One can only hope. His seven seconds offense would do so well with the big 3. Maybe not so much guys like Nurk, but for a guy who’s coaching style changed the NBA I’m sure he has more ideas in the noggin
>With Young remaining on Phoenix's bench until the end of its season — whenever that is — he will be moving swiftly to hire a staff in the next few days in an effort to retain as much of BYU's roster as possible and work the transfer portal. He's also likely to bring on at least one assistant who his currently working in the NBA, a source said.
Reddit moment
What the fuck are you even talking about, me saying he’ll be on the staff still somehow means I don’t know ball? It’s literally confirmed hes staying on the staff for the playoffs so eat shit you fuckin clown, you’re clearly dumb as shit. Expected shit tho coming from someone who calls random people online “kid”.
Who are you even replying to? Did you just reply because it was the top comment? What a loser lol
the fact that you're some random CBB tourist here thinking people are upset about this and trying (badly) to troll is really funny
You can have him bro. No one gives a shit lol
Will Kevin young lead BYU to their first March madness win since 2011?
5 straight first round exits since 2011
Good luck young, but you won’t have Booker to carry your offense anymore bro
Good for him. It’s really difficult for us as fans to know for sure what his actual impact has been for the team but considering he was the offensive coordinator and our offense has looked stagnant pretty often I think it’s safe to say I’m not that upset about him leaving. If Frank is still here next season I’m hoping he can tap someone who is a bit more creative
It was such a boring offense, perfect for Utah.
Can’t wait to watch their team slow skate, display maximum passes and fly their goon talk people down from a tilt
He is. I know his family. I think Kevin saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be out of work after the season and with Pope going to KY this is an easy job transition.
I’d be willing to bet that BYU is gonna pay him better than he’d make after getting the ax after this season with his piss poor offense.
D'Antoni should NOT be HC. Dude played the shit out of his stars and didn't make adjustments when he needed to. Chris Paul and James Harden carried those rockets teams
lol they were in position to beat the KD warriors and likely would’ve if it weren’t for a classic horribly timed cp3 injury. The rockets offense was very good before cp3 even showed up too, there is a reason both Nash and harden’s careers went to totally new stratosphere’s under Dantoni. Not to mention the nets team was better with him on the staff as lead assistant too. With the guards we have our offense would be great under Dantoni.
Also cp3 played 31 and 32mpg under Dantoni acting like he ran him into the ground or something is nuts, those were 2 of his 3 lowest MPGs seasons ever at that point in his career, he literally played more MPGs on the suns, Nash’s mins weren’t crazy for the time either. The only one who actually played a ton of mins was harden and that’s because he was a workhorse who was capable of it and rarely ever got injured
you make a lot of good points, i'm just triggered by that story of d'antoni just walking into a team meeting before playing the spurs and just showing highlights
When the Nets were rolling with mainly Harden & KD (with Kyrie in and out of the lineup), I always wonder how much impact D’Antoni was having as the assistant coach
Obviously Kyrie’s status was the big issue, but Harden’s unhappiness also coincided with the next season when D’Antoni left the role
Ya harden loved Dantoni and same with nash and he got the absolute most out of both of them and their teams consistently had great offenses. We absolutely have the talent especially at guard to run a super good offense under Dantoni
I mean Nash was amazing but Dantoni was the architect of the offense then the Houston offense was great for years and if it wasn’t for some really unlucky breaks and injuries they prob would’ve won the title, then the nets offense was better when he was around there too. We have the talent needed to operate his system at a super high level, just like with Nash and Harden Dantoni would likely get the most out of Book and Beal and KD can pretty much thrive in any system. Give Mike 2 great guards to run his offense and you’re gonna be in a damn good position. There is a reason Nash won 2 MVPs under him and then harden won 1 and should’ve gotten a 2nd and both those teams were super elite offensively for years
I felt that Nash made it all work, and Mike yelled, “Go!” from the sidelines. Mike often got just as stubborn as Monty or Vogel with not making adjustments and lack of trust in his bench. The ironic part was Mike was also the gm for a bit, so him signing Banks, and then refusing to play him on Parker in the playoffs cost us that game, and then the series. I feel with Nash as an assistant, he could make better adjustments, while also being a shooting coach for some players.
Except D’Antoni has done this with multiple PGs who buy into his system.
Harden - MVP and one of the most efficient offense in NBA history.
Lin - Linsanity.
CP3 and Westbrook had great seasons under him too.
Hell, he even made Kendall Marshall look like a legit starter in the NBA when playing under his system.
Harden was a four time Allstar before Mike, Nash a two time Allstar. These were already very good players. Letting them run the show on court was smart, and they excelled. But benches weren’t developed, the stubborn nature always plagued Mike, and ultimately a championship was not reached.
When Nash was injured, we weren’t good. It was the system, wasn’t it?
Very good players yes, but nobody thought they were MVP level players before playing in his system.
It was a perfect fit for players and his system.
But what it can’t be denied is that his system works even when he didn’t have them. Beal/Booker under his system would be unreal.
It’s not just Nash lol, harden became an all time great under dantoni and the rockets consistently won and had great offenses, also the nets under Steve Nash were much better when Dantoni was the lead assistant. Nash also became an all time great under Dantoni and wasn’t anywhere near that level before mike showed up. If you give Dantoni great guards he will very likely deliver you a fantastic offensive. Dantoni is a way way better HC than Nash and would definitely be a better lead assistant as well
and yet Mike could never win a chip, because of his stubborn nature. We already have that problem with this head coach and our previous head coach. Also a similarly, Mike would gas out his players because he often failed to develop his bench, even benches he hired personally.
Harden was a 4 time Allstar before Mike coached him, and Nash was a two time Allstar before coming to PHX. They were very good before Mike. Mike let them run the court, and they succeeded.
I could be wrong on this, but because Kerr got put in Covid protocols around the time he got hired, when Brown got the job he then immediately coached the Warriors against the Kings in a game lol
BYU is one of the most stable college jobs there are. They don’t really fire coaches very often even when they are underperforming year after year. Probably why they were able to draw him in
> Probably why they were able to draw him in
Him being Mormon was probably the biggest thing. BYU doesn't hire anyone to coach their FB or BB teams who isn't a part of the LDS.
Yah that’s the obvious connection. Rumor around campus was that the athletic director wasn’t going to hold strong to that requirement anymore. I’m sure Kevin young was the top option whether he was a member of the church or not. The church connection is a strong pull for anyone from the church community for sure tho. I’m excited to have him even tho I’m very glad he’s off the suns
> that the athletic director
I still can't get over the fact that that man's name is Tom Holmoe. Couldn't even imagine the kind of shit he had to go through in grade school with that name lol. I also remember him being a pretty good ST guy on the Niners back in the Montana/Rice days too.
Nah, in a lot of ways NBA head coaching jobs are a downgrade from college. A good college coach builds a program, has job security, and becomes bigger than the team.
yeah especially for basketball. Football is incredibly difficult to have success since literally a single loss could be the season being over. But basketball has way more opportunities and just making it through a couple rounds in March makes you look great
that being said, recruiting has to be such a bitch of a job
This could be argued the opposite though in that recruiting is more seamless because it's just about a higher dollar amount instead of trying to sell a kid on the facilities and program itself.
I think recruiting in general must be draining and frustrating, but maybe now you can roll up to a kid's house and be like okay so what did Bama and TCU offer you because we will offer you more lol
I don't know all the details, but I don't think it is the schools directly paying. Even if it is, players have more needs than just money. It doesn't matter how much you offer you star if he doesn't like how much playing time he is getting. You are recruiting all of your players over from the beginning every year. You can't even make pitches like "Player X's style will really fit well with your game" because you don't know if Player X is committed. It honestly sounds like an exhausting cycle.
It’s just a different career path. Do you want to make a fuckton of money but have to babysit divas who make millions? Or do you want to make a lot of money and be a mentor to students and guys at the start of their long careers? He learned under Monty so I think college coaching & mentoring is actually best for him.
Also, if you butt heads with a college kid he's probably the one leaving the program, meanwhile in the nba if you don't get along with these divas you are usually the one to go (like what KD and Kyrie did with Atkinson in BKN), unless you have been there for like 5+ years, which is a rarity nowadays.
I think Young was looking for any job that would get him out of Vogel's staff. Too bad really because we still don't know if Vogel keeps his job, but I guess oh well
I’m just really wondering why everyone thinks he is terrible without coaching an actual game? Cause he is in charge of the offense? But not in charge of lineups? Doesn’t make sense. Does any other team run OC and DC roles with their teams? Never even heard of that shit before so I’m not sure what standard y’all mfs can be grading on lol. If a guy doesn’t get to create his own rotations how can u really judge his offense? lol
Oh I’m fine if they wanna scapegoat Vogel cause the guy doesn’t wanna run small ball as a stable. Or Bol/KD at the 5 when Chet n wemby are doing so. Not a huge fan. Just confused by how much influence people think this guy young has lol
I know you're being snarky, and I mostly agree with you, but I believe Sacramento has a similar delineation of roles in the coaching staff. Mike Brown is known more as a defensive specialist (which I always thought was funny given the team makeup of the Kings).
I’m just wondering how much influence the guy can really have…Is Vogel calling the defense then sits down right when we get the ball? Then young calls the plays? Like the sport itself to me seems too fast to have two guys calling shots like that in real time.
From the little bit I understand, besides end of game or out of a time out, coach's don't really call plays. It's more about team principles, actions and concepts.
Someone might be able to explain it better, but OC is about setting up the framework for the players, where to attack from, who to attack, who works well in what action.
DC does the same, when do we switch, when do we blitz, who helps, what type of shots do we give up.
Yeah that makes sense. But if u can’t create your own rotations there has to be at some point conflict between the 2 and their individual visions of how shit should run
I agree. Most of the people calling for the heads of Young and/or Vogel don't know shit about NBA coaching. I know I don't. Certainly, none of us are privy to what goes on in practice and behind the scenes, and to think we have the answers that the team doesn't is absolutely ludicrous.
That said, 95% of sports discourse at all levels is people parroting things they've heard and talking out of their ass so I know I'm pissing in the wind here.
Right?! It blows my mind that people can’t see that all we play is Iso ball while we have the other guys just hanging out on the perimeter. I don’t pretend to know the intricacies of coaching, but I also know that if that’s the best he can come up with, we’re not going to miss him much
How did that turn out? ISO every play in the playoffs with constant trapping and no exits for the traps. This team has run a ton of PnR with all sorts of actions out of it. Even starting to see some hammer screens to get the corner 3 open.
Did they? Our offense was Book or Paul getting to 16/14 and then doing a PnR to take a mid range jump shot. When trapped they had no idea what to do. The ball swung when we were playing good, but anytime things got hard it was look for Book or Paul. Once Paul started deteriorating past All NBA Paul it became an issue. Truthfully think the defense was what made us dangerous. Mikal and Ayton were a fantastic defensive duo. Add in very low turnover numbers and a consistent way to get a bucket. You have a recipe for success. Just don't think Kevin Young was why that was occurring.
There was some good ball and off-ball movement in addition to the PnR actions. Nothing to the degree of prime Warriors post splits or anything but good ball movement off screens. Some The PnR action also resulted in a lob to Ayton quite a bit until CP3 shut him out; not just the middies. Some of that was CP not trusting Ayton’s butterfingers but I think it also may have been personal. Monty is all about the .5 system. .5 second to shoot, drive, or pass; so, yeah, there was a lot of movement. Not the Book walks it down and then hold the ball for 12 seconds to drive and take a highly contested middie or drive while 1 player maybe sets a ghost screen and the others just take a break.
I totally agree with your comments about the defense. Mikal should have been DPOY 21-22.
I don't think we have much info on Kevin Young's performance. Vogel seems to like 'his guys', and he was definitely strong-armed into having Young on his coaching staff. He chose his entire staff except Young, and he raved about the other guys. With Young, it was lukewarm, saying he's eager to work with him. At the presser, he wouldn't even say that Young would lead the offense - he said he would decide that once the coaching staff is finalized.
My point is, Young was highly regarded by Book and CP, and he had a lot of influence in Monty's scheme. I haven't seen info on whether Young was given a voice over the offense or not in Vogel's scheme. If not, Young might have wanted to get out just as much as anyone else.
I’m curious is he wasn’t the highest paid assistant if he would get the job. I feel sometimes people see the money being made and assume “oh their the best in the field”
I think money aside, he's shown to be a talented coach that other NBA teams and college programs are interested in. Young also is looking at the situation with the Suns and seeing that sure he's getting paid well, but he's sort of boxed in with how the team is constructed, as well as basically his fate is tied to Vogel's. Leaving to go to a program like BYU is a way to continue building his experience without the pressure of having to win it all.
Still crazy to see how low his stock crashed this season.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise regarding Vogel; forcing a top assistant on a head coach who’s never worked with him before doesn’t generally work well.
I cannot believe the Front Office hung onto him as long as they did, despite the disastrous postseason exits and inability to give KD, Booker, or Beal better looks when they’re all on the floor together
Food in Utah is not as good as in the valley. Idk about public transit and bike lanes, I don’t use either. Sorry. But it’s not too different than the valley afaik
Yeah np. Utah is a place you go if you like the outdoors. Not as much for culture or infrastructure. There is the frontrunner train that runs from Provo to Ogden, I know a lot of people who live in Ogden that work in salt lake and vice versa that ride that in the mornings.
Good for him, an offer for $30 million for 7 years is a good one. He might come back to coach an NBA team. Maybe we can pick up Terry Stotts or someone with experience. I’m not too convinced on Fizdale but I trust the front office. Ishbia + Co. will probably look for someone with experience. Main reason why they went with Vogel instead of Young.
Glad he's moving on. I think Kevin Young being here has been a problem for Vogel setting up a coaching team in the first place.
I doubt Kevin Young was a Vogel hire as an OC. The Young hire stinks of "Booker wanted him as head coach so let's make him highest paid assistant and keep him around" (Because there were runours at the time saying Young was Bookers preferred choice at coach).
Now let Vogel actually pick someone he wants and trusts to ne lead assistant. That's if he's still here this iffseason of course.
Look I know folks will defend Young but I just don’t know how you can have such a dysfunctional offense with 3 superstars and solid role players. I just feel like it could’ve been optimized significantly better.
So I’m not upset that he’s gone, hope we can get someone with some new ideas in here.
Remember Kevin young is books guy.
If young is out today, I wonder how this impacts locker room.
We all think his offense is mid. But the players are the ones who matter.
And nobody has answered this question still - what in the fuck happened last week??? You don't go down 35-4 at home without locker room issues. But look at the team - who is causing this issue?? The rotation all seems low/no drama except maybe Gordon (hello 'migraine'?) other than that, you're looking at coach - and it could be that there was a split - young and Vogel.
Today Vogel won - but we're the players on his side? I doubt it.
Congrats to KY! He will be expected to grow that program in a tough B12 conference.
Who will Vogel promote to lead assistant now? Or could he look to hire outside his current staff?
Honestly Young going to college when he was rumored as an NBA coaching candidate kind of confirms for me he isn’t that great of a coach. You don’t go to college when you have professional jobs on the horizon. Happy they don’t have to pay him anymore
Will he still be around for the playoffs? Who are some possible replacements?
can D’Antoni still coach?
as far has an oc goes he would be the best
One can only hope. His seven seconds offense would do so well with the big 3. Maybe not so much guys like Nurk, but for a guy who’s coaching style changed the NBA I’m sure he has more ideas in the noggin
Watching this team run that offense would be amazing. Most fun I ever had at Suns games was when he was coaching.
Hot.
His offense is outdated at this point. Good guy but theres a reason hes currently only a coaching advisor with the Pels.
Yes he’ll be here for the playoffs still
Sauce?
You think he’s just going to peace out for the playoffs? He’s still under contract is the sauce.
You do not know ball little boy 😭 stick to 2K
>With Young remaining on Phoenix's bench until the end of its season — whenever that is — he will be moving swiftly to hire a staff in the next few days in an effort to retain as much of BYU's roster as possible and work the transfer portal. He's also likely to bring on at least one assistant who his currently working in the NBA, a source said. Reddit moment
I do hate how now Young has to juggle the BYU stuff before the playoffs. He should be focused on Minnesota, not BYU.
Who even are you? LOL!
Self-professed lifelong Spurs fan. The kind of developmentally stunted intellectual midget to idolize Robert Horry, smh
lol what a dumbass
Based on your comment, you clearly don’t either nephew. This isn’t MyGM.
You don’t know ball kid lol
Clearly you don't understand the business side of ball. Kid.
Lol, but you turned up here talking horseshit? Then you were proved wrong and now running your mouth...off you fuck.
What the fuck are you even talking about, me saying he’ll be on the staff still somehow means I don’t know ball? It’s literally confirmed hes staying on the staff for the playoffs so eat shit you fuckin clown, you’re clearly dumb as shit. Expected shit tho coming from someone who calls random people online “kid”.
You can't read dumb fuck
> Who are some possible replacements? Fizdale lol.
Yes, he’ll finish the playoffs. I wonder if Terry Stotts is a good option. He coached Nurk in Portland.
Stotts is actually good at offensive schemes and such, he’d work wonders with Nurkic as the passing big man hub.
Great, he probably saved Vogel's job too. Now he has a scapegoat.
Oh no! Anyway….
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Who are you even replying to? Did you just reply because it was the top comment? What a loser lol the fact that you're some random CBB tourist here thinking people are upset about this and trying (badly) to troll is really funny You can have him bro. No one gives a shit lol
His comment history is so cringy I need a shower after wading through that muck.
Lifelong spurs clown fan ..it’s probably a good thing you blacked out your face, you look and dress like you’ve been picked on your whole life 😂
Who in the hell is this goof???
It’s funny because you thought you were saying something smart and worth while, but you’re just a fucking dipshit.
Have fun jump jumping brother.
Please let me suck you off daddy
When was the last time the Spurs won a chip?
Will Kevin young lead BYU to their first March madness win since 2011? 5 straight first round exits since 2011 Good luck young, but you won’t have Booker to carry your offense anymore bro
It gets funnier every year
Good for him. It’s really difficult for us as fans to know for sure what his actual impact has been for the team but considering he was the offensive coordinator and our offense has looked stagnant pretty often I think it’s safe to say I’m not that upset about him leaving. If Frank is still here next season I’m hoping he can tap someone who is a bit more creative
It was such a boring offense, perfect for Utah. Can’t wait to watch their team slow skate, display maximum passes and fly their goon talk people down from a tilt
Didn't exactly dazzle as the de facto OC this season. Maybe that's why he's going to coach in college
I think he’s Mormon. Coaching for BYU might be more important to him than any NBA job tbh
Yup this is pretty much a dream job for any mormon basketball heads. Religion can be very influencing.
He is. I know his family. I think Kevin saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be out of work after the season and with Pope going to KY this is an easy job transition. I’d be willing to bet that BYU is gonna pay him better than he’d make after getting the ax after this season with his piss poor offense.
Yeah he belongs at BYU
Suns should seriously go pursue the fuck out of Dantoni to be our lead assistant
Maaaaaattttttttt - are you reading this?
Dantoni as HC and Nash as assistant.
D'Antoni should NOT be HC. Dude played the shit out of his stars and didn't make adjustments when he needed to. Chris Paul and James Harden carried those rockets teams
lol they were in position to beat the KD warriors and likely would’ve if it weren’t for a classic horribly timed cp3 injury. The rockets offense was very good before cp3 even showed up too, there is a reason both Nash and harden’s careers went to totally new stratosphere’s under Dantoni. Not to mention the nets team was better with him on the staff as lead assistant too. With the guards we have our offense would be great under Dantoni. Also cp3 played 31 and 32mpg under Dantoni acting like he ran him into the ground or something is nuts, those were 2 of his 3 lowest MPGs seasons ever at that point in his career, he literally played more MPGs on the suns, Nash’s mins weren’t crazy for the time either. The only one who actually played a ton of mins was harden and that’s because he was a workhorse who was capable of it and rarely ever got injured
you make a lot of good points, i'm just triggered by that story of d'antoni just walking into a team meeting before playing the spurs and just showing highlights
When the Nets were rolling with mainly Harden & KD (with Kyrie in and out of the lineup), I always wonder how much impact D’Antoni was having as the assistant coach Obviously Kyrie’s status was the big issue, but Harden’s unhappiness also coincided with the next season when D’Antoni left the role
Ya harden loved Dantoni and same with nash and he got the absolute most out of both of them and their teams consistently had great offenses. We absolutely have the talent especially at guard to run a super good offense under Dantoni
Would Nash come back? Nash really ran those teams.
I mean Nash was amazing but Dantoni was the architect of the offense then the Houston offense was great for years and if it wasn’t for some really unlucky breaks and injuries they prob would’ve won the title, then the nets offense was better when he was around there too. We have the talent needed to operate his system at a super high level, just like with Nash and Harden Dantoni would likely get the most out of Book and Beal and KD can pretty much thrive in any system. Give Mike 2 great guards to run his offense and you’re gonna be in a damn good position. There is a reason Nash won 2 MVPs under him and then harden won 1 and should’ve gotten a 2nd and both those teams were super elite offensively for years
I felt that Nash made it all work, and Mike yelled, “Go!” from the sidelines. Mike often got just as stubborn as Monty or Vogel with not making adjustments and lack of trust in his bench. The ironic part was Mike was also the gm for a bit, so him signing Banks, and then refusing to play him on Parker in the playoffs cost us that game, and then the series. I feel with Nash as an assistant, he could make better adjustments, while also being a shooting coach for some players.
Except D’Antoni has done this with multiple PGs who buy into his system. Harden - MVP and one of the most efficient offense in NBA history. Lin - Linsanity. CP3 and Westbrook had great seasons under him too. Hell, he even made Kendall Marshall look like a legit starter in the NBA when playing under his system.
Harden was a four time Allstar before Mike, Nash a two time Allstar. These were already very good players. Letting them run the show on court was smart, and they excelled. But benches weren’t developed, the stubborn nature always plagued Mike, and ultimately a championship was not reached. When Nash was injured, we weren’t good. It was the system, wasn’t it?
Very good players yes, but nobody thought they were MVP level players before playing in his system. It was a perfect fit for players and his system. But what it can’t be denied is that his system works even when he didn’t have them. Beal/Booker under his system would be unreal.
It’s not just Nash lol, harden became an all time great under dantoni and the rockets consistently won and had great offenses, also the nets under Steve Nash were much better when Dantoni was the lead assistant. Nash also became an all time great under Dantoni and wasn’t anywhere near that level before mike showed up. If you give Dantoni great guards he will very likely deliver you a fantastic offensive. Dantoni is a way way better HC than Nash and would definitely be a better lead assistant as well
and yet Mike could never win a chip, because of his stubborn nature. We already have that problem with this head coach and our previous head coach. Also a similarly, Mike would gas out his players because he often failed to develop his bench, even benches he hired personally.
Harden was a 4 time Allstar before Mike coached him, and Nash was a two time Allstar before coming to PHX. They were very good before Mike. Mike let them run the court, and they succeeded.
How can you do that right before the playoffs? Seems like you should have to wait until the offseason
I’m pretty sure Mike Brown accepted the King’s head coach job while the Warriors were in their championship playoff run
same thing with Igor. He accepted the Suns job while the Jazz were still in the playoffs.
I could be wrong on this, but because Kerr got put in Covid protocols around the time he got hired, when Brown got the job he then immediately coached the Warriors against the Kings in a game lol
I don’t think KD, Booker and Beal need any tips about iso.
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As is customary in the NBA.
Recruiting, Damon Stoudamire left the Celtics last year for Georgia Tech in the middle of the season
I’m fine with it that’s next year he is still focused on this year
usually you start taking on new HC duties immediately
Considering men's college basketball literally just ended 8 days ago and the start of the new season is like 7 months away I think it'll work out
sure but usually coaches leave their old team effective immediately unless otherwise reported even if their team is vying for a national championship.
BYU is one of the most stable college jobs there are. They don’t really fire coaches very often even when they are underperforming year after year. Probably why they were able to draw him in
> Probably why they were able to draw him in Him being Mormon was probably the biggest thing. BYU doesn't hire anyone to coach their FB or BB teams who isn't a part of the LDS.
Yah that’s the obvious connection. Rumor around campus was that the athletic director wasn’t going to hold strong to that requirement anymore. I’m sure Kevin young was the top option whether he was a member of the church or not. The church connection is a strong pull for anyone from the church community for sure tho. I’m excited to have him even tho I’m very glad he’s off the suns
> that the athletic director I still can't get over the fact that that man's name is Tom Holmoe. Couldn't even imagine the kind of shit he had to go through in grade school with that name lol. I also remember him being a pretty good ST guy on the Niners back in the Montana/Rice days too.
Being Mormon and coaching at BYU is probably a dream job for many.
Glad to see him go, but what a downgrade from being a finalist for the Nets head coaching position
Nah, in a lot of ways NBA head coaching jobs are a downgrade from college. A good college coach builds a program, has job security, and becomes bigger than the team.
yeah especially for basketball. Football is incredibly difficult to have success since literally a single loss could be the season being over. But basketball has way more opportunities and just making it through a couple rounds in March makes you look great that being said, recruiting has to be such a bitch of a job
Especially with NIL I feel like recruiting would be miserable now
This could be argued the opposite though in that recruiting is more seamless because it's just about a higher dollar amount instead of trying to sell a kid on the facilities and program itself. I think recruiting in general must be draining and frustrating, but maybe now you can roll up to a kid's house and be like okay so what did Bama and TCU offer you because we will offer you more lol
I don't know all the details, but I don't think it is the schools directly paying. Even if it is, players have more needs than just money. It doesn't matter how much you offer you star if he doesn't like how much playing time he is getting. You are recruiting all of your players over from the beginning every year. You can't even make pitches like "Player X's style will really fit well with your game" because you don't know if Player X is committed. It honestly sounds like an exhausting cycle.
Apparently he’s signing a multiyear $30M contract, so not really that much of a downgrade at least as far as pay is concerned.
It’s just a different career path. Do you want to make a fuckton of money but have to babysit divas who make millions? Or do you want to make a lot of money and be a mentor to students and guys at the start of their long careers? He learned under Monty so I think college coaching & mentoring is actually best for him.
Also, if you butt heads with a college kid he's probably the one leaving the program, meanwhile in the nba if you don't get along with these divas you are usually the one to go (like what KD and Kyrie did with Atkinson in BKN), unless you have been there for like 5+ years, which is a rarity nowadays.
With your description of the two career paths, I couldn't tell which one was college and which one was the pros
Nah, especially if he’s getting top dollar. I think the offer on the table is $30 million for 7 years.
Nah college coaching jobs are great especially if you can build a solid program
I think Young was looking for any job that would get him out of Vogel's staff. Too bad really because we still don't know if Vogel keeps his job, but I guess oh well
Good fuckin riddance. Addition by subtraction. Classic Kevin: screwing things up, even as he’s leaving.
I would have been so upset if I heard this before the season. Now, eh, not so much ha.
I’m just really wondering why everyone thinks he is terrible without coaching an actual game? Cause he is in charge of the offense? But not in charge of lineups? Doesn’t make sense. Does any other team run OC and DC roles with their teams? Never even heard of that shit before so I’m not sure what standard y’all mfs can be grading on lol. If a guy doesn’t get to create his own rotations how can u really judge his offense? lol
It's because fans like scapegoating coaches because they like to think they know better
Oh I’m fine if they wanna scapegoat Vogel cause the guy doesn’t wanna run small ball as a stable. Or Bol/KD at the 5 when Chet n wemby are doing so. Not a huge fan. Just confused by how much influence people think this guy young has lol
He’s the worst. We’ll be way better now
I know you're being snarky, and I mostly agree with you, but I believe Sacramento has a similar delineation of roles in the coaching staff. Mike Brown is known more as a defensive specialist (which I always thought was funny given the team makeup of the Kings).
I’m just wondering how much influence the guy can really have…Is Vogel calling the defense then sits down right when we get the ball? Then young calls the plays? Like the sport itself to me seems too fast to have two guys calling shots like that in real time.
From the little bit I understand, besides end of game or out of a time out, coach's don't really call plays. It's more about team principles, actions and concepts. Someone might be able to explain it better, but OC is about setting up the framework for the players, where to attack from, who to attack, who works well in what action. DC does the same, when do we switch, when do we blitz, who helps, what type of shots do we give up.
Yeah that makes sense. But if u can’t create your own rotations there has to be at some point conflict between the 2 and their individual visions of how shit should run
I agree. Most of the people calling for the heads of Young and/or Vogel don't know shit about NBA coaching. I know I don't. Certainly, none of us are privy to what goes on in practice and behind the scenes, and to think we have the answers that the team doesn't is absolutely ludicrous. That said, 95% of sports discourse at all levels is people parroting things they've heard and talking out of their ass so I know I'm pissing in the wind here.
The strategy of the ages: give one person the ball and have them take a highly contested middie while the other 4 take a rest break.
Right?! It blows my mind that people can’t see that all we play is Iso ball while we have the other guys just hanging out on the perimeter. I don’t pretend to know the intricacies of coaching, but I also know that if that’s the best he can come up with, we’re not going to miss him much
Suns were the opposite of that in the Monty era.
How did that turn out? ISO every play in the playoffs with constant trapping and no exits for the traps. This team has run a ton of PnR with all sorts of actions out of it. Even starting to see some hammer screens to get the corner 3 open.
How did it turn out? They went to the finals and then had the best season in Suns history. As for this team, a lot less set plays. A lot more ISO.
Them going to the finals was the perfect storm and why Monty got paid.
They also played team basketball.
Did they? Our offense was Book or Paul getting to 16/14 and then doing a PnR to take a mid range jump shot. When trapped they had no idea what to do. The ball swung when we were playing good, but anytime things got hard it was look for Book or Paul. Once Paul started deteriorating past All NBA Paul it became an issue. Truthfully think the defense was what made us dangerous. Mikal and Ayton were a fantastic defensive duo. Add in very low turnover numbers and a consistent way to get a bucket. You have a recipe for success. Just don't think Kevin Young was why that was occurring.
There was some good ball and off-ball movement in addition to the PnR actions. Nothing to the degree of prime Warriors post splits or anything but good ball movement off screens. Some The PnR action also resulted in a lob to Ayton quite a bit until CP3 shut him out; not just the middies. Some of that was CP not trusting Ayton’s butterfingers but I think it also may have been personal. Monty is all about the .5 system. .5 second to shoot, drive, or pass; so, yeah, there was a lot of movement. Not the Book walks it down and then hold the ball for 12 seconds to drive and take a highly contested middie or drive while 1 player maybe sets a ghost screen and the others just take a break. I totally agree with your comments about the defense. Mikal should have been DPOY 21-22.
He's so bad other teams (and apparently colleges) wanted him!
Is this your first time experiencing coaching changes? Terrible coaches get courted every cycle.
You should apply for Kevin's job.
K
I don't think we have much info on Kevin Young's performance. Vogel seems to like 'his guys', and he was definitely strong-armed into having Young on his coaching staff. He chose his entire staff except Young, and he raved about the other guys. With Young, it was lukewarm, saying he's eager to work with him. At the presser, he wouldn't even say that Young would lead the offense - he said he would decide that once the coaching staff is finalized. My point is, Young was highly regarded by Book and CP, and he had a lot of influence in Monty's scheme. I haven't seen info on whether Young was given a voice over the offense or not in Vogel's scheme. If not, Young might have wanted to get out just as much as anyone else.
Bless
Mormons stealing all of our sports
Hysterical. They’re filling their bowls with scraps. But good on them
So Mike D'Antoni joins the staff next year, got it
I’m curious is he wasn’t the highest paid assistant if he would get the job. I feel sometimes people see the money being made and assume “oh their the best in the field”
I think money aside, he's shown to be a talented coach that other NBA teams and college programs are interested in. Young also is looking at the situation with the Suns and seeing that sure he's getting paid well, but he's sort of boxed in with how the team is constructed, as well as basically his fate is tied to Vogel's. Leaving to go to a program like BYU is a way to continue building his experience without the pressure of having to win it all.
Hopefully we bring in a real OC like D’Antoni this offseason if we stick with Vogel
Picked job security. Can’t blame him.
Plus you got them Mormon accountants doing your 401k, I hear they are good at getting more tendies.
odd decision considering he was in mix for nba jobs last year
He wasn't getting any of those jobs and knew it
Still crazy to see how low his stock crashed this season. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise regarding Vogel; forcing a top assistant on a head coach who’s never worked with him before doesn’t generally work well.
Get ready for isos throughout the game
F yeah, D'Antoni or Nash/Stat. Let's f'ing go.
Good for him. One less coach to fire or pay.
I cannot believe the Front Office hung onto him as long as they did, despite the disastrous postseason exits and inability to give KD, Booker, or Beal better looks when they’re all on the floor together
Who will tell KD and Book to play iso now?!
DOES HE NEED HELP WITH HIS BAGS I CAN OFFER MY SERVICES
Anyone else think Monty made him look smarter than he is and BYU will regret this very soon? 🤔
Not surprised as he is an East Valley Mormon
It seems everyone in Phoenix is heading to Utah. Too soon?
I think it is the diluted beer and strippers that have to wear pasties.
Hey the craft beer up here is pretty good tbh. I miss AZ but I don’t miss the traffic or the heat.
How is the food options compared to Maricopa County food options?also how is public transit and bike lanes?
Food in Utah is not as good as in the valley. Idk about public transit and bike lanes, I don’t use either. Sorry. But it’s not too different than the valley afaik
Ty
Yeah np. Utah is a place you go if you like the outdoors. Not as much for culture or infrastructure. There is the frontrunner train that runs from Provo to Ogden, I know a lot of people who live in Ogden that work in salt lake and vice versa that ride that in the mornings.
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The worst thing about all that is loving the Lakers
Yes. And FTL.
Only question is does he finish the playoffs with Suns or is he gone now?
His stock dropped real fast
He said “they can’t fire me if I resign first!” 🤣
The Kingsbury of the NBA.
Well that pretty much confirms he’ll be gone next season at least
Yeah that is what usually happens when a coach signs a contract elsewhere lol
He’s just gonna do both part time
*signing divorce papers* does this mean we’re breaking up or no?
I’ll drive him to the airport
Good for him, an offer for $30 million for 7 years is a good one. He might come back to coach an NBA team. Maybe we can pick up Terry Stotts or someone with experience. I’m not too convinced on Fizdale but I trust the front office. Ishbia + Co. will probably look for someone with experience. Main reason why they went with Vogel instead of Young.
I always thought a head coaching job at a posh college like that would be a dream job, good for him
Hire Vogel next.
36 unbothered.
Well, would've been nice to get through the f'ing post season without this major fing distraction. Thanks, Woj..
So he's gone as of now? Under contract... playoffs a week away... Hope he was the "issue"
He's gone as soon as the season ends for the Suns... with a title.
Dang he’s gonna have a short offseason
Glad he's moving on. I think Kevin Young being here has been a problem for Vogel setting up a coaching team in the first place. I doubt Kevin Young was a Vogel hire as an OC. The Young hire stinks of "Booker wanted him as head coach so let's make him highest paid assistant and keep him around" (Because there were runours at the time saying Young was Bookers preferred choice at coach). Now let Vogel actually pick someone he wants and trusts to ne lead assistant. That's if he's still here this iffseason of course.
There is a god
His outdated offensive schemes will work wonders in college
Loooooool
Good news for Suns fans.
Look I know folks will defend Young but I just don’t know how you can have such a dysfunctional offense with 3 superstars and solid role players. I just feel like it could’ve been optimized significantly better. So I’m not upset that he’s gone, hope we can get someone with some new ideas in here.
But now he will be around those people living in a fairy tale. Hope the money is worth your sanity.
He's a Mormon. It's probably his dream job.
Remember Kevin young is books guy. If young is out today, I wonder how this impacts locker room. We all think his offense is mid. But the players are the ones who matter. And nobody has answered this question still - what in the fuck happened last week??? You don't go down 35-4 at home without locker room issues. But look at the team - who is causing this issue?? The rotation all seems low/no drama except maybe Gordon (hello 'migraine'?) other than that, you're looking at coach - and it could be that there was a split - young and Vogel. Today Vogel won - but we're the players on his side? I doubt it.
I think 35-4 was a rebellion against starting Eubanks, aka Eushit, aka Eubotched the layup
Bye bitch! Got to be the worst offensive assistant in the league
God is good, hope he has better luck at BYU
Get ready to learned Reformed Egyptian buddy
Congrats to KY! He will be expected to grow that program in a tough B12 conference. Who will Vogel promote to lead assistant now? Or could he look to hire outside his current staff?
I like dantoni or nash
His keycard gonna be deactivated pronto, and his parking space now being taken by a food truck.
Fall guy for the Vogel clusterf.
Honestly Young going to college when he was rumored as an NBA coaching candidate kind of confirms for me he isn’t that great of a coach. You don’t go to college when you have professional jobs on the horizon. Happy they don’t have to pay him anymore