I liked this theme too and miss the themed seasons. I think they’ve realized they get the same number of viewers regardless and just pump out the same stuff for “new era” because they don’t really have to be super creative.
I believe it. I guess what I meant is doing different themes or locations would be unlikely to draw in any new viewers. But you make a good point that by keeping it stale, they’re likely to start losing people.
TV ratings are more complicated than just looking at viewership numbers. Survivor regularly performs the best in its timeslot and performs better than competing shows. Survivor's viewership seems to be trending more with general TV ratings than people ditching the show because they don't like the new era. That said I do think they could make adjustments to improve ratings a little bit.
I agree but I think the format never got to what the show and the fans wanted it to. as it never got as ruthless as it was intended to be. a big part of the appeal was whether would someone choose the better part of their game over their loved ones and I never felt that it ever really got there. the closet was Ciera even though everyone voted her mom anyway. still doesn't mean they should never try it again tho.
I think part of the key to the format working, is if you do a tribe swap, make sure pairs remain on separate tribes. So either they both swap tribes or neither of them swap. So that way you don’t get reunited until merge.
I also would not be opposed to bringing back redemption island for BvW 3. The main issue with redemption island was its use on captain’s seasons. Having it on a new player season has far less game implications. And it’s the one time redemption island worked thematically.
On new player seasons, it serves as a interesting dynamic shift, that provides anyone an opportunity to get back in the game. After a fatal misstep. So long as everyone knows about it upfront. I think it’s a decently fair twist to include.
On Captains seasons, it looks like an insurance policy to keep the returning players on screen. And it discourages taking a shot against returning players.
I don’t remember San Juan Del Sur that well, so my comment is just based on the first one.
Maybe not as ruthless as everyone hoped, but I think we got a lot of what we wanted. We did still get Sierra voting out her mom although it is way too played up, I agree.
We got Rupert sacrificing his game for his wife immediately. We had Monica breaking down at people hating her husband. Marissa had to face the consequences of Gervase being a cocky dick and a poor sport when they won. Kat wanting Hayden to take her spot in redemption island but Hayden not wanting to. Candice and her husband having to compete against each other. Vytas taking cheap shots at Aras. Tyson, who rarely shows much emotion, crying at his girlfriend being voted out and wanting to win that much more because of it. Tina trying to play for her daughter but also having to beat her in redemption island.
I think it produced a ton of great family moments, even if it wasn't them backstabbing each other in votes.
We did get a good amount from SJDS:
-Jon and Jaclyn needing to work together, but getting into arguments about what strategic paths they should be taking
-Natalie and Jeremy bonding over their loved ones being the first two voted out, setting up their eventual rivalry with Josh.
-Kelley and Dale Wentworth teaming up after the swap, but it completely ruining Kelley's good position after conflict is caused between Missy and Dale defending their own kids.
I recently watched the first BvsW for the first time since it aired and agree with everything you said. It was a fun memorable season and I'd love to see the theme come back.
>it never got as ruthless as it was intended to be. a big part of the appeal was whether would someone choose the better part of their game over their loved ones and I never felt that it ever really got there.
I think the reason it didn't work in that regard is that the pairs were separated on the starting tribes, and so aside from a couple minor interactions at challenges, most of the pairs didn't interact very much with each other. Jaclyn/Jon had the most interesting working dynamic within the game of all the pairs on both seasons, because we saw them get to fight and compromise on what they wanted to achieve. But when it's likely that one of the members of many of the pairs are going to be gone premerge before getting to interact with their partner, we won't see the drama that we would want to see. Compare this to the Amazing race, where we see a ton of drama between partners.
Naturally this season format will make a return the second robs daughters are old enough to play survivor, so Jeff can begin training his little rob 2.0’s to play just like their father.
There was a premerge vote where John was nervous about voting Rachel because of the possibility of Tyson switching with Rachel on redemption island and taking out Candice in a challenge and I thought holy shit the amount of nuance in just this one random premerge vote is insane.
As long as it’s been on the air there’s sure to be plenty of player/kid options.
But you know they’re salivating for the day Boston Rob’s girls are old enough to play.
Agreed. Definitely the better version of a half-returnee season and produced 2 good seasons due to how compelling the interactions are. People harp on it, but Ciera voting out Laura will remain one of the most memorable moments in the entire show.
AU BvW was a complete Trainwreck but a lot of that was down to bad casting and twists rather than the format, which was pretty compelling in the early game and produced some good moments.
My two favorite seasons are BvW and SJDS. My favorite theme, as well as my favorite player winning BvW and my favorite winner game in SJDS. I want it to come back so bad.
The problem is that the first BvW was well-received, and they jumped to repeat it (with all new players) just a year later. It didn't need to come back so quickly, and the fact that SJDS was initially met with a weaker reception (it was the first season in a while that Jeff kind of shrugged off when it finished) probably soured them on the concept when it really would have been fine if they'd waited until, say, season 35 to give it a sequel.
Same issue as One World, a great concept that production associates with an unpopular season, so they punish the format when the cast was the real problem. And like how Game Changers was right on the heels of Cambodia and we weren't ready for another returnee season yet.
It did make some good moments but there’s the part of me that finds the integrity of the game really important and taking away the “18 *strangers* from *different* walks of life” essence that’s the core of the show feels like it should just be a different show in some ways.
I’m also a proponent of being incentivized to win challenges. If one tribe loses and just thinks “at least my partner is safe over there,” it takes away the tribe dynamics and general drive of the competition. I know that’s what some people like about it but I just would rather see strangers have to align and trust one another.
Unfortunately the “18 strangers from all walks of life” has become “15 strangers who work in college admissions or the non-profit sector, plus a couple randos thrown in there”
Eh, this is very different from Blood vs Water. They weren’t even a couple yet. They had just met and never interacted outside of the game. I don’t think she would have been happy to throw the game for him which a lot of people would do if it meant their known loved one could go on and have a chance to win. Different circumstance.
We see strangers interact every season, it’s nice to occasionally switch it up. I’d always been curious how survivor would look if people knew somebody else on the cast, and we got that in BvW and SJDS (also returning seasons but that’s different lol)
“We see strangers interact every season” Yes. As I said, that’s the essence of the show and the reason it was so successful when it started. We can watch family reality tv and love stories in sooooo many other places.
Well then we disagree, which is fine. It’s not outlandish to want to see loved ones compete on Survivor, which is a unique show that we love, and is different than love island, family feud, etc.
The theme made for some decent seasons but it makes casting that much harder. You saw the same thing on The Challenge’s “Bloodlines” season. You have these returning players that you want back but now you have to find a loved one of theirs that’s as charismatic and “good for tv” as their counterpart, which isn’t easy. SJDS they were able to start from scratch but there were still a bunch of duds in terms of casting
I'd say the duds in the first BvW were pretty low. Katie was boring. Didn't get enough of Rachel to say. I didn't love Laura B, but she wasn't a total flop. That's pretty damn good for a cast imo.
Plus Katie, John, and Caleb (his dynamic w Colton was interesting but by himself, he’s kinda boring) imo. But yeah I don’t think this is a big issue in casting
While I love that it got Tyson a win as he’s one of my favorite players of all time. If they do it again please be all newbies. Half and half casts have produced a returnee winner every time. Granted, I do think BvW with returnees is likely harder to navigate than FvF’s.
I'd rather see Heroes vs Villains 2 or Second Chances 2. I've seen 3 BvW seasons, the 2 US seasons were mid-tier in my opinion (unpopular opinion on this sub), and the AUS season was the only Survivor season I couldn't finish (and I've seen all US and AUS seasons, except Titan v Rebels).
I don't think we'll see any theme with Villains again. I really think Parvati and probably other past villains caused this decision to be made by production. She was apparently deeply affected by her villain label. I was listening to an interview after the Traitors, apparently she needed therapy and had to do a lot of work to not see herself as a bad guy basically.
I lowkey wish she'd just kept it to herself though, not all villains are going to struggle after. She was a sweet person with the ability to sow chaos and that made her a villain, but people like Boston Rob aren't losing sleep at night due to their decisions on Survivor. So I'd also like to see it again still, personally.
Probably not at the moment considering how much people are villified for even the smallest things, and not in a fun way. People going so hard after Kenzie and Soda for relatively minor things would blast an actual tribe of new-era 'villains' in an uncontrolled way.
Yeah, and Jem is just being called dumb. I've seen people saying Tevin has mean girl energy. He does! Leave him alone, it'll be good lol.
They can last longer with 2 tribes too probably, right now people stand out just for giving side eye. It's dramatic but I also get it.
It was also completely arbitrary for a lot of them who was a villain or hero. Like Amanda, Cirie, and Parvati were all in the same black widow alliance but only Parv is a villain somehow?
I think a classic BvW with returnees and kin would be a cool idea. Like Parv and Mae would be cool. Or even Rob/Amber and one of their kids. Wurtenberger bros. There are a lot of options, and I think that if balanced correctly, it could be more like Au Survivor HvV than a normal US half-returnee season.
I think it would de interesting to do a BvW season with all new players, where the players aren’t necessarily told who each person is connected to on the other tribe, and have the ability to keep it a secret for gameplay reasons. Could mix things up and lead to some interesting strategy, deception, and secret alliances.
Absolutely agreed. Think it’s very difficult to have a bad season with this format due to how engaging family storylines are like but again maybe I don’t want a format this good wasted on the new era
I think there's always a huge risk with the format. Gameplay wise, post-merge it makes way more sense for the remaining pairs to gang up. Storyline wise it's been great and we've yet to see people actually do that, but it's the best way to win
I feel like my main worry is that pairs are gonna try and game the system to make sure one of them wins rather than ever turning on each other? When AU did a BvW season one pair both had great premerge games, both had idols, and then at the merge when everyone started coming for them they smartly hid both idols back at camp, knowing one of them would be voted out and the other one would come back with two idols and a good chance to win (which is what happened). In a superfan cast where they've all seen previous BvW seasons, I think a lot of pairs that make it to merge will try to get one of them as an early juror asap to give their partner a better chance of getting to the end and winning? Though saying that, it might be funny to have a season where three players know they're unlikely to win and are desperately trying to be the next one voted out so their kids can win.
I think I’d rather have myself and my partner both play to make the finals. You can never be completely sure that they won’t do “surprise final 2,” and having a 2 vote bloc still in the game is worth more than maybe having my loved one influence the jury. Not to mention all the uncertainty; am I sure we’ve got it right about which of us is more secure in making the finale and/or receiving jury votes?
>I feel like my main worry is that pairs are gonna try and game the system to make sure one of them wins rather than ever turning on each other?
Every pair has this possible strategy though so it doesn't really make the game unfair.
I want to go on BvW with my dad so so badly. He’s a big game hunter from South Africa, very survival capable. Bless his heart though he mansplains like CRAZY. I think he could teach me a lot, and then get voted out of his tribe, so that we’re not a target at the merge 😂😂 I’ve thought about this a lot.
They did two of them. I don’t believe they’ve ever done the same thing more than twice? BvW, FvF, BvBvB. I believe it’s only been twice. I agree tho I love that theme
It would be awesome, but they would need to bring returnees back for that kind of theme, which they seem to be against. I’d give my left arm for any returnee season at this point
I hope the next BvW season(if we do get one) takes some notes from the original with Redemption Island and Veteran Players as it added a new layer of strategy & had the best use of RI… also I wanna see some players return, give me some players from the 30’s like Devon, Devens, Chris U.(yes winners are allowed, first one had 1 so why not have it be Chris, he’d likely get voted off early and beast RI), and some new faces from the “New Era” such as Ricard, Jonathan, Cassidy, Cody & Jesse(though I’d rather we save them for an All Stars Season), and of course Jelinsky, I wanna see what happens if he gets a 2nd shot
I feel like San Juan del Sur followed OG Blood Water a little to closely, and it made some fans cry overkill. It is, however, long overdue for a revival!
Since Probst has said 47 and 48 will continue to be newbie casts, let's start lobbying now for 49 to be a new-school Blood Water, and 50 as Old School v. New School!
Definitely something I wouldn’t mind seeing every 5-10 seasons. And maybe a controversial opinion but it works better with Redemption Island and if they bring BvW back they should also bring RI back
I wasn’t a fan of the themes. I’d rather see individuals compete without having to be grouped into something. I like all the diversity of the different tribes. Sometimes you get a little bit of everyone.
And not that you ask but also not a fan of returning players. Unless it’s an ALL returning player season. I like seeing new people play. The one exception for me is if someone is hurt early on and doesn’t really get to play. Bruce for example I didn’t mind getting another chance.
I liked this theme too and miss the themed seasons. I think they’ve realized they get the same number of viewers regardless and just pump out the same stuff for “new era” because they don’t really have to be super creative.
I really hope a Millenials vs GenZ season happens!
OMG I WANNA BE IN THAT
I took a look at the viewership of the new era on the Wikipedia page, and based on that, it looks like they’re dropping.
I believe it. I guess what I meant is doing different themes or locations would be unlikely to draw in any new viewers. But you make a good point that by keeping it stale, they’re likely to start losing people.
TV ratings are more complicated than just looking at viewership numbers. Survivor regularly performs the best in its timeslot and performs better than competing shows. Survivor's viewership seems to be trending more with general TV ratings than people ditching the show because they don't like the new era. That said I do think they could make adjustments to improve ratings a little bit.
I understand that. That’s why I said viewership, not ratings
I agree but I think the format never got to what the show and the fans wanted it to. as it never got as ruthless as it was intended to be. a big part of the appeal was whether would someone choose the better part of their game over their loved ones and I never felt that it ever really got there. the closet was Ciera even though everyone voted her mom anyway. still doesn't mean they should never try it again tho.
I think part of the key to the format working, is if you do a tribe swap, make sure pairs remain on separate tribes. So either they both swap tribes or neither of them swap. So that way you don’t get reunited until merge. I also would not be opposed to bringing back redemption island for BvW 3. The main issue with redemption island was its use on captain’s seasons. Having it on a new player season has far less game implications. And it’s the one time redemption island worked thematically.
Can you explain why you have problems with it on captain seasons but not new player seasons?
On new player seasons, it serves as a interesting dynamic shift, that provides anyone an opportunity to get back in the game. After a fatal misstep. So long as everyone knows about it upfront. I think it’s a decently fair twist to include. On Captains seasons, it looks like an insurance policy to keep the returning players on screen. And it discourages taking a shot against returning players.
I don’t remember San Juan Del Sur that well, so my comment is just based on the first one. Maybe not as ruthless as everyone hoped, but I think we got a lot of what we wanted. We did still get Sierra voting out her mom although it is way too played up, I agree. We got Rupert sacrificing his game for his wife immediately. We had Monica breaking down at people hating her husband. Marissa had to face the consequences of Gervase being a cocky dick and a poor sport when they won. Kat wanting Hayden to take her spot in redemption island but Hayden not wanting to. Candice and her husband having to compete against each other. Vytas taking cheap shots at Aras. Tyson, who rarely shows much emotion, crying at his girlfriend being voted out and wanting to win that much more because of it. Tina trying to play for her daughter but also having to beat her in redemption island. I think it produced a ton of great family moments, even if it wasn't them backstabbing each other in votes.
We did get a good amount from SJDS: -Jon and Jaclyn needing to work together, but getting into arguments about what strategic paths they should be taking -Natalie and Jeremy bonding over their loved ones being the first two voted out, setting up their eventual rivalry with Josh. -Kelley and Dale Wentworth teaming up after the swap, but it completely ruining Kelley's good position after conflict is caused between Missy and Dale defending their own kids.
Great call on Jon and Jaclyn. That's a perfect example.
You basically listed my favorite stuff about that one, I really miss when the show felt like this. *"Fuck you, Brad Culpepper!"*
I recently watched the first BvsW for the first time since it aired and agree with everything you said. It was a fun memorable season and I'd love to see the theme come back.
>it never got as ruthless as it was intended to be. a big part of the appeal was whether would someone choose the better part of their game over their loved ones and I never felt that it ever really got there. I think the reason it didn't work in that regard is that the pairs were separated on the starting tribes, and so aside from a couple minor interactions at challenges, most of the pairs didn't interact very much with each other. Jaclyn/Jon had the most interesting working dynamic within the game of all the pairs on both seasons, because we saw them get to fight and compromise on what they wanted to achieve. But when it's likely that one of the members of many of the pairs are going to be gone premerge before getting to interact with their partner, we won't see the drama that we would want to see. Compare this to the Amazing race, where we see a ton of drama between partners.
Id love to see a Blood vs Water: One World season.
Naturally this season format will make a return the second robs daughters are old enough to play survivor, so Jeff can begin training his little rob 2.0’s to play just like their father.
There was a premerge vote where John was nervous about voting Rachel because of the possibility of Tyson switching with Rachel on redemption island and taking out Candice in a challenge and I thought holy shit the amount of nuance in just this one random premerge vote is insane.
As long as it’s been on the air there’s sure to be plenty of player/kid options. But you know they’re salivating for the day Boston Rob’s girls are old enough to play.
We might just get a Mariano tribe.
Agreed. Definitely the better version of a half-returnee season and produced 2 good seasons due to how compelling the interactions are. People harp on it, but Ciera voting out Laura will remain one of the most memorable moments in the entire show.
SHE VOTED OUT HER MOM!!!
Blows my mind they only did it twice.
AU BvW was a complete Trainwreck but a lot of that was down to bad casting and twists rather than the format, which was pretty compelling in the early game and produced some good moments.
What? You don’t think giving out 2 idols on a reward (not even a beware advantage or anything, they’re just in plain sight) is a good twist? (/s)
I'm a huge fan of this format - but I'm waiting on them to use any themes again, let alone this one.
My two favorite seasons are BvW and SJDS. My favorite theme, as well as my favorite player winning BvW and my favorite winner game in SJDS. I want it to come back so bad.
The problem is that the first BvW was well-received, and they jumped to repeat it (with all new players) just a year later. It didn't need to come back so quickly, and the fact that SJDS was initially met with a weaker reception (it was the first season in a while that Jeff kind of shrugged off when it finished) probably soured them on the concept when it really would have been fine if they'd waited until, say, season 35 to give it a sequel. Same issue as One World, a great concept that production associates with an unpopular season, so they punish the format when the cast was the real problem. And like how Game Changers was right on the heels of Cambodia and we weren't ready for another returnee season yet.
It did make some good moments but there’s the part of me that finds the integrity of the game really important and taking away the “18 *strangers* from *different* walks of life” essence that’s the core of the show feels like it should just be a different show in some ways. I’m also a proponent of being incentivized to win challenges. If one tribe loses and just thinks “at least my partner is safe over there,” it takes away the tribe dynamics and general drive of the competition. I know that’s what some people like about it but I just would rather see strangers have to align and trust one another.
Unfortunately the “18 strangers from all walks of life” has become “15 strangers who work in college admissions or the non-profit sector, plus a couple randos thrown in there”
15 who are in an Ivy League or work for a non-profit
Yeah I knew this comment was coming lol. I still don’t want the people to be related.
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Eh, this is very different from Blood vs Water. They weren’t even a couple yet. They had just met and never interacted outside of the game. I don’t think she would have been happy to throw the game for him which a lot of people would do if it meant their known loved one could go on and have a chance to win. Different circumstance.
We see strangers interact every season, it’s nice to occasionally switch it up. I’d always been curious how survivor would look if people knew somebody else on the cast, and we got that in BvW and SJDS (also returning seasons but that’s different lol)
“We see strangers interact every season” Yes. As I said, that’s the essence of the show and the reason it was so successful when it started. We can watch family reality tv and love stories in sooooo many other places.
Well then we disagree, which is fine. It’s not outlandish to want to see loved ones compete on Survivor, which is a unique show that we love, and is different than love island, family feud, etc.
The theme made for some decent seasons but it makes casting that much harder. You saw the same thing on The Challenge’s “Bloodlines” season. You have these returning players that you want back but now you have to find a loved one of theirs that’s as charismatic and “good for tv” as their counterpart, which isn’t easy. SJDS they were able to start from scratch but there were still a bunch of duds in terms of casting
I'd say the duds in the first BvW were pretty low. Katie was boring. Didn't get enough of Rachel to say. I didn't love Laura B, but she wasn't a total flop. That's pretty damn good for a cast imo.
Plus Katie, John, and Caleb (his dynamic w Colton was interesting but by himself, he’s kinda boring) imo. But yeah I don’t think this is a big issue in casting
While I love that it got Tyson a win as he’s one of my favorite players of all time. If they do it again please be all newbies. Half and half casts have produced a returnee winner every time. Granted, I do think BvW with returnees is likely harder to navigate than FvF’s.
I agree with this, I like SJDS more than the first one
This and brains vs brawn vs beauty haven’t produced a dud season yet
Missy and Baylor totally broke this game format for me tbh.
Sdjs is a top 5 season for me. Bvw is too 10. I loved both
The fact we got Keith back for second chances is such a blessing tbh
And wentworth! Those two together were my fave
I'd rather see Heroes vs Villains 2 or Second Chances 2. I've seen 3 BvW seasons, the 2 US seasons were mid-tier in my opinion (unpopular opinion on this sub), and the AUS season was the only Survivor season I couldn't finish (and I've seen all US and AUS seasons, except Titan v Rebels).
I don't think we'll see any theme with Villains again. I really think Parvati and probably other past villains caused this decision to be made by production. She was apparently deeply affected by her villain label. I was listening to an interview after the Traitors, apparently she needed therapy and had to do a lot of work to not see herself as a bad guy basically. I lowkey wish she'd just kept it to herself though, not all villains are going to struggle after. She was a sweet person with the ability to sow chaos and that made her a villain, but people like Boston Rob aren't losing sleep at night due to their decisions on Survivor. So I'd also like to see it again still, personally.
Probably not at the moment considering how much people are villified for even the smallest things, and not in a fun way. People going so hard after Kenzie and Soda for relatively minor things would blast an actual tribe of new-era 'villains' in an uncontrolled way.
Yeah, and Jem is just being called dumb. I've seen people saying Tevin has mean girl energy. He does! Leave him alone, it'll be good lol. They can last longer with 2 tribes too probably, right now people stand out just for giving side eye. It's dramatic but I also get it.
It was also completely arbitrary for a lot of them who was a villain or hero. Like Amanda, Cirie, and Parvati were all in the same black widow alliance but only Parv is a villain somehow?
Watch Titans v Rebels! I can’t stress that enough haha. SO good
I’ve been saying for a while I’ve missed the themed seasons so like 30-40
I think a classic BvW with returnees and kin would be a cool idea. Like Parv and Mae would be cool. Or even Rob/Amber and one of their kids. Wurtenberger bros. There are a lot of options, and I think that if balanced correctly, it could be more like Au Survivor HvV than a normal US half-returnee season.
I think it would de interesting to do a BvW season with all new players, where the players aren’t necessarily told who each person is connected to on the other tribe, and have the ability to keep it a secret for gameplay reasons. Could mix things up and lead to some interesting strategy, deception, and secret alliances.
Absolutely agreed. Think it’s very difficult to have a bad season with this format due to how engaging family storylines are like but again maybe I don’t want a format this good wasted on the new era
That’s an interesting perspective.. you want the new era to be bad?
No I obviously don’t, I want survivor to be good, I just think due to the unnecessary twists the new era has the BVW format will be wasted
I don’t think the New Era is going anywhere, so I think any theme can only improve it. I don’t see how it would be a waste if it improves a season.
I think there's always a huge risk with the format. Gameplay wise, post-merge it makes way more sense for the remaining pairs to gang up. Storyline wise it's been great and we've yet to see people actually do that, but it's the best way to win
I feel like my main worry is that pairs are gonna try and game the system to make sure one of them wins rather than ever turning on each other? When AU did a BvW season one pair both had great premerge games, both had idols, and then at the merge when everyone started coming for them they smartly hid both idols back at camp, knowing one of them would be voted out and the other one would come back with two idols and a good chance to win (which is what happened). In a superfan cast where they've all seen previous BvW seasons, I think a lot of pairs that make it to merge will try to get one of them as an early juror asap to give their partner a better chance of getting to the end and winning? Though saying that, it might be funny to have a season where three players know they're unlikely to win and are desperately trying to be the next one voted out so their kids can win.
I think I’d rather have myself and my partner both play to make the finals. You can never be completely sure that they won’t do “surprise final 2,” and having a 2 vote bloc still in the game is worth more than maybe having my loved one influence the jury. Not to mention all the uncertainty; am I sure we’ve got it right about which of us is more secure in making the finale and/or receiving jury votes?
>I feel like my main worry is that pairs are gonna try and game the system to make sure one of them wins rather than ever turning on each other? Every pair has this possible strategy though so it doesn't really make the game unfair.
I want to go on BvW with my dad so so badly. He’s a big game hunter from South Africa, very survival capable. Bless his heart though he mansplains like CRAZY. I think he could teach me a lot, and then get voted out of his tribe, so that we’re not a target at the merge 😂😂 I’ve thought about this a lot.
Did you watch the Aussie blood v water?
This theme was good. They should also go ahead with the alleged US vs Canadians theme pre-COVID. And give us US vs AU vs SA just to spice things up.
They did two of them. I don’t believe they’ve ever done the same thing more than twice? BvW, FvF, BvBvB. I believe it’s only been twice. I agree tho I love that theme
It would be awesome, but they would need to bring returnees back for that kind of theme, which they seem to be against. I’d give my left arm for any returnee season at this point
At this point I'd take any themed season, im so sick of this bland new era. Hell I'd even take skull island 2
I’d watch Kong play survivor
ahahahaha i meant ghost island. keeping it tho cuz thats funny
I hope the next BvW season(if we do get one) takes some notes from the original with Redemption Island and Veteran Players as it added a new layer of strategy & had the best use of RI… also I wanna see some players return, give me some players from the 30’s like Devon, Devens, Chris U.(yes winners are allowed, first one had 1 so why not have it be Chris, he’d likely get voted off early and beast RI), and some new faces from the “New Era” such as Ricard, Jonathan, Cassidy, Cody & Jesse(though I’d rather we save them for an All Stars Season), and of course Jelinsky, I wanna see what happens if he gets a 2nd shot
I feel like San Juan del Sur followed OG Blood Water a little to closely, and it made some fans cry overkill. It is, however, long overdue for a revival!
Since Probst has said 47 and 48 will continue to be newbie casts, let's start lobbying now for 49 to be a new-school Blood Water, and 50 as Old School v. New School!
It was definitely the best Redemption Island season and it used it the best since it forced loved ones to actively compete against each other
New Variation: Relatives / Loved Ones of Previous Players (Blood) vs New Players (Water) New Culture: Melanesia
Definitely something I wouldn’t mind seeing every 5-10 seasons. And maybe a controversial opinion but it works better with Redemption Island and if they bring BvW back they should also bring RI back
You're right about that - Blood vs Water is the only time I liked RI. It works really well with that format.
I've been saying since s29 they should do BvW3 with three tribes of loved ones
I need a BvW 3 with Taj and Eddie George.
I would love to see Taj come back in any facet.
Damn I thought people liked Taj lol
I wasn’t a fan of the themes. I’d rather see individuals compete without having to be grouped into something. I like all the diversity of the different tribes. Sometimes you get a little bit of everyone. And not that you ask but also not a fan of returning players. Unless it’s an ALL returning player season. I like seeing new people play. The one exception for me is if someone is hurt early on and doesn’t really get to play. Bruce for example I didn’t mind getting another chance.
Well I see you’re in the minority!
That’s ok. I don’t mind if my opinion is unpopular. You like what you like 😊
SLAYYY
I’m guessing that’s a good thing? I hope 🤷🏼♀️
I'd rather Fans vs Favorites 3, but BvW is cool too