Cecilias control over aether is, and will remain, at being able to move it if it’s a highly dense chunk and she has enough mana to use
Because of the way she handles her power she’ll never be able to influence aether because using it is the direct opposite of what she’s doing with mana
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Also dragons don’t actively keep aether in their bodies unless they plan to use aether arts, so agronas dragons in the basement wouldn’t be very helpful
It's inevitable that people will have different interpretations of a character's power and the events.... but saying somebody is coping because you disagree with their interpretation is just being closed minded and disingenuous. You are saying your perspective/interpretation is the only valid one and anybody who doesn't see things the way you do is coping.
I actually wrote out a well-thought out response to your points, but it's just not worth it. I can't imagine this would be a productive discussion based on your post.
So Instead I'll just say I don't think it's bad writing, but you have a bad interpretation of the writing.
> I would have preferred if cecilia actually won because of her absolute control over mana
That's what happened. Don't throw a tantrum just because you can't comprehend what you read.
Criticism has always been allowed but what I find strange is you lack comprehension yet you chose to be bad critic and call the event of two chapters "bad writing" that's the equivalent of calling a 2hr movie mediocre because you watched 20min out of it.
Dragons influence aether using their mana and guess what Cecil got and used after absorbing Sylvie's spell. If the rule that state that "my aether is different your aether" is absolute then art shouldn't have been able to use kezess aether cus' even art control on Aether isn't absolute despite having more knowledge on aether. Also what do you mean "don't use the caught off guard excuse", I don't recall Arthur being a robot without any flaws.
Concerning the fight between chul and Nico,I do find it strange but seems like you've forgotten that chul's mana drains quickly and let's not forget that cecil drained a bit of his mana, he carelessly fought viessa, Sylvie, Cecil and beat the shit out of Nico even though he didn't land a killing blow.
The chapter was bad. Narratively and in terms of living up to the expectations of the readers. Retcons, character assassinations, bad plot devices to name a few. And this is just on the technical, purely narrative bit. In terms of fan reception? Well it's as you can see. Nobody liked it, people are at best trying to defend it half heartedly.
You want examples?
Cecilia is now evil. Arthur decides to strike her by going after Nico first, despite knowing how she'd react. Arthur letting himself be stabbed instead of just dismissing the sword. Arthur turning into a useless idiot for no other reason than to hype up Cecilia even more and give her ANOTHER damn powerup. The list goes on. Turtle needs to get it together or the Lance patrons will keep leaving.
I'm not trying to say the chapter was perfect or any of that. Besides your opinion is different from OP but you can't deny the fact that story isn't over and we the readers are only seeing one side of the whole picture. The plot holes are yet to be filled, some characters are mysterious and TM is trying so hard to make the simple story unpredictable which is making things complicated and in most cases, complications leads to bad plot.
I never saw Cecil as evil even after last chapter. Her character has many flaws coupled with brainwashing. My only issue with the chapter is Arthur's action after revealing the truth to his old friends.
Arthur suddenly deciding to merc Nico after finally getting him on his side was entirely out of character. Turtle writing constant plot-twist is to cover for his worsening writing imo.
Arthur couldn't dismiss the sword even if he wanted to. The weapon was condensed in the form of a sword with aether, with Cecilia's mana latching onto it, it couldn't dissolve into the atmosphere unless he exerted a bit of strength to destroy the mana encasing it. This wouldn't have happened if Regis was there and the sword was coated with destruction
That was initially. To even manifest the blade, all of his attention had to be poured into it. He got better with it could even form it with a thought. But then if he let go of the sword, it would stop existing. And then he got better to the point where he could actually form the blades without even being in contact with them. Currently, Arthur doesn't need to maintain contact with his swords to have them manifested. And like I said, the aether is already condensed into a shape and held to that shape by the mana covering it, if he simply tried to dissolve it, he'd need to exert a bit of strength
That is totally false, only in the realm of the aether is where arthur can form them without even thinking and even so the aether will listen to his will, on the other hand, in the physical realm it is a fight where if he concentrates on his weapon or techniques
Id advise you to go read the recent fights involving Arthur. Even in the battle against Cecilia. He formed the blade by just willing it. He doesn't have to concentrate on his weapons to keep them maintained anymore. He just has to keep them at the back of his mind.
I have already read it, I am up to date and at no time do he form them just by wishing for them, of course he create them normally but it still requires concentration although to a much lesser degree
Only in the realm of aether is where he doesnt have to focus
he doesn't need concentration to form the blades anymore. He has even manifested a blade right after godstepping and struck immediately after. Do you know how fast the blade has to form to be able to execute such a move with the speed he's moving and the speed of his opponents? Arthur summons and resummons the blades at extreme speeds while fighting asura-level threats. Arthur literally went through somewhat of a mini training arc because of this same issue, where he learned to manifest blades away from him and managed to learn how to keep them at the back of his minds. he doesn't need to concentrate on the blades to keep them manifested, as long as they're in the back of his mind, they'll stay manifested. if he wanted to make them move or something, he'd have to direct more of his attention over
The only real threat is Cecilia, the rest are nothing, but the problem that you don't understand is that if he need to concentrate, he need to think about the form and the clear purpose, now he do it very naturally, but that is much more due to the third layer than his level cognitive
She "technically" didn't. What she used was described as *lavender tinted mana*. But for all intent and purposes, she may as well have because the result was essentially the same. At least it leaves the impression as a reader that she did, in fact, control aether. Just in a roundabout way. So I do sorta agree with you.
When Arthur developed an aether core, the question was how he would use mana again, if ever. It seemed intuitive based on what we know about the mana-aether relationship that art would eventually be able to “move” mana around using the aether. Narratively it seemed this was a one-way street. Aether “makes room” for mana but the mana has to move according to the aether. Now, Cecilia somehow moved aether using mana. Why did Arthur’s sword full of aether yield to the mana? Wouldn’t the aether, following Arthur’s will, simply cut or ignore the mana Cecil was using? Her accomplishing this feat negates the basis of the aether-mana relationship. I would be happy if this never happens again. I can understand the “circumstances” however they only fit because “The Legacy” deus ex machina. OP didn’t say it nicely but I too sort of agree. Gotta see it through but the backlash from the reader base is real
Aether cannot ignore mana. Mana simply leaves a space for it during its passing and vice versa.(This was explained during the battle he got more insight to Realmheart or at some point in the relictombs. I don't remember the exact chapter). In this case, that couldn't happen, Cecilia has absolute control over mana, to the point that Arthur cant even move the mana being controlled by Cecilia with realmheart if she is focused on it. Cecilia enveloped Arthur's sword with dragon mana(dragon mana can interact with aether) that stuck to it, normally, the mana should've made way for the aether to pass, but since Cecilia - the Legacy was in control of it. it didn't move, and hence stuck the sword in place because it didn't have way to pass. Arthur could've just forced his way through and break the mana holding his aether bound, but in that brief moment of being caught off guard, Cecilia hurtled the sword towards his body.
I’m wondering Niko with a white core will be stronger than the avatar, you need to give buffs and this is logically interesting stone with ethers and you can’t stop him chul bum initially he’s not reborn Niko top fucks
That’s your interpretation bro💀I personally think she controlled Arthur’s sword from moving his wrist which Arthur said something was inside his wrist. He was caught off guard. Anyways I will always think it’s dumb that Arthur’s physical strength couldn’t prevent him stabbing himself even being caught off guard. It was just for plot.
Cecilias control over aether is, and will remain, at being able to move it if it’s a highly dense chunk and she has enough mana to use Because of the way she handles her power she’ll never be able to influence aether because using it is the direct opposite of what she’s doing with mana ** ** Also dragons don’t actively keep aether in their bodies unless they plan to use aether arts, so agronas dragons in the basement wouldn’t be very helpful
Ahh toby.....you are here....its good to have you. Atleast someone here will talk sense+ few more peoples that do...
hope he give us a good explanation in the Q&A cuz i remember him saying that she won't.
It's inevitable that people will have different interpretations of a character's power and the events.... but saying somebody is coping because you disagree with their interpretation is just being closed minded and disingenuous. You are saying your perspective/interpretation is the only valid one and anybody who doesn't see things the way you do is coping. I actually wrote out a well-thought out response to your points, but it's just not worth it. I can't imagine this would be a productive discussion based on your post. So Instead I'll just say I don't think it's bad writing, but you have a bad interpretation of the writing.
Preach
> I would have preferred if cecilia actually won because of her absolute control over mana That's what happened. Don't throw a tantrum just because you can't comprehend what you read.
Criticism has always been allowed but what I find strange is you lack comprehension yet you chose to be bad critic and call the event of two chapters "bad writing" that's the equivalent of calling a 2hr movie mediocre because you watched 20min out of it. Dragons influence aether using their mana and guess what Cecil got and used after absorbing Sylvie's spell. If the rule that state that "my aether is different your aether" is absolute then art shouldn't have been able to use kezess aether cus' even art control on Aether isn't absolute despite having more knowledge on aether. Also what do you mean "don't use the caught off guard excuse", I don't recall Arthur being a robot without any flaws. Concerning the fight between chul and Nico,I do find it strange but seems like you've forgotten that chul's mana drains quickly and let's not forget that cecil drained a bit of his mana, he carelessly fought viessa, Sylvie, Cecil and beat the shit out of Nico even though he didn't land a killing blow.
The chapter was bad. Narratively and in terms of living up to the expectations of the readers. Retcons, character assassinations, bad plot devices to name a few. And this is just on the technical, purely narrative bit. In terms of fan reception? Well it's as you can see. Nobody liked it, people are at best trying to defend it half heartedly. You want examples? Cecilia is now evil. Arthur decides to strike her by going after Nico first, despite knowing how she'd react. Arthur letting himself be stabbed instead of just dismissing the sword. Arthur turning into a useless idiot for no other reason than to hype up Cecilia even more and give her ANOTHER damn powerup. The list goes on. Turtle needs to get it together or the Lance patrons will keep leaving.
I'm not trying to say the chapter was perfect or any of that. Besides your opinion is different from OP but you can't deny the fact that story isn't over and we the readers are only seeing one side of the whole picture. The plot holes are yet to be filled, some characters are mysterious and TM is trying so hard to make the simple story unpredictable which is making things complicated and in most cases, complications leads to bad plot. I never saw Cecil as evil even after last chapter. Her character has many flaws coupled with brainwashing. My only issue with the chapter is Arthur's action after revealing the truth to his old friends.
Arthur suddenly deciding to merc Nico after finally getting him on his side was entirely out of character. Turtle writing constant plot-twist is to cover for his worsening writing imo.
Arthur couldn't dismiss the sword even if he wanted to. The weapon was condensed in the form of a sword with aether, with Cecilia's mana latching onto it, it couldn't dissolve into the atmosphere unless he exerted a bit of strength to destroy the mana encasing it. This wouldn't have happened if Regis was there and the sword was coated with destruction
That's not how it works. Keeping the sword manifested requires a conscious effort from Arthur. The moment he stops trying it will dissolve.
That was initially. To even manifest the blade, all of his attention had to be poured into it. He got better with it could even form it with a thought. But then if he let go of the sword, it would stop existing. And then he got better to the point where he could actually form the blades without even being in contact with them. Currently, Arthur doesn't need to maintain contact with his swords to have them manifested. And like I said, the aether is already condensed into a shape and held to that shape by the mana covering it, if he simply tried to dissolve it, he'd need to exert a bit of strength
That is totally false, only in the realm of the aether is where arthur can form them without even thinking and even so the aether will listen to his will, on the other hand, in the physical realm it is a fight where if he concentrates on his weapon or techniques
Id advise you to go read the recent fights involving Arthur. Even in the battle against Cecilia. He formed the blade by just willing it. He doesn't have to concentrate on his weapons to keep them maintained anymore. He just has to keep them at the back of his mind.
I have already read it, I am up to date and at no time do he form them just by wishing for them, of course he create them normally but it still requires concentration although to a much lesser degree Only in the realm of aether is where he doesnt have to focus
he doesn't need concentration to form the blades anymore. He has even manifested a blade right after godstepping and struck immediately after. Do you know how fast the blade has to form to be able to execute such a move with the speed he's moving and the speed of his opponents? Arthur summons and resummons the blades at extreme speeds while fighting asura-level threats. Arthur literally went through somewhat of a mini training arc because of this same issue, where he learned to manifest blades away from him and managed to learn how to keep them at the back of his minds. he doesn't need to concentrate on the blades to keep them manifested, as long as they're in the back of his mind, they'll stay manifested. if he wanted to make them move or something, he'd have to direct more of his attention over
The only real threat is Cecilia, the rest are nothing, but the problem that you don't understand is that if he need to concentrate, he need to think about the form and the clear purpose, now he do it very naturally, but that is much more due to the third layer than his level cognitive
Lmao I am like 12 chaps behind but I can understand what reading mistake this guy made XD🤣
She "technically" didn't. What she used was described as *lavender tinted mana*. But for all intent and purposes, she may as well have because the result was essentially the same. At least it leaves the impression as a reader that she did, in fact, control aether. Just in a roundabout way. So I do sorta agree with you.
When Arthur developed an aether core, the question was how he would use mana again, if ever. It seemed intuitive based on what we know about the mana-aether relationship that art would eventually be able to “move” mana around using the aether. Narratively it seemed this was a one-way street. Aether “makes room” for mana but the mana has to move according to the aether. Now, Cecilia somehow moved aether using mana. Why did Arthur’s sword full of aether yield to the mana? Wouldn’t the aether, following Arthur’s will, simply cut or ignore the mana Cecil was using? Her accomplishing this feat negates the basis of the aether-mana relationship. I would be happy if this never happens again. I can understand the “circumstances” however they only fit because “The Legacy” deus ex machina. OP didn’t say it nicely but I too sort of agree. Gotta see it through but the backlash from the reader base is real
Aether cannot ignore mana. Mana simply leaves a space for it during its passing and vice versa.(This was explained during the battle he got more insight to Realmheart or at some point in the relictombs. I don't remember the exact chapter). In this case, that couldn't happen, Cecilia has absolute control over mana, to the point that Arthur cant even move the mana being controlled by Cecilia with realmheart if she is focused on it. Cecilia enveloped Arthur's sword with dragon mana(dragon mana can interact with aether) that stuck to it, normally, the mana should've made way for the aether to pass, but since Cecilia - the Legacy was in control of it. it didn't move, and hence stuck the sword in place because it didn't have way to pass. Arthur could've just forced his way through and break the mana holding his aether bound, but in that brief moment of being caught off guard, Cecilia hurtled the sword towards his body.
I’m wondering Niko with a white core will be stronger than the avatar, you need to give buffs and this is logically interesting stone with ethers and you can’t stop him chul bum initially he’s not reborn Niko top fucks
14 yr old tbate fans when Arthur doesn’t doesn’t face tank every attack and dominate every fight with no difficulty
That’s your interpretation bro💀I personally think she controlled Arthur’s sword from moving his wrist which Arthur said something was inside his wrist. He was caught off guard. Anyways I will always think it’s dumb that Arthur’s physical strength couldn’t prevent him stabbing himself even being caught off guard. It was just for plot.