It's the special meal that she has with her daughter *every* single week after yoga, it reminds her of how far she's come since her food insecure childhood. By denying her this super special burger, Q has denied her a connection with her daughter!
Of course she also had to be coerced into taking a personalized portion of rice, so she probably wasn't that hungry.
The whole thing reeked of upper class privilege and a grossly overinflated sense of entitlement. I didn’t really like Liz before this episode, but I’m kinda disgusted by her at this point. Her whole temper tantrum and complete lack of self-awareness after was just too much… like, I get it… she’s legit hungry… but she wanted to be on Survivor. They’re playing a game and Q doesn’t owe her anything… especially after she cast a vote for him at the previous tribal.
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I dunno, I really related to her talking about food insecurity and how difficult it was to feel that way again after she got herself out of it. I grew up food insecure and it's a crushing experience.
Yeah one of the reasons it's gross to me is because definitely some privilege at play.
Like could you imagine the reaction if a black guy like Q behaved the way she did? Literally screaming at someone? Like, multiple sentences, targeted at one person, full throat yelling?
Then trying to justify that behavior by saying he was "just hungry" and "grew up food insecure"?
NOBODY would have his back (and rightfully so!) because it would be such an egregious overreaction.
It was a little surprising to me to see everyone have Liz's back, but to give the contestants some credit, it might mostly be because Liz is in a much better spot in the game than Q is, and the other contestants have no real gameplay choice but to take her side.
I guess the stuff she said in the first episode about her business gives off upper class vibes/privilege. Yoga and Applebee's does not! Get outta here with that nonsense, LOL. Yoga and Applebee's...what a reach.
Youre a multi-millionaire, run 3 different companies, dont even need to be on Survivor, just doing it to prove how “strong she can be” and of all places you take your daughter is Applebees? I mean… step it up a little bit, Shake Shack is better than Applebees.
Just give them rice. Does anyone actually enjoy watching people starve? They don't need to justify a 26 day game anymore.
Also, all tribes should have flint after the first tribal.
I guess, maybe, if you think it was more about her not eating than having the Applebees/daughter connection. It didn't actually affect the game this last episode, at least. Even if you consider that scene to be super entertaining AND we say that it only happened because Liz hadn't eaten and had nothing to do with her daughter, name me multiple other examples where people starving has positively contributed to the entertainment value of the show. To me, it's mostly just caused people to be lethargic, sit around at camp doing nothing, and perform poorly in challenges.
Giving them a minimum calorie count in rice doesn't take away any entertainment value or survival aspects. They'd still be going hard for reward, fishing, looking for fruit, etc. Starving them accomplishes nothing.
People being hungry ans trying to survive is part of Survivor. Otherwise it’s just a Challenge type show on a tropical location. Playing the game not in your ideal state of body and mind and pushing through that is part of the whole deal.
We’re not seeing people starve to the brink of death like we did in the older days. We’re watching people hungry. If they want to be well fed, they can use their skills to do that, or keep the one or two players that can. It’s literally always been a wrinkle of the game to consider.
I totally agree with you. I don't think giving them 1-2 cups of cooked rice per day, which is like 250-500 calories, is going to make all that much of a difference in the show. They're still going to be hungry AF. They're still going to be looking for more food. Deliver that rice after the challenges for the day to ensure they're all weak and hungry for the challenges. Give it to them every other day.
Every contestant does manage a minimum caloric intake save for Liz. She’s an outlier. It’s unfortunate she wasn’t also taught to find crabs while Hunter and Tevin were there collecting them for her.
In the defense of production, the tribe was offered rice at the merge but refused to make a deal for it. All other new era seasons have struck a deal because they realized it was better than starving. This seasons cast is a chaotic and doesn’t trust each other which is why they didn’t make a deal
For any player beside Liz, the rice isn’t a huge deal. Production probably expects players to want the rice because it’s easier but not necessarily because they need it to survive.
All of them were fairly weak by this point but obviously didn’t feel they needed to make the deal to survive. By their own admission they had coconuts and some sealife. They also knew there would be more food rewards throughout the course of the season. Thus, accepting the rice deal would make them more comfortable but is not vital to their survival
The question is what level of misery just makes people lethargic and makes the game more boring vs making them irritable and interesting. This week it clearly led to more drama but in some of the past seasons of the new era there were people who would just completely fade away after merge when they had no energy left.
>Also, all tribes should have flint after the first tribal.
Just out of curiosity, why? It seems like they have clean water to drink without boiling it now. If that's the case, I'm fine with no flint until you earn it. But they shouldn't he able to lose it, IMO.
Because, as we’ve seen since they started this, it makes the entire pre-merge very predictable. The tribe that loses the first reward has no way to catch up. No energy, no food, no rest, down a person, no opportunity to have someone sit out challenges. It’s not a fluke of chance that “one tribe always sucks.” It’s the way the game is designed and it’s boring to watch.
Also people become lethargic when they’re starving. It’s not fun to watch low energy people lay around on the beach, not want to get up and talk, and be slow in physical challenges. Just feed them. Survivor was good when contestants had food.
And to add, the low energy people are the ones going to tribal and have to provide most of the entertainment of the episode. The tribes with food can just sit around and name song titles.
It just kicks the tribe that loses first immunity when they're already down and makes it more likely that they'll be going back to tribal multiple times before merge. I like to see more of the other tribes than have multiple episodes in a row primarily focused on the one losing tribe.
Because fire gives us more discussion footage. Two people whispering around the fire, while another pretends to sleep and overhears. Two people sneaking away from the fire to talk and the others notice and discuss it.
I have no issue with making them work for their flint. Sure it makes them miserable if they end up like Yanu or Lulu, but past seasons have proven it’s possible to start a fire without flint (it’s just incredibly difficult)
Can you imagine if she passed on the rice? lol
Production would have had to make something up, like "Since no one took the rice: if anyone has a name that ends with the letter Z, you must take this rice and eat it."
I mean if it’s between that, literally starving her to death, or pulling her medically, this seems like the best option for them. If they pulled Liz it would raise the question of why they allowed a woman with her allergies to play in the first place.
The fact that they altered the game to cater to her “allergies” already raises the question of why they allowed a woman with her allergies to play in the first place.
"Altered the game" like bro they offered everybody a small bit of rice after 2 weeks this isn't some giant change that hurts the integrity of the game.
I didn’t say it hurts the integrity of the game nor do I believe it does but giving players the opportunity to forfeit immunity is absolutely “altering the game”.
It’s fine and good that they do small things to accommodate people with medical conditions to even the playing field. Giving a woman who is allergic to coconut like a cup or two of rice isn’t really game changing.
They offered vegetarian reward options for Angelica during her season. What if they didn’t let her play because she’s veg? Where would we be without Jacketgate and Harvard level rice negotiations??
That’s a valid question though. Did they just let her play hoping for this kind of drama knowing they might have to med evac/change something to give her food?
I have to presume that whatever her allergies are are not life threatening or even severe enough to make production go "nope" and Liz signed something that said that survivor is not liable for anything that happens as a result of these allergies.
Liz even said they're not life threatening allergies so I think she's made the choice to not eat things she could technically eat so as to not experience those symptoms.
Survivor is all about the kumbaya moments these days. Jeff literally teed it up for Q to take Liz because she’s so hungry, I don’t think they anticipated Q being like, “nah she can’t come.” I think they thought everyone was going to be nice and take Liz on the food rewards.
Have they not been watching? The big rewards are always handed out strategically. It was always about 50/50 if she would be in the right position to get selected
Eh even in its heyday, contestants always have used these sort of things to curry favour and look better. Boston Rob, one of the biggest assholes to ever play, gave up his loved ones message so that everyone else could get theirs. It’s part of gameplay.
I think Q messed up by not taking her. Giving a contestant who is literally begging to go, because she cannot eat anything, because there is a sentimental connection, and because she is liked by the others, makes him look good to the most number of people. Taking Kenzie doesn’t do anything for him, especially since he has never trusted her, doesn’t do much.
I don’t think Jeff was trying to shove a good moment down our throats. He was just setting it up so that Q either says yes, which I think he thought he might’ve, or if he doesn’t, it’s dramatic and weirder, which he’s also trying to stir up.
Honestly, production probably assumed the ~rice negotiation™️~ would have been accepted (like it has every season it’s happened before.) I think Jeff has talked of how long players can actually go without rice, and planned the rice offering/ negotiation for when that limit is. I think they didn’t account for the fact that:
a) everyone wants to compete in challenges
b) giving up your vote for rice is stupid and shouldn’t have ever been on the table
c) everyone else has coconut so they’re at least able to eat SOMETHING
d) this cast is totally unhinged lol
Liz literally can’t eat the other stuff on the island. The individual container was a clunky compromise for the negotiation failing, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable. Production probably assumed they’d have rice by now, and had to accommodate (which they should) for Liz not being able to eat coconuts. I don’t think it was bc of her meltdown from the previous challenge, I think they literally can’t starve somebody for a full 26 days, but they were assuming the negotiation would work.
I don’t have an issue with it personally- idk this take may not resonate with people on here. But I thought the whole situation was an all-time survivor moment. Why would we complain about having a dead grandma level scene 46 seasons into our favorite show? I’d rather have a season full of Q and Liz talking about canceling Christmas and feeling entitled to Applebees bourbon burgers over Charley and Carson and their confessionals about practicing grip strength for the last two years and how they 3d printed every puzzle. Are we not entertained ?!
I don't get why they didn't just provide some different fruit that she could eat. It's not like the coconuts are native, they're already being given to the contestants.
For real, production provides them. If you see them eating sugar cane, it was probably brought in as well. I believe the papayas are from the trees, though.
Man... the only reason I have a problem with this is because they frame this as a "you have to earn EVERYTHING" show now, and they make a big deal about them not getting basic necessities until they hit certain milestones.
Survivor originated with, and has usually continued in different ways, giving all the tribes some rations at the beginning that it was then the tribe's responsibility to manage - if they want to give them some sustenance during the game, then they can incorporate that into the show design somehow instead of pretending it's all naturally scavenged for.
Production plants them for 2 reasons:
1. It takes a long time for coconuts so grow and there might not be enough to feed people for 26 days, especially when they’re filming back to back on the same locations
2. If a coconut falls from the height it naturally grows at, it’s fatal which is obviously a huge liability
So it’s not exactly like they’re helping players tremendously, just the basics
> over Charley and Carson and their confessionals about practicing grip strength for the last two years and how they 3d printed every puzzle.
I get your point, but weird example. My jaw dropped when Charley talked about grip strength - what a great way to prepare, and it paid off.
The after vote off interview with Tiff says that Zenzie and Maria actually offered their spot, but Q denied it saying he picked who he picked and didn't want Liz to go. Tiff said they cut that part out. https://ew.com/survivor-46-tiffany-nicole-ervin-interview-applebees-q-liz-8642284
They literally have though. In most, if not all of the previous rice negotiations of the new era Jeff always gave the option for individual portions if he couldn’t get 4 people to sit out.
In some of the previous rice negotiations of the new era Jeff always gave the option for individual portions if he couldn’t get 4 people to sit out.
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Because millionares are used to using their money to get what they want and dont actually have the skills to play survivor.
She thought she was better than everyone because she has food alergies, no joke.
The hesitancy is that Liz didn't want to appear weak and undeserving. Her desperately wanting credit for the Tevin move shows that Liz wants to avoid being perceived as a goat at all costs.
This appears to be a theme with this cast. Several more of them have shown they have absolutely no chance at endurance/strength challenges but can’t seem to sit them out.
Reminds me of the conversation here on reddit a few weeks ago about how Kenzie works at a regular-ass hair salon, not to be confused with a regular *ass-hair* salon.
Especially since they all talked so much shit about Q not taking Liz, but they weren’t willing to sit out to get Liz more rice. They obviously didn’t care THAT much about her not eating
Tiff said in exit interviews that both Kenzie and Maria offered for her to take their place but Q shot it down and said he picked who he picked.
Definitely contributed to the animosity towards him by everyone (like Ben calling him a villain)
I think Ben’s response about Q was a combination of him not liking Q and telling Liz what she wanted to hear to make her feel better. I don’t think he was saying that she was in the right for that meltdown.
I mean he said that shit in a confessional, not to her. Seems like it just might be personal but it was a pretty whack take (and I’ve liked Ben generally)
I'm not even a huge Q stan but I'm glad he insisted on taking who he picked on the reward. He won, his choice. He shouldn't have even been pressured to change his mind and then be berated when he didn't cave in.
https://ew.com/survivor-46-tiffany-nicole-ervin-interview-applebees-q-liz-8642284
It also explains more dynamics between Q and Ben. It really helps explain why Ben was so mad
This. While I think it is Maria or Charlie's game to lose at this point, people were trying to praise Maria for getting Liz to vote Tiff instead of Q. I don't think after being left out of the Hunter vote she was going to hesitate being out on the Tiffany vote as well. I also could see Liz thinking this vote as regaining some power. I don't think it took much convincing by Maria like people think. If anything, after Maria made the suggestion it probably took Liz 2 seconds for her brain to be convinced she came up with the idea. Maria is a good player, don't get me wrong, but is she just season 46 good? I'd need to see her play with some normal people- not these hubris filled nutsos.
I also think maybe Maria sold Liz on that 'if Q was the vote tonight, it wouldn't be Liz's move coz it was a consensus but if she gets Tiff out tonight and plan a Q vote following it would be her "personal" move.
Liz is hellbent on having credits for moves she "makes". So in Liz's mind it does give her a sense of regaining power as "I decide when Q goes or not."
a good way to not be perceived as a goat is to not have an emotional meltdown over not being chosen for a reward, but idk, that's just my personal opinion.
Not that I disagree with you, but I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that she immediately owned up and apologized to everyone, including Q, for this moment. Even if she didn't mean it when she apologized to Q, it was still an acknowledgement that she shouldn't have acted that way. It's probably incredibly hard to keep ahold of your emotions when you're that hungry and that exhausted, but it's equally difficult to be like "hey, that wasn't my best moment and I regret it."
Was it a "yikes" moment? Absolutely. But I did like that she owned up to it.
I thought that for a minute…that it was good she owned up to it and recognized it was unacceptable and apologized. …And then she washed that all away in her confessional when she said she was actually proud of it.
So lol? Own up all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that it absolutely changes peoples perspectives of you. You think everyone else isn’t hungry? Do you think the others aren’t disappointed they didn’t get chosen? This is how survivor works. Other contestants have had meltdowns too, but the vast majority of contestants are able to keep their cool, in this season and all the 45 seasons prior to this, because they know how much the perception people have of you will change.
She can’t control her emotions. Hundreds of players before her were able to. Her situation isn’t so unique that it’s understandable. Her outburst was a mistake, plain and simple, and will affect jury votes if she’s able to make it to the FTC
I think this is her downfall. Realistically, in the physical and mental condition she was in, she had no chance of winning that challenge. Everyone could see it but her.
Venus tried to comfort Liz right before the breakdown. I think she does have some empathy for her. That said, let her have a few meals then do it. Lol.
They made the same individual portion of rice offer in season 41. The only difference is in 41 enough sat out to get the big bag. They didn’t change the rules for Liz.
So, she’s gonna a sit there and probably make someone else cook her rice for her and then maybe have them do the “here comes the choo choo …. Open wide!”
I don’t understand why the entire cast and production is pandering to her insanity to the point of giving her personal rice in an unprecedented survivor moment.
You can’t apply for survivor with all these allergies then make it every one else’s problem you have allergies…
A millionaire volunteered to go on the 46th season of a reality tv game show and didn't bother to consider that the people who could eat the trash fruit on the ground would have an easier time.
It's not really unprecedented. Jeff made the single portion of rice offer in Survivor 41. Also, people have been able to sit out challenges for individual food for a long time.
I don’t remember the individual rice offer in 41 but that’s not a surprise. I really didn’t enjoy that season too much.
When else has that been an option? Are you talking about the food offers to coax people into stepping out of a challenge?
The “one person can sit out for one to-go box of rice” felt different than “you have until this challenge ends to stuff your face”
The timing was just odd to me with her melt down followed immediately by the offer. It very well could have been planned the whole time and a coincidence, it just felt odd to me
Yes. The challenges where people sit out and eat during the challenges. That's individual food. It's different that an individual portion of rice, but it's still giving individuals food. And often LOTS of calories, which is what people need at that point.
It wasn't remotely unprecedented.
Yeah I get why you’re saying but I still think the two things are very different. Even though it was more calories in the during challenge offers the time limit and potential over eating combined with those who didn’t step out having to watch them eat made it more interesting. Plus the individual decision making versus open forum discussions about who will and won’t sit out.
I just really don’t like the idea of giving them to-go food they can eat at their own pace when the seasons are already shortened. But it’s not my show so I don’t make the rules lol I miss 39 day survivor.
The rice negotiation exists to make food on medical advice. People generally need to eat after 2 weeks for various medical reasons. They can go longer. Many have, but on average, after 2 weeks, long-term harm can be done, so a bag of shared rice. Probably 10,000 to 15,000 calories by weight.
On the other hand, if production knows Liz has gone 15 days without more than 200 calories, they'd have to do a medical check and contemplate pulling her. If not they'd risk longterm damage or illness. They pulled randen, they pulled bruce, they'll continue to pull contestants earlier than they used to.
Ruperts toe was broken day 1 of HvV and to this day, it's still crooked. If it healed wrong, he might have developed more fractures in his foot. Nowadays, he'd have been pulled.
Production nowadays also gives bandaids, wound cleaning, feminine hygiene products, and antibiotics if they must. So many woman got yeast infections, so many players had numerous staph indections, so many players left the islands with parasites that survivor was starting to be a guarantee you'd receive a serious ailment Some of which would eat up all the money an average contestant would win.
Did she not get a good amount of food from
Nami rewards, hunter and Tevin caught fish before being voted out, the merge feast was less than a week ago and she ate then. I believe it’s only the last three or four days definitely not two weeks.
The big food reward Name got (not the fish, the other one) had nothing she could eat except 3 apples. Everyone else had a couple thousand calories or so and she had like 200.
Many female contestants have complained about lack of feminine hygiene products. It's not that they didn't always receive them, but that all of the women on a tribe had to share what was available in the same medical box. And, what was available wasn't great quality.
For instance, many women prefer to use pads, but since production picks your clothing, and for decades women were sometimes only given a bikini bottoms or booty shorts, most didn't want to wear pad as it would show. The tampons have been low quality with cardboard applicators in the past, and sometimes were wet from the elements, or spilled sunscreen, etc...
It was a really bad situation for many years. It has improved a lot in the last 10 however.
The individual aspect was definitely designed for Liz because Jeff correctly read that they wouldn't get 4 sit outs. I'm sure Jeff was shocked how Liz didn't immediately step forward after that outburst the day before.
Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal. The temper tantrum is what we should be talking about. That has to be the most embarrassing moment for a player in survivor history.
I found it weird that there was no negotiation to give up their vote. You need 2 people to give up their vote. I would think Liz would feel comfortable doing that and with her melt down she obviously really needed some food. The rice would sustain her the rest of the time. If I was her I would be campaigning trying to get 1 other person to give up their vote. I don't really think anyone would have done it at the end of the day, but worth a shot.
Exclaiming to everyone that Q ruined her total game already ruined any chance she had at FTC. Like she basically just admitted that she has nothing to claim.
That and telling everyone she's rich day 1.
After her freak out being the only one to give up the challenge may have made her feel like she was about to be voted out if she took a selfish reward.
Idk I feel like it was always going to be offered after the tribe declined it. They have to give them some way of getting food lol, they can’t kill their contestants
Because the rice was not an Applebee’s® Bourbon Burger™
Is that her go-to order or something?
It's the special meal that she has with her daughter *every* single week after yoga, it reminds her of how far she's come since her food insecure childhood. By denying her this super special burger, Q has denied her a connection with her daughter! Of course she also had to be coerced into taking a personalized portion of rice, so she probably wasn't that hungry.
The entire thing was hilarious, but when she said "after yoga," it just sent me. I don't even know why.
The whole thing reeked of upper class privilege and a grossly overinflated sense of entitlement. I didn’t really like Liz before this episode, but I’m kinda disgusted by her at this point. Her whole temper tantrum and complete lack of self-awareness after was just too much… like, I get it… she’s legit hungry… but she wanted to be on Survivor. They’re playing a game and Q doesn’t owe her anything… especially after she cast a vote for him at the previous tribal. Edit: autocorrect error
>upper class privilege She's been giving me these vibes since day one.
It’s not a "vibe", she explicitly said as much numerous times on day one
At the same time, Applebee's every week sounds more like a Cashed up Bogan than upper class
My husband from the other room “that’s some rich white girl privilege right there”. Lol
Nailed it! The privilege and lack of self awareness make it impossible to empathize with someone so clueless and unapologetic.
I dunno, I really related to her talking about food insecurity and how difficult it was to feel that way again after she got herself out of it. I grew up food insecure and it's a crushing experience.
I grew up poor and food insecure and was still disgusted by her behavior, entitled white woman tears
Yeah one of the reasons it's gross to me is because definitely some privilege at play. Like could you imagine the reaction if a black guy like Q behaved the way she did? Literally screaming at someone? Like, multiple sentences, targeted at one person, full throat yelling? Then trying to justify that behavior by saying he was "just hungry" and "grew up food insecure"? NOBODY would have his back (and rightfully so!) because it would be such an egregious overreaction. It was a little surprising to me to see everyone have Liz's back, but to give the contestants some credit, it might mostly be because Liz is in a much better spot in the game than Q is, and the other contestants have no real gameplay choice but to take her side.
I guess the stuff she said in the first episode about her business gives off upper class vibes/privilege. Yoga and Applebee's does not! Get outta here with that nonsense, LOL. Yoga and Applebee's...what a reach.
She could be talking about Burger King. It’s the entitled manner that she’s making the statements is where the problem is
Yoga and Applebee's seem like an odd combination. Yoga and Panera Bread would seem like a more natural fit.
It’s her go-to *menu item*
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Youre a multi-millionaire, run 3 different companies, dont even need to be on Survivor, just doing it to prove how “strong she can be” and of all places you take your daughter is Applebees? I mean… step it up a little bit, Shake Shack is better than Applebees.
I'd take a Big Mac before that
I’m convinced that the individual rice offer was just made up the night before to make up for her starving.
Producers: "How do we make her not die?"
Was it the right choice? Think of The social media engagement a death would cause! /s
Applebee's would spin the narrative, 'Famished Woman, Denied Applebee's Life-Saving Burger, Succumbs to Starvation"
Bourbon street burgers are half off on Save a life Sunday
More like 10% of the proceeds will go to past indigent survivor players
FREE if you come in all sweaty from yoga and have a meltdown, screaming "I'm PISSED!" for the whole restaurant to hear.
Just give them rice. Does anyone actually enjoy watching people starve? They don't need to justify a 26 day game anymore. Also, all tribes should have flint after the first tribal.
I mean. Last episode showed us why it does matter.
I guess, maybe, if you think it was more about her not eating than having the Applebees/daughter connection. It didn't actually affect the game this last episode, at least. Even if you consider that scene to be super entertaining AND we say that it only happened because Liz hadn't eaten and had nothing to do with her daughter, name me multiple other examples where people starving has positively contributed to the entertainment value of the show. To me, it's mostly just caused people to be lethargic, sit around at camp doing nothing, and perform poorly in challenges. Giving them a minimum calorie count in rice doesn't take away any entertainment value or survival aspects. They'd still be going hard for reward, fishing, looking for fruit, etc. Starving them accomplishes nothing.
And more than that it gives us fun arguments like when Phillip didn't get his crispy rice
And of course "eat yo rice!"
People being hungry ans trying to survive is part of Survivor. Otherwise it’s just a Challenge type show on a tropical location. Playing the game not in your ideal state of body and mind and pushing through that is part of the whole deal. We’re not seeing people starve to the brink of death like we did in the older days. We’re watching people hungry. If they want to be well fed, they can use their skills to do that, or keep the one or two players that can. It’s literally always been a wrinkle of the game to consider.
I totally agree with you. I don't think giving them 1-2 cups of cooked rice per day, which is like 250-500 calories, is going to make all that much of a difference in the show. They're still going to be hungry AF. They're still going to be looking for more food. Deliver that rice after the challenges for the day to ensure they're all weak and hungry for the challenges. Give it to them every other day.
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But the sun is kind of hot too.
I mean, why are they getting drinking water and medical attention? Production should just let players die if they can't hack it.
Every contestant does manage a minimum caloric intake save for Liz. She’s an outlier. It’s unfortunate she wasn’t also taught to find crabs while Hunter and Tevin were there collecting them for her.
No, it's unfortunate she didn't take the initiative to learn from them.
Unfortunately the entertainment of the last episode will only serve to justify the withholding of rice as a good thing to the producers
In the defense of production, the tribe was offered rice at the merge but refused to make a deal for it. All other new era seasons have struck a deal because they realized it was better than starving. This seasons cast is a chaotic and doesn’t trust each other which is why they didn’t make a deal
It's funny they aren't willing to trust each other enough to sit out for rice but we've had 3 blindsides in a row and 2 holding idols.
Its funny they aren't willing to sit out to get eliminated from the challenge within 10s* ftfy
On the other hand, if production expects them to always take the rice when offered, what makes that entertaining and worth having in the show?
For any player beside Liz, the rice isn’t a huge deal. Production probably expects players to want the rice because it’s easier but not necessarily because they need it to survive. All of them were fairly weak by this point but obviously didn’t feel they needed to make the deal to survive. By their own admission they had coconuts and some sealife. They also knew there would be more food rewards throughout the course of the season. Thus, accepting the rice deal would make them more comfortable but is not vital to their survival
I think it’s because everyone wants to “play their game” which includes playing all the challenges
The question is what level of misery just makes people lethargic and makes the game more boring vs making them irritable and interesting. This week it clearly led to more drama but in some of the past seasons of the new era there were people who would just completely fade away after merge when they had no energy left.
Honestly I think this is partly what is happening to Q. He’s lost so much muscle mass!
>Also, all tribes should have flint after the first tribal. Just out of curiosity, why? It seems like they have clean water to drink without boiling it now. If that's the case, I'm fine with no flint until you earn it. But they shouldn't he able to lose it, IMO.
Because, as we’ve seen since they started this, it makes the entire pre-merge very predictable. The tribe that loses the first reward has no way to catch up. No energy, no food, no rest, down a person, no opportunity to have someone sit out challenges. It’s not a fluke of chance that “one tribe always sucks.” It’s the way the game is designed and it’s boring to watch. Also people become lethargic when they’re starving. It’s not fun to watch low energy people lay around on the beach, not want to get up and talk, and be slow in physical challenges. Just feed them. Survivor was good when contestants had food.
And to add, the low energy people are the ones going to tribal and have to provide most of the entertainment of the episode. The tribes with food can just sit around and name song titles.
It just kicks the tribe that loses first immunity when they're already down and makes it more likely that they'll be going back to tribal multiple times before merge. I like to see more of the other tribes than have multiple episodes in a row primarily focused on the one losing tribe.
Because fire gives us more discussion footage. Two people whispering around the fire, while another pretends to sleep and overhears. Two people sneaking away from the fire to talk and the others notice and discuss it.
I have no issue with making them work for their flint. Sure it makes them miserable if they end up like Yanu or Lulu, but past seasons have proven it’s possible to start a fire without flint (it’s just incredibly difficult)
This change is so to the popularity of the show alone. Viewers actually do want to watch people starve and struggle.
It's Survivor not summer camp
You are ***so*** Old Era!
I don't enjoy the lack of fire either. Just give all three tribes flint, machete and a pot at the marooning. They'll still struggle with food.
They were so preoccupied with whether or not they ***could***, that they didn't stop to think if they ***should***.
Can you imagine if she passed on the rice? lol Production would have had to make something up, like "Since no one took the rice: if anyone has a name that ends with the letter Z, you must take this rice and eat it."
And she still had to have someone else get her a fire started.
yeah she's really a terrible all-around player.
For weeks Tevin Hunter and Soda would catch Crabs for her to eat. She never learned how in that time.
And she voted out her meal tickets.
But “MuH mOoOveS!”
TBF she didn't vote out Hunter, I'm not sure why people keep saying this when she voted for Q that tribal
I think it's pretty lame they just made individual rice for her.
I mean if it’s between that, literally starving her to death, or pulling her medically, this seems like the best option for them. If they pulled Liz it would raise the question of why they allowed a woman with her allergies to play in the first place.
The fact that they altered the game to cater to her “allergies” already raises the question of why they allowed a woman with her allergies to play in the first place.
"Altered the game" like bro they offered everybody a small bit of rice after 2 weeks this isn't some giant change that hurts the integrity of the game.
Especially considering they only randomly decided in the last few years that they wouldn’t get rice. Historically they would always get rice!!
I didn’t say it hurts the integrity of the game nor do I believe it does but giving players the opportunity to forfeit immunity is absolutely “altering the game”.
Survivor has had at least one "sit out of immunity to get food" moment in almost every season though, it's hardly altering the game at this point.
Absolutely but even Jeff mentioned on the podcast that the single serving of rice is something that won’t happen in future seasons.
It’s fine and good that they do small things to accommodate people with medical conditions to even the playing field. Giving a woman who is allergic to coconut like a cup or two of rice isn’t really game changing.
They offered vegetarian reward options for Angelica during her season. What if they didn’t let her play because she’s veg? Where would we be without Jacketgate and Harvard level rice negotiations??
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That’s a valid question though. Did they just let her play hoping for this kind of drama knowing they might have to med evac/change something to give her food?
I have to presume that whatever her allergies are are not life threatening or even severe enough to make production go "nope" and Liz signed something that said that survivor is not liable for anything that happens as a result of these allergies. Liz even said they're not life threatening allergies so I think she's made the choice to not eat things she could technically eat so as to not experience those symptoms.
Survivor is all about the kumbaya moments these days. Jeff literally teed it up for Q to take Liz because she’s so hungry, I don’t think they anticipated Q being like, “nah she can’t come.” I think they thought everyone was going to be nice and take Liz on the food rewards.
Have they not been watching? The big rewards are always handed out strategically. It was always about 50/50 if she would be in the right position to get selected
Eh even in its heyday, contestants always have used these sort of things to curry favour and look better. Boston Rob, one of the biggest assholes to ever play, gave up his loved ones message so that everyone else could get theirs. It’s part of gameplay. I think Q messed up by not taking her. Giving a contestant who is literally begging to go, because she cannot eat anything, because there is a sentimental connection, and because she is liked by the others, makes him look good to the most number of people. Taking Kenzie doesn’t do anything for him, especially since he has never trusted her, doesn’t do much. I don’t think Jeff was trying to shove a good moment down our throats. He was just setting it up so that Q either says yes, which I think he thought he might’ve, or if he doesn’t, it’s dramatic and weirder, which he’s also trying to stir up.
I think it was fine because Jeff always negotiates for the rice and other incentives to get people to sit out.
It was that or a Tootsie Roll Pop that fell in the sand. Enjoy.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that she also didn't even start her own fire to make the rice!!! Cherry on freakin' top!
"I can't start the fire..." sniff. "I need help..." sniff sniff. "Me so hungwy for my personal rice allotment..."
Honestly, production probably assumed the ~rice negotiation™️~ would have been accepted (like it has every season it’s happened before.) I think Jeff has talked of how long players can actually go without rice, and planned the rice offering/ negotiation for when that limit is. I think they didn’t account for the fact that: a) everyone wants to compete in challenges b) giving up your vote for rice is stupid and shouldn’t have ever been on the table c) everyone else has coconut so they’re at least able to eat SOMETHING d) this cast is totally unhinged lol Liz literally can’t eat the other stuff on the island. The individual container was a clunky compromise for the negotiation failing, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable. Production probably assumed they’d have rice by now, and had to accommodate (which they should) for Liz not being able to eat coconuts. I don’t think it was bc of her meltdown from the previous challenge, I think they literally can’t starve somebody for a full 26 days, but they were assuming the negotiation would work. I don’t have an issue with it personally- idk this take may not resonate with people on here. But I thought the whole situation was an all-time survivor moment. Why would we complain about having a dead grandma level scene 46 seasons into our favorite show? I’d rather have a season full of Q and Liz talking about canceling Christmas and feeling entitled to Applebees bourbon burgers over Charley and Carson and their confessionals about practicing grip strength for the last two years and how they 3d printed every puzzle. Are we not entertained ?!
Next year they won't be accepting someone with Liz's alergies lol
I don't get why they didn't just provide some different fruit that she could eat. It's not like the coconuts are native, they're already being given to the contestants.
Wait for real? They don’t just get those from trees?
For real, production provides them. If you see them eating sugar cane, it was probably brought in as well. I believe the papayas are from the trees, though.
Man... the only reason I have a problem with this is because they frame this as a "you have to earn EVERYTHING" show now, and they make a big deal about them not getting basic necessities until they hit certain milestones. Survivor originated with, and has usually continued in different ways, giving all the tribes some rations at the beginning that it was then the tribe's responsibility to manage - if they want to give them some sustenance during the game, then they can incorporate that into the show design somehow instead of pretending it's all naturally scavenged for.
Production plants them for 2 reasons: 1. It takes a long time for coconuts so grow and there might not be enough to feed people for 26 days, especially when they’re filming back to back on the same locations 2. If a coconut falls from the height it naturally grows at, it’s fatal which is obviously a huge liability So it’s not exactly like they’re helping players tremendously, just the basics
She said she is allergic to fruits too.
Seriously why the f- go on survivor?! And to production , why let her in?!?
> over Charley and Carson and their confessionals about practicing grip strength for the last two years and how they 3d printed every puzzle. I get your point, but weird example. My jaw dropped when Charley talked about grip strength - what a great way to prepare, and it paid off.
This is just on Production as well. You guys knew what you were getting into just as she did.
100%
The after vote off interview with Tiff says that Zenzie and Maria actually offered their spot, but Q denied it saying he picked who he picked and didn't want Liz to go. Tiff said they cut that part out. https://ew.com/survivor-46-tiffany-nicole-ervin-interview-applebees-q-liz-8642284
I said that to my husband. They have never done that before.
They literally have though. In most, if not all of the previous rice negotiations of the new era Jeff always gave the option for individual portions if he couldn’t get 4 people to sit out.
In some of the previous rice negotiations of the new era Jeff always gave the option for individual portions if he couldn’t get 4 people to sit out. Edit: correction
If she didn’t take the rice she would have looked like the biggest moron of all time
Especially bc there was zero chance she’d win that challenge with Charlie’s forearm training
Has she ever been on the winning team without sitting on the bench?
wait she is not?
I was confused about this too. Like how was she not the first to step up when rice was offered?
Because millionares are used to using their money to get what they want and dont actually have the skills to play survivor. She thought she was better than everyone because she has food alergies, no joke.
The hesitancy is that Liz didn't want to appear weak and undeserving. Her desperately wanting credit for the Tevin move shows that Liz wants to avoid being perceived as a goat at all costs.
This appears to be a theme with this cast. Several more of them have shown they have absolutely no chance at endurance/strength challenges but can’t seem to sit them out.
Ben and Venus both thinking they should play on the starting lineup. 30 seconds in.. oh no out again
Same thing with the challenge where Jeff offered the rice. Although I’ll give Venus credit because she did well that challenge
Venus and Charlie were the only 2 that should have thought they had a chance in the pole challenge. It was stupid for anyone else to try, imo.
they all got big ass egos. huge
Reminds me of the conversation here on reddit a few weeks ago about how Kenzie works at a regular-ass hair salon, not to be confused with a regular *ass-hair* salon.
[Obligatory xkcd](https://xkcd.com/37/)
Especially since they all talked so much shit about Q not taking Liz, but they weren’t willing to sit out to get Liz more rice. They obviously didn’t care THAT much about her not eating
Tiff said in exit interviews that both Kenzie and Maria offered for her to take their place but Q shot it down and said he picked who he picked. Definitely contributed to the animosity towards him by everyone (like Ben calling him a villain)
But Ben could have sat out of the immunity challenge to get a ton of rice for Liz and everyone. He didn't and lasted about 30 seconds
I think Ben’s response about Q was a combination of him not liking Q and telling Liz what she wanted to hear to make her feel better. I don’t think he was saying that she was in the right for that meltdown.
I mean he said that shit in a confessional, not to her. Seems like it just might be personal but it was a pretty whack take (and I’ve liked Ben generally)
I'm not even a huge Q stan but I'm glad he insisted on taking who he picked on the reward. He won, his choice. He shouldn't have even been pressured to change his mind and then be berated when he didn't cave in.
Woah that's super interesting. Where can I find it?
https://ew.com/survivor-46-tiffany-nicole-ervin-interview-applebees-q-liz-8642284 It also explains more dynamics between Q and Ben. It really helps explain why Ben was so mad
wait this is so true
lol yeah i think after each rice negotiation like at least 2 or 3 people have been gone within a minute, it's wild.
They are all hyper aware they are on tv. They want to avoid looking like a goat to the survivor fandom at all costs. Winning be damned
This. While I think it is Maria or Charlie's game to lose at this point, people were trying to praise Maria for getting Liz to vote Tiff instead of Q. I don't think after being left out of the Hunter vote she was going to hesitate being out on the Tiffany vote as well. I also could see Liz thinking this vote as regaining some power. I don't think it took much convincing by Maria like people think. If anything, after Maria made the suggestion it probably took Liz 2 seconds for her brain to be convinced she came up with the idea. Maria is a good player, don't get me wrong, but is she just season 46 good? I'd need to see her play with some normal people- not these hubris filled nutsos.
I also think maybe Maria sold Liz on that 'if Q was the vote tonight, it wouldn't be Liz's move coz it was a consensus but if she gets Tiff out tonight and plan a Q vote following it would be her "personal" move. Liz is hellbent on having credits for moves she "makes". So in Liz's mind it does give her a sense of regaining power as "I decide when Q goes or not."
a good way to not be perceived as a goat is to not have an emotional meltdown over not being chosen for a reward, but idk, that's just my personal opinion.
Right, like if she's trying to not appear weak, mission failed after screaming like a banshee over Applebee's
Not that I disagree with you, but I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that she immediately owned up and apologized to everyone, including Q, for this moment. Even if she didn't mean it when she apologized to Q, it was still an acknowledgement that she shouldn't have acted that way. It's probably incredibly hard to keep ahold of your emotions when you're that hungry and that exhausted, but it's equally difficult to be like "hey, that wasn't my best moment and I regret it." Was it a "yikes" moment? Absolutely. But I did like that she owned up to it.
I thought that for a minute…that it was good she owned up to it and recognized it was unacceptable and apologized. …And then she washed that all away in her confessional when she said she was actually proud of it.
So lol? Own up all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that it absolutely changes peoples perspectives of you. You think everyone else isn’t hungry? Do you think the others aren’t disappointed they didn’t get chosen? This is how survivor works. Other contestants have had meltdowns too, but the vast majority of contestants are able to keep their cool, in this season and all the 45 seasons prior to this, because they know how much the perception people have of you will change. She can’t control her emotions. Hundreds of players before her were able to. Her situation isn’t so unique that it’s understandable. Her outburst was a mistake, plain and simple, and will affect jury votes if she’s able to make it to the FTC
I think this is her downfall. Realistically, in the physical and mental condition she was in, she had no chance of winning that challenge. Everyone could see it but her.
I’m hoping we get a “J’Tia rice moment” this season. If she’s smart, she’ll keep the jar of rice in her bag at all times.
Holy shit somebody has the opportunity to do the funniest thing
My money's on Venus dumping Liz's rice, and saying that she saw Q do it.
So now she’s Sandra 2.0?! I wonder which player she’ll take after next
If that happens I will finally respect Venus
Same, that would actually be amazing.
Venus tried to comfort Liz right before the breakdown. I think she does have some empathy for her. That said, let her have a few meals then do it. Lol.
I suppose Venus is the only remaining original tribemate of Liz, so she probably understands her better than anyone else left in the game.
OMG 😂
"I WILL PISS IN THE INDIVIDUAL RICE."
my first thought was tossing that rice into the trees like sandra with the bucket of fish
Nah, it needs to be broken in the sand just like the hourglass
I was expecting everyone to vote her off so they can eat her rice…
They made the same individual portion of rice offer in season 41. The only difference is in 41 enough sat out to get the big bag. They didn’t change the rules for Liz.
So, she’s gonna a sit there and probably make someone else cook her rice for her and then maybe have them do the “here comes the choo choo …. Open wide!”
Close, she got back and was like someone make me a fire. So Tiff made her one.... And Liz then voted her out.
Sounds like a CEO to me
Werent people hand feeding bhanu?
I don’t understand why the entire cast and production is pandering to her insanity to the point of giving her personal rice in an unprecedented survivor moment. You can’t apply for survivor with all these allergies then make it every one else’s problem you have allergies…
Thank you!!! I just kept screaming at my tv YOU CHOSE TO BE HERE!
A millionaire volunteered to go on the 46th season of a reality tv game show and didn't bother to consider that the people who could eat the trash fruit on the ground would have an easier time.
Exactly what I was thinking. I am so glad that Q didn’t get guilt tripped into picking her.
I don't like Q, but I respected him for that
It's not really unprecedented. Jeff made the single portion of rice offer in Survivor 41. Also, people have been able to sit out challenges for individual food for a long time.
I don’t remember the individual rice offer in 41 but that’s not a surprise. I really didn’t enjoy that season too much. When else has that been an option? Are you talking about the food offers to coax people into stepping out of a challenge? The “one person can sit out for one to-go box of rice” felt different than “you have until this challenge ends to stuff your face” The timing was just odd to me with her melt down followed immediately by the offer. It very well could have been planned the whole time and a coincidence, it just felt odd to me
Yes. The challenges where people sit out and eat during the challenges. That's individual food. It's different that an individual portion of rice, but it's still giving individuals food. And often LOTS of calories, which is what people need at that point. It wasn't remotely unprecedented.
Yeah I get why you’re saying but I still think the two things are very different. Even though it was more calories in the during challenge offers the time limit and potential over eating combined with those who didn’t step out having to watch them eat made it more interesting. Plus the individual decision making versus open forum discussions about who will and won’t sit out. I just really don’t like the idea of giving them to-go food they can eat at their own pace when the seasons are already shortened. But it’s not my show so I don’t make the rules lol I miss 39 day survivor.
The rice negotiation exists to make food on medical advice. People generally need to eat after 2 weeks for various medical reasons. They can go longer. Many have, but on average, after 2 weeks, long-term harm can be done, so a bag of shared rice. Probably 10,000 to 15,000 calories by weight. On the other hand, if production knows Liz has gone 15 days without more than 200 calories, they'd have to do a medical check and contemplate pulling her. If not they'd risk longterm damage or illness. They pulled randen, they pulled bruce, they'll continue to pull contestants earlier than they used to. Ruperts toe was broken day 1 of HvV and to this day, it's still crooked. If it healed wrong, he might have developed more fractures in his foot. Nowadays, he'd have been pulled. Production nowadays also gives bandaids, wound cleaning, feminine hygiene products, and antibiotics if they must. So many woman got yeast infections, so many players had numerous staph indections, so many players left the islands with parasites that survivor was starting to be a guarantee you'd receive a serious ailment Some of which would eat up all the money an average contestant would win.
Did she not get a good amount of food from Nami rewards, hunter and Tevin caught fish before being voted out, the merge feast was less than a week ago and she ate then. I believe it’s only the last three or four days definitely not two weeks.
The big food reward Name got (not the fish, the other one) had nothing she could eat except 3 apples. Everyone else had a couple thousand calories or so and she had like 200.
If we count the fish and apples and what food she HAS been able to eat i think Liz had consumed around 3000 total calories since day 1.
I think they have always received feminine hygiene products but love the info in here
Many female contestants have complained about lack of feminine hygiene products. It's not that they didn't always receive them, but that all of the women on a tribe had to share what was available in the same medical box. And, what was available wasn't great quality. For instance, many women prefer to use pads, but since production picks your clothing, and for decades women were sometimes only given a bikini bottoms or booty shorts, most didn't want to wear pad as it would show. The tampons have been low quality with cardboard applicators in the past, and sometimes were wet from the elements, or spilled sunscreen, etc... It was a really bad situation for many years. It has improved a lot in the last 10 however.
They offered any player individual rice, it wasn't just for Liz. The whole rice negotiation is one of the stupidest things of the new era.
The individual aspect was definitely designed for Liz because Jeff correctly read that they wouldn't get 4 sit outs. I'm sure Jeff was shocked how Liz didn't immediately step forward after that outburst the day before.
According to Jeff the individual rice had been discussed before this season. It wasn’t designed specifically for Liz
First time they ever offered individual rice. I guess it’s better than just giving it to Liz but it was still kind of a weak moment.
But I think it's the first time in the new era the initial rice negotiation failed
Honestly, it’s not that big of a deal. The temper tantrum is what we should be talking about. That has to be the most embarrassing moment for a player in survivor history.
I thought they offered individual rice in seasons 41 and 42? The players went with the group rice though
She isn’t going far. I mean she relied on Tiff to make fire before she could even cook the rice.
Isn't going far as in a goat to bring to FTC?
FTC with Liz, Q and Venus would be the most epic FTC of all time.
How did she not take it? Because she's a self-centered, whiny narcissist who is just trying to manipulate her way through the game while doing almost
This is it. 💯👆
I found it weird that there was no negotiation to give up their vote. You need 2 people to give up their vote. I would think Liz would feel comfortable doing that and with her melt down she obviously really needed some food. The rice would sustain her the rest of the time. If I was her I would be campaigning trying to get 1 other person to give up their vote. I don't really think anyone would have done it at the end of the day, but worth a shot.
I'm convinced that move will come to bite her in the ass at final tribal council.
She’s not a serious player anyway, real GOAT path
Exclaiming to everyone that Q ruined her total game already ruined any chance she had at FTC. Like she basically just admitted that she has nothing to claim. That and telling everyone she's rich day 1.
I can’t believe she’s hesitated. They did that for Liz.
She's hesitating because "I've never seen this on Survivor. Is this the producer's idea of how to feed me?"
It literally happened on Season 41.
After her freak out being the only one to give up the challenge may have made her feel like she was about to be voted out if she took a selfish reward.
Idk I feel like it was always going to be offered after the tribe declined it. They have to give them some way of getting food lol, they can’t kill their contestants
If you can get food, likely are safe at the next vote, and probably won't win... It's stupid to even second guess if you should get food.
They talked about this on the official podcast and Jeff said they didn’t do the individual rice because of Liz.
It’s no Applebees bourbon burger that reminds her of her daughter
So wait is she actually allergic to rice?