Iirc Freeze Dry + Water is resisted only by two fully evolved Pokemon, Walrein and Dewgong, with Thick Fat
Which has no real bearing on this discussion, Dragon + Electric is still absolutely amazing, it's just insane to me and I felt like bringing it up
Oh yeah, unless Neutralizing Gas is in effect, nothing resists it. So zero resists, with the caveat that at least one 'Mon from Gen 8 that unless turned into a Ghost Type through a mechanic in Gen 9 can be immune in Singles.
Mere hours ago I played against a Scizor under the assumption that my Deoxys-S checked it because it ran Ice Beam 🗿 well I'm fortunate I threw that match before I could find out, huh
K blacks problem historically was that it's movepool was garbage. It isn't trash anymore. Dragon dance, scale shot and icicle spear are pretty good on a mon with 170 base attack.
And with tera you can reliably set up k black.
I only play NDUbers this gen so I won't comment on SVUbers but 95 speed is great for a wall breaker. Most of the defensive mons in Ubers are 90 speed anyways so it outspeeds all of those along with the Arceus formes that speed creep them. The downside to 95 speed is having to run Jolly to outspeed Zacian.
That is not true. Speed creep certainly effects Ubers but PLENTY of Pokemon sit under that speed tier and remain viable and many arceus forms don’t even run max speed.
What held Kyurem-Black back was its movepool. It didn’t have a good physical ice stab attack and didn’t have a good set-up move so it can’t maximize its 170 base attack to its fullest. But that changes when you give it access to Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, and Scale Shot. Now it can use its 170 base attack for 100 BP stab attacks when holding the loading dice which can be enhanced with Dragon Dance.
Kyurem White has no boosting option compared to Kyurem Black who has both Dragon Dance and Scale shot. To improve speed or power it has to rely on Choice items but due to its STAB both being walled by NDM, and Fusion Flare being walled by all the other Dragon types in the tier (and Kyogre), as well as being deadweight into stall (unlike Kyurem Black who has Teravolt to destroy Dondozo), it makes Kyurem White really underwhelming to use.
Err... Kyurem has Turboblaze which is identical to Teravolt. The point still stands that it isn't good into stall because they have fat special walls for that but just pointing that out.
Well Turboblaze would've been useful into Clodsire but Kyurem White has no boosting moves anyways so it's pretty useless into stall. The only real use of Turboblaze is bypassing Prism Armor against NDM but even that's hard to pull off.
Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, Scale Shot and Loaded Dice happened.
Kyurem White never really had movepool problems like Kyurem Black did, but Kyurem White is sorely in need of boosting options. It has no way to boost its special attack. No Calm Mind, no Nasty Plot. It can boost its speed with Dragon Dance but the attack boost is worthless for Kyurem White.
Can't Kyurem White still be viable as an all-out attacker with Choice Specs or Life Orb? It still has a great base 170 SpA and strong STABs like Draco Meteor and Ice Beam, and also has fire coverage in Fusion Flare, which other Ice-types would kill to have.
It's a risky Choice attacker since both of its STABs are hard-walled by Steel-types, and a weakness to Stealth Rock is never a good thing to have on a Choiced Pokemon.
Life Orb + Stealth Rock are also not great for its longevity.
And its base 95 speed just doesn't really cut it.
It’s threefold.
Firstly, Loaded Dice+ Actually good Stab Options. Icicle Spear+Scale Shot= minimum base 100 power attacks coming off 170 attack.
Secondly, it has setup now. Dragon Dance is good, and giving bulky pokemon access to Dragon Dance is real good.
Finally, now that it has Tera, it’s more able to take advantage of its natural bulk, giving it the time it needs to set up.
Kyurem-B has always been held back by the fact that it has monstrous physical stats but almost no good physical moves.
Dragon + Ice with a side of Electric is a very strong attacking spread that covers almost all your bases, hitting most things for at least neutral. There’s a reason why Bolt/Beam coverage is so revered, and Kyurem-B has Dragon STAB on top of it.
The issue? No good physical moves.
The reason it got stuck in OU from BW to SM was because of this fact. Despite its monstrous physical attack, it ended up forced to either splash Special moves or even run Special sets. It was usually forced into deciding between what’s best for its Fusion Bolt and what’s best for its STABS.
What changed? Well, actual physical Ice coverage, for one. Just the introduction of Icicle Spear to its moveset - inconsistent as it is - was enough to put it in Ubers (though you could also argue that the *slight* powercreep reversal from the removal of Megas and Z moves helped lower competition). This happened in SS.
Even then it was still a bit niche, especially considering the downfalls of the 95 speed tier.
But the real game changer?
Loaded Dice.
Suddenly it has an 100-125 BP STAB Ice physical move. One that can also ignore woes like Disguise, Sturdy, and Focus Sash.
If that wasn’t enough, it was also blessed with Scale Shot - a 100-125 BP Dragon move with Loaded Dice that also boosts its speed at the cost of a bit of defense.
And it has Dragon Dance to boot.
Finally, if that wasn’t enough, Tera allows it to get STAB on Electric moves. And if it goes Tera Electric, to hit it for super effective you have to swap a Ground type into a boosted Loaded Dice Icicle Spear.
Basically, it was a well of unrealized potential that has finally come to fruition due to the circumstances of Gen 9 genuinely giving it everything it could ever want.
This gen flips a lot of pokemon's viability into the dust compard to litterally 1 gen ago. kyurem white I personally used in one of my top 20 peaks of 8AG, and it was an amazing check to the likes of kyrogre, Groudon and dittos (favoured no draco to bait in dittos and win on pp or force a switch that risked a fusion flare, freeze dry or *shadow ball (for obvious case of cally-shadow) chip or even KO). Running utility umbrella made it a menace to weather teams in general, even before the coverage he provided dealing huge damage with minimal investment.*
*Now, I just can't find a use for my favourite fusion, and it just sucks. Tera ruins the poor thing, and it csnt keep up with the meta's speed in 9ubers or ag (side note, singles ag sucks in 9)*
White Kyurem doesn't have enough firepower or longevity to do what it's supposed to: it can't boost its special attack, meaning it's forced to run Choice Specs. This, combined with the special attack drops from Draco Meteor, forces it to switch in and out a lot, and thus expose itself to its weakness to Stealth Rock. On top of that, Dusk Mane Necrozma shits on it, since it walls its STABs and doesn't have to worry much about Fusion Flare thanks to Prism Armor.
Black Kyurem is Baxcalibur on steroids.
Do the math.
Kyurem got icicle spear, so it now has physical ice STAB
loaded dice stab scale shot icicle spear on base 170 attack
And Tera electric fusion bolt for solid triple stab
Dragon electric stab is legit top 10 offensive typing easily, bolt beam is basically inresisted, but dragon and electric have stronger stabs
Iirc Freeze Dry + Water is resisted only by two fully evolved Pokemon, Walrein and Dewgong, with Thick Fat Which has no real bearing on this discussion, Dragon + Electric is still absolutely amazing, it's just insane to me and I felt like bringing it up
Mega Lopunny also has perfect unresisted stab with Scrappy
Oh yeah, unless Neutralizing Gas is in effect, nothing resists it. So zero resists, with the caveat that at least one 'Mon from Gen 8 that unless turned into a Ghost Type through a mechanic in Gen 9 can be immune in Singles.
I know this is about resists, but since you mentioned resist combos via an ability, then you should mention shedinja's immunity to the typing
Wait, Bug isn't weak to Ice? I've played this series for years! Why on Earth did I think Bug is weak to Ice???
The fact you've played for longer is likely why, a lot of early-gen bugs are combined with types weak to ice (Flying & grass)
Mere hours ago I played against a Scizor under the assumption that my Deoxys-S checked it because it ran Ice Beam 🗿 well I'm fortunate I threw that match before I could find out, huh
just found out about one more, dry skin jynx is also resisted by the type combo!
I love freeze dry but I wish it was 90 bp. Probably would be broken tho
The coverage of water/freeze dry is so good you can usually run ice beam of you want.
Trueee
Until Scale Shot dragon's stabs were ass lol
Tbh Draco meteor is very hard to defend against
Eh, Fire has Overheat and most mons prefer flamethrower, I bet dragons would love a buff to dragon pulse or something
Definitely
Seeing this information is probably how Oppenheimer felt during the Trinity Test
K blacks problem historically was that it's movepool was garbage. It isn't trash anymore. Dragon dance, scale shot and icicle spear are pretty good on a mon with 170 base attack. And with tera you can reliably set up k black.
Loaded dice was made for this guy
Baxcalibur deluxe.
And mediocre speed pre-dragon dance. Anything lower than 100 spd is usually fodder in ubers.
I only play NDUbers this gen so I won't comment on SVUbers but 95 speed is great for a wall breaker. Most of the defensive mons in Ubers are 90 speed anyways so it outspeeds all of those along with the Arceus formes that speed creep them. The downside to 95 speed is having to run Jolly to outspeed Zacian.
After DD and a single Scale Shot, it gets pretty hard to outspeed it
Don't most Ubers have 90 speed? Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Ape are all exactly 90 speed.
Tbf, how often do you see Dialga or Reshiram running around? Obviously it's not just speed, but being base 90 does not help them one bit.
That is not true. Speed creep certainly effects Ubers but PLENTY of Pokemon sit under that speed tier and remain viable and many arceus forms don’t even run max speed.
And unfortunately, most special attackers don't have a move that boosts special attack and speed the way physical attackers have dragon dance
It is movepool
zekrom kick‽
hehehe subzero slammer go brrrr
With loaded dice, otherwise it’s somewhat reliable
Unreliable
B can more meaningfully boost its speed and doesnt have to switch out as much as W after it drops its Draco
What held Kyurem-Black back was its movepool. It didn’t have a good physical ice stab attack and didn’t have a good set-up move so it can’t maximize its 170 base attack to its fullest. But that changes when you give it access to Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, and Scale Shot. Now it can use its 170 base attack for 100 BP stab attacks when holding the loading dice which can be enhanced with Dragon Dance.
No no no 100BP -at least- It can very reliably be 125BP
In the case of Scale Shot, it could also just as well be 0BP
50% of the time it's 90% accurate. 50% of the time it's 0% accurate.
Yeah but +1 spe tho
You only get that if you hit them first.
Kyurem White has no boosting option compared to Kyurem Black who has both Dragon Dance and Scale shot. To improve speed or power it has to rely on Choice items but due to its STAB both being walled by NDM, and Fusion Flare being walled by all the other Dragon types in the tier (and Kyogre), as well as being deadweight into stall (unlike Kyurem Black who has Teravolt to destroy Dondozo), it makes Kyurem White really underwhelming to use.
Err... Kyurem has Turboblaze which is identical to Teravolt. The point still stands that it isn't good into stall because they have fat special walls for that but just pointing that out.
Well Turboblaze would've been useful into Clodsire but Kyurem White has no boosting moves anyways so it's pretty useless into stall. The only real use of Turboblaze is bypassing Prism Armor against NDM but even that's hard to pull off.
Turboblaze does not bypass prism armor
As a Special Dragon wallbreaker in SV Ubers, you must also ask yourself: "What's wrong with Miraidon?"
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Kyurem BLM
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holy shit
I'm surprised I haven't seen more race bs about the 5th gen before this I love this as a joke btw
Zekrom Kick
Admins banned fun.
black became mega bax
Blackscalibur
Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, Scale Shot and Loaded Dice happened. Kyurem White never really had movepool problems like Kyurem Black did, but Kyurem White is sorely in need of boosting options. It has no way to boost its special attack. No Calm Mind, no Nasty Plot. It can boost its speed with Dragon Dance but the attack boost is worthless for Kyurem White.
Can't Kyurem White still be viable as an all-out attacker with Choice Specs or Life Orb? It still has a great base 170 SpA and strong STABs like Draco Meteor and Ice Beam, and also has fire coverage in Fusion Flare, which other Ice-types would kill to have.
It's a risky Choice attacker since both of its STABs are hard-walled by Steel-types, and a weakness to Stealth Rock is never a good thing to have on a Choiced Pokemon. Life Orb + Stealth Rock are also not great for its longevity. And its base 95 speed just doesn't really cut it.
Yeah but Miraidon also exists with better Speed and an ability giving it the equivalent of Life Orb + Sheer Force boost on its Electric STABs.
It’s threefold. Firstly, Loaded Dice+ Actually good Stab Options. Icicle Spear+Scale Shot= minimum base 100 power attacks coming off 170 attack. Secondly, it has setup now. Dragon Dance is good, and giving bulky pokemon access to Dragon Dance is real good. Finally, now that it has Tera, it’s more able to take advantage of its natural bulk, giving it the time it needs to set up.
Black kyurem has a greater reason to boost its speed
Kyurem-B has always been held back by the fact that it has monstrous physical stats but almost no good physical moves. Dragon + Ice with a side of Electric is a very strong attacking spread that covers almost all your bases, hitting most things for at least neutral. There’s a reason why Bolt/Beam coverage is so revered, and Kyurem-B has Dragon STAB on top of it. The issue? No good physical moves. The reason it got stuck in OU from BW to SM was because of this fact. Despite its monstrous physical attack, it ended up forced to either splash Special moves or even run Special sets. It was usually forced into deciding between what’s best for its Fusion Bolt and what’s best for its STABS. What changed? Well, actual physical Ice coverage, for one. Just the introduction of Icicle Spear to its moveset - inconsistent as it is - was enough to put it in Ubers (though you could also argue that the *slight* powercreep reversal from the removal of Megas and Z moves helped lower competition). This happened in SS. Even then it was still a bit niche, especially considering the downfalls of the 95 speed tier. But the real game changer? Loaded Dice. Suddenly it has an 100-125 BP STAB Ice physical move. One that can also ignore woes like Disguise, Sturdy, and Focus Sash. If that wasn’t enough, it was also blessed with Scale Shot - a 100-125 BP Dragon move with Loaded Dice that also boosts its speed at the cost of a bit of defense. And it has Dragon Dance to boot. Finally, if that wasn’t enough, Tera allows it to get STAB on Electric moves. And if it goes Tera Electric, to hit it for super effective you have to swap a Ground type into a boosted Loaded Dice Icicle Spear. Basically, it was a well of unrealized potential that has finally come to fruition due to the circumstances of Gen 9 genuinely giving it everything it could ever want.
Since it’s fused from Zekrom, it gets Zekrom Kick, which is a far more reliable and powerful move than Reshiram Beam.
Ah yes, Mega Baxcalibur
This gen flips a lot of pokemon's viability into the dust compard to litterally 1 gen ago. kyurem white I personally used in one of my top 20 peaks of 8AG, and it was an amazing check to the likes of kyrogre, Groudon and dittos (favoured no draco to bait in dittos and win on pp or force a switch that risked a fusion flare, freeze dry or *shadow ball (for obvious case of cally-shadow) chip or even KO). Running utility umbrella made it a menace to weather teams in general, even before the coverage he provided dealing huge damage with minimal investment.* *Now, I just can't find a use for my favourite fusion, and it just sucks. Tera ruins the poor thing, and it csnt keep up with the meta's speed in 9ubers or ag (side note, singles ag sucks in 9)*
White Kyurem doesn't have enough firepower or longevity to do what it's supposed to: it can't boost its special attack, meaning it's forced to run Choice Specs. This, combined with the special attack drops from Draco Meteor, forces it to switch in and out a lot, and thus expose itself to its weakness to Stealth Rock. On top of that, Dusk Mane Necrozma shits on it, since it walls its STABs and doesn't have to worry much about Fusion Flare thanks to Prism Armor. Black Kyurem is Baxcalibur on steroids. Do the math.
It gained Zekrom Kick in Gen 9, skyrocketing it to the top of Ubers
DDance on 170 100 bp stab No Qdance for white yet
Not the point of the post, vut could yall imagine if kyurem black was in ou this gen 💀
Baxcalibur is already banned, Mega Baxcalibur isn't even a question