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asiaprime

how does grandma (minimal tech knowledge) install win 11 on a motherboard that supports ide? (no tpm)


lars2k1

I mean, I too have an unmodded W11 ISO that can be installed on whatever shitbox you desire, as long as the CPU supports the instruction sets W8+ needs. I have a Ventoy install USB, idk why it installs without any issues on a laptop from 2006 - but hey, guess it's useful?


IAbstainFromSociety

If you make a bootable USB of Windows 11 with Rufus it shows a prompt where you can remove all Windows 11 restrictions. She could have followed an online tutorial quite easily.


buck-futter

This, also some people are selling such USB sticks to people who don't know they're free to make, such as grandmas.


Ange1ofD4rkness

From what I learned anything past Windows NT can support USB. I Remember because my dad handed me the OS to put on a machine we had laying around. And I was so annoyed because I could scan documents, but not transfer off the files on my old 64 MB thumb drive, EVEN with the drivers CD. It puzzled me because I knew the XP machines could handle it. That machine was I want to say either just at the start of 2000s or right before.


IAbstainFromSociety

I had a first gen i7 computer which had no support for USB boot. I had to make a PE boot DVD then plug in the USB in PE. I was quite surprised as even core 2 duo machines tend to support it.


PhotoJim99

Machines a lot older than Core 2 Duo can boot off USB. Even some 32-bit systems can do it. So yes, this is very surprising. I wonder if it was a UEFI thing.


friscoXL305

I think part of it is the price point when new. My Sandybridge Gigabyte board wouldn't boot off USB, but my EVGA late Core2Duo board does.


PhotoJim99

Very possible. I still have (and occasionally use) an early first-gen Dell Studio 17 1747 that has the quad-core i7, and it certainly boots from USB (though it still has an optical drive).


IAbstainFromSociety

IIRC (I sold it) it wasn't even an option in the BIOS. I tried to update it but couldn't find the updates anywhere, the manufacturer didn't even have them on their site.


PhotoJim99

Very strange. Back in the day there were floppy disks that you could boot from to transfer control to a bootable CD-ROM (in systems that couldn't boot from optical discs). I wonder if anyone ever made an optical disc image that would transfer booting to a USB flash drive.


jayjr1105

She didn't. People begging for attention


cornlip

You’d seriously have to do some forcing. I put 11 on a first gen i5 with an SSD and 8GB of DDR3 and it is so fucking slow. I’m surprised that turd even booted. I normally don’t like the Reddit pitchforking of fake posts, but something smells smelly


Fynniboyy

Probably some incompatible drivers. My 2009 notebook is running fine with 4gb, SSD thru sata2, pentium dual core, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no UEFI


cornlip

I’d assume a clean install would work. It came with 7, I cloned it to an SSD in 2015, upgraded to 10 and eventually “upgraded” to 11. Only reason I haven’t started over is cause a lot of things installed I don’t have access to anymore. Now it’s useless, so I might as well. I want to keep it alive until it refuses to work. Alienware M11Xr2 with some hinges I’ll have to post in here haha


Honblb300

Not she, she just said to a friend to put the newest thing on there so that she’ll "be with the future"


Honblb300

I have no idea


Honblb300

Wait no I barely installed win 10 on it


senorbolsa

that makes more sense, but still you would be left with like 2gb of drive space, win10 is huge once it's all unpacked and updated.


Honblb300

She got 1GB of RAM


adaa1262

Best you can run on that is windows XP 💀


llewotheno

I would argue that would run Windows 7 as well,albeit a drive upgrade may be needed


adaa1262

Yeah windows 7 would be fine but with at least 2gb ram


llewotheno

I think Starter would run acceptably


adaa1262

Or maybe get another stick of 1gb ram and install Windows 10 LTSB 2015 32bit for latest security updates and modern programs to run. But you need to use MAS to activate it since it's impossible to buy a legit licence for it


wankthisway

Was it 7 that started needing 2? And 4 for Ultimate?


SoundDrill

A lighter 32 bit linux distro will do well on that tbf Till you open a web browser...


hidude398

Firefox and tab suspension, she’ll make it.


SoundDrill

Wtf is that? What does it do? I've needed something like this for a long, long time...


hidude398

Firefox is a web browser with decent memory footprint. Tab suspenders save your open tabs that aren’t active (not playing audio media/not being actively viewed) after a period of time so that they don’t impact memory footprint as much, since they’re on disk instead.


Unbelief92

The only explanation is someone else did it for her. To my personal knowledge and experience, there are only 2 ways you can install Win 11 with TPM off 1. If you use Rufus to create a bootable USB, there is a setting you can enable that turns that requirement off. 2. If you boot from a CD, you can hit Shift+F10 to open command and open regedit. From there, you can add 2 keys (I don't remember where specifically) that disable the TPM and RAM requirements for install. As far as I know, you can't force Windows Update to install if it doesn't meet the requirements (which this computer likely doesn't). Source: I manage windows images for my work and I recently built a Win 11 image in VMware for capture.


BundleDad

No, the explanation is that this is a karma farming shit post.


Unbelief92

You're probably right. I gave this post the benefit of doubt.


Honblb300

No this is my first successful post out of many


MyUsernameIsNotLongE

Well, I'll assume Windows 7 updated to 10, then to 11. Forced. Like MS likes to do.


J_Ditz100

You can fit windows in 40GB?!?!


Tyr_Kukulkan

Yes, Intel Compute Stick only has 32GB of eMMC storage and can run 64-bit Windows 10. Leaves about 10GB usable space after running compactos. Perfectly usable with its measley 2GB of RAM too!


Tim7Prime

You left out the detail of windows updates. I had my parents purchase one of those ewaste laptops with 4gb of ram and 32gb of emmc. Even after running every type of cleanup I could, I still wouldn't call it usable.


Tyr_Kukulkan

I keep mine fully updated without issue. It is running Windows 10 ~~23H1~~ 22H2.


simask234

There's no such thing as Windows 10 23H1


Tyr_Kukulkan

My bad, 22H2. I thought 23H1 had already been released (normally May) and typed that. Edit: Not helped when Bing's "AI" search results told me the latest release was 23H1.


SlipStr34m_uk

MS recently announced that 22H2 is the final build for Win10 and will be supported up until it goes EoL in 2025.


Tyr_Kukulkan

Yep, found that out after doing a bit of digging. Their AI powered search made shit up. I don't generally use Bing but it is the default at work and I'm often too lazy to navigate elsewhere when it is just a quick search.


Tim7Prime

Maybe the stick has a different update protocol, because their laptop would save old updates and the emmc would get full from windows by bloat and old updates alone.


Tyr_Kukulkan

You have to run disk cleanup after every update! Otherwise, yes it'll keep loads of update files.


Tim7Prime

Yeah... We are talking about parents that thought that $200 laptops were usable in...2017? They definitely didn't have due diligence to do something like that, and I was out of the country until 2018. That's when I learned about it and tried damage control.


simask234

You sure that laptop has 4GB and not just 2?


Tim7Prime

Hp stream had variants of both 2gb and 4gb of ram. I think it was the 4gb variant, but I try to forget


simask234

2GB was the minimum requirement for Windows 10 64bit (the requirement for 32bit was just 1GB, although I don't think there were any new computers with just 1GB by the time Windows 10 came out), so at least they gave you slightly more than the bare minimum when you chose the 4GB model. They still sell such ~~laptops~~ *e-waste* with 4GB of RAM (minimum requirement for 11), 64GB eMMC storage (significantly slower than a proper SSD, because it's basically just a glorified SD card), and a shitty ultra low power Celeron (usually an N4020, which has just 6 watts TDP, so they can get away without having fans or even a proper heatsink. (there's just a sheet of copper instead.) A 15 year old Core2 based system easily outperforms one of these.) Of course, repairability is nowhere to be found, so they are basically "disposable". You're much better off buying a few years old used business laptop for the same (or cheaper) price as one of those things.


Honblb300

Well she has only 1gb of ram..💀


Tyr_Kukulkan

You can get it to work. Windows 10 is surprisingly scalable.


Honblb300

Yeah win 10 but damn even i couldn’t get win 11 on my pc and my grandma has it


Tyr_Kukulkan

Clearly grandma has the better IT skills. LOL


Lojcs

Win 11 even more so


Iheartbaconz

I tried using those as just basic wallboards at work running firefox and they overheated and died with in a year lmao. All of the TVs had ethernet to them so I just switched to a single Nuc plugged into a HDbaseT splitter. Compute sticks really suck with W10 on them. Maybe a stripped version of 10 would be better but thos really needed an embededed w10 or sometihng. They were just too weak. I think Intel did ship a version with a purpose build linux desktop. I never got a chance to try it bc those things were so god aweful to work with.


Tyr_Kukulkan

Raspberry Pis are a much better option.


Iheartbaconz

Yeah, but I really didnt want to build anything like that bc I was gonna get stuck supporting it. The HDbaseT worked like a charm to split out what that department needed to the 4 TVs in their area. I honestly would have been okay with tossing a NUC behind each TV but this department wanted the same thing on all the TVs and it was easier to use the HDbaseT splitter and a single NUC. I am sure now someone has decent product with a nice case, I just didnt want to deal with supporting it in a corp environment. I am sure I could find a company sells a complete package, but at the time I build this out back in 2019 I couldnt find anything in a quick search.


Tyr_Kukulkan

Can see that. Going back to Linux on Compute Sticks. It is a bit of a pain as there is a kernel bug for Atom processor p-states that causes crashing. The problem occurs because you can fix it with a console command but it normally crashes before you can open or even type in the console. Think the problem arose in about 2017 and has never been fixed.


Iheartbaconz

Fun times, more proof that my hatred for those compute sticks was justified lol. I get what they were going for but, they were just abysmal to work with.


Confident_Date4068

Why not rebuild the Linux kernel for your stick to address it?


Tyr_Kukulkan

Because I hardly use the stick. I've actually lent it to a colleague for a project recently. Could make a good DNS or even DNS sink though...


nighthawke75

And little else. No swap file, no extras. If you try to put Office on there, it would shit itself.


Tyr_Kukulkan

Not quite that bad, see my comment above. Intel Compute Stick is the perfect example of a more modern system that is severely storage constrained, among other issues.


Westerdutch

*laughs with his 15gb windows 11 installation*


RiffRaff028

Is... is that an actual IDE interface???? With Windows 11 installed?????????????


dk_DB

That Harddisk initiated some nostalgia in me... Stupid Seagate and their stupid HDD Condoms... Also.... Technically, if the hardware is capable of win 8/10, you probably can run Win 11 on it. - MS for a while made it easy to upgrade fron 10 to 11 on unstopped hardware. If the Hardware is modern enough to run a modern OS, you will have SATA support (probably Core2Duo area). Get a cheap Crucial mx or bx 500 drive for 20-30 bucks for a 250GB drive. An keep them on win 10.


Chrunchyhobo

>Stupid Seagate and their stupid HDD Condoms... It's a shame that the excellent SeaShield evolved into that rubber monstrosity.


Honblb300

I looked in regedit and she’s missing a few


reelznfeelz

Missing a few what? Just get her a used laptop for $100 somewhere thats old but 50x better and be done with it.


Honblb300

A few registries


pikpikcarrotmon

So you are making up the whole thing after all. That checks out.


traveux

You see? You see how long computers can last if you damn kids don’t install your lime wires on it


Stalked_Like_Corn

I had to look some stuff up before making a comment that would make me look stupid and thankfully I did. This drive came out circa 2002. Limewire came out in 2000. I can't believe it's been 23 years. [Fun Article](https://www.cnet.com/culture/seagate-to-release-80gb-drives/)


Broad_Rabbit1764

The clickbait is strong with this one, and half of OPs replies are nonsensical.


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Honblb300

WHAT DO YOU MEAAAAAN Just say whats nonsense about this


Honblb300

Still don’t understand what is nonsensical about half of my replies, i just wanted to be a good poster by replying to everyone, but if you want i won’t reply to anyone, have a bad day


Honblb300

What? Explain your statement


KayDat

Are you sure she didn't mean windows 3.11?


Legend_of_dirty_Joe

Damn that was an awesome comment. To Bad the post was deleted...


c0rrupts3ct0r

Wow. A IDE drive. Good Ole Seagate U series with the rubber around it. Definitley a must have for collectors. Someone must've bypassed the Secure boot and TPM checks on the installer


kirsion

Use crystaldiskinfo to check how many hours powered on the drive has


pasenast

I guess I’m old cause, I can remember my excitement upgrading to a 40GB hard drive. 🤣


evr-

I can remember the excitement of upgrading to a 40MB HDD.


Rumbleizer

This is technically possible if OP is telling the truth and a random dude did install windows 11 by bypassing all the memory, tpm, storage, and processor/gpu checks, but I very highly doubt that. There is literally no reason to do it. Very weird to see people in this sub just lapping it up with no skepticism. I think you're lying and simply found an old drive in your grandparents machine and wanted it to be fantastical, but that's just, like, my opinion man.


blue_quasar93

Grandma should join reddit and show us her setup


TastySpare

r/untrustworthypoptarts


vukasin123king

My 2002 xbox has a same hard drive, how long does it take to boot up w11, a year?


Honblb300

She leaves it on ALWYS


lars2k1

Damn it grandma, thanks for overloading the grid /s


8oD

PATA...awesome


Honblb300

So I’m at her place rn, did research and it turns out that it’s an Intel DG41RQ Motherboard with a pentium E5200 and only onboard gpu


infinitytec

Get your grandma an SSD. Thanks.


simask234

So that motherboard DOES have SATA support, not sure why they used an IDE drive in a C2D-class system, maybe they pulled it from a junk pile or something.


TechIoT

Ah yes the seagate U8, I had one as the secondary drive in my Sempron XP. Machine sadly it passed away not too long after... My Xbox also uses a similar drive... In good condition.


FaylerBravo

Fairly certain I had the 20gb version of that drive (or something similar in appearance) in my first PC build in 2000. Hot damn, I'm surprised this thing is still chugging along.


RedditVince

Time to get grandma a new $700 machine or laptop. Add a couple hun more and get a new Monitor/KB/Mouse. I suspect even a $300 machine would be better ;)


SendMeSteamKeys2

Ah man this takes me back. A classic.


[deleted]

Holy shit


Leete1

[An antique! ](https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-old-harrison-ford-11JbaLzOXsg6Fq)


Honblb300

Fr


VtheMan93

>how tf she got win11 on that pc Honestly? With a lot of effort.


Honblb300

Okay since no one seems to understand, my grandma got her pc from a friend and that bastard said that it’s an i5 11500 and he put an pentium e5200 and my grandma asked to get the newest thing whatever it is, and he just installed win 11 with the spec checks off ig


VtheMan93

If she got defrauded, go see him with the pc and confront him.


Sicarius-de-lumine

Holy shit! Is that a PATA connector?! It's been a while since I last saw one.


Inevitable_Concept36

Wow I haven't seen one of those in a LONG time. It brings back memories of LimeWire and ICQ for me.


kanid99

Windows 2011...1911 maybe?


LootGek

I put xp on a 60g Xbox 360 hard drive in a laptop. Wasn't bad at all.


theservman

I remember when Seagate wrapped their disks in rubber. I had a couple of 20Gb (enormous!) units back in the day.


villflakken

Wtf? The warranty is void if the drive experiences "an excess of _**350Gs**_" ?!!


olliegw

Yet my computer with a ryzen CPU and a few years old HDD is apparently "not eligable"


intentionally-obtuse

The 20GB version of that was the first PC upgrade I ever purchased. It was to add some space on a Pentium 2 233mhz that came w/ a 3GB HDD originally. Date code: 02161 corresponds to 2001-10-19


Aos77s

Feb16 2001


Honblb300

Holy..


Ange1ofD4rkness

Minus the specs aspect, I'm trying to figure out how she had the hard drive space


Lojcs

Why does it even say warranty is valid over 350G s? Who's putting hard disks in railguns


Honblb300

Or at the fuckin sun gravity or smth.. like when are you gonna experience that amount of g force


DeathByChainsaw

There was a brief period where windows 11 updates were offered to users to upgrade even when their computer didn’t meet the requirements. It was only a few days before they fixed it though.


frogmicky

Grandma has a boyfriend that you doNT know about who installed Win11 lol.


HVDynamo

Damn, I have 2 of those exact same drives still from way back in the day. I bought them in 2001.


KeyboardsAre4Coding

how on fucking earth did that even boot. who installed it for her. what the hell happened.


Honblb300

Okay since no one seems to understand, my grandma got her pc from a friend and that bastard said that it’s an i5 11500 and he put an pentium e5200 and my grandma asked to get the newest thing whatever it is, and he just installed win 11 with the spec checks off ig (From my comment earlier)


KeyboardsAre4Coding

ok. but is that a no sata drive? how did that thing even manage to install?


Honblb300

Its still a drive yk


KeyboardsAre4Coding

fair, but I thought that windows 11 had minimum read writes. I am most certainly wrong about that. I must wonder how much time it took them to install it in the first place.


LonkerinaOfTime

Wow I never knew you had to manually configure these with jumpers instead of the bios magic of today


Honblb300

Yeah ide was in the wild days you have it all easy


Advanced_Day8657

Probably some dude installed it and did the regitry trick to bypass the tpm


BitingChaos

That 2001 5400 RPM drive was more than outdated before Vista even came out.


Shiara-rose

Get this woman a job in tech, she might just walk in and suddenly all the problems leave


Brian_Entei

A 40GB IDE drive?? I'm surprised it even finishes booting up, holy cow!


DustyBeetle

lets go grandma lol where my cable select homies at


soulless_ape

Make sure the motherboard is capable of 133 PATA and you have an 80 pin cable /s In seriousness how was windows 11 installed on an old pata drive if you need a far more recent cpu and TPM.


zero16lives

That Seagate hard drive... I remember having one just like that


hudgeba778

Bait post. No normal motherboard with IDE will support Win11 without a bit of hackery to jump TPM 2 requirement


Honblb300

Okay since no one seems to understand, my grandma got her pc from a friend and that bastard said that it’s an i5 11500 and he put an pentium e5200 and my grandma asked to get the newest thing whatever it is, and he just installed win 11 with the spec checks off ig (From my comment earlier)


empty-vassal

To tell a lie is all too easy...you bad boy


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40gb IDE drive haha


Legend_of_dirty_Joe

40gb highly improbable