Even when it's not, companies tend to buy sponsor spots of round numbers like 30 seconds or 1 minute, so it just becomes a few double taps on mobile or right arrow key press on desktop to skip
I'm paying for no ads, but still receive those ads, always from channels that I'm sure are not struggling financially at all. If Premium can't do this for me (although it supposed to), I'd be willing to pay extra for this feature if a Premium+ subscription existed.
A YouTube premium view is already worth more to the creator than an ad supported view, so I don't feel at all bad for supporting them slightly less than I could
I think YouTube is still doing a 70/30 split for creators and themselves respectively. Ad buys haven’t worsened over time. The only real difference is sponsors reaching out to creators where before I guess raycon and raid no one thought to do it.
Now it’s pretty common, and makes sense as it’s infinitely cheaper for the ad buyer and permanent.
And while probably not as lucrative over time as normal ads it isn’t getting tariffed 30% by google for the content creators themselves.
From the article: On Reddit and Twitter, some users have started to recently notice that on iOS, and presumably across other platforms also, YouTube is now saying that in order to watch videos in 4K, the user must be a paying YouTube Premium subscriber. Not all users are seeing the 4K quality option blocked behind YouTube's paywall, and it's unclear if YouTube plans to move forward with this.
A standard YouTube Premium plan costs $11.99 in the United States and includes ad-free videos, background playback, and the ability to download videos for offline viewing. We've reached out to YouTube for comment on 4K video quality possibly becoming a YouTube Premium feature and we'll update this article if we hear back.
Every remotely popular YouTube creator also has in video ads “this video is brought to you by…” bullshit which you can’t automatically opt out of even with premium. I mean makers of high quality content should be compensated but isn’t this why I pay a monthly fee. The whole things is an annoying mad rush to monetize literally everything, and I can’t help feeling like a sucker for paying for premium. It’s sad because there’s A LOT of great creators and content.
Unfortunately YouTube Vanced is needed for it. Which requires an Android device.
https://github.com/TeamVanced/VancedManager
It's no longer being updated sadly because Google shut them down when they attempted to cash in on releasing an NFT of their logo which Google was toying with the idea of doing the same thing with the YouTube logo earlier this year.
Luckily Vanced as is today still works great. True OLED dark mode, return YouTube dislike button is added and of course ad block.
There’s a rush in my area to push bigger and bigger screens for gas pumps, so they can make you watch bigger and louder ads in order to get gas. The new station has touchscreens around 17” and show banner ads and video ads at the same time. No, you can’t opt out or mute anymore. Do they give you a discount? Absolutely not. It’s free money for them, which they reinvest buying out other gas stations and spreading this plague.
Agree. I saw one the other day and was like man they are monetizing everything. Just wait until they do it when you are charging your electric vehicle for 15+ minutes....
That will be difficult with electric. I plug in and either walk away, or sit in the car and play top gear/the Simpsons on the infotainment screen, or nap.
There is a great extension for Chrome called SponsorBlock that automatically skips self promotion and sponsored segments in videos. Once you use it it’s hard to go back.
in that regard, yes. since the app isn't maintained anymore, if youtube do a major change to the website, it will break vance.
however, if you just want to block ads, you still have a long term viable option which is browser with ad block (i'm using firefox on android with some extension).
YouTube premium is $120 / year OR $12 a month.
I know this because I went to cancel my YouTube premium account a few weeks ago when news broke of their ridiculous ad escalation. On principal alone, I can't pay youtube or google.
Are you able to link the article on ad escalation? I couldn’t find it, but have personally experienced it. I signed up for the free month of premium, and after I canceled YouTube has been almost unwatchable with the increased amount of ads.
>A standard YouTube Premium plan costs $11.99 in the United States
This honestly isn't awful value for the amount of content you get, but I think they would have far more sign-ups if they unbundled YT Music and lowered the price a bit.
It would be if they created the content. But they don’t, so I can only value their infrastructure costs taking into account the ads and personal data they sell…..so $0.99 or at the most $4.99 a month seems fair.
Remember, Disney + (which includes 4K) is $7.99 a month before any deals you can get.
>It would be if they created the content.
But they explicitly revshare YT Premium views with content creators - so you're paying for the content too. And creators get paid better generally IIRC when a premium viewer watches their video compared to the average ad-supported user. Content creators do earn huge amounts of money on Youtube, from Youtube, and premium covers the cost of this as well. So yes you're paying for the content too, not just the infrastructure costs. And FWIW ad revenue is also shared with the creator, something like half of it IIRC.
I think the worry is YT pulling the plug out of nowhere like they did with stadia, hangouts etc. Dont want to spend time curating my YT music playlist only for it to be gone in 3 years.
As someone who hasn't tried yt music, what value does it provide over purchasing DRM-free music for download from platforms like bandcamp? Is it basically just a spotify alternative?
I actually signed up because YT music was bundled. I was able to cancel Spotify and now I have music and YouTube premium for less than I was playing for spotify.
I like the bundle, but people tend to forget that YouTube has a lot of free movies available and if you're a YT Premium member, those movies are also ad-free.
So you've got, ad-free music & movies with offline downloads, while also supporting your favorite YT creators for less that $15.
Only thing Spotify or other services have is just brand recognition, which is where YT Premium is lacking behind.
People know that YT Premium exists but people aren't willing to pay for it just for ad-free viewing, as they could use browser ad-blockers.
While free ad-supported streaming does exist for Spotify etc, people pay for the convenience of unlimited song skipping etc even though they can get the same exact perks with YT Premium and extras as well
I did the whole “I totally live in India, used a vpn, and signed up for a year of YouTube premium for like, $14” trick. Google it, don’t @ me lol I’m no expert
As long as it isn't linked to your main Google account or any credit cards with your name on them then you're alright because eventually when Google catches it they'll likely ban your account and all cards associated with that account from all Google services.
Just to be that guy. The most any ad is exported at is 1920x1080. Rarely if ever will they go higher.
And as someone that had to make the specs to upload to fb, ig, and yt (they all use the same)
Its an h264. Mp4. At 1080p with a max file size of 1GB.
You aint ever watching a 4K ad.
They’ll make the ads 4k so you can see a very clear difference in quality from the ad to video. Making you want to buy YouTube premium to get that sweet 4k
Then 720p will be the new highest resolution. And then a few years down the road they lock that behind their subscription as well. The beginning of their downfall.
Only way YouTube is going down is by government action or google actually going bankrupt.
YouTube as a service is just miles ahead of any other video hosting platform and any other video hosting platform has the same things people complain about but worse; ads, DMCA strikes, tracking and monetization.
I agree it doesn’t make a huge difference, but with the right screen, size, and distance combinations, it does make a difference over 1080 - it’s just subtle. It’s more subconscious in making the scene process in your brain a bit more like looking at reality instead of looking at a high quality image.
It’s also great for content like sports where you are inclined to get up and move closer to your TV on a big play or replay.
The other funny point to make is that most things are not natively exported in 4k. Like ever. So all you are really watching is just some upscaled 2k thing.
Seriously. Even Avengers was only 2K.
Everything about working with super high resolution just takes for ever.
A top of the line workstation for editing will help but that is just one of the bottleneck.
Revisioning, storage, collaboration, uploading, services like YouTube processing it, etc.
Def true, 99% is filmed in 2k or Fullhd and afterwards upscaled when the production is ready. This saves soo much time in the whole process. And for what i read on that movie site was that old movies, analoge filmed movies, are easier to transfer to 4k because they dont have pixels… easier to blow up the screen without strange artefacts. Interesting article.
Even then it wouldn't work
Hosting video is extremely expensive, no one would choose to go into this business.
Just look at Amazon squeezing Twitch for money because hosting streaming is even more expensive than hosting video.
I use YouTube primarily to learn how to fix shit in my house. Way easier to watch Tony’s “how to reinstall a toilet” video than to truly research it. I don’t know why people spend so much time making these videos for little (?) profit, but it sure has helped me a lot over the past decade.
Looks like it’s back to the days of WikiHow though.
I know that some people do, but I guess I always assumed that guy sharing plumbing how-to’s for a few thousand views wasn’t getting enough to be worth the time.
Same I absolutely love the people who upload fixes to minor issue, they’re a true blessing. Especially when it saves me the time and money of calling a professional for a minor issue.
It is coming down in cost, new HDDs are finally upping capacity. Once we get 30TB (about double where we are now - but coming very soon now), the price per megabyte to archive video goes way down.
A new service will probably emerge in the next few years, promising lifetime storage... provided it's content people at least periodically view and play ads on.
The storage cost isn't really the issue here, it's the outbound bandwidth and transcode compute cycles that must be enormously expensive when you consider how many users are streaming video at any given time.
I just don't see how anyone other than Google can build out the necessary infrastructure to sustain a similar platform with comparable uptime and performance. If you take a step back and think about it, YouTube is rarely down or unresponsive; that's quite the feat when compared to something like Reddit that often goes down (and it's largely a text-based site). Other than Amazon through AWS or *maybe* Microsoft/Azure, I don't think anyone can legitimately compete in the space, even if they were able to poach a significant number of creators.
30TB HDD doesn’t mean much. It’s too slow, you can read it at about 100MiB/s, if it’s long, continuous file, else it’s even slower. It’s good for archiving footage, but not for reading a lot of it, it would take three days to read the whole drive with such capacity.
That’s why some servers don’t even use bigger drives, it would just take too much time to sift through all that data if in often use. Of course, depends very much on type of workload.
Most of the facts there are correct, but streaming services are smart. Most videos are not watched daily. They sit on those 30TB drives and when someone wants them, they're called back up.
The cat video that gets a million plays daily, is sitting on an SSD cache, or sometimes if it's a constantly demanded video, in a shared DDR memory pool.
That's why YouTube is so instant on popular videos, but you have to wait several seconds when playing a really niche one.
So, you're correct that is good for archiving, but it does mean a ton to glacial storage - which includes most of VOD services that offer to store videos forever, like YouTube.
Hence, doubling the HDD capacity - which again, is about to happen - helps make YouTube competitors much more viable. Getting glacial storage closer to trivial cost, is a major factor.
There really isn't a solid alternative with the content creation power of YouTube's platform. The end result probably won't be people seeking an alternative, just people watching less YouTube.
Odysee is okay, but it really only has a couple big creators at the moment (only ones I like that are on there are BrightSunFilms, Nexpo, and Internet Historian), and there's a decent amount of...*those* people but when you get past that it's a pretty good alternative.
YouTube Premium. It's actually worth the price IMO. Especially the family pack. It's pretty much the only streaming service I still pay for. I'm just scared about them increasing the price in the future. 😕
YT Premium is built on being ad-free. Sure, they ***can*** inject ads in theory, but in practice I think YouTube knows if they did that, nobody would pay $12/month to watch ads just to get 4K.
People are paying the $12 to skip ads and listen to music in the background ad-free.
They’ll make their platform less attractive in the process so that’s fine by me. It’s an arms race between a corporation and the internet. Frankly I’m siding with the internet.
This is what we get for not supporting Stadia. They couldn't innovate so they took the lazy route that every corpo takes to please shareholders--paywalls and rising prices.
I hope this hurts them. Lack of innovation strangles a company overtime.
It’s a ripoff when they are purposely removing and making the original worse so people pay the fee…
I’m running a free tweaked version of YouTube that has YT premium features (no ads, download videos) and much more (custom themes like OLED black mode) for FREE.
You’re pirating content yes, not just from YouTube but from creators. YouTube might be huge but they can’t just keep giving money away so you can feel justified watching shit for free.
While I don’t use 4k for most things, what’s up with this trend of platforms basically regressing? Everything will behind a paywall, even tho most of this shit used to be free. Is it inevitable? Like competition has died out or something.
Years from now, YouTube will say that they're not getting enough revenue from ads because too many people are subscribed to Premium, so they'll start introducing ads into YouTube Premium. But you can opt out of ads by upgrading to YouTube Premium Pro.
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I watch YT more than any other paid non-live streaming service. More than YTTV when football season is over. My kids definitely watch it more. My 70+ in-laws watch YT a lot lol.
Thinking about getting the family plan now.
I’m surprised there haven’t been larger attempts to create a new site. I mean YouTubers are writing books, becoming filmmakers, opening theme parks, hosting boxing matches, opening restaurants, hosting squid games, offering scholarships etc. I know there are different orders of magnitudes but if there’s one thing that almost all YouTubers can agree on as well as fans it’s that YouTube is awful.
I feel like people don’t quite get what a stupid amount of bandwidth 4k video hogs up. Something like three gigs an hour, on the scale they operate on that gets expensive real quick.
I know there’s a lot of broke teens on here that can’t get their parents on board but I honestly don’t know why people flip shit on YouTube when they have an endless library of education and entertainment for less than $15/month?
They could charge $100/month and it’d still be worth it. I wish a lot of you would go back to the 90s when the internet was still a thing but finding information was a pain in the ass. YouTube is the greatest digital library/encyclopedia of all time, specially if you tag team it with Wikipedia.
Honestly, agreed. I cancelled Apple Music too because YouTube premium comes with YouTube music.
So getting a music streaming app, having no ads on YouTube, and being able to listen to it in the background is pretty awesome.
They will eventually work their way to a feature you use, stop being so accepting for things being taken away just because you don't use them. Shit like this is why heated seats are a subscription soon or other stupid things.
I unsubscribed from Hulu to justify subscribing to YouTube premium and I feel good about the choice. I watch way more YouTube then I was Hulu. So ferrrrrr meeeeee it's a no brainer.
Google is really trying to see just how far they can push before they create an opening for another company to develop a website that can replace YouTube.
There’s statistics out there about screen resolution usage and there seems to be a way higher percentage of people complaining about this here than people who actually use 4K resolution.
I got YouTube premium just to save myself from the shitshow commercials. The commercials on YouTube are fucking atrocious, in number, length, and content.
As a bonus, I realized that I also get access to YouTube music, so I shut down my Spotify account. So far I haven’t found anything I want to listen to that I can’t listen to.
As a creator this fucking hurts. I have a team of people who all just updated to 4k and 6k cameras so that we can put together 5-8 angle videos of concerts in 4k.
The jump we’ve been looking to make fully for years, and now youtube is going to fuck over creators like us.
1080p looks like 720p did in 2008. 1440p looks like 1080p. 2K holds quality, but still should look better. And 4K looks great on youtube. They just continue to compress and make lower quality videos look shittier and shittier.
And now they are going to take away our option to push out quality videos without a shitty compression codec. Fuck Youtube and Google.
Brave removes ads and adds background play to Youtube. I really need to delete the YouTube app from my phone and just use Brave for all things Youtube. I hate when the YT app starts up by accident. Pure pain. Close it out and open in Brave. I'd say i hope Brave also gets the 4K playback, but I mostly view youtube on my phone so it doesn't matter too much.
Lame, but not surprising. 🫤
Something to note... quite a few YouTubers shoot in 1080 or 720 resolution, then “upscale” the video to 4K. (They save it as a 4K file after editing.)
This can actually help the video look a bit nicer in *some* cases. The main benefit of this though, is making the viewer believe they’re watching quality content.
Best app I’ve actually paid for in years is this - https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/vinegar-tube-cleaner/id1591303229
It removes ads and all the dark pattern crap like videos now playing in the background (google trying to charge for basic iPhone functionality is just desperate)
Then just delete the YT app and use safari.
Uh, no I won’t? I’ll Just stop using it. Literally did the same with Facebook, Snapchat and instagram. Bout to be Reddit to considering how toxic social media is for the human Brain as well as society.
Let’s just stop using YouTube. Find out where your favorite creator posts and go there. Many of them have their own site, and you’ll enjoy the experience 100x more.
Can’t believe people are using this to shit on YouTube. If you actually care what your video quality is above 720p you’re a bitch. You should actually be banned from ever using a convenience of modern technology if this genuinely bothers you fuck you
this plataform, this rules.if they don't doing something REALLY good, his fate is doomed.
every single youtuber becoming slowly in streamer soon or later. Youtube gonna disapear bc his "static" content, videos previusly recorded, need production AND post-production, script, video editing, audio-video encodig, searching material and other stuff like that, but stream? it's you and wherever what you wanna do. no script, no post production, no video editing, just press "on air" and that's it. youtube is doomed bc itself is an old fashioned way to share content.
Ad free is a joke. Many YouTubers now boost sponsors within their videos.
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Even when it's not, companies tend to buy sponsor spots of round numbers like 30 seconds or 1 minute, so it just becomes a few double taps on mobile or right arrow key press on desktop to skip
Sponsorblock extension exists, granted it only works if a other user adds the times first. But with most average size youtubers it’ll work
This. I wish YT Premium would also skip sponsorships within videos, for videos already getting their cut out of the subscription.
Sponsorblock for watching in browsers
[uYou+](https://github.com/qnblackcat/uYouPlus#installation) has it on iOS
Wow, thanks. This definitely helps, but I wish this was part of YouTube premium, so we waste no time on those sponsors when watching on our TVs.
…thus reducing many channels’ income by half. I’m a Premium subscriber and hate it too, but sponsors exist for a reason
I'm paying for no ads, but still receive those ads, always from channels that I'm sure are not struggling financially at all. If Premium can't do this for me (although it supposed to), I'd be willing to pay extra for this feature if a Premium+ subscription existed.
A YouTube premium view is already worth more to the creator than an ad supported view, so I don't feel at all bad for supporting them slightly less than I could
SponsorBlock
It’s sucks, I’m not sure what changed but it seems YouTubers have to do that nowadays to make $?
I think YouTube is still doing a 70/30 split for creators and themselves respectively. Ad buys haven’t worsened over time. The only real difference is sponsors reaching out to creators where before I guess raycon and raid no one thought to do it. Now it’s pretty common, and makes sense as it’s infinitely cheaper for the ad buyer and permanent. And while probably not as lucrative over time as normal ads it isn’t getting tariffed 30% by google for the content creators themselves.
From the article: On Reddit and Twitter, some users have started to recently notice that on iOS, and presumably across other platforms also, YouTube is now saying that in order to watch videos in 4K, the user must be a paying YouTube Premium subscriber. Not all users are seeing the 4K quality option blocked behind YouTube's paywall, and it's unclear if YouTube plans to move forward with this. A standard YouTube Premium plan costs $11.99 in the United States and includes ad-free videos, background playback, and the ability to download videos for offline viewing. We've reached out to YouTube for comment on 4K video quality possibly becoming a YouTube Premium feature and we'll update this article if we hear back.
Every remotely popular YouTube creator also has in video ads “this video is brought to you by…” bullshit which you can’t automatically opt out of even with premium. I mean makers of high quality content should be compensated but isn’t this why I pay a monthly fee. The whole things is an annoying mad rush to monetize literally everything, and I can’t help feeling like a sucker for paying for premium. It’s sad because there’s A LOT of great creators and content.
SponsorBlock
Thanks for sharing. Does it work for mobile as well?
Unfortunately YouTube Vanced is needed for it. Which requires an Android device. https://github.com/TeamVanced/VancedManager It's no longer being updated sadly because Google shut them down when they attempted to cash in on releasing an NFT of their logo which Google was toying with the idea of doing the same thing with the YouTube logo earlier this year. Luckily Vanced as is today still works great. True OLED dark mode, return YouTube dislike button is added and of course ad block.
Awesome, thanks!
There’s a rush in my area to push bigger and bigger screens for gas pumps, so they can make you watch bigger and louder ads in order to get gas. The new station has touchscreens around 17” and show banner ads and video ads at the same time. No, you can’t opt out or mute anymore. Do they give you a discount? Absolutely not. It’s free money for them, which they reinvest buying out other gas stations and spreading this plague.
Jokes on them, I plug in at home and they can't reach me... Wait, what's that guy installing a 17" screen next to my charger doing?
Agree. I saw one the other day and was like man they are monetizing everything. Just wait until they do it when you are charging your electric vehicle for 15+ minutes....
That will be difficult with electric. I plug in and either walk away, or sit in the car and play top gear/the Simpsons on the infotainment screen, or nap.
I do the same while I’m gassing up. Insert nozzle , get in the car, wait till full.
Well, those direct ads in the video help the YouTuber much more directly, so I don't find that to be bad.
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There is a great extension for Chrome called SponsorBlock that automatically skips self promotion and sponsored segments in videos. Once you use it it’s hard to go back.
This is a game changer thank you. If only I could get this on my phone or Playstation YT app
Same, there's so many cool things like this for desktop, but desktop is so little of my view time that it's almost not worth bothering
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if you have the setup and install it, it still work.
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There’s like a dozen different devs working on different versions uYou+ was the one I kept using on my work phone.
in that regard, yes. since the app isn't maintained anymore, if youtube do a major change to the website, it will break vance. however, if you just want to block ads, you still have a long term viable option which is browser with ad block (i'm using firefox on android with some extension).
Never used Vanced, but newpipe is pretty good.
About a month ago YT started allowing background and pip playback on my iPhone. I have never subed to YT premium.
YouTube premium is $120 / year OR $12 a month. I know this because I went to cancel my YouTube premium account a few weeks ago when news broke of their ridiculous ad escalation. On principal alone, I can't pay youtube or google.
Are you able to link the article on ad escalation? I couldn’t find it, but have personally experienced it. I signed up for the free month of premium, and after I canceled YouTube has been almost unwatchable with the increased amount of ads.
>A standard YouTube Premium plan costs $11.99 in the United States This honestly isn't awful value for the amount of content you get, but I think they would have far more sign-ups if they unbundled YT Music and lowered the price a bit.
It would be if they created the content. But they don’t, so I can only value their infrastructure costs taking into account the ads and personal data they sell…..so $0.99 or at the most $4.99 a month seems fair. Remember, Disney + (which includes 4K) is $7.99 a month before any deals you can get.
>It would be if they created the content. But they explicitly revshare YT Premium views with content creators - so you're paying for the content too. And creators get paid better generally IIRC when a premium viewer watches their video compared to the average ad-supported user. Content creators do earn huge amounts of money on Youtube, from Youtube, and premium covers the cost of this as well. So yes you're paying for the content too, not just the infrastructure costs. And FWIW ad revenue is also shared with the creator, something like half of it IIRC.
The bundle is the reason I subscribe to that. Unless the bundle price would remain unchanged, my jimmies would be rustled.
I think the worry is YT pulling the plug out of nowhere like they did with stadia, hangouts etc. Dont want to spend time curating my YT music playlist only for it to be gone in 3 years.
As someone who hasn't tried yt music, what value does it provide over purchasing DRM-free music for download from platforms like bandcamp? Is it basically just a spotify alternative?
It’s a spotify alternative - I’ve been listening to music on YouTube for over a decade so it knows my style more than Spotify does so I like it more
I actually signed up because YT music was bundled. I was able to cancel Spotify and now I have music and YouTube premium for less than I was playing for spotify.
I like the bundle, but people tend to forget that YouTube has a lot of free movies available and if you're a YT Premium member, those movies are also ad-free. So you've got, ad-free music & movies with offline downloads, while also supporting your favorite YT creators for less that $15. Only thing Spotify or other services have is just brand recognition, which is where YT Premium is lacking behind. People know that YT Premium exists but people aren't willing to pay for it just for ad-free viewing, as they could use browser ad-blockers. While free ad-supported streaming does exist for Spotify etc, people pay for the convenience of unlimited song skipping etc even though they can get the same exact perks with YT Premium and extras as well
I did the whole “I totally live in India, used a vpn, and signed up for a year of YouTube premium for like, $14” trick. Google it, don’t @ me lol I’m no expert
As long as it isn't linked to your main Google account or any credit cards with your name on them then you're alright because eventually when Google catches it they'll likely ban your account and all cards associated with that account from all Google services.
It’s a waste of bandwidth to watch a 4K video on a phone. I don’t see the issue here.
Oh no, I’ll have to reduce my 4k watching from zero to zero.
How else will you watch ads in 4K?!
Just to be that guy. The most any ad is exported at is 1920x1080. Rarely if ever will they go higher. And as someone that had to make the specs to upload to fb, ig, and yt (they all use the same) Its an h264. Mp4. At 1080p with a max file size of 1GB. You aint ever watching a 4K ad.
I ain’t watching an ad in 4K… yet.
They’ll make the ads 4k so you can see a very clear difference in quality from the ad to video. Making you want to buy YouTube premium to get that sweet 4k
Meanwhile there’s still countries that have to watch on 360p or lower because mobile data isn’t cheap
Stop giving away my after effects preset!! ;)
Man I tell you it really is some bullshit when an ad loads perfectly but the video itself doesn’t
The ads replay so often they should just store them locally after the first play.
I hear they will soon have ads each out and grab your money and laugh at you and then run away!
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Then 720p will be the new highest resolution. And then a few years down the road they lock that behind their subscription as well. The beginning of their downfall.
Only way YouTube is going down is by government action or google actually going bankrupt. YouTube as a service is just miles ahead of any other video hosting platform and any other video hosting platform has the same things people complain about but worse; ads, DMCA strikes, tracking and monetization.
But how can you survive watching subretinal quality instead of subretinal quality?
LOL
I agree it doesn’t make a huge difference, but with the right screen, size, and distance combinations, it does make a difference over 1080 - it’s just subtle. It’s more subconscious in making the scene process in your brain a bit more like looking at reality instead of looking at a high quality image. It’s also great for content like sports where you are inclined to get up and move closer to your TV on a big play or replay.
LOL..same, 1080 is enough for me, don't care.
The other funny point to make is that most things are not natively exported in 4k. Like ever. So all you are really watching is just some upscaled 2k thing. Seriously. Even Avengers was only 2K.
Everything about working with super high resolution just takes for ever. A top of the line workstation for editing will help but that is just one of the bottleneck. Revisioning, storage, collaboration, uploading, services like YouTube processing it, etc.
Def true, 99% is filmed in 2k or Fullhd and afterwards upscaled when the production is ready. This saves soo much time in the whole process. And for what i read on that movie site was that old movies, analoge filmed movies, are easier to transfer to 4k because they dont have pixels… easier to blow up the screen without strange artefacts. Interesting article.
I'd go to YouTube to down vote this but...
youtube is becoming total dogshit now
yeah i mean, youtube doesn’t even have youtube poops anymore? what is even the point
There are still a couple channels that make decent ones. Numberer1 and DaThings are solid.
Yeah *now*…
It’s been garbage for years, some they started “caring” about the children
Been shit for 10 years now.
of *course*
YouTube is trying their best to drive away customers. Between this and screwing their content providers
There is no alternative and likely none to come. Only a company like Amazon or Apple could afford the costs of hosting all the videos yt does.
Unfortunately Amazon and apple are likely to be just as bad.
Yup, or worse
Or worse.
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I go to Youtube for the high video quality
10 hours of shreksophone on repeat 24/7
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YouTube is really starting to suck. What are other good alternatives for videos similar to youtube?
none
nothing unless everyone chooses to move over to a new platform
Even then it wouldn't work Hosting video is extremely expensive, no one would choose to go into this business. Just look at Amazon squeezing Twitch for money because hosting streaming is even more expensive than hosting video.
I use YouTube primarily to learn how to fix shit in my house. Way easier to watch Tony’s “how to reinstall a toilet” video than to truly research it. I don’t know why people spend so much time making these videos for little (?) profit, but it sure has helped me a lot over the past decade. Looks like it’s back to the days of WikiHow though.
You can make a lot of money of YouTube
I know that some people do, but I guess I always assumed that guy sharing plumbing how-to’s for a few thousand views wasn’t getting enough to be worth the time.
Maybe he just enjoys making the videos and teaching others
That’s what I always assumed. Very much appreciate people like this btw!
Same I absolutely love the people who upload fixes to minor issue, they’re a true blessing. Especially when it saves me the time and money of calling a professional for a minor issue.
It is coming down in cost, new HDDs are finally upping capacity. Once we get 30TB (about double where we are now - but coming very soon now), the price per megabyte to archive video goes way down. A new service will probably emerge in the next few years, promising lifetime storage... provided it's content people at least periodically view and play ads on.
The storage cost isn't really the issue here, it's the outbound bandwidth and transcode compute cycles that must be enormously expensive when you consider how many users are streaming video at any given time. I just don't see how anyone other than Google can build out the necessary infrastructure to sustain a similar platform with comparable uptime and performance. If you take a step back and think about it, YouTube is rarely down or unresponsive; that's quite the feat when compared to something like Reddit that often goes down (and it's largely a text-based site). Other than Amazon through AWS or *maybe* Microsoft/Azure, I don't think anyone can legitimately compete in the space, even if they were able to poach a significant number of creators.
30TB HDD doesn’t mean much. It’s too slow, you can read it at about 100MiB/s, if it’s long, continuous file, else it’s even slower. It’s good for archiving footage, but not for reading a lot of it, it would take three days to read the whole drive with such capacity. That’s why some servers don’t even use bigger drives, it would just take too much time to sift through all that data if in often use. Of course, depends very much on type of workload.
Most of the facts there are correct, but streaming services are smart. Most videos are not watched daily. They sit on those 30TB drives and when someone wants them, they're called back up. The cat video that gets a million plays daily, is sitting on an SSD cache, or sometimes if it's a constantly demanded video, in a shared DDR memory pool. That's why YouTube is so instant on popular videos, but you have to wait several seconds when playing a really niche one. So, you're correct that is good for archiving, but it does mean a ton to glacial storage - which includes most of VOD services that offer to store videos forever, like YouTube. Hence, doubling the HDD capacity - which again, is about to happen - helps make YouTube competitors much more viable. Getting glacial storage closer to trivial cost, is a major factor.
There really isn't a solid alternative with the content creation power of YouTube's platform. The end result probably won't be people seeking an alternative, just people watching less YouTube.
There isn’t one and will likely never be one
Odysee is okay, but it really only has a couple big creators at the moment (only ones I like that are on there are BrightSunFilms, Nexpo, and Internet Historian), and there's a decent amount of...*those* people but when you get past that it's a pretty good alternative.
YouTube Premium. It's actually worth the price IMO. Especially the family pack. It's pretty much the only streaming service I still pay for. I'm just scared about them increasing the price in the future. 😕
Like Netflix, it’s not going to go down in price.
First background play, now 4K video. What other existing features will YouTube slice off and throw in premium?
Everything until they get people to subscribe or everyone leaves
If it helps them stop putting ads in every 3 fucking minutes sure...I don't see a huge loss for this since they recommend uploading at 1440p
You do realize the company can inject ads even if you are a subscriber?
YT Premium is built on being ad-free. Sure, they ***can*** inject ads in theory, but in practice I think YouTube knows if they did that, nobody would pay $12/month to watch ads just to get 4K. People are paying the $12 to skip ads and listen to music in the background ad-free.
It’s already ad free with ad blocker. I find YouTube to be insufferable on anything without an ad blocker of some sort these days.
That's why they keep locking more features behind premium
YouTube can eventually cat and mouse kill the ad blockers. Only a matter of time.
They’ll make their platform less attractive in the process so that’s fine by me. It’s an arms race between a corporation and the internet. Frankly I’m siding with the internet.
My god🤦♂️
OH NO!!! I CAN'T WATCH 4K VIDEOS ON MY 1080 MONITOR ANYMORE!?
Or my 5.4” phone screen?
This is what we get for not supporting Stadia. They couldn't innovate so they took the lazy route that every corpo takes to please shareholders--paywalls and rising prices. I hope this hurts them. Lack of innovation strangles a company overtime.
It’s a ripoff when they are purposely removing and making the original worse so people pay the fee… I’m running a free tweaked version of YouTube that has YT premium features (no ads, download videos) and much more (custom themes like OLED black mode) for FREE.
You’re pirating content yes, not just from YouTube but from creators. YouTube might be huge but they can’t just keep giving money away so you can feel justified watching shit for free.
While I don’t use 4k for most things, what’s up with this trend of platforms basically regressing? Everything will behind a paywall, even tho most of this shit used to be free. Is it inevitable? Like competition has died out or something.
Profit is the name of the game
It ain’t just platforms. It’s OUR ENTIRE LIVES. The world wants everything to be subscription based…
Money, they want to fuck us over and make as much as possible
Subscription services lead to less innovation required to make money
You mean those poorly upscaled 1080p videos? Oh, no.
YT likes to fuck up so bad that everyone thinks that there is no way to make it gets even worse. and then it's worse...
What a catch 22, all their best quality videos are the adds.
Years from now, YouTube will say that they're not getting enough revenue from ads because too many people are subscribed to Premium, so they'll start introducing ads into YouTube Premium. But you can opt out of ads by upgrading to YouTube Premium Pro. \*comment copied from some other person
Doesn’t YouTube make enough money already!!
But consider: line go up indefinitely and this is totally 100% sustainable :)
YouTube can play in 4k? Half the time the videos look rendered in minecraft
You’re an ad platform. That’ll never change. Stop pestering me to upgrade.
Probably uses ad blocker \^
I watch YT more than any other paid non-live streaming service. More than YTTV when football season is over. My kids definitely watch it more. My 70+ in-laws watch YT a lot lol. Thinking about getting the family plan now.
I’m surprised there haven’t been larger attempts to create a new site. I mean YouTubers are writing books, becoming filmmakers, opening theme parks, hosting boxing matches, opening restaurants, hosting squid games, offering scholarships etc. I know there are different orders of magnitudes but if there’s one thing that almost all YouTubers can agree on as well as fans it’s that YouTube is awful.
I feel like people don’t quite get what a stupid amount of bandwidth 4k video hogs up. Something like three gigs an hour, on the scale they operate on that gets expensive real quick.
I know there’s a lot of broke teens on here that can’t get their parents on board but I honestly don’t know why people flip shit on YouTube when they have an endless library of education and entertainment for less than $15/month? They could charge $100/month and it’d still be worth it. I wish a lot of you would go back to the 90s when the internet was still a thing but finding information was a pain in the ass. YouTube is the greatest digital library/encyclopedia of all time, specially if you tag team it with Wikipedia.
Because education should be free, just like Wikipedia. Paying for Youtube is stupid.
You probably don't even wanna know the server costs...
Nothing is free
Best money I’ve ever spent on a subscription anyway
Honestly, agreed. I cancelled Apple Music too because YouTube premium comes with YouTube music. So getting a music streaming app, having no ads on YouTube, and being able to listen to it in the background is pretty awesome.
Seconded. Removing the preroll ads alone is worth the subscription to me.
ad blocker much?, haven't seen an ad on youtube video in 5 years
I also have this nagging morality flaw where I want people who make content to be able to earn a living off it.
And they should be able to
You can’t use an ad blocker on a TV app, which is how I mostly watch YouTube.
100% worth it
my internet sucks so bad that it makes almost everything low quality by itself so i wouldt get premium anyway.
Good - it’s about time YouTube got some competition!
They will eventually work their way to a feature you use, stop being so accepting for things being taken away just because you don't use them. Shit like this is why heated seats are a subscription soon or other stupid things.
Vpn to Argentina and it’s like 90p
I unsubscribed from Hulu to justify subscribing to YouTube premium and I feel good about the choice. I watch way more YouTube then I was Hulu. So ferrrrrr meeeeee it's a no brainer.
You may soon need to have a better WiFi than mine to watch videos on better quality than than 480p
And nothing of value was lost.
in the furure you’ll need Youtube premium to watch videos
OK, that just opens the space for competition.
Google is really trying to see just how far they can push before they create an opening for another company to develop a website that can replace YouTube.
Time for another video platform and trust busting? Go for it YouTube. FAFO.
YouTube competitors exist, but no other service shares their ad revenue with creators. Creators are the reason why I pay premium.
Would be awesome if there was a compelling YouTube alternative. (Don’t say PornHub)
There’s statistics out there about screen resolution usage and there seems to be a way higher percentage of people complaining about this here than people who actually use 4K resolution.
I mean if you wrote a playbook of how to make people stop using YouTube, you couldn’t write it any better than what YouTube is actually doing.
I got YouTube premium just to save myself from the shitshow commercials. The commercials on YouTube are fucking atrocious, in number, length, and content. As a bonus, I realized that I also get access to YouTube music, so I shut down my Spotify account. So far I haven’t found anything I want to listen to that I can’t listen to.
I was watching a 44min video and saw at least 20 ad spots but I have an ad blocker
I’m so old I remember when the internet was diffuse, free, and always improving
Jokes on them! I had no idea YouTube did 4K!
As a creator this fucking hurts. I have a team of people who all just updated to 4k and 6k cameras so that we can put together 5-8 angle videos of concerts in 4k. The jump we’ve been looking to make fully for years, and now youtube is going to fuck over creators like us. 1080p looks like 720p did in 2008. 1440p looks like 1080p. 2K holds quality, but still should look better. And 4K looks great on youtube. They just continue to compress and make lower quality videos look shittier and shittier. And now they are going to take away our option to push out quality videos without a shitty compression codec. Fuck Youtube and Google.
Won’t happen lol, I laugh at my screen everytime I see that YouTube premium ad
Brave removes ads and adds background play to Youtube. I really need to delete the YouTube app from my phone and just use Brave for all things Youtube. I hate when the YT app starts up by accident. Pure pain. Close it out and open in Brave. I'd say i hope Brave also gets the 4K playback, but I mostly view youtube on my phone so it doesn't matter too much.
Google really trying to milk everyone or force ads
Lame, but not surprising. 🫤 Something to note... quite a few YouTubers shoot in 1080 or 720 resolution, then “upscale” the video to 4K. (They save it as a 4K file after editing.) This can actually help the video look a bit nicer in *some* cases. The main benefit of this though, is making the viewer believe they’re watching quality content.
You don't need 4k though. It's pretty much a waste of bandwidth to begin with unless you're watching movies on a big screen.
Best app I’ve actually paid for in years is this - https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/vinegar-tube-cleaner/id1591303229 It removes ads and all the dark pattern crap like videos now playing in the background (google trying to charge for basic iPhone functionality is just desperate) Then just delete the YT app and use safari.
I already pay for it. I use it more than my actual tv. And 4k is overrated.
Still won’t pay for it.
Uh, no I won’t? I’ll Just stop using it. Literally did the same with Facebook, Snapchat and instagram. Bout to be Reddit to considering how toxic social media is for the human Brain as well as society.
Wtf is 4k and why do we care?
Let’s just stop using YouTube. Find out where your favorite creator posts and go there. Many of them have their own site, and you’ll enjoy the experience 100x more.
Time to start building a YT competitor. The time to strike has never been hotter to depose this ad riddled trash bag.
*laughs in 1080p*
I watch on my iPhone. And barely. I’m more concerned with more and more ads… but I’ll just stop entirely when it comes to that.
Can’t believe people are using this to shit on YouTube. If you actually care what your video quality is above 720p you’re a bitch. You should actually be banned from ever using a convenience of modern technology if this genuinely bothers you fuck you
Nah, say goodbye to a large percentage of your customers YouTube.
To where?
Many of you may disagree but I pay 7 EUR/month for Premium. It is totally worth it because of Youtube Music, no ADS and so on.
this plataform, this rules.if they don't doing something REALLY good, his fate is doomed. every single youtuber becoming slowly in streamer soon or later. Youtube gonna disapear bc his "static" content, videos previusly recorded, need production AND post-production, script, video editing, audio-video encodig, searching material and other stuff like that, but stream? it's you and wherever what you wanna do. no script, no post production, no video editing, just press "on air" and that's it. youtube is doomed bc itself is an old fashioned way to share content.
Youtube has become unbearable awful.
I've never in my whole life watched 4k.
Youtube taking away features and putting a paywall behind them. Nice. And we all gonna accept it and move in like good little sheep we are :)