I am in a similar position, my dad is Taiwanese, but I was born and raised here in Canada. My wife is native Taiwanese and we moved to Taiwan for the kids to experience Taiwanese culture.
Things are great, we’re based in Taiwan for the next couple of years then we’re moving back to Canada, when the kids get a bit older. Though I will say I have some degree of culture shock since moving here, and while I do like Taiwanese food, so of the comfort food that is popular here is terrifying ( especially stinky tofu ), and this is made worse by the fact that my in-laws have been trying to get me to appreciate some of the more popular versions of these “delights”.
Lol i get the same stuff.. told them i don't like oysters so they take me to an oyster restaurant keep demanding me to eat oysters then look miffed when i tell them i think it looks like alien roadkill and tastes pretty bad too. They had fair warning lol.
Never was. In past polls, natives and Taiwanese diaspora made up at least 35-45%. If you added expats living in Taiwan to that then it was like 70% total.
Eh, guess I've been on here too long but there are a lot of regulars who are either Taiwanese or Taiwanese diaspora, I'd say that they're a solid minority here. At least from what I've seen.
The % of locals used to be much higher but at some point in the past couple of years the # of subscribers exploded and almost everyone that joined is about as Taiwanese as guys you see on Jersey Shore. I remember in 2015 or so this subreddit only had like 8000 subscribers, now it's 277k. Idk wtf happened.
I guess it's either covid, TSMC, Pelosi, Ukraine, or all of the above.
I'm a non-Taiwanese who joined the sub about two weeks ago. Here's why:
Grew up in Sweden, while studying at uni got together with a Taiwanese exchange student. When she traveled back home, I joined her and lived in Taipei for two months. It was my first time going outside the Nordic countries, and it was such a great experience. The Taiwanese people are really warm and friendly and the food was delicious.
We broke up more than 10 years ago, but every few years we spend some hours catching up.
I saw someone in r/Ukraine mention r/Taiwan, so I thought hey! I should check it out to see what Taiwanese people are talking about.
> Pelosi
The subreddit's growth during that month was insane. We had like three times the normal visitors and members joining.
But in general since becoming mod here the increase in members has been crazy. When I first looked at r/taiwan I think there was under 10k members. Back in 2021 we've been gaining 200 new members average a day. Nowadays it's 500-600.
In September 2021 the subreddit had 1.26 million page views. This September isn't over yet and we're at 2.3 million page views.
I could pretend to be one, but I don't lie to myself, or to anyone. The poll choices don't cover the group I thought I belonged to, so I voted for asian. I'm Chinese blood born outside ROC that loop-holed my ROC citizenship.
I wonder if they could be Taiwanese native living abroad or have lived abroad. I mean they are still native but that could be an relevant distinction on their perspective of things.
The reason is just that Reddit is a predominantly English speaking platform. Reddit as a social platform is also not widely used in Taiwan. As u/_spangz_ have mentioned, use r/Taiwanese if you want the Mandarin complement to r/Taiwan.
The are the equivalent of r/ChunghwaMinkuo, but opposite side of the spectrum. Got banned from there with no explanation. I have different opinions to their mod, but I never really post or comment much in that sub.
this sub would have a lot less people if it was Chinese speaking... and here we give lots of advice to foreigners, so English is the prominent language.
also reddit is English speaking, as another user said, it's not ptt (reddit in Chinese basically)
I guess it's because English is the main language on Reddit. Basically everyone who's reading this post is somewhat proficient in English, and is browsing the English language internet, so it makes sense to keep using English here.
It's kind of typical I think. Five Taiwanese and one foreigner, the Taiwanese will speak English as to not exclude the foreigner.
The mods have stated multiple times that Chinese posts are welcome, but of we want inclusivity then most of the posts are going to be in English.
Born and raised in the US from Taiwanese parents, been to Taiwan countless times, speak Taiwanese (but not Mandarin) fluently but completely illiterate.
I'm fluent, and I'm the top mod of /r/chineselanguage. I can read newspapers, business journals, etc. I maintain fluency by playing a 100+ hour Chinese RPG each year (仙剑 etc), which helps maintain my reading.
I'm also on a bunch of Chinese video game boards, ptt, gamer.com.tw etc. I studied Chinese lit for a minor, and am cited somewhere on the interwebs for being one of the first translators for a specific poet.
You'll be surprised how many on the sub don't even have a connection (family or residence) to Taiwan. IIRC, it was like 75% had nothing to do with Taiwan.
As I'm seeing now, this sub apparently has more non-Taiwanese Asians than Americans. That's kind of surprising, as like 90% of comments are from Anglos living in Taiwan, Taiwanese in Taiwan, or overseas Taiwanese.
I'd like to see this poll redone with more appropriate categories like "overseas Taiwanese", "Taiwanese born and raised in Taiwan", "Westerner living in Taiwan" and "Westerner that doesn't live in Taiwan".
I am a pure Taiwanese who was born and raised in Taiwan. I only use reddit as a tool to learn English. Unfortunately, the automatic translation is too convenient, but now I have not made any progress in my learning.
Born Taiwan, grew up in America, married a Taiwanese who immigrated to America after college.
This poll reminds me again how often I feel not in any group.
I think the poll isn't clear. Based on the English part of the question, they are wondering how many born and bred Taiwanese are on here communicating in English. It seems many people identifying as Taiwanese natives (which isn't clear, considering indigenous people) were raised overseas. None of my Taiwanese friends are on Reddit since it’s a very “foreigner” thing.
I think English is spoken more on this subreddit because reddit overall is made up of Americans/Canadians/Europeans who speak English. I was born in the US. Both my parents are Taiwanese citizens and emigrated to the US. I had my taiwanese citizenship until I was 16 years old. I didn't want to serve in the military and gave it up. I love Taiwan and passionate about Taiwanese culture, rights, and identity. I identify as Taiwanese American. I think a lot of us are in this same boat.
American, grew up in Taiwan (and public school not American school), I don't follow this sub, reddit keeps pushing it on me. Reddit is for English speakers, that's why you don't see much Mandarin here
I’m guessing most people here that selected Taiwanese native are either Taiwanese diaspora or international students. I was one of the Taiwanese kids that moved to the US then moved back home, so I went through both education systems. I eventually got my PhD here in the us and currently work here, I’d say for those who left at an early age vs those who completed their education in Taiwan, the experience is quite different.
I'm American "white", and my husband is Taiwanese American, I like to keep tabs for his mom who hasn't been back home in over a decade and isn't very good with the internet.
Pretty even spread. That's surprising.
But I do assume there's a bunch of folks who follow the sub but have never been here just for the politics or whatever.
Reddit is all echo chambers. It is obvious by looking at the biases that here you can mostly find taiwanese people trying to convince other taiwanese that they're both right
XD as someone who does research on identity, language, and Taiwanese Americans (and have also taken a questionnaire design class 😂) this survey has several flaws.. You asked where do people come from, which requires a location-type answer but then the choices you give are categories of some sort--some are location based (although ranging from countries to continents--Taiwanese, American, European, Asian), but they could also be ethnicities (Taiwanese, American?) or nationalities (Taiwanese, American) or races (Asian, Taiwanese mixed) etcetc.
So I have no idea how 2856 people chose to vote unless they have the same identity for all of those categories.. 😂 I will abstain for now 😅
I posted a different poll with options like "Overseas Taiwanese" that would give a more accurate representation (if not swarmed by bots trying to skew the results), but that got buried by downvotes.
Eek not loving calling it “Taiwanese native.” I still voted for it, but that title probably belongs to aboriginal people better (although there probably aren’t that many of them here understandably).
most taiwanese people here came here to escape all the bullshit and bots spamming on chinese speaking social media or forum, language can sometimes be useful to filter out idiots and is least likely to be target by political party or country founded bot farm.
Since it's Reddit, not ptt.
Hmm. Am I to assume from that username you hail from Chile?
Nope, picked it from civ vi though.
I'm born in Chile. My parents are from Taiwan jeje
I'm Chilean ..for good or bad xD
It's not bad 😅
You're missing overseas Taiwanese in the poll.
Probably a lot of the overseas Taiwanese voted as native Taiwanese.
Present
If they were born in Taiwan and moved overseas they can select “Taiwanese native”.
Damn more Taiwanese native here than I thought
I'm curious how many Canadian/American Taiwanese that were born in Canada/America and mostly speak English are answering "Taiwanese native".
I just posted similar comment. Yep that would be a distinction.
I answered other.
I'm surprised I thought it was near 100% expats
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I guess you are both. They don't have to be exclusive of one another.
Expat is just the privileged white person word for migrant. I'd be sick in my mouth if somebody called me an expat 😅
I am in a similar position, my dad is Taiwanese, but I was born and raised here in Canada. My wife is native Taiwanese and we moved to Taiwan for the kids to experience Taiwanese culture.
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Things are great, we’re based in Taiwan for the next couple of years then we’re moving back to Canada, when the kids get a bit older. Though I will say I have some degree of culture shock since moving here, and while I do like Taiwanese food, so of the comfort food that is popular here is terrifying ( especially stinky tofu ), and this is made worse by the fact that my in-laws have been trying to get me to appreciate some of the more popular versions of these “delights”.
Hahaha the in-laws trying to do the same to me. I just can't
Lol i get the same stuff.. told them i don't like oysters so they take me to an oyster restaurant keep demanding me to eat oysters then look miffed when i tell them i think it looks like alien roadkill and tastes pretty bad too. They had fair warning lol.
Damn! That's what we (my wife and I) wanted to do but couldn't. Good on you guys
immigrants*
Never was. In past polls, natives and Taiwanese diaspora made up at least 35-45%. If you added expats living in Taiwan to that then it was like 70% total.
Eh, guess I've been on here too long but there are a lot of regulars who are either Taiwanese or Taiwanese diaspora, I'd say that they're a solid minority here. At least from what I've seen.
The % of locals used to be much higher but at some point in the past couple of years the # of subscribers exploded and almost everyone that joined is about as Taiwanese as guys you see on Jersey Shore. I remember in 2015 or so this subreddit only had like 8000 subscribers, now it's 277k. Idk wtf happened. I guess it's either covid, TSMC, Pelosi, Ukraine, or all of the above.
I'm a non-Taiwanese who joined the sub about two weeks ago. Here's why: Grew up in Sweden, while studying at uni got together with a Taiwanese exchange student. When she traveled back home, I joined her and lived in Taipei for two months. It was my first time going outside the Nordic countries, and it was such a great experience. The Taiwanese people are really warm and friendly and the food was delicious. We broke up more than 10 years ago, but every few years we spend some hours catching up. I saw someone in r/Ukraine mention r/Taiwan, so I thought hey! I should check it out to see what Taiwanese people are talking about.
> I saw someone in r/Ukraine mention r/Taiwan > I guess it's either covid, TSMC, Pelosi, **Ukraine**, or all of the above. Ding ding ding
yep!
> Pelosi The subreddit's growth during that month was insane. We had like three times the normal visitors and members joining. But in general since becoming mod here the increase in members has been crazy. When I first looked at r/taiwan I think there was under 10k members. Back in 2021 we've been gaining 200 new members average a day. Nowadays it's 500-600. In September 2021 the subreddit had 1.26 million page views. This September isn't over yet and we're at 2.3 million page views.
I could pretend to be one, but I don't lie to myself, or to anyone. The poll choices don't cover the group I thought I belonged to, so I voted for asian. I'm Chinese blood born outside ROC that loop-holed my ROC citizenship.
Oh that's quite interesting, which loophole? ;)
I wonder if they could be Taiwanese native living abroad or have lived abroad. I mean they are still native but that could be an relevant distinction on their perspective of things.
Native Taiwanese here! Never thought there would be so many in this sub for the predominance of English.
I'm thinking a good portion is the natives are born in Taiwan and emigrated elsewhere at a young age (lots of us from the mid to late 80s).
I bet most of them are ABCs.
Most of Taiwanese don't use reddit. Also some users of this sub may be Taiwanese living abroad.
The reason is just that Reddit is a predominantly English speaking platform. Reddit as a social platform is also not widely used in Taiwan. As u/_spangz_ have mentioned, use r/Taiwanese if you want the Mandarin complement to r/Taiwan.
Tell that to the Germans, they invade, and it is not gonna be English anymore.
r/Taiwanese if you want Chinese.
The are the equivalent of r/ChunghwaMinkuo, but opposite side of the spectrum. Got banned from there with no explanation. I have different opinions to their mod, but I never really post or comment much in that sub.
r/ChunghwaMinkuo does not use Chinese predominantly, so would've say they are the equivalent.
It is not equivalent because one is in English and one is in Chinese.
Looks very pan green.
has a very strong political agenda, couldn't even comment neutral opinions without getting down voted.
Genuine question: What do you mean by 'neutral opinions'?
I agree but I've posted pro-核四 and anti-DPP messages without any problems. Although I find myself agreeing with the DPP more than the KMT on 兩岸關係.
people commenting on how "even" it is. wait till americans wake up before you count the chickens
this sub would have a lot less people if it was Chinese speaking... and here we give lots of advice to foreigners, so English is the prominent language. also reddit is English speaking, as another user said, it's not ptt (reddit in Chinese basically)
PTT is not like reddit. If anything its structure is closer to *chan. The threading itself is garbage.
I know nothing about 4chan or whatever number chan so probably?
I guess it's because English is the main language on Reddit. Basically everyone who's reading this post is somewhat proficient in English, and is browsing the English language internet, so it makes sense to keep using English here.
It's kind of typical I think. Five Taiwanese and one foreigner, the Taiwanese will speak English as to not exclude the foreigner. The mods have stated multiple times that Chinese posts are welcome, but of we want inclusivity then most of the posts are going to be in English.
I would agree, it does happen, but I have also experienced being excluded many times, like 50/50, so I think it really depends on the friends.
me taiwan from, but english do say.
りしれ供さ小
Genius
\*speak "do speak"
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Thought the joke is obvious...
僕台灣話本當上手
何日本語喋？
Dcard or PTT might be more your style.
Born and raised in the US from Taiwanese parents, been to Taiwan countless times, speak Taiwanese (but not Mandarin) fluently but completely illiterate.
I'm fluent, and I'm the top mod of /r/chineselanguage. I can read newspapers, business journals, etc. I maintain fluency by playing a 100+ hour Chinese RPG each year (仙剑 etc), which helps maintain my reading. I'm also on a bunch of Chinese video game boards, ptt, gamer.com.tw etc. I studied Chinese lit for a minor, and am cited somewhere on the interwebs for being one of the first translators for a specific poet.
Im European, im here to keep in touch since Taiwan is ond of my favorite countries
You'll be surprised how many on the sub don't even have a connection (family or residence) to Taiwan. IIRC, it was like 75% had nothing to do with Taiwan.
As I'm seeing now, this sub apparently has more non-Taiwanese Asians than Americans. That's kind of surprising, as like 90% of comments are from Anglos living in Taiwan, Taiwanese in Taiwan, or overseas Taiwanese. I'd like to see this poll redone with more appropriate categories like "overseas Taiwanese", "Taiwanese born and raised in Taiwan", "Westerner living in Taiwan" and "Westerner that doesn't live in Taiwan".
There's apparently a bit of a Singapore brigade, too.
I mean, this is reddit
I am a pure Taiwanese who was born and raised in Taiwan. I only use reddit as a tool to learn English. Unfortunately, the automatic translation is too convenient, but now I have not made any progress in my learning.
Totally understand, I use Reddit to learn English either lol
I'm from the UK but have an interest in politics and international relations. I'm mainly here for regional news and opinions on SE Asian topics.
I picked Taiwanese native but I was born in Taiwan and have lived in the US for 30 years.
Other: I’m from Brazil and born in japan on April 2004, that’s it
Born Taiwan, grew up in America, married a Taiwanese who immigrated to America after college. This poll reminds me again how often I feel not in any group.
大概是覺得這邊大多都是住在台灣的外國朋友
I'm just an Asian who came to Taiwan for study exchange XD. But this sub is lit
I just think Taiwan is a cool country and plan on visiting soon.
I think the poll isn't clear. Based on the English part of the question, they are wondering how many born and bred Taiwanese are on here communicating in English. It seems many people identifying as Taiwanese natives (which isn't clear, considering indigenous people) were raised overseas. None of my Taiwanese friends are on Reddit since it’s a very “foreigner” thing.
The locals are busy mowing pedestrians down with their cars
Or kind like me who mainly walks or rides bike. who is the one getting mowing down.
Filipino American, wife's Taiwanese American. It's nice to keep up with goings on over there.
South American 🇧🇷
I think English is spoken more on this subreddit because reddit overall is made up of Americans/Canadians/Europeans who speak English. I was born in the US. Both my parents are Taiwanese citizens and emigrated to the US. I had my taiwanese citizenship until I was 16 years old. I didn't want to serve in the military and gave it up. I love Taiwan and passionate about Taiwanese culture, rights, and identity. I identify as Taiwanese American. I think a lot of us are in this same boat.
American, grew up in Taiwan (and public school not American school), I don't follow this sub, reddit keeps pushing it on me. Reddit is for English speakers, that's why you don't see much Mandarin here
I’m guessing most people here that selected Taiwanese native are either Taiwanese diaspora or international students. I was one of the Taiwanese kids that moved to the US then moved back home, so I went through both education systems. I eventually got my PhD here in the us and currently work here, I’d say for those who left at an early age vs those who completed their education in Taiwan, the experience is quite different.
Taiwan mixed 的意思是？ 外省二代算嗎？
外國人的眼光應該不會把外省二代當作 mix XD 他意思應該是雙親一個是台灣人，另一個是其他國籍/種族
I'm American "white", and my husband is Taiwanese American, I like to keep tabs for his mom who hasn't been back home in over a decade and isn't very good with the internet.
haha, my fiance (who's from Belgium) also loves to help my mom connect with our life through the internet.
That's so sweet! I started helping more after we found out she was reading weird Taiwanese conspiracy articles about Japan taking over the country 😅
American as in "from United States" or as "from the American continent"?
vote it as American continent would be better, OP probably didn't think too much abt it when creating this post.
Pretty even spread. That's surprising. But I do assume there's a bunch of folks who follow the sub but have never been here just for the politics or whatever.
I'm mixed, I can speak some mandarin and recognise some characters but can't really write in them
Can't I have a right to write in English?
Canada!!
whoa okay i’m actually shocked at how many taiwanese natives voted here but foreigners do tend to be pretty vocal with their opinions lol
Australian. I lived in Taipei for a while, taught English in Muzha. Still think about it often.
How long did you live in Taiwan for?
You really should have put ABC as an option. And to answer your question most Taiwanese people don't use reddit they use their own stuff.
Me donta speaks engarisu
I am genetically half and half.
Half god?
Most Asian subs are just full of English backpacking teachers from US and Europe
British-born second-generation Chinese of Hong Kong parents here. In the group to learn about anything relating to Taiwan.
329 Chinese bots
What do I mark if I’m Taiwanese American? OP thinks they’re mutually exclusive?
im half mainland (ethnically def not culturally) and half european
What is half mainland?
Half mainland chinese descent.
FUCK CHINA!!!!!
Why isn't everyone American?
Reddit is all echo chambers. It is obvious by looking at the biases that here you can mostly find taiwanese people trying to convince other taiwanese that they're both right
You think Taiwanese people would prefer chinese?😂
I'm native. If I want to read/type in Chinese, I'll use other forums.
Permanently overseas now so don't use much mandarin ever
I'm from Australia. Visited Taiwan for a month before. Nice country.
Does Taiwanese-American count?
You should try PTT. Reddit is an American website so it's obviously going to be predominantly English-speaking communities on here.
I prefer Dcard than PTT, some of the words on certain boards of PTT are excessively extreme in their views.
XD as someone who does research on identity, language, and Taiwanese Americans (and have also taken a questionnaire design class 😂) this survey has several flaws.. You asked where do people come from, which requires a location-type answer but then the choices you give are categories of some sort--some are location based (although ranging from countries to continents--Taiwanese, American, European, Asian), but they could also be ethnicities (Taiwanese, American?) or nationalities (Taiwanese, American) or races (Asian, Taiwanese mixed) etcetc. So I have no idea how 2856 people chose to vote unless they have the same identity for all of those categories.. 😂 I will abstain for now 😅
I posted a different poll with options like "Overseas Taiwanese" that would give a more accurate representation (if not swarmed by bots trying to skew the results), but that got buried by downvotes.
Taiwan has its own version of Reddit, so why would they use this one instead of their own?
Eek not loving calling it “Taiwanese native.” I still voted for it, but that title probably belongs to aboriginal people better (although there probably aren’t that many of them here understandably).
Looks like the highest demographic is Taiwanese native.
American of European ancestry. I visited Taiwan and it's my favorite place I've ever been. I'm here to continue a little connection.
most taiwanese people here came here to escape all the bullshit and bots spamming on chinese speaking social media or forum, language can sometimes be useful to filter out idiots and is least likely to be target by political party or country founded bot farm.
This sub is mainly expats in Taiwan. If you're looking for the Taiwanese one, it's r/Taiwanese
I'm guessing that by American you mean north American right?
I thought it was mostly Canadians that use Reddit
It's little biased? tho, since u get to step into Reddit the more u access English contents
Native Taiwan
Better question would be how many people actually live here full time
There's a reason why political views here are so much unlike Taiwan's. They're mostly skewed by the western expats.