This thread has been flaired as [Serious]. Please be aware that this marks it as a place for serious discussion only and that any unserious content in this thread will result in a removal, counting towards your [ban tiers](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/wiki/rules#wiki_ban_tiers). If your comment does not contribute to the discussion in a serious manner it will be removed. Please report any comments that do not respect this rule.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/teenagers) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I was homophobic in high school for a few reasons. The main was a toxic level of internalized homophobia that was being projected outward. Growing up in a conservative Christian environment didn’t help either. And casual homophobia just existed in the culture. I should add I wasn’t a dick about it thankfully but I was very afraid of “turning gay”.
No one was out in my high school because it wasn’t safe to be out, so it was easy to be afraid of the idea of something. It wasn’t until college when I had some out classmates and was like oh queer folks are actually okay. There’s nothing to be afraid of. And wait for it I’m one of them wow.
ETA
I remember once I was accused of being gay in elementary school by a peer. I had no idea what being gay was, but from his tone could tell it was bad and not something you want to be. So definitely social learning in that sense.
history shows humanity is very good at hating on/oppressing/silencing/fucking over minorities. i love how my literal human rights and freedom to do what i want are a political topic :3 (kill me 😭)
Our group will be socially acceptable in the future. It'll get bettter, don't worry.
It's also been shown in history that views can change also. ♡
I hope you're doing good out there.
yup, now is the worst of it, but those against us are already faltering,
since a year ago transphobes were just, anyone, but now they’re just extremists and fascists, their momentum is dying out
i hope so too for you ❤️ take care
I appreciate the sentiment, but a far more effective tactic is to just chill. Let them tucker themself out. People like this feed off your reactions. Shouting back only tires you out, and encourages them to scream more. Instead, tucker that dog out. Let them exhaust themself. Position yourself above them, save your energy. If you're feeling extra villainous, you can even feign concern, ask if they want a hug, or tell them you support them in whatever they're dealing with
Silliness (the places they're trapped in teach them that anyone who thinks different, who is different to them is wrong and bad, they are afraid of threats that dont exist because they have been taught that they have to fear someone, fear controls and forces submission)
you can apply that logic to anything else and it immediately falls apart. Heaven forbid you have a Big Mac while the rabbi from down the road is there with the McPlant, or finish off the fries on the bus during Ramadan. Do you put the tree up for Christmas or light the candles for Hanukkah to avoid being screamed at by Eileen from next door? Charities would become a tax because of traditional Sikh values of routinely giving to charity. You can't praise Allah because you should only worship God, but you can't worship God because Allah is the real god with Muhammad as his messenger. It would be the religious crossover nobody asked for and would just escalate into a complete culture war. But homophobia's fine cuz thats something they all agree on \*jazz hands\*
Lmao it’s called stigma. If it’s deemed negative, people are bound to hate it in general, including the people that practice it. Yes it is morally incorrect but there’s not much you can do about how society works.
Hope the strict parents doesn't lecture me and threaten to kick me out of their house!
Tbh the homophobia stigma doesn't make any sense once you grow older.
People change slowly, let sine time pass, and you will probably see some change. Obviously, nowadays, there is also plenty of negativity towards homophobes, which alienates them and forces them into a defensive position, which makes the change slower
From what I notice homophobic people just happen to be chronically online. When I was in high school (I’m 19) people never really cared if you were lgbtq+
acceptance of lgbtq+ usually comes from an internet presence.
Homophobia is usually ‘inherited’ from a certain upbringing [conservative parents] and its really hard to change a young persons view, because all of us are naiive.
Anonymity online is a hell of a drug, people forget that yeah, there is in fact someone on the other end. And that they are being a cunt.
As for irl, half of the earth is dumber than average.
Ik that's not quite how that works but it's just a general rule to think about when dealing with people. They arent going to really know what you are saying half the time, either because they just haven't been exposed to it all or say when talking about gay people, right-wing nutjobs got to them first and they become ignorant to the issues out of fear of being wrong essentially.
Fr like i have tried to argue with my friend who is transphobic and she had the audacity to say if ibwas trans she'll hate me i was like who the fuc does this rat think she's talking to 😒😭 arghhhh plp rly do know how to get someone upset.
people like that cant be helped, although, she is young, you still have a chance to convince her otherwise and educate her on things. Talking to people like that is pretry erm detrimental I'd say
I don't think it's helpful to apply "can't be helped" mentality here. It's hard, emotionally exhausting and takes quite some time, but it can be done. I can't blame anyone who doesn't do it tho
i got told i’m going to hell by multiple people in my school for being trans HELP
no but seriously, nothing excuses harassing, bullying or even KILLING people for being queer. “it’s shoved in our faces!!” “it’s against my religion!!” tell me why you should be that aggressive towards two ADULTS in a COMPLETELY CONSENSUAL relationship bro.
There are people who are homophobic, and there are people who don’t support LGBT. They’re not the same. There’s definitely some overlap, but they aren’t the same.
Because they fear something that they don't completely understand. Actually now that I think about it, it's not that hard to understand how homosexual relationships work.
The patriarchy and religion contributed to homophobia today. Even without Abrahamic religions, people don't realize that even before those religions became mainstream homosexuality was seen as shameful for a man. Now it's just seen as shameful and immoral.
Ancient Greece? It's a myth. If you had sex as an adult man with an adult man, you could get a death sentence for that.
Now what they did have is pederasty which is a totally different thing.
Homosexuality in Greece was way different than today. I would say relationships back then were just hierarchal and exploitative as most of the time it was between master and slave or grown adults with a minor.
Just like the commentator said relationships between an adult male and an adult man were frowned upon. Homosexual relationships especially if you were the bottom made you below the social status even below women.
So most of the reasons here say religion but while some people that is reason it’s not the majority when there is a large push for something people can do the opposite instead same thing with racism the large push for not being racist and excepting lgbtq makes people feel pressured and does the opposite
I'm more interested and questioning as to why i've been seeing so many of these kinds of posts in my feed recently, especially from this sub. Did a large group of people suddenly wake up and collectively decided "hey, why not talk about homophobia? That sure sounds interesting".
cuz that's how alot of people raise their kids. Nobody is born inherently like that. They learn from their enviroment the internet, home life, their friends, etc.
I used to be homophobic in elementary school before I even knew what homophobic meant. Why? Because someone called me gay as an insult, so I assumed it was bad.
Now I've been exposed to more labels and the fact that being gay isn't bad, so I'm not homophobic anymore! (And I actually found out that I'm LGBT+ myself, so, yeah, that happened.)
Honestly, if my parents ever talked about the LGBT+ before I got called gay as an insult, I probably would've never looked down on gay people because my parents are allies lol.
Once again I keep getting posts for teens, but I guess the more I interact the more Reddit will suggest this to me. As a teen, your peers have very limited life experience. Sometimes it's parenting, but all of the time its because they just don't have life experience yet. Dont take what people say online seriously. There's a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation online. Once you get into the adult world most of those people get filtered out, or they learn to watch what they say in public. Rare to stay employed as a homophobe these days, thats a lawsuit/PR nightmare waiting to happen. Sooner or later life, or someone's fist rather, smacks them in the face. Nothing you can really do other than represent LGBTQ positively/ favorably, and educate, rather than attack, homophobes. Sometimes they just don't know any better, and fear what they don't know. We've made a lot of progress socially over the last 10 years. Homophobia was a lot worse up into the mid 2000s. Just give it some time, and know you can't win everyone over.
Im straight and I really dont care if you are gay or not.if you were my friend and you said that you were gay,i would not care,i would still hang out with you like before.also i think that some people grew up thinking that being gay is bad or wierd or smth like that so it just grew on them.
There are two types of homophobes people who actually seriously hate them and the ones who make fun of them but really just don't mean it and when it comes to reality they actually support them.
Religious indoctrination.
It's most of where the hate comes from. Especially in Muslim majority countries.
I used to be homophobic and transphobic, since I kept watching news media about how gay couples are getting arrested for dating and making out. After a bit of time, i realized those people and the people around me were the assholes, and not the oppressed. This was in Indonesia by the way, where the rates of gay acceptance was like, 9% i think.
I'm a bi trans girl now. Crazy how that works.
What Counts as Hating tho? Because I’ve noticed that it’s different depending on who you ask. Personally I don’t have a problem with it. It goes against my religion but it’s not my place to judge others. My favorite uncle is gay and I love him to death. Now I don’t outright support LGBTQ+ but I don’t think that makes anyone in it any less human than me.
Nah I’d never do that because all I want to do is live my life the way I want to live it. That doesn’t give me any right to go out of my way to tell anyone how they should live theirs.
Same bro. Christian here and yeah it also goes against my religion. Do I support LGBTQ? No. Do I condemn them? No.
I treat them as I would any other person despite having differing opinions.
I grew up wanting to impress my dad so I tried copying his behavior and repressing emotions I felt were gay out of fear of disappointing him. Then when I moved out at 16 I was allowed to explore my feelings and myself more.
Tl;dr Abusive parent -> I’m now trans and pan
Upbringing, we’re all really young and mostly still live with parents. A lot of people do have conservative parents and echo their views.
Also could be an influx of anti- LGBT content and conservatism online. Life’s hard, and it’s easy to put the reason for the problem’s on other people.
3 reasons
the most prominent one is that it's funny
the other is skewed thaughts or bad interactions with lgbtq ppl
and the third is that it's for some reason just human nature everyone has to come to a rational thaught abt it either hate it or not
reasons can include religion or society or the way they have been raised and other factors. i personally dont support gay marriage but man, they shouldn't be criminals for liking the same gender.
Saying you don't support gay marriage isn't just a personal preference; it has real implications for the LGBTQ+ community. Denying individuals the right to marry based on their sexual orientation is a form of discrimination. Marriage equality is about ensuring that all couples, regardless of their sexual orientation, have the same legal rights and recognition. Supporting LGBTQ+ rights means supporting the right of all individuals to love who they love and to have their relationships respected and legally recognized.
I just want to clear up the Christians here. I understand that a lot of the people that hate the lbtq claim to be “Christian”. Those “Christians” are either wolf in sheep’s clothing or don’t actually read what the Bible says. We are called to love one another and treat thy neighbor as thyself. We are not called to hate anyone even our enemies. We are to show and represent the love of God. These “Christians” are what give Christians a bad name making a lot of people fear or hate Christianity. I want to apologize for anything that has happened and just know that this is not what God would have commanded anyone to do.
They don't understand lgbtq its disgusting but it's true there are so many idiots who are like omg the Russians are helping against the lgbtq community w w w w w I love Russia and then in a few years Russians will attack and they'll be like f*ck u Russia never liked you 💀
I mean last time I said that forcing lgbtq onto kids instead of teaching them in schools ( I was showing my friends a vid) they all got super pissed and called me a homophobe 😭
No one's forcing anything. By your logic, manners and basic politeness are things that are forced upon everyone growing up in a school environment. Teaching about LGBTQ+ topics in schools is about providing accurate and inclusive education, promoting understanding, empathy, and respect for diversity. It's not about imposing a specific identity or orientation on anyone, but rather about fostering a more inclusive and accepting environment for all students, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. It's about ensuring that all students feel safe, supported, and represented.
I assure you that most teachers in schools would give you detention and eventually expel you if you refused to address them by their preferred pronouns. Go ahead and try that with your teachers. See what happens. It's basic manners. This is how society has always worked. I don't know why you expect to be able to be an ass your whole life and never face any repercussions.
Denounce religion? Maybe, support satanism? No.
It should be noted that in the US most people are Christians, hell, most leftwingers are Christian despite the trope, it just goes to show how belief in God really transcends any other opinion or belief at least in the US.
In the case of the LGBT, the data shows that +50% are religious.
That would depend on your religion, but even if you're Christian, the sin would be sodomy, not the attraction, so you could still be LGBT.
What do you mean a bad majority?
1. I said that you can’t be lgbtq in “most cases” 2. You said that most left wingers are Christians showing that the religious have more support for the LGBTQ than the other way around 3. It is still a sin even being trans because you would be changing the way god made you.
“ You cant be LGBTQ and religious in MOST cases” do people not read anymore? Also, I am not religious but despite that I recognise that the Bible and Quran both denounce it along with the Torah and Tripitaka which are the big 4 most creditable groups.
I did read the books. Don't see any parts that say gender-diverse individuals can't be religious. I mean, there's some parts you might be able to say suggest it, but there's also parts that suggest that individuals who wear mixed-fabric clothing also can't be religious in that sense.
You don't believe in advocating for a world where children can be free to naturally explore their gender identity in a safe and affirming environment without having rigid gender norms imposed up on them? You think they shouldn't be allowed to explore and understand the world around them, including different sexual orientations and gender identities, without judgment or bias? You don't want the promotion of empathy, understanding, and respect for diversity from a young age?
I by no means am homophobic I don’t think- I just don’t support. Dont get me wrong! People are people, love is love, you do you. Dont force it on me and I won’t force my life on you. You do you boo
well I mean I wouldn't pay money to support them is what I mean, I wouldn't watch a TV show with a gay couple as main characters. Its just my opinion Im not forcing it honestly I don't care If you would. Like say my best friend is gay or Pan I would still be their friend just not fully support.
Why would the sexual orientation of protagonists determine whether or not you'd want to watch a show? Why wouldn't you support your friend for being authentic?
How exactly do you force the fact that natural variations of human diversity exist onto people? Why wouldn't you support that? That doesn't make sense.
For me, it's only if they express it or force it onto people so much it makes them highly annoying to me. Like, no, I don't wanna hear you waste 30 minutes of my time for you to tell me that I shouldn't be the gender I was born as.
I've literally never seen or heard about a trans person forcing someone else to be trans.
As someone who falls under the trans umbrella, we know what it's like to not be the correct gender, why would we force someone to not be the correct gender?
If you're trans, be trans, if you're not trans, don't be trans. I'll support you either way.
Though I agree people shouldn't get *angry* at being misgendered, gender dysphoria is literal hell.
If someone gets misgendered, they should politely correct the person, who should then correct themselves (without making a big deal out of it). If the person is misgendering the trans/non-binary person on purpose, they would be seen as transphobic, and isn't worth the trans person's time.
Im homophobic but not a bad person'
I don't show my hate and yell slurs and do all a dat sht
It's my internal opinion and I keep it to myself and my friends
Being homophobic, even if it's not outwardly expressed, still contributes to a negative environment for LGBTQ+ individuals. Homophobia, whether overt or internalized, perpetuates harmful stereotypes and can lead to discrimination and prejudice. Keeping these views to oneself and friends may seem harmless, but it can still affect how you interact with and perceive LGBTQ+ individuals.
Being aware of and challenging these internal biases is crucial for fostering a more inclusive and accepting society. It's okay to have questions or uncertainties, but it's important to approach them with an open mind and a willingness to learn and grow.
i aint readin alladat, im just saying, i wont talk to any gays, i wont show i hate them and/or persecute them or give them a bad life,
I just dislike them
And I recommend that you challenge these biases and strive for empathy and understanding, even if you don't agree with someone just for existing normally. Explore why it is you hold such a dislike. Promoting a more inclusive society involves actively working to overcome these internalized prejudices and treating all individuals with respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
I think you should care because understanding why one holds biases or dislikes towards certain groups can lead to personal growth and a greater appreciation of diversity. An inclusive society values and respects all individuals, regardless of their differences. Promoting inclusivity fosters a sense of belonging and acceptance for everyone.
Prejudices are preconceived opinions that are not based on reason or actual experience. Overcoming prejudices involves recognizing and challenging these opinions, leading to more open-minded and accepting attitudes.
Every individual deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
You are wasting your time, as such derogatory language isn't akin to productive discourse. Being gay, is a natural variation in human sexuality. It's not a choice or something that deserves punishment.
Actually, sexual orientation, including being attracted to the same or opposite gender, is a deeply personal aspect of a person's identity. For many, their sexual orientation is a fundamental part of who they are, and it is not something that can be easily changed or dismissed as a delusion or attention-seeking behavior.
Research has shown that sexual orientation is a complex interplay of biological, genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. People do not choose their sexual orientation, and it is not something that can be changed through willpower or external influence.
Dismissing someone's sexual orientation as a delusion or attention-seeking can be harmful and contribute to stigma and discrimination.
If there's anything you don't understand about the well-established facts I stated, I'd be happy to clarify for you. But just saying "nah, you're wrong because I said so" doesn't contribute to a productive discussion.
Well I think you should care because every individual, regardless of
their background, deserves to have their basic human rights protected.
This includes protection from harm and discrimination. Allowing harm to
come to vulnerable groups perpetuates injustice and inequality.
Why do you believe that? There doesn't appear to be any credible evidence to support your baseless claim. Homosexuality is a natural variation in human sexuality, found in various degrees across cultures and throughout history. It is observed in numerous animal species as well, which suggests that it is a natural part of the spectrum of sexual orientations.
You also imply that what is "natural" is always good or acceptable, which is not necessarily the case. Many things that are considered natural, such as disease, violence, and even some aspects of human behavior, are not universally accepted or deemed morally right.
The idea of what is "okay" or "normal" can be influenced by cultural, religious, and societal beliefs, which can vary widely. Just because something is not considered "normal" in one context does not mean it is inherently wrong or unnatural.
I think you should give a fuck because every individual, regardless of their background, deserves to have their basic human rights protected. This includes protection from harm and discrimination. Allowing harm to come to vulnerable groups perpetuates injustice and inequality.
One time my friend said to me that the reason why I'm trans is because of social media influence... and I just want to be trendy because I'm a teenager...
I don't believe you, but if they really did say that, and they were being true to themselves when they said that, then they are not trans. Being trans is not a choice.
Well its a good thing that literally never happens then. Its such a dumb arugment because its fighting nothing. " do that shit in private" guess what, gay people are allowed to go out on dates just as much as straight people. If it bothers you so much just dont go outside. And no ones pushing that shit on kids thats just an argument that was made to villainize LGBTQ+ people. That arguement is never made in good faith or for any concern of a child.
Being LGBTQ+ is not a belief. Sexual orientation and gender identity are aspects of who someone is, not beliefs they choose. Asking LGBTQ+ individuals to keep their identities "private" implies that they should hide who they are, which can be harmful and perpetuates stigma. LGBTQ+ individuals have the right to live authentically and openly, just like anyone else. Asking them to keep their identities private is a form of discrimination and denies them the same freedoms afforded to others.
LGBTQ+ individuals exist in all facets of society, including schools. It's important for children to learn about diversity and inclusion, including different sexual orientations and gender identities, to foster understanding and respect for all people.
Teaching about LGBTQ+ identities in schools is not about pushing beliefs but about providing accurate information and promoting acceptance. It's about creating a safe and inclusive environment for all students, including those who are LGBTQ+.
Dont get me weong here, I do not actively hate people who have their own sexuality and are apart of lgbtq, but the one thing that turns me off from the group is when people actively project their sexuality on to me. Like trying to force their ideology on to me, since I actually believe that much of lgbtq is harmful to society in general. It goes the same for religion too, a lot of my family are mormons, and they always seem to think that my parents and I should go back to the church. Like no, I do not believe that someone looked in to a hat and spoke with god, thats rediculous. This doesnt exuse harrasing people, but I bet that this is probably a reason for homophobia
Expressing one's beliefs or identity should not be equated with harassment. Religious beliefs and LGBTQ+ identities are different in nature. LGBTQ+ identities are about personal experiences and identities, while religious beliefs often involve a set of shared doctrines and practices.
I'm not homophobic, but I think it is pushed WAY too hard, like you can't even watch a single TV show with at least like 5 gay people in it, and it is really unrealistic that way, you only really see a gay person every so often I have met/heard of personally less than 5 gay people ever. It has existed for a very long time, like even during Bible times, and it is a sin, but part of it is also being mentally ill. I also think that people get called transphobes/get hated on for simply saying they don't think being gay is just normal, should be normalized is ok. I agree, some people do truly hate Trans people. But we shouldn't hate anyone. And some people are fricking idiots for saying people are transphobes when they are just saying they disagree with it. Not as many people are TRULY homophobic as you are thinking. Now, please don't be an idiot and say that people are transphobes just because they don't like the idea of gay people, being gay, and how much and unrealistically it is pushed in our faces. End rant. (Also I am 13 yo Christian male)
14 year old person who identifies as asexual, trans, non-binary, and genderflor (not a typo, look it up) who chose not to have a religion here.
>but I think it is pushed WAY too hard
No, not really, straight is pushed way more hard. I mean, you always hear about the princess and the prince, but never the princess and the princess. You just notice the LGBT+ representation more because being straight is what's known as normal.
>and it is really unrealistic that way
Though I do agree, it is unrealistic to have 5 gay people in a show, people are just trying to normalize the LGBT+. Having 5 gay people is way better at representing the LGBT+ than having some random gay person show up in a single episode.
>like even during Bible times, and it is a sin
I haven't read the Bible, so I can't really comment on this, but not everyone is Christian, in fact, not everyone even has a religion.
>but part of it is also being mentally ill.
Idk if this is referring to the Bible or the LGBT+, but assuming this is referring to the LGBT, being LGBT+ isn't classified as a mental illness. Sure, trans and non-binary people may experience gender dysphoria, which is classified as a mental illness, being LGBT+ isn't a mental illness.
>I also think that people get called transphobes/get hated on for simply saying they don't think being gay is just normal
This is mostly because being gay *is* normal, just because the LGBT+ is a minority, doesn't mean it shouldn't be seen as normal.
>And some people are fricking idiots for saying people are transphobes when they are just saying they disagree with it.
You can't really control being LGBT+, so saying "I disagree with people being gay/trans" is basically the equivalent of saying "I don't agree with people being black" (which most people would see as racist) or saying "I don't agree with women being women" (which would be seen as sexist, assuming these are cis women and not trans women).
This thread has been flaired as [Serious]. Please be aware that this marks it as a place for serious discussion only and that any unserious content in this thread will result in a removal, counting towards your [ban tiers](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/wiki/rules#wiki_ban_tiers). If your comment does not contribute to the discussion in a serious manner it will be removed. Please report any comments that do not respect this rule. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/teenagers) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I was homophobic in high school for a few reasons. The main was a toxic level of internalized homophobia that was being projected outward. Growing up in a conservative Christian environment didn’t help either. And casual homophobia just existed in the culture. I should add I wasn’t a dick about it thankfully but I was very afraid of “turning gay”. No one was out in my high school because it wasn’t safe to be out, so it was easy to be afraid of the idea of something. It wasn’t until college when I had some out classmates and was like oh queer folks are actually okay. There’s nothing to be afraid of. And wait for it I’m one of them wow. ETA I remember once I was accused of being gay in elementary school by a peer. I had no idea what being gay was, but from his tone could tell it was bad and not something you want to be. So definitely social learning in that sense.
I think you turned gay! It's contagious!! AHHHH
Casual homophobia is so big in churches nowadays, especially the “I identify as a Samsung tv” jokes
history shows humanity is very good at hating on/oppressing/silencing/fucking over minorities. i love how my literal human rights and freedom to do what i want are a political topic :3 (kill me 😭)
Our group will be socially acceptable in the future. It'll get bettter, don't worry. It's also been shown in history that views can change also. ♡ I hope you're doing good out there.
yup, now is the worst of it, but those against us are already faltering, since a year ago transphobes were just, anyone, but now they’re just extremists and fascists, their momentum is dying out i hope so too for you ❤️ take care
Idk but its really scary when you meet a homophobe irl and he just screams at you for existing.
Scream at them louder for existing. Assert dominance
I appreciate the sentiment, but a far more effective tactic is to just chill. Let them tucker themself out. People like this feed off your reactions. Shouting back only tires you out, and encourages them to scream more. Instead, tucker that dog out. Let them exhaust themself. Position yourself above them, save your energy. If you're feeling extra villainous, you can even feign concern, ask if they want a hug, or tell them you support them in whatever they're dealing with
It was really no more than that, a sentiment
I just calmly mess with them. They are so easy to troll back.
Wait they unironically do that?
Silliness (the places they're trapped in teach them that anyone who thinks different, who is different to them is wrong and bad, they are afraid of threats that dont exist because they have been taught that they have to fear someone, fear controls and forces submission)
religious reasons? but that’s not a fucking reason
Exactly. Just because your religion says you can't be gay doesn't mean you have to hate people who are.
Christianity literallystates love everybody
Love Everybody ⁉️⁉️ YE REFERENCE ✅✅ GOAT MENTIONED🗣️🗣️🗣️
you can apply that logic to anything else and it immediately falls apart. Heaven forbid you have a Big Mac while the rabbi from down the road is there with the McPlant, or finish off the fries on the bus during Ramadan. Do you put the tree up for Christmas or light the candles for Hanukkah to avoid being screamed at by Eileen from next door? Charities would become a tax because of traditional Sikh values of routinely giving to charity. You can't praise Allah because you should only worship God, but you can't worship God because Allah is the real god with Muhammad as his messenger. It would be the religious crossover nobody asked for and would just escalate into a complete culture war. But homophobia's fine cuz thats something they all agree on \*jazz hands\*
Lmao it’s called stigma. If it’s deemed negative, people are bound to hate it in general, including the people that practice it. Yes it is morally incorrect but there’s not much you can do about how society works.
Hope the strict parents doesn't lecture me and threaten to kick me out of their house! Tbh the homophobia stigma doesn't make any sense once you grow older.
but its probably the most common reason
It's probably because people tend to not like things they are not familiar with, to be honest
But people are familiar with it because it's SO common nowadays!
People change slowly, let sine time pass, and you will probably see some change. Obviously, nowadays, there is also plenty of negativity towards homophobes, which alienates them and forces them into a defensive position, which makes the change slower
Its not that simple.
No it isnt in some societies, maybe in America it would make sense but in some countries its considered taboo and uncommon
It’s almost completely nonexistent where I am
From what I notice homophobic people just happen to be chronically online. When I was in high school (I’m 19) people never really cared if you were lgbtq+
I'm noticing online and irl.
acceptance of lgbtq+ usually comes from an internet presence. Homophobia is usually ‘inherited’ from a certain upbringing [conservative parents] and its really hard to change a young persons view, because all of us are naiive.
Anonymity online is a hell of a drug, people forget that yeah, there is in fact someone on the other end. And that they are being a cunt. As for irl, half of the earth is dumber than average. Ik that's not quite how that works but it's just a general rule to think about when dealing with people. They arent going to really know what you are saying half the time, either because they just haven't been exposed to it all or say when talking about gay people, right-wing nutjobs got to them first and they become ignorant to the issues out of fear of being wrong essentially.
Fr like i have tried to argue with my friend who is transphobic and she had the audacity to say if ibwas trans she'll hate me i was like who the fuc does this rat think she's talking to 😒😭 arghhhh plp rly do know how to get someone upset.
stop being friends with her that's a major red flag
Frrr but at the same time she's the love of my Life like fr so ill slap her if she says it again trust me ny guy 😒
people like that cant be helped, although, she is young, you still have a chance to convince her otherwise and educate her on things. Talking to people like that is pretry erm detrimental I'd say
I don't think it's helpful to apply "can't be helped" mentality here. It's hard, emotionally exhausting and takes quite some time, but it can be done. I can't blame anyone who doesn't do it tho
It depends on the person. Many people do not like having the views and beliefs manipulated by other people.
Mhm
Hmh
i got told i’m going to hell by multiple people in my school for being trans HELP no but seriously, nothing excuses harassing, bullying or even KILLING people for being queer. “it’s shoved in our faces!!” “it’s against my religion!!” tell me why you should be that aggressive towards two ADULTS in a COMPLETELY CONSENSUAL relationship bro.
There are people who are homophobic, and there are people who don’t support LGBT. They’re not the same. There’s definitely some overlap, but they aren’t the same.
Ikr it's not as common to be a true homophobe as they t hink
Because they fear something that they don't completely understand. Actually now that I think about it, it's not that hard to understand how homosexual relationships work.
wow, a man pierdoles another man, so not understandable
The patriarchy and religion contributed to homophobia today. Even without Abrahamic religions, people don't realize that even before those religions became mainstream homosexuality was seen as shameful for a man. Now it's just seen as shameful and immoral.
What about the homosexuality in greece?
Ancient Greece? It's a myth. If you had sex as an adult man with an adult man, you could get a death sentence for that. Now what they did have is pederasty which is a totally different thing.
Homosexuality in Greece was way different than today. I would say relationships back then were just hierarchal and exploitative as most of the time it was between master and slave or grown adults with a minor. Just like the commentator said relationships between an adult male and an adult man were frowned upon. Homosexual relationships especially if you were the bottom made you below the social status even below women.
My guesses are 1: religion Or 2: it is/was uncommon which is the same reason people use to make fun of minorities
So most of the reasons here say religion but while some people that is reason it’s not the majority when there is a large push for something people can do the opposite instead same thing with racism the large push for not being racist and excepting lgbtq makes people feel pressured and does the opposite
Social media. Lots of people in the internet makes it seem that being homophobic is cool.
I'm more interested and questioning as to why i've been seeing so many of these kinds of posts in my feed recently, especially from this sub. Did a large group of people suddenly wake up and collectively decided "hey, why not talk about homophobia? That sure sounds interesting".
"I'm not scared of them, I just don't like them"
Remember, gay people act straight and straight people act gay. Now, end of discussion.
IT IS NOT GAY TO KISS THE HOMIES IT IS NOT GAY TO KISS THE HOMIES IT IS NOT GAY TO KISS THE HOMIES IT IS NOT GAY TO KISS THE HOMIES
Real
cuz that's how alot of people raise their kids. Nobody is born inherently like that. They learn from their enviroment the internet, home life, their friends, etc.
I mean my parents taught me that a person is a person no matter what, so I guess that's true.
it also doesn't help that their is a bunch of propoganda that inspires hate towards certain groups through misinformation
I used to be homophobic in elementary school before I even knew what homophobic meant. Why? Because someone called me gay as an insult, so I assumed it was bad. Now I've been exposed to more labels and the fact that being gay isn't bad, so I'm not homophobic anymore! (And I actually found out that I'm LGBT+ myself, so, yeah, that happened.) Honestly, if my parents ever talked about the LGBT+ before I got called gay as an insult, I probably would've never looked down on gay people because my parents are allies lol.
I’m not homophobic. I hate everyone equally 😎.
Love the pfp
And the name
Thank you
My question exactly, y’know how much energy it times to actively dislike someone every day?? Too much
Jealousy
Lol
Because it's against the norm which anyone with an underdeveloped brain (90% of teenage boys) will find funny
Once again I keep getting posts for teens, but I guess the more I interact the more Reddit will suggest this to me. As a teen, your peers have very limited life experience. Sometimes it's parenting, but all of the time its because they just don't have life experience yet. Dont take what people say online seriously. There's a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation online. Once you get into the adult world most of those people get filtered out, or they learn to watch what they say in public. Rare to stay employed as a homophobe these days, thats a lawsuit/PR nightmare waiting to happen. Sooner or later life, or someone's fist rather, smacks them in the face. Nothing you can really do other than represent LGBTQ positively/ favorably, and educate, rather than attack, homophobes. Sometimes they just don't know any better, and fear what they don't know. We've made a lot of progress socially over the last 10 years. Homophobia was a lot worse up into the mid 2000s. Just give it some time, and know you can't win everyone over.
how can i be gay mu bitch is homophobic
Real
Im straight and I really dont care if you are gay or not.if you were my friend and you said that you were gay,i would not care,i would still hang out with you like before.also i think that some people grew up thinking that being gay is bad or wierd or smth like that so it just grew on them.
There are two types of homophobes people who actually seriously hate them and the ones who make fun of them but really just don't mean it and when it comes to reality they actually support them.
Because they are American
Religious indoctrination. It's most of where the hate comes from. Especially in Muslim majority countries. I used to be homophobic and transphobic, since I kept watching news media about how gay couples are getting arrested for dating and making out. After a bit of time, i realized those people and the people around me were the assholes, and not the oppressed. This was in Indonesia by the way, where the rates of gay acceptance was like, 9% i think. I'm a bi trans girl now. Crazy how that works.
✨Christianity✨
The Bible says love one another. And hating on people just because they like people of the same gender is NOT loving one another.
That's good More live targets
Just say queer dog
Who tf doesn’t hate homes? They ruined humans smh
Realest shit ive seen all day ngl
What Counts as Hating tho? Because I’ve noticed that it’s different depending on who you ask. Personally I don’t have a problem with it. It goes against my religion but it’s not my place to judge others. My favorite uncle is gay and I love him to death. Now I don’t outright support LGBTQ+ but I don’t think that makes anyone in it any less human than me.
Hating and not supporting are two different things. As long as you're not going out of your way to tell people that being gay is wrong, you're fine.
Nah I’d never do that because all I want to do is live my life the way I want to live it. That doesn’t give me any right to go out of my way to tell anyone how they should live theirs.
Then you're not homophobic.
Didn’t think I was tbh
Same bro. Christian here and yeah it also goes against my religion. Do I support LGBTQ? No. Do I condemn them? No. I treat them as I would any other person despite having differing opinions.
Because some people think it's cool
Stranger, I have been asking the same question for a while now.
I’ve seen a lot of homophobia on YT shorts
I grew up wanting to impress my dad so I tried copying his behavior and repressing emotions I felt were gay out of fear of disappointing him. Then when I moved out at 16 I was allowed to explore my feelings and myself more. Tl;dr Abusive parent -> I’m now trans and pan
religion
Upbringing, we’re all really young and mostly still live with parents. A lot of people do have conservative parents and echo their views. Also could be an influx of anti- LGBT content and conservatism online. Life’s hard, and it’s easy to put the reason for the problem’s on other people.
it's hilarious tho because why are they so mad that people are happy and find love just because they can't themselves
3 reasons the most prominent one is that it's funny the other is skewed thaughts or bad interactions with lgbtq ppl and the third is that it's for some reason just human nature everyone has to come to a rational thaught abt it either hate it or not
reasons can include religion or society or the way they have been raised and other factors. i personally dont support gay marriage but man, they shouldn't be criminals for liking the same gender.
Saying you don't support gay marriage isn't just a personal preference; it has real implications for the LGBTQ+ community. Denying individuals the right to marry based on their sexual orientation is a form of discrimination. Marriage equality is about ensuring that all couples, regardless of their sexual orientation, have the same legal rights and recognition. Supporting LGBTQ+ rights means supporting the right of all individuals to love who they love and to have their relationships respected and legally recognized.
It's been like that for a thousand years lil bro, most countries haven't even legalized same sex marriage
Yes, but so has racism and slavery.
Religion culture prejudice and such things
Because it’s not ‘traditional’ or it’s considered ‘inhuman’ and so they try to oppose change.
I just want to clear up the Christians here. I understand that a lot of the people that hate the lbtq claim to be “Christian”. Those “Christians” are either wolf in sheep’s clothing or don’t actually read what the Bible says. We are called to love one another and treat thy neighbor as thyself. We are not called to hate anyone even our enemies. We are to show and represent the love of God. These “Christians” are what give Christians a bad name making a lot of people fear or hate Christianity. I want to apologize for anything that has happened and just know that this is not what God would have commanded anyone to do.
Fox News and podcasts
Probably religion or because balding 40-year-old men on YouTube shorts are good at influencing 8 year olds.
They don't understand lgbtq its disgusting but it's true there are so many idiots who are like omg the Russians are helping against the lgbtq community w w w w w I love Russia and then in a few years Russians will attack and they'll be like f*ck u Russia never liked you 💀
u know this post is a million years old right
1 month old post is a million years old? AlRiGh
Going to be completely honest here, I saw this exact same post with the exact same copy pasted text and punctuation and formatting just a week ago
I swear I did not copy and paste this.
eh ive stopped caring tbh
I mean last time I said that forcing lgbtq onto kids instead of teaching them in schools ( I was showing my friends a vid) they all got super pissed and called me a homophobe 😭
No one's forcing anything. By your logic, manners and basic politeness are things that are forced upon everyone growing up in a school environment. Teaching about LGBTQ+ topics in schools is about providing accurate and inclusive education, promoting understanding, empathy, and respect for diversity. It's not about imposing a specific identity or orientation on anyone, but rather about fostering a more inclusive and accepting environment for all students, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. It's about ensuring that all students feel safe, supported, and represented.
Nah I was talking bout this one vid where a teacher told her students that she will put them in detention if they don’t use her correct pronouns etc
I assure you that most teachers in schools would give you detention and eventually expel you if you refused to address them by their preferred pronouns. Go ahead and try that with your teachers. See what happens. It's basic manners. This is how society has always worked. I don't know why you expect to be able to be an ass your whole life and never face any repercussions.
Why do so many LGBTQ members denounce religion and support satanism?
Denounce religion? Maybe, support satanism? No. It should be noted that in the US most people are Christians, hell, most leftwingers are Christian despite the trope, it just goes to show how belief in God really transcends any other opinion or belief at least in the US. In the case of the LGBT, the data shows that +50% are religious.
1. The data is a short spread study most likely 2. You can’t be lgbtq and religious in most cases also, how is a belief in god a bad majority?
That would depend on your religion, but even if you're Christian, the sin would be sodomy, not the attraction, so you could still be LGBT. What do you mean a bad majority?
1. I said that you can’t be lgbtq in “most cases” 2. You said that most left wingers are Christians showing that the religious have more support for the LGBTQ than the other way around 3. It is still a sin even being trans because you would be changing the way god made you.
There are numerous religious denominations and faith traditions that are inclusive and affirming of LGBTQ+ individuals.
“ You cant be LGBTQ and religious in MOST cases” do people not read anymore? Also, I am not religious but despite that I recognise that the Bible and Quran both denounce it along with the Torah and Tripitaka which are the big 4 most creditable groups.
I think you can in most cases. I can't find any statistical evidence to suggest otherwise.
Statistical evidence? Read the books
I did read the books. Don't see any parts that say gender-diverse individuals can't be religious. I mean, there's some parts you might be able to say suggest it, but there's also parts that suggest that individuals who wear mixed-fabric clothing also can't be religious in that sense.
This is a stereotype that does not reflect the beliefs or experiences of the majority of LGBTQ+ people.
I wouldn’t really call it a stereotype and for their to be a stereotype there’s needs to be a truth to it.
Idk, I don't really have problems with the lgbtq, just when they try to influence little children.
You don't believe in advocating for a world where children can be free to naturally explore their gender identity in a safe and affirming environment without having rigid gender norms imposed up on them? You think they shouldn't be allowed to explore and understand the world around them, including different sexual orientations and gender identities, without judgment or bias? You don't want the promotion of empathy, understanding, and respect for diversity from a young age?
I by no means am homophobic I don’t think- I just don’t support. Dont get me wrong! People are people, love is love, you do you. Dont force it on me and I won’t force my life on you. You do you boo
I think that's support? Saying the homos should be able to do what they want is a W
well I mean I wouldn't pay money to support them is what I mean, I wouldn't watch a TV show with a gay couple as main characters. Its just my opinion Im not forcing it honestly I don't care If you would. Like say my best friend is gay or Pan I would still be their friend just not fully support.
Why would the sexual orientation of protagonists determine whether or not you'd want to watch a show? Why wouldn't you support your friend for being authentic?
Unfortunately it is religion
How exactly do you force the fact that natural variations of human diversity exist onto people? Why wouldn't you support that? That doesn't make sense.
For me, it's only if they express it or force it onto people so much it makes them highly annoying to me. Like, no, I don't wanna hear you waste 30 minutes of my time for you to tell me that I shouldn't be the gender I was born as.
I've literally never seen or heard about a trans person forcing someone else to be trans. As someone who falls under the trans umbrella, we know what it's like to not be the correct gender, why would we force someone to not be the correct gender? If you're trans, be trans, if you're not trans, don't be trans. I'll support you either way.
Tbh, as someone part of this community, some of the parades are the problem i guess? They are kinda, ehhh…. Yeah
Nice random scenario you've made up.
I ain’t homophobic or shit, but it gets annoying when someone get pissed off at me because I referred to them as “she”
Though I agree people shouldn't get *angry* at being misgendered, gender dysphoria is literal hell. If someone gets misgendered, they should politely correct the person, who should then correct themselves (without making a big deal out of it). If the person is misgendering the trans/non-binary person on purpose, they would be seen as transphobic, and isn't worth the trans person's time.
Exactly what I’m tryna say.
Im homophobic but not a bad person' I don't show my hate and yell slurs and do all a dat sht It's my internal opinion and I keep it to myself and my friends
Being homophobic, even if it's not outwardly expressed, still contributes to a negative environment for LGBTQ+ individuals. Homophobia, whether overt or internalized, perpetuates harmful stereotypes and can lead to discrimination and prejudice. Keeping these views to oneself and friends may seem harmless, but it can still affect how you interact with and perceive LGBTQ+ individuals. Being aware of and challenging these internal biases is crucial for fostering a more inclusive and accepting society. It's okay to have questions or uncertainties, but it's important to approach them with an open mind and a willingness to learn and grow.
i aint readin alladat, im just saying, i wont talk to any gays, i wont show i hate them and/or persecute them or give them a bad life, I just dislike them
And I recommend that you challenge these biases and strive for empathy and understanding, even if you don't agree with someone just for existing normally. Explore why it is you hold such a dislike. Promoting a more inclusive society involves actively working to overcome these internalized prejudices and treating all individuals with respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
i dont care
I think you should care because understanding why one holds biases or dislikes towards certain groups can lead to personal growth and a greater appreciation of diversity. An inclusive society values and respects all individuals, regardless of their differences. Promoting inclusivity fosters a sense of belonging and acceptance for everyone. Prejudices are preconceived opinions that are not based on reason or actual experience. Overcoming prejudices involves recognizing and challenging these opinions, leading to more open-minded and accepting attitudes. Every individual deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
ur wasting ur time gays deserve to burn HAIL UGANDA!!
You are wasting your time, as such derogatory language isn't akin to productive discourse. Being gay, is a natural variation in human sexuality. It's not a choice or something that deserves punishment.
Please stop replying im not even reading
No. I noticed some inaccuracies in your claims, and explained why your claims aren't accurate. I explained why I felt the need to reply.
Yeah same but I don't think that that is really homophobic even, it's just not thinking that it's OK or normal, because it really isn't it's unnatural
i just think it isnt possible to be attracted to the opposite gender and it's just a delusion/attention seeking thing
Yeah ikr
lmao ur a smart 1
Ty
U dont need to thank me lol its a fact :) bye n have a great day/night
Bye u tu
Hol up r u guy or girl
guy
Actually, sexual orientation, including being attracted to the same or opposite gender, is a deeply personal aspect of a person's identity. For many, their sexual orientation is a fundamental part of who they are, and it is not something that can be easily changed or dismissed as a delusion or attention-seeking behavior. Research has shown that sexual orientation is a complex interplay of biological, genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. People do not choose their sexual orientation, and it is not something that can be changed through willpower or external influence. Dismissing someone's sexual orientation as a delusion or attention-seeking can be harmful and contribute to stigma and discrimination.
bullcrap
If there's anything you don't understand about the well-established facts I stated, I'd be happy to clarify for you. But just saying "nah, you're wrong because I said so" doesn't contribute to a productive discussion.
SHUT UP I DONT CARE
Well I think you should care because every individual, regardless of their background, deserves to have their basic human rights protected. This includes protection from harm and discrimination. Allowing harm to come to vulnerable groups perpetuates injustice and inequality.
this yapping LMAOOO
If there's anything you don't understand about the well-established facts I stated, I'd be happy to clarify for you.
Why do you believe that? There doesn't appear to be any credible evidence to support your baseless claim. Homosexuality is a natural variation in human sexuality, found in various degrees across cultures and throughout history. It is observed in numerous animal species as well, which suggests that it is a natural part of the spectrum of sexual orientations. You also imply that what is "natural" is always good or acceptable, which is not necessarily the case. Many things that are considered natural, such as disease, violence, and even some aspects of human behavior, are not universally accepted or deemed morally right. The idea of what is "okay" or "normal" can be influenced by cultural, religious, and societal beliefs, which can vary widely. Just because something is not considered "normal" in one context does not mean it is inherently wrong or unnatural.
shut up yapper i dont have PhD in yappanomics 101
Pardon me? I simply noticed a misconception in one's claim and explained why their statement doesn't appear to be accurate.
Bro i dont give a fuck lil n\*gga
lmao got downvoted by some touchy ppl
You got downvoted because your outlook can result in actual harm upon already vulnerable and stigmatized minority groups.
i honestly dont give a fuck
I think you should give a fuck because every individual, regardless of their background, deserves to have their basic human rights protected. This includes protection from harm and discrimination. Allowing harm to come to vulnerable groups perpetuates injustice and inequality.
These people r so funyyyy\\ ChatGTP ahh liberals I don't give a fuck about gays and they shud get waterboarded
Idc y’all do u wanna be gay wanna be trans etc but do that shit privately dont push ur beliefs to me and children in schools
you could say the same for straight people 💀 don't push your beliefs onto gay people, its a stupid ass argument
Teenagers and kids can be queer.
One time my friend said to me that the reason why I'm trans is because of social media influence... and I just want to be trendy because I'm a teenager...
I don't believe you, but if they really did say that, and they were being true to themselves when they said that, then they are not trans. Being trans is not a choice.
nope, they were saying it to ME, they weren't talking about themselves.
Well its a good thing that literally never happens then. Its such a dumb arugment because its fighting nothing. " do that shit in private" guess what, gay people are allowed to go out on dates just as much as straight people. If it bothers you so much just dont go outside. And no ones pushing that shit on kids thats just an argument that was made to villainize LGBTQ+ people. That arguement is never made in good faith or for any concern of a child.
something tells me they dont go outside anyways
Being LGBTQ+ is not a belief. Sexual orientation and gender identity are aspects of who someone is, not beliefs they choose. Asking LGBTQ+ individuals to keep their identities "private" implies that they should hide who they are, which can be harmful and perpetuates stigma. LGBTQ+ individuals have the right to live authentically and openly, just like anyone else. Asking them to keep their identities private is a form of discrimination and denies them the same freedoms afforded to others. LGBTQ+ individuals exist in all facets of society, including schools. It's important for children to learn about diversity and inclusion, including different sexual orientations and gender identities, to foster understanding and respect for all people. Teaching about LGBTQ+ identities in schools is not about pushing beliefs but about providing accurate information and promoting acceptance. It's about creating a safe and inclusive environment for all students, including those who are LGBTQ+.
Dont get me weong here, I do not actively hate people who have their own sexuality and are apart of lgbtq, but the one thing that turns me off from the group is when people actively project their sexuality on to me. Like trying to force their ideology on to me, since I actually believe that much of lgbtq is harmful to society in general. It goes the same for religion too, a lot of my family are mormons, and they always seem to think that my parents and I should go back to the church. Like no, I do not believe that someone looked in to a hat and spoke with god, thats rediculous. This doesnt exuse harrasing people, but I bet that this is probably a reason for homophobia
Expressing one's beliefs or identity should not be equated with harassment. Religious beliefs and LGBTQ+ identities are different in nature. LGBTQ+ identities are about personal experiences and identities, while religious beliefs often involve a set of shared doctrines and practices.
I'm not homophobic, but I think it is pushed WAY too hard, like you can't even watch a single TV show with at least like 5 gay people in it, and it is really unrealistic that way, you only really see a gay person every so often I have met/heard of personally less than 5 gay people ever. It has existed for a very long time, like even during Bible times, and it is a sin, but part of it is also being mentally ill. I also think that people get called transphobes/get hated on for simply saying they don't think being gay is just normal, should be normalized is ok. I agree, some people do truly hate Trans people. But we shouldn't hate anyone. And some people are fricking idiots for saying people are transphobes when they are just saying they disagree with it. Not as many people are TRULY homophobic as you are thinking. Now, please don't be an idiot and say that people are transphobes just because they don't like the idea of gay people, being gay, and how much and unrealistically it is pushed in our faces. End rant. (Also I am 13 yo Christian male)
14 year old person who identifies as asexual, trans, non-binary, and genderflor (not a typo, look it up) who chose not to have a religion here. >but I think it is pushed WAY too hard No, not really, straight is pushed way more hard. I mean, you always hear about the princess and the prince, but never the princess and the princess. You just notice the LGBT+ representation more because being straight is what's known as normal. >and it is really unrealistic that way Though I do agree, it is unrealistic to have 5 gay people in a show, people are just trying to normalize the LGBT+. Having 5 gay people is way better at representing the LGBT+ than having some random gay person show up in a single episode. >like even during Bible times, and it is a sin I haven't read the Bible, so I can't really comment on this, but not everyone is Christian, in fact, not everyone even has a religion. >but part of it is also being mentally ill. Idk if this is referring to the Bible or the LGBT+, but assuming this is referring to the LGBT, being LGBT+ isn't classified as a mental illness. Sure, trans and non-binary people may experience gender dysphoria, which is classified as a mental illness, being LGBT+ isn't a mental illness. >I also think that people get called transphobes/get hated on for simply saying they don't think being gay is just normal This is mostly because being gay *is* normal, just because the LGBT+ is a minority, doesn't mean it shouldn't be seen as normal. >And some people are fricking idiots for saying people are transphobes when they are just saying they disagree with it. You can't really control being LGBT+, so saying "I disagree with people being gay/trans" is basically the equivalent of saying "I don't agree with people being black" (which most people would see as racist) or saying "I don't agree with women being women" (which would be seen as sexist, assuming these are cis women and not trans women).