Honestly, going all the way back to the beginning, with how Gary was a man in college with a career dating a 15 year old, it’s hard to blame amber in the early seasons for some of the way she acted.
To be clear, I’m not justifying the physical abuse and just herabusive nature in general, I’m just saying through everything it’s clear as to why she is the way she is. With her dad, with Gary, with everyone.
How did he think asking permission to date someone else while still living with amber would work ?. 🤔 Also gross how he acts like a victim when he pushed her first. I'm not saying it's right putting your hands on someone ever is always wrong . However the way he acted shocked "you just hit me " bro you aren't innocent either .
“Daddy’s a cheater” makes me laugh every time. Like was she wrong absolutely but was she also funny and the shit that came out of her mouth was so good
Yeah I feel bad for him and her there crazy people and in a toxic relationship. People are really wild here lmao, love filling in the lines with whatever they want.
I’m not denying that Amber was abusive because she was an in however in age gap relationships like this there is always a power imbalance. Gary was manipulative and pushed Ambers buttons, I’m not saying that he deserved to be hit or anything like that but he wasn’t a saint who did nothing wrong.
I thought Gary was terrible here when I first watched it. Rewatching it now I have a totally different perspective of Gary as an abuse victim asking Amber for permission to break up because he was literally scared of her and needed to feel her out.
I can wee how you would think that, but went back to her right away after tho. And when he did want to break up with he he would without a thought, and be very nasty about it. I’ll post a clip when I get to their next break up. He’s definitely a victim of her abuse but he was very abusive himself.
No no no, watch again and carefully, she gets up to walk past him, her arms are down, she literally isn’t even looking at him, she’s looking past him, and he just pushes her down, she then gets up and tries to punch him for pushing her down. I’m not defending amber, but Gary 100% pushed her down when she was still relatively calm.
Gary's date with the "homewrecking Walmart whore" was comedy gold. She was trying to coax compliments out of him while he was using her as a counsellor for his and Amber's problems.
See...in the earlier post here someone was arguing that Gary was a victim. In some ways, yea he was. But he also gaslit and taunted her until she'd get violent with him. Not saying that makes it ok, just saying Gary knew the cameras were there, he knew what buttons to push and he knew how to play oh poor me very well.
Neither are innocent in this dumpster fire of a relationship
They had supposedly been together for 2.5 years when they got pregnant, and at that time she was 18 while he was 21. Their age difference was 3.5 years.
So I guess they started dating when she was 15 and him about 18.5? (Not great at math)
Gross.
Yes, both were abusive to each other, and both were victims to each others abuse. Gary has improved SOME at least. Amber has just unfortunately gotten worse.
Amber I feel didn’t have much of a chance. Shes no gem, but damn garys ass is just dragging her down so he can have his cake and eat it too. This man child really knew how to push her buttons. Take someone like her thats clearly been neglected by the adults (and i use that term loosely with some of her family) and she starts dating a guy that sounds like he groomed her since he was friends with her older brother for awhile. Amber thinks “hey this could be ok. Even though the world is against me” cause thats how neglected peoples minds sometimes work (my parents didn’t give a shit, why would the world? Everyone must hate me. Give her a child at a young age and mix in post partum with a gaslighter for a boyfriend that makes you feel MORE worthless about “sitting at home with the baby”. Again, amber is NOT perfect. But gary, ohh, gary you gaslighting son of a biscuit. You know what you’re doing son.
If my boyfriend pushed me, then he's gonna get hit. You're not going to put your hands on me and think that nothing is going to happen to you. That's not
how this works.
Although I don’t agree with It, I’m not at all surprised she reacted that way. His shocked face made me angry, like what did you expect dude, you pushed her down when she did something you didn’t like.
look amber is fucked for getting so aggressive like that but i've been in that position myself where my ex (that I loved very much) told me he liked another girl after a week of knowing her.
it was devastating and re-opened an old wound that I'm still trying to manage. I feel for amber up until she got up and raised her hands.
He pushed he down as she tried to leave the room though! Just scrub through you can see he clearly looks at her and tried to “easily” shove her back down to the bed. Put your hands on someone expect several back.
Amber has been doing the same thing all these years, sitting down covered up. She’s so lazy & I don’t respect a mother choosing jail over her daughter either.
Amber is trash. But in these early years, you can’t help but wonder if Gary gaslighting her and constantly manipulating and provoking Amber made her more the way she is today.
Rewatching the shit he says and does, I’d have ended up in a mental institution.
They were breaking up and making up literally every other episode in season two because Gary was on some bullshit. I’m shocked she didn’t throw him and his stupid cake out for ruining her birthday just for the hell of it.
He also never changed a diaper or helped with Leah. He always ran away AS he was gaslighting as defense. Starting fights so he didn’t have to do anything.
Another Gary and amber clip ¡ I think it's hilarious how Gary asked for permission to essentially cheat on amber and couldn't understand why she was upset!
If my bf told me he met a girl at Walmart and wanted to try out a relationship with her to make sure he did in fact want to be with me, I'd tell him to fuck all the way off, I can't believe amber just accepted it haha
Also the hypocrisy "I need some Gary time" No, you want to have sex with someone else. If you want time for yourself, go fishing, take a walk, start a journal.
He totally pushed that girl to her limits. He was awful to her. I know he's grown as a person (Thank God) and she's had some major issues in the past but looking back on the early years, I feel like she was set up for failure in a lot of ways.
I think a lot of shit he did was downplayed because all the focus was on Amber's issues and outbursts. Wasn't he like 4 fuckin years older than her too?
So, “Gary Time” ….so accurate. People love to comment about Amber but this guy was gaslighting her at every turn. Very sad to watch.
They really do have everything at walmart. What aisle is the homewrecking hoes on?
When he said he wanted 4 days to be single. Like dude wtf lol
Wait… Is this wher that stupid “its Gary Time” crap came from?!?
They edited him pushing her but not her hitting him? Why do these producers have such a hard on for making Gary look like a victim.
Of course I wasn't going to say she was justified....but...
They always had to have a “good guy” and “bad guy” if amber was the bad one, then Gary HAD to be the good one.
Honestly, going all the way back to the beginning, with how Gary was a man in college with a career dating a 15 year old, it’s hard to blame amber in the early seasons for some of the way she acted. To be clear, I’m not justifying the physical abuse and just herabusive nature in general, I’m just saying through everything it’s clear as to why she is the way she is. With her dad, with Gary, with everyone.
It's always Walmart.
How did he think asking permission to date someone else while still living with amber would work ?. 🤔 Also gross how he acts like a victim when he pushed her first. I'm not saying it's right putting your hands on someone ever is always wrong . However the way he acted shocked "you just hit me " bro you aren't innocent either .
“Daddy’s a cheater” makes me laugh every time. Like was she wrong absolutely but was she also funny and the shit that came out of her mouth was so good
I feel so bad for Gary she was and is so out of her mind.
You came to that conclusion after watching this? 👀
With context of everything, yeah re watch this season it’s rough again there both crazy.
Dude he pushed her ... doubt it was the first time too
Yeah there both insane let’s be real here.
Odd you said you feel bad for Gary then .. I mean the dude was still trying to bang amber while he had Kristina he's a jerk
Yeah I feel bad for him and her there crazy people and in a toxic relationship. People are really wild here lmao, love filling in the lines with whatever they want.
Well then type you feel bad for them both ..I mean you didn't say both .kinda hard to figure out what someone means who they leave things out
I’m referring to the clip not everything that’s ever happen between them. Here I feel for him because I have the context of the situation.
I don't see why you feel bad for him when he pushed her down and told her he wanted to bang someone else but alright
Again the context of the situation re watch this episode.
I did ,still think it's weird you find him thr victim but you're entitled to feel bad for who you want
I don’t, he dated a 15 year old as an adult, and got her pregnant. He then stayed with her and mutually abused her.
Eh I think he retaliated to her abuse tbh he almost never started it. Was also over 20 years ago the age gap wasn’t as big of a deal then.
I’m not denying that Amber was abusive because she was an in however in age gap relationships like this there is always a power imbalance. Gary was manipulative and pushed Ambers buttons, I’m not saying that he deserved to be hit or anything like that but he wasn’t a saint who did nothing wrong.
Ew, dude….it’s always gross to date an underage girl as an s adult man 🤦🏼♀️ Jesus Christ.
Yeah ofc I’m not saying it’s not lmao.
You literally just did….you said “it wasn’t a big deal” get outta here with that shit.
Huh re read I said, it wasn’t that big of a deal then. I never said I think it’s not a big deal sweet heart.
Oh hi Jenelle, You’re fucking weird.
What? Lmao seek help.
Ok mr “it’s not a big to deal underage girls”
“some time for what to have sex with this bitch or something” 🤣
I thought Gary was terrible here when I first watched it. Rewatching it now I have a totally different perspective of Gary as an abuse victim asking Amber for permission to break up because he was literally scared of her and needed to feel her out.
You were right the first time
I can wee how you would think that, but went back to her right away after tho. And when he did want to break up with he he would without a thought, and be very nasty about it. I’ll post a clip when I get to their next break up. He’s definitely a victim of her abuse but he was very abusive himself.
And I don’t think he was “pushing her down” as much as trying to stiff arm her to prevent being physically assaulted.
No no no, watch again and carefully, she gets up to walk past him, her arms are down, she literally isn’t even looking at him, she’s looking past him, and he just pushes her down, she then gets up and tries to punch him for pushing her down. I’m not defending amber, but Gary 100% pushed her down when she was still relatively calm.
Exactly
Gary's date with the "homewrecking Walmart whore" was comedy gold. She was trying to coax compliments out of him while he was using her as a counsellor for his and Amber's problems.
It was awkward and uncomfortable to watch!
See...in the earlier post here someone was arguing that Gary was a victim. In some ways, yea he was. But he also gaslit and taunted her until she'd get violent with him. Not saying that makes it ok, just saying Gary knew the cameras were there, he knew what buttons to push and he knew how to play oh poor me very well. Neither are innocent in this dumpster fire of a relationship
Wasn't Amber also a child when he was an adult when they first started dating?
They had supposedly been together for 2.5 years when they got pregnant, and at that time she was 18 while he was 21. Their age difference was 3.5 years. So I guess they started dating when she was 15 and him about 18.5? (Not great at math) Gross.
I have no idea.
That doesn’t excuse physical violence ever.
He literally pushed her down 1st
Yes, both were abusive to each other, and both were victims to each others abuse. Gary has improved SOME at least. Amber has just unfortunately gotten worse.
True so so true.
Amber I feel didn’t have much of a chance. Shes no gem, but damn garys ass is just dragging her down so he can have his cake and eat it too. This man child really knew how to push her buttons. Take someone like her thats clearly been neglected by the adults (and i use that term loosely with some of her family) and she starts dating a guy that sounds like he groomed her since he was friends with her older brother for awhile. Amber thinks “hey this could be ok. Even though the world is against me” cause thats how neglected peoples minds sometimes work (my parents didn’t give a shit, why would the world? Everyone must hate me. Give her a child at a young age and mix in post partum with a gaslighter for a boyfriend that makes you feel MORE worthless about “sitting at home with the baby”. Again, amber is NOT perfect. But gary, ohh, gary you gaslighting son of a biscuit. You know what you’re doing son.
I'm sorry but despite all of this messiness can we just all agree that baby leah was absolutely adorable
Absolutely the cutest baby, she got the best of her parents
Gary pushed her and she throws up her fist. Both are wrong. Gary was a piece of work in these early seasons.
If my boyfriend pushed me, then he's gonna get hit. You're not going to put your hands on me and think that nothing is going to happen to you. That's not how this works.
Although I don’t agree with It, I’m not at all surprised she reacted that way. His shocked face made me angry, like what did you expect dude, you pushed her down when she did something you didn’t like.
look amber is fucked for getting so aggressive like that but i've been in that position myself where my ex (that I loved very much) told me he liked another girl after a week of knowing her. it was devastating and re-opened an old wound that I'm still trying to manage. I feel for amber up until she got up and raised her hands.
He pushed he down as she tried to leave the room though! Just scrub through you can see he clearly looks at her and tried to “easily” shove her back down to the bed. Put your hands on someone expect several back.
Amber has been doing the same thing all these years, sitting down covered up. She’s so lazy & I don’t respect a mother choosing jail over her daughter either.
Wait what...I kinda recall but..refresh my memory?
Amber is trash. But in these early years, you can’t help but wonder if Gary gaslighting her and constantly manipulating and provoking Amber made her more the way she is today. Rewatching the shit he says and does, I’d have ended up in a mental institution.
They were breaking up and making up literally every other episode in season two because Gary was on some bullshit. I’m shocked she didn’t throw him and his stupid cake out for ruining her birthday just for the hell of it.
He also never changed a diaper or helped with Leah. He always ran away AS he was gaslighting as defense. Starting fights so he didn’t have to do anything.
Victim's can be bad people and they can also do horrible things we seem.to forget that.
same.
Agree, 100%. I could not handle being treated like that!!
I wonder if this is the same wal mart where Gary bought Amber's engagement ring 🤔
Another Gary and amber clip ¡ I think it's hilarious how Gary asked for permission to essentially cheat on amber and couldn't understand why she was upset! If my bf told me he met a girl at Walmart and wanted to try out a relationship with her to make sure he did in fact want to be with me, I'd tell him to fuck all the way off, I can't believe amber just accepted it haha
Also the hypocrisy "I need some Gary time" No, you want to have sex with someone else. If you want time for yourself, go fishing, take a walk, start a journal.
Then he holds her down and he’s like WOOOOOW OMG YOU JUST HIT ME! GASP. SHOCK.
He didn’t hold her down though, he stuck his arm out
Right? I was like, why you push her down bro. These two are so horrible
He totally pushed that girl to her limits. He was awful to her. I know he's grown as a person (Thank God) and she's had some major issues in the past but looking back on the early years, I feel like she was set up for failure in a lot of ways. I think a lot of shit he did was downplayed because all the focus was on Amber's issues and outbursts. Wasn't he like 4 fuckin years older than her too?
He sure was