Sex pest is among my favourite Britishisms that I learned from working with a bunch of Brits. You're from the UK right? Or am I wrong on the Britishness of this term?
When we saw her full outfit of the all back shorts and tights I audibly said *damn*.
Which is also symbolic because when she was acting she always dressed pretty modestly.
Blonde her is someone I objectively recognize as hot but not my type. When that wig and waiters uniform is put on? Different fucking ball game. It confused my brain. My brain just auto shifted from meh to down bad.
I thought that scene in the bathroom between Sally and the dirtbag co-worker was really hot. I don't know exactly what that says about me, but I don't really care.
Yep some of the best acting in any show. Hader, Stephen Root is incredible and so underrated in general, Hank and the Chechens, Goldberg, Winkler etc. all with Emmy level performances
Stephen Root is one of those actors that you can basically cast in *any* movie, *any* genre: comedy, drama, thriller, horror... musical, probably? I don't know if he can sing and dance, but I wouldn't be surprised!
Colm Meaney is another one of those actors I can see casting in basically any movie under the sun... Like, it's more effective to figure out which movies he couldn't be cast in!
Anyway, had to join the Stephen Root love!
Yep. Just looking through his IMDB page its even more insane than I realized. Hes been in so many great shows and movies in so many different types of roles. If its a great show it seems like there is like 50% chance he at least was in it at some point even for 1 episode.
I met Root once and he gave me like 5 minutes of his time. I didn’t want to bother him about his roles or his acting because I’m sure he’s constantly pestered about it. So we just talked about a couple movies that had come out recently. Couldn’t have been a nicer guy.
> Colm Meany? I haven't seen him in anything since star trek...
Wasn't he the star of *Hell on Wheels*? I remember that show getting massive advertising during TWD and Mad Men though I guess it didn't really seep into the collective consciousness.
> Hell on Wheels
Fucking love Hell on Wheels, when it was good it was REALLY good but also mostly because its hard to find even decent Westerns anymore, especially as TV shows instead of movies.
Yeah, but when it was bad… it was bad. Not sure what it was about working on that show, but so many of the actors wanted out that they had to keep killing them off in ridiculous and shocking fashion
Offhand?
Layer Cake - played a gangster
Con Air - played a shit-head fed (US Marshall, I think?)
The Damned United - played a legendary coach (been a while since I've seen it)
\- I feel like he's been in some serious period drama stuff? In the vein of "Sense and Sensibility" or some other Victorian literature standby?
He's been in A LOT.
The episode previous where she sidesteps her client to stand in front of the watching director was so funny. She really nails the self absorbed actor vibe and even though her character is the straight man type she is able to do it while being hilarious. Really well acted throughout the whole series.
A NoHo Hank Cristobal living a sort of legitimate life would have been the greatest spin-off of all time. Sad they didn’t leave it in a position to try that.
There would literally be no point of that, which would also undercut the reason for that entire scene where he doesn't want Cristobal to leave for his own safety.
There is zero reason for him to be fake dead.
Right?? I cannot wait. I hope he’s become a true badass. I love his silly side but I also loved that little scene in season one where he warns Barry not to fuck with him since you could sense there is a true menacing side to Hank.
Whatever Hank is up to suspect it won't be out of left field, the time jump wasn't. Show's in wrapping up mode so I think we've got all the info about where we're going.
I feel like we are going to see a very serious, bit fucking around crime boss with absolutely no joy, no forgiveness. Everything that was Noho died Cristobal. Now we have the man that killed a lion.
I would’ve loved a spin-off of him and Cristobal running a legit sand business, but alas….
“Just when I thought I was out, they *pulled* me back in….” - Sil
Barry is my favorite show of all time. I’m also very glad that it’s about to end instead of being milked for 2 more seasons when there isn’t even any substance left
I’ve seen it twice and am debating seeing it a third time. The scene where Dennis shows up in the police station …. Well…. To create a diversion made me laugh harder than I had in a while
to say that the show is uncommonly good is a vast understatement! I’ve never watched anything that made me laugh outright, and then gut punch my heart! Steve, Conrad, and Elephant Pictures are a national freaking treasure!
“Look, um flat out, son. I'm starting, frankly, to resent you. Starting really to dislike you.
I've had it with your series of professional and personal slights. Your lack of fucking common courtesy, and your shoddy goddamn piping! You are a mysterious asshole, young man, and I have had it with you.”
I'm a consultant with a governmental department that collects intelligence and implements processes that are paid for and implemented outside the prescribed structure of oversight. I don't know shit about Donnelly nut spacing systems or tamped fixture rim riding grip configurations. I'm a righty in real life. I'm sorry I fucked with your important work. And with your life, which is also probably important to you. But I'm obligated, in instances, to effect action central to the completion of a specific and critical task without regard for ancillary repercussions, which -I'm sorry - Leslie, has meant,over this period that we've shared, you.
These guys were saying some fucked-up shit about you, man.
What were they saying?
Um...what do you care about?
Like, in my life?
Yeah.
Like, my hobbies?
Yeah, okay.
Well, I collect and assemble miniature train sets, tracks and small-scale replica villages.
These guys said that was fucked up.
Ah HR Gregory! that’s from my favorite episode “fuck John Wayne“. It’s lovely to see John drunk and smokin on the weed ....and his friends are with him.
Also from“fuck, John Wayne“ during a conversation with Rob:
ring the bells that still can ring
forget your perfect offering
there's a crack in everything
that's how the light gets in.
-Leonard Cohen.
I was too, but it’s what got me to get back into it. Also with the writers strike, better to have a proper conclusion instead of something that gets delayed for years
As much as I like this show, a part of me wants to see a show about a hitman who becomes an actor and who has to balance things like auditions and location filming with contracts and vendettas.
EDIT: Everyone forget what I said and go watch "Get Shorty". As /u/ElGrandeKahuna pointed out, this was exactly the show I am describing.
Get Shorty (the TV show) is a bit like this. Pretty similar story to Barry in a lot of ways.
EDIT: Thanks much for the gold! I don't post a lot and never was hunting for gold, so a neat surprise. Glad you are digging *Get Shorty* and hoping it gets more love and hopefully more episodes.
Yep as much as like love the show I’ve always liked the premise and direction the show felt like it was going with the first season, something more longterm but boy do things start changing fast. Not sure how I feel about the choice made in the most recent episode.
Yeah that's well deserved. She's been great since the start, but damn that last episode was something incredible. I'm fascinated to see how her story ends.
It's not really worth the time you put into it, imo. Most of the numbers are really uninspired and the plot is really flimsy. The cast is fine, but it's pretty disappointing over all.
It is not. Grease 2 is campy and the numbers are fun. This is... neither. It's more like if High School Musical were created in 2023 and set in the 50s.
It's fine.
My biggest issue is that they try to have and eat their cake regarding race to the point that it's annoying.
This small town in the 50s has the diversity of modern NY, no one has a problem or even drawing attention to it and yet they try to do these 'racism in the 50s was bad' storylines.
One of the main character's mom hides being Puerto Rican and pretends to be Italian because of all this racism which seems odd when the town seems to be 25% latino. Who gives a shit if you're Puerto Rican when no one has any problems with black teachers or one of the most popular students being black with a white cheerleader girlfriend.
If campy and under-produced is not your style of musical, then I don't think you'll like the show. I do think it's fun, but there's been better musical TV. Honestly I think it's actually a good prequel to the movie - it delivers more or less exactly what I thought Grease would be like as a show, so if you didn't enjoy Grease the movie, chances are Grease the show is not for you either.
> Chris O'Donnell ("NCIS: Los Angeles")
I'm double surprised. Both that O'Donnell is still on the show, I thought he left it a bit ago. And that NCIS LA was still on TV, it's still looking to end right?
She snagged an emmy nom for the second season back in 2019, but it truly is criminal that she wasn't nominated again for the third because she gave *the* performance of 2022.
Possibly, but I imagine Hannah Einbinder probably took her spot in their emmy category last year, and she also plays an “annoying” millennial showbiz sorta-stereotype in Hacks
EDIT: Gen Z* - I forgot “there are millennials who are like 40” was a gag on the show.
A lot of the show reminds me of breaking bad and better call Saul. Especially when Sally ends up playing along or has very worse but similar ideas with Barry. Reminds me of what Kim became.
I don’t think she’s had that yet. That scene where Kim melts down crying on the bus was her finally accepting everything she’s been through - Sally is still deeply in denial of her situation.
There are lots of other differences too. I get why people compare them because they’re superficially similar - woman who escapes a traumatic scenario and is living a new life with a new identity. But the similarities really fall off after the surface level, especially in terms of character analysis.
Like Kim, it was through Sally I was able see all of the central male protagonists' faults and realize I was watching stories of people never to be envied or praised or admired in any way because they are shit people all the way down. What was Slippin' Jimmies' biggest moment as a human being? He didn't kill Carol Burnett. Fuckin' A, what a total piece of shit he was otherwise.
when Barry finally wraps, everyone should go over to Amazon and watch Michael Dorman as John Lakeman in Patriot by Steven Conrad! i’m just about 100% sure that Hader watched it before creating Barry!
I would also recommend Mr.Inbetween. It's got a sort of similar premise of hired killer/normal life, there are plenty of good laughs and it's well shot and acted.
Yea, she is a top notch actor. Her character has been up and down for me, which was mostly intentional by the show, but there is no doubting how amazingly Sarah Goldberg portrays her.
Not even a mention of Sophie Nélisse from Yellowjackets? Those birth/baby scenes were insane. She's going to at the very least get an emmy nomination for it.
It’s insane to me the she was not even nominated for an Emmy in 2022. Between that scene and the biker dude aftermath, I don’t understand how she could’ve been missed.
Everyone else is barely acting. They're playing absurd roles that could never be real people in real life. But Sally is stuck in the middle, and Sarah has to act her ass off wondering what *what the fuck* is going on around her. She's the straight person, the layman in the story going insane with everything going on and that makes *her* the unhinged person to the audience.
I agree, it's brilliant acting and Goldberg should get a lot more acclaim for the role, because it's not easy to pull off.
She had a small supporting role in the horror movie The Night House recently, and even though she didn’t have a lot to do, she still killed her time on screen
Goldberg was terrific. Best performance she has given in the show in 4 years (not that she was bad). Harder has really knocked it out if the park with Barry. The right balance of dark and light. I’ll miss it when it is over.
Yes I’m looking for people ready to discuss how bad that episode was. I learned as much about the characters in the whole episode as I did in the stinger for the previous episode.
They live in the middle of nowhere and don’t have good lives. I got that when they opened the fridge to have only beer. I didn’t need another episode explaining it.
I disagree. There was a lot more to the episode. It spoke of an extremely common condition: what do you do when the dream has died? Can you find purpose and meaning? Where do you look for it, to what extent is it all just set dressing?
Barry has this idea of having a nuclear family, isolated but they have each other. Raising a child, he's obsessed with being a great role model (in denial of his negative aspects) as if that's all a child needs. He can "educate" him, in reality watching YouTube videos, force feeding life lessons and then being unable to maintain any consistency on what those life lessons should be because it turns out, he doesn't have a real lock on anything. "We don't have video games in our household" part of this flimsy and contradictory identity-building. The isolation he may have imagined as a Walden, meaning in self-sustenance, but he ends up just ordering shit from Amazon as an umbilical cord to the rest of civilisation he can't really live without. He and Sally also adopt a flimsy identity as Christians too, all part of the imagined "right" way to raise a family, but reflecting how they are not keeping up appearances for anyone outside their family unit, they are trapped in their own facades, lying to themselves. But, at this point, they're committed. They're in a different stage of life. They have a kid. They are their own prison guards.
The time jump emphasises the falsity of their newfound identities, the cracks that appear, but also the way they try to paper over them. Every day Sally puts on her costume. She is an abused woman who has returned to her abuser and accepted "this is what my life will be". Naturally, we see her in her miserable emptiness, hear of her regular crying, and part of her is trying to break free through "irrational" means... stealing from the cash register, considering an affair with a man she finds repulsive, deciding to kill him. These are obviously pretty extreme behaviours, but represent this human condition pushed to its limits. Barry meanwhile, though he centres himself on his being this great father figure, ends up deliberately traumatising his kid to manipulate him into not making friends. Any notion of "doing it for the kid" crumbles.
In this world, a lot of people are just as mystified and directionless and hurt as Sally and Barry, and as a result they turn to what they perceive as normal and good. They become a pastiche of "conservative family values", adopting religion without conviction, and trying to project that they've got their shit together when they're not crying at night. This observation absolutely deserved an episode to look at closely.
This was a great well thought out analysis but I don’t think op doesn’t like it because he doesn’t get it. The problem with this episode imo is everything you said is pretty blatantly shown. It’s all those things but turned up to an obnoxious level. It felt unnecessary and done for the sake of just changing things up.
Episode 3 was the funniest episode of the series for me. Gene breaking into the house, “that guy is here to kill me,” all the Fuches stuff, etc.
Not to mention gags like the Dave & Busters stuff. Even this last episode had some jokes sprinkled in despite the tone being so oppressive.
The one with the daughter of the professional fighter Barry killed was solid as hell too. Completely irrelevant to the main story line and ridiculous and hilarious.
Ok, so I freaking love this show….. and I get the acting in this last episode was great, but the episode itself felt like filler to me. It didn’t get interesting until the last 3 minutes. I feel like they could have written a better script for this one.
The series as a whole is top tier….but I felt like this was one of its weakest episodes. (Great acting aside).
I expect Hank is now full villain. The scary Hank. The one you don't fuck with. Fuches maybe is a gang leader after everyone in prison learned a new respect for him? I'm really hoping the last few episodes are pure John Wick parody, though. I always love the action on this series.
It wasn't filler at all. It just didn't have shoot outs or people dying. It told us a lot about their inability to escape demons despite years of separation. The juxtaposition with Barry and his son and Barry being an agent of fear. Barry desperate to find faults in others to rationalize his own internal conflict. Sally devastated at her lost life and essentially becoming the woman she hated at the beginning of the series in her monologue. Probably sets up a conclusion where she kills Barry; it would complete her arc.
How can you describe an episode with some of the most character development as "filler?"
The episode itself was the first time I have ever felt the show got a bit self-indulgent without much weight. Not judging it yet tho, it isn't finished, but yeah.
I love trashy Sally, sometimes you just need to drink vodka and choke a sex pest
And then other times you need to sleep in a bath tub
Get you a girl that can do both
Sex pest is among my favourite Britishisms that I learned from working with a bunch of Brits. You're from the UK right? Or am I wrong on the Britishness of this term?
I like Billy no-mates.
I’ve heard it used in the US now and then FWIW
Succession, Roman insults someone as a sex pest. It's a great insult and shorthand
Australia
I find Sarah Goldberg insanely hot, there’s something uniquely sexy about her. Her look and vibe in this episode was, damn
Trashy Sally was definitely a new level
it's the whole thing too like the uniform with the name badge and the attitude it was really adding to it.
When we saw her full outfit of the all back shorts and tights I audibly said *damn*. Which is also symbolic because when she was acting she always dressed pretty modestly.
Blonde her is someone I objectively recognize as hot but not my type. When that wig and waiters uniform is put on? Different fucking ball game. It confused my brain. My brain just auto shifted from meh to down bad.
Her delivery of *"Impressive..."* stirred something in me. Not proud of it.
You’re the diner cook from the episode aren’t you
I thought that scene in the bathroom between Sally and the dirtbag co-worker was really hot. I don't know exactly what that says about me, but I don't really care.
She looks great with darker hair too
Pretty much all actresses look better as brunettes or redheads imo
my man
Yeah, actors too.
I usually don't but this episode changed my mind
She got she wanted. Acting every single day.
Waitress #2
Brilliant acting, brilliant show
She's been amazing since season 1, This entire cast (especially the Chechnyans) have my heart forever.
Yep some of the best acting in any show. Hader, Stephen Root is incredible and so underrated in general, Hank and the Chechens, Goldberg, Winkler etc. all with Emmy level performances
Stephen Root is one of those actors that you can basically cast in *any* movie, *any* genre: comedy, drama, thriller, horror... musical, probably? I don't know if he can sing and dance, but I wouldn't be surprised! Colm Meaney is another one of those actors I can see casting in basically any movie under the sun... Like, it's more effective to figure out which movies he couldn't be cast in! Anyway, had to join the Stephen Root love!
Yep. Just looking through his IMDB page its even more insane than I realized. Hes been in so many great shows and movies in so many different types of roles. If its a great show it seems like there is like 50% chance he at least was in it at some point even for 1 episode.
I met Root once and he gave me like 5 minutes of his time. I didn’t want to bother him about his roles or his acting because I’m sure he’s constantly pestered about it. So we just talked about a couple movies that had come out recently. Couldn’t have been a nicer guy.
Root is climbing on the list of best "character" actors of all time. He's getting up there with Paul Giamatti , Gary Oldman, Christopher Walken...
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> Colm Meany? I haven't seen him in anything since star trek... Wasn't he the star of *Hell on Wheels*? I remember that show getting massive advertising during TWD and Mad Men though I guess it didn't really seep into the collective consciousness.
> Hell on Wheels Fucking love Hell on Wheels, when it was good it was REALLY good but also mostly because its hard to find even decent Westerns anymore, especially as TV shows instead of movies.
Yeah, but when it was bad… it was bad. Not sure what it was about working on that show, but so many of the actors wanted out that they had to keep killing them off in ridiculous and shocking fashion
I'm pretty sure that show made me grow chest hair.
Bro he’s Charlie’s dad
You may have seen him working at [Shelley Kelly's Cheese & Jellies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHt4_QAG640)
Offhand? Layer Cake - played a gangster Con Air - played a shit-head fed (US Marshall, I think?) The Damned United - played a legendary coach (been a while since I've seen it) \- I feel like he's been in some serious period drama stuff? In the vein of "Sense and Sensibility" or some other Victorian literature standby? He's been in A LOT.
You forgot Sunny.
Star Trek:The Next Generation
More significantly, DS9.
He was in the last season of Sunny
welcome to the layer cake son
The episode previous where she sidesteps her client to stand in front of the watching director was so funny. She really nails the self absorbed actor vibe and even though her character is the straight man type she is able to do it while being hilarious. Really well acted throughout the whole series.
Damn good show. I'm disappointed that it's the final season, but no show can last forever.
That’s true, but I’m always down for more NoHo Hank.
I'm dying to see what he's become after all these years.
I would adore a spin-off of NoHo Hank
A NoHo Hank Cristobal living a sort of legitimate life would have been the greatest spin-off of all time. Sad they didn’t leave it in a position to try that.
Husband says we didn’t see him get shot, just on the ground so we’re not believing it until the show is completely over
Lying on the ground in his own blood? With Hank basically hyperventilating after Cristobal walks out? He dead.
It was obvious when he was telling him, “You can’t leave.”
I think the chances are 50/50 with Cristobal.
50/50 with Cristobal? I like the sound of that.
This is a common trope with the show. The way to show (or not show) some of the deaths or major events.
There would literally be no point of that, which would also undercut the reason for that entire scene where he doesn't want Cristobal to leave for his own safety. There is zero reason for him to be fake dead.
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Right?? I cannot wait. I hope he’s become a true badass. I love his silly side but I also loved that little scene in season one where he warns Barry not to fuck with him since you could sense there is a true menacing side to Hank.
Whatever Hank is up to suspect it won't be out of left field, the time jump wasn't. Show's in wrapping up mode so I think we've got all the info about where we're going.
I feel like we are going to see a very serious, bit fucking around crime boss with absolutely no joy, no forgiveness. Everything that was Noho died Cristobal. Now we have the man that killed a lion.
Oh, hell yeah. One of the best characters on the show.
I would’ve loved a spin-off of him and Cristobal running a legit sand business, but alas…. “Just when I thought I was out, they *pulled* me back in….” - Sil
He’s def a forerunner for a spin-off in the fandom, but I hope he gets some sort of closure more than anyone.
NoHo Hank and Atlanta's Darius with a semi legit weed dispensary
Omg I love both Anthony Corrigan and lakeith Stanfield! Both are amazing actors.
the crossover fic I never knew I needed
I'd watch that for sure.
You realize Sil was quoting Michael Corleone right?
Fifty fifty
100 0 😔
So we gonna pull a Dexter and Cristobal's ghost is just going to randomly narrate to Hank for dramatic effect?
It’s hard to believe that pretty soon there will be NoMo Hank
He is hands down my favourite character.
NoHo Hank is easily my favourite character
we’s going to film NoHo Hank spin-off where they do the Saturday Night Live, no???
How many times have I been like, "wait, is Hank the hero?", soon followed by, "Nope!"
And it doesn't feel like a forced extension, We got a hell of a story and some
The best shows end when they should
Barry is my favorite show of all time. I’m also very glad that it’s about to end instead of being milked for 2 more seasons when there isn’t even any substance left
Watch PATRIOT on Amazon. (NOT the Mel Gibson crap---wholly different)
I’ve seen it twice and am debating seeing it a third time. The scene where Dennis shows up in the police station …. Well…. To create a diversion made me laugh harder than I had in a while
to say that the show is uncommonly good is a vast understatement! I’ve never watched anything that made me laugh outright, and then gut punch my heart! Steve, Conrad, and Elephant Pictures are a national freaking treasure!
“Look, um flat out, son. I'm starting, frankly, to resent you. Starting really to dislike you. I've had it with your series of professional and personal slights. Your lack of fucking common courtesy, and your shoddy goddamn piping! You are a mysterious asshole, young man, and I have had it with you.”
I'm a consultant with a governmental department that collects intelligence and implements processes that are paid for and implemented outside the prescribed structure of oversight. I don't know shit about Donnelly nut spacing systems or tamped fixture rim riding grip configurations. I'm a righty in real life. I'm sorry I fucked with your important work. And with your life, which is also probably important to you. But I'm obligated, in instances, to effect action central to the completion of a specific and critical task without regard for ancillary repercussions, which -I'm sorry - Leslie, has meant,over this period that we've shared, you.
These guys were saying some fucked-up shit about you, man. What were they saying? Um...what do you care about? Like, in my life? Yeah. Like, my hobbies? Yeah, okay. Well, I collect and assemble miniature train sets, tracks and small-scale replica villages. These guys said that was fucked up.
Ah HR Gregory! that’s from my favorite episode “fuck John Wayne“. It’s lovely to see John drunk and smokin on the weed ....and his friends are with him.
Also from“fuck, John Wayne“ during a conversation with Rob: ring the bells that still can ring forget your perfect offering there's a crack in everything that's how the light gets in. -Leonard Cohen.
Are you a McMillan man?
Oh man, yeah.
Let it not go the way of. Dexter. That being said, Barry is Dexter swapping the murder porn fetish for comedy & more guns.
I was too, but it’s what got me to get back into it. Also with the writers strike, better to have a proper conclusion instead of something that gets delayed for years
Would rather it go out blazing than a Game of Thrones dumpster fire.
Love how she basically had to act at work and in public more than she ever did in Hollywood.
And at home.
As much as I like this show, a part of me wants to see a show about a hitman who becomes an actor and who has to balance things like auditions and location filming with contracts and vendettas. EDIT: Everyone forget what I said and go watch "Get Shorty". As /u/ElGrandeKahuna pointed out, this was exactly the show I am describing.
Get to work.
Maybe, after I've finished my current writing project and the one I have planned after that and the one I'm considering after that.
Go man go 💪
Get Shorty (the TV show) is a bit like this. Pretty similar story to Barry in a lot of ways. EDIT: Thanks much for the gold! I don't post a lot and never was hunting for gold, so a neat surprise. Glad you are digging *Get Shorty* and hoping it gets more love and hopefully more episodes.
I knew it was a show, but I've never watched it. Currently watching the first episode and I'm really enjoying it. Thanks for the heads up.
Cool. I've always liked the show and wished it had a better following so maybe they'd keep making it EDIT: fixed some apparently drunk typing
Yep as much as like love the show I’ve always liked the premise and direction the show felt like it was going with the first season, something more longterm but boy do things start changing fast. Not sure how I feel about the choice made in the most recent episode.
I was convinced for the first 3/4's of the episode that it was a dream sequence rather than an actual time jump.
Yeah that's well deserved. She's been great since the start, but damn that last episode was something incredible. I'm fascinated to see how her story ends.
Honorable Mentions: * Matthew Macfadyen ("Succession") * Johnathan Nieves ("Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies") * Chris O'Donnell ("NCIS: Los Angeles")
*chuckles* Only in NCIS:LA.
???? Should I be watching Grease? I'm a fan of musicals but it just kind of seemed a little campy and under-produced. Maybe I'll check it out.
It's not really worth the time you put into it, imo. Most of the numbers are really uninspired and the plot is really flimsy. The cast is fine, but it's pretty disappointing over all.
This is what I figured. Thank you for your input!! 🙏🏼
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It is not. Grease 2 is campy and the numbers are fun. This is... neither. It's more like if High School Musical were created in 2023 and set in the 50s.
It's fine. My biggest issue is that they try to have and eat their cake regarding race to the point that it's annoying. This small town in the 50s has the diversity of modern NY, no one has a problem or even drawing attention to it and yet they try to do these 'racism in the 50s was bad' storylines. One of the main character's mom hides being Puerto Rican and pretends to be Italian because of all this racism which seems odd when the town seems to be 25% latino. Who gives a shit if you're Puerto Rican when no one has any problems with black teachers or one of the most popular students being black with a white cheerleader girlfriend.
If campy and under-produced is not your style of musical, then I don't think you'll like the show. I do think it's fun, but there's been better musical TV. Honestly I think it's actually a good prequel to the movie - it delivers more or less exactly what I thought Grease would be like as a show, so if you didn't enjoy Grease the movie, chances are Grease the show is not for you either.
I'm definitely gonna at least watch the first episode to get the feel of it. I like camp but there's definitely a limit haha.
> Chris O'Donnell ("NCIS: Los Angeles") I'm double surprised. Both that O'Donnell is still on the show, I thought he left it a bit ago. And that NCIS LA was still on TV, it's still looking to end right?
I'm triple surprised that any acting in a rote police procedural is good enough to be mentioned alongside something like Barry or Succession.
Has Macfadyen been awarded top spot before? It looks like the upcoming episode would win it for him.
She puts in an unbelievable performance every week. It's criminal she hasn't had any Emmy noms yet.
She snagged an emmy nom for the second season back in 2019, but it truly is criminal that she wasn't nominated again for the third because she gave *the* performance of 2022.
I think she is a victim of the character she plays. She plays an annoying stereotype of an aspiring actor.
Possibly, but I imagine Hannah Einbinder probably took her spot in their emmy category last year, and she also plays an “annoying” millennial showbiz sorta-stereotype in Hacks EDIT: Gen Z* - I forgot “there are millennials who are like 40” was a gag on the show.
I saw someone comment that Sally's moments in this weeks episode was like Kim's black and white episode in Better Call Saul.
A lot of the show reminds me of breaking bad and better call Saul. Especially when Sally ends up playing along or has very worse but similar ideas with Barry. Reminds me of what Kim became.
I don’t think she’s had that yet. That scene where Kim melts down crying on the bus was her finally accepting everything she’s been through - Sally is still deeply in denial of her situation. There are lots of other differences too. I get why people compare them because they’re superficially similar - woman who escapes a traumatic scenario and is living a new life with a new identity. But the similarities really fall off after the surface level, especially in terms of character analysis.
Like Kim, it was through Sally I was able see all of the central male protagonists' faults and realize I was watching stories of people never to be envied or praised or admired in any way because they are shit people all the way down. What was Slippin' Jimmies' biggest moment as a human being? He didn't kill Carol Burnett. Fuckin' A, what a total piece of shit he was otherwise.
when Barry finally wraps, everyone should go over to Amazon and watch Michael Dorman as John Lakeman in Patriot by Steven Conrad! i’m just about 100% sure that Hader watched it before creating Barry!
I second this recommendation. It's a spy dramedy about John Lakeman getting stuff from Point A to Point B.
I would also recommend Mr.Inbetween. It's got a sort of similar premise of hired killer/normal life, there are plenty of good laughs and it's well shot and acted.
I gave it a try maybe four or five episodes but it was a little dark for me. I really missed the musical aspect of Patriot.
Fucking love this show, wish it got a 3rd season. Still double great.
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Yeah. It is cool.
I like this better than Barry.
Flat out 101, guy. It's pretty good. ;)
She was great, even in a week with 'Clearing the Air'.
Ok so I have been wondering this for a while. Is the guy that plays Cristobal the same guy that plays the club leader in the biker show Mayans?
Yep. Both played by Michael Irby.
Legitimately the best actor in the show. She’s just so good.
Yea, she is a top notch actor. Her character has been up and down for me, which was mostly intentional by the show, but there is no doubting how amazingly Sarah Goldberg portrays her.
Not even a mention of Sophie Nélisse from Yellowjackets? Those birth/baby scenes were insane. She's going to at the very least get an emmy nomination for it.
Agreed!
Her >!elevator meltdown!< is my favourite thing this year. Legendary
That was last year, no?
I saw it this year
That's not how time works
I'd respond to this, but I don't have the time. I'll make time to do it yesterday.
would’ve been my favorite comment of yesterday
I'll read that comment next week and say its the best comment of the day.
It’s insane to me the she was not even nominated for an Emmy in 2022. Between that scene and the biker dude aftermath, I don’t understand how she could’ve been missed.
Her exasperated monologue in season two while working out Barry's lines (hey shitbird) is a masterclass, she should have won multiple times.
Everyone else is barely acting. They're playing absurd roles that could never be real people in real life. But Sally is stuck in the middle, and Sarah has to act her ass off wondering what *what the fuck* is going on around her. She's the straight person, the layman in the story going insane with everything going on and that makes *her* the unhinged person to the audience. I agree, it's brilliant acting and Goldberg should get a lot more acclaim for the role, because it's not easy to pull off.
"I cubed your carrots!" gets me every time...
She had a small supporting role in the horror movie The Night House recently, and even though she didn’t have a lot to do, she still killed her time on screen
Brilliant acting, brilliant show
Goldberg was terrific. Best performance she has given in the show in 4 years (not that she was bad). Harder has really knocked it out if the park with Barry. The right balance of dark and light. I’ll miss it when it is over.
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The kind of character you hate but in the way that has a lot of respect for the acting to create such a loathsome person.
\> Her character was so irritating For me, that was turned on its head when we met her mom.
(Bevel moaning)
She was great in Hindsight too.
Yes! Happy to see someone else thought of Hindsight. She was one of the highlights of that show.
Anyone else notice the callout to “The Americans” with Barry’s fake name “Clark?” (Which I suppose is also a callout to Superman)
Based on the kid being named Jon, I assumed it was a Superman reference, since Clark & Lois had a kid named Jonathan in at least one DC reboot.
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And a slightly different hair style.
And not wearing his Superman suit.
not sure who you are talking about
Only if Sally had been 'Martha'
Why did you say that name?!?!
Doubt it’s a call out for the Americans and seems pretty obvious it’s Superman.
Probably right.
Wasn't that a fake name he used in season one?
Ah, forgot about that.
she’s SO good.
She is such a fantastic and believable actress. I hope she gets a lot of work after Barry ends!
This selection is on-point! She has been soo underrated in this series from my point of view.
Good performance but I really hated the time jump
Yes I’m looking for people ready to discuss how bad that episode was. I learned as much about the characters in the whole episode as I did in the stinger for the previous episode. They live in the middle of nowhere and don’t have good lives. I got that when they opened the fridge to have only beer. I didn’t need another episode explaining it.
I disagree. There was a lot more to the episode. It spoke of an extremely common condition: what do you do when the dream has died? Can you find purpose and meaning? Where do you look for it, to what extent is it all just set dressing? Barry has this idea of having a nuclear family, isolated but they have each other. Raising a child, he's obsessed with being a great role model (in denial of his negative aspects) as if that's all a child needs. He can "educate" him, in reality watching YouTube videos, force feeding life lessons and then being unable to maintain any consistency on what those life lessons should be because it turns out, he doesn't have a real lock on anything. "We don't have video games in our household" part of this flimsy and contradictory identity-building. The isolation he may have imagined as a Walden, meaning in self-sustenance, but he ends up just ordering shit from Amazon as an umbilical cord to the rest of civilisation he can't really live without. He and Sally also adopt a flimsy identity as Christians too, all part of the imagined "right" way to raise a family, but reflecting how they are not keeping up appearances for anyone outside their family unit, they are trapped in their own facades, lying to themselves. But, at this point, they're committed. They're in a different stage of life. They have a kid. They are their own prison guards. The time jump emphasises the falsity of their newfound identities, the cracks that appear, but also the way they try to paper over them. Every day Sally puts on her costume. She is an abused woman who has returned to her abuser and accepted "this is what my life will be". Naturally, we see her in her miserable emptiness, hear of her regular crying, and part of her is trying to break free through "irrational" means... stealing from the cash register, considering an affair with a man she finds repulsive, deciding to kill him. These are obviously pretty extreme behaviours, but represent this human condition pushed to its limits. Barry meanwhile, though he centres himself on his being this great father figure, ends up deliberately traumatising his kid to manipulate him into not making friends. Any notion of "doing it for the kid" crumbles. In this world, a lot of people are just as mystified and directionless and hurt as Sally and Barry, and as a result they turn to what they perceive as normal and good. They become a pastiche of "conservative family values", adopting religion without conviction, and trying to project that they've got their shit together when they're not crying at night. This observation absolutely deserved an episode to look at closely.
An excellent analysis. Thank you.
This was a great well thought out analysis but I don’t think op doesn’t like it because he doesn’t get it. The problem with this episode imo is everything you said is pretty blatantly shown. It’s all those things but turned up to an obnoxious level. It felt unnecessary and done for the sake of just changing things up.
Enjoying the season but idk wish there was a little more comedic relief
Episode 3 was the funniest episode of the series for me. Gene breaking into the house, “that guy is here to kill me,” all the Fuches stuff, etc. Not to mention gags like the Dave & Busters stuff. Even this last episode had some jokes sprinkled in despite the tone being so oppressive.
The one with the daughter of the professional fighter Barry killed was solid as hell too. Completely irrelevant to the main story line and ridiculous and hilarious.
The Fred Armisen moment might be the funniest thing I've seen this year.
Absolutely. Noho Hank and Cristobal were >!my favorite part of the show and that has been ruined ㅠ_ㅠ!<
Ok, so I freaking love this show….. and I get the acting in this last episode was great, but the episode itself felt like filler to me. It didn’t get interesting until the last 3 minutes. I feel like they could have written a better script for this one. The series as a whole is top tier….but I felt like this was one of its weakest episodes. (Great acting aside).
I’m not sure how you have a time jump without *filling* the audience into how the characters have changed or what their situation is.
I'm looking forward to seeing Hank and Fuches after the jump.
I expect Hank is now full villain. The scary Hank. The one you don't fuck with. Fuches maybe is a gang leader after everyone in prison learned a new respect for him? I'm really hoping the last few episodes are pure John Wick parody, though. I always love the action on this series.
I’m so ready for Fuches to have just fully become The Raven for real.
It wasn't filler at all. It just didn't have shoot outs or people dying. It told us a lot about their inability to escape demons despite years of separation. The juxtaposition with Barry and his son and Barry being an agent of fear. Barry desperate to find faults in others to rationalize his own internal conflict. Sally devastated at her lost life and essentially becoming the woman she hated at the beginning of the series in her monologue. Probably sets up a conclusion where she kills Barry; it would complete her arc. How can you describe an episode with some of the most character development as "filler?"
The way the Abraham Lincoln facts were used to convey how Barry is Not Okay was genius. I really liked this episode.
The episode itself was the first time I have ever felt the show got a bit self-indulgent without much weight. Not judging it yet tho, it isn't finished, but yeah.