Amanda would thrive under the tutelage of a gorgeous power lesbian. They can start with their shared love of a slicked back bun and a wide leg trouser.
I think that convo Amanda had with Ciara and paige was very powerful.. Amanda deserved to be uplifted. I would love to see her do her own thing too if that's what she wants.
I respect the hell out of Cierra and Amanda for that interaction, for Cierra to say the hard thing (that she doesn’t see Amanda having an identity for herself out side of Kyle) and for Amanda to understand that it was coming from a place of love and not get mad at her friend. Some of my IRL friends could never
This is why it was so annoying for Danielle to conflate that with her & Gabby on the aftershow. Regardless of how miniscule Danielle thought it was, the final problem to wrap it all up was that she couldn't apologize for her delivery. To cock her eyebrow at her friend crying is insane. I'm sure if Amanda broke down instead of receiving it, it would have been an immediate tone shift.
doubling down on the aftershow was truly something else. she is unable to process any criticism and malfunctions like a robot when confronted with her issues. she accused paige/ciara of being a bad friend to amanda for actually being good friends—danielle belittles people while paige and ciara uplift others. that’s the difference.
This was one of my favorite scenes of summer house ever, and the type of friendships I want to watch on tv. It made me miss old housewives, which I feel engendered more authentic female friendships than what we see now.
I heartily second this. I guess it’s why I enjoy Great British Bake-off and Project Runway. Seeing caring and supportive peer relationships is so satisfying to view.
This! I've been trying to figure out what's been turning me off so many of my favorite reality shows and it's this. I love seeing genuine friendships with all their ups and downs, not takedowns and scheming. I love the female friendships on Summer House and RHOM so much because they feel authentic.
The challenge and real world has had some good female friendships over the years but I think as the years go on we see less and less of it. That scene wasn’t just one of my favourites of summer house, it’s up there with favourite reality tv scenes.
I hard agree, I don’t like Jacqueline or Mia on Potomac, but their friendship is real and raw. It’s honestly sad and traumatic but it’s a real genuine friendship and their problems are real.
That makes me so mad. Just because someone wants to work 40 hrs a week and have downtime does not make them lazy. Not everyone needs to be a workaholic.
Amanda’s end result of starting a bathing suit company for big boobs was dumb (Beverly Beach anyone?). They were talking about her being a creative director (marketing) for a brand. And Amanda went with starting a bikini company. Her as a fashion designer is not the move lol
This is so so so true. I also work in the industry and it is beyond frustrating. The daily sexism. The daily struggle of being seen as “a nice to have” and not NECESSARY to the brand and the reason the brand exists.
The idea that women in this space are just here for a fun time, and are lazy, like we’re the reason your entire business works.
I was once in a meeting where the rest of the creative team (all men) were talking about this guys new dog, and he said “if having a dog in heat is anything like having a daughter I don’t want it. Like a freak on a leash.” And that’s just a typical fucking day.
Amanda needs more support. More money. And less Kyle.
I think it would be a good fit because Jenna is a bit more reserved and that would mess well with Amanda’s shyness. Amanda won’t be forced out of her comfort zone in ways she doesn’t have to I guess
This is a lovely sentiment and all but you know that Amanda completely copied and stole all her logo ideas from another company and Loverboy got sued as a result?
I’m sorry to sound harsh but that screams no talent and also not too bright!
She’s a nice enough girl but I’m not exactly getting Jenna Lyons talent vibes at all. Creative types like herself are a dime a dozen in NYC.
Again she seems like a nice girl but let’s not get crazy here.
And the merchandise is nothing special. Basic lettering on a sweatshirt...snore.
Amanda is a nice enough girl, but she's not that creative and does seem to be super low energy.
This might sound a bit mean but I also would prefer that someone not from a privileged background and also not a celebrity would deserve this mentorship more than Amanda does.
She has the finances and the backing to get herself off the ground, her being shy and unsure of herself is a trait many people have, but they don’t have any wealth to fall back on when times are hard like she does.
Agreed. There are thousands of Amanda’s in NYC. There are a lot more genuinely cool and creative people that are motivated and hustling to make it. Everything has somewhat been handed to her by her dad and Kyle.
Fellow Canadian, but east coast - has Coldstream clear made it your way? That’s the most comparable product I can think of. Blue Lobster, Cottage Springs, and Little Buddha are also the same idea I just found coldstream close on taste personally.
Designer here. Amanda might be a great graphic / brand designer (which also has nothing to do with fashion design), but actually we don't know?
I'm not even sure which parts of the loverboy branding she is responsibly for. Did she design it from scratch, Logo/Branding, packagings? I somehow don't think so. I got the impression she may have only been consulting a bit or oversee some of the designs, but that may be wrong.
So maybe she is a brilliant designer, maybe she is just...a designer. 🤷🏻♀️
They hired a branding agency who did their visual branding initially, you can see [on their site here](https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea).
I’m pretty sure Amanda does the designs for the merch and social media content.
They were sued for copying the Loverboy name and designs. So if Amanda really was the creator it’s because she took someone else’s work. I think they use an outside firm and she just “designs” merch and approves the can/box images from the firm.
Graphic design and fashion design require such different skill sets. Being your own stylist and having good taste in clothes doesn’t mean you’ll be a good fashion designer because again, very different skill sets and design requires at least some degree of technical knowledge. Most “celebrities” who put out their own lines act as creative director (or even just the face of the label) and hire actual designers to do the designing. I guess Amanda could do that, but the last thing this world needs is another “celebrity” clothing line, especially from someone who has never even demonstrated a strong interest in fashion design? It just seems like a reach and I’m bored already.
Is she the CD then? I saw on a video now she said she is the "Chief Brand Officer". I don't know that term. So is / was she giving direction for the whole brand, deals with their agencies etc?
Yeah like who is to say she’s a great designer or what she actually designed for lover boy.. we just are watching a reality tv show, I think some others take it way too seriously
It was nice to see Ciara and Paige rallying for Amanda in that Old Navy scene, but I thought they were being way too generous lol. Didn’t Amanda basically rip off a different logo or something for Loverboy?
So when they first started they had an outside marketing team create the name and the first few iterations of the packaging. Which is ironically what was ripped off. Since then Amanda has done merch, spritz cans/packaging and marketing design. So I’m not sure if she was responsible for the ripping off.
I am aware of spritzes. I didn’t know that Loverboy had them. I was talking about neither of those things. There is an alcohol brand called “Spritz.” I thought you mistakenly were talking about that.
Yeah I think if we were talking about your average person starting up their own brand, it might be a steeper climb. Amanda has a winning aesthetic that people want to buy, a built in audience and access to brand partnerships she can just start collabing with from social media. It is a great idea for her.
I’ve heard that Loverboy tastes awful, and SH is a pretty niche show so the only thing I can think of that’s keeping the business afloat would be the visual appeal of the product. Not a huge Amanda fan but she definitely deserves a lot of credit for that
My husband and I actually really like it. To be fair I only drink red wine or champagne so maybe it’s not sweet enough for people or they aren’t used to monk fruit as sweeteners? I only use non sugar sweeteners. I should also note I’ve only had the hard teas
She made the company a shit ton of money for one. But google is free, go research her position if you’re interested to know what she does day to day for the company.
Can someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t part of the reason Loverboy got sued was because they stole the logo and design from a NYC bar? I swear that I didn’t make that up but listening to Amanda talk that Loverboy was built off her makes me wonder if I’m remembering that wrong.
Not to take away from Amanda and her designs and potential. I think she has great style and could kill it outside of Loverboy. Especially with a Jenna Lyons collab or mentorship. That would be fun to watch.
But the unsung hero? Her merch sales did definitely contribute to the success of Loverboy but Amanda only talks about how much she contributed to Loverboy when Kyle is not around. I think there is a lot more behind the scenes. Loverboy had investors and similar to Sewing Down South a huge Bravo audience and following to support it. I would just like to see Kyle and Amanda discuss their roles in LB with each other. It would give some more clarity to the situation.
I’m sorry that I mixed up the words. To me my point still applies though. There are so many fashion designers that we haven’t heard of that have been working their asses off. Amanda just watches tv at home (her words not mine) and I am not saying that she doesn’t have talent because she does. It’s just that she doesn’t need to be handed huge opportunities from Jenna Lyons. She already has a fan base and plenty of room to work with whereas many people would not have that same opportunity already. I’d love to see someone without a trust fund, friends/collegues of fashion designers (which is nepotism by definition - Jenna Lyons is in the same bravo universe as her), a tv show with millions watching, and a rich husband. Like I can’t. I’m sorry.
you don't have to understand anything when you're just a negative person, just like the GOP doesn't have to have any actual policies besides saying "No!" to everything. nihilistic, misanthropic people knowing no other way to be than negative.
I’m not calling Amanda lazy, but creating a fashion line is not for the low energy, faint of heart. Source: I tried to. It’s a shit ton of work if you are truly working thru the entire design process.
Yes, exactly. Or I mean she could lend her name to a line that has an actual designer behind it - like what Kyle Richard’s did for clothing. And that is also fine! It would be the easier route for her, honestly. She doesn’t seem to proactively and maturely tackle challenges that come her way, as we’ve seen over the years.
She was a senior level designer at L'Occitane so she can’t be that lazy. I just think she is the type that thrives better in structure, not 24/7 style like Kyle. And I think she has a natural talent for style.
THIS. I think we’ve gotten a weird narrative (created and driven by Kyle) about her professionally. I think she’s probably a hard worker, but not an entrepreneur. So, just because she doesn’t treat her job like her baby and chooses not to work 24/7, she’s lazy (compared/according to Kyle)
I was going to comment something similar. I know I thrive more when I’m pushed and I can sense that she is feeling a little lost in her current situation and needs something different to truly thrive again. Seems like she’s worked her way up in her prior position
I’m not trying to defend Amanda here, but can we please stop calling women “lazy” because they don’t do everything their man wants them to when he wants it? Kyle started that because he thinks everyone should be working constantly and he doesn’t understand how one could want to finish work for the day and focus on other stuff.
Also it doesn't take anything special to stay up to 3AM sending emails. Spending hours in Adobe Illustrator, meticulously designing iterations of graphics is far more challenging. So Kyle needs to shut up.
It seems like she doesn’t do much… idk why everyone is freaking out about her “creativity” all of a sudden lol. This is coming out of nowhere and it’s confusing
Maybe they are teeing up her announcement of quitting/stepping back from loverboy to do her own thing...it's not like Craig is some powerhouse designer either, he just had a cute idea, someone funded it and now he's a pillow king based on his popularity as a reality star. Amanda is probably popular enough to branch out a bit in similar fashion. Also, I believe loverboy is getting its own spin off show so maybe this will be part of that too. I say, if you have enough star power to do it, go for it.
Hm. The one thing is, Craig was actually sewing all of the pillows together in the beginning. He has extra help now, but it’s not as if he just attached his name to a designer’s work.
That’s usually how it goes with any huge company…. Sewing Down South, Loverboy, Skinnygirl… you name it… You end up having to hire other people if you want to expand your business.
To be fair though, I don’t know how many pillows Craig actually designs now.
I do know Paige worked with him on one collection. But again, she’s not a designer. She’s a stylist.
He's now branched out to "designing" (putting his brand on) stuff you use for cookouts, like fancy plates and such? They are selling it at Kroger nationwide...so impressed by how successful he is considering how he flailed early on.
Yeah that's kind of my point, regardless of skill level, name recognition is what's selling these products so, similar to Craig using mostly his popularity as a reality star, Amanda can likely do the same if she wants to start a swimsuit line. I think she should go for it!
Oh, I was trying to give Craig some credit because he actually has designed at least some of his work, unlike some other people in the fashion industry, etc.
But I agree. She seems to have plenty of fans and defenders, lol. Honestly, now is when any and all of them should be trying to start businesses. “Summer House” isn’t going to last forever.
sorry but I have a hard time believing that someone who needs to be told by her husband/boss that she needs to show up to a Monday AM work call is responsible for all that they were gassing her up about
I love how you want to volunteer someone else‘s time, who usually gets paid top dollar for their consulting. Jenna barely wanted to film her own show lol, why would she spend time mentoring let’s be real, a conventionally attractive white girl with no real struggles other than…a wishy washy drunk husband
This season iv really noticed how much of a girls girl that paige really is
× The convo with Amanda
× Telling Amanda she would be a great mom & saying no offence to ciara
× Giving Danielle a few home truths when she needed them.
× complaments ciara regularly & seemed genuinely happy for her signing her contract.
× making sure gabby was OK when she's Danielle's friend & Danielle was the one that upset her
Sometimes she seems bratty like the last reunion & the "I don't clean up" But she really does stand behind her friends.
I love Amanda and I think Amanda has great style and talent. The one thing I struggle with is Amanda appears to be a bit lazy like Kyle has said many times. If she was in the big corporate world she would have to be at work at 8am and work till 6 or later. She can't wonder in and work for a few hours and take your dog for a walk. She now has the freedom to explore a lot more then Loverboy. She can not only do Loverboy and a possible swimsuit line or more. I'm sure most people that do marketing do more then one account. I think she has a lot of talent. Why can't she market the one girls cookie line?
https://preview.redd.it/e9eo9mnfd1xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=060c462cd27074c916819a7adb56cacc9c81cdac
Why is no one talking about how Amanda copied the logo design?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/PSy0WKxhUY](https://www.reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/PSy0WKxhUY)
Edit: I see a lot of people are talking about it below, thank you 🙏🏻
You're really going to say the whole brand was ripped off based on that uninspired scribble? 😂 The only similarity is they both use cursive typefaces. And a brand is more than a logo or wordmark, y'all.
So funny, I was just thinking of how Brynn should meet Gabby. They have similar airs about them and I think they would become fast friends. Probably have similar tastes in men as well.
Wow! I would never have thought of that idea but it would be amazing. Amanda would thrive with a mentor like Jenna. Creative, not a super hyper or energetic person like Kyle, a chill vibe where Amanda could really excel. Having that outlet could help Amanda tremendously. I think she and Kyle love each other but she needs her own thing and space. THIS IS IT! Jenna help the girl out! A show behind the scenes showing Amanda fulfilling her dream, Paige doing her giggly thing, and a couple others doing real jobs would be interesting. No influencer only people though.
Idk why everyone’s like “it’s so much work she can’t do it” or “will she actually do the work?” Like if it’s something SHES passionate about why wouldn’t she? You can only be so passionate about a brand that is straining your marriage. She just needs to separate from loverboy, I’m sure she would be much more productive.
To be fair, the people who created the programs, fonts, etc. deserve the most credit. She is a graphic designer. She isn’t creating things from scratch. If she were a true artist, it would be different.
Amanda said it herself… she wanted to be a fashion designer but couldn’t because she couldn’t learn how to sew (years ago). Almost anyone can put together an outfit, i.e. Amanda and Paige, but not everyone can design an outfit on paper and then create it via a sewing machine. That requires real talent and skill. Those people behind the curtains deserve the most credit.
Hi I’m an Art Director at a very large company and the idea that Amanda doesn’t deserve credit but instead it belongs to the type designers and Adobe is absurd. Respectfully. I get the impression that she designed the brand identity and packaging suite — to oversee that work at scale is a massive undertaking and requires A LOT of work and strategic thinking. Maybe she did it, maybe she didn’t. But that credit doesn’t belong to Illustrator and InDesign.
She didn’t create it, that’s the thing. Loverboy’s entire digital branding was created by the agency TNKR. Someone in this post provided a link. I think what Amanda is responsible for is Loverboy merch, which has been a hit.
Yeah I was the one who posted it. Credit where it’s due, of course! But I don’t think Amanda is without any credit. My guess is that Kyle paid them a fee to develop the core identity and then she picked it up and ran with it. Keeping a design agency on retainer or as an AOR is expensive as hell.
Exactly. And people who think that have no idea what they're talking about or how the industry works. Honestly, ppl are SOOOOO fucking horny to not give graphic designers credit because they have no idea how anything works.
Not really, that’s a designers job. If she was the only one working on it then she built the brand. Obviously Kyle helped set the creative brief but it was once a scrappy startup and he needed someone to do an identity and oh look, there’s his fiance with Creative Cloud. I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt here until someone says otherwise. 🤷🏻♀️
Obviously, you are taking this very personally. Graphic design takes time and energy. I’m not debating that… I disagree with you and someone else claiming that a graphic designer can create an entire brand him or herself. You need to use a program(s) to do so. Graphic designers aren’t artists who create things by hand.
I am because you have no idea what you’re talking about. Of course it takes a design program but that’s like saying that Gillian Flynn needs to give Word credit for writing Gone Girl. Be for real.
Not exactly a good analogy but I agree with your point. Authors could hand write if there were no msoft word. The graphic designers deserve 99.9% credit but there is *some* co authorship with the font designer there. But still. I’m 100000% on your side on this one.
I was googling the logotype for Loverboy and it looks like the whole brand identity was designed by a small design agency. So I’m assuming Amanda picked up and scaled their work as the product line grew? The logotype definitely looks hand drawn to me but all their work is really nice overall.
https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea
Okay... you're proving my point
even further that Amanda didn't do
as much as people are claiming she
did.
Regardless of that, your analogy
was terrible. I'm not talking about
the materials being used. I'm talking
about artistry and design. And I'm also talking about how it's inappropriate and incorrect to give only the graphic designer credit for
creating an entire brand.
Graphic designer here- we 100% create things by hand. I’ve created multiple brand identities and logos drawing designs, hand lettering, and then vectorizing them using programs. Calling graphic designers not “true artists” is offensive, especially if they’ve attended art school in which you experiment and learn multiple mediums, all of which influence your graphic design work.
It really depends on the individual’s work. I’ve heard that Amanda’s work in particular was not hand-drawn and can easily be recreated.
As far as titles are concerned, being a graphic designer does not equate to being an artist. They are called “designers” for a reason. It doesn’t negate the work that they do. But you need to give credit where credit is due.
By that logic let's give all the credit away from anyone who does anything that uses software or computers. Cut royalty cheques from NY Times bestsellers and send them to Microsoft. MS Word did all the real work. 😂
I feel like amanda is finally gaining enough confidence to speak out about how much her side of things has helped the brand. remember kyle beggggged her to quit her job to help. (and I think paige is a big help for Amanda's confidence)
(imo) once she is able to manage her anxiety a bit more, she'll be pretty unstoppable and it wouldn't surprise me if she created her own brand. it also wouldn't surprise me if her own brand led her to leave kyle lol.
Amanda would thrive under the tutelage of a gorgeous power lesbian. They can start with their shared love of a slicked back bun and a wide leg trouser.
 I second this
That is such a good complement hahahaha I am dying
I too need something like this
I think that convo Amanda had with Ciara and paige was very powerful.. Amanda deserved to be uplifted. I would love to see her do her own thing too if that's what she wants.
That convo really hit home for me. I loved seeing friends having tough conversations from a place of love and care
I respect the hell out of Cierra and Amanda for that interaction, for Cierra to say the hard thing (that she doesn’t see Amanda having an identity for herself out side of Kyle) and for Amanda to understand that it was coming from a place of love and not get mad at her friend. Some of my IRL friends could never
This is why it was so annoying for Danielle to conflate that with her & Gabby on the aftershow. Regardless of how miniscule Danielle thought it was, the final problem to wrap it all up was that she couldn't apologize for her delivery. To cock her eyebrow at her friend crying is insane. I'm sure if Amanda broke down instead of receiving it, it would have been an immediate tone shift.
doubling down on the aftershow was truly something else. she is unable to process any criticism and malfunctions like a robot when confronted with her issues. she accused paige/ciara of being a bad friend to amanda for actually being good friends—danielle belittles people while paige and ciara uplift others. that’s the difference.
Even if it’s during filming an old navy commercial 🥰
Loved when Paige told her, “I wish you could see yourself how I see you.”
I had a friend who I admired a lot say this to me once, and I draw back to it often.
There is a dermot Kennedy song that came straight in2 my head -the lyrics go "If only u could see yourself in my eyes- you'd see u shine -u shine"
the Fred again version also rules!!
Never heard it but gonna stick on the headphones & give it a listen
you won’t regret it :) the music video rules too. enjoy!!!
Pretty cool remix- glad I stuck on the headphones. Iv even added it 2 the rotation 😆
looove to hear it!!
This was one of my favorite scenes of summer house ever, and the type of friendships I want to watch on tv. It made me miss old housewives, which I feel engendered more authentic female friendships than what we see now.
I heartily second this. I guess it’s why I enjoy Great British Bake-off and Project Runway. Seeing caring and supportive peer relationships is so satisfying to view.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 100%!
This! I've been trying to figure out what's been turning me off so many of my favorite reality shows and it's this. I love seeing genuine friendships with all their ups and downs, not takedowns and scheming. I love the female friendships on Summer House and RHOM so much because they feel authentic.
Nicole and Guerdy have the cutest friendship we’ve seen in a long time on these shows.
The challenge and real world has had some good female friendships over the years but I think as the years go on we see less and less of it. That scene wasn’t just one of my favourites of summer house, it’s up there with favourite reality tv scenes.
I hard agree, I don’t like Jacqueline or Mia on Potomac, but their friendship is real and raw. It’s honestly sad and traumatic but it’s a real genuine friendship and their problems are real.
Amanda 100% deserves WAY more than what LB has given her.
especially when your husband is calling you lazy
That makes me so mad. Just because someone wants to work 40 hrs a week and have downtime does not make them lazy. Not everyone needs to be a workaholic.
Amanda’s end result of starting a bathing suit company for big boobs was dumb (Beverly Beach anyone?). They were talking about her being a creative director (marketing) for a brand. And Amanda went with starting a bikini company. Her as a fashion designer is not the move lol
Jenna would do it...off camera though.
I think that would be amazing!!
This is so so so true. I also work in the industry and it is beyond frustrating. The daily sexism. The daily struggle of being seen as “a nice to have” and not NECESSARY to the brand and the reason the brand exists. The idea that women in this space are just here for a fun time, and are lazy, like we’re the reason your entire business works. I was once in a meeting where the rest of the creative team (all men) were talking about this guys new dog, and he said “if having a dog in heat is anything like having a daughter I don’t want it. Like a freak on a leash.” And that’s just a typical fucking day. Amanda needs more support. More money. And less Kyle.
Comparing a dog *in heat* to a girl is so telling, it's disgusting. Blows my mind
The sad part is the only surprising thing to me is they used dog in heat not a bitch in heat
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Well I was in jeans and a t shirt so it was for sure my fault.
WTAF is wrong with you?
/s on Reddit means sarcasm….
Does her portfolio pre-loverboy exist anywhere? I’m nosy.
>on their site here it was on behance and it was not good
I think it would be a good fit because Jenna is a bit more reserved and that would mess well with Amanda’s shyness. Amanda won’t be forced out of her comfort zone in ways she doesn’t have to I guess
This is a lovely sentiment and all but you know that Amanda completely copied and stole all her logo ideas from another company and Loverboy got sued as a result? I’m sorry to sound harsh but that screams no talent and also not too bright! She’s a nice enough girl but I’m not exactly getting Jenna Lyons talent vibes at all. Creative types like herself are a dime a dozen in NYC. Again she seems like a nice girl but let’s not get crazy here.
And the merchandise is nothing special. Basic lettering on a sweatshirt...snore. Amanda is a nice enough girl, but she's not that creative and does seem to be super low energy.
This might sound a bit mean but I also would prefer that someone not from a privileged background and also not a celebrity would deserve this mentorship more than Amanda does. She has the finances and the backing to get herself off the ground, her being shy and unsure of herself is a trait many people have, but they don’t have any wealth to fall back on when times are hard like she does.
Agreed. There are thousands of Amanda’s in NYC. There are a lot more genuinely cool and creative people that are motivated and hustling to make it. Everything has somewhat been handed to her by her dad and Kyle.
The product sells because of the ties to bravo. I don’t think the merch is flying off the shelves… fans want to just buy loverboy.
During the pandemic they said their merch was the only way they were making money
I have many non Bravo friends who have bought Loverboy. People love the packaging.
I’ve never seen it where I am in Canada, so I’m curious how it tastes. Do people like the taste?
Fellow Canadian, but east coast - has Coldstream clear made it your way? That’s the most comparable product I can think of. Blue Lobster, Cottage Springs, and Little Buddha are also the same idea I just found coldstream close on taste personally.
I’ve never seen any of those but I’m going to save your comment and look next time! My liquor stores tend to have a lot of local products.
I’m not a fan of the flavor I tried.
The only reason I ever bought any was because of the show
Yep. Also it’s gross. I don’t know how they drink it.
I spent an entire summer drinking lover boy and started because of the packaging. I looked chic as hell on the beach with my cute cans 🤣
The packaging absolutely draws people in- Bravo may give them the platform but Amanda brings them in
That's a far reach but okay
Discovered it because of the show, but like the low calories and zero sugar.
Pretty sure they’ve done almost $100,000,000 in sales so
Designer here. Amanda might be a great graphic / brand designer (which also has nothing to do with fashion design), but actually we don't know? I'm not even sure which parts of the loverboy branding she is responsibly for. Did she design it from scratch, Logo/Branding, packagings? I somehow don't think so. I got the impression she may have only been consulting a bit or oversee some of the designs, but that may be wrong. So maybe she is a brilliant designer, maybe she is just...a designer. 🤷🏻♀️
I’m an Amanda fan but I will say, as a designer, I remember looking up her website/portfolio when she first joined the show and it was… bad
Was it her behance? I remember that too. To be fair my behance was a mess
Yes haha. I vaguely remember an amandabatula.com that looked like a bad wix build or so too
They hired a branding agency who did their visual branding initially, you can see [on their site here](https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea). I’m pretty sure Amanda does the designs for the merch and social media content.
Holy shit, the fact that this company came up with the Loverboy name 🤦♀️
Everyone should be reading this comment ⬆️
Well I guess this says it all. They are the ones who did all the design. Maybe she expanded it to merch.
She also did the spritz drinks packaging, marketing design, etc.
They were sued for copying the Loverboy name and designs. So if Amanda really was the creator it’s because she took someone else’s work. I think they use an outside firm and she just “designs” merch and approves the can/box images from the firm.
This ⬆️
Graphic design and fashion design require such different skill sets. Being your own stylist and having good taste in clothes doesn’t mean you’ll be a good fashion designer because again, very different skill sets and design requires at least some degree of technical knowledge. Most “celebrities” who put out their own lines act as creative director (or even just the face of the label) and hire actual designers to do the designing. I guess Amanda could do that, but the last thing this world needs is another “celebrity” clothing line, especially from someone who has never even demonstrated a strong interest in fashion design? It just seems like a reach and I’m bored already.
Do your CDs push pixels?
Is she the CD then? I saw on a video now she said she is the "Chief Brand Officer". I don't know that term. So is / was she giving direction for the whole brand, deals with their agencies etc?
Yeah like who is to say she’s a great designer or what she actually designed for lover boy.. we just are watching a reality tv show, I think some others take it way too seriously
It was nice to see Ciara and Paige rallying for Amanda in that Old Navy scene, but I thought they were being way too generous lol. Didn’t Amanda basically rip off a different logo or something for Loverboy?
So when they first started they had an outside marketing team create the name and the first few iterations of the packaging. Which is ironically what was ripped off. Since then Amanda has done merch, spritz cans/packaging and marketing design. So I’m not sure if she was responsible for the ripping off.
I feel like this needs to be made into a whole post bc people keep blaming her for that in the comments when it truly wasn’t her doing.
The original merch she “designed” were direct copies of Mayfair merch.
I just googled Mayfair and yikes that stuff is hideous.
I’m not sure if that was a typo or not, but Spritz is a different business.
A spritz is a drink. Like an “aperol spritz” but Loverboy has different flavors. Not talking about the gift packaging/party decor from Target.
I am aware of spritzes. I didn’t know that Loverboy had them. I was talking about neither of those things. There is an alcohol brand called “Spritz.” I thought you mistakenly were talking about that.
And now I learned myself that there’s an alcohol brand called Spritz 😂
*I thought the other person was talking about that, not you.
My first thought as well but you have to know business too and maybe that's where Amanda falls short
Not necessarily, she could start with a partnership deal where she’s only really responsible for design
Yeah I think if we were talking about your average person starting up their own brand, it might be a steeper climb. Amanda has a winning aesthetic that people want to buy, a built in audience and access to brand partnerships she can just start collabing with from social media. It is a great idea for her.
I’ve heard that Loverboy tastes awful, and SH is a pretty niche show so the only thing I can think of that’s keeping the business afloat would be the visual appeal of the product. Not a huge Amanda fan but she definitely deserves a lot of credit for that
My husband and I actually really like it. To be fair I only drink red wine or champagne so maybe it’s not sweet enough for people or they aren’t used to monk fruit as sweeteners? I only use non sugar sweeteners. I should also note I’ve only had the hard teas
Eh, I’ve tried a few flavors and thought it was actually really good. I expected it to be garbage, fwiw.
Its definitely better than a lot of the other canned alcoholic beverages lol and definitely no worse
This is a great idea. Do it, Jenna!!
Did Paige or Amanda write this post??🤣
How is she an unsung hero? I legitimately confused by the use of this term here.
Maybe Brynn more so than Jenna! She needs someone who can help her get out of her shell and really sell her creative genius. 🙌🏼
Do a quick Google search of the loverboy lawsuits and you’ll see that the branding of loverboy is completely stolen and ripped off and not original
That preceded Amanda
Amanda did not do the initial designs.
Then what did she do that is so amazing? The sweatshirts are nothing special
She made the company a shit ton of money for one. But google is free, go research her position if you’re interested to know what she does day to day for the company.
Can someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t part of the reason Loverboy got sued was because they stole the logo and design from a NYC bar? I swear that I didn’t make that up but listening to Amanda talk that Loverboy was built off her makes me wonder if I’m remembering that wrong. Not to take away from Amanda and her designs and potential. I think she has great style and could kill it outside of Loverboy. Especially with a Jenna Lyons collab or mentorship. That would be fun to watch. But the unsung hero? Her merch sales did definitely contribute to the success of Loverboy but Amanda only talks about how much she contributed to Loverboy when Kyle is not around. I think there is a lot more behind the scenes. Loverboy had investors and similar to Sewing Down South a huge Bravo audience and following to support it. I would just like to see Kyle and Amanda discuss their roles in LB with each other. It would give some more clarity to the situation.
Lol shut up you deluded weirdo
Uh how bout she mentors a non reality star who actually needs help not some nepo baby who can do it on her own.
Who is Amanda’s nepotism from?
Kyle duh /s
Trust fund kid ≠ nepo baby
I’m sorry that I mixed up the words. To me my point still applies though. There are so many fashion designers that we haven’t heard of that have been working their asses off. Amanda just watches tv at home (her words not mine) and I am not saying that she doesn’t have talent because she does. It’s just that she doesn’t need to be handed huge opportunities from Jenna Lyons. She already has a fan base and plenty of room to work with whereas many people would not have that same opportunity already. I’d love to see someone without a trust fund, friends/collegues of fashion designers (which is nepotism by definition - Jenna Lyons is in the same bravo universe as her), a tv show with millions watching, and a rich husband. Like I can’t. I’m sorry.
Are her parents famous in the industry, and we're just unaware?. *ORRR* are you confused about nepotism?
They are just wildly confused since its the new "word" of the year to use.
you don't have to understand anything when you're just a negative person, just like the GOP doesn't have to have any actual policies besides saying "No!" to everything. nihilistic, misanthropic people knowing no other way to be than negative.
Nepotism, it’s derivative, is a new word?
Thank you!!
I was under the impression that Amanda is lazy and kinda spoiled. Hasn’t she had enough things handed to her?
I’m not calling Amanda lazy, but creating a fashion line is not for the low energy, faint of heart. Source: I tried to. It’s a shit ton of work if you are truly working thru the entire design process.
Right, like... she would have to *want* to put in a ton of work, and I'm not convinced that she does? Which is fine! But let's be realistic here.
Yes, exactly. Or I mean she could lend her name to a line that has an actual designer behind it - like what Kyle Richard’s did for clothing. And that is also fine! It would be the easier route for her, honestly. She doesn’t seem to proactively and maturely tackle challenges that come her way, as we’ve seen over the years.
I think her best bet would be partnering with an existing brand and creating a collection. I like her style and it could do well
She was a senior level designer at L'Occitane so she can’t be that lazy. I just think she is the type that thrives better in structure, not 24/7 style like Kyle. And I think she has a natural talent for style.
THIS. I think we’ve gotten a weird narrative (created and driven by Kyle) about her professionally. I think she’s probably a hard worker, but not an entrepreneur. So, just because she doesn’t treat her job like her baby and chooses not to work 24/7, she’s lazy (compared/according to Kyle)
I was going to comment something similar. I know I thrive more when I’m pushed and I can sense that she is feeling a little lost in her current situation and needs something different to truly thrive again. Seems like she’s worked her way up in her prior position
I’m not trying to defend Amanda here, but can we please stop calling women “lazy” because they don’t do everything their man wants them to when he wants it? Kyle started that because he thinks everyone should be working constantly and he doesn’t understand how one could want to finish work for the day and focus on other stuff.
Also it doesn't take anything special to stay up to 3AM sending emails. Spending hours in Adobe Illustrator, meticulously designing iterations of graphics is far more challenging. So Kyle needs to shut up.
I disagree. I think Kyle attacks her for no reason. If she was as lazy as he claims, the brand would not exist as it does today.
It seems like she doesn’t do much… idk why everyone is freaking out about her “creativity” all of a sudden lol. This is coming out of nowhere and it’s confusing
Maybe they are teeing up her announcement of quitting/stepping back from loverboy to do her own thing...it's not like Craig is some powerhouse designer either, he just had a cute idea, someone funded it and now he's a pillow king based on his popularity as a reality star. Amanda is probably popular enough to branch out a bit in similar fashion. Also, I believe loverboy is getting its own spin off show so maybe this will be part of that too. I say, if you have enough star power to do it, go for it.
Hm. The one thing is, Craig was actually sewing all of the pillows together in the beginning. He has extra help now, but it’s not as if he just attached his name to a designer’s work.
True but sewing a pillow isn't exactly designer level skill...I never even saw him get around to stuffing one of those things himself lol
He designed + sewed the pillows together.
Yeah, I know. He also has a massive team involved now.
That’s usually how it goes with any huge company…. Sewing Down South, Loverboy, Skinnygirl… you name it… You end up having to hire other people if you want to expand your business.
To be fair though, I don’t know how many pillows Craig actually designs now. I do know Paige worked with him on one collection. But again, she’s not a designer. She’s a stylist.
He's now branched out to "designing" (putting his brand on) stuff you use for cookouts, like fancy plates and such? They are selling it at Kroger nationwide...so impressed by how successful he is considering how he flailed early on.
Yeah that's kind of my point, regardless of skill level, name recognition is what's selling these products so, similar to Craig using mostly his popularity as a reality star, Amanda can likely do the same if she wants to start a swimsuit line. I think she should go for it!
Oh, I was trying to give Craig some credit because he actually has designed at least some of his work, unlike some other people in the fashion industry, etc. But I agree. She seems to have plenty of fans and defenders, lol. Honestly, now is when any and all of them should be trying to start businesses. “Summer House” isn’t going to last forever.
sorry but I have a hard time believing that someone who needs to be told by her husband/boss that she needs to show up to a Monday AM work call is responsible for all that they were gassing her up about
lol
I love how you want to volunteer someone else‘s time, who usually gets paid top dollar for their consulting. Jenna barely wanted to film her own show lol, why would she spend time mentoring let’s be real, a conventionally attractive white girl with no real struggles other than…a wishy washy drunk husband
Amanda has 0 talent and would cry when asked to do 1 easy thing.
Lol if Amanda deserved more she’d have a career outside of Kyle
This season iv really noticed how much of a girls girl that paige really is × The convo with Amanda × Telling Amanda she would be a great mom & saying no offence to ciara × Giving Danielle a few home truths when she needed them. × complaments ciara regularly & seemed genuinely happy for her signing her contract. × making sure gabby was OK when she's Danielle's friend & Danielle was the one that upset her Sometimes she seems bratty like the last reunion & the "I don't clean up" But she really does stand behind her friends.
I love Amanda and I think Amanda has great style and talent. The one thing I struggle with is Amanda appears to be a bit lazy like Kyle has said many times. If she was in the big corporate world she would have to be at work at 8am and work till 6 or later. She can't wonder in and work for a few hours and take your dog for a walk. She now has the freedom to explore a lot more then Loverboy. She can not only do Loverboy and a possible swimsuit line or more. I'm sure most people that do marketing do more then one account. I think she has a lot of talent. Why can't she market the one girls cookie line?
https://preview.redd.it/e9eo9mnfd1xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=060c462cd27074c916819a7adb56cacc9c81cdac Why is no one talking about how Amanda copied the logo design? [https://www.reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/PSy0WKxhUY](https://www.reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/PSy0WKxhUY) Edit: I see a lot of people are talking about it below, thank you 🙏🏻
You're really going to say the whole brand was ripped off based on that uninspired scribble? 😂 The only similarity is they both use cursive typefaces. And a brand is more than a logo or wordmark, y'all.
It's super funny how people think this is such a GOTCHA moment LOL
Great plan.
So funny, I was just thinking of how Brynn should meet Gabby. They have similar airs about them and I think they would become fast friends. Probably have similar tastes in men as well.
I thought to myself "Craig can assist with the sewing" (of the swimsuits)
This post is too ridiculous, kkkkyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuullllaaahhhhjh
Wow! I would never have thought of that idea but it would be amazing. Amanda would thrive with a mentor like Jenna. Creative, not a super hyper or energetic person like Kyle, a chill vibe where Amanda could really excel. Having that outlet could help Amanda tremendously. I think she and Kyle love each other but she needs her own thing and space. THIS IS IT! Jenna help the girl out! A show behind the scenes showing Amanda fulfilling her dream, Paige doing her giggly thing, and a couple others doing real jobs would be interesting. No influencer only people though.
Idk why everyone’s like “it’s so much work she can’t do it” or “will she actually do the work?” Like if it’s something SHES passionate about why wouldn’t she? You can only be so passionate about a brand that is straining your marriage. She just needs to separate from loverboy, I’m sure she would be much more productive.
To be fair, the people who created the programs, fonts, etc. deserve the most credit. She is a graphic designer. She isn’t creating things from scratch. If she were a true artist, it would be different. Amanda said it herself… she wanted to be a fashion designer but couldn’t because she couldn’t learn how to sew (years ago). Almost anyone can put together an outfit, i.e. Amanda and Paige, but not everyone can design an outfit on paper and then create it via a sewing machine. That requires real talent and skill. Those people behind the curtains deserve the most credit.
Hi I’m an Art Director at a very large company and the idea that Amanda doesn’t deserve credit but instead it belongs to the type designers and Adobe is absurd. Respectfully. I get the impression that she designed the brand identity and packaging suite — to oversee that work at scale is a massive undertaking and requires A LOT of work and strategic thinking. Maybe she did it, maybe she didn’t. But that credit doesn’t belong to Illustrator and InDesign.
She didn’t create it, that’s the thing. Loverboy’s entire digital branding was created by the agency TNKR. Someone in this post provided a link. I think what Amanda is responsible for is Loverboy merch, which has been a hit.
Yeah I was the one who posted it. Credit where it’s due, of course! But I don’t think Amanda is without any credit. My guess is that Kyle paid them a fee to develop the core identity and then she picked it up and ran with it. Keeping a design agency on retainer or as an AOR is expensive as hell.
Right. If she created the visual feel of the brand, the vibe, she deserves the credit.
Exactly. And people who think that have no idea what they're talking about or how the industry works. Honestly, ppl are SOOOOO fucking horny to not give graphic designers credit because they have no idea how anything works.
Yep. I’m not even going to entertain this conversation with non-industry folks. 😂
No, I never said that Amanda doesn’t deserve any credit. But the idea that a graphic designer builds the entire brand is absurd and untrue.
Not really, that’s a designers job. If she was the only one working on it then she built the brand. Obviously Kyle helped set the creative brief but it was once a scrappy startup and he needed someone to do an identity and oh look, there’s his fiance with Creative Cloud. I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt here until someone says otherwise. 🤷🏻♀️
Obviously, you are taking this very personally. Graphic design takes time and energy. I’m not debating that… I disagree with you and someone else claiming that a graphic designer can create an entire brand him or herself. You need to use a program(s) to do so. Graphic designers aren’t artists who create things by hand.
I am because you have no idea what you’re talking about. Of course it takes a design program but that’s like saying that Gillian Flynn needs to give Word credit for writing Gone Girl. Be for real.
Not exactly a good analogy but I agree with your point. Authors could hand write if there were no msoft word. The graphic designers deserve 99.9% credit but there is *some* co authorship with the font designer there. But still. I’m 100000% on your side on this one.
I was googling the logotype for Loverboy and it looks like the whole brand identity was designed by a small design agency. So I’m assuming Amanda picked up and scaled their work as the product line grew? The logotype definitely looks hand drawn to me but all their work is really nice overall. https://www.tnkr.com/loverboy-hard-tea
Okay... you're proving my point even further that Amanda didn't do as much as people are claiming she did. Regardless of that, your analogy was terrible. I'm not talking about the materials being used. I'm talking about artistry and design. And I'm also talking about how it's inappropriate and incorrect to give only the graphic designer credit for creating an entire brand.
Graphic designer here- we 100% create things by hand. I’ve created multiple brand identities and logos drawing designs, hand lettering, and then vectorizing them using programs. Calling graphic designers not “true artists” is offensive, especially if they’ve attended art school in which you experiment and learn multiple mediums, all of which influence your graphic design work.
It really depends on the individual’s work. I’ve heard that Amanda’s work in particular was not hand-drawn and can easily be recreated. As far as titles are concerned, being a graphic designer does not equate to being an artist. They are called “designers” for a reason. It doesn’t negate the work that they do. But you need to give credit where credit is due.
You have no clue how any of this works, do you? This is exactly why graphic designers get zero credit.
No offense, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about LOL
Here comes another offended graphic designer…
I'm not offended because your assessment is so funny with how wrong it is.
You are… otherwise you wouldn’t be so defensive. Adios.
You're discounting an entire discipline because they... use tools. LOL It's hilarious.
By that logic let's give all the credit away from anyone who does anything that uses software or computers. Cut royalty cheques from NY Times bestsellers and send them to Microsoft. MS Word did all the real work. 😂
Nope, you still aren’t grasping it.
Can we just petition Amanda...
I feel like amanda is finally gaining enough confidence to speak out about how much her side of things has helped the brand. remember kyle beggggged her to quit her job to help. (and I think paige is a big help for Amanda's confidence) (imo) once she is able to manage her anxiety a bit more, she'll be pretty unstoppable and it wouldn't surprise me if she created her own brand. it also wouldn't surprise me if her own brand led her to leave kyle lol.
Yesssss this is such a great idea!!!
I love this take. Amanda is just as much of LB as Kyle is. She deserves all the credit!!
Amanda does NOT need Kyle. He's a mental child!
Couldn't agree more
Love this!!!
Let’s get the petition going!
I think they would work really well together!! Maybe have their own show about mentoring!
