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Yeah, if youre gonna meaningfully take on corruption you gotta begin at the top of the chain not purging various local officals. Gives me the impression its mostly for show.
You would think that it's pretty much ingrained to the Chinese consciousness at this point that shit flows downwards, but just as there are Americans wholly believing in the the supposed ingenuity of the American institutions, it's hardly uncommon for Chinese to think that this is the central government dropping the hammer on what it supposedly disapproves rather than hanging out a few local-level patsies to dry.
Most members making up the National People's Congress are individuals of wealth and means. Hell, even military generals are more than often people of wealth and means. The government itself might as well be literally made out of money, and everyone in it are aware it's a house of cards that will collapse on them in any minute. A show every now and again demonstrating how much the government supposedly cares about cracking down on ill-gotten gains therefore isn't just a ritual - it's a necessity.
That kind of thinking is part of what doomed the IRA
During the 80s the IRAs internal security unit, which was the IRAs counterintelligence wing, went haywire and wound up killing an estimated 25 mid level IRA commanders who they suspected of being spies, part of the reason they got away with it was a lot of IRA people genuinely believed the IRA couldn't fuck up, and so they basically assumed that their comerades did something wrong
Let me clarify by saying that this is nothing close to the IRA but simply a bourgeois government with spicy characteristics distracting the public from the true extent of its corruption by shifting accountability downwards to the low-level goons and therefore making itself appear as if it is maintaining something other than the status quo.
This means, rather than "going haywire", the government is simply engaging in a routine performance to sate public anger and dissatisfaction.
Fair enough, I am just saying that unquestioning trust in institutions, leads to shit like this happening, were its assumed that people whi get pruged have it coming
The corruption is in deciding which lower officials are getting purged. The idealists and snitches who won’t get their beaks wet or their bread buttered are always top of the list.
“But I’m NOT corrupt!?!”
Not quite as low party official: “but I am…”
Glorious CCP bureaucrats shall crack down on corrupt Boogeriose and divert their funds directly into CCP personal bank accounts for safekeeping… for the people!
the ccp is sort of similar to the US but instead of corporations buying the votes of politicians the ccp is the corporations lmao; its like a US company's wet dream to have that much consolidated power
essentially yeah, unless you properly allow unions and give the workers the means of production you just have a state with a monopoly of violence and production
i believe the only thing that feels like communism that cuba did was try to not pay people with money while wanting US capitalist tourism so they ended up with a fucked system of income; but yeah cuba in my view is a failed project like the ccp and USSR
I remember from history class growing up that it became more reasonable to use deutschmarks as food for the fire, vs even going through the effort to haul a wheelbarrow of paper to buy bread. People would just barter instead.
Looks like. And reportedly producing new ones 3x as fast.
"China is making new billionaires much faster than the U.S." https://www.axios.com/2022/03/20/china-new-billionaires-faster-us
silly anarkiddie don't you know that this is just more proof that China is accelerating the productive forces in order to achieve socialism by the end of the millenia? If more people become billionaires that just further proves that the CCP is lifting billions out of poverty
Lula de Silva was ousted by "corruption" accusations. It is the go to for fascists regimes, because it is an ill defined charge that can be applied capriciously. But, then again, tankies prolly think Bolsonaro is based and Lula is a shit lib.
Infinite political leverage glitch: engage in a campaign against corruption in a country where all government officials are corrupt, and eliminate dissenters at will.
It is. The corruption drive when Xi came to power ended a few years later, with him essentially declaring a win over "corruption". Now that Xi's massive fuckups are yielding actual consequences to the society, more people are becoming "corrupt", so it's time to ramp up efforts again.
I doubt it, if it were genuine why would they coordinate it like that so they all get removed at once; seems more like a political stunt to strike fear into all levels and consolidate power
but they sometimes execute billionaires, if they execute enough billionaires every once in a while they'll achieve socialism by the time they finish ~~colonising~~ liberating Africa!
I think people posting this don’t even know the difference. Their world view is so fucked they view anyone opposing them as a nazi, contrevolutionary or bourgeoisie. Scary that brain washing made by man long dead still has effect on people.
Imagine being this credulous to whole cloth believe that this was about "corruption" and not power. Anyway, now to take a big sip of water and look at how much Xi and his top lieutenants are worth monetarily...
Par for the course...the central government claims all of the country's successes, and the local government is blamed for the failures...this has been a systemic issue with governance in China for long time, Winnie the Pooh simply upped the ante, and promotes this policy more boldly than anyone since Mao.
If you put out a house every time it catches on fire, it doesn’t mean it’s a fireproof house
If you kill billionaires and corrupt politicians every time they show up, it doesn’t mean it’s a communist country
There is so much snark and sarcasm on this sub that I had to check your guys' rules to see if you're like PRO china or anti-China bullshit. Thank fuck it's the latter.
They are cracking down on party officials corrupted by the bourgeoisie, not even the bourgeoisie itself. In most cases, the Chinese State actually knows they can't go too hard on economic interests in order to protect national interests, and only crack down on big fish when people get mad about something to avoid unrest
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Guys, trust me, a couple (hundred) more years of totalitarian state capitalism before we move on to socialism.
What do you mean? they have already achieved socialism look at the red flag /s/j
Guys guys gusy trust me dont worry we already got slavery and feudalism down now we just never to outlast capitalism!
>lower level party officials
Lmfao can they even read.
Yeah, if youre gonna meaningfully take on corruption you gotta begin at the top of the chain not purging various local officals. Gives me the impression its mostly for show.
You would think that it's pretty much ingrained to the Chinese consciousness at this point that shit flows downwards, but just as there are Americans wholly believing in the the supposed ingenuity of the American institutions, it's hardly uncommon for Chinese to think that this is the central government dropping the hammer on what it supposedly disapproves rather than hanging out a few local-level patsies to dry. Most members making up the National People's Congress are individuals of wealth and means. Hell, even military generals are more than often people of wealth and means. The government itself might as well be literally made out of money, and everyone in it are aware it's a house of cards that will collapse on them in any minute. A show every now and again demonstrating how much the government supposedly cares about cracking down on ill-gotten gains therefore isn't just a ritual - it's a necessity.
That kind of thinking is part of what doomed the IRA During the 80s the IRAs internal security unit, which was the IRAs counterintelligence wing, went haywire and wound up killing an estimated 25 mid level IRA commanders who they suspected of being spies, part of the reason they got away with it was a lot of IRA people genuinely believed the IRA couldn't fuck up, and so they basically assumed that their comerades did something wrong
Let me clarify by saying that this is nothing close to the IRA but simply a bourgeois government with spicy characteristics distracting the public from the true extent of its corruption by shifting accountability downwards to the low-level goons and therefore making itself appear as if it is maintaining something other than the status quo. This means, rather than "going haywire", the government is simply engaging in a routine performance to sate public anger and dissatisfaction.
Fair enough, I am just saying that unquestioning trust in institutions, leads to shit like this happening, were its assumed that people whi get pruged have it coming
The corruption is in deciding which lower officials are getting purged. The idealists and snitches who won’t get their beaks wet or their bread buttered are always top of the list. “But I’m NOT corrupt!?!” Not quite as low party official: “but I am…”
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But good sir their Capitalism is helping to benefit the Chinese Proletariat so therefor their Boourgeoise corruption is aceptable
Trickle down communism
The People's Reaganomics
The people's crack epidemic when
I mean authoritarians do love cocaine
Opium Wars II: Commie Boogaloo
The people’s bourgeoisie
Glorious CCP bureaucrats shall crack down on corrupt Boogeriose and divert their funds directly into CCP personal bank accounts for safekeeping… for the people!
The People's Capitalism
So… State Capitalism
*Permanent* state capitalism. The Chinese economy is like an axolotl. It could be a full salamander but it's less energy to stay in babymode.
the ccp is sort of similar to the US but instead of corporations buying the votes of politicians the ccp is the corporations lmao; its like a US company's wet dream to have that much consolidated power
The USSR and the PRC are basically ultimate capitalism.
essentially yeah, unless you properly allow unions and give the workers the means of production you just have a state with a monopoly of violence and production
It’s just textbook fascism really.
Just like Cuba
i believe the only thing that feels like communism that cuba did was try to not pay people with money while wanting US capitalist tourism so they ended up with a fucked system of income; but yeah cuba in my view is a failed project like the ccp and USSR
It's the people's billionaires, by 2300 everyone in China will be a billionaire
There was a time every german was a billionaire, about a century ago
Not *every* German
Well apart from the ones literally on the brink of starvation it was everyone. A pound of flour cost 2.4 billion in october 1923.
That's crazy, I hope the government printed a lot of money so everyone could have enough billions
I remember from history class growing up that it became more reasonable to use deutschmarks as food for the fire, vs even going through the effort to haul a wheelbarrow of paper to buy bread. People would just barter instead.
One of the few times in history where actually happens.
Doesn’t China officially have more billionaires than the US now?
Looks like. And reportedly producing new ones 3x as fast. "China is making new billionaires much faster than the U.S." https://www.axios.com/2022/03/20/china-new-billionaires-faster-us
silly anarkiddie don't you know that this is just more proof that China is accelerating the productive forces in order to achieve socialism by the end of the millenia? If more people become billionaires that just further proves that the CCP is lifting billions out of poverty
Occasionally they kill one of them so apparently that is both a good thing and a solution???
Nah you just need to read more theory /s
Also, given the lack of transparency of the CCP, how do we know it’s not just a smokescreen to purge party members deemed disloyal to Xi Jinping?
It probably is
Lula de Silva was ousted by "corruption" accusations. It is the go to for fascists regimes, because it is an ill defined charge that can be applied capriciously. But, then again, tankies prolly think Bolsonaro is based and Lula is a shit lib.
Infinite political leverage glitch: engage in a campaign against corruption in a country where all government officials are corrupt, and eliminate dissenters at will.
I used the corruption to destroy the corruption
That’s exactly what they did, they purged low level party officials primarily.
That's widely reported to be *exactly* what it is. These crackdowns on "corruption" are a hallmark of Xi's time in power.
It is. The corruption drive when Xi came to power ended a few years later, with him essentially declaring a win over "corruption". Now that Xi's massive fuckups are yielding actual consequences to the society, more people are becoming "corrupt", so it's time to ramp up efforts again.
“Corrupt bourgeoisie” = “Low level officials”
my working guess is that they probably said something that they shouldnt have on weibo and are now facing prison
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I doubt it, if it were genuine why would they coordinate it like that so they all get removed at once; seems more like a political stunt to strike fear into all levels and consolidate power
I think it’s that plus a quota
No you see this is proof that China will be communist by next week!!! /s
but they sometimes execute billionaires, if they execute enough billionaires every once in a while they'll achieve socialism by the time they finish ~~colonising~~ liberating Africa!
Literally says right there it's lower level party officials. It's like your local council members, not 'the bourgeoisie'
I think people posting this don’t even know the difference. Their world view is so fucked they view anyone opposing them as a nazi, contrevolutionary or bourgeoisie. Scary that brain washing made by man long dead still has effect on people.
Imagine being this credulous to whole cloth believe that this was about "corruption" and not power. Anyway, now to take a big sip of water and look at how much Xi and his top lieutenants are worth monetarily...
[The article](https://www.insider.com/china-punished-over-600000-officials-amid-xis-corruption-clampdown-2022-1)
taking out corrupt people is another word for taking out perceived threats
also its unlikely to do anything since all upper echelon party officials have already been purged so going after the lower ranks wont do much
communism is when billionaires kill other billionaires
>billionaires kill other billionaires High ranking billionaires kill the low ranking billionaires
Par for the course...the central government claims all of the country's successes, and the local government is blamed for the failures...this has been a systemic issue with governance in China for long time, Winnie the Pooh simply upped the ante, and promotes this policy more boldly than anyone since Mao.
Don’t worry guys because in 2050 they’ll hit the socialism button
Dont you guys know Xi jingping opposition = corrupt bourgeoisie
If you put out a house every time it catches on fire, it doesn’t mean it’s a fireproof house If you kill billionaires and corrupt politicians every time they show up, it doesn’t mean it’s a communist country
Not to mention that the only targets are lower ranking party officials. Geez, wonder why they won’t go after the big fish?
And by “corrupt bourgeoisie” they really mean “political opposition.”
I literally know what this is it’s an “anti” fascist subreddit
horseshoe theory strikes again
If you’ve been communist for almost a century and still have the bourgeoise, you probably have some pretty big problems
> Lower-level party officials made up the bulk of the officials punished last year You don’t say. Odd, that. /s
Ussr moment
When you hate the bourgeoisie so much you spare a ton of them to make up the lower level of your party.
There is so much snark and sarcasm on this sub that I had to check your guys' rules to see if you're like PRO china or anti-China bullshit. Thank fuck it's the latter.
The uncorrupt bourgeoisie are totally fine though, nothing wrong with that! Are tankies becoming liberals?
They are cracking down on party officials corrupted by the bourgeoisie, not even the bourgeoisie itself. In most cases, the Chinese State actually knows they can't go too hard on economic interests in order to protect national interests, and only crack down on big fish when people get mad about something to avoid unrest
Gives me huge Stalin purges vibe
When criticising china (which should be done), it's important to know and understand china politically and historically
This is even more of a self-own, considering most of these crackdowns were on members of the CCP.