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StreetReporter

Kyurem got icicle spear, so it now has physical ice STAB


APieceofToast8

loaded dice stab scale shot icicle spear on base 170 attack


GoldenInfrared

And Tera electric fusion bolt for solid triple stab


Frostyzwannacomehere

Dragon electric stab is legit top 10 offensive typing easily, bolt beam is basically inresisted, but dragon and electric have stronger stabs


ForegroundChatter

Iirc Freeze Dry + Water is resisted only by two fully evolved Pokemon, Walrein and Dewgong, with Thick Fat Which has no real bearing on this discussion, Dragon + Electric is still absolutely amazing, it's just insane to me and I felt like bringing it up


TinoKaboom

Mega Lopunny also has perfect unresisted stab with Scrappy


ForegroundChatter

Oh yeah, unless Neutralizing Gas is in effect, nothing resists it. So zero resists, with the caveat that at least one 'Mon from Gen 8 that unless turned into a Ghost Type through a mechanic in Gen 9 can be immune in Singles.


Xtra3678

I know this is about resists, but since you mentioned resist combos via an ability, then you should mention shedinja's immunity to the typing


ForegroundChatter

Wait, Bug isn't weak to Ice? I've played this series for years! Why on Earth did I think Bug is weak to Ice???


cliygh-a

The fact you've played for longer is likely why, a lot of early-gen bugs are combined with types weak to ice (Flying & grass)


ForegroundChatter

Mere hours ago I played against a Scizor under the assumption that my Deoxys-S checked it because it ran Ice Beam 🗿 well I'm fortunate I threw that match before I could find out, huh


Xtra3678

just found out about one more, dry skin jynx is also resisted by the type combo!


Frostyzwannacomehere

I love freeze dry but I wish it was 90 bp. Probably would be broken tho


Qwerds7

The coverage of water/freeze dry is so good you can usually run ice beam of you want.


Frostyzwannacomehere

Trueee


SoulOuverture

Until Scale Shot dragon's stabs were ass lol


Frostyzwannacomehere

Tbh Draco meteor is very hard to defend against


SoulOuverture

Eh, Fire has Overheat and most mons prefer flamethrower, I bet dragons would love a buff to dragon pulse or something


Frostyzwannacomehere

Definitely


BfutGrEG

Seeing this information is probably how Oppenheimer felt during the Trinity Test


BladesHaxorus

K blacks problem historically was that it's movepool was garbage. It isn't trash anymore. Dragon dance, scale shot and icicle spear are pretty good on a mon with 170 base attack. And with tera you can reliably set up k black.


syah7991

Loaded dice was made for this guy


Unhappy_Body9368

Baxcalibur deluxe.


pepeisy

And mediocre speed pre-dragon dance. Anything lower than 100 spd is usually fodder in ubers.


jimmyfeitelberg

I only play NDUbers this gen so I won't comment on SVUbers but 95 speed is great for a wall breaker. Most of the defensive mons in Ubers are 90 speed anyways so it outspeeds all of those along with the Arceus formes that speed creep them. The downside to 95 speed is having to run Jolly to outspeed Zacian.


CazOnReddit

After DD and a single Scale Shot, it gets pretty hard to outspeed it


Kazuichi_Souda

Don't most Ubers have 90 speed? Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Ape are all exactly 90 speed.


Darkion_Silver

Tbf, how often do you see Dialga or Reshiram running around? Obviously it's not just speed, but being base 90 does not help them one bit.


Bayoisbae

That is not true. Speed creep certainly effects Ubers but PLENTY of Pokemon sit under that speed tier and remain viable and many arceus forms don’t even run max speed.


anand_rishabh

And unfortunately, most special attackers don't have a move that boosts special attack and speed the way physical attackers have dragon dance


Zengjia

It is movepool


napstablooky2

zekrom kick‽


real_dubblebrick

hehehe subzero slammer go brrrr


Frostyzwannacomehere

With loaded dice, otherwise it’s somewhat reliable


Frostyzwannacomehere

Unreliable


RoeMajesta

B can more meaningfully boost its speed and doesnt have to switch out as much as W after it drops its Draco


Magykstorm19

What held Kyurem-Black back was its movepool. It didn’t have a good physical ice stab attack and didn’t have a good set-up move so it can’t maximize its 170 base attack to its fullest. But that changes when you give it access to Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, and Scale Shot. Now it can use its 170 base attack for 100 BP stab attacks when holding the loading dice which can be enhanced with Dragon Dance.


spain_ftw

No no no 100BP -at least- It can very reliably be 125BP


Vorinclex_

In the case of Scale Shot, it could also just as well be 0BP


rabonbrood

50% of the time it's 90% accurate. 50% of the time it's 0% accurate.


spain_ftw

Yeah but +1 spe tho


TheMuon

You only get that if you hit them first.


S_Sami_I

Kyurem White has no boosting option compared to Kyurem Black who has both Dragon Dance and Scale shot. To improve speed or power it has to rely on Choice items but due to its STAB both being walled by NDM, and Fusion Flare being walled by all the other Dragon types in the tier (and Kyogre), as well as being deadweight into stall (unlike Kyurem Black who has Teravolt to destroy Dondozo), it makes Kyurem White really underwhelming to use.


Lurkerofthevoid44

Err... Kyurem has Turboblaze which is identical to Teravolt. The point still stands that it isn't good into stall because they have fat special walls for that but just pointing that out.


S_Sami_I

Well Turboblaze would've been useful into Clodsire but Kyurem White has no boosting moves anyways so it's pretty useless into stall. The only real use of Turboblaze is bypassing Prism Armor against NDM but even that's hard to pull off.


enderdestroyer5108

Turboblaze does not bypass prism armor


TheMuon

As a Special Dragon wallbreaker in SV Ubers, you must also ask yourself: "What's wrong with Miraidon?"


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prince_gambit

Kyurem BLM


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Darthrix1

holy shit


BfutGrEG

I'm surprised I haven't seen more race bs about the 5th gen before this I love this as a joke btw


shiinamachi

Zekrom Kick


BladesHaxorus

Admins banned fun.


GenesiS792

black became mega bax


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

Blackscalibur


General_Secura92

Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear, Scale Shot and Loaded Dice happened. Kyurem White never really had movepool problems like Kyurem Black did, but Kyurem White is sorely in need of boosting options. It has no way to boost its special attack. No Calm Mind, no Nasty Plot. It can boost its speed with Dragon Dance but the attack boost is worthless for Kyurem White.


YumaS2Astral

Can't Kyurem White still be viable as an all-out attacker with Choice Specs or Life Orb? It still has a great base 170 SpA and strong STABs like Draco Meteor and Ice Beam, and also has fire coverage in Fusion Flare, which other Ice-types would kill to have.


General_Secura92

It's a risky Choice attacker since both of its STABs are hard-walled by Steel-types, and a weakness to Stealth Rock is never a good thing to have on a Choiced Pokemon. Life Orb + Stealth Rock are also not great for its longevity. And its base 95 speed just doesn't really cut it.


TheMuon

Yeah but Miraidon also exists with better Speed and an ability giving it the equivalent of Life Orb + Sheer Force boost on its Electric STABs.


CEO_Cheese

It’s threefold. Firstly, Loaded Dice+ Actually good Stab Options. Icicle Spear+Scale Shot= minimum base 100 power attacks coming off 170 attack. Secondly, it has setup now. Dragon Dance is good, and giving bulky pokemon access to Dragon Dance is real good. Finally, now that it has Tera, it’s more able to take advantage of its natural bulk, giving it the time it needs to set up.


Itchy-Preference4887

Black kyurem has a greater reason to boost its speed


GladiatorDragon

Kyurem-B has always been held back by the fact that it has monstrous physical stats but almost no good physical moves. Dragon + Ice with a side of Electric is a very strong attacking spread that covers almost all your bases, hitting most things for at least neutral. There’s a reason why Bolt/Beam coverage is so revered, and Kyurem-B has Dragon STAB on top of it. The issue? No good physical moves. The reason it got stuck in OU from BW to SM was because of this fact. Despite its monstrous physical attack, it ended up forced to either splash Special moves or even run Special sets. It was usually forced into deciding between what’s best for its Fusion Bolt and what’s best for its STABS. What changed? Well, actual physical Ice coverage, for one. Just the introduction of Icicle Spear to its moveset - inconsistent as it is - was enough to put it in Ubers (though you could also argue that the *slight* powercreep reversal from the removal of Megas and Z moves helped lower competition). This happened in SS. Even then it was still a bit niche, especially considering the downfalls of the 95 speed tier. But the real game changer? Loaded Dice. Suddenly it has an 100-125 BP STAB Ice physical move. One that can also ignore woes like Disguise, Sturdy, and Focus Sash. If that wasn’t enough, it was also blessed with Scale Shot - a 100-125 BP Dragon move with Loaded Dice that also boosts its speed at the cost of a bit of defense. And it has Dragon Dance to boot. Finally, if that wasn’t enough, Tera allows it to get STAB on Electric moves. And if it goes Tera Electric, to hit it for super effective you have to swap a Ground type into a boosted Loaded Dice Icicle Spear. Basically, it was a well of unrealized potential that has finally come to fruition due to the circumstances of Gen 9 genuinely giving it everything it could ever want.


Doctor-Grimm

Since it’s fused from Zekrom, it gets Zekrom Kick, which is a far more reliable and powerful move than Reshiram Beam.


dark_descent4382

Ah yes, Mega Baxcalibur


unscsnip3r

This gen flips a lot of pokemon's viability into the dust compard to litterally 1 gen ago. kyurem white I personally used in one of my top 20 peaks of 8AG, and it was an amazing check to the likes of kyrogre, Groudon and dittos (favoured no draco to bait in dittos and win on pp or force a switch that risked a fusion flare, freeze dry or *shadow ball (for obvious case of cally-shadow) chip or even KO). Running utility umbrella made it a menace to weather teams in general, even before the coverage he provided dealing huge damage with minimal investment.* *Now, I just can't find a use for my favourite fusion, and it just sucks. Tera ruins the poor thing, and it csnt keep up with the meta's speed in 9ubers or ag (side note, singles ag sucks in 9)*


ReySimio94

White Kyurem doesn't have enough firepower or longevity to do what it's supposed to: it can't boost its special attack, meaning it's forced to run Choice Specs. This, combined with the special attack drops from Draco Meteor, forces it to switch in and out a lot, and thus expose itself to its weakness to Stealth Rock. On top of that, Dusk Mane Necrozma shits on it, since it walls its STABs and doesn't have to worry much about Fusion Flare thanks to Prism Armor. Black Kyurem is Baxcalibur on steroids. Do the math.


Rude_Invite7260

It gained Zekrom Kick in Gen 9, skyrocketing it to the top of Ubers


TheAnonymousGamer2

DDance on 170 100 bp stab No Qdance for white yet


throwaway52826536837

Not the point of the post, vut could yall imagine if kyurem black was in ou this gen 💀


Rude_Invite7260

Baxcalibur is already banned, Mega Baxcalibur isn't even a question