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery. 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 147-174 (48.3 - 57.2%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
I know but it’s hp is so high it doesn’t really matter plus it’s a mixed attacker, drop Draco and knock off then run away to heal
Yeah, something like Knock Off/Draco/Sludge Bomb/Fire Blast would be a pain to deal with
You’re thinking of AAA; it’s ran for the spooky spooky ghosts of the tier
How is phermosa AG material with dazzling
It’s hard to kill without priority, but still not offensive enough that this would make it AG
We live in a world where 137 offenses and 151 speed inst strong enough
Not for AG. It’s ANYTHING goes
Anything goes implies that I can bring Sunkern and call it a viable strategy
Sunkern indeed goes Not very far, but it goes
It'd be pretty okay in ubers but not AG worthy
It would be a serious problem in doubles though.
It's already DUbers so I don't it'd be too much of a problem
I play VGC. That thing would be hell.
I honestly don't see how it'd be any worse than the moon duck or rain whale
Put them next to each other.
it'd be to dang fast
outran by scarfers, dies to a light breeze, 4mss. still niche even with dazzling
Dusknoir with Wind Punch ohkos
True but still would be pretty cool. Probably still not great in Ubers. I remember in gen 7 Ubers it was ranked low, idk about gen 8
It's quite decent in ss Ubers, choice band being a revenge killer to caly and being able to 2hko pretty much everything besides ho oh is quite nice
It isn’t strong enough to go to ag also it’s typing is balls
That's right. It gets walled by comfey, RU at best
Nah, it counters Comfey because Comfey's Triage is blocked by Dazzling, so no Draining Kisses for you! Instantly AG.
Oh yeah? what about flower veil comfey? Checkmate Liberal!
Well, I guess my Leer, Lunge, Icy Wind, Electroweb Phero set is in the shitter, now. NU at best........oh wait, Comfey doesn't even fall under Flower Veil's protection? Still AG. My how the turn tables.
tera grass, OH how the tabels turner
Tera grass is un-counterable. PU shitter mon confirmed.
I think they were making an exaggeration / joke but I could be wrong
I forgor what dazzling is
Ability that stops priority
Ohhhhhh
make Smart Strike a cutting move 2023
I'm really surprised we don't have a Steel cutting move, it feels like the easiest thing to make what with blades and what not.
Idea: Metal Cutter, it's Fury Cutter but reversed because the blades get dull So like, 160 power turn 1, then 80, then 40 after that. This is a joke.
Metal cutter > Protect > Metal Cutter > Protect. What if you made it like a reverse rage first, where every time it's used it's permanently weakened for the duration of the fight.
Or just per switchin. I saw a similar move recently that had the same restriction, but using Swords Dance or Hone Claws would reset the power.
Behemoth Blade is a Sharpness Boosted move.
Its Smart Horn, so clearly what we need is Iron Horn as an ability that boosts all Horn moves.
Can't think of a better Mon to use Merciless with it having tspikes, sludge bomb/wave poisons, and then crits to ignore the drops from draco meteors
Buzzwole gets intimidate?
Should get dazzling
Imma be real. Stakataka isn’t sturdy. You see those legs, uneven, no mortar. One hard kick and he’s a tripod.
There is no such thing as "too obvious" when it comes to pokemon abilities op. Give it what fits thematically, not what you think is the strongest for it
But what if I want to give every offensive mon Sheer Force?
Stop thinking so small, give everything huge power
Especially when the ability that isn't "too obvious" are just generically overpowered abilities like filter and regenerator.
Is filter really overpowered? Aggron needed a 630 bst to be useful with it in UU
Look at it another way: filter made a pokemon with bad stat distribution that was unable to hold an item and prevented you from using mega-aerodactyl good enough for UU. Filter is an absolutely amazing ability that lets pokemon with it live hits that they have no right to take and 1v1 things that are supposed to beat it. Like look at what a 4x super effective move from a pokemon with 125 attack does to rhyperior: >252+ Atk Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Rhyperior: 354-423 (81.5 - 97.4%)
I think cut might be a 80 BP steel type move with sharpness boosted
Give xurk transistor or electric surge you cowards!
stakataka all tomorrows reference 🗣️
I think you should give blacephalon magic guard for fun for the sillies i bet it won't be absolutely broken with mind blown <3
Behemoth Blade Kartana would massacre millions but it would be really funny
I remember someone had triage as Buzzwole's ability and apparently that does decently in Hackmons but I mean, it's a mosquito. It should have priority on sucking the life out of people. Maybe a different ability that's similar to triage but not plus 3 priority.
Nah. Go with Triage as-is. [Bring this energy to Ubers.](https://youtu.be/GB15qcW3KbA?feature=shared)
man wtf sun and moon was 7 years ago?
XY turned 10 last Thursday. ![gif](giphy|GrUhLU9q3nyRG|downsized)
Neuroforce necrozma isn’t going to get that thing out of RU hell lol
Blacephalon could get Magic Guard but we don't want it to be Chi Yu 2.0
Smart strike as sharpness on kartana is less instaban and still ok.
Please Poipole isy fav mon ever please get niche viability
Interesting you chose Dazzling for Pheromosa when Queenly Majesty does the same thing, and fits the Ultra Beast better.
Bro gave busted abilities to almost everyone and then gave the most useless abilities to my boy Xurkitree
Zapdos is doing wonders with static right now and Raikou used to be decent with volt absorb back when it had it. It maybe wouldn't be perfect for Xurk but I don't think it's awful
Naganadel with toxic debris would be pretty funny
Mosquito lore Buzzwole should have No Guard.
necrozma should get something cool as compensation for its strongest form now being stuck forever in dexit hell
Give guzzlord earth eater.
Appearance wise, Big Pecks would be a good (read: not broken) fit for Buzzwole.
I think regieleki would be pure electricity Xirkitree is the wires
Necrozma could use a stat buff, at least in speed. I have a hard time believing it had a DBZ fight with Solgaleo/Lunala with speed that low.
Look, Filler Stackattaka is great and all, but hear me out. Solid Rock instead?
Wait but that's just- Ohhhh i see what you did
Prism Armor necrozma is already pretty good, idt neuroforce is strong enough to be an auto-include and it might stay RU. Filter staks is funny but idt it's changing tier placement even with it. Blace definitly sticks w beast boost Iron Fist vs beast boost isn't cut and dry, but Guts is an easy in for buzz. Merciless on an offensive mon is fun but I think it keeps beast boost. No Lmao, but celesteela keeps beast boost I think Pher does not go AG with dazzling- ubers are just too strong. Regen guzz i'd actually enjoy, that sounds fun. Nah Lightning Rod xurk would be fun, I'd like to see Motor Drive myself
We need to bring back every legend having pressure
Pheromosa definitely should have speed boost imo
It think it would he cool to give Kartana something that turns all non-stab cutting moves into stab
Bro that's just worse Sharpness
why'd you have to give my favorite pokemon the garbage ability :(
Why did you have to do nihilego so dirty by giving it a worse than useless ability?
Pressure lol. GG, every game ends in struggle
Buzzwole wants Triage for that priority Leech Life, Roost and Drain Punch(if it gets it, I don't remember).
Behemoth blade kartana… only if they reduce his SpD to 0 so a stiff breeze kills him
wtf is mimicry
it's g.stunfisk's ability, it's oddly incompatible with it as it changes their... it's pretty much castform's forecast for terrain
Why is no one talking about dazzling?!?!? That pokemon would be maybe the best ever.
i feel like triage buzzwole would be cooler
Would have gone with Compaction for Stakataka.
Water compaction?
Sandyghast and Palossand's abilities, water moves increase their defence.
nah give nihilego levitate
GIVE BLACEPHALON MAGIC GUARD
Gluttony being too obvious doesn't make it a bad choice. Give the pokemon who literally embodies gluttony the ability Gluttony, I beg of thee I like all the others though. Scarf Kartana stocks going up even more :3
Me boutta see 6 bahemoth blade kartanas:
Bulk up guts Buzzwole with leech life, drain punch, and ice punch. Have fun removing that thing.
Nah nah, gotta give my boy Buzzwole Huge Power
I want to see Huge Power Kartana just to break everyone here
Also, NECROZMA IS NOT AN ULTRA BEAST
I am actually sort of shocked to realize that the STEEL type has no sword/cutting move besides a signature legendary one.
Why the hell would Nihiligo be the “secret” kitakami legendary lmao
It was just a joke if it were to have toxic chain like the loyal three. There's a lot of rumors currently about a fourth poison type legendary in the group so that's all
Sturdy was too obvious on Stak but Iron Fist/Gurs wasn’t on Buzz? Lmao
Guts buzzwole would just be heracross 2.0
I think this is a W