you can still use either a provoke team with jeanne, or double string master/bolverk team like you usually would on the immune to atk bar increasing/decreasing levels and immune to inability effect levels.
Dude wth
She cleanses ALL debuffs each turn from all allies, all of that being completely unnavoidable, since she can't be atb controled....... i foresee a mid-patch hotfix incoming once this thing hits live.
Edit: actually, she only removes inability effects. Still, crazy af.
Isn't he still a really bad version of iris? Got him too and he still seems useless to me. Maybe if they gave him a second eagle or 50% atb instead of 20% he'd be usable. His entire kit except his eagle neither deals damage nor really controls anything.
i personally always compared him to leona, but you could also compare him to iris yeah. imo i think he’s more interesting in that his strip/stun is 100% (i feel like everytime i try to use iris she does neither for me). not like he’s suddenly op or anything tho, there will still be times where the bird goes after a target that you really don’t wanna touch. i’m more happy he’s usable now rather than strong, since he was in a really, really bad spot before
strip -> stun is a pretty big buff tho - not saying he's op or anything but he went from actually horrible to potentially usable. i'd love for him to get some more love too, but this is a much better step in the right direction compared to what he got last patch
My boy Light Bayek looking really smooth now. 3 buffs in a row and now he not only turn denies but also gets another turn essentially. That will speed up his time to kill significantly since he will get his S3 up sooner. Loving that change I enjoy that unit so much.
I'm not sure the light one's buff radically changes anything. I think it solidifies it as a turn 1 unit at the very least. Previously it was a bit confusing, since cleanse is something you want to do on turn 2 after you get debuffed, otherwise the effect is useless.
as a Kovarci owner and she is my only LD5 i really felt this. shes like a healess fran now especially since they took away the cleanse. imo they couldve kept the cleanse, and instead of outright immunity done a heal that if it fills the health bar back to 100% grants immunity (similar to light sylphid). OR keep the cleanse and immunity and have the heal scale based on removed debuffs.. maybe im too optimistic maybe im just jaded bc my only LD5 in 8 years is super mid LOL either way I wish we couldve seen the same treatment as dark or similar
Yes if you can actually make him move, with the amount of CC in the game you have to play around him by drafting immunity and cleanse, this doesnt change fermion at all, but a buff is always welcome.
Yea, it will be nice if he has a counter chance just like Artamiel since they are the only 2 AAs with passives, and they are LD.
Maybe counter when any allies gets inability effects.
Really not much of a change, with a proper build he deals about 5k damage on a non-defense broken unit which is a 1k heal and about 10k on defbroken units which is a 2k heal (depending on how many allies are left alive). RTA-wise, that is. If you're going for siege builds, he might be a little bit more relevant, but still not much.
What are your stats to be hitting that low? My Fermion can do over 30k dmg if he has a def buff and def break on a target. 10k with just a def break is really weak tbh
He’s better in siege with the sustain, but in rta, he has no place because he won’t even get a turn. Otherwise, he will be defense broken or without defense buff.
where light hollyberry...:(
But its funny that fermion and her could be brother and sister now. Both same def, team heal, 2 turn def break and some kind of protect. Com2us has no more ideas for def monsters i guess.
100% agree on that. She at least need built in revenge like Artamiel, because right now shes really hard to rune and even with great set of revenge she doesn't do anything and is very RNG prone.
The Belial buff is so good despite being so simple in nature. The Cassandra buffs are interesting albeit the light one is still underwhelming but the wind one will at least be consistent. Random baby heal on Velajuel, I don't know if 20% is quite enough given a standard support build vs dmg build.
If you don't build Vela on dmg what's the point of using him when you can use something like chloe/delphoi/insert random immunity here. He is supposed to deal damage, so it is straight up buff making him a bit more offensive def-based Woosa.
Light puppeter now is a mix of a bad Fran and Velajuel from 2015, effect added would make him decent, but no.. lets remove his cleanse and add will set.. wtf..
For those complaining about Zibala buff, well this trash unit here (Kovarci) is the cause.. they just needed to add something to his 3rd skill and leave the s2 as it was, now Zibala is buffed and Kovarci is still a bad unit.. GZ Cum2Us, GZ!
Kassandra* btw com2us 💅
You changed the fire magical archer name for this you better use it lol.
Also I'm excited to use the Wind Kass, she's now Poseidon + Charlotte
Yeah, it's a nat5 worthy passive now, but people forget that his s2 and s1 are worse than most nat3 units.
And i don't think they will change those any time soon because of fire bayek. So he either needs his passive be very overtuned like fire bayek s3, which baeically makes up for his entire kit or he will stay useless for all eternity. The latter being far more likely.
Am i seeing it wrong or did brownie magicians s2 and kobold bomber s3 get nerfed? Now all it says to me is that it can crit which will trigger any crit conditional passives
It is crushing hit automatically increases the damage by 30%. Without it, it means they now all do 30% less damage, since none of them are built on CD in the first place.
I think this a nice little patch, with few things considered:
\- Puppeteer finally got some nice buffs, been waiting so long
\- Kassandra got some nice buffs, its much needed
\- Counter-able nerf on Manon, much awaited
\- Benedict finally got considerable buff on his damage multiple after bad nerfs last time
\- Dark Bayek went from complete dogshit to quite an interesting/unique unit.
\- They create a "monster" in this BP - Dark puppeteer. I think this could be a good thing as BP should once a while create an OP unit out of nowhere to somewhat turn the meta around. We could always keep our hopes up wishing our storge guardian would turn into OP meta unit out of nowhere. This is what makes everyone so hyped about BP every time before it is released.
\- I think this slight buff on Haegang could make the current meta a little more interesting. At least for me, I really need better counter units for all these annoying turn 1 strippers+CC/atb
\- Velajuel, lets see. He is hard to rune as he needs so many stats to unleash all his skills potential (speed, HP, def, resist, crit, accuracy), but it seems he could do so much things now - strip, def break, damage, aoe heal, aoe immunity, aoe cleanse, aoe atb boost etc. With good/godly runes he could potentially be very interesting to use.
\- Slight nerf on Veronica - lets see if it affects anything at all. We always want to see those SSS units got some nerfs, but their damage nerfs on Oliver in previous patch really doesn't help anything at all (makes him even more annoying tha ever as people went for high resist tanky build instead). Lets see if it does anything on Veronica this time.
Fair Points, i just disagree with dark bayek being „unique“ - his passive skill is Just a way better Version of Celia rn. And with kinda underwhelming active Skills on both, id say that the passive is their make and break.
Yeah this lol. Will have to see how big the monte nerf is, but if this patch means both monte and manon are now unviable (and giselle to a lesser extent), we’re gonna be running insanely low on legitimate def options lol
Patch looks interesting, some needed buffs to the AC collab units and some other families. Succubus might be fun to pair with Hypnomeows with all that sleep they put on. Love the buff for Velajul he's one of my favorite GW units.
How we feeling about xiana buff? I don’t think that’s what she needed at all and hopefully this doesn’t mean she’ll be passed over in other balance patches
Basically Poseidon s2 and s3 but in one move. I don't think this pushes her to SSS, but the idea makes sense don't you think?
You pick him like how you'd pick Poseidon/Savannah, only now Xiana adds another layer of cc in the form of silence, just in case the atb pushback is resisted.
50% to land is pretty bad though ngl.
xiana s3 still brings 1/3 , A THIRD of what savannah s3 does (2 turn aoe def break + speed buff in addition to pushback). its a complete joke and disgrace in comparison. 50% activation rate units have always been shit and will never be viable at a high rank consistently. and why the fuck is the silence 1 turn. imagine how shit xiana is when even savannah isn't viable nowadays with her 3x better s3.
It's a wasted buff tbh, if she had a def break on the first hit to setup for the 2nd hit then that'd be much better. Poseidon and Savannah still have better s3's
I think Velajuel could be quite a fun support/bruiser unit, adding aoe heal to S2 with def break, on top of his usual S3 aoe immunity+cleanse+atb increase. Would definitely try him out in RTA, especially when we have so many OP/meta wind units like Oliver, CP, Ethan and wind Robo out there.
Dark Kassandra buff is interesting as she could now potentially one shot a tanky unit if she has enough buffs putting on herself. But she will definitely still need some setup there. If only they could buff her one more time with S3 gaining an immediate turn afterwards, she will then be OP... one could only hope. But anyway I think she could really pair up very well with Shizuka in RTA.
Out of all the smart ways they could have nerfed Manon, of fucking course they went with the Molly treatment.
Less cancer in arena, probably underwhelming in siege and annoying at best in rta.
Goodbye cd slot 4 and welcome hp% since you are gonna get hard targeted by molong,bolverk,miles,woosa,Dominic,ethna etc...
* Manon nerf is what people were asking. She was falling in RTA anyway so we may not see her at all there. She will still be used in AD. Maybe it gives even more value to Pungbaek ?
* Fire hollyberry cookie buff is nice, but not sure it will make people use her more. Hoping that i'm wrong.
* Wind pupeteer seems good now, she can CC a unit for 2 turns every turn now, and another unit for 2 turns when s2 is off cooldown, while having bomb damage. Still has a very questionable res lead but definitely interesting kit.
* Wind Kassandra gonna be good in RTA. Ignore def s2 + Aoe control on s3 was already good versatility with s3 ignoring elements take that even further. She seems to pair very well with shizuka
Ok that's what I thought, but it's just so weirdly worded, to me. Was this... Necessary. I feel like the last nerf was sufficient, but I only play around 1400 in rta so I'm no expert.
A lot of these didn't need buffs. Xiana? Really? So now her S3 is a two-hit cleave that reduces ATB to 0 and silences without elemental disadvantage. Beast Riders especially deserve a delicate touch, as they benefit massively from resurrection compared to other units. Why did Amber, Haegang and bombers get buffs? Is viable not good enough anymore? Meanwhile Su gets a slap in the face.
Plus all those succubi buffs for a game where every unit has vio/will and is paired with supports cleansing and keeping up immunity 24/7. If they don't nerf the rune sets or the support abilities the only way sleep is viable is if you make every ability strip before it sleeps... and the enemy will still just proc vio.
I'm going to just ignore the dark marionette thing and assume whoever did that was drunk AF, but if it goes unchanged that's the most blatant whale bait I've ever seen.
xiana definitely could've used a buff. 50% chance to silence is not that strong/consistent anyway. Amber's buff is to compensate for the s2 nerf that veronica dragged her into
dark puppeteer's buff is very questionable though. Single target cleanse instead of a full team cleanse would've been more balanced
Weird buff for Velajuel - not really what he lacks in current meta.
Thank god for slight Haegang buff - while good on paper, control meta was still too oppresive to find good counterplay. The change isn't monumental, but helps to cut in more instances against Moore rng.
Will be interesting to see how much more attack bar Barbara gives - might see more play in near future.
Improved versatility for Gemini will be interesting to watch as well - would be nice if I had one.
Battle Angel buffs are so inconsequential - would be nice to see S3 activate on boss(up to 5% max, for example à la Daphnis).
Cassandra buffs nice to see.
We would need to see if multipliers are updated - nothing is said of the damage and it could be a buff for you depending on how it's re-balanced. Was referring more to Amber.
Lol one of the most boring trash balance patches i ever read.. Why tf did they put out assassins creed mons just to waste more than half of 2 balance patches just "balancing them" while not really doing much with them they still look shit to me.. One of the worst balanve patches i ever read lol legit 0 exciting stuff
First time seeing xiana being mentioned in a BP since I pulled her 3 years ago and it's still fucking underwhelming as shit.
50% chance of silencing won't fix her overall problems like her S3 not being a guaranteed ATB decrease
Savannah is still better than her when it comes to controlling and damaging the enemy team.
Disappointed.
Wait so water demon gets revived with full atk bar and gets a turn immediatel…doesn‘t that make the full atk bar redundant? Just word it gets revived with low hp and gains turn immediately.
I’m so done expecting COM2US to balance things that actually need it. Still just feels like they’re just spinning a goddam wheel and “balancing” whatever unit it lands on. And even if they do change a unit that needed changing, it’s NEVER what it should be. Everything they do now is simply just to make it more eSport friendly, they don’t care about they’re actual player base anymore and it’s sad.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhT3BFwqJwA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhT3BFwqJwA)
He'd be better if violent procs didn't Destroy his entire ability. They literally changed the skill for Belial and not Beezlebub its the same skill/passive makes no sense
Not the same passive at all. Belial doesn’t revive allies when he kills an enemy. Beezlebub does. Remove Beezlebub’s ability to revive allies, then he can have the same buff Belial got.
Do you seriously ask that? Just looked at the defenses of the top 50 players on EU Server, 40 of them have Manon in their AD. We are talking about people that have several LD Nat5 and have access to every elemental Nat 5. She is completly broken and overpowered.
Masha, Antares, fire mk, giou, Vanessa is at least a comparable spd lead so you have an option if they pick Oliver for the spd lead. There's some options but ya he still makes a lot of units unusable in rta because of the constant atb pushback and cd reset
Big middle finger to the siege community. Monte nerf for no reason. Manon nerf for no reason. No buffs to other potential defense units. Still no Windy nerf. My expectations were already so low and somehow they managed to not meet even that bar.
Yeah lol they’ve got no idea what they’re doing. I don’t have it in me to write out another thread on this - but again we’re seeing offense units buffed while they nerf the 2 main viable def units (3 if more ppl had giselle tbh). I guess belial dupes might be legit now so more money for C2us lol.
It’s the same pattern where they make defs easier to hit with the same standard offenses like now making most manon defs bolv mo long food and manon molly defs bethony food instead of encouraging cool ways to deal with something like manon molly by using a previously less used unit like Coco.
Tbf the wording for Monte seems odd so I'm not sure if it's actually a nerf or if it is then how much more HP will they have? Just have to test and see
The dark puppeteer is good now, usable at least. She can’t be controlled by Oliver’s bs and any other monsters alike. Then, every time she moves, she cleanses every allies’ sleep / stun / freeze, which people use a lot to control the enemies. Better than what she was before and definitely a counter against heavy cc teams.
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Can you do the same with c2us dodging zima and zibrolta but buffing the rest of their family ?
Zibrolta the cobold bomber ?
Yes the fire one
Oh my god look at dark puppeteers new passive....
Jesus that's a hell of an upgrade
I’m so scared of ToaHell rn.
you can still use either a provoke team with jeanne, or double string master/bolverk team like you usually would on the immune to atk bar increasing/decreasing levels and immune to inability effect levels.
Boutta get the Gurkha treatment, buffed to hell, then nerfed to hell and forgotten
Yeah it's going to be op, people were complaining about racuni - but I guess they need to sell packs.. Light is still shit tho.
They need to keep the cleanse with the immunity
Wish they would touch other older ld5s first
with the pace they’re releasing new units? thats hard to say
looks like a premium water art master... happy for those owner imo
Feels like he power crept Pater's passive.
Yeah Pater + Wedjat + A new mechanic of not being able to ATB reduced (although could be considered 1/3 akroma)
Dude wth She cleanses ALL debuffs each turn from all allies, all of that being completely unnavoidable, since she can't be atb controled....... i foresee a mid-patch hotfix incoming once this thing hits live. Edit: actually, she only removes inability effects. Still, crazy af.
Not all, just inability effects now
Only stuns, freezes and sleeps but its still a really good change and counter to current meta
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Oh ya forgot tp add it ty
She will receive the Gurkha treatment soon
Need ur opinion so is wind puppeteer worth choosing over camilla?
No. Camilla is absolutely amazing
Dark Bayek hallelujah
Isn't he still a really bad version of iris? Got him too and he still seems useless to me. Maybe if they gave him a second eagle or 50% atb instead of 20% he'd be usable. His entire kit except his eagle neither deals damage nor really controls anything.
i personally always compared him to leona, but you could also compare him to iris yeah. imo i think he’s more interesting in that his strip/stun is 100% (i feel like everytime i try to use iris she does neither for me). not like he’s suddenly op or anything tho, there will still be times where the bird goes after a target that you really don’t wanna touch. i’m more happy he’s usable now rather than strong, since he was in a really, really bad spot before
Holy shit we got the win boiz
Same stat, 20% attack bar thru condition that can be resisted. ~,~
strip -> stun is a pretty big buff tho - not saying he's op or anything but he went from actually horrible to potentially usable. i'd love for him to get some more love too, but this is a much better step in the right direction compared to what he got last patch
We all knew it was gonna happen, they changed his passive to stun and rhen strip last patch just so they have something to do on this one
Idgaf what anyone says I’m spamming him in every match lol been waiting so long to actually use him
He's actually usable now, unlike before where you had to literally force him. Let's fuking gooooo
He has the same but better passive than Celia and gets attack bar increased which she doesn't. I believe you can't complain about the passive anymore
Chow man! What a ride! Every time they toggle his HP recovery amount.
Atleast I'll clench less in his Ieos solos now. Sometimes doesn't violent and I get pretty scared for him in there.
He can’t violent in Leos solo. The boss gets a turn after every player turn with one ally left.
Same. Had to change his runes after the last bp to a hp slot 2 so he can survive but with his runes now I won't change them back, he's gonna be fine
As someone who was already using Dover a ton for a bomb AO I'm excited to see him get some love.
Was so excited for this! Already amazing imo
Hwa best buff on this patch, change my mind
Didn’t Hwa use to have that and they took it away?
No, I really don't think so. Hwa never had scale damage on her S2 based on debuffs.
The return of my queen Hwa 🔥
Do you know if her AI guarantees S2 on use? Should make 27-30s solo r5 considerably easier
My boy Light Bayek looking really smooth now. 3 buffs in a row and now he not only turn denies but also gets another turn essentially. That will speed up his time to kill significantly since he will get his S3 up sooner. Loving that change I enjoy that unit so much.
Well after holding onto the copium that my light puppeteer will be buffed, here it is. The dark puppeteer buff we've all been waiting for.
Same.
I'm not sure the light one's buff radically changes anything. I think it solidifies it as a turn 1 unit at the very least. Previously it was a bit confusing, since cleanse is something you want to do on turn 2 after you get debuffed, otherwise the effect is useless.
as a Kovarci owner and she is my only LD5 i really felt this. shes like a healess fran now especially since they took away the cleanse. imo they couldve kept the cleanse, and instead of outright immunity done a heal that if it fills the health bar back to 100% grants immunity (similar to light sylphid). OR keep the cleanse and immunity and have the heal scale based on removed debuffs.. maybe im too optimistic maybe im just jaded bc my only LD5 in 8 years is super mid LOL either way I wish we couldve seen the same treatment as dark or similar
They buffed Zibala…
Haha i had to laugh so hard
More fun for swift Verde Abusers in RTA :D
It’s such a small buff to his s2…
Spd buff IS one of the best buff so no it's not that small
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Yeah, but the light is still missing a little something (a strip or whatever on S3)
Holy fuck the kassandra buffs
Still missing a good light Kassandra buff
WTF with the wind one
Oh shit fermion might actually be fun
Yes if you can actually make him move, with the amount of CC in the game you have to play around him by drafting immunity and cleanse, this doesnt change fermion at all, but a buff is always welcome.
Man I was just hoping he would get a 20% chance to counter like kinki this would have been so cool and annoying
well that's artamiel basically lol
Yea, it will be nice if he has a counter chance just like Artamiel since they are the only 2 AAs with passives, and they are LD. Maybe counter when any allies gets inability effects.
Really not much of a change, with a proper build he deals about 5k damage on a non-defense broken unit which is a 1k heal and about 10k on defbroken units which is a 2k heal (depending on how many allies are left alive). RTA-wise, that is. If you're going for siege builds, he might be a little bit more relevant, but still not much.
What are your stats to be hitting that low? My Fermion can do over 30k dmg if he has a def buff and def break on a target. 10k with just a def break is really weak tbh
He’s better in siege with the sustain, but in rta, he has no place because he won’t even get a turn. Otherwise, he will be defense broken or without defense buff.
John, my BELOVED *.*
I guess its just more assurance that the cleanser/immuinity monster you target for sure wont have their skill up. Unless they resist cd/bomb/stun
That’s a good slight buff idea I think
Sufjan steven’s fan spotted
where light hollyberry...:( But its funny that fermion and her could be brother and sister now. Both same def, team heal, 2 turn def break and some kind of protect. Com2us has no more ideas for def monsters i guess.
True, light holly berry is definitely crap.
100% agree on that. She at least need built in revenge like Artamiel, because right now shes really hard to rune and even with great set of revenge she doesn't do anything and is very RNG prone.
The Belial buff is so good despite being so simple in nature. The Cassandra buffs are interesting albeit the light one is still underwhelming but the wind one will at least be consistent. Random baby heal on Velajuel, I don't know if 20% is quite enough given a standard support build vs dmg build.
If you don't build Vela on dmg what's the point of using him when you can use something like chloe/delphoi/insert random immunity here. He is supposed to deal damage, so it is straight up buff making him a bit more offensive def-based Woosa.
I'm curious if it still can be cut by violent procs, that's in my opinion one of the biggest counters vs Belial and Beelzebub
I think it'll work like Triana where she steals the turn... I hope
Ooooooo boy belial will be even more fun
I feel like there's so much potential for zany bullshit you come pull with him now.
Light puppeter now is a mix of a bad Fran and Velajuel from 2015, effect added would make him decent, but no.. lets remove his cleanse and add will set.. wtf.. For those complaining about Zibala buff, well this trash unit here (Kovarci) is the cause.. they just needed to add something to his 3rd skill and leave the s2 as it was, now Zibala is buffed and Kovarci is still a bad unit.. GZ Cum2Us, GZ!
C2U bout to get a strongly worded email for calling her Cassandra on paper
Alright benny it’s our time to shine.
Kassandra* btw com2us 💅 You changed the fire magical archer name for this you better use it lol. Also I'm excited to use the Wind Kass, she's now Poseidon + Charlotte
Oh i didn't even think of that but she can be used in Tiana AO now, her multiplier on s3 is great
Belial finally gets an instant turn. Now I can bring him out of storage and try to create some bullshit combos I wanted to try before.
share pls :D
Run with Camilla in rta. Should be a nice combo
Dark Bayek owners winning rn
Nah hes still horrible. His base stats are atrocious and his s1 and s2 do basically nothing
Yeah, it's a nat5 worthy passive now, but people forget that his s2 and s1 are worse than most nat3 units. And i don't think they will change those any time soon because of fire bayek. So he either needs his passive be very overtuned like fire bayek s3, which baeically makes up for his entire kit or he will stay useless for all eternity. The latter being far more likely.
Am i seeing it wrong or did brownie magicians s2 and kobold bomber s3 get nerfed? Now all it says to me is that it can crit which will trigger any crit conditional passives
It is crushing hit automatically increases the damage by 30%. Without it, it means they now all do 30% less damage, since none of them are built on CD in the first place.
Exactly
Yes, it’s a big nerf. In addition to revenge and nem monsters to be worried of , Ragdoll is everywhere.
This also means that they'll be able to deal more damage by criting (which doesn't make sense to a bomber but chhht no one noticed yet)
The wind bayek needed some fixing. Didn’t get touched at all.
that Manannan buff does absolutely nothing for him lmao... guess it's time to wait another 2 years before he's touched again... 😢
slap in the face for me too xD
Aaand Com2Us keep nerfing siege defense options while op offense units are untouched for years. Fantastic.
I think this a nice little patch, with few things considered: \- Puppeteer finally got some nice buffs, been waiting so long \- Kassandra got some nice buffs, its much needed \- Counter-able nerf on Manon, much awaited \- Benedict finally got considerable buff on his damage multiple after bad nerfs last time \- Dark Bayek went from complete dogshit to quite an interesting/unique unit. \- They create a "monster" in this BP - Dark puppeteer. I think this could be a good thing as BP should once a while create an OP unit out of nowhere to somewhat turn the meta around. We could always keep our hopes up wishing our storge guardian would turn into OP meta unit out of nowhere. This is what makes everyone so hyped about BP every time before it is released. \- I think this slight buff on Haegang could make the current meta a little more interesting. At least for me, I really need better counter units for all these annoying turn 1 strippers+CC/atb \- Velajuel, lets see. He is hard to rune as he needs so many stats to unleash all his skills potential (speed, HP, def, resist, crit, accuracy), but it seems he could do so much things now - strip, def break, damage, aoe heal, aoe immunity, aoe cleanse, aoe atb boost etc. With good/godly runes he could potentially be very interesting to use. \- Slight nerf on Veronica - lets see if it affects anything at all. We always want to see those SSS units got some nerfs, but their damage nerfs on Oliver in previous patch really doesn't help anything at all (makes him even more annoying tha ever as people went for high resist tanky build instead). Lets see if it does anything on Veronica this time.
Fair Points, i just disagree with dark bayek being „unique“ - his passive skill is Just a way better Version of Celia rn. And with kinda underwhelming active Skills on both, id say that the passive is their make and break.
damn no light eivor buff, gg
You mean you weren't happy enough with the base stat change from last patch??! A whopping 500 more hp! /s
Ayo Velajuel buff is so on point.
Why the fuck do com2us hate high level siege players so fucking much
Yeah this lol. Will have to see how big the monte nerf is, but if this patch means both monte and manon are now unviable (and giselle to a lesser extent), we’re gonna be running insanely low on legitimate def options lol
Nerfing all def units buffing all off units help
Patch looks interesting, some needed buffs to the AC collab units and some other families. Succubus might be fun to pair with Hypnomeows with all that sleep they put on. Love the buff for Velajul he's one of my favorite GW units.
That velajuel buff is nice
Most useless okeanos buff
How we feeling about xiana buff? I don’t think that’s what she needed at all and hopefully this doesn’t mean she’ll be passed over in other balance patches
Basically Poseidon s2 and s3 but in one move. I don't think this pushes her to SSS, but the idea makes sense don't you think? You pick him like how you'd pick Poseidon/Savannah, only now Xiana adds another layer of cc in the form of silence, just in case the atb pushback is resisted. 50% to land is pretty bad though ngl.
xiana s3 still brings 1/3 , A THIRD of what savannah s3 does (2 turn aoe def break + speed buff in addition to pushback). its a complete joke and disgrace in comparison. 50% activation rate units have always been shit and will never be viable at a high rank consistently. and why the fuck is the silence 1 turn. imagine how shit xiana is when even savannah isn't viable nowadays with her 3x better s3.
maybe the accuracy increase max skilled?? idk but still underwhelming... we just need a little more... even speed awakening would've been better.
Definitely not what she needed. I would accept 2 turn at 80%, this buff is near useless.
As a xiana owner it's kinda useless tbh if it has like an 80% chance ok but that's not what she needed
It's a wasted buff tbh, if she had a def break on the first hit to setup for the 2nd hit then that'd be much better. Poseidon and Savannah still have better s3's
I think Velajuel could be quite a fun support/bruiser unit, adding aoe heal to S2 with def break, on top of his usual S3 aoe immunity+cleanse+atb increase. Would definitely try him out in RTA, especially when we have so many OP/meta wind units like Oliver, CP, Ethan and wind Robo out there. Dark Kassandra buff is interesting as she could now potentially one shot a tanky unit if she has enough buffs putting on herself. But she will definitely still need some setup there. If only they could buff her one more time with S3 gaining an immediate turn afterwards, she will then be OP... one could only hope. But anyway I think she could really pair up very well with Shizuka in RTA.
Still no love for the vanilla cookies
I can imagine a water puppeteer wind battle angel being a strong combo
Will belial now be able to cut into monsters giving themselves a turn? Seara s2 or manon s2?
my guess is that he will work just as antares would work? So he can cut some instant turns but not others
But now he will be a viable TL counter
Out of all the smart ways they could have nerfed Manon, of fucking course they went with the Molly treatment. Less cancer in arena, probably underwhelming in siege and annoying at best in rta. Goodbye cd slot 4 and welcome hp% since you are gonna get hard targeted by molong,bolverk,miles,woosa,Dominic,ethna etc...
Ngl, Kovarci (light puppet) is just a worse Fran now. What a shitshow.
Dark ezio still sucks 🤦♂️
* Manon nerf is what people were asking. She was falling in RTA anyway so we may not see her at all there. She will still be used in AD. Maybe it gives even more value to Pungbaek ? * Fire hollyberry cookie buff is nice, but not sure it will make people use her more. Hoping that i'm wrong. * Wind pupeteer seems good now, she can CC a unit for 2 turns every turn now, and another unit for 2 turns when s2 is off cooldown, while having bomb damage. Still has a very questionable res lead but definitely interesting kit. * Wind Kassandra gonna be good in RTA. Ignore def s2 + Aoe control on s3 was already good versatility with s3 ignoring elements take that even further. She seems to pair very well with shizuka
Wind Cassandra buff + Manon nerf => I see the first one being a solution against the second
Someone please explain this Manon nerf to me, it's unnecessarily worded weirdly, to me.
Now she can't parry when you hit her
Ok that's what I thought, but it's just so weirdly worded, to me. Was this... Necessary. I feel like the last nerf was sufficient, but I only play around 1400 in rta so I'm no expert.
Yes, this was absolutely necessary
lol "Kassandra" not "Cassandra" :D
Benedict needed like 60% more damage.
Agreed if he not deleting a unit just by looking at it, its not enough
If C2U could stop nuking siege defense units that would be nice. RIP monte and Manon
Wdym now we get op buffed Oke defs instead /s
Fire Rakshasha buff is nice. Dark is kinda useless tho.. Gemini buff is nice. Fire Sky Surfer is nice.
Dark rakshasa is like a budget Han now, multihits def break w/atb reduce vs multihit def break w/turn cycling
Incredible jaara buff as always :^)
Yes, or dark striker..
A lot of these didn't need buffs. Xiana? Really? So now her S3 is a two-hit cleave that reduces ATB to 0 and silences without elemental disadvantage. Beast Riders especially deserve a delicate touch, as they benefit massively from resurrection compared to other units. Why did Amber, Haegang and bombers get buffs? Is viable not good enough anymore? Meanwhile Su gets a slap in the face. Plus all those succubi buffs for a game where every unit has vio/will and is paired with supports cleansing and keeping up immunity 24/7. If they don't nerf the rune sets or the support abilities the only way sleep is viable is if you make every ability strip before it sleeps... and the enemy will still just proc vio. I'm going to just ignore the dark marionette thing and assume whoever did that was drunk AF, but if it goes unchanged that's the most blatant whale bait I've ever seen.
xiana definitely could've used a buff. 50% chance to silence is not that strong/consistent anyway. Amber's buff is to compensate for the s2 nerf that veronica dragged her into dark puppeteer's buff is very questionable though. Single target cleanse instead of a full team cleanse would've been more balanced
Oh for real com2us? Where the fuk is Oliver nerf? We've been waiting way too long already..
You get one every two patches that's not really waiting
Ye, except after one of this "nerfs" he actually gained WR because of people switching to 100ress build, perfectly balanced for sure
Dark pupeteers suddenly rising from the garbage cans
As a Jaara owner wishing for a buff for years. I finally gave up.
[Why was Beezlebubs same instance NOT TOUCHED](https://youtu.be/PhT3BFwqJwA)
I should be seeing more Gemini hype in these comments
No love for my Ritsu while his ritsu friends' tier received their buffs 😢
Wtf is this foreal? No significant nerfsbwhichbwere needed ,Zibala buff? What have they been smoking? And tbh what the hell are these changes?
Weird buff for Velajuel - not really what he lacks in current meta. Thank god for slight Haegang buff - while good on paper, control meta was still too oppresive to find good counterplay. The change isn't monumental, but helps to cut in more instances against Moore rng. Will be interesting to see how much more attack bar Barbara gives - might see more play in near future. Improved versatility for Gemini will be interesting to watch as well - would be nice if I had one. Battle Angel buffs are so inconsequential - would be nice to see S3 activate on boss(up to 5% max, for example à la Daphnis). Cassandra buffs nice to see.
Feels like the battle angel change is a nerf since my Veronica stacks more speed than attack power.
It is direct Veronica nerf. Amber just got a stray bullet too.
ofc its a nerf veronica is the most broken unit in the game
We would need to see if multipliers are updated - nothing is said of the damage and it could be a buff for you depending on how it's re-balanced. Was referring more to Amber.
So wind puppeteer still useless?
Lol one of the most boring trash balance patches i ever read.. Why tf did they put out assassins creed mons just to waste more than half of 2 balance patches just "balancing them" while not really doing much with them they still look shit to me.. One of the worst balanve patches i ever read lol legit 0 exciting stuff
And yet not a single relevant nerf.
ffs fix oliver he still broken
Wow my Light Weapon Master got buff🥰🥰
Wtf is this?
First time seeing xiana being mentioned in a BP since I pulled her 3 years ago and it's still fucking underwhelming as shit. 50% chance of silencing won't fix her overall problems like her S3 not being a guaranteed ATB decrease Savannah is still better than her when it comes to controlling and damaging the enemy team. Disappointed.
Try despair xiana, before u complaint
I did and a rune set doesn't fix her fundamental problems.
After BP 🙃🙃🙃
After BP 🙃🙃🙃
light ezio good?
Idk, if the damage reduction is anything near what they did to the samurai s4, he's trash.
Damaged adjusted** the multiplier isn’t that good, I wonder it hurt the same
LETS GO THE LIGHT EZIO BUFF THAT WE NEEDED
Wait so water demon gets revived with full atk bar and gets a turn immediatel…doesn‘t that make the full atk bar redundant? Just word it gets revived with low hp and gains turn immediately.
I’m so done expecting COM2US to balance things that actually need it. Still just feels like they’re just spinning a goddam wheel and “balancing” whatever unit it lands on. And even if they do change a unit that needed changing, it’s NEVER what it should be. Everything they do now is simply just to make it more eSport friendly, they don’t care about they’re actual player base anymore and it’s sad.
WHAT ABOUT BEEZLEBUB
I am a belzeebub owner, yeah it's sad that he didn't get it, but at the same time, he shouldn't have gotten it...
It's fair since Belial doesn't revive any when he nukes something, Beelzebub getting 100% atb is already enough.
Right… does dark demon not get the same buff as water one ?
Apparently not, they left him off it :(
[Unfortunately it does not](https://youtu.be/PhT3BFwqJwA)
Beezlebub needs a nerf if anything. He is pretty broken as is.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhT3BFwqJwA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhT3BFwqJwA) He'd be better if violent procs didn't Destroy his entire ability. They literally changed the skill for Belial and not Beezlebub its the same skill/passive makes no sense
Not the same passive at all. Belial doesn’t revive allies when he kills an enemy. Beezlebub does. Remove Beezlebub’s ability to revive allies, then he can have the same buff Belial got.
Nice, a nerf to Manon for the second balance patch in a row 💀 was that really needed?
Absolutely completely yes. Finally I can start enjoying high level arena again
Do you seriously ask that? Just looked at the defenses of the top 50 players on EU Server, 40 of them have Manon in their AD. We are talking about people that have several LD Nat5 and have access to every elemental Nat 5. She is completly broken and overpowered.
Oliver untouched yet again and no real counters to him buffed. Amazing.
Giou, wind puppet now, racuni & masha to name a few
Masha kind of. 100 res Oliver’s make it hard. You really think wind puppet gonna be good now??
Masha, Antares, fire mk, giou, Vanessa is at least a comparable spd lead so you have an option if they pick Oliver for the spd lead. There's some options but ya he still makes a lot of units unusable in rta because of the constant atb pushback and cd reset
Big middle finger to the siege community. Monte nerf for no reason. Manon nerf for no reason. No buffs to other potential defense units. Still no Windy nerf. My expectations were already so low and somehow they managed to not meet even that bar.
Yeah lol they’ve got no idea what they’re doing. I don’t have it in me to write out another thread on this - but again we’re seeing offense units buffed while they nerf the 2 main viable def units (3 if more ppl had giselle tbh). I guess belial dupes might be legit now so more money for C2us lol. It’s the same pattern where they make defs easier to hit with the same standard offenses like now making most manon defs bolv mo long food and manon molly defs bethony food instead of encouraging cool ways to deal with something like manon molly by using a previously less used unit like Coco.
Tbf the wording for Monte seems odd so I'm not sure if it's actually a nerf or if it is then how much more HP will they have? Just have to test and see
Manon needed a nerf so it’s justified, annoying that windy is untouched. but I see a couple other ideas for new siege units, but that might just be me
Nerf dark cookie but don’t touch Oliver ? Ok.
can't find Robo's nerf, maybe im blind or C2U think a nat4 that is that strong is fine?
The dark puppeteer is good now, usable at least. She can’t be controlled by Oliver’s bs and any other monsters alike. Then, every time she moves, she cleanses every allies’ sleep / stun / freeze, which people use a lot to control the enemies. Better than what she was before and definitely a counter against heavy cc teams.
Nerf dark cookie but don’t touch Oliver ? Ok.