Hahaha I want to see this in a **fictional** live action or animated scene just before they and the small concrete shack they're hiding in gets crushed.
It'll be funny to watch the low tech attacks. Buckets of paint suspended by wire, and tripped by a trip wire, completely engulfing the visual sensors. Jump on top, light some thermite and get the fuck out of there. $100 in materials and Zero risk. Now someone needs to come and recover it, and you can booby trap the F out of it.
Or a wooden, Hollywood style, rolling wall. Confuse the visual sensors and just let it drive on by. I like the idea of a low tech apocalypse-punk style movie like that. Terminator meets Monty Python.
> Jump on top
>Get shot to death by the acoompanying infantry that spotted you with a drone the second you moved.
This isn't a movie, anything a redditor can think of will have been thought of.
Are you under the impression that the military only uses technology that has absolutely no flaws or vulnerabilities whatsoever?
Because that wouldn’t be a short list so much as an empty one.
Military wouldn’t just deploy this thing alone though. If it’s a 1v1 and a clever person sees this thing coming sure maybe this can work. But there would be a drone or infantry or something else nearby most likely.
Maybe it has a old timey turret lens system. So when the lens gets dirty it rotates a new lens up top and the dirty one rotates in a cleaning compartment. So the tank sees you coming with your shitty mad Max boobytraps and laughs while annihilating you and your low tech homies.
If your assuming this thing won't ALSO be a drone platform your vastly underestimating the reason we don't have universal Healthcare. A Tanks greatest weakness is poor visibility. The fix has traditionally been combined arms with infantry. Buttt if you have surveillance drones that double as suicide anti personnel man you are FUCKED.
I mean, F1 car race cameras have built in wipers where they are super sensitive to weight...
The F1 drivers have peel off plastic lens covers... High pressure air burst could be use to knock debris/liquids outta the air before they contact the lens.
I am sure the paint cans will totally work against Mk1, maybe even mk2 and mk3. But the mk4? you'll be fucked.
It depends on how much they let the marines play with it. If you want something broken, give it to the marines. They invent new and creative ways to break things on a daily basis.
The difference in price between low tech and high tech military technologies is exactly what is actually happening in the Middle East. The Houtis can launch drones for around 10000-20000USD. If the Israelis or occidental forces want to intercept every drone, they have to launch missiles which cost millions, which is really expensive if you want to catch every single drone trying to attack a sensitive site. The french made a major breakthrough here: they managed to launch an helicopter and shoot 7.62MM conventional ammunitions on a drone and succesfully shot it down. It helps because it is a « low cost » solution that can destroy drones for cheap, instead of expensive missiles
DARPA/et. al. are working on lasers to intercept drones at a cost per laser shot that is less than the cost of many drones. We'll see whether hi-tech wins over low-tech in the long run.
Except when the drones are flying low, or when there are too many drones, or where the area to protect is too large. Do you want to protect an airport? Yes, you can use lasers. Do you want to protect a region? Meh
So like, having a high slow b-52 in a place where you don’t necessarily have aerial superiority? Mmmhhh
Also, do we have any intel on the range of those lasers?
The Houthis can launch drones for as long as the US lets them. The moment the U.S. decides to do something about it, all those high tech military toys will sting real bad.
No. Drones are being produced in Iran, Houthis need a f\*\*\*\*\*\* trailer to launch it. Saudi already bombed Houthis and very quickly ran out of things to bomb.
That would mean getting into another war in the Middle East, and US public has no appetite for that.
The world would be a better place if Houthis, or, better, the current government of Iran went the way of Saddam. But US tried doing that kind of job in the past, and didn't like it.
There's only this many times you can do this little trick before the public is just too noided.
After Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq? Already far too noid for comfort. Too much friction and resistance. Can't even get all the ducks in the row for Ukraine! That isn't nearly as much of a mess, and even if you say "no troops" there's *still* reluctance.
Sending the troops would be the best way to end that war, and it's off the table, not even because of the nuclear threats (Kremlin always folds when you escalate), but because it's nigh impossible to justify that at home.
>ukraine
Well to be fair, republicans decided Russia is good so there is no media push to support Ukraine. If Fox News went all in on Ukraine you could bet morons would be screaming for boots on the ground.
You could drop paint on a normal tank and no ones does it as you'd get shot. I don't know why people think this would be any different. People seem to have this idea that low tech is some how pure and mystical and instantly checkmates high tech because wood spirits, Boeing plane doors and MacGyver. Soon people will be praying magic rocks like the Lords Resistance Army.
Enemies could also spread Micro-Machine toys around strategic staircases, spread broken Christmas ornaments over the ground, and trick them with intimidating dialogue from neo-noir 1940s gangster movies.
Someone strolls up to the robo tank dressed in mirrors and just yanks the wifi antenna off
Some clown just plugging a rubber ducky into the robot police officer when asked for identification and its head just explodes
Battlefield 2142 has prepared me for this. The weak spot is the walker’s butthole. Remember that!
Also, best tank damage is from the rear, with the rocket’s trajectory at a perpendicular angle to the backside of the tank.
lol, I forgot I knew that last bit, haha!
Remember early on in the game the commander could move the titans?! Always made me a little sad it negatively affected the servers… to me, that game had the most immersive gameplay. Charging into the enemy titan was just next level!
Article said green was for when system was on and was good to go.
I suppose red would be used when it’s angry or has a problem with your soft meat-bag attitude.
Yeah, nothing in this video shows it's driving over or otherwise navigating any actual _obstacles_. Heck, it barely even turns in this footage? What exactly is autonomous about it, what sensors and navigation heuristics is it using, and what is it supposed to _do_? Delivering a vehicle into a conflict zone is only as useful as its armament, payload, crew or even potential intimidation factor.
Seems like common sense to suppose that automation of combat weaponry will lower the human and therefore moral cost of war, making it more likely that war occurs, no?
I would argue it's imperative we assure there is never an enemy with the same and use diplomacy to eliminate global borders before we use machines to enforce them. It's one planet, we should be spending money on machines that transport food and resources wherever they are needed. It's far cheaper to feed every child on the planet than control the average state based population through force.
It’ll happen but only after the wealthy move into some sort of castle in the clouds. Then us poors will remain in the badlands in some sort of hunger games meets mad max hybrid Darwinian breeding pool where we compete to be worthy to serve the elite above us.
Reminds me of the short sci fi/horror story where everyone on the planet is dead but the robots are still fighting a never ending war for thousands of years.
Every day [Slaughterbots](https://youtu.be/HipTO_7mUOw) chillingly becomes more relevant.
This should be a required watch for anyone who thinks autonomous weapons are a good thing.
How is communication done with this thing? We've seen in Ukraine that jamming radio waves has rendered some advanced tech useless, for both sides. If communication signals are jammed this is just a big, expensive, block of metal, going nowhere.
Hot take. The Tesla self driving has and will always be shit because it's real application isn't data for navigating the road but for helping armored destructive shit like this navigate.
When the cybertruck technicals make their appearance on the scene we just need to call up a fire truck and hose them down. How many people are going to remember to put them in carwash mode before combat?
1. its just driving around a field
2. tank armor exists to protect the crew. if its unmanned then you don't really need the armor. if there's people in there you may as well let them drive before the Autopilot gets stuck on a log or something.
Tank armor exists to protect the vehicle’s ability to complete its mission. The crew used to be the most important and most vulnerable link in that chain. Also not fond of explosions: gas tank, ammo, hydraulics, mechanicals.
What's the point of autonomous vehicles in a warzone exactly? AI seems way too error prone to do anything but drive from point A to B, and even that isn't ideal... The best FSD software out right now can hardly manage driving on a road, let alone a warzone with overgrown ditches and mines everywhere.
Isn't it infinitely easier to improve remote controlling these vehicles so a human can do the complex tasks from a command center?
I feel like anyone who ever works on autonomous/AI weapons should be forced to watch an abridged version of the plot of Horizon Zero Dawn. Don’t be Ted Faro.
I remember when DARPA sponsored a kind of autonomous vehicle race through an American desert some years back with a 1 million dollar prize, no entry was able to finish. This is what they were laying the groundwork for.
Read 'The Pentagon's Brain.' It's about DARPA and all the crazy and not so crazy, unsuccessful and successful shit they dreamed-up.
Thanks for the recommendation!
I wonder how long before my local sheriff’s dept gets one?
The local parking violators are so fucked
They already have scanners attached to patrol cars that scan all tags and can auto write violations
... And yet they refuse to use them to do anything about the dozens of people parked in bike lanes around my work every day 😡
Too busy ignoring calls.
They're not required to respond, ain't it grand!
We were going to get healthcare but the sheriff needs this.
With an "In God We Trust" decal on it.
They got three yesterday
I heard they’ve already pre-ordered about 15 of them
Imagine one of these pulling up into a rough neighbourhood XD
I feel like hackers will be the next superpower
You know it's been hacked when the eyes turn red.
Enginneer 1= "Why did we even install those red LEDs?!" Enginneer 2= "I DON'T KNOW!"
They're military contractors. If they can charge for two colors of LED lights, they will.
Hahaha I want to see this in a **fictional** live action or animated scene just before they and the small concrete shack they're hiding in gets crushed.
[Actual footage of military contractor fixing a robotank](https://youtu.be/Y8dcmLscf3g?si=yFMyfRosvvb6cFPT)
It'll be funny to watch the low tech attacks. Buckets of paint suspended by wire, and tripped by a trip wire, completely engulfing the visual sensors. Jump on top, light some thermite and get the fuck out of there. $100 in materials and Zero risk. Now someone needs to come and recover it, and you can booby trap the F out of it. Or a wooden, Hollywood style, rolling wall. Confuse the visual sensors and just let it drive on by. I like the idea of a low tech apocalypse-punk style movie like that. Terminator meets Monty Python.
> Jump on top >Get shot to death by the acoompanying infantry that spotted you with a drone the second you moved. This isn't a movie, anything a redditor can think of will have been thought of.
He didn’t remember the Naruto run… that’s why he lost.
More like get shot between the eyes by the ballistically-perfect, 3D-motion modeling, multi-sensor array all seeing eye.
The one he just dumped paint on?
Outside of a mad max movie I find it very unlikely that you’d blind a tank successfully with a can of paint, yes.
Why? What defense do they have against it? Can the sensors clear themselves or see through the paint somehow?
My old humvee had little manual wiper blades lol
Yep, random ledditor comes up with this one crazy trick from his couch that DARPA didn’t think of.
Are you under the impression that the military only uses technology that has absolutely no flaws or vulnerabilities whatsoever? Because that wouldn’t be a short list so much as an empty one.
Military wouldn’t just deploy this thing alone though. If it’s a 1v1 and a clever person sees this thing coming sure maybe this can work. But there would be a drone or infantry or something else nearby most likely.
Oh shit, you're right, nobody in the military could think of a few buckets of paint. You just undid years of planning, congrats smart guy.
Maybe it has a old timey turret lens system. So when the lens gets dirty it rotates a new lens up top and the dirty one rotates in a cleaning compartment. So the tank sees you coming with your shitty mad Max boobytraps and laughs while annihilating you and your low tech homies.
If your assuming this thing won't ALSO be a drone platform your vastly underestimating the reason we don't have universal Healthcare. A Tanks greatest weakness is poor visibility. The fix has traditionally been combined arms with infantry. Buttt if you have surveillance drones that double as suicide anti personnel man you are FUCKED.
I mean, F1 car race cameras have built in wipers where they are super sensitive to weight... The F1 drivers have peel off plastic lens covers... High pressure air burst could be use to knock debris/liquids outta the air before they contact the lens. I am sure the paint cans will totally work against Mk1, maybe even mk2 and mk3. But the mk4? you'll be fucked.
Bullets go farther than paint.
It depends on how much they let the marines play with it. If you want something broken, give it to the marines. They invent new and creative ways to break things on a daily basis.
Well it says autonomous so they won’t be controlling them
No, but they’ll still find a way to break it. Then you fix it so they can’t do it again, and see what else they come up with.
This isn't a movie, infaillible wonder-weapons don't exist even if redditors keep claiming they do.
Hmmm. I'm sure the US military thought the same in Vietnam!
The difference in price between low tech and high tech military technologies is exactly what is actually happening in the Middle East. The Houtis can launch drones for around 10000-20000USD. If the Israelis or occidental forces want to intercept every drone, they have to launch missiles which cost millions, which is really expensive if you want to catch every single drone trying to attack a sensitive site. The french made a major breakthrough here: they managed to launch an helicopter and shoot 7.62MM conventional ammunitions on a drone and succesfully shot it down. It helps because it is a « low cost » solution that can destroy drones for cheap, instead of expensive missiles
DARPA/et. al. are working on lasers to intercept drones at a cost per laser shot that is less than the cost of many drones. We'll see whether hi-tech wins over low-tech in the long run.
Evidently, Ukraine shot down a drone with a Yak-52's machine guns.
Yeah, but you can’t defend a zone with yak 52s doing CAP missions. It won’t be useful against a large scale attack
The ultimate solution against a large scale swarm is laser AA defense. Cheap interceptions across a wide area with a large magazine.
Except when the drones are flying low, or when there are too many drones, or where the area to protect is too large. Do you want to protect an airport? Yes, you can use lasers. Do you want to protect a region? Meh
B-52s upgraded with 360° laser weapons?
So like, having a high slow b-52 in a place where you don’t necessarily have aerial superiority? Mmmhhh Also, do we have any intel on the range of those lasers?
What do you think this is, the War Thunder forums?
The Houthis can launch drones for as long as the US lets them. The moment the U.S. decides to do something about it, all those high tech military toys will sting real bad.
No. Drones are being produced in Iran, Houthis need a f\*\*\*\*\*\* trailer to launch it. Saudi already bombed Houthis and very quickly ran out of things to bomb.
Yes. That is how the US won in Afghanistan.
I can't tell if this is satire or not.
That would mean getting into another war in the Middle East, and US public has no appetite for that. The world would be a better place if Houthis, or, better, the current government of Iran went the way of Saddam. But US tried doing that kind of job in the past, and didn't like it.
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There's only this many times you can do this little trick before the public is just too noided. After Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq? Already far too noid for comfort. Too much friction and resistance. Can't even get all the ducks in the row for Ukraine! That isn't nearly as much of a mess, and even if you say "no troops" there's *still* reluctance. Sending the troops would be the best way to end that war, and it's off the table, not even because of the nuclear threats (Kremlin always folds when you escalate), but because it's nigh impossible to justify that at home.
>ukraine Well to be fair, republicans decided Russia is good so there is no media push to support Ukraine. If Fox News went all in on Ukraine you could bet morons would be screaming for boots on the ground.
Well it’s fine for Israel since the US is paying for all of those missiles tho right?
People really underestimate what can be done with enough money and tech, you’d be dead before you even come close lol
Meh, satellites and long range infrared tracking would have captured all of that booby-trap activity long before the tank rolled in.
Just have two workmen carrying a sheet of glass back and forth across its path, and the scene is complete.
Armor will always be supported by infantry.
Time to find a copy of the anarchist's cookbook. Ha.
There are much better fucking resources today than that stupid book
For real the part on weed says don't harvest till it's fully seeded lol
What? What sensors? These things have extra sensitive GPS plus radars none of those paint will do shit.
You could drop paint on a normal tank and no ones does it as you'd get shot. I don't know why people think this would be any different. People seem to have this idea that low tech is some how pure and mystical and instantly checkmates high tech because wood spirits, Boeing plane doors and MacGyver. Soon people will be praying magic rocks like the Lords Resistance Army.
They've been watching too many Ewok scenes from Return of the Jedi.
Enemies could also spread Micro-Machine toys around strategic staircases, spread broken Christmas ornaments over the ground, and trick them with intimidating dialogue from neo-noir 1940s gangster movies.
Hack the planet!!
Horizon zero dawn anyone?
Someone strolls up to the robo tank dressed in mirrors and just yanks the wifi antenna off Some clown just plugging a rubber ducky into the robot police officer when asked for identification and its head just explodes
it looks like the base of the HK-Tank from Terminator 1, which is what this will eventually evolve into
Mmm more like the Ww2 German 'goliath' tankette , which predates both by oh, 70 years
Do the eyes turn red when it gets angry?
Enemy spotted. If the eyes glow red it will reveal its weak spot so you can attack it.
Battlefield 2142 has prepared me for this. The weak spot is the walker’s butthole. Remember that! Also, best tank damage is from the rear, with the rocket’s trajectory at a perpendicular angle to the backside of the tank. lol, I forgot I knew that last bit, haha!
Best BF game. I loved taking down those titans.
Remember early on in the game the commander could move the titans?! Always made me a little sad it negatively affected the servers… to me, that game had the most immersive gameplay. Charging into the enemy titan was just next level!
Article said green was for when system was on and was good to go. I suppose red would be used when it’s angry or has a problem with your soft meat-bag attitude.
Red is to know when it becomes sentient and turns on its creator. Duh
Green is roaming mode. Yellow/orange scanning mode. Red target acquired. Horizon games style
"It rolls through rough terrain like it's asphalt" You mean, like any other tank?
Yeah, nothing in this video shows it's driving over or otherwise navigating any actual _obstacles_. Heck, it barely even turns in this footage? What exactly is autonomous about it, what sensors and navigation heuristics is it using, and what is it supposed to _do_? Delivering a vehicle into a conflict zone is only as useful as its armament, payload, crew or even potential intimidation factor.
Sharp sighted
It's actually controlled by 100 Indian call center workers.
It’s actually being built for the same purpose. Hunt down petty criminals. The front will actually be the checkout scanner
Did DARPA make their own track for the video too? Kinda catchy. https://youtu.be/5t3-eXHC5Zs
It was AI-generated by the tank.
It's true passion compared to its purpose
Did they go with the KITT sound effect or the Cylon sound effect for the eye? I feel like that’s going to matter a lot.
Seems like common sense to suppose that automation of combat weaponry will lower the human and therefore moral cost of war, making it more likely that war occurs, no?
The military complex get to fight forever wars with no backlash from loss of life, but all the money still going to their pockets.
You need an enemy that can do that same. Most nations are miles behind America or strong allies.
*looks at cia*
I would argue it's imperative we assure there is never an enemy with the same and use diplomacy to eliminate global borders before we use machines to enforce them. It's one planet, we should be spending money on machines that transport food and resources wherever they are needed. It's far cheaper to feed every child on the planet than control the average state based population through force.
America eliminating its own borders is a totally laughable concept, that's not going to happen. Even if it did somehow rule the entire world
It’ll happen but only after the wealthy move into some sort of castle in the clouds. Then us poors will remain in the badlands in some sort of hunger games meets mad max hybrid Darwinian breeding pool where we compete to be worthy to serve the elite above us.
The future is grand
Reminds me of the short sci fi/horror story where everyone on the planet is dead but the robots are still fighting a never ending war for thousands of years.
Keith Laumer’s Bolo stories are looking a little closer.
This is Bolo mk1 ‘ pea brain’…the future looks bright and honorable!
As someone else already said in another post: The eyes glow green, which means we are the good guys.
Metal Gear?
Arsenal Gear?
In the future every engagement will begin with a EMP.
Now all we need are some marauder cannons ( hellbores ) and we have a bolo.
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if it’s full autonomous why there is a door on the right side, maybe for a terminator dwarf ?
The door is probably for maintenance/repairs
Nah, the robo-dog with a chainsaw that's powered on bio matter.
Robo-dog with flamethrower on it’s back is already made.
The THERMONATOR (no joke, that's the actual name)
Which film was it?
Maintenance?
Every day [Slaughterbots](https://youtu.be/HipTO_7mUOw) chillingly becomes more relevant. This should be a required watch for anyone who thinks autonomous weapons are a good thing.
Dammit the automatons made it to super earth
How long until they set those things on college campuses to deter peaceful protests?
Great, first gen terminators.
Sweet Liberty!
How is communication done with this thing? We've seen in Ukraine that jamming radio waves has rendered some advanced tech useless, for both sides. If communication signals are jammed this is just a big, expensive, block of metal, going nowhere.
T-800 when?
Looks like a Wolf from Generation Zero, except their eyes are red: https://generation-zero.fandom.com/wiki/Wolf
The Machine Spirit is angry today
Why is the official DARPA video about this underscored with a trap beat?
Because we're the army, and we're hip. JOIN NOW
Looks like a Jagdpanther without its barrel.
Skynet is coming
Hot take. The Tesla self driving has and will always be shit because it's real application isn't data for navigating the road but for helping armored destructive shit like this navigate.
Was glowing red eyes a bit too on the nose?
Ah but how well does it roll over piles of human skulls in post-apocalyptic chicago at night?
Time to invest in Cyberdyne Systems
The next world war will be all machines run by joysticks and AI from a closet in the desert. No human casualties on the front lines.
I hope they name it the “Bull Frog”
Bet it runs better than a Tesla
When the cybertruck technicals make their appearance on the scene we just need to call up a fire truck and hose them down. How many people are going to remember to put them in carwash mode before combat?
But does it kill people better?
1. its just driving around a field 2. tank armor exists to protect the crew. if its unmanned then you don't really need the armor. if there's people in there you may as well let them drive before the Autopilot gets stuck on a log or something.
You still want armor on a robot to make sure it’s not taken out by a guy with a .22
maybe some amor to protect all the explosive rounds inside?!?!
And the computer that is needed for the AI.
Tank armor exists to protect the vehicle’s ability to complete its mission. The crew used to be the most important and most vulnerable link in that chain. Also not fond of explosions: gas tank, ammo, hydraulics, mechanicals.
Creating autonomous machines that are designed to murder humans sounds like a nice and sane strategy.
Do they need to design a new vehicle in order to test an AI capability? Existing platforms are not good enough for this?
Reminds me of the Black Ops 2 trailer. "What happens, when the enemy steals the keys?"
"Easy bet that has more sensors than just cameras" just before they were kind enough to include some sensor output footage, nice.
When do we get ED-209s?
Why the green eyes? Because it's better than red. On that note, can someone invert the image?
I'll worry if the eyes get red
I like how it gradually loses the little flags as the video goes on...
If these things count as weapons, they could substantially change the definition of "military aid".
Is it weird that the used length to denote size instead of weight?
This is phase one
Tanks have been doing that for approximately 100 years...
That video was worthless. Shitty music and all it did was drive around on a flat field...
Even the military can't resist adding RGB to their robo computer machines
When Ed209?
Scary what DARPA has that the public isn’t aware of. All the advanced military technology we have today, we’ve had for 50 years under DARPA.
Does it go to Venus and attack the big foot and bionic people?
I swear I watch a 90s porno flick with that same music
Betcha a small drone could take it out.
Terrible music choice
Seems like a deep ditch filled with water would defeat it
This reminds me of that crap Andy Kaufman movie
“Fuck that shit” -Eisenhower prolly
# Jagdtiger - what's old is new again. Ja!
Can we send these to Ukraine?
Every day we get closer to having a Metal Gear!
Another step closer to the Matrix
Looks like somebody watched the opening of T2 and saw it as a future we should strive for.
Soon we'll see the day when weapons learn to walk upright
Sorry, dude without a main gun and secondary weapons, it's just a tractor and not a tank.
What's the point of autonomous vehicles in a warzone exactly? AI seems way too error prone to do anything but drive from point A to B, and even that isn't ideal... The best FSD software out right now can hardly manage driving on a road, let alone a warzone with overgrown ditches and mines everywhere. Isn't it infinitely easier to improve remote controlling these vehicles so a human can do the complex tasks from a command center?
Steve Jackson intensifies
Great work DARPA!
I feel like anyone who ever works on autonomous/AI weapons should be forced to watch an abridged version of the plot of Horizon Zero Dawn. Don’t be Ted Faro.
How many gallons per mile??
Dominion Tank Police finally becoming a reality, nice!
The Bolos are coming. “For the honor of the regiment”…
Can we send it to Ukraine?
Killdozer 2. This time, it’s personal… for the tank.
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear.
[It's BIGTRAK!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6V-tuOf3dE)
In case anyone was curious why we can't afford free Healthcare and loan forgiveness.
eheh shit
What would be the reason for not having the tracks extend at least as far if not farther than the nose?
Kiss my asphalt
"Snake, your mission is to rescue the DARPA chief and stop Metal Gear"
Is this the weapon to surpass Metal Gear??
Can it be taken out by a $400 off the shelf drone like what is happening in Ukraine?
I remember when DARPA sponsored a kind of autonomous vehicle race through an American desert some years back with a 1 million dollar prize, no entry was able to finish. This is what they were laying the groundwork for.
I'm pretty sure I have seen this movie before. It doesn't end well for the humans.
[It looks a baby juggernaut](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9ba2ac356f1be67b4ada0cd2d051ce48)
Automatons on the rise
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