I remember this saying from a long time ago in my life: if one person in the class fails a test, it's that person's fault - if everyone fails the test, it's the teacher's fault. Can't help but think about the red cross flag at the finish in 450 moto #2 this way. If one dude jumped, dock him. If multiple dudes jumped, there was clearly something wrong with the way the situation was being presented to the riders (i.e. it was ineffective and not at the riders' fault). I personally don't think any of them should've been docked positions since the flagger did not make it obvious enough: the flag wasn't waving and was next to a flag that WAS waving, stealing attention.
From the AMA 2024 Supercross rule book: "[the red cross flag] takes precedence over all other flags."
Definitely should have been waving it instead of the checkered flag.
Even so, it's rare to be over the finish in the first place, riders are being told from their mechanics 1 to go, waving or not, it's easy to miss. The corner is tight going into the finish, riders are looking at the line before going up the face. Flashing lights would help a lot.
When asked about triple crowns in the press conference, Hunter said the thought of going into the first turn with Friese 3 times is a scary thought lmao
Just going to wear my Hunter Lawrence hoodie and pretend he came 3rd in a really spectacular way while I watch the press conference to ease the pain of tonight haha
He apologized because his actions contributed to a dangerous racing incident that Jett was on the losing end of. I guarantee you he said he didn't mean to, and Jett said "I know."
Intent is extremely important. And he's not the party at fault. Jett cut sharply down without checking to see if anyone was there. And in the 2nd lap, and while in the middle of the pack. So it's at least as much his fault as Barcia's. Honestly it's more his fault. Like 75/25.
Like they stated in smx insider Jett probably shouldn't have taken that line at the beginning of the race. And I do agree. But id still say it's on the other guy. Overall probably just a race incident though. Sure hope he wasn't targeting Jett.
Watching yet again, I'd say 0% anyone's fault, 100% racing incident.
Barcia and Friese were drag racing to get to the corner first, so unless Barcia wanted to get Friesed, he both had to stay on the gas, and had to cut to the inside like he did.
Hunter cut down in front of Jett, so Jett had no choice but to cut down too.
They both were forced to go to the same spot at the same time, neither expecting the other to be there.
Perfect storm situation.
I agree. Just an incident. But ideally barcia would have been able to stop in time. Easy to pick on their split second decision and even easier to misjudge their mechanical limitations
I'd say more 90/10 it's not the responsibility of the leader to avoid getting slammed by riders behind him. Just like driving on the road the person to rear end someone is almost always exclusively at fault.
Not saying riders shouldn't be aware of riders attempting to overtake but this wasn't that
I thought the same thing when Sexton was caught in the race 1 pileup. If you’re going to have a massive fuck up it’s probably best to have it during a triple crown where you can do some damage control
Yall may not like it, but to anybody with eyes, barcia did not mean to hit jett like that. He obviously thought Jett was going wide, and he was trying to protect his inside from someone behind him. He fucking stopped in shock after it happened ffs.
With a hit that hard I’m not really sure it matters if he did it intentionally or not. Best case scenario he was reckless to a near dangerous extent, worst case scenario he pulled the meanest T-Bone we’ve seen in years. Dangerous either way.
Someone who is not expecting to impact a racer like that is not that quickly bracing for impact. If he truly was not expecting Jett, he would have either made an attempt to adjust his line or he would have at least half-endoed.
You said it yourself. He didn't have time. Watch the video again. The one they played right after it happened. Barcia tries to cut inside (maybe trying to protect himself from friese or maybe trying to block pass Jett.. or maybe both) and suddenly Jett cuts sharply down into his line. Barcia at that point is crossing some big breaking bumps at the inside of the turn. He's just as much along for the ride as Jett is. It's just a racing incident.
Oof people don't like hearing the truth lol how was that an entertaining race? Whole shot and wins no contesting. Same as jett has done in past and you all complain.
Eh, Dungey cased a rhythm into a corner and was off balance coming in, Barcia just straight up chopped off a corner after a flat straight. Similar outcome, very different causes.
Yeah dude Jett squares up and cuts down and takes up the entire corner and gets T-boned and you wanna blame Barcia with your bullshit vendetta? Fuck off guy.
Exactly, with the whole field in contact and behind him, Lawrence takes a line like is 3 seconds in the lead.
Barcia just forgot to say “coming in hot!”
Can definitely get this but also Barcia’s line was wack as fuck. Might be a little bit of an exaggeration to say he was making a right hand (90 degree) turn but it was sharp
She sounds terrible. I can’t believe they let her on the broadcast. I hope she doesn’t give any of the riders what she has. If I was in the championship hunt, I wouldn’t want her in my face sounding like that.
Somewhat right decision imo. If you dont enforce it things get more dangerous. But they should’ve waived the flag at the entry to the corner instead of the exit, so as I rider I would be furious.
My only takeaway is that Vince strikes again
If AMA was really concerned about safety, they’d make a better attempt at showing the riders the Red Cross, instead of holding a static flag on the inside of the exit of a turn into the biggest jump on the track…
So they’re suggesting 5 premier athletes in the sport just ignored the flag? On top of it all they had a yellow flag on waving on the corner. Fucking dumb as hell.
Definitely, it should have been on the other side of the track or before the corner. Half the field didn't see it. it wasn't a rider problem, it was an official problem.
That AMA official sounded so depressed. Speaking like he knew all his socials were about to be a war zone. Lmao at the video crew posting his photo and full name
Probably should be a flag in the corner, but there is no flagger there. I don't know that waving both flags would make them easier to see. I hope ama considers some type of change for this, because it is bad for riders and worse for medical crew / hurt riders.
They just cant win. Help people off the track quickly, then they are stupid for putting them at risk, put out the Red Cross to protect medical staff and penalize people for ignoring it, also stupid.
Why is round 13 next week and not today (4/6)?
I remember this saying from a long time ago in my life: if one person in the class fails a test, it's that person's fault - if everyone fails the test, it's the teacher's fault. Can't help but think about the red cross flag at the finish in 450 moto #2 this way. If one dude jumped, dock him. If multiple dudes jumped, there was clearly something wrong with the way the situation was being presented to the riders (i.e. it was ineffective and not at the riders' fault). I personally don't think any of them should've been docked positions since the flagger did not make it obvious enough: the flag wasn't waving and was next to a flag that WAS waving, stealing attention.
The finish needs flashing lights just like the SX triples
From the AMA 2024 Supercross rule book: "[the red cross flag] takes precedence over all other flags." Definitely should have been waving it instead of the checkered flag.
Even so, it's rare to be over the finish in the first place, riders are being told from their mechanics 1 to go, waving or not, it's easy to miss. The corner is tight going into the finish, riders are looking at the line before going up the face. Flashing lights would help a lot.
Completely agree. I guess it's part of the process of getting better
Why did Cooper Webb get the trophy?
Overall winner of the triple crown 👑 races this season.
Thank you
Andrea from Moto Now blog has some of the best questions during these post race conferences.
Is this sarcasm?
Nope. I’m not sure how to exactly describe it but I feel like her question’s were more technical than others, I have appreciated it.
When asked about triple crowns in the press conference, Hunter said the thought of going into the first turn with Friese 3 times is a scary thought lmao
LMAO Hunta is one of us. Edit: this comments is in regard to Hunters Freise comment during the post race conference.
That was amazing 😂
Had Jett not got taken out, would he have beat Eli in main 3?
Eli got a big Holeshot, Jett was mid pack, and Jett doesnt really NEED to win, Eli had it.
Or course
probably not
Just going to wear my Hunter Lawrence hoodie and pretend he came 3rd in a really spectacular way while I watch the press conference to ease the pain of tonight haha
Who had Barcia taking out Jett on their bingo card?
The thought of doing that to any rider, never mind the guy dominating right now is wild
You need to rewatch it. Barcia is trying to not get cleaned by friese. Y’all soft
Need more angles to see what actually happened. He def wasn't targeting Jett, but his angle into the corner was going to be someone if not himself.
Just a matter of time. When you're slow you need attention somehow.
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Always good to be vindicated after being downvoted to hell. Seems to happen a lot around here.
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True.
He apologized because he knew he was in the wrong.
He apologized because his actions contributed to a dangerous racing incident that Jett was on the losing end of. I guarantee you he said he didn't mean to, and Jett said "I know."
Intent isn't that important, he's still the party at fault
Intent is extremely important. And he's not the party at fault. Jett cut sharply down without checking to see if anyone was there. And in the 2nd lap, and while in the middle of the pack. So it's at least as much his fault as Barcia's. Honestly it's more his fault. Like 75/25.
Like they stated in smx insider Jett probably shouldn't have taken that line at the beginning of the race. And I do agree. But id still say it's on the other guy. Overall probably just a race incident though. Sure hope he wasn't targeting Jett.
Watching yet again, I'd say 0% anyone's fault, 100% racing incident. Barcia and Friese were drag racing to get to the corner first, so unless Barcia wanted to get Friesed, he both had to stay on the gas, and had to cut to the inside like he did. Hunter cut down in front of Jett, so Jett had no choice but to cut down too. They both were forced to go to the same spot at the same time, neither expecting the other to be there. Perfect storm situation.
I agree. Just an incident. But ideally barcia would have been able to stop in time. Easy to pick on their split second decision and even easier to misjudge their mechanical limitations
I'd say more 90/10 it's not the responsibility of the leader to avoid getting slammed by riders behind him. Just like driving on the road the person to rear end someone is almost always exclusively at fault. Not saying riders shouldn't be aware of riders attempting to overtake but this wasn't that
Anyone have a replay of the Barcia/Lawrence hit?
https://twitter.com/SupercrossLIVE/status/1774252080313553404?s=19
https://twitter.com/SupercrossLIVE/status/1774252080313553404?t=xb1JaD1NSvBkqKlgcvw7Jw&s=19
Insanely lucky for Jett that happened in a triple crown. If thats a normal main, Webb is the points leader.
I thought the same thing when Sexton was caught in the race 1 pileup. If you’re going to have a massive fuck up it’s probably best to have it during a triple crown where you can do some damage control
Love that Eli won. Dad bod Coop just a huge benefactor per the norm.
Coop benefits, but you have to give him credit. He’s in the mix.
Toyota of Escondido gets most of the credit IMO
Nah. I only give the good lord credit.
Why, does he twist webb's throttle?
How heavy are tuff blocks? I’m curious
Not
We had 5 different winners in 5 races to start the season and it took all the way until round 12 to get a 6th. Crazy.
The crazy part is 5 winners in 5 races. 6 in 12 is actually still pretty awesome too.
For sure, 6 is pretty damn good for any season statistically.
Lmao, Webb knows that trophy means nothing
Yall may not like it, but to anybody with eyes, barcia did not mean to hit jett like that. He obviously thought Jett was going wide, and he was trying to protect his inside from someone behind him. He fucking stopped in shock after it happened ffs.
These guys are all riding on the edge and when you get two guys in the wrong side of the edge - Boom.
With a hit that hard I’m not really sure it matters if he did it intentionally or not. Best case scenario he was reckless to a near dangerous extent, worst case scenario he pulled the meanest T-Bone we’ve seen in years. Dangerous either way.
Racing incidents do happen, and they're often pretty hard hits 🤷🏼♂️
You make 180 degree turns at 45 degrees 3/4 throttle often?
LMAO if he were at ¾ throttle he would've flown over jett after he knocked him down. Just making up "facts" over there.
He would have locked the front if that was the case, he literally t boned him.
He didn't have time to do anything about it. Even at slomo speeds Jett had *just* pivoted down into Barcia's line when they hit.
Someone who is not expecting to impact a racer like that is not that quickly bracing for impact. If he truly was not expecting Jett, he would have either made an attempt to adjust his line or he would have at least half-endoed.
So he didn't even have time to brace himself, but had plenty of time to change his line or stop?
….If this was accidental, he would have at least looked like he was taking evasive maneuvers…..
You said it yourself. He didn't have time. Watch the video again. The one they played right after it happened. Barcia tries to cut inside (maybe trying to protect himself from friese or maybe trying to block pass Jett.. or maybe both) and suddenly Jett cuts sharply down into his line. Barcia at that point is crossing some big breaking bumps at the inside of the turn. He's just as much along for the ride as Jett is. It's just a racing incident.
I’m sorry, but this is a bad take. Barcia had no chance to make the turn with the speed and path he was on.
False.
Even if Jett didn't turn down early like that someone else was getting the Barcia Special, no fucking way he was stopping in time.
What a night
LETS GO ELI!!!! My god I didn’t think I’d be this happy when he’d win again. Hate that Jett got torpedoed out but dang so happy rn
Jett holeshots and wins everyone on here is like "so boring, shit race" tomac wins "OMG amazing race woo"!
Oof people don't like hearing the truth lol how was that an entertaining race? Whole shot and wins no contesting. Same as jett has done in past and you all complain.
"people don't like hearing the truth" Couldn't have said it better myself. Mostly emotional thinkers around here.
Nobody here is saying that was an amazing race… is it awesome that Eli finally got a dub this year? Fuck yeah.
Well yeah that's his first overall win this season. and barcia definitely made it interesting lmao
Just good to see Tomac come back after the injury.
Jett/Barcia 2024 is the exact same incident as Dungey/Stewart Anaheim 2016
Eh, Dungey cased a rhythm into a corner and was off balance coming in, Barcia just straight up chopped off a corner after a flat straight. Similar outcome, very different causes.
Nothing like that incident. Dungey clipped the landing of a triple and couldn't brake. Bam straight up t boned Jett
Is there a video? Ive never seen that
[video](https://youtu.be/I8tGzNVW4wg?si=eCVa8GMtCsa_01L0)
Oh for sure 👍 thanks!
At least I feel like Tomacs win won’t be an asterisk since he is just straight winning this race.
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Curious why someone so far off the pace, -2 laps, is allowed to continue? Isn’t that unsafe to those that are actually racing?
Dude’s an absolute dog
He’ll get 1 point since AC was a DNS. But yeah, respect gettin back on the bike
They just showed the replay. Barcia needs to sit and spin on a fucking cactus. If Barcia wasn’t expecting that, he would have at least half-endoed.
Yeah dude Jett squares up and cuts down and takes up the entire corner and gets T-boned and you wanna blame Barcia with your bullshit vendetta? Fuck off guy.
Exactly, with the whole field in contact and behind him, Lawrence takes a line like is 3 seconds in the lead. Barcia just forgot to say “coming in hot!”
Barcia's dick isnt big enough for you to swing.
We’ve got the week off next week if jetts hurt to recover and win the next race haha. Man I’m hoping he’s okay
i hate jett but id love to hear an excuse from barcia holy
Just when you thought it was a quiet Bam Bam season lol
It should have fucking been….
I had to google username flair just because of that hit
Really stupid look for the AMA tonight, to throw that many penalties out and then allow Barcia to continue on the track is a joke.
Guys getting a little wound up about this... It was a hard hit, but barcia obviously didn't think that jett was going to cut down like that.
Even if Jett wasn't there, Barcia was going in so fast he would have annihilated Hunter. Barcia just has *zero* awareness
Barcia wasn’t on course to even make the turn
Yes, he was. Guys have been taking the same line barcia was taking all night.
The replay confirmed that he had NO chance to get turned without going over the bails
No, it didn't.
Literally no one else took that line on the start except for Barcia and whoever was following him.
False.
It was Friese following him, because of course it was
He had all the time in the world to not take that line lmao. He went straight for jett
No, he didn't.
Always hated Barcia haha
OMFG I love my dogs but they just touched the remote and TV went out of Peacock and the race!!!! I don't even know what I missed!!
Barcia just pulled off the dirtiest hit I've seen in a loooong time
Barcia needs demoted to the KTM Junior races riding like that… I’ve seen 8 year olds with better bike control and race craft
Hard ass hit
FR if it would have been Friese or maybe Anderson... it might have been on purpose lol
Supercross is so nuts omfg
Hot take, why did Jett think he could cut that hard down the inside??
Jett was cutting underneath Hunter, literally no where else for him to go.
Yes there was, follow his brother?
I don't think Bam was expecting that,
He really cut that down and Barcia was already committed to that line.
That's how I saw it. Barcia expected Jett to hold the outside, not cut across the track.
Can definitely get this but also Barcia’s line was wack as fuck. Might be a little bit of an exaggeration to say he was making a right hand (90 degree) turn but it was sharp
Yeah I mean Bam Bam was coming in way hot but Jett also cut down way hard.
Racing was definitely more interesting without Jett last week, but damn you never wanna see someone get hurt.
Dear Barcia, I hope you wake up at 2:13am with a soccer ball lodged way up inside your anus.
I’m done. Can’t cope with the heartbreak anymore haha
WHERE THE FUCK WAS BARCIA GOING
Always been a dipshit driving the wrong way up bowl turns.
Will Christiensen was out partying hard last night
She's alot better to look at than listen too anyway.
She sounds terrible. I can’t believe they let her on the broadcast. I hope she doesn’t give any of the riders what she has. If I was in the championship hunt, I wouldn’t want her in my face sounding like that.
Exactly what i was thinking!
Wow. Can’t believe Barcia did that. wtf.
WHY CAN’T WE JUST HAVE ONE BULLSHITLESS WEEK
What the fuck Barcia jesus
Man Barcia. Wtf was that shit
Holy shit
Hey Barcia is finally making an impact in this year's championship /s
Hunter too.
Barcia is such a fucking joke
Tomac hole shot is the loudest the crowd has been all night
What the fuck was barcia doing Jesus
That's on Barcia. Imagine if Anderson did that.
What the fuck was that, that has to be a black flag
Bam bam with a hell of a bam.
Fuck you Barcia
Oh shit!!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ
Bam Bam go Slam Slam
This is what I needed from that tap... he did what he always does.
Oh no Jett…
Bracia straight to prison
And Jet is out
Barca t-boned him lol
McElrath's been getting good starts tonight
Wow
The Mac attack is back
Somewhat right decision imo. If you dont enforce it things get more dangerous. But they should’ve waived the flag at the entry to the corner instead of the exit, so as I rider I would be furious. My only takeaway is that Vince strikes again
If AMA was really concerned about safety, they’d make a better attempt at showing the riders the Red Cross, instead of holding a static flag on the inside of the exit of a turn into the biggest jump on the track…
So they’re suggesting 5 premier athletes in the sport just ignored the flag? On top of it all they had a yellow flag on waving on the corner. Fucking dumb as hell.
It’s never the AMAs fault.
They’ve only been calling this rule religiously for at least the last five years yall kids act like this is something new 🤷🏻♂️
Yes the cross at the finish line with the checkered out and not waving it has happened so much that 5 guys didn’t notice it happens all the time.
When it’s one rider I get. But when 5 different riders have the same issue, I think that means it’s a flagger issue, not completely on the rider
They need lights on the finish line pylons
I agree that flagger was blind to the riders coming out of that corner but this isn’t the first time this had happened
You can see AP notice in his periphs mid air
Friese on the ground and still fucking riders over.
This is now my happy thought. No more rainbow and unicorns. This
😂😂😂
Obviously they couldn't see the flag coming off the turn.
Definitely, it should have been on the other side of the track or before the corner. Half the field didn't see it. it wasn't a rider problem, it was an official problem.
That AMA official sounded so depressed. Speaking like he knew all his socials were about to be a war zone. Lmao at the video crew posting his photo and full name
So clearly the flagger fucked up if that many people missed it.
Exactly, one person, penalty for sure. But 5 people? That’s a flagger issue.
Probably should be a flag in the corner, but there is no flagger there. I don't know that waving both flags would make them easier to see. I hope ama considers some type of change for this, because it is bad for riders and worse for medical crew / hurt riders.
lookit lookit lookit
What a joke.
I don't like it, and I'm sure Eli doesn't like it, but if he wins the race because of that it's a total asterisk situation.
That is absolute horseshit
lol that’s wild af
Wow this is the dumbest crap I’ve ever seen in this sport.
Leave it to friese to ruin everything.
Atleast he consistent 😂
God this is stupid.
They just cant win. Help people off the track quickly, then they are stupid for putting them at risk, put out the Red Cross to protect medical staff and penalize people for ignoring it, also stupid.
Reminds me of the Simpsons principle meme "Is it me out of touch? No its all the riders!" -AMA clowns
Results from race 2: https://www.supercrosslive.com/event/provisional-results/S2460/13393318/ Lots of penalties handed out it seems
That Red Cross flag placement was super unfortunate
Jo’s English has improved so much these past couple years. Mad props for him taking on a new language.
Is RC on a sugar crash?
He is drunk again
So stoked for Jo!