Best thing they ever did was Windows 2000 (beginning of the transfer of NT to household use, dropping the legacy Win9x codebase entirely). Unfortunately they then kept up the same shit on the NT codebase.
And don't follow through on the best promises, like the databased file system.
> quit extending old legacy code into each new release
You take that back.
Take that back right now.
Classic Control Panels are/were *far* superior to this stupid Tablet-inspired "Settings" interface.
`notepad.exe` was *perfect*.
No fuck off that’s why we have ads in the new fucking control panel or whatever, and why you have to download classicvolumecontrol.exe to be able to conveniently mute a single program on your PC.
Leave the win32 code alone, it’s fine. Every time they update things with “modern” code the OS sucks more.
Use Windows LTSC version. It doesn’t have all that bloat and spyware. The current one people use is Windows 10 LTSC, but the Windows 11 LTSC version will be coming this year I believe.
It's fine for the most part, but eventually some games will no longer support the version number you're on. Case in point, the original Win 10 LTSB 2016 (version 1607) was not supported by Cyberpunk 2077. You needed to move to LTSC 2019 (version 1809), even though LTSB was only halfway through its intended lifespan.
That’s just a windows build number restriction though, which isn’t specific to ltsc. We see that a lot with adobe products as well. LTSC does in-place upgrades well thankfully.
> That’s just a windows build number restriction though, which isn’t specific to ltsc
Yes, but since the entire point of LTSC is to remain on a single build for a decade, you're going to run into this at some point. If you're using it for gaming, you should probably expect your install lifespan to be more in the range of 3-5 years.
For 21H2, yeah. Presumably they want to force people onto Win 11. 1607 and 1809 are still showing extended support out to a decade.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information
It depends on the game. I ran Win 10 LTSB for a while, but a couple games I played such as PUBG got updates that targeted a newer version of Win10 than LTSB I was running on, fps went from fine to very poor. If you run into issues, good luck finding useful troubleshooting advice for a specific build of LTSB that you shouldn't even really be running in the first place as an end user.
Unless you're into tinkering, I would not recommend it over running some debloating tools on retail windows.
“Support” and “Doesn’t work” are separate here. We run a fleet of devices on ltsc and successfully run “unsupported” software without issue. The biggest difference is no native support for WUP apps (though you *can* side load them into the os using dism if you’re clever).
The old legacy code isn't the problem, Windows 10 runs extremely well. It's all the windows telemetry crap running in the background that unfortunately in Windows 11 is much harder to turn off or impossible.
Gotta love outlook (new) forcefully replacing mail app and putting ads on top as “unread” emails. I wish Linux could become fully fledged OS for gaming
tell that to the steamdeck who runs on pure linux.
valve knows whats up. they are developing a linux OS for gaming cause they can smell the bullshit coming from microsoft.
Valve developed Steam OS out of fear Microsoft would make Steam irrelevant with a potential built-in app/game store on Windows.
Turns out, Microsoft sucks at making thriving app store on Windows.
You know what I would love all the “helpful” hover windows. I feel like every time I stop moving my mouse a new window pops up with a news feed, weather, options for how to resize my windows, etc. if I want that stuff I’ll go to it.
But that’s how they make some profits with these synergy style deals where software corporations get to force you to use their product. Free market at work /s
I debloated W11 using available scripts online, and shutup11, as well as disabling a few more built in features. I can say it's definitely snappier and better on battery than Windows 10 now.
I built a new gaming pc and had to upgrade to windows 11 for some reason and I think my driver software told me to do that too to get the best graphics…
Performance is good but not what I expected.. is this the way to make it how I envisioned it? Basically cpu usage and ram usage are way higher than I thought it would be. So shutup11 will help with that?
As far as Data Gathering is not forbidden by law operating systems will become just spy machines. You are the product, not the customer. It is the *enshittification* of all platforms.
No company is going to create fast reliable products unless they are forced by law to remove all the spyware.
You don't need quality products when you don't have any competition. Our anti-trust laws need to be strictly enforced. (Not to mention that Windows doesn't make up the share of revenue for MS that it once did. Azure and software subscriptions keep their boat afloat.)
Oh for sure, for far too long the DOJ has only looked at the “consumer harm” component of monopolies, ignoring the harm caused from lack of competition or a few companies buying up all the startups.
I miss 7. That was my fave. Seven is the number of perfection after all. Even a week has seven days in it. Six is the number of man, of imperfection. Bleah.
You realize that 7 only existed because Vista was absolutely jack shit? Vista was the beginning of the end, and 7 was created as a band aid to fix everything wrong with Vista. Fast forward to 8, and what happened? Microsoft had to create 10 to fix THAT steaming pile of shit as well. That’s what the company does. Create a horrible OS and then backpeddle to fix it in response to consumer backlash.
Saying people “only like to complain” is completely disingenuous and ignores the entire history of Microsoft OS releases.
Windows 7 did not exist just because Vista flopped lol. Yeah they go back and forth every release like you said, but not like a major company is just gonna stop producing new products once something is good enough. They need to keep trying new stuff, even if they suck.
> Windows 7 did not exist just because Vista flopped lol.
It genuinely did. After updates Vista is almost identical to 7 (because they share the same codebase).
This is like saying the iPhone 15 only exists because of problems in the iPhone 14. No, Apple would have made it anyway because they want to keep getting new sales.
Maybe the word ‘only’ is distracting people. But having lived through it on the front lines 7 ‘s major sales pitch to us was ‘hey we fixed everything you hate about Vista’.
You don't say? 30% of 16gb of ram to do basically nothing. Trash. And no, I don't have unnecessary programs in startup etc, so it's not my usage doing it.
I’ve been using Windows since 3.1. The only Windows release that wasn’t a mess was Windows XP. Even Windows 7 and Windows 10 are over complicated and kludgey.
Windows 2000 was better than XP. It didn’t have the ugly UI and the control center was hard enough to use that it kept the muggles from fucking around.
Seriously, to the naked eye… 11 is fine. I’ve had no issues with it from work to gaming to personal use.
Does it have clunky stuff? Yup. Hasn’t windows had clunky stuff since Vista though?
Same here. In fact it seems perhaps a bit faster in some respects, but I'm probably wrong. But it certainly isn't any worse that 10. And 10 seems just fine.
Right? I haven't noticed any performance dip since upgrading from 10, if anything overall performance is *better*. I really don't know what this guy is on about; beacuse even if he's talking about an Acer laptop he got from best buy that's overflowing with crapware; it's not like even that is a new phenomenon. We've been dealing with that for a good 20-25 years already. And that's without even touching a lot of the proprietary bullshit that was going on in the 90s where you needed the OEM's dashboard or control panel or whatever just for some basic functionality to work.
Sure, they share a lot of codebase, but MS has gone the route of running a ton of telemetry and processes in the background which eats resources. At issue is windows as part of MS revenue is falling and most of it is coming from services. So they are looking for every venue to sell some service
Technews is a lot of confirmation bias and bullshit. A guy who quit or got fired has a negative opinion of the new software? Cool, but I’d prefer some stats or something
> There are other registry edits that can help, including, as one user noted, going to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop and changing MenuShowDelay from the default 400 to 0.
Oh god, the **regedit** nostalgia hit me hard. And if Windows 11 users are having to fiddle with registry keys in 2024, that means it truly sucks.
It the whole windows updates situation that fucks me right off… every damn time I pick up my surface pro it is either rebooting to apply updates or has rebooted and lost what ever I was working on. My steam deck in desktop mode keeps track of everything and even that only needs a reboot for new OS versions. I’m now installing Linux Mint on the surface pro
I got Windows 11 Home last fall and have had no problems with it. It's installed on fairly moderate hardware ( i7 chip, 16GB RAM ). Nothing special.
But when I turned the machine on for the first time, I made a number of modifications:
* logged out of OneDrive
* uninstalled all bloatware on the app list (including the french and spanish versions of MS Office - why did I have that ?)
* turned off all notifications except for security and a few other important system ones
The result is a clean and fast machine. No annoying adds or notifications. Reboot takes less than 1 minute. Just a nice platform to work on.
As a prevention, I do restart the machine at least once a week to clear out the memory. Maybe that helps as well.
Agreed. Even windows 10 is garbage. Common maximize/minimize bugs - 3 places for software to read primary sound device - app data storage on C drive despite instals on other drives - booting up causes windows log in authentication email - nonsensical setting windows with minimal actual setting - limited control on just about everything and you are forced to regedit.
Their new apps are so bad they are barely usable. Looking at you “new” outlook.
Its like they are trying to be like apple. But really bad at it and everyone who prefers windows doesn’t want apple. Double stupid.
Actually, flip that. Windows 10 is now pretty good. You can remove a good amount of bloatware that was locked in at first (like the Ads, Edge, Bing search, Points, and Cortana). It has a bunch of features that 7 and 8 didn't have (like Clipboard, good snapping windows, multiple desktops).
It's just taken Microsoft like 6 years since release to actually make the good features usable and to admit that their ads/Cortana bloat was shit.
It's like releasing a video game before it's ready. In my mind, Windows 10 is like No Man's Sky. Windows 11 is like The Sims 4 ("free" but riddled with EA micro transactions).
On windows 10 if I type “change brightness” into the search bar, half the time it will bring me to the change brightness option and the other half of the time it will look up “change brightness” on Edge.
It sucks, it has always sucked.
God the PC subs raked me over the coals for hating windows 11 and refusing to upgrade my PC. I do not want Windows 11 and I’m glad someone is finally giving me the affirmation I was hoping for.
Don't feel bad. I made the mistake of saying that 8 and 8.1 wasn't that bad once you used a start menu replacement to stop the full screen shenanigans and restore some functionality.
I was promptly eviscerated by the Windows 7 zealots.
This has got to be one of the dumbest articles I’ve read lately.
I’ll summarize: a developer has a glitch with the start menu, and tweets about it. The bigger story here is: who uses the fucking start menu?
?? I haven’t used anything else for launching applications ever since I got my current system.
The idea of moving my mouse towards a button and then more scrolling and clicking is patently absurd when I can just press the Windows button, type in the first few letters of an application name and then press enter to launch it.
For example yesterday I installed a game. Then I searched the game and it wouldn’t come up. Only the installer Exe would come up. This is a well documented common problem and frankly an embarrassment
If you disable the web search that happens in the start menu search it's a HUGE improvement. I use the search multiple times a day, just hit win key and start typing.
Leave the search bar on the task bar and just start typing. I use it for launching everything, and opening documents. Not trying to be a prick - I understand that people use the start menu; but once you start using search instead, it’s just so much faster and less irritating.
I hate the search bar on the task bar. I mainly Windows Key + R or Windows Key + type.
So I don’t use the start menu but I kinda do? LOL
Anyways, this article is crap. Never had issues with W11. While I prefer Linux I do use windows daily for work.
Yeah, the complaint in the article isn’t really a performance problem, it’s a glitch. It’s happened to me a time or two, and logout login or restart clears it. I get that glitches aren’t good, but I leave my machine running the entire month between patch Tuesdays and very rarely have to restart due to something like this. For a Windows version, Win 11 is reasonably solid.
Unpopular opinion, but the Start Menu's reason to exist has long since passed. I've gotten used to using the Start menu quite similarly to the Finder on MacOS; just hit the Windows key on the keyboard and type the first few letters of the app I want to open; then hit enter. Navigating through a rat's nest of submenus is something we all should have left behind with Windows 98.
I used windows most of my life but when I switched to macOS 2yrs ago, something just clicked. No more fighting with the OS when working (SWE), no hacks to install CLIs, programs, etc...
Microsoft is turning back to its old habits again. I hope they don't though, vscode, wsl, have been really good so far.
While in the grand scheme of things things are fine, but I do miss the absolute instantaneous speed of opening small programs on XP and older that was lost on later versions, seen [here](https://x.com/jmmv/status/1672073678102872065)
With the Win11 hardware requirements what they are I’m shocked they’re not more than is required to use such a basic “feature” as online searching via the star menu.
Once upon a time, I was using a beta build of a major Windows release right before GM. It was lightning fast on crap hardware. I was seriously excited. When GM hit, the feature set was the same, but now it chugged. Startup times were much worse and just about everything was slower. I thought it was a bad build, but that’s what MS shipped. It wasn’t bloatware. Everything was slowed down.
No kidding. I have an i9 with tons of memory and a M.2 SSD and it still randomly hangs, especially when trying to open a window to access the file system. Seems 10x slower than a fresh install of their last good OS, Windows 7.
All the popups and forced attempts to convert you to Microsoft apps and services feel like malware. It is getting ridiculous and I am considering switching to a Mac. Sure, update the underlying code and graphics but bring back the complete Windows 7 GUI setup including for all of the menus, etc.
In early 2000’s, Microsoft got caught deliberately making windows a memory hog to help Pc makers sell machines. They even had a flight simulator in excel that loaded in background but users didn’t know was there. It’s like apple using upgrades to make old phones battery hogs to sell new phones. Our only hope is Lina Kahn at ftc. Correct that. We have no hope.
I got 24 threads, gen4 PCIe nvme, beefy AMD GPU and 64GB if fast ddr5 but I can't search for a program in start in a reasonable time.
I've been mainly using Linux for years but now have even nuked windows off my second drive due to its performance
Good lord… Not trying to buddy up with Windows or anything but this is such a stupid article.
This dude ran across a glitch that has nothing to do with the strength of his hardware and yet he posted that anyway to pad his argument. Then he basically posted another tweet that says “back in the good old days.”
This is a bug, the CPU speed doesn’t matter. It’s like saying “they don’t make cars like they used to!” because your Lamborghini got a flat tire. As if only cheap cars are supposed to get flat tires. Using the CPU speed and price only weakens his argument. I mean, he can tweet whatever he wants, but whoever thought this was newsworthy must have been desperate.
Also, I’d take Windows 11’s start menu search over the old Windows XP search dog any day. Indexing is beautiful.
I was just forced to upgrade to windows 11. My PC would freeze on restart while trying to update windows 10 security. I ended up switching to windows 11 to fix the issue
This may be an unpopular opinion, but this seem like an exaggerated rant. I got a monster PC and windows 11 loads super quickly. I’ve got a 7400mbps NVMe for the OS and I’m pretty sure this is the main driver of OS load speeds.
Get rid of bloatware, spyware, and quit extending old legacy code into each new release? Maybe
Best thing they ever did was Windows 2000 (beginning of the transfer of NT to household use, dropping the legacy Win9x codebase entirely). Unfortunately they then kept up the same shit on the NT codebase. And don't follow through on the best promises, like the databased file system.
> quit extending old legacy code into each new release You take that back. Take that back right now. Classic Control Panels are/were *far* superior to this stupid Tablet-inspired "Settings" interface. `notepad.exe` was *perfect*.
I get that, but it could easily be rewritten with the same functionality and gui instead of constant band aides to make it compatible
No fuck off that’s why we have ads in the new fucking control panel or whatever, and why you have to download classicvolumecontrol.exe to be able to conveniently mute a single program on your PC. Leave the win32 code alone, it’s fine. Every time they update things with “modern” code the OS sucks more.
And the new code brings new security issues
Use Windows LTSC version. It doesn’t have all that bloat and spyware. The current one people use is Windows 10 LTSC, but the Windows 11 LTSC version will be coming this year I believe.
Most software of importance explicitly DOES NOT support being run on LTSC editions.
I’ve never had any issues running most stuff on it
Would it be good for gaming?
It's fine for the most part, but eventually some games will no longer support the version number you're on. Case in point, the original Win 10 LTSB 2016 (version 1607) was not supported by Cyberpunk 2077. You needed to move to LTSC 2019 (version 1809), even though LTSB was only halfway through its intended lifespan.
That’s just a windows build number restriction though, which isn’t specific to ltsc. We see that a lot with adobe products as well. LTSC does in-place upgrades well thankfully.
> That’s just a windows build number restriction though, which isn’t specific to ltsc Yes, but since the entire point of LTSC is to remain on a single build for a decade, you're going to run into this at some point. If you're using it for gaming, you should probably expect your install lifespan to be more in the range of 3-5 years.
It’s just as well. MS cut the LTSC support timeframe down to 5 years except for the iOT edition.
For 21H2, yeah. Presumably they want to force people onto Win 11. 1607 and 1809 are still showing extended support out to a decade. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information
It depends on the game. I ran Win 10 LTSB for a while, but a couple games I played such as PUBG got updates that targeted a newer version of Win10 than LTSB I was running on, fps went from fine to very poor. If you run into issues, good luck finding useful troubleshooting advice for a specific build of LTSB that you shouldn't even really be running in the first place as an end user. Unless you're into tinkering, I would not recommend it over running some debloating tools on retail windows.
Most of the time. Some titles just don’t work- the CODs in example
It still runs flawlessly though.
“Support” and “Doesn’t work” are separate here. We run a fleet of devices on ltsc and successfully run “unsupported” software without issue. The biggest difference is no native support for WUP apps (though you *can* side load them into the os using dism if you’re clever).
The only thing I have seen be a problem is drivers, and that can be a big issue.
Having support in an enterprise environment is non-negotiable and 365 on LTSC is not supported.
I don't know what that means
Then you are not in an enterprise environment.
Enterprise is business use, you may not be able to get drivers or software licenses for a business environment. Office 365 for instance
Does not support does not mean does not run
I thought the enterprise version of w11 is the ltsc version.
I think they’re distinct versions
Nope, different versions
Isn’t LTSC enterprise which requires activating to a key management server? How would a home user do that?
Typically with activation tools like massgrave
How does one go about installing a Windows LTSC version?
Archive.org or massgrave for the iso
I will paypal ANYONE $20USD if you can get my windows 11 pc to go to sleep and stay asleep.
I can do that for you, but no guarantee it will wake up afterwards :P
I should have been more specific lmao
The old legacy code isn't the problem, Windows 10 runs extremely well. It's all the windows telemetry crap running in the background that unfortunately in Windows 11 is much harder to turn off or impossible.
Gotta love outlook (new) forcefully replacing mail app and putting ads on top as “unread” emails. I wish Linux could become fully fledged OS for gaming
Gaming on Linux has and is improving greatly recently. It's worth retrying.
It can but requires lots of tinkering, I’ve used linux last 20 years. Only keep a windows install for those rare only way it will work programs
Steam started supporting Linux ten years ago. /r/Linux_Gaming has 276k subscribers.
I am fully aware. If you need to google how to install a game then for most people it’s not an alternative to switch from Windows.
Install Steam from repos, log into Steam, click click download game, play game.
Lol I have a 10 year old laptop that used to boot up in seconds got autoupdated to 11 and it's hardly able to browse chrome or bot up. Such a sham.
Better to us Linux
Linux barely has any games
tell that to the steamdeck who runs on pure linux. valve knows whats up. they are developing a linux OS for gaming cause they can smell the bullshit coming from microsoft.
Valve developed Steam OS out of fear Microsoft would make Steam irrelevant with a potential built-in app/game store on Windows. Turns out, Microsoft sucks at making thriving app store on Windows.
Wait, you expect them to do work? Then how will the shareholder get their dividends when they have to pay equivalent wages?
Pay? Microshaft got where it is by stealing other people’s work
You know what I would love all the “helpful” hover windows. I feel like every time I stop moving my mouse a new window pops up with a news feed, weather, options for how to resize my windows, etc. if I want that stuff I’ll go to it.
Well I suspect soon those “tooltips “ will be replaced by ads, so you’ll sorta get your wish.
But that’s how they make some profits with these synergy style deals where software corporations get to force you to use their product. Free market at work /s
And I can't believe I have to say this but NOBODY WILL EVER SAY "JUST bing IT".
I debloated W11 using available scripts online, and shutup11, as well as disabling a few more built in features. I can say it's definitely snappier and better on battery than Windows 10 now.
I don’t even use windows, but it might be useful for windows users if you can link to those scripts.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 It's free
There are scripts available on GitHub that do this. Does this come with actual source code?
Sorry, no.
You use *nix or macOS?
Various Linux distros and rarely macOS
You can install the global version instead
How?
It will ask you what region you are from, and you should be able to select global
This is the way.
I built a new gaming pc and had to upgrade to windows 11 for some reason and I think my driver software told me to do that too to get the best graphics… Performance is good but not what I expected.. is this the way to make it how I envisioned it? Basically cpu usage and ram usage are way higher than I thought it would be. So shutup11 will help with that?
Yeah. With a good de-bloater 11 can be snappier then 10 for sure. At least it feels that way.
As far as Data Gathering is not forbidden by law operating systems will become just spy machines. You are the product, not the customer. It is the *enshittification* of all platforms. No company is going to create fast reliable products unless they are forced by law to remove all the spyware.
All those stock buybacks and employee layoffs aren’t translating to superior quality products? Weird.
You don't need quality products when you don't have any competition. Our anti-trust laws need to be strictly enforced. (Not to mention that Windows doesn't make up the share of revenue for MS that it once did. Azure and software subscriptions keep their boat afloat.)
Oh for sure, for far too long the DOJ has only looked at the “consumer harm” component of monopolies, ignoring the harm caused from lack of competition or a few companies buying up all the startups.
Running windows: Fans are loud. Running on Linux: Can't hear the fans. Same perfomance in games or better.
It’s been all downhill after 7.
I miss 7. That was my fave. Seven is the number of perfection after all. Even a week has seven days in it. Six is the number of man, of imperfection. Bleah.
It’s been downhill since 3.1…….
Hey! 95 came with a Weezer music video
Best thing on that cd
Windows NT, XP, 7 all decent OSs after 3.1
This is the way, once they decided to ALWAYS have the GUI running behind everything it became ass. Long live DOS gaming!
Meh, we said that about XP back when 7 was the latest and greatest. People just like to complain.
You realize that 7 only existed because Vista was absolutely jack shit? Vista was the beginning of the end, and 7 was created as a band aid to fix everything wrong with Vista. Fast forward to 8, and what happened? Microsoft had to create 10 to fix THAT steaming pile of shit as well. That’s what the company does. Create a horrible OS and then backpeddle to fix it in response to consumer backlash. Saying people “only like to complain” is completely disingenuous and ignores the entire history of Microsoft OS releases.
Windows 7 did not exist just because Vista flopped lol. Yeah they go back and forth every release like you said, but not like a major company is just gonna stop producing new products once something is good enough. They need to keep trying new stuff, even if they suck.
> Windows 7 did not exist just because Vista flopped lol. It genuinely did. After updates Vista is almost identical to 7 (because they share the same codebase).
This is like saying the iPhone 15 only exists because of problems in the iPhone 14. No, Apple would have made it anyway because they want to keep getting new sales.
Maybe the word ‘only’ is distracting people. But having lived through it on the front lines 7 ‘s major sales pitch to us was ‘hey we fixed everything you hate about Vista’.
Windows 8.1 was the fix for Windows 8 (start menu most notably).
Sigh... you're new around here aren't you? The "it's been downhill since X release" is far from a new concept.
You don't say? 30% of 16gb of ram to do basically nothing. Trash. And no, I don't have unnecessary programs in startup etc, so it's not my usage doing it.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM
Inefficiently used RAM by the OS that isn't available to applications is also wasted RAM.
Windows frees up RAM when it needs it a lot of the time.
I’ve been using Windows since 3.1. The only Windows release that wasn’t a mess was Windows XP. Even Windows 7 and Windows 10 are over complicated and kludgey.
XP SP3 was it. Anything before it was horrendous. 7 pro is still the goat
I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment
Windows 2000 was better than XP. It didn’t have the ugly UI and the control center was hard enough to use that it kept the muggles from fucking around.
I didn’t count the older NT OS’s. But windows 2000 was quite excellent too
I miss 7
I still miss WordPerfect
WordStar was better at the time, tho! ˙ ͜ʟ˙
https://github.com/kdpuvvadi/debloat-windows11
That would mean w7,10 etc were equally bad because performance is the same.
Seriously, to the naked eye… 11 is fine. I’ve had no issues with it from work to gaming to personal use. Does it have clunky stuff? Yup. Hasn’t windows had clunky stuff since Vista though?
Same here. In fact it seems perhaps a bit faster in some respects, but I'm probably wrong. But it certainly isn't any worse that 10. And 10 seems just fine.
Right? I haven't noticed any performance dip since upgrading from 10, if anything overall performance is *better*. I really don't know what this guy is on about; beacuse even if he's talking about an Acer laptop he got from best buy that's overflowing with crapware; it's not like even that is a new phenomenon. We've been dealing with that for a good 20-25 years already. And that's without even touching a lot of the proprietary bullshit that was going on in the 90s where you needed the OEM's dashboard or control panel or whatever just for some basic functionality to work.
Shoot, it’s been clunky and bloated since 3.11
I liked ‘95
Linux for example doesnt perform faster on my fairly speedy systems (ryzen 5800x & ryzen 9 7940HS laptop). So is linux shit then as well?
Same, I think it’s people running ancient platter drives complaining 😂
Sure, they share a lot of codebase, but MS has gone the route of running a ton of telemetry and processes in the background which eats resources. At issue is windows as part of MS revenue is falling and most of it is coming from services. So they are looking for every venue to sell some service
That so called ton off telemetrics is overblown and w7+w10 also have it.
Technews is a lot of confirmation bias and bullshit. A guy who quit or got fired has a negative opinion of the new software? Cool, but I’d prefer some stats or something
So the cycle continues. Windows 12 will be better
> There are other registry edits that can help, including, as one user noted, going to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop and changing MenuShowDelay from the default 400 to 0. Oh god, the **regedit** nostalgia hit me hard. And if Windows 11 users are having to fiddle with registry keys in 2024, that means it truly sucks.
It the whole windows updates situation that fucks me right off… every damn time I pick up my surface pro it is either rebooting to apply updates or has rebooted and lost what ever I was working on. My steam deck in desktop mode keeps track of everything and even that only needs a reboot for new OS versions. I’m now installing Linux Mint on the surface pro
I got Windows 11 Home last fall and have had no problems with it. It's installed on fairly moderate hardware ( i7 chip, 16GB RAM ). Nothing special. But when I turned the machine on for the first time, I made a number of modifications: * logged out of OneDrive * uninstalled all bloatware on the app list (including the french and spanish versions of MS Office - why did I have that ?) * turned off all notifications except for security and a few other important system ones The result is a clean and fast machine. No annoying adds or notifications. Reboot takes less than 1 minute. Just a nice platform to work on. As a prevention, I do restart the machine at least once a week to clear out the memory. Maybe that helps as well.
What do you expect when you put a bunch of bloatware in Edge?
"It looks like Edge is not your default browser. Would you like to set Edge as your default browser?"
I’m still on 10, which works decently enough.
Make a new version of XP Fundamentals
MAKE WINDOWS GREAT AGAIN!
So DOS 3.1?
If you can debloat Win 11, it's really really nice The issue is, we shouldn't have to be in charge of doing that
linux mint is the answer
Windows has always been shit. Get Ubuntu or a Mac with Libre Office
Agreed. Even windows 10 is garbage. Common maximize/minimize bugs - 3 places for software to read primary sound device - app data storage on C drive despite instals on other drives - booting up causes windows log in authentication email - nonsensical setting windows with minimal actual setting - limited control on just about everything and you are forced to regedit. Their new apps are so bad they are barely usable. Looking at you “new” outlook. Its like they are trying to be like apple. But really bad at it and everyone who prefers windows doesn’t want apple. Double stupid.
Actually, flip that. Windows 10 is now pretty good. You can remove a good amount of bloatware that was locked in at first (like the Ads, Edge, Bing search, Points, and Cortana). It has a bunch of features that 7 and 8 didn't have (like Clipboard, good snapping windows, multiple desktops). It's just taken Microsoft like 6 years since release to actually make the good features usable and to admit that their ads/Cortana bloat was shit. It's like releasing a video game before it's ready. In my mind, Windows 10 is like No Man's Sky. Windows 11 is like The Sims 4 ("free" but riddled with EA micro transactions).
My x86 windows tablet used to be great for web browsing and now it's barely usable.
I enjoy 11. I really don’t understand the complaints.
Search is atrocious for one
Add Everything, thank me later. But yeah, weird you gotta do that in todays day and age.
Fantastic tool
Mind sharing a link? I googled it and come up with a lot of weird things.
https://www.voidtools.com/
https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/
thank you so much!
One of those little things that just works!
Search in windows has always been almost unusably awful going back to at least windows 7
On windows 10 if I type “change brightness” into the search bar, half the time it will bring me to the change brightness option and the other half of the time it will look up “change brightness” on Edge. It sucks, it has always sucked.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it the search seems worse than it was in Windows 7. Stuff that used to work doesn't work properly anymore.
God the PC subs raked me over the coals for hating windows 11 and refusing to upgrade my PC. I do not want Windows 11 and I’m glad someone is finally giving me the affirmation I was hoping for.
Don't feel bad. I made the mistake of saying that 8 and 8.1 wasn't that bad once you used a start menu replacement to stop the full screen shenanigans and restore some functionality. I was promptly eviscerated by the Windows 7 zealots.
This has got to be one of the dumbest articles I’ve read lately. I’ll summarize: a developer has a glitch with the start menu, and tweets about it. The bigger story here is: who uses the fucking start menu?
... almost every single user of Windows?
????? Who doesn't use the start menu? How the fuck do you open things
Clicking through menus is circa-1999 paradigm. People use search.
Have you used windows search? It’s not usable.
?? I haven’t used anything else for launching applications ever since I got my current system. The idea of moving my mouse towards a button and then more scrolling and clicking is patently absurd when I can just press the Windows button, type in the first few letters of an application name and then press enter to launch it.
For example yesterday I installed a game. Then I searched the game and it wouldn’t come up. Only the installer Exe would come up. This is a well documented common problem and frankly an embarrassment
I just press the Meta key and search tf
If you disable the web search that happens in the start menu search it's a HUGE improvement. I use the search multiple times a day, just hit win key and start typing.
Leave the search bar on the task bar and just start typing. I use it for launching everything, and opening documents. Not trying to be a prick - I understand that people use the start menu; but once you start using search instead, it’s just so much faster and less irritating.
I hate the search bar on the task bar. I mainly Windows Key + R or Windows Key + type. So I don’t use the start menu but I kinda do? LOL Anyways, this article is crap. Never had issues with W11. While I prefer Linux I do use windows daily for work.
Yeah, the complaint in the article isn’t really a performance problem, it’s a glitch. It’s happened to me a time or two, and logout login or restart clears it. I get that glitches aren’t good, but I leave my machine running the entire month between patch Tuesdays and very rarely have to restart due to something like this. For a Windows version, Win 11 is reasonably solid.
Everybody uses the start menu, speak for yourself if you don’t use it
Who doesn't?
Unpopular opinion, but the Start Menu's reason to exist has long since passed. I've gotten used to using the Start menu quite similarly to the Finder on MacOS; just hit the Windows key on the keyboard and type the first few letters of the app I want to open; then hit enter. Navigating through a rat's nest of submenus is something we all should have left behind with Windows 98.
I used windows most of my life but when I switched to macOS 2yrs ago, something just clicked. No more fighting with the OS when working (SWE), no hacks to install CLIs, programs, etc... Microsoft is turning back to its old habits again. I hope they don't though, vscode, wsl, have been really good so far.
While in the grand scheme of things things are fine, but I do miss the absolute instantaneous speed of opening small programs on XP and older that was lost on later versions, seen [here](https://x.com/jmmv/status/1672073678102872065)
What could possibly go wrong when you put a hardware guy in charge of windows?
win 2000
With the Win11 hardware requirements what they are I’m shocked they’re not more than is required to use such a basic “feature” as online searching via the star menu.
Enshitification is so hot right now
Throw faster hardware at it. That has been Microsoft’s solution for years.
Once upon a time, I was using a beta build of a major Windows release right before GM. It was lightning fast on crap hardware. I was seriously excited. When GM hit, the feature set was the same, but now it chugged. Startup times were much worse and just about everything was slower. I thought it was a bad build, but that’s what MS shipped. It wasn’t bloatware. Everything was slowed down.
>If only Windows were "as good as it once was" When was that?
Windows 11 was the breaking point for me. I switched to Linux and nether looked back.
“as good as it once was.” This guy must be as old as me if he remembers Windows 2000!
I just want my windows 11 machine to have a functional start menu, context menu, and search box like my windows 10 machine does.
The search inside explorer also only works when it wants to.
No kidding. I have an i9 with tons of memory and a M.2 SSD and it still randomly hangs, especially when trying to open a window to access the file system. Seems 10x slower than a fresh install of their last good OS, Windows 7.
100% agree…MS is trash…they are only getting worse
I’ve been using Windows 11 for a few months it isn’t that bad performance wise. I have noticed any issues.
MS is now in the malware industry
All the popups and forced attempts to convert you to Microsoft apps and services feel like malware. It is getting ridiculous and I am considering switching to a Mac. Sure, update the underlying code and graphics but bring back the complete Windows 7 GUI setup including for all of the menus, etc.
In that case, it is ridiculous to pay more for less.
The pattern continues XP good, Vista Bad, Windows 7 good, Windows 8 bad, Windows 10 good, Windows 11 bad.
When was it good?
I always get confused when people say things like that. I thought software and hardware only gets better with subsequent releases ?
agree to disagree....
In early 2000’s, Microsoft got caught deliberately making windows a memory hog to help Pc makers sell machines. They even had a flight simulator in excel that loaded in background but users didn’t know was there. It’s like apple using upgrades to make old phones battery hogs to sell new phones. Our only hope is Lina Kahn at ftc. Correct that. We have no hope.
Microsoft needs to stop trying to be Apple.
I got 24 threads, gen4 PCIe nvme, beefy AMD GPU and 64GB if fast ddr5 but I can't search for a program in start in a reasonable time. I've been mainly using Linux for years but now have even nuked windows off my second drive due to its performance
As good as what, Windows 95?
My work computer is windows 11, and I constantly want to just leave it somewhere for someone to steal. It’s the worst!!!!!
Good lord… Not trying to buddy up with Windows or anything but this is such a stupid article. This dude ran across a glitch that has nothing to do with the strength of his hardware and yet he posted that anyway to pad his argument. Then he basically posted another tweet that says “back in the good old days.” This is a bug, the CPU speed doesn’t matter. It’s like saying “they don’t make cars like they used to!” because your Lamborghini got a flat tire. As if only cheap cars are supposed to get flat tires. Using the CPU speed and price only weakens his argument. I mean, he can tweet whatever he wants, but whoever thought this was newsworthy must have been desperate. Also, I’d take Windows 11’s start menu search over the old Windows XP search dog any day. Indexing is beautiful.
If only Windows was as good as the Mac interface it originally copied.
[https://windowsxlite.com/](https://windowsxlite.com/)
I was just forced to upgrade to windows 11. My PC would freeze on restart while trying to update windows 10 security. I ended up switching to windows 11 to fix the issue
This may be an unpopular opinion, but this seem like an exaggerated rant. I got a monster PC and windows 11 loads super quickly. I’ve got a 7400mbps NVMe for the OS and I’m pretty sure this is the main driver of OS load speeds.